Cody leaving absolutely set things in motion for a collapse. Think about what was going on in the locker room once Cody Rhodes returned at WrestleMania.
@VisesYT I know what you're saying, and I understand, it's true. When CM Punk was fired, it proved how bad Cody Rhodes was needed in AEW. If Cody were there, I very much believe, that wouldn't have happened at all. Cody would have bridged the two parties and got them to play ball, for business.
AEW won the 2019 battle against NXT because novelty effect, and not being associated with McMahon. The product had some good moments, but NXT Black and gold wasn't worse. In my opinion, it was better than Dynamite.
The stories now are worse, that I agree with. Also, I would argue that AEW wasn't even that good when they started out. Vince contributed with his bad booking that made AEW look more special. It was an illusion. I'm currently watching AEW 2019 on MAX and the stories were better then than now, but the wrestling hasn't changed at all. There are some entertainment moments but the actual wrestling is still the same. AEW has not grown one bit. @@CozyHumanoid
@@TheMattypoo21 The turning point for AEw really started around 2021. Punk came in, Daniel Bryan joined, Adam Cole came over, they put on a very impressive show at All Out and they were starting to feature their key talent in a smart way. For a little while, they were hot. But unfortunately, they made mistake after mistake and they couldn’t sustain their momentum. Their hot streak lasted maybe a year before they fell apart.
Bingo. A couple even claimed they were glad they were losing fans who left because they were not “their fans”. AEW is not a real business. It’s a clubhouse for weirdos.
Yall really think us AEW fans care about Punk and Cody 😭😭 give me an Ospreay, Omega, Okada match instead of a corny pg promo any day, That Cody vs Punk, Wrestlemania match is going to stink 😂
@@Red0bullha don’t bother dude. Busted Open has gotten so bad, most of the Nation has lost the plot. They expect AEW to be like WWE when that is exactly what ruined TNA in the 2010s.
@thaywood979 keep living in denial, dude. No one wants AEW to be WWE. We just want what EVERY GOOD WRESTLING PROMOTION DID. When you're an indie who runs 10 shows a year, you can do just 5-star matches for the whole card and it gets over. THAT DOESNT WORK FOR EPISODIC TV. It's been proven. That's why the only AEW original who came close to true stardom was MJF. Because he had a persona and was unique, before they ruined him by turning him face with Cole.
Swerve/Ricochet, Toni Storm, Hangman, Hurt Syndicate & Darby are Redhot RN, but instead we're stuck watching Dth Riders & The Don Calis Family(Same issue I had when the Bloodline jumped ppl at the end of every show last year)
Attempting to watch AEW is like this.... *music hits. Out comes some indy or NJPW dude that no one cares about... flippy moves, rinse repeat all night.... main event guys are all former WWE guys that are all past their prime... all are there to me money and don't give af about building younger talent. Tony Khan doesn't have a clue how to manage talent or long term storytelling whatsoever. Instead he wants to be everyone's friend and let them do whatever they want.. ie... the Bucks and all their California buddies.
@@VetGoalie76 That's not the problem; Punk, Seth, KO, Xavier, Bryan were all Indy. Only casuals are Anti-Indy, WWE Stole a bunch of Talent, it's what made WWE what it is. The issue is the people who the Audience Love/React to aren't being Featured. MJF, Toni Storm, Swerve, Darby, Hangman wasn't made by WWE, & The crowd loves them. Every promotion has issues, but AEW is unique because they are the only viable option for Wrestlers who don't want to be screwed by WWE
@boycottactivision you did not just try to say hangman and richochet are red hot 😂😂😂 My man, hangman is as hot as a skinny dip in to a lake in December.
@ punk doesn’t have a lot fuel left in the tank, they gotta do it now unless they’re saving this matchup for a summerslam or something (bc of prior booking arrangements) either both of these guys need to main event mania one way or another
@ punk clearly has a lot left 😂😂 he had the match of the year and all his matches have been great . I’m not saying he’s going to be around in like 6 years still going but he’s on a roll right now.
Cody Rhodes and CM Punk were two of not only the top stars in AEW, but they also were helping the younger talent develop and get to the next level. Thats a very important step that is missing in AEW today, Development.
Cody wasn't a top star in AEW , he booked himself into the midcard, he was a main asset backstage though, with him there the booking had the right balance
The sad thing is I truly believe AEW Punk could have been his best run of all time. Moments like the AFI entrance and dog collar match, or his return promos on Collision when it launched... shaved head "Bret Hart/CMFTR" Punk, "Tell Me When Im Tellin Lies", "The King Is Back"... like, if THAT Punk went into a CMFTR vs Elite feud, then maybe his "nWo" comments wouldnt have aged so poorly. The problem is AEW gives everyone the same freedom that Punk _earned_ over 30 years, so they allowed idiots to ruin that run. I've enjoyed Punks recent WWE work, and I'm so glad he gets that closure and will get that HoF ring, but man, AEW really had the best version of CM Punk maybe ever, and chose _The Young Bucks_ over him.
Of all the AEW guys / mainstays / favorites / etc Kenny is the one where you can see flashes of brilliance with. Just hope he could be healthy enough for a WWE run if it every gets to that point for him.
Nah, omega is already so slow because of his style and injuries. He has the tools to be great, but he cannot wrestle like he wanted/used to. Only if the wwe makes him change his style without damaging his image/persona and reduces the amount of /indyrrific/ gimmicks
I remember watching a Cody interview where he said most performers in AEW prefer the "Randy Savage vs Steamboat" style of wrestling while he prefereed 50-50 of both Savage- Steamboat and Hogan- Andre. Cody knows what a perfect mixture is for Wrestling. Aew is stuck in the mindset of Great Matches/ Athletic Showcases = great wrestling show which is not true.
I hope that's not the exact verbiage performers in AEW used, otherwise they also don't understand the psychology and storytelling behind Savage/Steamboat. Quick moving yes, but very thought out and paced excellently. No spamming finishers and the constant 2 counts made sense in that match.
@@stephensandridge3784what that means is that powers that be at AEW focus on good matches over stories that sell tickets. Hogan vs André was the main story of WM3 and was the reason it sold out the Silverdome and made WrestleMania the show in Wrestling.
Bruh, I only found this channel two weeks ago and man am I happy. There are very few people who have the balls to call out people and the truth. They're not worried about offending people or kissing ass thinking people will stop talking to them or they'll stop having access to wrestler's/events and f*ck it’s so refreshing. The only other people I've seen do that is Bischoff, Cornette, and Conan's podcast but even those guys don't always have the guts to call out WWE. You guys do especially AEW's absolute shit show every week. It’s just different and refreshing as hell. Gonna be a fan as long you keep doing it. Respect! 👊💯
Ummm... I've listened to this show for a few years now, and I enjoy it. But there is an element of WWE ass kissing on this show. IMO it really started prior to WM last year.
Tiny Con watching that main event would scream like a spoiled child as his top selling AEW action figures were given away to a caring and desirable owner😛
The worst thing to ever happen to AEW is Vince McMahon "retiring" the first time (July 2022) after months of Sexual Misconduct allegations. Cody Rhodes leaving and then CM Punk getting fired put the nail in the coffin. Until Tony Khan hires a person who can manage personalities and/or creative... AEW will never regain that 1999-2021 momentum
😂 I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn’t give a shit about a coach. But as a fan, it would bother me more seeing the ex-QB or the ex-running back of my team making it to the Super Bowl while my team was done for the season. That’s salt in the wound. Lol
How is it being an asshole calling a spade a spade? Punk and Cody being in WWE should make Tony feel like he should which is like he dropped the ball and continually dropping it. Penta is another.
The funny thing about Dave's analogy is that Andy Reid did actually coach the Eagles back in the day. Granted I think Dave meant it in a short term sort of way, like if last year Andy Deid coached the eagles and then just this year went over to the chiefs. But its still pretty funny when you think about it.
wouldn't go as far as firing , just suspension and fined and that future behaviour wouldn't be tolerated, sure he should of squashed the beef, told them they're fighting over pointless bs and move on, instead he relied on a stupid disciplinary commit to suspend or fire their top guys which was a complete overreaction
@ nah. You think in the 90s vince would let Jeff Jarrett do some bs like that to Austin and keep him? The Mountie to HBK in the mid 90s? Hangman should’ve been gone. You don’t have some clown jeopardize a PPV with the top star in the company and the only one who is a net positive ratings wise.
@ Cm Punk did the same thing at the all out press scrum and didn't get fired, started talking about Colt Cabana's bank account with his mother, nobody was even talking about or even remembered what Hangman said other than CM Punk who held a grudge for 3 months , his bs at the scrum overshadowed the whole PPV including MJF's big return to the point no one was talking about that but the bucks and Punk fight at All Out, Tony Khan sat there like Punk's son who's scared of his dad, he could of stopped it
@ I don't know who they are I'm not from US but firing someone after you did a one and half build to him winning the title from Omega and then firing him is stupid, all that time you invested in him would have been pointless
yep; growing u p watching wrestling and booking matches as opposed to actually having experience in the business, understanding the psychology, etc is a huge difference and Tony refuses to understand that and no one around him has the guts to tell him
I think that Cody leaving AEW. Is where AEW started going downhill. And then when CM Punk left AEW after the backstage situation with Jack Perry, The Young Bucks, and Kenny Omega. That was when a majority of us wrestling fan's started to stop watching AEW. But the primary thing's that are hurting AEW and it's future. Is Tony Khan, bad creative decisions, and the way he handles the wrestler's. Tony Khan treat's AEW like his own personal fantasy sports league. Instead of a wrestling company.
That last time from Bully about Kenny gave me chills. I badly want to see him in WWE, I know it might never happen but with HHH at the top I wanna see how Kenny gets booked. Also I wanna see the current WWE superstars have one last go with Daniel Bryan!
I've been super excited for the possibility of Punk vs Cody since their promo last year. But it seemed like a dream match at the time since Cody was obviously going to feud with Roman at Mania. A year later here we are again. However, this time the feud not only feels probable, but it might just happen.
I think maybe the best way to say it for me is... Tony Khan is learning the same hard lessons that are costing him tens of millions of dollars or more in business having leapfrogged the ladder and starting at the top that the guys that run small indie feds learn with talent that walk out on them or get fired and wind up costing them a couple dozen ticket sales for a few weeks' worth of shows. These are lessons in management that he should've been learning at a much smaller scale. If he had started with a small indie promotion, or even with Ring of Honor, and got that experience first learning those tough lessons through making mistakes on a much smaller scale, you wouldn't be seeing as many high-profile mistakes as you are now in a much larger scale with a much bigger promotion.
I think AEW fell to pieces the moment that CM Punk left. The bullshit surrounding his departure added to it. Then to prove on their own tv that Punk told the truth about the situation further added to their failure. The bookings have sucked. The best thing they have done is the retirement of Sting. They try to get a push from Edge coming over to AEW and having the Christian v Edge angle. I was really interested in the angle between the two but it fell to shit as well and once that ended I have not watched another episode of either show AEW produces.
Bully is right about tweet vs saying it on air. Tweet you can't tell context or emotion, saying it on the air you can tell Bully (and Dave) are more sympathetic about it. I'm at a point where I only watch AEW cause I support and enjoy some of the talent in their wrestling matches vs their storylines.
It’s a shame. AEW had so much potential 4 years ago; they STILL do. Imagine an AEW where their roster right now would be featuring CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Edge, MJF, Sasha Banks, Jon Moxley, etc. But Tony Khan refuses to learn or use the staff he has to their full potential. And because of this, he is blowing the one chance to create a real No.2 company.
Certain people predicted it the moment Punk got fired from AEW, maybe even before when things were going south and he was injured/suspended. Biggest match in AEW history. Rhodes vs Punk at Wrestlemania.
There’s an insane alternate timeline for NY Giants fans where the Minnesota Vikings QB room got hollowed out by injuries and they had to put the ball in Daniel Jones’s hands, and then Giants fans would have seen an NFC Championship between their disgraced former QB and their beloved former RB. That’s a kinda similar hypothetical situation.
The last time Cody Rhodes was remotely interesting was when he was teasing heel in aew. There is another timeline out there where Cody is a heel world champion in AEW and its a billion times better then anything cody ever did in wwe
There’s like 130 wrestlers, at least, on AEW’s roster who would never even get looked at by WWE. Just saying, most of the AEW roster has risen as far as they’re ever going to rise, and not even NXT will ever be an option for them unless it’s as local enhancement talent. Even that would be asking too much of quite a few.
Got to love when Busted Open is a source of deep truths about our current wrestling situation- it’s hard to watch AEW drop the ball on several key things when it comes to giving talent what they need in a wrestling company. We’re starting to talk about this enough that I think AEW needs to find their own ‘Triple H’ (anyone who mastered wrestling management going into the future) to replace Tony Khan to have the same effect.
It all comes back to when Punk said they're just not in the same business as he is. They're not about selling out venues. They care about highlight reels and moments. Nothing wrong with that. No way they'll ever actually compete with the WWE. They are the alternative. Thats exactly what we want. They shouldn't even be compared at this point. That is why they are where they are. We've tried to compare the two. Its not like when WCW was battling WWE. This is situation is two different businesses
The problem is that highlight reels and star ratings don’t make money. That’s evidenced by the ratings. AEW is the Dave Meltzer theory of wrestling put int real world application, and the numbers now show that it doesn’t work. It’s unsustainable and once they hit bottom, even Tony’s wallet won’t be able to save them.
Bully Ray can’t be more right. AEW’s direction immediately went south when Cody left and then got an adrenaline shot as soon as Punk came in. But when he finally left it quickly went south again. Clearly Cody and Punk were the adults behind the scenes keeping that daycare afloat.
Couldn't not think it, immediately thought, you had them, but inexperience and refusal to be a boss caused them to lose their their biggest star and one of the reasons company ever started.
When the fans were Booing Cody, they wanted him Heel so bad too ultimately build Punk vs Cody...which would've Been probably the biggest Money feud match Aew ever had!
I agree w both of u guys... Without the 1st couple of mins of Cody and Punk actually standing in the ring, I thought that both them superstars use to b in AEW! 😬😂
TK is just a nerd though look at his behavior in those behind the scenes clips its brutal cringe, he doesnt act like a boss he acts like the special needs kid in the front row
I haven't been too excited about Cody during his championship run, but that promo made the match for me. CM Punk would be perfect to elevate Cody. Tony Khan is too nice and wants to be friends with everyone. It's made it hard for him to make the right decisions. Until he actually leads, AEW will keep missing out on opportunities. The fact that he didn't capitalize on CM Punk vs The Elite, in the ring, is one of the biggest ball drops in wrestling.
Bully and Dave are absolutely correct. I have always said that the dumbest thing that Tony ever did was letting punk go. The thing is, I don’t think that he understands or I don’t think that he cares, that he could have had this happen in his company because, he clearly does not care about attendance or ratings because he has enough money and a guaranteed television deal that he can do whatever he wants. The opinion of the public literally does not matter to this man, which is why he brings in people that the American public does not care about, And why, as Stephanie McMahon said earlier this week, having a match even a great match without a story, is pointless and she’s right. You have to care and Tony doesn’t do enough to make anyone care and what we saw on Monday night, made everyone care.
No they won’t and that is on them. But given your name, do you REALLY care about her? Or is it just another tribalistic arrow you think you can shoot across your bow?
Let me put this here: If everything turns the right way, Punk and Rhodes can have a rivalry similar to Rock and Austin. They are both over with the crowds.
Man these guys are true masters of the wrestling game! And as a fan they are also so right everyone that seen Cody and Punk in that WWE ring I said the same thing! Cody was the first domino then Punk and since AEW has suffers since!
I don't know why we keep thinking so deep about all this, and why we are so worried about saying the truth. TK don't know what he's doing, and for some unknown reason, the veterans at AEW are not saying no to the crap and stuff that don't make sense. Vince did know what he was doing most of the time, and iv got to think that bad ideas, booking that didn't make sense and bad in-ring habits got called out most of the time too. I am no expert of course lol, but it seems quite logical does it not? I'm also not saying WWE are perfect because they really aint, but its night and day.
Vince definitely know better what he's doing but he overstayed his welcome for over a decade especially during 2018- early 2022 where WWE was an unwatchable mess
I got the sense in the beginning of AEW that Cody was holding Tony's hand. I guess Tony wanted to be a big boy and do it all by himself. Turns out, Tony isn't a big boy.
There was a moment when Vince was still ruining the week to week storytelling in the WWE and AEW had nothing but opportunity and the talent to seize the moment... and they were so good... Then it all fell apart... If you cant figure out how to work with CM punk and Cody Rhodes, you have no business running a wrestling promotion... WWE got every penny out of Punk even while he was injured. Punk vs Drew was must watch TV from start to finish... all over a 25 cent bracelet Cody has been the white meat babyface we didnt know we needed... He sells like Ricky Morton and has comebacks as good as Dusty... he was already a polished performer with his own brand, log and theme music when he walked back in the doors of the WWE... And TK let these guys go to make twinkle toes and the kookamunga kids happy HHH has built a team of creative minds that just cant be stopped, AEW will never get close... they will be a farm league system for the WWE to get new talent or to send old talent on the way out of the business for one more payday.
You can add, they know how to push the new talent, like Penta, Stephanie Vaquer and Giulia and now see how AEW handled Edge, Jay White and Kazuchika Okada. And think, how WWE would sell, Okada and Jay White. 😅 16:43 You can add, Jacob Fatu aswell. Now think, how AEW would sell you, Solo Sikoa or Jacob Fatu?!
I can't belive I even thought aew would turn out to be actual competition to wwe. Then agian , I do belive VM drove his product into the ground , in order to sell , so who ever bought the E , and would make minor changes , would see huge dratistic success (percived)
There totally correct but you have to rememeber there both original wwe people . Also I think it’s important to intervene and say also that all of aew top stars must be watching and seeing how well punk Cody and penta have all been treated since there trade to the rival company and seeing they haven’t been squashed at all
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One could argue AEW started to fall apart the moment Cody left for the WWE.
you could but they truly fell apart when punk got fired
Cody leaving absolutely set things in motion for a collapse. Think about what was going on in the locker room once Cody Rhodes returned at WrestleMania.
AEW was never it to begin with. From day one it was a cringe clown show
@@thewrestlingoldhead i know that set the tone but shit hit the fan when all the punk stuff happened
@VisesYT I know what you're saying, and I understand, it's true. When CM Punk was fired, it proved how bad Cody Rhodes was needed in AEW. If Cody were there, I very much believe, that wouldn't have happened at all. Cody would have bridged the two parties and got them to play ball, for business.
When cody left
Everything started to crack
When punk left
Everything was exposed
Facts 😊
When Toni, Mariah, and (maybe) Mercedes leave
Everything will be dead
@@johndrake2729Add Swerve to the list. IMO, those four are the only good things on AEW tv these days. Without them, I would have zero reason to watch.
@@Jeff_Pryce Indeed.
Facts
This is what happens when you put the Bucks and Jack Perry over your Real Stars
EXACTLY!
The Bucks, whose act grew stale 5 years ago, and Jack Perry, whose father was a bigger star than he is.
Bingo
Perry/Bucks have never been booked past the midcard and Cody/Punk had more power than them. Be honest.
💯💯💯
Most AEW fans dont know one of the reasons that 2019-2021 AEW was good because Cody was there backstage with a headphone helping book the show.
AEW won the 2019 battle against NXT because novelty effect, and not being associated with McMahon. The product had some good moments, but NXT Black and gold wasn't worse. In my opinion, it was better than Dynamite.
@@VincentFajal That's one part but I did watch those era and their storylines are so much cooler than what they are doing right now.
The stories now are worse, that I agree with. Also, I would argue that AEW wasn't even that good when they started out. Vince contributed with his bad booking that made AEW look more special. It was an illusion. I'm currently watching AEW 2019 on MAX and the stories were better then than now, but the wrestling hasn't changed at all. There are some entertainment moments but the actual wrestling is still the same. AEW has not grown one bit. @@CozyHumanoid
@@TheMattypoo21 Agreed. Im actually rewatching 2019 Dynamite Im in Episode 10 the wrestling was fun even in the lower midcards.
@@TheMattypoo21 The turning point for AEw really started around 2021. Punk came in, Daniel Bryan joined, Adam Cole came over, they put on a very impressive show at All Out and they were starting to feature their key talent in a smart way. For a little while, they were hot. But unfortunately, they made mistake after mistake and they couldn’t sustain their momentum. Their hot streak lasted maybe a year before they fell apart.
The fact that AEW fans were booing Punk and Cody at the end deepens my opinion they deserve the AEW they have now.
Bingo. A couple even claimed they were glad they were losing fans who left because they were not “their fans”. AEW is not a real business. It’s a clubhouse for weirdos.
@@Jeff_Prycebeen saying this for a long time
Yall really think us AEW fans care about Punk and Cody 😭😭 give me an Ospreay, Omega, Okada match instead of a corny pg promo any day, That Cody vs Punk, Wrestlemania match is going to stink 😂
@@Red0bullha don’t bother dude. Busted Open has gotten so bad, most of the Nation has lost the plot. They expect AEW to be like WWE when that is exactly what ruined TNA in the 2010s.
@thaywood979 keep living in denial, dude. No one wants AEW to be WWE. We just want what EVERY GOOD WRESTLING PROMOTION DID.
When you're an indie who runs 10 shows a year, you can do just 5-star matches for the whole card and it gets over. THAT DOESNT WORK FOR EPISODIC TV. It's been proven. That's why the only AEW original who came close to true stardom was MJF. Because he had a persona and was unique, before they ruined him by turning him face with Cole.
“The biggest Main Event that AEW could have is Cody Rhodes vs CM Punk. And it’s going to happen in WWE”
Disagree
Give me Punk vs Omega and Cody vs Ospreay
@@MaxwellBort311😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@MaxwellBort311 😂😂😂What TF that's your idea of money making feud 😅😅😅
nobody thought Cody was gonna get over the way he did when he went to WWE
@@MaxwellBort311those mid carders are not even near the level of Punk and Cody
Tony obviously doesn't understand what a Main Event Scene is.
Swerve/Ricochet, Toni Storm, Hangman, Hurt Syndicate & Darby are Redhot RN, but instead we're stuck watching Dth Riders & The Don Calis Family(Same issue I had when the Bloodline jumped ppl at the end of every show last year)
Attempting to watch AEW is like this.... *music hits. Out comes some indy or NJPW dude that no one cares about... flippy moves, rinse repeat all night.... main event guys are all former WWE guys that are all past their prime... all are there to me money and don't give af about building younger talent. Tony Khan doesn't have a clue how to manage talent or long term storytelling whatsoever. Instead he wants to be everyone's friend and let them do whatever they want.. ie... the Bucks and all their California buddies.
@@VetGoalie76 That's not the problem; Punk, Seth, KO, Xavier, Bryan were all Indy. Only casuals are Anti-Indy, WWE Stole a bunch of Talent, it's what made WWE what it is. The issue is the people who the Audience Love/React to aren't being Featured. MJF, Toni Storm, Swerve, Darby, Hangman wasn't made by WWE, & The crowd loves them.
Every promotion has issues, but AEW is unique because they are the only viable option for Wrestlers who don't want to be screwed by WWE
Tony Khan is like Bizarro Vince McMahon.😂
@boycottactivision you did not just try to say hangman and richochet are red hot 😂😂😂
My man, hangman is as hot as a skinny dip in to a lake in December.
punk vs rhodes just has to happen after that promo
Yeah they’ve sold me to that now man. I’ve always wanted to see it but now I really want to see it .
I have a feeling it will be dragged out until MANIA 42
@ punk doesn’t have a lot fuel left in the tank, they gotta do it now unless they’re saving this matchup for a summerslam or something (bc of prior booking arrangements) either both of these guys need to main event mania one way or another
@ punk clearly has a lot left 😂😂 he had the match of the year and all his matches have been great . I’m not saying he’s going to be around in like 6 years still going but he’s on a roll right now.
CM Punk will just get hurt again that's why they don't make him fight on Raw or Smackdown.
Cody Rhodes and CM Punk were two of not only the top stars in AEW, but they also were helping the younger talent develop and get to the next level. Thats a very important step that is missing in AEW today, Development.
Cody wasn't a top star in AEW , he booked himself into the midcard, he was a main asset backstage though, with him there the booking had the right balance
AEW is sinking ship
AEW bots short circuiting over that title🤣
The sad thing is I truly believe AEW Punk could have been his best run of all time.
Moments like the AFI entrance and dog collar match, or his return promos on Collision when it launched... shaved head "Bret Hart/CMFTR" Punk, "Tell Me When Im Tellin Lies", "The King Is Back"... like, if THAT Punk went into a CMFTR vs Elite feud, then maybe his "nWo" comments wouldnt have aged so poorly.
The problem is AEW gives everyone the same freedom that Punk _earned_ over 30 years, so they allowed idiots to ruin that run.
I've enjoyed Punks recent WWE work, and I'm so glad he gets that closure and will get that HoF ring, but man, AEW really had the best version of CM Punk maybe ever, and chose _The Young Bucks_ over him.
More like THE YOUNG PATHETICS
As much as they all have issues, the money AEW left on the table by not turning Elite v Punk into a storyline actually hurts my head 😢
I want to chill and watch 70-80's wrestling with Punk😊
Completely agree with Bully Ray at the end there. The only way Kenny Omega can truly reach his pinnacle is by working in the WWE.
Of all the AEW guys / mainstays / favorites / etc Kenny is the one where you can see flashes of brilliance with. Just hope he could be healthy enough for a WWE run if it every gets to that point for him.
Nah, omega is already so slow because of his style and injuries.
He has the tools to be great, but he cannot wrestle like he wanted/used to.
Only if the wwe makes him change his style without damaging his image/persona and reduces the amount of /indyrrific/ gimmicks
0:04 Tony khan and dave meltzer would shit a brick, then shit on that match
Tony watching Cody/Punk is like Giants fans watching Saquon in Philly
Typical cowboy fan.
I remember watching a Cody interview where he said most performers in AEW prefer the "Randy Savage vs Steamboat" style of wrestling while he prefereed 50-50 of both Savage- Steamboat and Hogan- Andre. Cody knows what a perfect mixture is for Wrestling. Aew is stuck in the mindset of Great Matches/ Athletic Showcases = great wrestling show which is not true.
I hope that's not the exact verbiage performers in AEW used, otherwise they also don't understand the psychology and storytelling behind Savage/Steamboat. Quick moving yes, but very thought out and paced excellently. No spamming finishers and the constant 2 counts made sense in that match.
@@stephensandridge3784what that means is that powers that be at AEW focus on good matches over stories that sell tickets. Hogan vs André was the main story of WM3 and was the reason it sold out the Silverdome and made WrestleMania the show in Wrestling.
Choreographed gymnastics with highschoolers
It would be great with the former if they sold moves better and made finishers actual finishers.
His match vs Dustin stole the show double or nothing 2019. They had the story and we remember the moments. It’s not about the star ratings
This rumble is stacked this is so exciting, I can’t wait to see Royal rumble suprise entry’s
I remember Cody teasing that match right before he left AEW and I was thinking "All Out 2022 main event." Now I'm thinking Mania main event.
Bully would be amazing working with hbk on he nxt crew
i totally agree.
Bruh, I only found this channel two weeks ago and man am I happy. There are very few people who have the balls to call out people and the truth. They're not worried about offending people or kissing ass thinking people will stop talking to them or they'll stop having access to wrestler's/events and f*ck it’s so refreshing.
The only other people I've seen do that is Bischoff, Cornette, and Conan's podcast but even those guys don't always have the guts to call out WWE.
You guys do especially AEW's absolute shit show every week. It’s just different and refreshing as hell. Gonna be a fan as long you keep doing it. Respect! 👊💯
Ummm... I've listened to this show for a few years now, and I enjoy it. But there is an element of WWE ass kissing on this show. IMO it really started prior to WM last year.
Bully is the best one out of all of them. Facts not feelings
Tiny Con watching that main event would scream like a spoiled child as his top selling AEW action figures were given away to a caring and desirable owner😛
The worst thing to ever happen to AEW is Vince McMahon "retiring" the first time (July 2022) after months of Sexual Misconduct allegations.
Cody Rhodes leaving and then CM Punk getting fired put the nail in the coffin.
Until Tony Khan hires a person who can manage personalities and/or creative... AEW will never regain that 1999-2021 momentum
Dave made the Super Bowl analogy harder than it needed to be 🤣Just say 2 star players you had on the team at the same time
😂 I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn’t give a shit about a coach. But as a fan, it would bother me more seeing the ex-QB or the ex-running back of my team making it to the Super Bowl while my team was done for the season. That’s salt in the wound. Lol
Cowboy fan. Just saying!
How is it being an asshole calling a spade a spade? Punk and Cody being in WWE should make Tony feel like he should which is like he dropped the ball and continually dropping it. Penta is another.
The funny thing about Dave's analogy is that Andy Reid did actually coach the Eagles back in the day. Granted I think Dave meant it in a short term sort of way, like if last year Andy Deid coached the eagles and then just this year went over to the chiefs. But its still pretty funny when you think about it.
He likes Cowboys and Cody. Crybaby. If Bully routing Chiefs then fraud too!
If Tony was a real wrestling mind and not a fan he would’ve known to keep Cody and then fire hangman and get the bucks and punk in a room.
wouldn't go as far as firing , just suspension and fined and that future behaviour wouldn't be tolerated, sure he should of squashed the beef, told them they're fighting over pointless bs and move on, instead he relied on a stupid disciplinary commit to suspend or fire their top guys which was a complete overreaction
@ nah. You think in the 90s vince would let Jeff Jarrett do some bs like that to Austin and keep him? The Mountie to HBK in the mid 90s? Hangman should’ve been gone. You don’t have some clown jeopardize a PPV with the top star in the company and the only one who is a net positive ratings wise.
@ Cm Punk did the same thing at the all out press scrum and didn't get fired, started talking about Colt Cabana's bank account with his mother, nobody was even talking about or even remembered what Hangman said other than CM Punk who held a grudge for 3 months , his bs at the scrum overshadowed the whole PPV including MJF's big return to the point no one was talking about that but the bucks and Punk fight at All Out, Tony Khan sat there like Punk's son who's scared of his dad, he could of stopped it
@@azizrampage do you treat Patrick Mahomes the same way you treat a practice squad player?
@ I don't know who they are I'm not from US but firing someone after you did a one and half build to him winning the title from Omega and then firing him is stupid, all that time you invested in him would have been pointless
Bubba say forealzzzzzz 😂😂😂😂 @1:24
yep; growing u p watching wrestling and booking matches as opposed to actually having experience in the business, understanding the psychology, etc is a huge difference and Tony refuses to understand that and no one around him has the guts to tell him
Bill Bilichick coached the Browns in the 90’s. The Browns moved to win a Super Bowl as the Ravens. Bill wins multiple titles with the Patriots
This has become my favorite wrestling podcast.
I think that Cody leaving AEW. Is where AEW started going downhill. And then when CM Punk left AEW after the backstage situation with Jack Perry, The Young Bucks, and Kenny Omega. That was when a majority of us wrestling fan's started to stop watching AEW. But the primary thing's that are hurting AEW and it's future. Is Tony Khan, bad creative decisions, and the way he handles the wrestler's. Tony Khan treat's AEW like his own personal fantasy sports league. Instead of a wrestling company.
Tony Kahn in a nutshell is the night he was tearing up because Samoa Joe didn't hug him at the presser. I knew it was downhill he's wanting buddies.
That last time from Bully about Kenny gave me chills. I badly want to see him in WWE, I know it might never happen but with HHH at the top I wanna see how Kenny gets booked.
Also I wanna see the current WWE superstars have one last go with Daniel Bryan!
Kenny might have to convince NJPW to work with WWE cause I don't see Kenny wanting to leave NJPW for longer periods of time than he does for AEW.
R.I.P. AEW
I've been super excited for the possibility of Punk vs Cody since their promo last year.
But it seemed like a dream match at the time since Cody was obviously going to feud with Roman at Mania.
A year later here we are again. However, this time the feud not only feels probable, but it might just happen.
I think maybe the best way to say it for me is... Tony Khan is learning the same hard lessons that are costing him tens of millions of dollars or more in business having leapfrogged the ladder and starting at the top that the guys that run small indie feds learn with talent that walk out on them or get fired and wind up costing them a couple dozen ticket sales for a few weeks' worth of shows.
These are lessons in management that he should've been learning at a much smaller scale. If he had started with a small indie promotion, or even with Ring of Honor, and got that experience first learning those tough lessons through making mistakes on a much smaller scale, you wouldn't be seeing as many high-profile mistakes as you are now in a much larger scale with a much bigger promotion.
AEW is like NY GIANTS. They let go Barkley AND Cody & Punk for AEW. The Eagles are now WWE. GIANTS ARE DEAD
I think AEW fell to pieces the moment that CM Punk left. The bullshit surrounding his departure added to it. Then to prove on their own tv that Punk told the truth about the situation further added to their failure. The bookings have sucked. The best thing they have done is the retirement of Sting. They try to get a push from Edge coming over to AEW and having the Christian v Edge angle. I was really interested in the angle between the two but it fell to shit as well and once that ended I have not watched another episode of either show AEW produces.
lol Paul Qoute “ Lagreca get the Lables” I’m dying over here😂 .
Dave's Super Bowl coaches analogy is spot on. Great comparison.
Bully is right about tweet vs saying it on air. Tweet you can't tell context or emotion, saying it on the air you can tell Bully (and Dave) are more sympathetic about it. I'm at a point where I only watch AEW cause I support and enjoy some of the talent in their wrestling matches vs their storylines.
It’s a shame. AEW had so much potential 4 years ago; they STILL do.
Imagine an AEW where their roster right now would be featuring CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Edge, MJF, Sasha Banks, Jon Moxley, etc.
But Tony Khan refuses to learn or use the staff he has to their full potential. And because of this, he is blowing the one chance to create a real No.2 company.
Certain people predicted it the moment Punk got fired from AEW, maybe even before when things were going south and he was injured/suspended.
Biggest match in AEW history. Rhodes vs Punk at Wrestlemania.
Yup, Jim Cornette said that ages ago.
There’s an insane alternate timeline for NY Giants fans where the Minnesota Vikings QB room got hollowed out by injuries and they had to put the ball in Daniel Jones’s hands, and then Giants fans would have seen an NFC Championship between their disgraced former QB and their beloved former RB. That’s a kinda similar hypothetical situation.
Good one. Barkley though... Eagles win by 1. NY looses after loosing again.
Yes, Bubba! Yes! As soon as you started setting the opinion up, I shouted Kenny Omega. Yes, yes, me too.
At this point Tony should just hire Bully
The last time Cody Rhodes was remotely interesting was when he was teasing heel in aew. There is another timeline out there where Cody is a heel world champion in AEW and its a billion times better then anything cody ever did in wwe
Are u a bot? 😂
Aew fans allowed this to happen. They turned on Cody, they support flippy guys over Punk. Now they paying for it.
Cowboy fan. Ughhhhh. Typical Cody crybaby frontrunner. Dave is betting Chiefs. Booooo
300 days as a champion in the most bored reign. Really works 😂😂😂😂
You say that when aew have the worst champion with worst storyline ever😆🤡🤡🤡🖕🏻
Speak for yourself.
Kenny Omega and MJF were definitely watching, and rethinking their futures at AEW
Putting the Young Bucks ahead of Cody and Punk, you knew that the ship was bound to sink
I think everybody is better off in WWE than AEW 😅😅
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Ask Toni Storm and Swerve...
@@blaxen7 Those 2 are miles below Cody and Punk's jump. Good for them for finding their footing on AEW tho.
@@blaxen7them too dude! Get over it.
There’s like 130 wrestlers, at least, on AEW’s roster who would never even get looked at by WWE. Just saying, most of the AEW roster has risen as far as they’re ever going to rise, and not even NXT will ever be an option for them unless it’s as local enhancement talent. Even that would be asking too much of quite a few.
Got to love when Busted Open is a source of deep truths about our current wrestling situation- it’s hard to watch AEW drop the ball on several key things when it comes to giving talent what they need in a wrestling company. We’re starting to talk about this enough that I think AEW needs to find their own ‘Triple H’ (anyone who mastered wrestling management going into the future) to replace Tony Khan to have the same effect.
It all comes back to when Punk said they're just not in the same business as he is. They're not about selling out venues. They care about highlight reels and moments. Nothing wrong with that. No way they'll ever actually compete with the WWE. They are the alternative. Thats exactly what we want. They shouldn't even be compared at this point. That is why they are where they are. We've tried to compare the two. Its not like when WCW was battling WWE. This is situation is two different businesses
The problem is that highlight reels and star ratings don’t make money. That’s evidenced by the ratings. AEW is the Dave Meltzer theory of wrestling put int real world application, and the numbers now show that it doesn’t work. It’s unsustainable and once they hit bottom, even Tony’s wallet won’t be able to save them.
Bully Ray can’t be more right. AEW’s direction immediately went south when Cody left and then got an adrenaline shot as soon as Punk came in. But when he finally left it quickly went south again. Clearly Cody and Punk were the adults behind the scenes keeping that daycare afloat.
Couldn't not think it, immediately thought, you had them, but inexperience and refusal to be a boss caused them to lose their their biggest star and one of the reasons company ever started.
Bubba is dead on, and those comments about Omega, rang so true!
Two ex-aew stars probably both main eventing Wrestlemania.
They were WWE originals first
Same thing dude
AEW's daddy, and its daddy's best friend main eventing WM41 is brutality.
Does Thunder Rosa catch any flak from TK/AEW for being on Busted Open since you guys have started to appear at NXT ?
When the fans were Booing Cody, they wanted him Heel so bad too ultimately build
Punk vs Cody...which would've
Been probably the biggest Money feud match Aew ever had!
Bully was preaching to the sermon here. Ultimately, his takes on TK, Cody, Punk, and Kenny are unequivocal.
1:54 Kellen Moore was the OC for the cowboys now the OC for my Birds 😂🦅
Frontrunner. Typical cowboy fan
I can already hear Dave-o uhm-ing ready to give this match somewhere between -7 to 2 stars.
I agree w both of u guys... Without the 1st couple of mins of Cody and Punk actually standing in the ring, I thought that both them superstars use to b in AEW! 😬😂
TK is just a nerd though look at his behavior in those behind the scenes clips its brutal cringe, he doesnt act like a boss he acts like the special needs kid in the front row
😂 Best comment yet!
I haven't been too excited about Cody during his championship run, but that promo made the match for me. CM Punk would be perfect to elevate Cody.
Tony Khan is too nice and wants to be friends with everyone. It's made it hard for him to make the right decisions. Until he actually leads, AEW will keep missing out on opportunities. The fact that he didn't capitalize on CM Punk vs The Elite, in the ring, is one of the biggest ball drops in wrestling.
Bully and Dave are absolutely correct. I have always said that the dumbest thing that Tony ever did was letting punk go. The thing is, I don’t think that he understands or I don’t think that he cares, that he could have had this happen in his company because, he clearly does not care about attendance or ratings because he has enough money and a guaranteed television deal that he can do whatever he wants. The opinion of the public literally does not matter to this man, which is why he brings in people that the American public does not care about, And why, as Stephanie McMahon said earlier this week, having a match even a great match without a story, is pointless and she’s right. You have to care and Tony doesn’t do enough to make anyone care and what we saw on Monday night, made everyone care.
WM41 is a wrestlemania we can't 100% predict . Hasn't been like this in a long long time
These hacks will never talk about Janel Grant.
No they won’t and that is on them. But given your name, do you REALLY care about her? Or is it just another tribalistic arrow you think you can shoot across your bow?
@nadiahassan5307 you're pathetic.
@@allelitechannel5367Avoiding the question! So the second huh?
1 Punk, 2 Roman, 3 Cody in terms of popularity, and the top 2 are far ahead of everyone else.
Let me put this here: If everything turns the right way, Punk and Rhodes can have a rivalry similar to Rock and Austin. They are both over with the crowds.
Tony is a unprofessional guy but triple H is
Vince was in the business of making money. Tony is in the business of making his friends happy.
Man these guys are true masters of the wrestling game! And as a fan they are also so right everyone that seen Cody and Punk in that WWE ring I said the same thing! Cody was the first domino then Punk and since AEW has suffers since!
Bully talking about Vince "forcing" relationships considering what he has done is wild to me.
You gotta hold the Bucks accountable. I gotta be real
Is this video Taped The after Monday Night Raw?? Because I noticed How this was posted Hours ago..
that last thing about Omega. I agree.
2:00 crazy that Dave says that because the head coach for the eagles used to coach the highschool close to mine that we kinda rivaled with lol
Id argue that they are in WWE because of Tony yes but also the fact that He chose to bet on The Bucks .
I don't know why we keep thinking so deep about all this, and why we are so worried about saying the truth. TK don't know what he's doing, and for some unknown reason, the veterans at AEW are not saying no to the crap and stuff that don't make sense. Vince did know what he was doing most of the time, and iv got to think that bad ideas, booking that didn't make sense and bad in-ring habits got called out most of the time too. I am no expert of course lol, but it seems quite logical does it not? I'm also not saying WWE are perfect because they really aint, but its night and day.
Vince definitely know better what he's doing but he overstayed his welcome for over a decade especially during 2018- early 2022 where WWE was an unwatchable mess
thanks for mentioning kenny. i'm always wondering how big he could be there. i think it would be insane!
At Mania can we get a Dave vs Notsam match? That would be absolutely the best. Hell maybe even add Cole in it, what a triple threat match... 😅😅😅
The hardcore aew fans would’ve tried to burry you for saying cm punk and cody made aew what it is even though its the absolute truth
TONY KAHN IS PUNCHING THE AIR!!
I got the sense in the beginning of AEW that Cody was holding Tony's hand. I guess Tony wanted to be a big boy and do it all by himself. Turns out, Tony isn't a big boy.
There was a moment when Vince was still ruining the week to week storytelling in the WWE and AEW had nothing but opportunity and the talent to seize the moment... and they were so good...
Then it all fell apart...
If you cant figure out how to work with CM punk and Cody Rhodes, you have no business running a wrestling promotion... WWE got every penny out of Punk even while he was injured. Punk vs Drew was must watch TV from start to finish... all over a 25 cent bracelet
Cody has been the white meat babyface we didnt know we needed... He sells like Ricky Morton and has comebacks as good as Dusty... he was already a polished performer with his own brand, log and theme music when he walked back in the doors of the WWE...
And TK let these guys go to make twinkle toes and the kookamunga kids happy
HHH has built a team of creative minds that just cant be stopped, AEW will never get close... they will be a farm league system for the WWE to get new talent or to send old talent on the way out of the business for one more payday.
You can add, they know how to push the new talent, like Penta, Stephanie Vaquer and Giulia and now see how AEW handled Edge, Jay White and Kazuchika Okada. And think, how WWE would sell, Okada and Jay White. 😅
16:43 You can add, Jacob Fatu aswell. Now think, how AEW would sell you, Solo Sikoa or Jacob Fatu?!
I have a sneaky feeling Tony Khan will never do an interview with busted open ever again
CM Punk & Cody are doing well in WWE because they don’t work with children .
That's like Vince missing a chance to do hogan v flair in 92
Except Vince actually did Hogan vs Flair on house shows, and it sucked. Tony didn't even try it
I can't belive I even thought aew would turn out to be actual competition to wwe.
Then agian , I do belive VM drove his product into the ground , in order to sell , so who ever bought the E , and would make minor changes , would see huge dratistic success (percived)
Omega needs to jump ship just to have his last 5 years of real stardom!
I actually wrote this comment one minute into this video, then hearing bubba say it at the end!
There totally correct but you have to rememeber there both original wwe people . Also I think it’s important to intervene and say also that all of aew top stars must be watching and seeing how well punk Cody and penta have all been treated since there trade to the rival company and seeing they haven’t been squashed at all
those two not being in AEW is the reason AEW is where they are now, unless that's what Bully meant, but that's not how it sounded
AEW has a roster of all-stars where nobody is a star. With no stories for audience investment, everything ends up mid card.
The title of this video could also be “2 + 2 = 4 “
OMG. 😂I would book it for that reason.!!!
And If I could it would be the same night AEW show or PPV is on, but I realize it is what it is….
😮I didn’t even think of that….
There were the 2 biggest stars in AEW history so far….