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Комментарии • 1,8 тыс.

  • @zachperry9960
    @zachperry9960 6 месяцев назад +2232

    “ Ping is not king. It’s one of eight princes” is probably your best line I’ve ever heard you speak Jev

    • @EUM_NEMESIS
      @EUM_NEMESIS 6 месяцев назад +26

      The next question should be: "But now who is the crown prince, the projected heir?"
      But seriously though, they could cut like 3 or 4 categories and make the MM far better.

    • @Dubulcle
      @Dubulcle 6 месяцев назад +24

      ​​@@EUM_NEMESIS You realise that they're capping right. They don't actually factor in all the other ones, and on the off chance that they do, it'll be negligible ( *which is why they coincidentally didn't mention how much the system favours each factor individually* )
      In reality it's probably 47% ping 47%, skill and 1% for the 6 other factors.

    • @Editionsz
      @Editionsz 6 месяцев назад +2

      He needs to play Lies of P

    • @Looseskru
      @Looseskru 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@Editionszyour spamming the comment section about bro playing lies of P. I wasn’t gonna be that guy too ray on your preference bc I do think that game is shit but damn bro chill

    • @Ace_v120
      @Ace_v120 6 месяцев назад +2

      and people on reddit would not agree lol

  • @wxlfii3479
    @wxlfii3479 6 месяцев назад +1221

    “you do well a couple times… the game thinks you’re scump”😭😭😭

    • @Underground-NYC
      @Underground-NYC 6 месяцев назад +27

      On god🤣🤣

    • @SHOWST0PPER243
      @SHOWST0PPER243 6 месяцев назад +3

      Too true

    • @andrewbrown6964
      @andrewbrown6964 6 месяцев назад +2

      this was the first comment i looked for

    • @trabacon9227
      @trabacon9227 6 месяцев назад +3

      I don’t understand y’all

    • @714ever8
      @714ever8 6 месяцев назад

      What is there not to understand? Lol​@@trabacon9227

  • @aboody1000
    @aboody1000 6 месяцев назад +353

    “Anyway I’m getting on Palworld” this is the best ending of all time LMAO

    • @illuminousloo
      @illuminousloo 6 месяцев назад +8

      I’ve been playing it all week. Ain’t played cod that much because palworld is amazing haha

    • @KLtheCustard
      @KLtheCustard 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@illuminousloofr I'm taking a break cuz I don't feel like sweating in matches rn 😂

    • @ct2xperience749
      @ct2xperience749 6 месяцев назад

      Gonna play Pow-world

    • @stephenkapellas7257
      @stephenkapellas7257 6 месяцев назад +2

      Haven’t played cod in weeks, uninstalled last night cause it’s been months lol

  • @dundee2858
    @dundee2858 6 месяцев назад +107

    Absolutely ridiculous a billion dollar AAA gaming company is trying trying to gaslight consumers

    • @tenseyyy3019
      @tenseyyy3019 6 месяцев назад +5

      Nah but it's actually crazy because it makes so much more sense now about mw19

    • @darkh0st
      @darkh0st 6 месяцев назад +15

      Wait until you hear what the government does.

  • @Braydzz
    @Braydzz 6 месяцев назад +256

    It's funny how SBMM is so strict but in ranked (The only place that it should exist) You still get matched against crimson and diamond players as a bronze team.

    • @toxicwast3882
      @toxicwast3882 6 месяцев назад +20

      Yup. Had two or 3 good games ( we all bronze ) and then we were getting paired against top 250 players 😂 make it make sense.

    • @vickiwampler9823
      @vickiwampler9823 6 месяцев назад

      I’m a Silver 3 solo queuing and I got matched up against a 4 stack of crimsons. How tf am I in their lobby.@@toxicwast3882

    • @Thirdstar
      @Thirdstar 6 месяцев назад +10

      Because there’s a hidden mmr, which makes 0 sense.

    • @youngcharley8955
      @youngcharley8955 6 месяцев назад +1

      all im sayin is
      im not playing new cod this your a
      nd cod 2025 is my last cod

    • @selfmadesmkbrandbrand1404
      @selfmadesmkbrandbrand1404 6 месяцев назад +6

      Tbh I just want them to address the camping problem, ik player will camp and ain’t nun much you can do about it but when an entire team camping and hiding not moving for an entire game that makes the game not playable and now the current player base most there winning the strategies of sitting in a corner waiting for someone to walk past them without being seen then moving the a different location doin it all over again

  • @michellerahe4853
    @michellerahe4853 6 месяцев назад +589

    Cod: "Hey so we're just going to say and clarify it ourselves and tell you guy's what you already know how our SBMM works. Hope we helped :))"

    • @kend9l
      @kend9l 6 месяцев назад +27

      Hey guys! a month late here! here is some super obvious information !!

    • @zDsire
      @zDsire 6 месяцев назад +10

      It was literally everything we already knew lol such garbage.

    • @mystical6367
      @mystical6367 6 месяцев назад +2

      You def didn’t know all these details. And the point was basically to shut down your stupid theories like Skill base damage and just tell you “your just bad”. And they called all the sweats out saying the better players keep playing when they lost so it’s your own faults cuz y’all just keep playing Everygame when you complain

    • @pavmx703
      @pavmx703 6 месяцев назад +8

      @@mystical6367 We pretty much knew the useful stuff that wasn't fluff. If I say something is red and someone else says it's crimson, that doesn't make me wrong.

    • @sporaticz
      @sporaticz 6 месяцев назад +4

      Shit literally drove me off cod over a year ago. How tf is it fair that I’m level 30 matched up with 200+ crackheads that play 5 hrs a day. I just want to relax and drop an easy 30. They have ranked for a reason. Hate it man.

  • @KyzaRipper
    @KyzaRipper 6 месяцев назад +120

    I quit cod a while ago because of sbmm. Every time I have tried to come back to the game for nostalgic purposes, the newer experience is so much worse. I am glad that you have spoken the truth in the past and continue to do so today. You will always be the only cod content creator I watch.

    • @dries2579
      @dries2579 6 месяцев назад

      exactly the same here

    • @brandonespinoza111
      @brandonespinoza111 6 месяцев назад +3

      You just have to get better 😢

    • @bmwtopspeed
      @bmwtopspeed 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@brandonespinoza111ok Mr “key board and mouse” 🐁

    • @brandonespinoza111
      @brandonespinoza111 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@bmwtopspeed what🤦‍♂️

    • @lessidealuncut6605
      @lessidealuncut6605 6 месяцев назад +9

      @@brandonespinoza111except you get better and then there’s no reward. you just have to keep trying harder and harder and that isn’t fun whatsoever

  • @mikeywiththeshotty
    @mikeywiththeshotty 6 месяцев назад +50

    The difference is that COD 4 and other earlier cods SBMM was calculated after finding a match to balance teams, after the lobby was created. Newer cods use skill before the match and lobby is created.

    • @ijustyap
      @ijustyap 6 месяцев назад +3

      THIS RIGHT HERE

    • @brandonespinoza111
      @brandonespinoza111 6 месяцев назад

      Naw there was no sbmm in older cods but it’s better now that there is it makes you actually try to play

    • @sv_sup6661
      @sv_sup6661 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@brandonespinoza111 There was though. It just wasn’t anywhere near as strict as now. There was no “searching for match

    • @hoagieland3716
      @hoagieland3716 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@brandonespinoza111There was always a protected bracket for the lowest of low skill players, even in the older games. Also, the SBMM algorithm back then was very simple: it chose 12 people randomly from the pool of players within close proximity, chose someone relatively central with mildly decent internet to be the host, and balanced teams based on the previous match. In fact, you could actually see the team balancing if you stuck around. All it did was order each player based on score and then alternate when putting players on teams. So, 1st, 3rd, 5th, etc were on one team and 2nd, 4th, 6th, etc were on the other

    • @choloman3
      @choloman3 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@hoagieland3716god i miss this well detailed I remember this

  • @darthJ9
    @darthJ9 6 месяцев назад +127

    Jev signing off on the rant with I'm getting on palword was gold 😂

    • @kujokage4611
      @kujokage4611 6 месяцев назад

      lol thats all i play now its more relaxing than fighting cdl lobbies every time i hop on or getting shadowbanned for doing too good with trash guns when im just grinding camos

  • @ARCANExx
    @ARCANExx 6 месяцев назад +273

    Jev saying “they want you to not hop on another game” makes sense because that’s why we get 40-90 gb updates, it’s so ridiculous how the game is 200+gbs without campaign installed for me 😂😂😂😂

    • @user-nn6ow3xt5o
      @user-nn6ow3xt5o 6 месяцев назад +39

      It’s stupid you can’t only have multiplayer installed. Like idgaf about warzone or the campaign.

    • @Mad-rg9sz
      @Mad-rg9sz 6 месяцев назад +6

      Can't lie my game takes up 70gb on PC. Don't know why tf people's is so big

    • @ballaxx3150
      @ballaxx3150 6 месяцев назад

      @@user-nn6ow3xt5o you can delete campaign and warzone through the In game files lol. Zombies is the only thing you can’t delete

    • @maxdrags3115
      @maxdrags3115 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@user-nn6ow3xt5o You are stupid.
      You CAN have only MP installed.
      On both PC and Console, it's pretty fucking easy to do too.

    • @jordyj4126
      @jordyj4126 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@Mad-rg9szconsole

  • @Jacketz123
    @Jacketz123 6 месяцев назад +34

    The whole “Ping is King Schtick from them is total bs. I had a consistent 1.98KD in Cold War and I never played in a lobby less than 90 ping. At that point it’s just rigging me to lose, it’s completely unfair.

    • @davidd1704
      @davidd1704 5 месяцев назад

      What do you consider fair? Letting sweaties farm casual .6-.8 KD players? Is that fair that they have to be in a casual lobby with someone who isn’t casual at all?

    • @Jacketz123
      @Jacketz123 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@davidd1704 well I never said that so obviously not. What’s even your point? That I should just make do with my 100 ping and lose because of my connection? Skill Based Matchmaking can exist in such brackets where it doesn’t have to search the entire globe just to find 11 other people with the exact same stats as me at any one time.

  • @ChippTheFox
    @ChippTheFox 6 месяцев назад +71

    As a shipment 24/7 only player, I do feel bad that SBMM exists. I can't tell you how many 80-120kill games I've had where the enemy had 2 good games previously and was very vocal about it in voice during/after match. And just insanely upset and frustrated that they're put into a lobby like mine, for the next 5 games. They aren't having fun. And the fact Activision acknowledges this but literally states they have no plans to fix it is just crazy.

    • @kingpeso4240
      @kingpeso4240 6 месяцев назад +12

      The game just isn’t fun when you go from having chill lobbies to try hards

    • @krazykuz13cmc
      @krazykuz13cmc 6 месяцев назад +1

      Stop cheating then

    • @scrotumscratcher2474
      @scrotumscratcher2474 6 месяцев назад

      @@krazykuz13cmcbait comment? Christ you’re 13 lmao go do your homework

    • @connorlynch428
      @connorlynch428 6 месяцев назад +13

      ​@@krazykuz13cmc who the fuck is cheating lil bro🤣🤣

    • @Hoholikzqxwk
      @Hoholikzqxwk 6 месяцев назад +3

      You’re the reason i can’t camo grind. If you guys want to sweat so bad go do it in a different mode

  • @mitchmurphy9164
    @mitchmurphy9164 6 месяцев назад +801

    Sbmm made me quit cod

    • @mrmangbro6842
      @mrmangbro6842 6 месяцев назад +42

      Its not sbmm it's eomm. That's the problem

    • @_dibbs
      @_dibbs 6 месяцев назад +81

      sbmm can be good if implemented properly but at this point cod has ascended past sbmm to eomm (engagement optimized matchmaking) which is far worse

    • @xghostx9715
      @xghostx9715 6 месяцев назад +4

      Recently, in MP, my K/D went down from 1.08 to 1.06 where I’m scared to even touch MP now. Nowadays, I just play Zombies or screw around in Warzone solo BR/Resurgence, where I can care less about my K/D.

    • @Cronrath64
      @Cronrath64 6 месяцев назад

      @@mrmangbro6842true

    • @willspinner2968
      @willspinner2968 6 месяцев назад +77

      @@xghostx9715I ain’t gonna act like I didn’t care about my K/D back in like BO2 but caring about it in 2024??? Game is not worth that imo

  • @spore9428
    @spore9428 6 месяцев назад +136

    Player retention must be worse than ever for them actually communicate like this.

    • @FinancialStorm7
      @FinancialStorm7 6 месяцев назад +5

      I hope you're right. This is the first cod that I quit only a few weeks after launch. Given my last jump with cod was from BO3 until last year's MW2 which I thoroughly enjoyed and was extremely good and consistent at. MW3 I cannot have a single good experience especially when playing with friends at all different skill levels, it is truly impossible

    • @exDivinityFPS
      @exDivinityFPS 6 месяцев назад +20

      Over 80% of the PC player-base has quit COD between MWII and MWIII's terrible reception. We're talking about a decline from like 500,000 active steam users to 100,000 with dips down to low 40,000s.

    • @Veez0
      @Veez0 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@exDivinityFPSwhere’d u get this information

    • @exDivinityFPS
      @exDivinityFPS 6 месяцев назад +12

      @@Veez0Steam playerbase is a good reflection of the PC playerbase, and is one of the more populated platforms the game is played on overall. The steam player retention for MWII and MWIII was beyond terrible. Among the worst I've seen in any Call of Duty title. Ever. MWII started out with what, like 600,000 on Steam? Declined to 100,000 during off hours. Then they released MWIII, which barely caused a jump in the population... A brief jump of... 100,000 players, which fell off entirely. Continued to decline until there's less than 40,000 people on Steam playing at times, with peaks around 100,000. It's presently one of the least popular mainstream FPS games, with games such as TF2, GTA V, Warframe, and Rust outperforming it consistently and in some cases quite considerably.
      Keep in mind that they combine the numbers for Warzone, MWII, AND MWIII to get those numbers and they're still abysmal. THREE GAMES AT ONCE can't match decade-old games.

    • @Erik-R
      @Erik-R 6 месяцев назад

      @@exDivinityFPS Ty for the source, but do you have a source for the old games? I feel like the 3-month drop-off has kind of always been a thing. Are Steam charts from years ago still available?

  • @zDsire
    @zDsire 6 месяцев назад +18

    Jev straight talking shit I love it lol he was so calm in the beginning then slowly you can see his aggravation escalate lol

    • @davidd1704
      @davidd1704 5 месяцев назад

      “Why won’t you just let me farm actual casual players??? Come on MY player experience!”

  • @LeekyLavish
    @LeekyLavish 6 месяцев назад +13

    “you do well for two games and the game thinks you’re fu**in scump “ love this guy 😂😂

  • @sick5088
    @sick5088 6 месяцев назад +600

    jev keeps the enthusiasm throughout the years. legend

    • @JOSHHARRIS-v3w
      @JOSHHARRIS-v3w 6 месяцев назад +6

      Idk how he does it

    • @tire_iron488
      @tire_iron488 6 месяцев назад +5

      🤖

    • @iiTsFaded_
      @iiTsFaded_ 6 месяцев назад +13

      yall just be doing whatever it takes to get the most liked comment

    • @6ixTrey
      @6ixTrey 6 месяцев назад

      Bro plays other games to keep his sanity

    • @Editionsz
      @Editionsz 6 месяцев назад

      We need him to play Lies of P

  • @asmrslimraven
    @asmrslimraven 6 месяцев назад +235

    Says a lot when a game like XDefiant puts in no SBMM and everyone had a great time. It is so unbelievably obvious that this is more about making money then their players having fun

    • @Mammo_NZ
      @Mammo_NZ 6 месяцев назад +6

      The two are intertwined. Player base is king, and it generates the money to spend on the game. less players, less money spent on the game, a worse game.

    • @SmokinTonic
      @SmokinTonic 6 месяцев назад +14

      @@Mammo_NZ what a corporate comment😂 less money spent in game means it's a good game

    • @Mammo_NZ
      @Mammo_NZ 6 месяцев назад

      @@SmokinTonic If the game doesnt make money because of falling engagement, there is less to reinvest into it, and you get a worse game. Pretty simple stuff.

    • @alexhopi1425
      @alexhopi1425 6 месяцев назад +27

      @@Mammo_NZ Funny how the most played game on steam right now had 1/10th of the budget CoD has XD. Almost like if the game is designed to be fun, it doesn't matter.

    • @spin.chicken
      @spin.chicken 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@Mammo_NZ People will play if a game is fun. But SBMM is not fun. EOMM is not fun. (For COD anyway. Games like RL need SBMM)

  • @MLemonT4
    @MLemonT4 6 месяцев назад +9

    There is a Bungie blog post about Destiny 2 from about a year ago that went SUPER in-depth into SBMM and how it works. Would recommend to anyone interested in learning how SBMM actually works.

  • @chancebarber4902
    @chancebarber4902 6 месяцев назад +62

    Worse part is this SBMM makes it impossible to play with friends who aren’t as good as you because they just aren’t having any fun. This is why I haven’t played a game of cod in general in months

    • @hmoobhawj3213
      @hmoobhawj3213 6 месяцев назад +7

      I’m in the same situation!! My friends aren’t as good and we’re getting stomp most of the time. It’s not fun for them anymore and I’m starting to feel that way too.

    • @okamegaobii2954
      @okamegaobii2954 6 месяцев назад +1

      This is why i quit, i haven't played cod since mw2019 was popular. I've always been the "sweat" out of my friends; so when it came to mw2019 sbmm, they felt like they were in hell playing with me so they'd play a few and get off or id play solo

  • @DontGAFkid
    @DontGAFkid 6 месяцев назад +78

    Sbmm, the reason why i haven't played the last 2 cods. I'm not wasting money on those games anymore

    • @OGzoose
      @OGzoose 6 месяцев назад

      git gud

    • @callumr3554
      @callumr3554 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@OGzoosehe is gud. Thats the issue

    • @LunaPPK
      @LunaPPK 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@OGzoose gitin good is a net negative in CoD now lol but i am sure you in the protected class

  • @xDakmia
    @xDakmia 6 месяцев назад +173

    appreciate you Jev for keeping it real through all these years

    • @MrWatchowtnow
      @MrWatchowtnow 6 месяцев назад

      Whats with all the ball sucking? I don't get it.

    • @daylightdies7194
      @daylightdies7194 6 месяцев назад +1

      I appreciate that jev can articulate what I for the most part think as well

  • @alley_wt
    @alley_wt 6 месяцев назад +5

    as someone who quit cod alltogether due to sbmm and hopped over to roblox phantom forces, having no sbmm makes a game alot more fun, every match youll have some people that play like shit but youll also have some sweats, sometimes more sometimes less. It is chaotic, but its a fun chaos as youre not constantly being put into lobbies that play like its some fucking ranked tournament

  • @saucyrage5756
    @saucyrage5756 6 месяцев назад +3

    “What are you gonna do? YOU CANT STOP ME!!” -Jev
    Bruh that is the quote that I would live by for the rest of this year an absolute dog❤

  • @artvandelay6306
    @artvandelay6306 6 месяцев назад +430

    Make a non-SBMM playlist and see what the players actually want. Seems pretty simple.

    • @Mammo_NZ
      @Mammo_NZ 6 месяцев назад +9

      They have access to much more data than that already. Which is why we have SBMM

    • @gregorstevenson1313
      @gregorstevenson1313 6 месяцев назад +75

      @@Mammo_NZif you make a non sbmm playlist then both sides win, if you don’t want to play against the better players play the normal game modes, if you want it back to how it used to be play non sbmm. Win win

    • @nytecorrr736
      @nytecorrr736 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@gregorstevenson1313only side that wins are the insane players(top10%), they can legit queue non sbmm mode and smurf with no penalty.

    • @blackwng
      @blackwng 6 месяцев назад +1

      lmao theyd be so upset when its 90% no sbmm lobbies and 10% sbmm

    • @Mammo_NZ
      @Mammo_NZ 6 месяцев назад +15

      @@gregorstevenson1313 the people going for non SBMM playlists will be all the good players looking for bots to stomp, and finding all the other good players looking for bots to stomp... the people they want to play against wont be choosing the non SBMM playlist.

  • @speedietruck4861
    @speedietruck4861 6 месяцев назад +19

    They said “ping is king” but then later on say that having good players in lobbies with bad players is bad. They aren’t slick with their lies 🤦‍♂️

    • @maxdrags3115
      @maxdrags3115 6 месяцев назад

      How is that a lie?
      You are just stupid.

    • @kingpeso4240
      @kingpeso4240 6 месяцев назад

      They are stupid

  • @joshjmilli
    @joshjmilli 6 месяцев назад +16

    It’s funny they claim SBMM retains players, even though I stopped playing CoD because of it

    • @hjalleson309
      @hjalleson309 6 месяцев назад +3

      Sadly, you are not the target audience for COD. The system that caused you to quit made more players (bad players) stick around, increasing player count and making investors happy. For every good player that quits due to SBMM theres probably 2-3 bad ones that keep playing due to SBMM.

  • @SteezinBreezin
    @SteezinBreezin 6 месяцев назад +6

    "Connection" Every 5 seconds.. "Packet burst, packet lost"

    • @liamfrr
      @liamfrr 6 месяцев назад

      i think thats just your internet not being good for the servers, im assuming you dont lag on other games?

    • @SteezinBreezin
      @SteezinBreezin 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@liamfrr nope. I don’t lag on other games. And I don’t lag in COD. And it only happens when I’m about to kill someone. It’s more frequent in Shipment maps. Other maps don’t do that so much. And I usually always die when it happens.

    • @LowTierScrub
      @LowTierScrub 6 месяцев назад

      ​@SteezinBreezin yes always happens as you lock onto someone, big lag spike dead. Game works perfect until you need a certain kill then packets uou 😢😢

    • @SteezinBreezin
      @SteezinBreezin 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@LowTierScrubyes. Again mostly on small maps. I usually run and gun with a sniper but on shipment it happens so much I have to slow my play style down.

  • @WeebMeister37
    @WeebMeister37 6 месяцев назад +133

    Like Merkmusic said, they are never going to truly explain how it works, and never going to explain it in true fine detail

    • @Mammo_NZ
      @Mammo_NZ 6 месяцев назад +1

      Well, Jev did skip over the future communications part....

    • @icecoldjohnnyy
      @icecoldjohnnyy 6 месяцев назад +25

      @@Mammo_NZbecause he knows it’s bullshit

    • @Mammo_NZ
      @Mammo_NZ 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@icecoldjohnnyy i disagree

    • @UltimateADHDUser
      @UltimateADHDUser 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@Mammo_NZ Dude. You only play battle royale. Stay in your lane and us in ours. lol

    • @ItsRexxys
      @ItsRexxys 6 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@Mammo_NZ bet ur a sbmm fan

  • @ComradeMad
    @ComradeMad 6 месяцев назад +266

    Love the fact that I can watch Jev explain these so I don’t have to go find them

    • @_jaded
      @_jaded 6 месяцев назад +3

      It’s usually best to do your own research but Jev is pretty on point 99.9% of the time

  • @CaptainQH
    @CaptainQH 6 месяцев назад +4

    6:39 “You do well a couple of times, the game thinks you’re Scump” This 100% is true.

  • @Jake-nn8oh
    @Jake-nn8oh 6 месяцев назад +1

    the way cod4 and earlier cods used sbmm was similar to 2 captains picking players for a basketball game in gym class. after local players are gathered the teams are balanced out. now its determine skill base so precisely and everything else before location

  • @alexchng
    @alexchng 6 месяцев назад +47

    When I was a League of Legends player many years ago, I remember Riot putting out a statement on why they refused to make URF a permanent game mode. URF (where cooldowns were reduced by 80%, and spells cost no mana) was fun as hell, but Riot discovered that players would get burnt out and eventually lose interest in returning to the standard game mode. I suppose that's why Activision won't let us have access to Shipment all the time

    • @user-pu6pb8yc6c
      @user-pu6pb8yc6c 6 месяцев назад +1

      but league does it best you have normals and you have ranked you can test champs builds tactics and have fun in normals aram and then you go sweat on ranked vs players same skill lvl as you but in cod you have 2 ranked modes thats just painful

    • @alexchng
      @alexchng 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@user-pu6pb8yc6c yeah, I wasn't really commenting on the SBMM portion of the conversation. It is fucking ridiculous to weight skill that much in a normal playlist, when ranked play exists. Crazy

    • @Cold84
      @Cold84 6 месяцев назад

      I don't get this cause all anyone wants to play shipment for is to level guns up. I don't know anyone that actually plays the real call of duty game for fun, everyone uses it as a stepping stone for warzone.

    • @RealEllenDeGeneres
      @RealEllenDeGeneres 6 месяцев назад +5

      They limit Shipment because their whole business model is built on artificial scarcity. They lock content behind progression and then offer ways to buy progression via skins (which unlock the attachments/guns associated with them automatically) and XP tokens in the battle passes. If they had Shipment 24/7 then people wouldn't be as incentivized to make these purchases. If multiplayer was f2p I'd consider this fine, but it's scummy to do this for a paid title. It's double dipping.

    • @YourSoSeezy
      @YourSoSeezy 6 месяцев назад

      @@user-pu6pb8yc6c Normal's in league have SBMM... its just the league community generally understands normals is for fun / testing. whereas with COD PUBS are everything, K/D is everything W/L is everything...

  • @lazcoroner1483
    @lazcoroner1483 6 месяцев назад +34

    If people keep playing, COD will never change/improve.

    • @Drewkungfoo
      @Drewkungfoo 6 месяцев назад +6

      Which is why I will stop playing now, they’ve lost me now.

    • @Drewkungfoo
      @Drewkungfoo 6 месяцев назад

      Just let the morons that keep buying their overpriced Bundles and stupid ahh Black Cell and support the Scummy Business Practices

    • @itsjustcrimson1415
      @itsjustcrimson1415 6 месяцев назад +2

      Not gonna happen

    • @bulletghost3452
      @bulletghost3452 6 месяцев назад +3

      More like if people keep paying for skins and characters, they care when player numbers drop over time which is why they have double xp and some free bundles but when people keeping bitching about sbmm? Still playing and buying skins though, literally lambs to the slaughter.

    • @HarveySpecter0
      @HarveySpecter0 6 месяцев назад +1

      if there was an alternative I wouldn't. previously we had battlefield which was still different but somehow similar. Now BF just sucks.

  • @spin.chicken
    @spin.chicken 6 месяцев назад +4

    The average player is NOT GOOD at COD. Which means, most matches will have AVERAGE players in them with maybe one or two being really good. You cannot tell me that "Our studies show that players are getting BLOWN OUT and leave matches because there's no SBMM", that simply would not happen. They are absolutely lying because most of the players in the lobby would be average. There's no way it's consistently 6 average joes vs 6 "gods". That's statistically impossible.
    SBMM is a thing right now, and I'm still getting in matches where the game ends 200-6 in Hardpoint. Blown out matches are going to happen regardless of SBMM being present or not. So using "people are getting blown out and rage quit" as a reason for SBMM to be implemented is just a cheap answer because there will always be blow out matches and rage quitting. That's gaming.
    The PRO LEAGUE has blow out matches, too. Even the "best" team can get absolutely stomped. It happens. That is a horrendous argument full of holes.

  • @Zedav
    @Zedav 6 месяцев назад +4

    I appreciate Jev is realistic and explains what they actually meant

  • @santegrossi5816
    @santegrossi5816 6 месяцев назад +16

    This video is so important and needs to be seen by more of the community

  • @V4LOROUS_Official
    @V4LOROUS_Official 6 месяцев назад +21

    “Ping is 1 of 8 princes” that got me real good hahahaha

  • @ArteriusSaren
    @ArteriusSaren 6 месяцев назад +4

    4:27. Jev is old enough to remember Halo 3 and it's perfect matchmaking. Never ever had a problem with Halo 3.

  • @r1skr3ward90
    @r1skr3ward90 6 месяцев назад +3

    One of the easiest fixes they could do to ease the sbmm pressure is keeping lobbies together after games

  • @Maverick2Fly
    @Maverick2Fly 6 месяцев назад +591

    Who's surprised?

  • @lostinthesystem656
    @lostinthesystem656 6 месяцев назад +19

    9:20 is why i love jev aint no one holding him down lmao

  • @mystical6367
    @mystical6367 6 месяцев назад +3

    It’s funny cuz they are right. Every pro or good player, Jev included, who complain about SBMM don’t stop playing. They will complain but then just instantly boot up another match.

  • @noahcalhoun3964
    @noahcalhoun3964 6 месяцев назад +4

    3:21 Activision- "Hold my beer"

  • @DizzyRewind
    @DizzyRewind 6 месяцев назад +39

    If they would just be honest and tell us how it is I could respect that. The fact they continue to frame that everything is about the player and even go as far as trying to make you feel bad for leaving a game is despicable.

    • @gansito6154
      @gansito6154 6 месяцев назад

      I agree the lying, the gaslighting, and manipulation makes it so much worse specially now that it's out in the open and there's so much proof and people are opening their eyes. It's just plain greed

  • @TJC1212
    @TJC1212 6 месяцев назад +83

    Don’t you love it when the Company of a franchise you love actively addresses a problem the entire community hates because not everyone wants to go pro, and tells you to just f- off? So tired of these triple AAA company’s no passion anymore just profit

    • @allroundgamerog6885
      @allroundgamerog6885 6 месяцев назад +10

      I don’t love cod I tolerate it

    • @robertpatterson8437
      @robertpatterson8437 6 месяцев назад

      @@allroundgamerog6885 Go live your life.

    • @Patel-Chirag-Gupta
      @Patel-Chirag-Gupta 6 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@allroundgamerog6885thats big man.. thats fucking huge.
      Thanks for this.

    • @theunderdog9353
      @theunderdog9353 6 месяцев назад +11

      It's why it feels so good to play Palworld instead of CoD now :)

    • @fartmaster6977
      @fartmaster6977 6 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@Patel-Chirag-Guptathat's what she said

  • @roochee_
    @roochee_ 6 месяцев назад +1

    i like how they just lied in everyones face because connection is 100% not the priority in SBMM lol

  • @richardbixler
    @richardbixler 6 месяцев назад +2

    CoD Community: “This game is getting more and more inconsistent and it just feels off. Maybe those patents are real?”
    CoD: “Hey you guys, I don’t like you guys talking about this! Can we just talk about SBMM like the good old days?”

  • @КГБКолДжорджКостанца
    @КГБКолДжорджКостанца 6 месяцев назад +191

    SBMM is basically one of the reasons COD isn't worth playing

    • @Lucas-m11
      @Lucas-m11 6 месяцев назад +34

      its literally the only reason I dont play cod anymore. Last one i played was mw2 and was sitting at a mediocre 1.3kd but every game was just a sweat fest unless i played with lower kd friends

    • @Qysto
      @Qysto 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Lucas-m11KD barely factors into matchmaking in my experience. I have some friends who are considerably worse than me but they have a higher W/L and KD ratio

    • @asapch4669
      @asapch4669 6 месяцев назад +8

      @@Qysto what does that even mean though? What are they lucky then? That isn't possible and doesn't make sense. Even back with little to no skill-based, better players had better stats and it's that simple.

    • @Qysto
      @Qysto 6 месяцев назад

      @@asapch4669 they camp, basically. They have much lower skill in terms of accuracy, aiming, movement etc and I would consistently destroy them in a 1v1, but because they play so slowly and hold angles they perform better, at least in terms of KD (not in any other metric). When I play with them I notice a considerable difference between our lobbies. They might go positive more frequently than I do when we play solo, but I absolutely stomp in their lobbies when I play with them. That’s why I said it barely factors in, it takes a whole lot more than just your KD into account.

    • @Tobey_Maguire-
      @Tobey_Maguire- 6 месяцев назад

      Think it tracks the way you move in game too.
      @@Qysto

  • @RedRescue7
    @RedRescue7 6 месяцев назад +8

    11:00 “Ping is not King. Ping is one of eight princes” 🤣

  • @Mr.Minothaure
    @Mr.Minothaure 6 месяцев назад +1

    19:00 “anyway im getting on palworld” the realest statement

  • @Equifor01
    @Equifor01 6 месяцев назад +2

    THE TRUTH, Jev you’re the best!

  • @captain_squiddy
    @captain_squiddy 6 месяцев назад +5

    Every 6 months I hop on cod, and my matchmaking is immediately all level 1000s. I can’t even casually play the the game every once in a while because sbmm never resets after months of not playing

  • @abouley3
    @abouley3 6 месяцев назад +8

    I love how he had to explain why he was good at call of duty in the beginning for all the new subs from palworld🤣

  • @Xhotic
    @Xhotic 6 месяцев назад +1

    13:35-13:40
    Facts. Literally the most factual statement I think the community needs to hear.

  • @Cold84
    @Cold84 6 месяцев назад +4

    I really can't comprehend how skill is involved in sbmm at all. I have felt for a long time it is all about how much you play the game, the more you play the game the more it puts you into harder lobbies. I remember in wz1, I was on console, had like a 0.9 kd and the warzone stat website said all my games had an average of 1.3-1.7 kds, in games nearly double my kd as the average player in the game. It was so frustrating I was so ass at the game and it put me against what felt like all these crackheads, I tried to get good but I wasn't. Meanwhile, I looked up Aydan's same stats and he was getting consistently 0.7 kd games, I think I remember one being like 1.3 but he has less kills in it so it reflected how hard my lobbies felt. I couldn't understand it how I was put in those lobbies and it was so frustrating to watch streamers play these lobbies I should be in and they get fucking 40 kills in them. I wanted to play the game they played, but my experience was getting dumpstered every game. Even tho I was addicted to the game, I reached a point where it was just too hard and I didn't want to do it anymore. I came back years later and my stat kd average was way lower in lobbies I would have been competitive in when I actually liked the game. I feel like if it were about skill my lobbies would have normalized to my kd and they never did. I still don't know how streamers get such easy lobbies, we can't tell their kd lobbies anymore cause cod shut that down, and I don't think they all vpn tho some certainly do, so there is something else going on with that imo.
    When people complain about sbmm, I ask them if this is the only game they play, they always say yes. I think of sbmm to be the game challenging you to see how many hard lobbies you can handle until you quit, if you have the willpower to just stop, play another game, and come back to it your lobbies will be easy again. This is my experience with sbmm, that the best gaming experience is to quit when it's too hard and come back later when sbmm feels like it resets.

    • @salvadortorres568
      @salvadortorres568 6 месяцев назад +1

      bro Aydan is one of the best to ever play the game, it would be tough to fill an entire lobby with people like him. Of course they have to find players at that given time when Aydan cues up. you said you took off years plus the game is popular, you can imagine it being easier to fill a lobby with people who are going to play better. I can imagine that being harder when everybody is quitting because they don't know how to get better or have a team. Ranked warzone and mp there for a reason?

    • @jakestratus2247
      @jakestratus2247 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@salvadortorres568 The time your playing does matter, but like OP, i compared my lobbies to big streamers dropping 30 kills a game and its laughable. They have 3+kd but get 0.6 lobbies while i would be in consistent 1+ kd lobbies (Playing at the same time) with my 1.2-1.4 kd. If they can find a 1.0 lobby for me they can find at least that for a 3.0 "pro".

    • @salvadortorres568
      @salvadortorres568 6 месяцев назад

      i feel like all the factors are important, the gap from 1.0 to 3.0 kd is insane. 2.5 2.2 2.0 kds are high and rare. On the other hand there might be lower kds on hot streaks getting into lower lobbies. if everybody quits or stops trying , no matter what lobby you join whatever kd , there wont be enough people in each class @@jakestratus2247

  • @ElectriCarry
    @ElectriCarry 6 месяцев назад +8

    They make enough money and don’t see sales dropping so they don’t need to fix it sadly

  • @poopymcbuttface4763
    @poopymcbuttface4763 6 месяцев назад +20

    It was so much fun as a kid going from like a 0.6 KD in ghosts to a 2 KD + on bo3. You actually felt like you got better and could easily tell

  • @OutsideDuhBox
    @OutsideDuhBox 6 месяцев назад +1

    Once a game turns into a business, it is pretty much over for that franchise 😔

  • @wjjohns04able
    @wjjohns04able 6 месяцев назад +3

    SBHR may not be a part of their “match making” system, but it sure as hell is at work. If you think they go to these lengths to keep bad players playing the game and you don’t believe their patents for real-time nerfing etc. aren’t being utilized, then you prob have a really good gaming chair and you aren’t getting effected. The proof is overwhelming at this point.

  • @coltontaylor4572
    @coltontaylor4572 6 месяцев назад +6

    They need a poll.
    For SBMM
    Against SBMM
    Whichever wins stays or goes

    • @Mammo_NZ
      @Mammo_NZ 6 месяцев назад +3

      Would never happen. They see from their data it would mean less players, and less money.

    • @adnsalazar2
      @adnsalazar2 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@Mammo_NZ they are lying thats why they are talking about sbmm but not eomm

    • @KaiserNightcoreMusic
      @KaiserNightcoreMusic 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@adnsalazar2 EOMM is just that another level of boogeyman under the bed that i doubt they will ever address it.

  • @sey3217
    @sey3217 6 месяцев назад +4

    Biggest “Deal with it” of the century

  • @PablitoJuliani
    @PablitoJuliani 6 месяцев назад +1

    The "neversoft" shirt bro is wearing is OG AF. A man of good taste.

  • @ImSeeqify
    @ImSeeqify 6 месяцев назад +1

    i think doing mastery camos get you in better lobbies as well, because as soon as you unlock interstellar you face more players with it and it was the same with getting orion

  • @paddyjames14
    @paddyjames14 6 месяцев назад +9

    i remember when the call of duty franchise was an arcade shooter that you could play to let some steam off or have a laugh with your buddies, what happened to the game we love man.

  • @Cam1an
    @Cam1an 6 месяцев назад +7

    the moment we called them out for not saying anything on SBMM when they said they would, they say some BS. they F'ing lying. just talking out the ass knowing they just HAVE TO say something.
    PS F this game, I WANT PALWORLD! lol

  • @rayciaf
    @rayciaf 6 месяцев назад +3

    It’s like the casino putting out a statement to gambling addicts who are mad at the slot machines.

  • @PoolarStyle
    @PoolarStyle 6 месяцев назад +1

    The words “multiplayer matchmaking” and “a fun experience” haven't fit in the same sentence for many years

  • @sneakerhead11987
    @sneakerhead11987 6 месяцев назад +2

    The neversoft T shirt with all the leaks is a great touch LOL

  • @GaryDoom
    @GaryDoom 6 месяцев назад +3

    They will never admit their current matchmaking system has been a huge failure.

  • @iJobama
    @iJobama 6 месяцев назад +1

    we used to take turns making fresh accounts to host party back on cod 4/world at war and you'd get mad easy lobbies all night. there has always been some extra matchmaking parameters involved other than connection

  • @4watching46
    @4watching46 6 месяцев назад +1

    Wish they had a rust only playlist separate from the shipment one

  • @dom4063
    @dom4063 6 месяцев назад +3

    No upload today 😞

  • @Monkeylighthouse
    @Monkeylighthouse 6 месяцев назад +4

    Im thankful every day for finding jevs channel.

  • @FinancialStorm7
    @FinancialStorm7 6 месяцев назад +2

    Id literally rather them do what fortnite did and add bots. I straight up stopped playing because playing in high skill lobbies all day is unbearable to the point where my friends dont want to party up and even play. Im sure they can make bots that seam realistic and give everyone the lobbies they "want".

  • @monkefard2869
    @monkefard2869 6 месяцев назад +1

    this reminds me of college writing a load of bs to get to the word count

  • @BladesGTS
    @BladesGTS 6 месяцев назад +4

    Sadly it will never go away unless XDefiant does really well they might do it just to try and kill the enemy

  • @Psiballl
    @Psiballl 6 месяцев назад +7

    All these factors in the matchmaking system and somehow I still end up losing 10 games in a row.

  • @Zegin17
    @Zegin17 6 месяцев назад +1

    6:38 I gut busted when you said this because it's so true 😂😂😂

  • @SomethingSeemsOff
    @SomethingSeemsOff 6 месяцев назад +2

    Fucking thank you Jev! Took all the words out of my mouth plus more

  • @K1NGST0N13
    @K1NGST0N13 6 месяцев назад +12

    U gonna be posting Palworld content soon? Luv that game, keep it up

    • @alsorick9
      @alsorick9 6 месяцев назад +8

      dawg it’s been 2 days relax💀

    • @tire_iron488
      @tire_iron488 6 месяцев назад +2

      stops posting palworld for a day and you get children asking if he's gonna continue. wtf.

    • @iiBeasttt
      @iiBeasttt 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@tire_iron488 thats how u know the game is good, i also would rather watch the palworld videos too...

    • @tire_iron488
      @tire_iron488 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@iiBeasttt it'll die in a few months bro.

    • @iiBeasttt
      @iiBeasttt 6 месяцев назад

      @@tire_iron488 literally pokemon with guns, yknow how big the pokemon community is?

  • @51Archives
    @51Archives 6 месяцев назад +23

    SBMM Started in BO2 League Play, They're just trying to shut up the players complaining about it by saying it was in COD4

    • @alexm6715
      @alexm6715 6 месяцев назад +19

      They can say that as much as they want, doesn’t change the fact that the experience playing COD4 did not show any evidence of sbmm

    • @51Archives
      @51Archives 6 месяцев назад

      Exactly, And thats what made the older CODs fun was because there was none of that shit@@alexm6715

    • @alpenjodel24
      @alpenjodel24 6 месяцев назад +1

      Thats because with COD4 lobby-internal skill matching started. You remember, after a very one-sided game of MW/MW2 the lobby would not disband but the teams would get scrambled to even out? They use that system (which was PERFECT in my opinion) as an excuse that SBMM was always there.
      I loved that system so much. Rivals would become teammates and vice versa, such a good time.

  • @OriginsHQ
    @OriginsHQ 6 месяцев назад +1

    i miss the old ping system.
    used to live in california, and now I am in new york. my ping is horrendous now that I am on the east coast even with 1tb upload / download speed... the ping issue is ruining the game for me, especially in ranked when I will be matching with west coast players and have 80 ping against diamonds. that ping difference constantly loses me gun fights

  • @yFlaco
    @yFlaco 6 месяцев назад +1

    So if matchmaking connection gets worse when you’re better, they’re punishing their skilled players, great job cod.

  • @pranavhb1716
    @pranavhb1716 6 месяцев назад +8

    Skillbased hit registration and damage is real

  • @EliteReclaims
    @EliteReclaims 6 месяцев назад +19

    I literally felt like standing up and clapping after watching this video, your a legend Jev :D

    • @jmpertl
      @jmpertl 6 месяцев назад +1

      You're**

    • @pricklycats
      @pricklycats 6 месяцев назад +1

      It’s not your legend, it’s our legend

    • @EliteReclaims
      @EliteReclaims 6 месяцев назад

      @@pricklycats Lol true

    • @EliteReclaims
      @EliteReclaims 6 месяцев назад

      You're*

  • @ibeebzz9804
    @ibeebzz9804 6 месяцев назад +1

    There wasn’t sbmm in cod4 or old p2p cods. They had lobby balancing. You can’t have an mmr on p2p connections. Loved your take at the end!

  • @Tex-18
    @Tex-18 6 месяцев назад +1

    “This isn’t about the player experience, this is about money”. Jev saying it out it actually is

  • @KingSlay-hy9iv
    @KingSlay-hy9iv 6 месяцев назад +12

    Yeah I knew it was too good to be true 😩Jev can never finish a series 😂😂 (it’s a joke 😉)

    • @allroundgamerog6885
      @allroundgamerog6885 6 месяцев назад +3

      1 day and u say this gosh u guys are idiots🤦🏾‍♂️ (this is also a joke🙃)

    • @KingSlay-hy9iv
      @KingSlay-hy9iv 6 месяцев назад

      @@allroundgamerog6885 😂😂

  • @5eymour8utz
    @5eymour8utz 6 месяцев назад +3

    valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike cod chad with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from cod fear of dark world and realism

  • @Emboltic
    @Emboltic 6 месяцев назад +1

    All they need to do is literally give what 99% of there playerbase wants. Idk why that concept is so hard to grasp.

  • @ryanedwards4921
    @ryanedwards4921 6 месяцев назад +1

    Love seeing you call them out on their bullshit Jev. Much Love, Much Respect brother

  • @itsm0ttzy
    @itsm0ttzy 6 месяцев назад +3

    Id love Jev to do an event or something called like Late Night with Jev, and us subs ask him random questions just to get his opinion on something. Just think it would be really neat.

  • @mattgrassi5293
    @mattgrassi5293 6 месяцев назад +5

    Rip Palworld it was good while it lasted

  • @Antrezz-gg4wx
    @Antrezz-gg4wx 6 месяцев назад

    Jevs voice "SKILLSSSS” !!!!????? The Dunk are we even taking about

  • @godzillaiv2096
    @godzillaiv2096 6 месяцев назад +1

    "We have run tests over the years to determine if removing skill as a consideration from matchmaking makes sense." Just ask Bungie how that went when they announced that they're removing SBMM from standard crucible matches(for a weekend iirc) and the amount of crucible players skyrocketed into the millions for that weekend. Funny how that works.

  • @impyasad
    @impyasad 6 месяцев назад +3

    JEV NEEDS A GOOD FISTIN

  • @mxixkxexyx
    @mxixkxexyx 6 месяцев назад +4

    Terraria expertmode playthrough 🙏♥ (day:156)

  • @EyadAboughrara
    @EyadAboughrara 6 месяцев назад +1

    16:19 Jev is too funny 😂

  • @buffdogo5366
    @buffdogo5366 6 месяцев назад +1

    Love the tekken music as background music ❤❤