Copper vs. Aluminum: Stock Intel Heatsink Rant
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- - I hate to say it; but stock Skylake CPU heatsinks are CHEAP! Regardless of the drop in total TDP from Haswell, cheaper coolers = higher temperatures, and higher temperatures = a saddened Greg. Let's dive further into this matter...
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"It's about 5 more degrees, still nowhere near the Tjunction, and we can save a buck or two per unit."
"Dammit Johnson, you're a genius."
That's exactly how the meeting at Intel went.
True. It sucks that you can't overclock on a stock cooler, unless you have a super low-end CPU like the G3258 :(
ECCENTRIC
Well you can, buuuuut.....not a whole lot compared to something more beefy.
I imagine that 5 degrees equals 100mhz+ before throttling... Would be VERY VERY interesting to actually know this!!!
They have been flip flopping between aluminum and copper since 775 socket, it just depends on how hot the CPU runs if they decide it needs copper or not.
+Frantisek Bernasek any heatsink I've seen has been solid once piece aluminum or copper colored copper center slug in the aluminum
+Frantisek Bernasek oh, I'm talking Intel branded stock coolers only
I've got a pile of old Intel heatsinks, they're all copper core and one is solid copper including the fins.
copper or no copper that heatsink suck either way
lolz
true that
If you're not overclocking, it works just fine.
Agree.... thx to Greg and his "Intel skylake 650$ build" vid my bro succeded to OC his 6400 with stock cooler to 3.5 ghz. Weird but works just fine.
flowergreeeeed
What temps does his cpu reach at max load?
Boy am I glad I went back on my plans to buy a skylake this year. I've been waiting for 2 years to upgrade, now I'm thinking it might be best just to wait for Zen, fuck intel and fuck their prices.
+Cestarian Inhabitant If the temperatures are nowhere near Tj max then it doesn't matter at all. A few degrees is nothing, and it won't actually increase the temperature of your system by anything either. All it means is the CPU is a few degrees warmer, but it won't produce or radiate *any* more heat because of that. Everything else will be the same temperature, and the cpu won't lose any performance either.
Im surprised that you only have 5k subs because your videos are awesome.
+Dallas Tate I am very thankful for all of you!
+Dallas Tate Exactly my thoughts just a week late.
183,485 as of right now.
sike
now in 2018 after 2 years of your comment , his subs are 370+ k
The only thing that would really pull me in any direction when considering a stock cooler is like when AMD basically did a redesign admiting "hey, our old coolers sucked, we know, look how much better we're going to do!"
Greg ma nigga whatchu gonna do bout that hair?
This is an old video, my man!
Still old. Channel started eight months ago...
It's thanks to all of you!
Eight months ago sounds too soon.
Feels like it's been a long time.
If you are on a budget, go to ebay and search "tower heatsink", you can get them for about the same price as a stock Intel heatsink which you can then sell.
You only keep a stock cooler when you can't be bothered to do an upgrade.
Have you ever use an AMD heatsink? Fucking thing sounds like a turbine engine in my room.
Yes, I have. In a recent build, actually.
BlackSn0wz yes and they use standard fans that you could swap out and the wraith cooler is not that loud
Not sure why anyone would downvote such a useful video.
People on auction sites often give their stock coolers (copper) away with their i5s and i7s when they sell them. I got my copper stock cooler for free with my second-hand i5-3570k which I run at stock clock speed at the moment on a H61, good to know the copper makes quite a difference.
Thanks for watching and appreciating the content!
They probably went for a cheaper cooler since Skylake has also a better thermal interface, so they will run a lot cooler than before.
The copper core was probably implemented do to pre refresh Haswell CPUs having a horrible thermal interface material between the die and the IHS. My 4430 (lowest clocked normal power Haswell i5) reaches 100° C and throttles on the stock cooler on Prime 95 Small FFTs and around 87-90°C on CPU-Z's stress test.
Holy crap, I didn't even notice that they change the stock cooler.I thought they were all the same.
+ItsFlashtime the pick the cooler based on the tdp of the chip, been this way for years :)
I don't really think it matters as the temps are still completely fine.
Intel has always been making coolers that are enough but only that. I actually wouldn't care if I would buy a new processor and I would install the new cooler instead of my current one that has a copper slug because of fan life. :P
Don't forget though.. cheaper CPU because not a k SKU, no aftermarket cooler needed and you can use a cheaper motherboard that doesn't have overclocking capabilities but exactly the same or close features and that could save 100 euros or more where I live.
The price to performance for the k SKUs isn't really adding up where I live. :P
I got the little tower Zalman 5X Performa for about $20 USD back in 2013. It still works really fine, and after installing it on non-K Skylake ( I didn't get the Box version because of the prices in Russia) i5 6500 I can't hear it without opening the case! And the temperatures are really stable.
Those 5C at most are not worth to bother.
Purchasing an EVO 212 ~30$ will make the system much quieter with much lower temps.
And will probably migrate to the next build.
Also, a custom cooler can be added at any point, like few months later.
I agree.
4:08 Intel core i9 predicted
Hi
I have a problem with this test
-It does not appear that you measured the Ambient temps
-You mention the skylake heatsink having thinner fins but you don't mention whether or not they have the same fin density for example greater fin density is more important than thicker fins
The Ivy Bridge(Core i7-3770k) stock coolers had Cu slugs and higher fin densities. If you go back to Sandy Bridge, the IHS's were soldered on rather than a cheaper thermal paste like the new ones have.
They've consistently gotten cheaper with their stock cooling.
I thought skylake didn't come with a heatsink??? Intel sold one seperately, but for the price you could buy a Hyper 212 Evo from CM.
Edit: NVM Turns out only K skus don't come w/ it.
Correct.
Skylake non "k" and xeon cpus have a stock heatsink
who uses stock heatsinks, seriously?
Harry Lawton I mean, I want skylake, but not the noisy stock cooler, so 212 evo here I come
my friend
Also though, various heatsinks have different fin configurations. My locked Haswell 4120 has an all aluminum cooler with different fins than my 4790k stock heatsink. Not that it seems that the stock heatsink will be used on the higher end cpus.
Not just thinner fins of any sort, but different patterns. One of them has forked fins, the other has spiral looking fins.
Lol I remember watching this video 5 years ago. I bought my Core i7 10700F today and noticed it had a copper slug. Reminded me of here. It even has a nice all black coating.
a real tech channel unlike LTT
+patrick Tighe LTT would of spray painted the heatsink to a copper color...LOL
+Karishin32 lol got that right
+Mario Saltalamacchia You'll find that most never even noticed the stock cooler change. So you're welcome.
Hey, that display looks familiar... Is it LG 29UM58-P?
I built a low budget PC for a family member a while back with an intel pentium g3220. I tried the boxed cooler but it was always wining a little altough that chip really doesnt produce any heat.
Then a got an arctic 11 for 10 bucks and ran it locked at 1000rpm.
To this day this pc is completely inaudible and never overheats.
Your jawline could cut diamonds
Your comment wins the funniest comment award.
I have a Haswell Core I3 4330 using a stock cooler. It is silent and runs at < 40C nearly all the time. If you're not overclocking or running lower power devices like Core I3 stock is just fine. I bought a Core I5 6600 (non-K), we plan to use a Coolermaster Hyper 212X. This is a 4 core machine vs. the 2 Core, I3. The stock cooler has its place, but not in high power situations. You can always try out the stock cooler and see if it's quiet and does its job, if not trade up to an aftermarmet cooler like the 212 series which is cheap and very effective.
It's all pretty simple. In my experience of building computers for nearly 15 years now CPU companies usually cheap out on the stock coolers since most people are going for the aftermarket heatsinks and fans. Even especially with the new AMD and Intel builds that most builders will use water cooling or something else. My last couple AMD builds (Athlon X2 6400 and FX8350) use the stock fan which worked good for the most part since they had a good amount of copper in them with pipelines with minimal troubles though. Both do run rather warm though at 125tdp
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+Science Studio loughed
Not a word which describes anything in this context.
Science Studio k ;(
My boxed Skylake 6700K didn't come with any heat sink... I paired it up with a CM 212 Evo anyway, so it wasn't a huge loss
Shouldnt thinner fins on the heatsink itself mean better heat dissipation? Obviously the skylake stock cooler is worse just because it is missing the copper slug, but I would have to assume that the thinner fans should help it a little. Even though thinner fans will make the cooler cheaper to produce, I have a feeling that Intel knows how heat dissipation and fin arrays are related...so maybe they planned that part out?
Thicker = more surface area to dissipate heat.
Well, theoretically speaking, thinner fins would mean they can fit more fins around the heatsink which would equate to be more surface area. That's how radiators work at least...Now if intel actually did put more fins on the skylake heatsink, I do not know.
Thinner metals also dissipate heat more efficiently than thicker metals.
On my computer the Heatsink fan combined thick copper rod from top to bottom is surrounded by aluminum fins
Able to cool down TDP86Watt CPU to 47 ° C when doing CPU Stress testing
A little surprised that there is not huge copper cpu cooler yet.
Intel is becoming a monopoly, hopefully AMD will will this year
Very prescient words 👍
Jumping from LGA 775 to LGA 1150 was a huge leap for me. Hell, I was use to being able to have decent OC headroom on the stock cooler, because they were actually built quite well. On the stock cooler for my 4690k, it would reach 85c in moments of launching a game on stock clocks. Intel really did cheap out with these lightweight garbage coolers, that will only keep it cool enough if your web surfing. Installed a 212 evo, at 4.2 ghz overclock it doesn't go over 55c. Kinda sad... but it is what it is.
so in short copper heatsink's are more of having to cool the CPU better? than aluminum one? I've replaced my aluminum heatsink with a stock copper intel one's
I've been using an Ivy Bridge i5-3550 since 2012, and until about a week ago, I was using the stock Intel heatsink with the copper slug. I never had any problems with CPU thermals, at least that I could tell. It would rarely go past, say, 65 Celsius. My GPU on the other hand, a GTX 660ti, would regularly heat up to over 82 degrees. I'm not sure if it ever thermal throttled, but it certainly was alarming.
I just upgraded to a GTX 1070 and it has yet to surpass 57 degrees Celsius. I also swapped out the stock heatsink for a Cooler Master Hyper 212X, and my CPU package now hangs around the mid 50s under load. Obviously, with a non-K i5, I'm not overclocking, so this new heatsink wasn't anywhere close to a necessity, but I still picked it up for three reasons: 1: I now feel more comfortable with turning my case fans down to low and medium, thus lowering the noise in the room, because on high my case sounds like a jet engine; 2: I plan on getting a new motherboard and CPU when the Kaby Lakes launch, and with an overclockable i7 I'll definitely need the better heatsink; 3: I think it looks cool.
Obviously people are often on a budget, but I always advise friends to sink the extra $30 into a good heatsink. Especially given Intel's tendency to skimp out lately.
While the thinner fins do make it easier to break, don't they also allow for quicker heat distribution/dissipation? After all, it's much easier to cool a thin sheet of copper with a surface area of 25 square inches than it is to cool a one cubic inch block of copper.
Thicker fins have more surface area, and thus more contact with air. The number of fins between both coolers is the same.
assuming a budget build you have to use the cpu that comes with the respective cooler not the same cpu for both coolers. the evaluating of how good they are is cool and whatever but it doesn't matter, what matters is how each cpu does with its own stock cooler. if the tdp is lower than less cooler is required to get the same already pretty much fine temperatures
Aren't they using "lighter" coolers because of the lack of integrated voltage regulator, that went back to the motherboard with Skylake?
Haswell had it, so they had to go a bit harder on cooling.
Some do not ship with coolers (enthusiast cpus) I think Intel knows that people use aftermarket coolers to get cut back on the cooler that is just going to stay in the box.
If you need to use the stock cooler, it will work, just not really well.
just a thought
To be honest, I went Skylake because it was cheaper than Haswell at the time. But looking at the system, everything is now on DDR4, with the 151 socket, so for the cost, upgrades will be cheaper since it will just mean getting a new 1151 processor later, where 1150 is at the end of its life. Stock cooler being what it is, that upgrade when I go to a K series processor later is easy to bear.
From what I can recall, Intel's Haswell ran hot. That's why the reiterated Devil's Canyon ie; 4790, appeared. It had a better heat dye design. Maybe that's why Intel included the copper slug variant for that series. That would make sense.
As I showed in the video, the 4460 and 6400 both operate at similar temperatures.
I would be interested in seeing the temperature difference between Haswell's cooler on a Haswell CPU and its Skylake equivalents. If this allows them to run within a similar TDP envelope, I don't see the issue.
Also, as I understand it wouldn't the thickness of the blades have little to do with heat transfer? If only they used that reduction in thickness to add more blades...
+nunchucker An increase in blade thickness increases surface area, which accelerates heat dissipation.
At 4:40 I noticed that with the aluminum-only cooler you not only had higher temperatures but also significantly higher CPU fan rpms and thus more noise generated.
I usually never use the stock cpu coolers since their fans are usually low quality ones that make more noise than almost any aftermarket cooler with it's fan turned down (giving about the same performance). Noise is a much bigger factor for me than a couple of degrees of temperature.
Yep. Like I said, I would only recommend those on the barest of budgets use the stock cooler. It's essentially a "last-resort."
I actually changed my thoughts about the situation after watching this video. If a CPU that cant be overclocked maxes out at 60 degrees that doesnt seem like an issue to me.
U r right.
Sucks to know Intel is cutting costs for more profit (or less lost profit, depending on how you look at it) by ditching the copper.
For these non-k SKUs, it's not a big deal that they went with all aluminum for the stock coolers. The difference isn't big enough to warrant getting up and arms about it.
Please, what keyboard is that. I have an all white and black setup, except for the keyboard. Please...
I just built a system around a Kaby Lake i5 and I'm almost certain its stock cooler is gonna be less than ideal and loud as well. If it's as bad as I expect, I'll grab myself a Noctua tower cooler and be done with it.
I have an old silver dollar that's worn smooth... I'm wondering if I could put this between cooler and cpu +thermal paste and if it would transfer heat better?
The Sandy Bridge CPUs also have that copper base plate. I also think that because of Intel's confidence on Skylake's lower 'nm' technology, it cheapened the stock coolers. Fine I guess.
I remember back in the LGA775 days my old C2D E6700 cooler was about twice as thick as the new ones and had a huge copper slug. it was actually a really nice cooler and was even good for some decent overclocking. I don't think I've seen a better stock Intel cooler in all this time which is pretty sad considering how much we pay for them.
The Skylake processor I bought didn't include a heatsink at all (6600k). How did you get one with yours? Is intel including coolers with their processors again?
+Ryan Toomey My 6600K didn't either. Only non-K variants still come with heatsinks.
If I recall correctly, Intel has stated that most people who would buy an overclockable processor use a 3rd party cooling solution, so it makes sense they'd cut down on their own coolers. And if you're on a budget, I'm not sure buying an overclockable CPU is the best idea - you do invest in some longevity there, but odds are your other budget components won't allow you to take much advantage of it. But don't take my word for it, I still don't know much about these things.
my i5 6500 probably is solid aluminum didnt notice when i installed but my processor runs about 55c at full load about 30-35 at idle and still turbo boosts up to 3.5-3.6 ghz. love my little skylake its a great cpu for 200$
it's worth noting that the haswell copper slug cooler is hollow on the inside. I popped the fan off and there's a thumb sized indentation.
+Golden Grenadier Yes, I'm aware. However, it still works much better than the all-aluminum one, according to my results.
+Science Studio I wonder if temps would be even better if the cavity were filled with metal. I'd love to pour molten metal into it and test the temps(after the metal cooled of course)
Have you seen the old LGA 775 stock coolers for the Pentium Extreme Editions? It makes the copper slugs on modern Intel stock coolers just look like sleeves. They are also double the height!
+Nicholas Williams
Indeed. Also those CPUs is way less efficient releasing way more heat, which then demands the bigger coolers.
Of course, but it would be nice to keep decent coolers for modern cpus too.
How about the noise diffrence between these two under load?
So just use the last generation cooler. Right?
The last Intel chip I got , Intel Boxed Core I7-6700K. It did not even come with a heat sink. I only noticed this the next day after I ordered. So I still could order a nice heat sink before the CPU arrived.
+VanGilder Michael The 6600K and 6700K do not come with heatsinks included. Neither did mine.
It's the same for AMD. Some of their heatsinks have copper slugs, the higher tier ones even have copper pipes, some are plain aluminium. They just gauge what works and what doesn't and go with what is most cost effective. If the TDP of the CPU doesn't require a copper slug or copper pipes, why include them in a stock, non-overclocking heatsink? And aren't thinner fins better for heat transfer?
Your test shouldn't have used the stock paste, since that's probably aged and doesn't have the properties that it used to when brand new.
Heyyo, nice find man! That is disappointing to see a weaker cooler on Skylake but I think the biggest temperature difference was 5 degrees which isn't as bad as I thought the results would be. I guess in the end it'll matter if people wants the most performance possible or lower temps. I myself I have an MSI R9 390 Gaming 8G overclocked to 1120MHz... so I'm definitely more price to performance than tdp and temps heh. :P
Completely understandable! It's all give-and-take in the PC realm.
Does that one Phanteks fan mounted in the top make any noise? Any clicking noise to be exact?
Cause those fan are known to make that sort of noise when mounted horizontally.
No clicking sounds or abnormalities thus far. I'll be doing it again in my Xeon build so we'll see if it happens next time.
Science Studio That's very nice to hear, thank you very much.
Stock Intel coolers are crap. Most upgrades I just throw them in a bin. They just seem to be getting smaller and cheaper. My last big upgrade I purchased a 4790k, stress tested with stock cooler, temps were up to TJMax in no time. Got a corsair H100i, brought temps down to 55C max stress testing (idles at room temp lol). Whisper quiet now too!
i don't think the temp difference is enough to want to get the older CPU, MB & ram if you are building a new pc...
My point was, both the 6400 and 4460 platforms perform identically in gaming. I have a video covering this as well. Both in their barebones formats are also nearly identical in price. So all else aside, opting for Haswell and using the stock cooler will yield cooler temperatures. It doesn't mean you shouldn't choose Skylake.
+Science Studio yes I understand what you were saying. I was only stating that if the price is the same and performance is almost the same (for gaming) if the temp is only about 5 degrees C difference I would think getting the newer system would for out weigh that difference in temp in the long run.. now if you already have the older system then their would no reason to update unless you are going for more power like a 6600k. it was just a different point of view. you did say leave a comment. :)
+Gary Pierantoni Thank you for doing so! :-) I enjoy the discussions.
No one uses the stock cooler for reasons other than testing and quick fitting so no big deal. I choose the CPU based on benchmarks, socket and GHz not by the type of junk in the box.
Im overclocking an i7 930 to 3.3 no turbo with a modded Intel copper slug cooler , it gets a little too hot around 80c , I have a proper cooler on the way but Id say if you are going to stress your computer out a lot get a better cooler for sure, a guy like my dad who goes online and plays Candy Crush doesnt need anything better than the stock one IMO
What concern me a lot is not about the temperature differs from different cooler. As long as CPU core temperature doesn't reach 70 degree, it may not damage the CPU anyway. However i insist throw away the Intel cooler since its spinning very loud when i tried over clocked my G3258 to 4.0g. The stock coolers doing fearly well but the noisy like jet plane.
+Leon Li But only because you overclocked it.
Intel stock coolers are really bad, temps are going 80 degrees when I play The Witcher 3 with my nonk 4690, so now I'v got hyper 212 and everything is cool.
4:11 why did you label i9 on the Cpu I'm confused
I wonder how a pure silver (418.0 w/mk) heatsink would affect CPU cooling, seeing how it has higher thermal conductivity compared to 6061 T6 aluminium (167.0 w/mk) and copper (388.0 w/mk).
+Sivart Yenalb ya diamond powdered silver sync
XD
also check out the fans and the amps on them... the g3258 had a nice heatsink and it had a delta fan :) others use nidec servo
Having thinner fins actually is better for a cooler. Less material means the heat gets distributed quicker throughout the body of the heatsink and also there is more surface area per mass, which helps with heat dissipation. Yes, not having a copper slug sucks, but Intel seems to at least try to compensate by improving the rest of the heatsink.
Thinner fins results in a lower surface area and thus lower heat dissipation rate.
Does it really matter? It still runs in the operating range. If you're running a stock cooler, you're not overclocking your CPU. You're probably not overclocking your GPU. Having your case a little cooler (assuming your case has proper airflow to take advantage of the better heat dissipation) is of no real benefit.
+JaySee5 Now that this video brought me ideas... Higher temps in a laptop world is more burn to your skin, even though they place multiple warnings of 'do not operate laptop on lap', I wouldn't even know anyone that has actually read that warning.... plus higher temps = more cpu fan time = battery drain.
+Tyee Cambrón Huh? This is about a desktop cpu and heatsink/cooler. Laptop coolers are not made by Intel.
Oh k
it bothers me how your monitor is slightly leaning forward....
Has any body ever done research into CPU life span, with in different and small graduations of heat increase ?
Then basically this makes no diff and the company is just making adjustments to manufacturing to either enhance profit or maintain price?
ThePsiGhost Then basically this makes no diff and the company is just making adjustments to manufacturing to either enhance profit or maintain price?
ThePsiGhost Thanks
I like this video because I been asking the question, 'Is aluminum a better cooling material than copper?'. I'm planning to rebuild my Vega64 gpu and they are notoriously hot running cards at overclocked temperatures. Therefore knowing which material used for cooling small vrm, mosfet and ram is essential knowledge. Good work, bud.
Intel is aware is that vast majority of custom PC builders are going to replace the stock cooler, so there is some pretty massive savings to be had by reducing the cost of the included cooler package. The engineering team has a goal of reducing cost and making the product work efficiently, which based on the temperatures you recorded...they are still accomplishing. While 5-6 C difference is certainly significant, the CPUs were still far from the 80C core clock reduction temperature where things start to hairy for the architecture inside. Its the same mentality of paying $100 more for a card that runs 80 fps vs 60 fps...the real world impact on the gaming experience is marginal despite the 33% increase. I say bravo to Intel for spending time to reduce their thermal margins, cost, and manufacturing complexity. All in all, good vid, thanks!
Obviously most will choose to custom-cool (which I recommend), but for those using the stock cooler, this is a let-down. Thanks for watching!
Glad i subscribed - you're the man ... that's the kind of things that rub smart
buyers the wrong way, but its hard to tell definitely by just assuming.
i5 4590 Copper / i5 6500 Aluminum / i5 2400 Copper
^ unless you live in the desert waste of money to go more than for stock coolers
Great video. I have a leftover copper slug from my 1231 V3, I think I will give it to my bro when he gets his i3 6100.
Awesome video! I didnt know that they switched the stock cooler! I subscribe to tons of computer tech channel and not one of them mentioned this change and the effects it has. Im glad you covered it!
I appreciate it! Thanks for the view.
hello ! can you help me pls ? i have an intel stock cooler and an i7 6700k .my be quiet dark rock 3 wont arrive till friday .the question is can i use the stock cooler whith the 6700k ? pls help me
so you compared 2 different cooler designs, and attribute ALL the differences to the core of the cooler, even though the fans are running at different speeds and they have different design and sizes on the fins...
while building a streaming machine for my room i also took notice of this 'all aluminum' bs. still had an i5 heatsink with the copper slug saved somewhere so i just popped the fan from the i3 onto the heat sink from the i5 stock cooler and called it a day. seems to be working fine so far.
I'm always recommending after market coolers.. There's a budget to fit all situations and setups.. Copper or not, it's worth $33-$120 for air or liquid..
I have i5 6400 stock cooler just cant afford aftermarket right now do I need a aftermarket to keep it safe ive seen my temp at 60 while gaming
That's an odd move, the Sandy and Ivy Bridges, Haswell, i5 and above all have the copper-type cooler, while the i3 and lower, have the aluminium-type cooler.
why i think that hole is for vapor cooling and air coller
Yes... But maybe the temperatures on equivalent SKUs between Haswell and Skylake were lower so Intel decided to keep temperatures the same so they needed to spend less on materials for the full aluminium cooler?
TL;DR Are the temperatures on equivalent SKUs in Skylake and Haswell with their shock cooler very similar?
In reference to your first statement; I said that in the video. The point is, they cheapened their coolers. Plain and simple.
Can you do a video focusing on the advantages of Skylake over the previous gen(s)?
I've already uploaded several head-to-head comparisons.
I also don't think it makes sense to buy a Skylake chip at this point. It's only a little faster at the same clock, but the same price points have lower clocked CPUs than Haswells so the Skylakes are actually slower and also not to mention the more expensive Skylake motherboards and DDR4. Anyways Intel still manufactures their Haswells it seems, a new i5 4590 I bought has the new Skylake sticker and was manufactured recently.
+acnfanmanin The skylake motherboards and ram are almost the same price now, the cpus are not *that* much more expensive anyways. I think if you are going from Lynnfield, Sandy bridge, or Ivy-bridge then going to Skylake is worth it if getting a K series CPU but I don't think going to Skylake is worth it if your coming from Haswell or Haswell-E.
SpydreX Official It might be different on where you live
I just bought an i7 4790. Is it better for me to use something like a hyper 212 or will the stock cooler with copper slug suffice? Thanks!
Who runs stock heat sync?
Here is a question I have, why does copper make things cooler, isnt it conductive and trap heat?
After all this is why copper is used in some kettles and cookware, it is supposed to be better at trapping heat.
Why would not aluminum be the better substance?
If you know how metals work in metallurgic studies then copper is a poor material to use.
+Ralph Bromley This is thermo 101. Copper doesn't "trap" heat more efficiently - it "transfers" heat more efficiently. It's the reason the MacLaren F1's engine bay is lined with gold and not aluminum; gold transfers heat much better than aluminum, as does copper.
What song is that in the background?
the new amd wraith coolers are what all stock coolers should be imo
atleast when paying over 100$ for a cpu
What should I do with this Q8300 Should I just scrap it and buy a whole new system, or should I get a board that supports ddr3, And put a gpu and use it as a rendering machine?
I think if they're cheaping out anyways, why not drop the cooler completely from the package. I ran my 4460 with the copper heatsink for a while but man is it loud even at idle. Bought a pure rock for 30$ and I can't hear it even under load, sure it's overkill, but there are also cheaper aftermarket coolers that are less noisy (I think I once bought an arctic cooling one for 12$ that was dead silent at idle). I'm pretty sure that stock coolers only come in Pre-built cheapo systems and in business PCs where every $ counts, but for them they could sell the piles of shit separately in bulk.