Yuki >> Gojo, Toji and Kaorijaku Toji was scared to fight a full power Gojo and didn't know who would win, Geto is obvious and Kenjaku? he doesnt't have DE as womb profusion is Geto's (confirmed by Yuta using Gojo's domain in his body) , and his cursed technique output and amount would be lower as Gojo mistook Kenjaku for Geto even when he should have been able to tell apart the cursed energy. and Geto never used Domain Expansion against Yuta because he wasn't trying to kill Rika and Domain Expansion wasn't a concept in Gege's mind yet.
The worm curse rejected Geto not because it was too attached to Toji, but because he was its master, this is when he learnt that he had to kill the curses original owner, which is why he wanted to kill Yuta to take Rika, he literally explains this in the movie, and I think Kenjaku reiterates it
principal yaga got snubbed so hard yall forget the only reason he wasn’t special grade was because he didn’t want to be targeted he can create army’s of panda level cursed corpses
@@yaboiplank6764Shrine is not an average technique. It's designed for perfect CE efficiency with cleave and invisible slashes that cannot be perceived by most of the cast. Then there's the arrow that just hits hard af and gives him a bit of variety. It can be also used to grab blades without directly making contact and kinda like a double jump. Also JJK ≠ Bakugan. How much skill can carry you in a fight is a case by case thing for both character and verse.
1:53 This might be the worst aging statement in JJK history😭 -We know Kenjaku aint swapping hands with Gojo in any form. -Also now we know what that "Grip strength" is for
4:55 "... he [Kenjaku] quite obviously lacks the physicals to compete with anyone" gege himself said that kenjaku is the second best hand to hand combatant in the series (behind adult gojo) iirc (and id believe it with the whole being alive for 1000 years thing)
I honestly believe pre awaken gojo would figure out a domain expansion by being in someone’s domain. The same way he figured out rct by being on the brink of death. If you can’t instantly kill gojo he’s tough to deal with .Gojo has mahoraga like qualities in the way he learns mid battle .
something i noticed he missed was that he said gojo would be cooked in a domain. he had falling blossom which intercepts the domains sure hit. the only reason it didnt work on sukunas as well is because its literally one of the most refined domains in the verse. look at the squid dudes fight when naobito uses it it shows how useful it is
It was established (I'm 99% sure) that to take a cursed spirit, it'd have to be non-bonded, i.e. no master/Cursed individual. That's why the inventory spirit rejected him at first (master/servant bond) and Rika needed to be unbound to Yuta. If it was as simple as getting near Rika OR the inventory curse, Geto would have won in both scenarios.
Nah yuki is one imo, he had no chance outside of her not using domain and that’s how he viewed it, so that speaks for her speed as far as I’m concerned plus everyone thinking that they can’t win if she didn’t and her being weakened is by a attack stronger than maximum meteor- plus gege implies in the fan book that kenjaku could have beaten toji and not Gojo prior to him taking Getos body
domain expansion even without barrier can still go on for a minute and the only reason gojo lost is because sukuna destroyed it's barrier from the outside, if kenjaku can fight yuki while he destroy the barrier outside then he wins, but if yuki lands a single blow to kenjaku then I'm sure he would lose @@generalpork
Weird way to format the video. It felt like 2 separate videos taped together. No debate on your different interpretations of Kenjaku, Toji, and Yukis powers. Make a follow up that’s a debate with blaze on the topic.
Kenjaku was in a different body and Yuki is not beating toji as toji has equal stats to current maki who is able to dodge and jump around cursed noaya casually and land serious blows against him toji would be able to do the same thing and Yuki is at or below adult getos stats her technique is also too straightforward and she does not scale to her black hole
@@yaboiplank6764yuki had prep but the prep was terrible and ended up with her taking way more damage then she should have in a fight without the domain yuki would have won pretty easily so why not bring another person that can do domain expansion we seen what happens when three domains clash.
@@Nathan24634 umm no naoya is faster than maki the whole point of the fight was maki to learn pre cog. In fact urame who is below kenjaku can contend and fight maki and hakari who are equals kenjaku physicals are better than makis. So the fact that yuki could contend and beat kenjaku in a one on one match without domains is insane and for fighting people like maki or toji she has speed to not beat them in a race but to react and counter and one hit is all it takes
@@emmanuelakande3563 the thing is the precog is always active and what allows them to do that also uraume just caught maki off guard and hasn't fought her since maki also actually tangoed with sukuna and took a black flash with some damage twice she also has air hops all of these are given to toji and Yuki was relative to kenjaku no domains sure but kenjaku has worse physicals than maki does by far I am sorry
Putting Credit on Yuki, her speed is NOT as bad as yall say. She was mauling Kenny, the best h2h in the verse, while she is basically almost dead considering she endured Kenjaku's surehit. Also, she has a shikigami, basically a spammable meteor on her kit, you can't tell us that she is weak af when Gege had to write her out of the story just to make Shinjuku showdown possible
"Best H2H in the verse" I only have a problem with that statement alone because Gojo was able to fight Agito, Mahoraga, and Sukuna at once, along with Sukuna in his heian form who has 4 arms.
@@janstefaniuk2977nah at this point put Yuji on the pedestal. Gojo clearly gold, Sukuna silver and Yuji bronze. Kenny just didn’t show the feats in order to put him on the pedestal 🤷🏻♂️
Yuki, even though shes like on her mid 30's, she landed a ton of consistent hits on kenjaku who is more than 1000 years old, who's mastered like 80% of existing and heian era martial arts like boxing, kung fu, karate and more. And yuki was still able to survive even split in half, long enough to create a blackhole that could have eaten up the whole planet, if kenjaku didnt use his asspull.
There's something odd about putting Yuki this high on "that era" despite the fact all her feats aren't from before Gojo awakaned and there's no reason to believe Yuki's CT proficiency wasn't also unlocked along the way after Gojo awoke.
Yuki is easily mopping Toji. Yuki got a blind spot sure, and her hit was still blocked. HOWEVER, Kenjaku easily reacted to Yuta’s inital sneak attack, and actually dodged it. So Yuki is no bum in speed. Also, Yuki is also just as smart if not smarter, Yuki researched the soul, deduced Kenjaku’s gravity intervals.
And toji is equal to maki in stats maki who is casually dodging around cursed noaya who is faster than noabito who was the fastest besides gojo Yuki also has worse durability because of maki's feats and toji had precog and a much better kit they can both basically one tap each other but one is more likely to land the hot than the other and that goes to toji
Kenjaku did not easily react to Yuta’s sneak attack. He turned around because he’s senses were no longer affected and wasn’t too focused on Takaba. He sensed Yuta’s immense cursed energy then tried to active reverse gravity but Yuta was able to cut him down before his CT was even able to activate
Both Yuki and Kenjaku don’t apply to the statement of Naobito being the 2nd fastest. Yuki was a mystery among even the higher ups who probably made that statement . Kenjaku’s existence also was never known until Shibuya. Yuta also wouldn’t rly apply since he was away in Africa and trained to special grade lvl. That statement holds no real relevance with the character’s previously discussed.
Kenjaku still reacted to a sneak attack that should have killed him? Kenjaku had more time to react to Yuki and even then instead of dodging, (even after knowing her technique) he opted to block, because he could not dodge in that instance.
@@NotMaxWhoDat yeah they sorta would because kenjakus stats in getos body are equal to getos stats and a weaker Yuta was somewhat relative to that geto
I was pretty hard in the kenjaku camp being the strongest before gojo awakened however I was really swayed with the narrative element of toji being lonely and misunderstood/unseen that really does track with the themes of the strongest in JJK. I think that's really fitting and I'm swayed.
Anime only here but correct me if I’m wrong: gojo didn’t just gain RCT He figured out how to teleport, as well as how to automate his limitless so he doesn’t have to manually control it, and then automated rct to constantly be running for his six eyes and finally gained purple with red. So an ultimate defense, extreme movement, a healing factor, unlimited use of his broken perception, and a dang near unstoppable attack. Man killing him buffed him to high heaven. Edit: comments have corrected me, thought I’d add it here for clarity. This is the difference between gojo “the strongest character in the verse” and gojo “top tier”. It took more than just rct for him to become unbeatable, I hope this shows that.
I think most of these he learned weeks if not months after his awakening. The awakening obviously sped up the grind quite a bit but I'd count only RCT, red and purple as the things he figured out the instant he awakened
@@janstefaniuk2977 wouldn’t say weeks or months personally because we saw that a year later he said he finally mastered all of it and proved it to shoko and geto
@@farsous10 I mean, I didn't say that he learned everything in a full month or week. I said that some of it he may have learned in several months or even weeks if he was lucky, but it just took him a full year to learn everything.
Idk its a toss up. Toji was probaly the most dangerous man alive but infinity is such a hassle to deal with even without prior to his awakening. So its probably gojo. He needed that plan to weaken gojo and researched his abilities as opposed to geto who got dogwalked by toji.
Short answer: probably yuki. Kenjaku didn’t have curse spirit manipulation and just only his domain and antigravity technique, paired with his weaker physique, he probably gets one or two shotted by yuki
Toji is definitely stronger than pre awakening gojo, even without prep time. toji states that a post awakening gojos red and blue are not an issue for him, which is why gojo used purple.
@@upliftlizard1715 based on the fact that he literally knew he should have ran away the movement he could tell gojo levelled up. And he didn’t exactly rank red, he used his spear to try and negate it and it reduced the impact. I can’t say a character a is stronger than the character b if character a needed an entire plan to nerf him before the fight starts
@@farsous10 he literally said before that "something was wrong", after saying red and blue are no problem, he could tell gojo had something else up his sleeve, which he did
@@upliftlizard1715 it still wouldn’t change the fact he’s not confident enough to fight him 1v1 without prep time, cuz his senses would be able to not let toji get to him
If Yuki were not nerfed by the plot, she could destroy the planet with one kick, the limit of lasa that she can apply is 10 times the mass of the sun (1.989 x 10³⁰)x10 kg, and we know that that is the limit because if it were less there would be been instantly crushed long before reaching the mass needed for the black hole
11:03 bro on my mommas I’ve been telling people this for literal years. People always say “but if she hits you” like yeah right bro her speed might as well be mud what good is all that power if you never gonna connect.
Gojo saying that he's the strongest and the same for geto doesn't mean they're on the same level it just means that geto is stronger than everyone else (except yuki of course because hardly anyone know anything about her)
Saying Yuki was “off guard” is dramatically inaccurate. He had plenty of time to react. And nerfed output also means nerfed speed, so yeah, safe to say Kenny’s not even close to Yuki physically. And Toji preparing for Gojo is deliberately implied to be because he has no idea how fast or strong he is and doesn’t like taking chances. Not because he couldn’t beat him otherwise
Gojo is stronger than Toji even before awakening. Toji could kill him only with preporations,without the element of surprise, he would have lost the battle. In their next battle, it was shown that Toji can't even make scratch on him, plus he can fly and have infinite amount of curse energy, who really had chance to kill him before awakening is Jogo because he had domain
@@Terhe jogo wasnt alive then, and that was a POST awakened gojo you're speaking about. the PRE awakened gojo, which is the main topic of this video. toji realistically slams
@@moon-gv4ol in a no prep, fully rested 1v1 between pre awakened Gojo and Toji, Gojo probably wins. Obviously after the awakening Gojo slams. But Toji won due to his preparation - if he could "slam" Gojo without tiring him for days, he would've killed Gojo long before Amanai got anywhere near Tengen. Not to mention Gojo needed to protect Amanai, which Toji used as a distraction to sneak him. No it wouldn't be a 100% Gojo victory like it is post awakening, but without all the disadvantages Gojo had in that fight against Toji, realistically Gojo wins most of the time in a fair fight, due to his technique + the Six Eyes.
@@benboothroyd1523 I'd like to quickly mention that Toji knew he was rusty, which is why he needed preparation timing. If we doing no surprise, fully rested Gojo, then why not unrusty toji? Also the other reason why toji needed preparation time was to get the cursed tools all in place, he needed to know who he was fighting and what tools he needed to kill the duo. The reason why Gojo didn't DIE against toji was honestly because of two main reasons. 1, plot. 2, toji genuinely thought bro was dead, HE HAD HIM RIPPED APART FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
I really find it strange how pre awakening Gojo and Geto were known as the strongest when Yuki existed. Like they had no rct and they had no counter to a domain
The thing is yuki never went on missions, the higher ups don’t have intel on her ct and gojo and geto had no idea what she’s capable of. So as far as those two and the rest of the sorcerer world, yuki is special grade by title but no one actually knew how strong she was. In hindsight tho she was probably the strongest back then unless you wanna make a case for toji. Either way she was definitely stronger than geto back then and probably gojo too if we assume she was as strong then as she is in anime timeline
I think all the top 3 listed (Kenjaku, Toji, Yuki) have a claim to top 1. Yuki WAS lonely, by the way: she was the lone Special Grade who didn't fit in with anybody else, with jujutsu sorcery as a whole. Both Toji and her are dislocated in a sense. Unless Toji assassinates Yuki (which he may or may not be able to: we don't get to know if Toji gets to easily assassinate literally any sorcerer other than Gojou and Sukuna), she stands a chance of soloing him in a head on fight.
@@AR15ORIGINAL Yuki however is a bum with no responsibilities that wouldn't be baby sitting Riko and also doesn't need to waste much energy on assassins since she could just speed blitz them and blow up their head instantly.
ngl, Gojo was still probably the strongest before his awakeking, but if not him then Toji. Kenjaku could be top 1-2 depending on the hody he had since his domain should still be top 1, so as long as his vessel isnt a glass cannon he could be top 2 maybe 3
after he tried to take tojis curse nd failed because the bond between curses nd master disregards the strength requirement for CSM to take the curse . thats why he wanted to kill yuta then take rika
You're never convincing me that that wasn't some BS plot armor that Kenjaku had during the Yuki fight. It was wwaaayyy Too convenient that he had the Gravity Cursed Technique and CT Reversal to perfectly counter Yukis black hole.
3:06 Gojo was definitely not a Special Grade xd. He bacame a Special Grade one year after his Awakening not before... 5:25 Damn Toji at number 4 is absolutely ridiculous when he was the strongest back then ☠️. Restless you cooked in this video, absolutely W peak list! ✋🙂↕️ Although saying Geto is below Yuji's Mom for a feat Kenny did using the output of Getos body is diabolical 😩
@@LoudYapper are you saying toji could have beaten gojo straight up? Also they acknowledged that the official ranking system is flawed and they already rank gojo special grade based off feats (I.e he easily beats toji if equal prep)
In fairness, Toji only got close to Gojo after two days of constant cursed technique usage, and Toji using a special grade cursed tool. He still relies on the power system, like every other character who is “outside” of the power system
She refused it cuz then her ct output would be lowered so she prioritized trying to land hits on him with as much force as possible. She ended up using it eventually
It was gojo himself If toji was stronger than gojo then he wouldn't have needed to tire him out by forcing him to stay awake for many days His battle prep was also really well planned and crazy Gojo was the strongest even before the hidden inventory fight
For the open of the vid, I would say Gojo and Geto were the strongest, but together. Toji loses the 2v1 for sure, and if Gojo and Geto had any sort of anti-domain measure, they’d probably have a chance against Yuki or Kenjaku too (especially Kenjaku). Yuki to me is far more contentious due to her insane stat advantage over everyone else.
@@farsous10 not sure about toji vs jogo. The domain for one thing. Then there is his maximum meteor and fucking lava pillers. And he can fly using his firebugs. It would depend on who is jumping who. If toji can close the distance or if the fight is in a closed off area he has a chance, but otherwise I don't see it based on hax.
@@kammelo569 his domain is useless on toji, closed barrier domains which is pretty much every single domain except for sukuna’s and kenjaku’s, don’t work on him. So pulling out a domain on him wouldn’t do anything. The meteor also would only do damage it it lands but toji’s too fast for it to land the attack, if you have someone like kusakabe survive it then toji being faster than even a projection sorcerers user would survive it even easier. The big shikigamis are not dealing too much damage if it hits as well. Plus if toji uses his inverted spear or soul split then it deals so much damage to jogo, not only can one of it negate cts but the other would negate their durability, since soul split deals damage to the soul which you can’t heal unless you perceive your soul
@@farsous10 Ok I give you the meteor,but the domain thing is wrong. Vs dragon Megumi was stopping the sure hit and with Maki sukuna had a vow that the domain would only attack things with cursed energy so he isn't immune. From here it depends if he has weapons out. That worm would get destroyed the moment he takes it out so whatever he has is what he gets. If it's invented spear he could break out by running to the end of the domain. Otherwise he is cooked. Jogo is definitely faster than dagon so he might not be toji fats but he can avoid him until toji gets Miguel's racial buff even if he has the soul split. Again I think it depends on who jumps who and in a fair fight depends on what toji has as a weapon
@@kammelo569 that’s not how it works. The fight vs Dagon toji would have been able to walk in and out whether or not megumi was there or not. Megumi did what he did so that him and the others can escape Dagon’s domain, but even if he wasn’t there toji is able to freely walk in or out because closed barrier domains don’t and can’t recognize toji and manga maki since they have zero ce, so the domain treat them like buildings, which is why buildings never get trapped in a domain and why it won’t trap them in unless they choose to walk in, like maki did with naoya’s domain. The context of sukuna’s domain is different and specific, because his sure hit of cleave and dismantle allows him to target both things with ce, and things that aren’t ce. Every other domain’s sure hit targets anything that has ce, that’s why it’s impossible to trap toji/maki in a domain unless you’re sukuna since it’s open, and even then the only reason why sukuna’s domain will hit them is because one of the cleave/dismantle targets specifically non ce objects (maki and toji). So yea jogos domain is a useless effort, it wouldn’t be able to trap toji
Toji was clearly the strongest and here's why: 1) well geto got low diffed by toji 2) even after gojo awakened and got red toji literally was not scared of him and said that he could handle him he got surprised by purple that was the whole point and the only reason toji even nerfed gojo was bcs that would be way easier to take him out not to mention the fact that geto was there too also by this time it was somewhat implied to that geto and gojo were equals (not saying that they were) 3) kenjaku was still in yuji's mom's body i don't even have to compare them 4) yuki literally is way slower and weaker than toji now listen here naobito was stated to be the fastest after gojo naoya is equal to naobito's speed (since they're not really fast it's their ct) naobito became a curse and amped his speed massively and even after all this awakened maki who's equal to toji literally outsped curse naoya like it was nothing i mean she was literally laughing and enjoying her life while curse naoya was hard assing and trying to catch her yuki is not even close to toji's speed strength obviously is way above yuki's as well and his endurance is equal to maki who literally tanked 2 black flashes and amped slashes from sukuna not counting all the other attacks yuki stands no chance and all this while not even saying anything about his cursed tools like inverted spear of heaven or his soul split katana Toji is the goat before gojo and that is a fact 🐐
Toji and yuki are debatable. But to say toji wasn’t scared of gojo even after his power up is just objectively wrong. He himself knew that something was wrong and he instinctively should have ran away, but he stayed out of pride cuz he knew gojo became the strongest and he wanted to beat the strongest
@@farsous10He was literally smiling and getting cocky with Gojo, he got surprised by purple and that’s when he knew it was over for him. Had Gojo unlocked purple earlier it would’ve been a repeat of round 1 where Toji slams Gojo and he would’ve made sure he was dead. Toji couldn’t react because it was a completely different move. He wasn’t even shocked when he got hit by reversal red. He was confused on what the hell was wrong with Gojo, I think I remember the line that you’re talking about where he said his instincts were telling him to run however instincts aren’t always correct and Toji clearly had the courage and confidence to face him and he wasn’t scared. His instincts don’t equate to what he’s actually feeling in his head.
@@besi3ge how are you saying sometimes instincts are wrong when the story is telling you that toji’s instincts is literally what made him lose. He figured he’s fighting against someone who just became the strongest yet he stayed to fight out of pride, and lost.
@@farsous10 He lost due to the fact that he never knew Gojo had purple in his arsenal, not due to his instincts. His instincts told him to run, not that he was fighting someone who “became the strongest”. Again, Toji was not scared he was confused on what was going on with Gojo. I did not see one line saying Toji was in fear whatsoever in the anime or manga. His instincts were telling him to run, instincts do not equate to emotions and they can be wrong. His instincts never once mentioned he was fighting someone who has become the strongest, his instincts were simply telling him he should run.
It has to be Kenjaku ngl, wasn’t noritoshi kamo extremely evil and feared. On top of Yuji’s mom’s CT & countless others across 1,000 years. That man’s bag is so deep, i fail to see how he’s not an easy #1 when Gojo and Sukuna are not in the convo. Most people regard Kenny as #3 and i don’t think him not being in Geto changes that especially considering the entire cast is far weaker. Including the “strongest” he’d be facing
Jogo, the cursed spirit, he existed back in the preawakened gojo era. And he was told that he was equivalent to 8 to 9 fingers. And I doubt he was that much weaker back then since he’s 400 years ago
Damn don't remember that but if so then it's Jogo as we don't know if Yuki had her domain and Toji was kinda nerfed. But Jogo is not 8-9F level. That was Kenny being generous, and he was probably comparing them off of CE amount. He should be closer to 3-5 fingers if we are being real. Even Jogo questions the difference in power between him and Sukuna 15f. Bcz he isnt 8f level.
@@rodrigop2198 not 3 or 5, 7 at least. He destroyed a whole city block with one attack and had tons of cursed energy left to spare. tbh jogo vs peak Toji would be really close. I would argue that jogo would beat peak toji becuase jogo speed surpasses naobito by a longshot, and naobito was the current times fastest sorcerer before the shibuya incident
@HycWTViwant well, Naobito and Jogo are close in speed but Naobito lost an arm making him much slower as the narrator states in the manga and it's stated Naobito is faster than Jogo actually. Abt Jogo and Toji, bcz Jogo is slower than Toji and has a less comolicated technique, I don't doubt that with his insane precog that he could avoid all of Jogo's atacks and catch him eventually. 1 or 2 hits and Jogo is exorcised. This is bcz it's stated Jogo would die to teh atacks Hanami received in the good will event witch I doubt that Toji with special grade weapons wouldn’t replicate in 1 or 2 atacks. He would find a aay due to his superior BIQ. And domain doesn't work. + it's stated that he could have wiped the Zenij clan at any time witch means he can deal witth faster oponents pretty confortably. But this is who is stronger overall and not just who would win. Jogo should not be close to 7 fingers, CE amount is 1 thing, output and refinment is another, I don't think you are a manga reader bcz you should know how important this difference is. + Sukuna even at 1 finger should be able to destroy the same space, he has domain with 200 meters and the fire that is basically like a nuke. Jogo's is stronger but it's not bcz it destroyed a city is bcz it was stronger overall. He should be 3-5fingers judging by everything that happened in the manga tbh.
Kenjaku is number 1. everyone else aint doing anything against his domain. As long as kenjaku doesnt get sneak attacked by toji he wins against everyone. If toji attacks upfront then kenjaku just knocks him to the ground and pops domain which should kill, the same goes for everyone else except that they cant even sneak attack cuz they arent that fast
It was still gojo. Gojo before he awakens is still a tank and power house. Only thing he didn’t have was experience and toji had to pre exhaust him to beat him. Gojo didn’t need rct and a domain to beat almost everyone in the story.
@@ExplosiveGrape he’s much faster than him and Kenjaku doesn’t have things that instinct kill. Imo gojo is just a bad matchup for a guy like kenjaku . He’s going to evolve mid fight unless kenjaku can put him in a couple moves. We already know he can’t do it if it’s hand to hand so now it’s just a race to see if gojo learns purple mid fight. If pressed gojo will evolve.
@@ExplosiveGrape gojo has never been shown to get smashed and I’m not even sure anyone could (excluding the obvious). Your only showing of gojo really is him vs toji and toji had to completely tire him out for him to win. Domains are great but what is kenjaku doing against the massive speed and power gap? What about red and blue? If the only win con is domain I’ll take gojo figuring it out on the spot like he always does. Sakuna ,mahoraga ,rika, jogo..they could kill him without a domain . That’s the point .
Mabye a mistake But in number 4 there was toji AND Kenny But in number 1 there was also toji and Kenny And I think they mixed up the toji and Kenny part with each other
I immediately thought Kenny, but then I forgot he doesn’t have goto body so instant victory he might possibly still be the strongest but I don’t know probably yuki
I'd put Yuki and gojo tied. Gojo could catch Yuki while she unleashes her technique with hollow purple. Since hollow purple is an imaginary concept placed into reality. Yukis technique bypasses most of infinity excluding purple
i know im 2 days late but is it just me that has never heard people talking about that suguro geto cover from chapter 70 i might be wrong but is that not baphomets pose symbolizing as above so below ?
I can't accept Kaori as number one. Sure it's basically just Kenjaku, but Kaori probably gets bullied by everyone else on the list physically. Kenjaku himself mentions that battles of sorcery usually come down to the strength of ones body. Like we see in the Yujo fight, Yuta went from having to combo with Rika and Yuji to consistently land blows on Sukuna, to being able to fight on par with Sukuna 1v1 while still figuring out the controls, which shows just how massive of a difference your body makes. personally my ranking is: Toji, Yuki, Gojo, Kenjaku, Getou Kenjaku always loses to the six eyes plus limitless users so he'd probably get bodied again, especially in Kaori's body. Toji has been mooching off the goat Maki's feats and because of that gets number 1. Yuki is a special grade where as Gojo wasn't yet a special grade, he couldn't even use the 6 eyes for long without damaging his brain meaning his output likely drops the longer he's forced to keep the 6 eyes on, and Getou is a bum.
I don’t really get that, in jjk physical stats for most characters is basically just how efficiently you use your cursed energy. No matter the body kenjacku is in, he’ll still have the same cursed energy efficiency/ physical stats would he not?
@@TheMilkMan905 cursed energy reinforcement boosts your base stats, so the better base stats you have, the better your stats after being reinforced are. This is why for example, in shibuya, Megumi finds it hard to keep up with Yuji's speed, and Ino get so surprised Yuji can produce the same amount of force as overtime Nanami (who uses a binding vow to make himself stronger) They all use CE reinforcement but Yuji being superhuman in base gives him an advantage. So in this case Getou's body is a big upgrade to Kaori's. Getou's over 6ft tall with a very muscular build and he regularly trained in close quarters combat, while Kaori as far as we know was just a regular house wife prior to being taken over by Kenjaku since she was already engaged to Yuji's dad. Kenjaku can reinforce Kaori's body with CE but it will never be as strong as Getou's body reinforced with CE.
@@visionaryvjae5641 yuta’s power should debunk this theory, he tells you yuji himself that physically he’s weak and he compensates with cursed energy as you said but obviously he’s significantly stronger most people so I think it’s more about cursed energy manipulation plays a bigger part then physical stats, obviously they matter yuji is proof of this but how you use cursed energy is definitely the deciding factor and geto without cursed energy is anything special like yuji is so the difference in kaori and geto physically shouldn’t matter enough to change kenjacku’s stats within the bodies
@@TheMilkMan905 Yuta is an outlier him having the amount of CE he has is not a normal thing, like Yuji having the superhuman stats he has. When comparing people that aren't outliers physicals matter, remember that Gojo said he could lose to Miguel in a h2h fight with no CTs just CE reinforcement. I know Gojo ain't saying the same thing to Megumi, because we actually saw him dominate Megumi's body piloted by Sukuna in almost all h2h encounters. The difference between Miguel and Megumi is far closer than the gap between Getou (with the best physical body in the series besides, Toji, Maki, Yuji and Sukuna according to Gege) vs, as far as we know, a regular Japanese woman.
Technically they weren’t grade 1s cuz it was never shown or been told, whether narratively, told by other characters, by gojo and geto themselves or even in the fanbook. We have no idea what grade they were in hidden inventory apart from the 1 year timeskip where we know they’re special grades. But before the timeskip the only thing we know is that they’re 2nd years. But they were 98% probably special grades before the time skip, their ct is too op especially gojo so based on higher ups rule they both classify as special grades, especially since the whole sorcerer community know who gojo is how and how strong he was even before the power up. Geto himself didn’t gain a crazy power up in the 1 year difference if at all apart from gaining more curses and he’s considered special grade by then, so no reason why he wasn’t one a year prior
@@farsous10 in the flashback geto talks about the curse being grade 3 and himself grade 1. its narratively, and very strongly too, that they were =s, thus making Gojo grade 1, but they were definitely the strongest grades 1s. and if anything, Gojo probably started/was the reason "special grade" exists aside Yuki
Lmao this is hidden inventory arc timeline and before. Do you remember who kenjaku was in who’s body back then? You’re comparing kenjaku in present timeline in a topic where that’s not even the debate
@@farsous10 hello, I do stand directed on that. I forgot about the fact that it was hidden inventory. Though he would not have had Curse Manipulation, he would have had the technique of the body prior to Yujis mom, right?
@@MCWon212 yup you're right, he still kept yuji's mom's ct when he was in geto's body. So during the timeline of the hidden inventory he would have her gravity ct, tho im not exactly sure how strong that would make her/him in the power scale
Yuki is a strange one simply because we don't know or have reason to believe shes the same strength during the series as she is during the flashback. I doubt she could get thru infinity but i do think yuki has the durability to tank gojo for long enough thay her sure hit could do the trick. Too many unknowns to say for sure Prime toji likely washes gojo even while refreshed. Not really because of stats but i think gojo is to trusting of infinity to guard himans toji needs one clean hit. Being in his prime/unrusty should make him much faster aswell Kenjaku i think he doesn't have a chance gojo could just blue his way out of the domain the barrier is open😂 now hes left a sitting duck with low CE reserves and a burnt out technique Geto idk really
Kenjaku could just close his domain vs gojo, then he wins. And he uses open domain for yuki and toji to win those fights. Also gojo sucked at using blue for transport esspecially over long distances, he said he was working on improving it at the end of HI
@@generalpork literally only sukuna gojo and yuta have been shown to open multiple domains And only gojo and sukuna have been shown to change the barriers size and conditions on the fly So unless kenjaku just decide to lead with a closed domain that's not happening He's not beating yuki without CSM You didn't just say domain as a wincon against toji of all people right? Long distance is relative keep in mind a sprinting yuji was moving faster than a speeding car early in the series even if you lowball that feet that's still 25 is meters per second from s1 yuji It would take him 8 seconds to run out of sukunas domain I'm sure a gojo who should be faster would be able to get out of a smaller domain especially with blue to assist him. When gojo says long distance I believe he's referring to what he did vs jogo to pick up yuji or what he did to send panda and toge to yuta in jjk0 not somewhere in eyeshot
@@princemannicare we forgetting that apart from Tengen Kenjaku is the best barrier user so what makes you think he wouldn't be able to manipulate the barrier of his domain
Imma go with rika Gojo stated he would risk his life to stop her after he became the strongest which was a year before the current story which is a gojo more powerful than awakened gojo
@@lmao2302 hear me out yuta is like a year older than megumi He cursed rika as a child Gojo meets megumi right after geto leaves. Rika is 100% a thing at that time :)
We don’t stand for the yuki overrated!! But we cooked
she sucks ass!
Damn bruh 💀
Yuki >> Gojo, Toji and Kaorijaku
Toji was scared to fight a full power Gojo and didn't know who would win, Geto is obvious and Kenjaku? he doesnt't have DE as womb profusion is Geto's (confirmed by Yuta using Gojo's domain in his body) , and his cursed technique output and amount would be lower as Gojo mistook Kenjaku for Geto even when he should have been able to tell apart the cursed energy. and Geto never used Domain Expansion against Yuta because he wasn't trying to kill Rika and Domain Expansion wasn't a concept in Gege's mind yet.
Blaziken bro like your channel but gotta disagree with you restless had correct list
@@RestlessGamblrrshe is ass
Gojo went from difficult to kill to nearly impossible to kill. He definitely wasn't the strongest before his awakening.
Ya RCT was quite literally the barrier that differentiated him from human to a God. It cured his 6E exhausted and help him maximize 6E and his CT
He was
he and geto they are the strongest
@@NecessityExtentions nah Sukuna and Gojo are the strongest, there has been literally no one else to match them. Yuuji might but we still don't know
Still Tojo could beat if he did nt awaken so nah
The worm curse rejected Geto not because it was too attached to Toji, but because he was its master, this is when he learnt that he had to kill the curses original owner, which is why he wanted to kill Yuta to take Rika, he literally explains this in the movie, and I think Kenjaku reiterates it
Literally my first thought when he said thay
principal yaga got snubbed so hard yall forget the only reason he wasn’t special grade was because he didn’t want to be targeted he can create army’s of panda level cursed corpses
Kenjaku at 4 is criminal
Basically a necromancer.
Pretty sure he hadn't developed Panda yet
Restless, you really underestimate Kenjaku. The dude has 1000 years of experience
Your CT is 90% of your potential
@@yaboiplank6764 I feel you, but Cursed Spirit Manipulation is a massive amp because it's such a powerful CT.
@@yaboiplank6764Shrine is not an average technique. It's designed for perfect CE efficiency with cleave and invisible slashes that cannot be perceived by most of the cast. Then there's the arrow that just hits hard af and gives him a bit of variety. It can be also used to grab blades without directly making contact and kinda like a double jump.
Also JJK ≠ Bakugan. How much skill can carry you in a fight is a case by case thing for both character and verse.
Kamo Norotoshi Kenny = featess fodder 🥱
@@yaboiplank6764 no way bro just said shrine is an average technique. Those slashes are literally invisible and cleave can adjust to any durability
1:53 This might be the worst aging statement in JJK history😭
-We know Kenjaku aint swapping hands with Gojo in any form.
-Also now we know what that "Grip strength" is for
Well, i also remember gege stating kenjaku has equal H2H skills to gojo soo
Maki's Grip strength 😩
@@Manicboy8 gojo out stats him tho
@@basedpluto yea clearly, H2H skills isn't a stat though
4:55 "... he [Kenjaku] quite obviously lacks the physicals to compete with anyone" gege himself said that kenjaku is the second best hand to hand combatant in the series (behind adult gojo) iirc (and id believe it with the whole being alive for 1000 years thing)
Yea but in geto’s body, not in yuji’s moms body
Gege honestly can be the writer but what he shows is different to what he says.
thats in geto body un yuji mom is a miwa victim
I honestly believe pre awaken gojo would figure out a domain expansion by being in someone’s domain. The same way he figured out rct by being on the brink of death. If you can’t instantly kill gojo he’s tough to deal with .Gojo has mahoraga like qualities in the way he learns mid battle .
something i noticed he missed was that he said gojo would be cooked in a domain. he had falling blossom which intercepts the domains sure hit. the only reason it didnt work on sukunas as well is because its literally one of the most refined domains in the verse. look at the squid dudes fight when naobito uses it it shows how useful it is
Geto was significantly more powerful when he went after Rika that's probably why he was so confident
It was established (I'm 99% sure) that to take a cursed spirit, it'd have to be non-bonded, i.e. no master/Cursed individual. That's why the inventory spirit rejected him at first (master/servant bond) and Rika needed to be unbound to Yuta. If it was as simple as getting near Rika OR the inventory curse, Geto would have won in both scenarios.
After Geto got back up and the inventory curse crawled to him with toji dead, Geto was able to bond with it, using it in the 0 movie
Nah yuki is one imo, he had no chance outside of her not using domain and that’s how he viewed it, so that speaks for her speed as far as I’m concerned plus everyone thinking that they can’t win if she didn’t and her being weakened is by a attack stronger than maximum meteor- plus gege implies in the fan book that kenjaku could have beaten toji and not Gojo prior to him taking Getos body
Yuki was never going to win unless kenjaku just didn't DE. With or without that help, she just doesn't win against kenjaku due to DE
@@generalpork what are you talking about
domain expansion even without barrier can still go on for a minute and the only reason gojo lost is because sukuna destroyed it's barrier from the outside, if kenjaku can fight yuki while he destroy the barrier outside then he wins, but if yuki lands a single blow to kenjaku then I'm sure he would lose @@generalpork
But maybe she didn't have domain when Gojo was teen?
Weird way to format the video. It felt like 2 separate videos taped together. No debate on your different interpretations of Kenjaku, Toji, and Yukis powers. Make a follow up that’s a debate with blaze on the topic.
I'd wager it was yuki or kenjaku. Yuki mostly lost because of tengens mistake.
she would have lost a lot worse if tengen wasnt there
Kenjaku was in a different body and Yuki is not beating toji as toji has equal stats to current maki who is able to dodge and jump around cursed noaya casually and land serious blows against him toji would be able to do the same thing and Yuki is at or below adult getos stats her technique is also too straightforward and she does not scale to her black hole
@@yaboiplank6764yuki had prep but the prep was terrible and ended up with her taking way more damage then she should have in a fight without the domain yuki would have won pretty easily so why not bring another person that can do domain expansion we seen what happens when three domains clash.
@@Nathan24634 umm no naoya is faster than maki the whole point of the fight was maki to learn pre cog. In fact urame who is below kenjaku can contend and fight maki and hakari who are equals kenjaku physicals are better than makis. So the fact that yuki could contend and beat kenjaku in a one on one match without domains is insane and for fighting people like maki or toji she has speed to not beat them in a race but to react and counter and one hit is all it takes
@@emmanuelakande3563 the thing is the precog is always active and what allows them to do that also uraume just caught maki off guard and hasn't fought her since maki also actually tangoed with sukuna and took a black flash with some damage twice she also has air hops all of these are given to toji and Yuki was relative to kenjaku no domains sure but kenjaku has worse physicals than maki does by far I am sorry
Yuji glaze video next‼️ (3/100)
Bro gave up on hakari 😭😭
@@Dontaskanyquestionslol Long ago
Yuji my glorious king🔛🔝‼️‼️
restless gambler did you forget who hakai is lol
@@Unkown-z7z Hakari is a fucking bum
Putting Credit on Yuki, her speed is NOT as bad as yall say.
She was mauling Kenny, the best h2h in the verse, while she is basically almost dead considering she endured Kenjaku's surehit.
Also, she has a shikigami, basically a spammable meteor on her kit, you can't tell us that she is weak af when Gege had to write her out of the story just to make Shinjuku showdown possible
"Best H2H in the verse" I only have a problem with that statement alone because Gojo was able to fight Agito, Mahoraga, and Sukuna at once, along with Sukuna in his heian form who has 4 arms.
Kenjaku does not have the best hand to hand be fr
I'd say Kenny has the third best hand to hand, second being Sukuna and first being Gojo.
@@janstefaniuk2977nah at this point put Yuji on the pedestal. Gojo clearly gold, Sukuna silver and Yuji bronze. Kenny just didn’t show the feats in order to put him on the pedestal 🤷🏻♂️
@@derkaffeenator9172 I mean, wasn't he said somewhere in the manga or in some interview that Kenny is one of the best fighters in h2h?
Yuki, even though shes like on her mid 30's, she landed a ton of consistent hits on kenjaku who is more than 1000 years old, who's mastered like 80% of existing and heian era martial arts like boxing, kung fu, karate and more. And yuki was still able to survive even split in half, long enough to create a blackhole that could have eaten up the whole planet, if kenjaku didnt use his asspull.
There's something odd about putting Yuki this high on "that era" despite the fact all her feats aren't from before Gojo awakaned and there's no reason to believe Yuki's CT proficiency wasn't also unlocked along the way after Gojo awoke.
Yuki is easily mopping Toji. Yuki got a blind spot sure, and her hit was still blocked. HOWEVER, Kenjaku easily reacted to Yuta’s inital sneak attack, and actually dodged it. So Yuki is no bum in speed. Also, Yuki is also just as smart if not smarter, Yuki researched the soul, deduced Kenjaku’s gravity intervals.
And toji is equal to maki in stats maki who is casually dodging around cursed noaya who is faster than noabito who was the fastest besides gojo Yuki also has worse durability because of maki's feats and toji had precog and a much better kit they can both basically one tap each other but one is more likely to land the hot than the other and that goes to toji
Kenjaku did not easily react to Yuta’s sneak attack. He turned around because he’s senses were no longer affected and wasn’t too focused on Takaba. He sensed Yuta’s immense cursed energy then tried to active reverse gravity but Yuta was able to cut him down before his CT was even able to activate
Both Yuki and Kenjaku don’t apply to the statement of Naobito being the 2nd fastest. Yuki was a mystery among even the higher ups who probably made that statement . Kenjaku’s existence also was never known until Shibuya. Yuta also wouldn’t rly apply since he was away in Africa and trained to special grade lvl. That statement holds no real relevance with the character’s previously discussed.
Kenjaku still reacted to a sneak attack that should have killed him? Kenjaku had more time to react to Yuki and even then instead of dodging, (even after knowing her technique) he opted to block, because he could not dodge in that instance.
@@NotMaxWhoDat yeah they sorta would because kenjakus stats in getos body are equal to getos stats and a weaker Yuta was somewhat relative to that geto
Everyone knows that Jin Itadori is the strongest, he gave Momjaku those pink backshots
I was pretty hard in the kenjaku camp being the strongest before gojo awakened however I was really swayed with the narrative element of toji being lonely and misunderstood/unseen that really does track with the themes of the strongest in JJK. I think that's really fitting and I'm swayed.
Don't forget everything toji had to do to take out pre-awakend gojo
Yeah it was a big gamble basically
If Gojo hadn't turned around in that moment then he wouldn't have lost
Anime only here but correct me if I’m wrong: gojo didn’t just gain RCT
He figured out how to teleport, as well as how to automate his limitless so he doesn’t have to manually control it, and then automated rct to constantly be running for his six eyes and finally gained purple with red. So an ultimate defense, extreme movement, a healing factor, unlimited use of his broken perception, and a dang near unstoppable attack. Man killing him buffed him to high heaven.
Edit: comments have corrected me, thought I’d add it here for clarity. This is the difference between gojo “the strongest character in the verse” and gojo “top tier”. It took more than just rct for him to become unbeatable, I hope this shows that.
And domain expansion as well
I think most of these he learned weeks if not months after his awakening. The awakening obviously sped up the grind quite a bit but I'd count only RCT, red and purple as the things he figured out the instant he awakened
@@janstefaniuk2977 wouldn’t say weeks or months personally because we saw that a year later he said he finally mastered all of it and proved it to shoko and geto
@@farsous10 I mean, I didn't say that he learned everything in a full month or week. I said that some of it he may have learned in several months or even weeks if he was lucky, but it just took him a full year to learn everything.
He basically learned the essence of cursed energy, the same as when someone hits a black flash
Idk its a toss up. Toji was probaly the most dangerous man alive but infinity is such a hassle to deal with even without prior to his awakening. So its probably gojo. He needed that plan to weaken gojo and researched his abilities as opposed to geto who got dogwalked by toji.
Short answer: probably yuki. Kenjaku didn’t have curse spirit manipulation and just only his domain and antigravity technique, paired with his weaker physique, he probably gets one or two shotted by yuki
I guess that’s why Hakari was missing for so long… he has a youtube channel
Toji is definitely stronger than pre awakening gojo, even without prep time. toji states that a post awakening gojos red and blue are not an issue for him, which is why gojo used purple.
He’s also saying that to feel better about himself, he knew he stood no chance against gojo in round 2.
@@farsous10 based on what exactly? we saw him tank red with almost no damage taken, so gojo used purple since he saw that he tanked red
@@upliftlizard1715 based on the fact that he literally knew he should have ran away the movement he could tell gojo levelled up. And he didn’t exactly rank red, he used his spear to try and negate it and it reduced the impact. I can’t say a character a is stronger than the character b if character a needed an entire plan to nerf him before the fight starts
@@farsous10 he literally said before that "something was wrong", after saying red and blue are no problem, he could tell gojo had something else up his sleeve, which he did
@@upliftlizard1715 it still wouldn’t change the fact he’s not confident enough to fight him 1v1 without prep time, cuz his senses would be able to not let toji get to him
If Yuki were not nerfed by the plot, she could destroy the planet with one kick, the limit of lasa that she can apply is 10 times the mass of the sun (1.989 x 10³⁰)x10 kg, and we know that that is the limit because if it were less there would be been instantly crushed long before reaching the mass needed for the black hole
Restless gotta agree with your list bro
11:03 bro on my mommas I’ve been telling people this for literal years.
People always say “but if she hits you” like yeah right bro her speed might as well be mud what good is all that power if you never gonna connect.
I'm just glad y'all put some credit on yuki cause I've seen some wild lowball takes against her. Also kenjaku best girl
Gojo saying that he's the strongest and the same for geto doesn't mean they're on the same level it just means that geto is stronger than everyone else (except yuki of course because hardly anyone know anything about her)
Saying Yuki was “off guard” is dramatically inaccurate. He had plenty of time to react. And nerfed output also means nerfed speed, so yeah, safe to say Kenny’s not even close to Yuki physically.
And Toji preparing for Gojo is deliberately implied to be because he has no idea how fast or strong he is and doesn’t like taking chances. Not because he couldn’t beat him otherwise
Gojo already had falling blossom emotion pre awakening, said by him himself against Sukuna when he activated it, so he has a domain counter
The metaphors you gave for toji were so fyeee
Toji was the strongest before awakened gojo. Kenjaku didn't have geto's body yet and toji can beat yuki.
Gojo is stronger than Toji even before awakening. Toji could kill him only with preporations,without the element of surprise, he would have lost the battle. In their next battle, it was shown that Toji can't even make scratch on him, plus he can fly and have infinite amount of curse energy, who really had chance to kill him before awakening is Jogo because he had domain
@@Terhe jogo wasnt alive then, and that was a POST awakened gojo you're speaking about. the PRE awakened gojo, which is the main topic of this video. toji realistically slams
@@moon-gv4ol in a no prep, fully rested 1v1 between pre awakened Gojo and Toji, Gojo probably wins. Obviously after the awakening Gojo slams. But Toji won due to his preparation - if he could "slam" Gojo without tiring him for days, he would've killed Gojo long before Amanai got anywhere near Tengen. Not to mention Gojo needed to protect Amanai, which Toji used as a distraction to sneak him. No it wouldn't be a 100% Gojo victory like it is post awakening, but without all the disadvantages Gojo had in that fight against Toji, realistically Gojo wins most of the time in a fair fight, due to his technique + the Six Eyes.
@@benboothroyd1523 I'd like to quickly mention that Toji knew he was rusty, which is why he needed preparation timing. If we doing no surprise, fully rested Gojo, then why not unrusty toji? Also the other reason why toji needed preparation time was to get the cursed tools all in place, he needed to know who he was fighting and what tools he needed to kill the duo. The reason why Gojo didn't DIE against toji was honestly because of two main reasons. 1, plot. 2, toji genuinely thought bro was dead, HE HAD HIM RIPPED APART FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
Yuki >>>> Toji
Streets need that Yuta Glaze video GOAT (it's me I'm streets)
I really find it strange how pre awakening Gojo and Geto were known as the strongest when Yuki existed.
Like they had no rct and they had no counter to a domain
The thing is yuki never went on missions, the higher ups don’t have intel on her ct and gojo and geto had no idea what she’s capable of. So as far as those two and the rest of the sorcerer world, yuki is special grade by title but no one actually knew how strong she was. In hindsight tho she was probably the strongest back then unless you wanna make a case for toji. Either way she was definitely stronger than geto back then and probably gojo too if we assume she was as strong then as she is in anime timeline
Cause Gojo WAS the strongest
He still had limitless and Six eyes
Which is enough to put him top1
I think all the top 3 listed (Kenjaku, Toji, Yuki) have a claim to top 1. Yuki WAS lonely, by the way: she was the lone Special Grade who didn't fit in with anybody else, with jujutsu sorcery as a whole. Both Toji and her are dislocated in a sense.
Unless Toji assassinates Yuki (which he may or may not be able to: we don't get to know if Toji gets to easily assassinate literally any sorcerer other than Gojou and Sukuna), she stands a chance of soloing him in a head on fight.
Dude what? Toji would get obliterated in a fight against Yuki.
@@Thesigmaone747 not if he shows his prowess as the sneakiest
@@AR15ORIGINAL Yuki however is a bum with no responsibilities that wouldn't be baby sitting Riko and also doesn't need to waste much energy on assassins since she could just speed blitz them and blow up their head instantly.
@@Thesigmaone747 Can she blitz Toji?
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The yuki glaze is crazy im ngl.
She's strong tho
Toji met Yuki and told her to F off.
Toji met Gojo after awakening, thought he was the strongest and decided to fight him.
Why did I genuinely think they were both gonna whip out Jogo at number 1😭😭😭
me tooooo lmao. I don't know if Jogo was around then but if he was he would have a pretty good chance imo against a lot of these characters
@@timetraveler_from_2012yeah he could
He could probably beat Gojo because gojo did not have a domain yet
Yujis Dad surviving the Kenjussy:
ngl, Gojo was still probably the strongest before his awakeking, but if not him then Toji. Kenjaku could be top 1-2 depending on the hody he had since his domain should still be top 1, so as long as his vessel isnt a glass cannon he could be top 2 maybe 3
Y'all just forget Yuki
Keep the vids
100% MY MAN TOJI!!!
after he tried to take tojis curse nd failed because the bond between curses nd master disregards the strength requirement for CSM to take the curse . thats why he wanted to kill yuta then take rika
The fact that you two had 1 and 4 swapped is crazy.
And explain how is Kenjaku n1 of he was in Yuji's mom body
@@rodrigop2198
Who's body matters a hell of a lot less than the fact that it's kenny behind the wheel.
w vid
You're never convincing me that that wasn't some BS plot armor that Kenjaku had during the Yuki fight. It was wwaaayyy Too convenient that he had the Gravity Cursed Technique and CT Reversal to perfectly counter Yukis black hole.
Plot armor and plot conveniences are a consistent issue in JJK
3:06 Gojo was definitely not a Special Grade xd. He bacame a Special Grade one year after his Awakening not before...
5:25 Damn Toji at number 4 is absolutely ridiculous when he was the strongest back then ☠️.
Restless you cooked in this video, absolutely W peak list! ✋🙂↕️
Although saying Geto is below Yuji's Mom for a feat Kenny did using the output of Getos body is diabolical 😩
@@LoudYapper are you saying toji could have beaten gojo straight up? Also they acknowledged that the official ranking system is flawed and they already rank gojo special grade based off feats (I.e he easily beats toji if equal prep)
Imo it should be based on of no1 could beat everyone else. And nobody else could beat Kenjaku at this point in time
@@nomad4411 yes Toji would have beaten Gojo prep or none. It would have just been a little harder.
In fairness, Toji only got close to Gojo after two days of constant cursed technique usage, and Toji using a special grade cursed tool. He still relies on the power system, like every other character who is “outside” of the power system
1:53 What the fuck? That's GRIP STRENGTH not hand to hand experience.
The fight start and Gojo and Geto are slacking.
Didn't yuki have rct though?, I may be wrong but I remember her just flat out refusing to use it for some reason.
She refused it cuz then her ct output would be lowered so she prioritized trying to land hits on him with as much force as possible. She ended up using it eventually
yeah she "didn't wanna"
Yuki and Toji
It was gojo himself
If toji was stronger than gojo then he wouldn't have needed to tire him out by forcing him to stay awake for many days
His battle prep was also really well planned and crazy
Gojo was the strongest even before the hidden inventory fight
"yuki is overrated asf" THANK YOU BRO FINALLY 😭
For the open of the vid, I would say Gojo and Geto were the strongest, but together. Toji loses the 2v1 for sure, and if Gojo and Geto had any sort of anti-domain measure, they’d probably have a chance against Yuki or Kenjaku too (especially Kenjaku). Yuki to me is far more contentious due to her insane stat advantage over everyone else.
I cant put geto there since he’s weaker than yuki whether that’s student version or movie version
Even here jogo is being done dirty. Just the domain point puts him at top 3
Before gojo became the strongest, yuki, kenjaku and toji are stronger
@@farsous10 not sure about toji vs jogo. The domain for one thing. Then there is his maximum meteor and fucking lava pillers. And he can fly using his firebugs. It would depend on who is jumping who. If toji can close the distance or if the fight is in a closed off area he has a chance, but otherwise I don't see it based on hax.
@@kammelo569 his domain is useless on toji, closed barrier domains which is pretty much every single domain except for sukuna’s and kenjaku’s, don’t work on him. So pulling out a domain on him wouldn’t do anything. The meteor also would only do damage it it lands but toji’s too fast for it to land the attack, if you have someone like kusakabe survive it then toji being faster than even a projection sorcerers user would survive it even easier. The big shikigamis are not dealing too much damage if it hits as well. Plus if toji uses his inverted spear or soul split then it deals so much damage to jogo, not only can one of it negate cts but the other would negate their durability, since soul split deals damage to the soul which you can’t heal unless you perceive your soul
@@farsous10 Ok I give you the meteor,but the domain thing is wrong. Vs dragon Megumi was stopping the sure hit and with Maki sukuna had a vow that the domain would only attack things with cursed energy so he isn't immune. From here it depends if he has weapons out. That worm would get destroyed the moment he takes it out so whatever he has is what he gets. If it's invented spear he could break out by running to the end of the domain. Otherwise he is cooked. Jogo is definitely faster than dagon so he might not be toji fats but he can avoid him until toji gets Miguel's racial buff even if he has the soul split. Again I think it depends on who jumps who and in a fair fight depends on what toji has as a weapon
@@kammelo569 that’s not how it works. The fight vs Dagon toji would have been able to walk in and out whether or not megumi was there or not. Megumi did what he did so that him and the others can escape Dagon’s domain, but even if he wasn’t there toji is able to freely walk in or out because closed barrier domains don’t and can’t recognize toji and manga maki since they have zero ce, so the domain treat them like buildings, which is why buildings never get trapped in a domain and why it won’t trap them in unless they choose to walk in, like maki did with naoya’s domain.
The context of sukuna’s domain is different and specific, because his sure hit of cleave and dismantle allows him to target both things with ce, and things that aren’t ce. Every other domain’s sure hit targets anything that has ce, that’s why it’s impossible to trap toji/maki in a domain unless you’re sukuna since it’s open, and even then the only reason why sukuna’s domain will hit them is because one of the cleave/dismantle targets specifically non ce objects (maki and toji).
So yea jogos domain is a useless effort, it wouldn’t be able to trap toji
Toji was clearly the strongest and here's why:
1) well geto got low diffed by toji
2) even after gojo awakened and got red toji literally was not scared of him and said that he could handle him he got surprised by purple that was the whole point and the only reason toji even nerfed gojo was bcs that would be way easier to take him out not to mention the fact that geto was there too also by this time it was somewhat implied to that geto and gojo were equals (not saying that they were)
3) kenjaku was still in yuji's mom's body i don't even have to compare them
4) yuki literally is way slower and weaker than toji now listen here naobito was stated to be the fastest after gojo naoya is equal to naobito's speed (since they're not really fast it's their ct) naobito became a curse and amped his speed massively and even after all this awakened maki who's equal to toji literally outsped curse naoya like it was nothing i mean she was literally laughing and enjoying her life while curse naoya was hard assing and trying to catch her yuki is not even close to toji's speed strength obviously is way above yuki's as well and his endurance is equal to maki who literally tanked 2 black flashes and amped slashes from sukuna not counting all the other attacks yuki stands no chance and all this while not even saying anything about his cursed tools like inverted spear of heaven or his soul split katana
Toji is the goat before gojo and that is a fact 🐐
Toji and yuki are debatable. But to say toji wasn’t scared of gojo even after his power up is just objectively wrong. He himself knew that something was wrong and he instinctively should have ran away, but he stayed out of pride cuz he knew gojo became the strongest and he wanted to beat the strongest
@@farsous10He was literally smiling and getting cocky with Gojo, he got surprised by purple and that’s when he knew it was over for him. Had Gojo unlocked purple earlier it would’ve been a repeat of round 1 where Toji slams Gojo and he would’ve made sure he was dead. Toji couldn’t react because it was a completely different move. He wasn’t even shocked when he got hit by reversal red. He was confused on what the hell was wrong with Gojo, I think I remember the line that you’re talking about where he said his instincts were telling him to run however instincts aren’t always correct and Toji clearly had the courage and confidence to face him and he wasn’t scared. His instincts don’t equate to what he’s actually feeling in his head.
@@besi3ge how are you saying sometimes instincts are wrong when the story is telling you that toji’s instincts is literally what made him lose. He figured he’s fighting against someone who just became the strongest yet he stayed to fight out of pride, and lost.
Yuki took Kenny’s domain hit and got back up swinging. Even Kenny was shocked. I think she can last more.
@@farsous10 He lost due to the fact that he never knew Gojo had purple in his arsenal, not due to his instincts. His instincts told him to run, not that he was fighting someone who “became the strongest”. Again, Toji was not scared he was confused on what was going on with Gojo. I did not see one line saying Toji was in fear whatsoever in the anime or manga. His instincts were telling him to run, instincts do not equate to emotions and they can be wrong. His instincts never once mentioned he was fighting someone who has become the strongest, his instincts were simply telling him he should run.
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As it is very uncertain how strong Kenjaku was in Kaori's body, I would go with Yuki Tsukumo.
It has to be Kenjaku ngl, wasn’t noritoshi kamo extremely evil and feared. On top of Yuji’s mom’s CT & countless others across 1,000 years. That man’s bag is so deep, i fail to see how he’s not an easy #1 when Gojo and Sukuna are not in the convo. Most people regard Kenny as #3 and i don’t think him not being in Geto changes that especially considering the entire cast is far weaker. Including the “strongest” he’d be facing
IMO
5- Geto
4- Gojo
3- Toji Prime (he was rusty against Gojo)
2- Kenjaku
1- 🙌Yuki🙌
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Yuki probably
Jogo, the cursed spirit, he existed back in the preawakened gojo era. And he was told that he was equivalent to 8 to 9 fingers. And I doubt he was that much weaker back then since he’s 400 years ago
Damn don't remember that but if so then it's Jogo as we don't know if Yuki had her domain and Toji was kinda nerfed.
But Jogo is not 8-9F level. That was Kenny being generous, and he was probably comparing them off of CE amount. He should be closer to 3-5 fingers if we are being real.
Even Jogo questions the difference in power between him and Sukuna 15f. Bcz he isnt 8f level.
@@rodrigop2198 not 3 or 5, 7 at least. He destroyed a whole city block with one attack and had tons of cursed energy left to spare. tbh jogo vs peak Toji would be really close. I would argue that jogo would beat peak toji becuase jogo speed surpasses naobito by a longshot, and naobito was the current times fastest sorcerer before the shibuya incident
@HycWTViwant well, Naobito and Jogo are close in speed but Naobito lost an arm making him much slower as the narrator states in the manga and it's stated Naobito is faster than Jogo actually.
Abt Jogo and Toji, bcz Jogo is slower than Toji and has a less comolicated technique, I don't doubt that with his insane precog that he could avoid all of Jogo's atacks and catch him eventually. 1 or 2 hits and Jogo is exorcised.
This is bcz it's stated Jogo would die to teh atacks Hanami received in the good will event witch I doubt that Toji with special grade weapons wouldn’t replicate in 1 or 2 atacks. He would find a aay due to his superior BIQ. And domain doesn't work.
+ it's stated that he could have wiped the Zenij clan at any time witch means he can deal witth faster oponents pretty confortably.
But this is who is stronger overall and not just who would win.
Jogo should not be close to 7 fingers, CE amount is 1 thing, output and refinment is another, I don't think you are a manga reader bcz you should know how important this difference is. + Sukuna even at 1 finger should be able to destroy the same space, he has domain with 200 meters and the fire that is basically like a nuke. Jogo's is stronger but it's not bcz it destroyed a city is bcz it was stronger overall. He should be 3-5fingers judging by everything that happened in the manga tbh.
Kenjaku
Yuki
Toji
Gojo
Geto
Gojo was stronger than Toji
There's a reason he had to all of that stuff, tire gojo out, distract him with Amanai to even land a direct hit
@@theguywhoasked2957 yea I was confused I didn't know who to put over who I just went with that one
I was hoping my goat jogoat randomly appears as the strongest lol
What do you use to edit your videos?
You better hold to the 100 days gambler
Naobito in the corner: 💀
Yuki for sure
It was gojo himself
Kenjaku is number 1. everyone else aint doing anything against his domain. As long as kenjaku doesnt get sneak attacked by toji he wins against everyone. If toji attacks upfront then kenjaku just knocks him to the ground and pops domain which should kill, the same goes for everyone else except that they cant even sneak attack cuz they arent that fast
It was still gojo. Gojo before he awakens is still a tank and power house. Only thing he didn’t have was experience and toji had to pre exhaust him to beat him. Gojo didn’t need rct and a domain to beat almost everyone in the story.
How does he beat Kenjaku?
@@ExplosiveGrape he’s much faster than him and Kenjaku doesn’t have things that instinct kill. Imo gojo is just a bad matchup for a guy like kenjaku . He’s going to evolve mid fight unless kenjaku can put him in a couple moves. We already know he can’t do it if it’s hand to hand so now it’s just a race to see if gojo learns purple mid fight. If pressed gojo will evolve.
@@nomad4411 Kenjaku squashes Gojo with domain expansion.
@@ExplosiveGrape gojo has never been shown to get smashed and I’m not even sure anyone could (excluding the obvious). Your only showing of gojo really is him vs toji and toji had to completely tire him out for him to win. Domains are great but what is kenjaku doing against the massive speed and power gap? What about red and blue? If the only win con is domain I’ll take gojo figuring it out on the spot like he always does. Sakuna ,mahoraga ,rika, jogo..they could kill him without a domain . That’s the point .
@@nomad4411 This is pre awakening no red. Gojo didn’t figure anything about how too get out when he was stuck in prison realm for 100+ chapters.
Mabye a mistake
But in number 4 there was toji AND Kenny
But in number 1 there was also toji and Kenny
And I think they mixed up the toji and Kenny part with each other
I immediately thought Kenny, but then I forgot he doesn’t have goto body so instant victory he might possibly still be the strongest but I don’t know probably yuki
Pre Awaken gojo knows simple domain
Do you believe we’ll see more of joy, boy shanks, and possibly even dragon in the upcoming chapters, flashbacks and present
My list is toji, kenny, yuki, gojo, geto
Why’s bro Collab panther missing so hard 😭😭😭 bro needs to lock in
I mean Yuki not being able to hit kenjaku isn’t THAT crazy because he had hundreds of year of combat iq so it’d be hard for her to get in
I'd put Yuki and gojo tied. Gojo could catch Yuki while she unleashes her technique with hollow purple. Since hollow purple is an imaginary concept placed into reality. Yukis technique bypasses most of infinity excluding purple
holy shit did you even watch the video? Gojo doesn't have hollow purple by that point
I honestly thought that Jogo would make an appearance since only Mahito ist stated to be young. How would you place him If you considered him
If jogo was there he would be the strongest ofc
But not at the same time
Because geto can instantly beat him since he's a curse
Gege states verbatim that toji zenin (not fushigoro fought with a strength on par with gojo. Obviously in reference to rct gojo
Hakari
@@guilha1506 my boy was like 2 years old 😩🙏
@@LoudYapperAlways bet on Hakari.
@@LoudYappergambling fresh out the womb 🔥🔥🔥
Bro can't read + get him past Geto or ISBODK Mahito
@@Lamorak241 Both are getting blitzed into oblivion
It wasn't kenjaku because he didnt yet take over geto's body
So its Either Yuki or Gojo himself
whats this song 13:32
It’s a remix of Some by Steve Lacy
It was actually kenjaku at that point in whatever body he was in
No it was Gojo himself
i know im 2 days late but is it just me that has never heard people talking about that suguro geto cover from chapter 70 i might be wrong but is that not baphomets pose symbolizing as above so below ?
i mean i dont know maybe im tripping
I can't accept Kaori as number one. Sure it's basically just Kenjaku, but Kaori probably gets bullied by everyone else on the list physically. Kenjaku himself mentions that battles of sorcery usually come down to the strength of ones body. Like we see in the Yujo fight, Yuta went from having to combo with Rika and Yuji to consistently land blows on Sukuna, to being able to fight on par with Sukuna 1v1 while still figuring out the controls, which shows just how massive of a difference your body makes.
personally my ranking is:
Toji,
Yuki,
Gojo,
Kenjaku,
Getou
Kenjaku always loses to the six eyes plus limitless users so he'd probably get bodied again, especially in Kaori's body. Toji has been mooching off the goat Maki's feats and because of that gets number 1. Yuki is a special grade where as Gojo wasn't yet a special grade, he couldn't even use the 6 eyes for long without damaging his brain meaning his output likely drops the longer he's forced to keep the 6 eyes on, and Getou is a bum.
I don’t really get that, in jjk physical stats for most characters is basically just how efficiently you use your cursed energy. No matter the body kenjacku is in, he’ll still have the same cursed energy efficiency/ physical stats would he not?
@@TheMilkMan905 cursed energy reinforcement boosts your base stats, so the better base stats you have, the better your stats after being reinforced are.
This is why for example, in shibuya, Megumi finds it hard to keep up with Yuji's speed, and Ino get so surprised Yuji can produce the same amount of force as overtime Nanami (who uses a binding vow to make himself stronger) They all use CE reinforcement but Yuji being superhuman in base gives him an advantage.
So in this case Getou's body is a big upgrade to Kaori's. Getou's over 6ft tall with a very muscular build and he regularly trained in close quarters combat, while Kaori as far as we know was just a regular house wife prior to being taken over by Kenjaku since she was already engaged to Yuji's dad. Kenjaku can reinforce Kaori's body with CE but it will never be as strong as Getou's body reinforced with CE.
@@visionaryvjae5641 yuta’s power should debunk this theory, he tells you yuji himself that physically he’s weak and he compensates with cursed energy as you said but obviously he’s significantly stronger most people so I think it’s more about cursed energy manipulation plays a bigger part then physical stats, obviously they matter yuji is proof of this but how you use cursed energy is definitely the deciding factor and geto without cursed energy is anything special like yuji is so the difference in kaori and geto physically shouldn’t matter enough to change kenjacku’s stats within the bodies
@@TheMilkMan905 Yuta is an outlier him having the amount of CE he has is not a normal thing, like Yuji having the superhuman stats he has. When comparing people that aren't outliers physicals matter, remember that Gojo said he could lose to Miguel in a h2h fight with no CTs just CE reinforcement. I know Gojo ain't saying the same thing to Megumi, because we actually saw him dominate Megumi's body piloted by Sukuna in almost all h2h encounters.
The difference between Miguel and Megumi is far closer than the gap between Getou (with the best physical body in the series besides, Toji, Maki, Yuji and Sukuna according to Gege) vs, as far as we know, a regular Japanese woman.
Still Gojo. Toji needed a curse nullifying tool and an elaborate plan to beat him.
3:02 no? gojo and geto were both grade 1s, pretty sure this is shown lmao
Technically they weren’t grade 1s cuz it was never shown or been told, whether narratively, told by other characters, by gojo and geto themselves or even in the fanbook. We have no idea what grade they were in hidden inventory apart from the 1 year timeskip where we know they’re special grades. But before the timeskip the only thing we know is that they’re 2nd years.
But they were 98% probably special grades before the time skip, their ct is too op especially gojo so based on higher ups rule they both classify as special grades, especially since the whole sorcerer community know who gojo is how and how strong he was even before the power up. Geto himself didn’t gain a crazy power up in the 1 year difference if at all apart from gaining more curses and he’s considered special grade by then, so no reason why he wasn’t one a year prior
@@farsous10 in the flashback geto talks about the curse being grade 3 and himself grade 1. its narratively, and very strongly too, that they were =s, thus making Gojo grade 1, but they were definitely the strongest grades 1s. and if anything, Gojo probably started/was the reason "special grade" exists aside Yuki
Kenjaku at 4 is criminal... Don't see how you can put Yuki over Kenjaku when Kenjaku beat Yuki and Choso, with assistance from Tengen...
Lmao this is hidden inventory arc timeline and before. Do you remember who kenjaku was in who’s body back then? You’re comparing kenjaku in present timeline in a topic where that’s not even the debate
@@farsous10 hello, I do stand directed on that. I forgot about the fact that it was hidden inventory.
Though he would not have had Curse Manipulation, he would have had the technique of the body prior to Yujis mom, right?
@@MCWon212 yup you're right, he still kept yuji's mom's ct when he was in geto's body. So during the timeline of the hidden inventory he would have her gravity ct, tho im not exactly sure how strong that would make her/him in the power scale
@@farsous10 true, so 4 is probably fair.
What is that first instrumental 😭🙏
Yuki is a strange one simply because we don't know or have reason to believe shes the same strength during the series as she is during the flashback.
I doubt she could get thru infinity but i do think yuki has the durability to tank gojo for long enough thay her sure hit could do the trick. Too many unknowns to say for sure
Prime toji likely washes gojo even while refreshed. Not really because of stats but i think gojo is to trusting of infinity to guard himans toji needs one clean hit. Being in his prime/unrusty should make him much faster aswell
Kenjaku i think he doesn't have a chance gojo could just blue his way out of the domain the barrier is open😂 now hes left a sitting duck with low CE reserves and a burnt out technique
Geto idk really
Kenjaku could just close his domain vs gojo, then he wins. And he uses open domain for yuki and toji to win those fights.
Also gojo sucked at using blue for transport esspecially over long distances, he said he was working on improving it at the end of HI
@@generalpork literally only sukuna gojo and yuta have been shown to open multiple domains
And only gojo and sukuna have been shown to change the barriers size and conditions on the fly
So unless kenjaku just decide to lead with a closed domain that's not happening
He's not beating yuki without CSM
You didn't just say domain as a wincon against toji of all people right?
Long distance is relative keep in mind a sprinting yuji was moving faster than a speeding car early in the series even if you lowball that feet that's still 25 is meters per second from s1 yuji
It would take him 8 seconds to run out of sukunas domain
I'm sure a gojo who should be faster would be able to get out of a smaller domain especially with blue to assist him.
When gojo says long distance I believe he's referring to what he did vs jogo to pick up yuji or what he did to send panda and toge to yuta in jjk0 not somewhere in eyeshot
@@princemannicare we forgetting that apart from Tengen Kenjaku is the best barrier user so what makes you think he wouldn't be able to manipulate the barrier of his domain
Him and geto together were the strongest.
Yuki💙
I think Yaga is a solid choice
Imma go with rika
Gojo stated he would risk his life to stop her after he became the strongest which was a year before the current story which is a gojo more powerful than awakened gojo
Body, pal, homeboy, this entire video was about who was the strongest before awakened Gojo using a character way after is cheating.
@@lmao2302 hear me out
yuta is like a year older than megumi
He cursed rika as a child
Gojo meets megumi right after geto leaves.
Rika is 100% a thing at that time :)