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Response to Converted2Islam "Why I Left Islam"
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2016
- This is a response to Converted2Islam Channel video by Ismaeel Abu Adam:
• Why I Left Islam (Afte...
I would urge Abu Adam to seriously investigate matters that concern him:
A) There is a lot of information already available (see below) as these arguments are not the new.
B) If the information is not readily available, ask those who have knowledge.
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A list of some sources of information:
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2) www.letmeturnth...
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3) thedebateiniti...
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I would be interested to engage with you if you wish: fotfoundation@gmail.com
I am curious as to why you feel the need to propagate your doubts?
Anyway, I pray that Allah guides us all, always closer to His Truth. Ameen.
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I was a Christian and know first hand how we are told to lie and pretend to convert to Islam. Why? So we can leave the religion and bring things like that guy did. Why? To make it look bad and not credible. That is why I left. Also, after receiving a masters in world religions, I came to know the truth. After seeking it sincerely and turning my face to God and asking him to guide me to wherever the truth was. I studied, sat with various religious figures, read all holy books, I converted to Islam. Alhamdulillah.
Please contact us by leaving a message on EFDawah Facebook page. May Allah bless you 😊 Ameen
@@Anonymous-sq6eo brother why would I lie about this? No reason, the truth stands on it's own two feet and doesn't require lies. I was there and I had a huge problem with it, that's what caused me to question the church, along with the Triune concept of God which made absolutely no sense to me.
Ummm I grew up Christian and had no such experience. Even went to several different churches. What cult were you a part of?
Jesus bless youu....
@@danucahyono6952 are you Christian.?.
Answer my comment.
I watched the Abu Adam video.. the way he spoke with emotion plus his title of 16 years Islam. Then I linked what he said with what extreemists in Nigeria do ( cupturing school girls to marry and radicalize) and I thought it made sense. I thought the extremists live true to their book.
Then I came across this guy. I almost passed this as desparate apologetic but somehow he looked composed and his language and mannerism cool so I watched some more. I had to pause and go back to watch Abu Adam's entire video the I came back to watch this video in full.
That's when I saw the sense. You cannot pick a verse out of context and draw emotional conclusions. The passage does not talk about whether it is okay to rape captives or not. It talks about wether it is permissible to marry war captive. And I think the prophet really was very wise in his ruling.
If you decide to take your wife and children to war field ( I wonder why someone would do that) and you are killed and they are taken captive... Would you rather have them abandoned, killed or would you rather have them treated with dignity and even remarried and assimilated in that culture. It is unfortunate extreemists associate with Islam. I love true and faithful muslims. I love true and faithful Jews. I love true and faithful christians. And I love schorlarly minds. I bow to one true and eternal God. The creator and sustainer of all things.
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I’m pleased you understand this very well. Plus God gave Muhammad that ruling, as Muhammad always wait for revelations before acting and if he should act beforehand, he’s chastised by God immediately. There’s an example where God said “ and they asked you about the last day, in what position are you ( Muhammad) to give them an answer. Only God directs affairs and he reveals what decision the prophet should take.
Allah indeed granted you understanding because you patiently thought about the issue and listened to the video carefully but as for those in whose heart is a disease won't comprehend they will make same arguments over and over again. Boko haram is undoubtedly evil and their actions are totally against Islam. The prophet Muhammad peace be upon him prophecy about people like boko haram and he orders that those perpetrate such injustice against the people should be put to death
they brought their women and children to to fill the support role in war. they also make the men in the front line more desperate to protect people behind them.
aside from assimilating them into the culture, this ruling also give fear factor, making the enemy of Islam hesitant to wage war against muslim, because they either have to reduce their power by not bringing support, or bringing their women and children as support and risking getting them captured by Muslim
m.ruclips.net/video/nNAS0aaViM4/видео.html
"If the Prophet (SAW) ordered the slave girl to be FREED simply because of a slap by the owner, then what do you think he would have done if she was raped" - END OF DISCUSSION.
@Taimoor Khan what does this have to do with ops comment
@@deechonada Simply that Mohammed's followers practiced rape as a normal activity, and Mohammed aprovved it (he only rebuked them on a fine point regarding orgasm)
@Great Khan Rape, Adultery is prohibited that's absolute in the Quran.
So there are 2 possibilities, either Abu Said was in a contract-marriage with the captive (Mut'ah), or
The captive is owned by Abu Said, and In Islam it is clear that A man can have sexual relationship with his slave (With consent of course).
If it is truly rape and it is allowed to rape war captives. Why would he even bother to ask about coitus interruptus?? he can do whatever he want.
@@uthmanhanif6321 and surely all those female prisioners of war were consenting to these "short term marriages"? It was surely their plan to which they had been looking forward for years - to marry their enemies, who fought and maybe killed their husbands and sons? The term "the women that your right hand holds" makes it clear that the Musim men held this women prisioners - plese do not lie to yourself that these female prisioners were consenting to marry their captors (hhave you ever been a prisioner of war? Or your sister, mother?)
@@uthmanhanif6321 Mohammed is often compared to Moses. But in Christianity, Moses in the Old Testament represents only the basic foundations of morality ("do not steal, do not covet" etc). In the New Testament, instead, the prophet Jesus revealed the full extent of God’s standard of morality, based on the nature of God's love: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. But I tell you, do not resist an evil person…If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well” Mathew 5:38) Not doing anything harmful to your neighbor is basic morality - but loving your neighbor to the point of sacrificing yourself for his or her needs (as Jesus did sacrificing himself for humanity) is a major leap ahead for morality: The New Testament teaches to love your enemies ("If your enemy is hungry, feed him” Romans 12:20 “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you” Luke 6:27) Mohammed taught instead to take your enemies prisoners or kill them (or marry “temporarily” their wives (?) as it is commanded in the many "verses of the sword" in the Quran, such as Sura 5:33. When God’s enemies came for him, Jesus told his disciples: "put up your sword" (Mathew 26:52) and never held a sword. Mohammed instead told his disciples: "take up your sword" (Sura 2:190) and took up the sword himself. Christianity during its first 3 centuries spread and conquered the Roman empire only through preaching. Islam instead during its first 3 centuries conquered the Roman empire through the sword. The Christian military conquests like the Crusades were against Jesus' teaching and example, and are therefore today condemned as historical and theological errors by Christians - just like Muslims consider an error anything against Mohamed’s teaching or example. The Crusades were also against the examples of Christs first disciples and founders of the Church (Peter or Paul were Christianity's "rightly guided caliphs", if you will ☺) and so again are condemned as an error because they deviate from the apostle's teaching in the Bible. Muslim military conquests instead are not considered and error, since they follow the teaching and example of Mohammed and his first disciples like Abu Bakr, Omar, Usman - who all led military conquests. Christians have asked forgiveness of victims to their past violence. Has any Muslim asked forgiveness of victims of their past violence? Christian missionaries in the past like Patrick, Boniface, Anskar, Gregory and hundreds more up to more recent history (like nuns, medical missionaries) went among the the "barbarians" and infidel peoples preaching and serving their needs by founding orphanages, leprosaries, hospitals - and often dying as martyrs while serving their killers. Are there any historical parallels of Muslim missionaries doing the same service among infidel peoples? Where are in history the hospitals, orphanages, leprosaries built abroad among infidels by Muslims? Rather, the treatment for the infidels exemplified by Mohammed and early disciples was basically military conquest (Muslims are only now founding hospitals etc abroad in lands not ruled by Muslims, following Christ’s and his disciples’ example - certainly not Mohammed’s or his companion's example. So, indeed Mohammed can be compared to Moses - a prophet who taught basic morality to a savage people. But in comparison to Christ, Mohammed is an involution - for the highest morality in the Quran is a step backward to the Old Testament's basic "an eye for an eye" and, though proclaiming that God is compassionate, misses the teaching and example of God's higher love that is expounded in the New Testament, which complements and supersedes the basic justice of "an eye for an eye" taught in the Old Testament - and which have lead thousands of Jesus'' followers to offer their lives in service and martyrdom among infidels - not while fighting against them, but while serving them.
When I first watched the claims of that man I was hoping o much to find a response to all those claims and alhamdulilah I found this the next day deep into my soul I knew there were answers to those false claims and here they are Allah is the most high and he surely always protects Islam ☪️
☪️The quran :
أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ ٱلْقُرْءَانَ ۚ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ ٱللَّهِ لَوَجَدُوا۟ فِيهِ ٱخْتِلَـٰفًۭا كَثِيرًۭا ٨٢
Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.
(4:82)
🕌Also the Quran:
۞ مَا نَنسَخْ مِنْ ءَايَةٍ أَوْ نُنسِهَا نَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍۢ مِّنْهَآ أَوْ مِثْلِهَآ ۗ أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ قَدِيرٌ ١٠٦
If We ever abrogate1 a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We replace it with a better or similar one. Do you not know that Allah is Most Capable of everything?
(2:106)
allah wont protect you lol his just as horrible as many of his prophets like muhammad
So I suppose some people need background here on this event.
Those who know me, will have seen me discussing some of his claims about 7 months ago, and so they will know I've dealt with him before and have experience with him.
Ismaeel had a lot of problems when it came to understanding Islam, and became very combative when disagreed with. For sometime, when he first joined Islam he became a hardcore Salafi. He spent many years in this understanding of Islam before getting burnt out and by making a 180 degree change. He then became an extreme Sufi, follow a completely different set of teachings, principles and beliefs. He found himself doing the same as he did when he was a Salafi, by arguing and debating people he viewed as following the wrong Islam.
It's important to note that he has had no formal training in Islam and so every time he jumped from one group to another, with each group vastly different from the other, he became less grounded in Islam and more grounded in argumentation. Finally, he also burnt himself out in being a Sufi and became a Qur'an-only follower. This however, was very short lived. Since I sort of know the history of the Qur'an and its manuscript tradition, I was able to explain how and why he was wrong. At that point in time he fundamentally did not grasp what a harf was, or what a qira'ah was. Yet he insisted on arguing about the topic.
Shortly after our public discussion he quit Facebook for a few months. When he returned, he began posting about Judaism and the problems he had with some Islamic beliefs. He seemed to indicate that he was combining bits and bobs from Islam and Judaism, thus falling out of Islam and creating a personal religion of some sort. He followed through on these ideas and whilel still identifying with monotheism, finally made the jump outside of Islam altogether recently.
So what has happened was not unexpected, it is not something that suddenly occurred, he has always had difficulty grounding himself in Islam and he jumped from one sect to another, time and time again. Finally, after being banned from his local Masjid and being ostracized from his community due to his extreme swings in beliefs and his manner of obstinate argumentation, he's finally publicly come out as leaving Islam. It's a foregone conclusion that this would have happened due to his previous behavioural patterns and when confronted, he usually ran to the excuse he'd studied Islam for X number of years.
Whatever faith he joins next, he'll jump from one sect to another. It just seems like he prefers his own religion rather than following an already established one. Reminds me of this ayah of the Qur'an:
"Indeed those who believe, then disbelieve and then again believe, then again disbelieve, and go further in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them, nor ever guide them to the path." - 4:137.
Regards,
Br. Ijaz
Amazing comment. opened my eyes to the entire scenario. Masha Allah
Mustafa Sahin really thank you for sharing that with us
Mustafa Sahin, Do you have an argument or just logical fallacies?
Jermaine Savory
Lol gave many chances yet he is so ignorant when it comes to Islamic sources
Zero in the qiraa’t islamic science
Zero in the Hadith and jarh and ta’adil scince
Zero in fiqh and usul
I doubt that you understand any of the terms I said but here is an info for you
In my country we studied that same Hadith Ishmael gave in Fourth grade
Ishmael did not bring anything new he just learned to read some Arabic but still ignorant and Idiot
@Jermaine Savory When I left Islam, I remained an ex Muslim for 3 years before eventually reverting back to Islam. I went straight from being a salafi to an agnostic atheist. Like him, I too was adamant on argumentation rather then clearing my confusions. Its what happens when Christians bombard the social media with their polemic lies. But no, Muslims themselves don't give Islam a chance, I know I didn't
Nothing will make me revert from Islam since i made my choice , the opposite is i am loving it more each year .
Nothing will convert you to another religion since you reverted to Islam, is a better sentence brother and Allah knows best!
That's the beauty of 'no compulsion and only Allah knows what's in your heart'.
Keep loving the religion which came about 600 years after Jesus walked the earth, and claims "reliably" that Jesus never died. Nice one.
@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG Yeah! And with all the evidences IT brings. And you keep worshipping Jesus even though he say not to worship him. Its all over your 'revised Bible'.
@@abdullahmacapoli1879 Don't Argue with these "Christians" They can't even explain their core belief, everyone has their own "version" And understanding of the trinity!! They don't have a leg to stand upon!!
Thank you so much for this comprehensive response. This is the first time I’ve seen such a clear and beautiful explanation of this topic. I recently reverted but this was in the back of my mind and I thought there has to be some explanation and there was!! Thank you very much
You had the intellectual response that the fake "ex- Muslim" should've had IF he truly was a believer and he clearly wasn't
Want to know something amusing?
People claim that they are wise, and on the right path, but when they watch videos like this, they get hateful. Even at the face of evidence, reason and logic, they deny it, and turn their backs. They are afraid of the truth, and they hate how right this person in the video is. Why?
Because they fear that they have now one less reason to hate Islam. And so the story goes, the more they listen to actual scholars and learned people of Islam, the less and less they have to hate about Islam. In the end they stand there, dumbfounded, realizing that they were ignorant all along. But before this happens, they feel foolish, and people hate to feel foolish and betrayed (by their churches, or what have you), so they go in denial, and start hating Islam even more.
Then again, to ignorance are many layers, and you need to peel off quite a few to even use your reasoning to begin with. Most people will not watch this entire video, and even if they do, they wont believe anything they hear from the man, as if the evidence is less trustworthy depending on whom it comes from. However, the evidence is there for them to see, clear as day, if they care to know the truth, that is.
This is not the sign of an honest and wise person. The wise and honest person would have been intrigued by this video, and start to expand his mind by learning more, and most importantly he would say "Maybe I was wrong about Islam". But the ignorant will never say such a thing.
+The Eye of Reason Nice to have a little contrast in the comments.. JazakAllahu khairan for your reasoning :)
Wa Antum fa Jazaakum Allaahu Khayran :)
1) Just implicit? Are you forgetting the hadith about Muhammad's men coming to him regarding "azl" with the "excellent Arab women" captives? Where Muhammad assured his men they don't have to take the precaution of using coitus interruptus? Is that not an EXPLICIT permission to rape? You are REALLY dancing around and playing lawyer games if you don't admit this is PERMISSION to rape captives. What? Because is is not SPELLED OUT anywhere that they "may rape captive women"? His men went to Muhammad for PERMISSION and he said "don't worry about it, what Allah has decreed will be".
2) Don't give me this crap about a single instance and "context". You know as well as I that the captive women were divvied up after virtually every conquest. Banu Qurayza, Banu Mustaliq, Kaybar, etc.
Plus, if this truly was a special case and not a blanket permission for the future, don't you think all-knowing Allah would have SPECIFIED this and made sure future Muslims don't take it as a general guideline? The radicals would say YOU are ascribing to Allah fallibility in this regard.
3)What? You counter these "implicit" permission by saying they don't hold up if they are contradicted by explicit commands to NOT rape in the Qur'an, but you fail to PROVIDE any! You IMPLY that there is a proscription against raping captives in the Qur'an, but of course none exists. All there is there is instructions on how to treat slaves, NOT any rules about whether or not you can rape them. And if you don't TELL a slave owner he can't rape his "right-hand possession", only a fool would say he was not allowed to. A slave must do as her master commands, right?
4) Did you just try to argue that these Qur'anic verses and sahih hadith accounts are to be ignored, since they are in conflict with the writings of early classical Islamic scholars? Did you just try to make that argument, when you and I know full well which sources trump which in this regard? You know damn well that no "scholar's interpretation" can supersede these sources, and you would dismiss such arguments in a second if they went against your thesis.
Weak arguments, and likely just taqiyya.
Ouch!!
Your 'right hand' is not supposed to posess anyone. Period.
Brother, thank you for taking the time to provide the evidences. Without people like you who study the literature completely we would not have clarity, only doubts. May Allah reward you in dunya and akhira for your service.
I will never in. My life be foolished myself leave my religion for blindminded do whatever you do because you u think breath well but know one day you will die and meet aday of judgement so all who change themselves and say nonsense they will regret when they buried and never come back for forgiveness I I'm Muslim and always proud to be Muslim
May Allah grant u janah and your family.. pls make more response to all Qur'an haters.. Philippines
Who wants to go to a porn house called jannah? Take his family too ? Can you?
I grew up in a non religious household. I've always believed in God but never cared for religion. I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist which ultimately led me to study Christianity which is a long story in itself but I want to keep this brief as possible. While researching I noticed many inconsistencies and always had a issue with the holy Trinity that I couldn't quite put my finger on. Fast forward to yesterday after years of not following any religion, I took the Shahada alone in my room. I've always believed in one God, Allah. and after learning just a little bit about Islam becoming a Muslim just feels right to me. I really don't know much about it but as I learn my beliefs are being confirmed. I did a little research before taking the Shahada and the fact that the Quran cannot be contradicted played a big part for me, since I've always had my own issues with the idea of Jesus being the son of god and other inconsistencies in the bible which the Quran seems to contextualise. The fact that the words in the Quran are exactly what Muhammad (praise be upon him) heard from Allah and that message has been passed down in perfect translation from teacher to teacher for over 1400 years is proof of the divine. And personally what I think it comes down to is the worshipping of idols when there is only one God worthy of worshiping, Allah. And praise be to the prophet Muhammad. I will continue to learn about Islam and try to become a better Muslim as I grow and mature I also plan to go to a mosque and do the Shahada with a Imam and make it official. Please leave any video links for information about Islam for beginners. Alhamdulillah.
Barakalloh fikum. I recommend Yaqeen institute,
Masha’Allah welcome to Islam. may Allah Help you and guide you. RUclips is full of information about islam just search something you want to learn about and I’m sure you’ll find it. Make sure to read comments just in case it’s someone spreading fake information
MashAllah welcome to Islam, if you want to learn more about Islam you can take help from different muftis on RUclips even like sheikh Asim Al Hakim islamic scholar Nouman Ali Khan, Yusuf Estes, Dr. Zakir Naik, Mufti Menk, Omer Suleiman, Dr Shabbir Ally.. i hope it helps . JazakAllah
Welcome to Islam brother, there is a lot to learn but just take it step by step and enjoy the jeruney you will be a better Muslims with time inshallah. I recommend reading:
- A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam
- The Religion of truth by Abdul Rahman Bin Hammad Al-Omar
- The Eternal Challenge - A Journey Through the Miraculous Quran
- Muhammad. A Prophet for Our Time
It's peace be upon him not praise be upon him
I were born Christian, at age of 22 I left Christianity, I spent 4 years searching for the truth.
Now I'm Muslim 100% and I won't ever leave it no matter what cos I know what the truth is.
Thank Allah for guiding me to the straight path through Quran.
My advice for everyone who is searching for the truth to read the Quran with friendly mind and read the History of Prophet Muhammad "Peace be upon him".
+John Smith Masha'Allah John Smith may Allah reward you for being steadfast and may He raise you in rank. Stay tuned for another response to this apostates latest video and you will understand what lead him to leave Islam. Salaam :)
Dear bro Islam doesn't need anyone We need Islam.
Welcome bro and may Allah (swt) reward you and I in the Akhira.
Of course you won't leave Islam. Islam won't let you leave it.
Fadhly Johari u r allowed to leave it there is no force u moron don't make claims u can't backup :p
amazing brother, May Allah reward you for clearly explaining the truth and debunking the claims made by ignorant people
m.ruclips.net/video/nNAS0aaViM4/видео.html
I'm a Christian and I've read the holy Qur'an twice and I don't see anything troubling with it. These anti muslim (anti Qur'an) comments come from Christians that haven't read The Bible, a book much more violent and troubling than the Qur'an in my opinion.
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Don't bother with him and those like him.
These kind of people existed during the Prophets time. Just make dua for him l
Thank you for your response. I am a Christian, but I believe in mutual respect for all people regardless of there believe. I find this exchange fascinating and appreciate your submission. Blessings to you.
He left Islam cause Muhammad married Aisah at six years old
@Denzo Dridz give me the verse
@Denzo Dridz verse that marry was 12 and Joseph was 90 when they merried
@Denzo Dridz hahaha... Muhammad Merry Aisha at six in Sahih Al Bukhari 62:64, sahih muslim 3327, sahih bukhari 5:58, sahih Bukhari 62:15. Read your hadith and Quran. Your prophet has many girls and pedofil. Give me Evidence our God three with accurately verse. I proof by verse, I hope response by verse
@Denzo Dridz are you sleeping bro
You have just inspired a 22 year old living in nl to buy these books and study.
Thank you
jazaak allahu gair
@john dowe
you are asking someone to not get more educated .
@john dowe you want angels to fall out of the sky?
@john dowe the fact that the evidence is present in your own body shows your ignorance.
Wah you're 28 naw.
Just a genuine question, rape of war captives is not allowed in islam, but sex is? Why on earth? I thought you can only have sex with the person you're married to...
Zahra Alzuraijawi muslim man are allowed to have sex with right hand possesora(currently not availaible) and the wives
Im also looking for that answer, since it's been 7 years maybe you already know the answer, if you still use your YT account please answer, thank you and have a wonderful day inshallah❤
"Do people think once they say, “We believe,” that they will be left without being put to the test?" (Al-Ankabut: 2)
May Allaah bless you brothers, you're a blessing to us here in the West! Love you for the sake of Allāh!
thank you for your response. I think this is the best response so far. when I was reading other people response I started to have seeds of doubt because either they were insulting the guy or they were saying its war and rules are different. but in my heart I knew the prophet saw the best of example to mankind could not permit this. your response was very polite and logical. the way Allah teach us to respond to arguments.
I hope he watches your video.
I waiting for your response to the second video now. as I dont know the story of maryam.
may allah bless you in both lifes ameem.
Let me get this straight:
He repeated the other man’s argument and he quoted Tafsir Ibn Kathir Vol 2 p422, which explains that Muslim men were not happy to have sex with the captive women because they already had living husbands. Then Muhammad revealed Q4:24 which says you can have sex with married captive women even if their husbands are alive. (around 3min 46 seconds into this video) “consequently we had sexual relations with these women” while their husbands were still alive.
(Around the 7 minute mark) He says:
“This argument is an implicit argument... there are actually no explicit statements to say that any female war captive was ever raped by any Muslim man...
Women who were war captives were protected from this behaviour and they were NEVER raped.”
That’s an astonishing ridiculous claim, especially given the quote from Ibn Kathir which he just read which explicitly said they had sex with the women even though they were married and their husbands were still living.
He is making the ludicrous assertion that all those women had consensual sex with the Muslim men...?!?!?!?!?
Then - his ‘historical’ evidence he presents (around 10 minutes into the video) was written hundreds of years after the events - by a Muslim.
That’s not credible evidence.
I was willing to give the video a chance, but that’s pathetic.
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Finally - he creates a different problem for Islam:
He says all the women were given back.
I really doubt that happened, but let’s say it did: what that means is that he is saying Allah and the Quran teach that fornication and adultery with captive married women is ok, that you can have consensual sex with captive married women while their husbands are alive, and then return the women afterwards.
So he is saying the Quran teaches a type of free love military prostitution/sex trade.
He didn’t solved the problem of immoral teaching in the Quran.
@@SpielbergMichael did you even watch the video
thank you for exposing the fraudulent ones. He has disregarded the rest of the Quran and its message that women are elevated and are equal to men. Its pretty sad that after 16 years of practicing islam he cannot even understand simple lines of the Quran. May Allah protect all of us WHO ACTUALLY ADOPT THE IDEA OF CRITICAL THINKING AND CRITICAL ANALYSIS from this.
This still does not answer why it was permissible in that moment to have "sexual relations" even if the women were consenting and the slave women and children they captured were now married under Islam, imagine now being the brothers and fathers they have come back in their shame for their woman and children back, Muhmmed was like "yea alright guys let them all go" and that woman goes back to her Father, her brother, her uncle, potentially her husband, with another mans splooge between her legs. This is blatant sexual immorality, please can someone answer this I don't care if it was under the guise of "marriage" this is not morally okay to have "sexual relations" with another mans daughter, another mans sister another mans wife and then send her back like nothing happened. So now if you come and tell me "well they asked for them back" would that mean then if they didn't ask those woman are just "yours" now because you won a war? Cause as shown in the video that Muhammed frees slaves as evidence, why didn't Muhammed just free them before the "sexual relations" why did he wait until he was asked, why does he not stay consistent one day he instantly frees slave the next he frees when he is asked or can use them in a hostage situation "your woman and children or 1million dollars". I mean no disrespect I'm just curious Please can someone help answer.
There is actually a response video by Dr Haitham talaat and the response to this if the captive were to be atheist the Muslim should never touch her but as a Christian or a Jewish woman they can be a right hand position but if they are okay with it if not then they would write down a book (divorce) and the man would pay referendum and help her financially but if the woman was consent and decided to convert then the marriage is legitimate another thing to bare in mind if she was promised or married then she wouldn't be touched and even after wars Muslims could release those captives out of generosity but if they were Muslim captives in the other side then an exchange would happen and as well the fact that if you rape a right hand position this means you will punished by adultery because the right position didn't consent to this and especially if promised or married and even if logically the man who sees a Jewish - Christmas woman with a child that always sticks with her he should immediately know she is married to someone and he should never be near her but if she was promised to someone and didn't obey her terms of relationship it's her fault because she didn't provide the soldier who had her as a right hand position this information nor even told him it's like me not saying "I am not single"in times of war and especially you don't know any information about this right hand position you have so the Jewish - Christian captive should tell them and the Muslim man that she is promised or either married but if she didn't even say that then it's her fault if on propose it's literally her fault and I don't know how it will be unintentional.
Excellent refutation. Now this is a Muslim, cool calm and collected with evidences. MashAllah.
السلام عليكم
جزاك اللهُ خيرًا
Dear brother, this refutation was so badly needed, may Allah bless u and ur family
i dont know where youre getting your information, but with some quick research, I opened the كتاب المغازي to the specific page you sited and it in fact does not contain the information you are talking about, did you think no one would check your sources or something?
Its allowed to lie in the Islam
@@dadomore1002its not allowed to lie about islam. Not about the religion. And not about verses or hadith. Dont be stupid
@@Melissa.s5522 its written 2 times in Koran thats allowed to lie for the succes of Islam! Mohammed also allowed to lie to murdered persons who criticized him. Who is stupid? Read your koran and hadit
@@dadomore1002YOU ARE A FOOL TELL ME WHICH VERSE SAYS THAT,THERE IS ONLY 3 CONDITIONS WHERE A MUSLIM IS PERMISSABLE TO LIE
1-in times of war where a Nazi would come looking for a innocent Jew and he asks me about his whereabouts I could lie to him and protect my Nazi friend and myself
2- about something related to hurting someone's feelings
3-And calming things down between Muslim brothers or not to make a full out war
Fajr, Zuhr, Asar, Maghrib and Isha
All prayers are equally important...
As a non muslim and, to be honest, occasional critic of Islam based on what I read from quran, hadiths and what information is available etc and with the lack of decent responses from many muslims online (either on comments, or even through some sites like islamhq), it's great to see someone here go in detail defending Islam and using rational arguments and logic to counter points made. I haven't seen all the video as yet, but will certainly do so and look forward to other videos the author has made to get a counter balance to the huge volume of anti islamic material available.
I'm not saying I'll be swayed one way or the other, just saying happy to have found someone who can provide counter arguments in a measured and steady manner.
I would be particularly interested if the author here reviews key videos from Acts17Apologetics (David Wood), who makes very convincing videoes (at least to the likes of myself who are not that detail in knowledge of Islam) and present his counter arguments.
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Muslims don't like David or Sam because they are exposing the lies of mohammad. I wonder how muslims can believe that Adam and Eve were muslim. Islam didn't even become a religion until after 600 AD (Before Christ).
"I wonder how muslims can believe that Adam and Eve were muslim. Islam didn't even become a religion until after 600 AD (Before Christ)."
When ignorance and hate speak...
copteralien,
It wasn't necessarily called 'Islam' at the time; to have Islam as your Deen (way of life - not just 'a religion') is to believe in *One* God, i.e. *Monotheism*, which has been from the beginning of time. With your logic (and I assume you're Christian) Adam and Eve were not Christians as Judaism 'got there first'. Muslims have to believe in the previous Holy scriptures (before they were changed) including the Torah and the Gospel (not the Bible), and all the previous prophets (peace be upon them) - including Jesus (peace be upon him) up to Muhammad (peace be upon him).
you are the ignorant...Islam is away of live ...every one wo lives this way is a muslim...
Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
In our view the man who rapes a woman, whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a “dowry” like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. End quote.
Al-Muwatta’, 2/734
@@analyzingsources6157 rubish. Dont tell lies
Haj ro,, it’s not lies
@@philosophicalanalysis1138 It is lies if there's no evidence
schwarzweißkamel, Providing no evidence doesn’t mean it’s lies, and I know it’s not lies because I’ve read the Qur’an and the Sunnah and Tasifr.
Also to say it’s lies without proof that it’s lies means it’s a lie to say it’s lies according to your reasoning.
So are you lying too by saying it’s a lie?
I will provide the evidence
A woman must have four witnesses to prove it’s rape:
Quran (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses, flog them..."
Quran (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."
Honest Approach, I was waiting for them to say that so I can show how dishonest they are.
Am Muslim Arabic native speaker but unfortunately your arguments fails against the issue the red guy has presented.
Hamdullilah. Kinda had a hunch that you were going to make a video about Ismail.
bink bee The fact is that he is not the first one to use these arguements against the umma. And the ones with the lowest iman among us is affected by them so these refuations are beneficial insha'Allah in my humble opinion.
Let me get this straight:
You repeat the other man’s argument and he quoted Tafsir Ibn Kathir Vol 2 p422, which explains that Muslim men were not happy to have sex with the captive women because they already had living husbands. Then Muhammad revealed Q4:24 which says you can have sex with married captive women even if their husbands are alive. (around 3min 46 seconds into this video) “consequently we had sexual relations with these women” while their husbands were still alive.
(Around the 7 minute mark) You say:
“This argument is an implicit argument... there are actually no explicit statements to say that any female war captive was ever raped by any Muslim man...
Women who were war captives were protected from this behaviour and they were NEVER raped.”
That’s an astonishing ridiculous claim, especially given the quote from Ibn Kathir which you just read which explicitly said they had sex with the women even though they were married and their husbands were still living.
You are making the ludicrous assertion that all those women had consensual sex with the Muslim men...?!?!?!?!?
Then - your ‘historical’ evidence you present (around 10 minutes into the video) was written hundreds of years after the events - by a Muslim.
That’s not credible evidence.
I was willing to give your video a chance, but that’s pathetic.
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Finally - you create a different problem for Islam:
You say all the women were given back.
I really doubt that happened, but let’s say it did: what that means is that you are saying Allah and the Quran teach that fornication and adultery with captive married women is ok, that you can have consensual sex with captive married women while their husbands are alive, and then return the women afterwards.
That’s a type of free love military prostitution/sex trade.
You haven’t solved the problem of immoral teaching in the Quran.
I believe this guy is like Jay Smith who learnt Islam to attack it from the inside. He is described in SUrah Al Imran Ayah 72: And a faction of the People of the Scripture say, "Believe in that which was revealed to the believers at the beginning of the day and reject it at its end that perhaps they will return [i.e., abandon their religion], (Ali 'Imran [3] : 72)
Most common entrance to doubt by those attacker is by make doubting the Prophet by just taking one nas or even portion of it, then painting our Prophet is most wrongful and unethical ways.
Always turn to scholar, examine their points with an open hearts..
Hope Allah lead and keep us all towards Jannah
Thank you brother for your explaination. I was born muslim and I do not know all this story that you explained here nicely. Today's society changing so quickly and people are acusing islam and Muhammad s.a.w.s wrongly. They present evidence such a way that somethime I myself ask to myself what is this and I feel bad. This makes me feel good that there is nothing wrong in islam that was directed by Muhammad s.a.w.s. May Allah s.w.t forgive me that I had some doubts in my heart after i listened to that man (Converted2Islam). Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
It is extremely normal to have questions , but create a foundation that you don't doubt your religion until you truly tried everything to know the answer. Even i didn't know how to answer this guy but i knew that he was wrong by just saying islam allows rape, i did lack knowledge there but in the same time knew that i do lack it so Always humble your self and consider that it is your fault that you misunderstood the issue. So be objective all the time, collect information and decide by knowledge not by lack of knowledge. Islam encourage you to ask so that you learn and be confident and feel peace inside you. Never act arrogance by ignoring information. Always have good intentions and always ask for ALLAH guide and do what pleases him and you will be fine :D.
So the guy who converted had a bad method to learn islam. He didn't learn it's history or the definitions/concepts of quran ..etc , so imagine how many issues he have with islam because of his fault. Imagine how many things he misunderstood without realising it.
That's why it is important to humble our selfs and always keep our learning state on even after our decisions. If he is truly honest he will check his questions in a better method from now on.
***** Exactly, you don't even need more explanation from hadith when it comes to rape. Quran in this issue is very clear, even if there is one hadith that contradict with quran it is immediately thrown out or ignored. If we keep learning quran again and again things become more clear and connected. Every time i start reading quran again i learn something new that i didn't understand before or even realise it is there, every time i humble my self i grow more.
tiger WWE ameen akhi I think you need know the difference between doubt and wiswaswa of Satan sometime Satan put a wiswas in head making you think it's doubt if you have fortress of muslim there is dua if you get stir in your emaan
60:1
O you who have believed, do not take My enemies and your enemies as allies, extending to them affection while they have disbelieved in what came to you of the truth, having driven out the Prophet and yourselves [only] because you believe in Allah , your Lord. If you have come out for jihad in My cause and seeking means to My approval, [take them not as friends]. You confide to them affection, but I am most knowing of what you have concealed and what you have declared. And whoever does it among you has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way.
60:2
If they gain dominance over you, they would be to you as enemies and extend against you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they wish you would disbelieve
3:149
O you who believe! If you obey those who disbelieve, they will send you back on your heels, and you will turn back (from Faith) as losers
This is one of the best responses to such a sensitive subject. My question is what is the conclusion with regards to the sahih Hadiths which appear to go against the historical episodes.
Could you please clarify, let's say that the argument was not rape, but rather sexual relation with consent with one whom your right hand possesses. Since in the tafsir of Ibn-Kathir, that they eventually had sexual relation. So, the question is, Is there any problem with Ibn-Kathir's translation into English from Arabic? Is the tafsir of Ibn-Kathir is not reliable in itself? Or, the sexual relation with consent outside of marriage, which is an adultery, even with whom your right hand possesses is permissible?
See it is permissible when the right hand position is to consent and not have married before this and not to be pregnant or an atheist or having a child indicating she is happily married
People like him leaving should give us more motivation do stay in the right path and make dua to allah to give us steadfastness and understanding
i know its late but ramadan mubarak to all of you brothers
eid mubarak
Aid mabtouk.
Eid Mubarak
Eid Mubarak!
eid too u all
he is clearly a fake, he was Muslim for 16 years! let that number sink into your head a little, SIXTEEN YEARS!
Who cares.
All things are possible.
he is a missionary
the quran describes what he did in 3:72: And a faction of the People of the Scripture say [to each other], "Believe in that which was revealed to the believers at the beginning of the day and reject it at its end that perhaps they will abandon their religion,
I don't know if it was fake or not, I wouldn't be surprised if it was fake considering how far people will go.
trust me their are a lot of fake apostates (people that were barely Muslim to begin with).
The money and the time they are investing in lies and propaganda show us how much they panic about the spreading of Islam ! Sobhana Allah !.....
I'm confused : Isis and other extremely violent Islamic groups are following holy scriptures in letter .
Yet you are claiming basically what is "mantra" of many apologist's - "the Islam is religion of peace" .
Can you explain please , which version of Quran , which Hadiths and what kind of Sharia , are they following . Obviously you are talking about different "flavor" of Quran .
There is no versions of Quran,,
Neither they are following the Quran instead these isis are following the biblessss in letter,, killing men women, babies, animals and so on🤣🤣🤣
I had similar doubts as brother Ismaeel, and this video cleared them up COMPLETELY. May Allah bless you and give us all guidance.
-JAZAKHALLA KHAIR
you are still blind . some days i pray ur eyes become opened.
Just shows he never read the teaching of Muhammad saw. Wtf has this guy been doing for last 16 years..
it's really stupid, 16 years he didn't read the Quran lol
Alhamdulillah! Once again the truth prevails over falsehood.
Wjat truth? Jesus is the truth not mohammed (because he is dead and Jesus is alive!!!)
You have no savior in Islam I pity you.....my bible teaches to love my neightbors you Quaran teach to kill the unbileivers....
+fortin francis your saviour is our Prophet. The one you call the Son of God is himself a Muslim. Jesus (peace be upon him) loves us and we in turn love him.
Jesus is not just a prophet, he is son of god...being just a prophet means he is just human but jesus was more he died for our sins on the crosss mohammed did nothing for human kind.
fortin francis
Why are you lying about Jesus (pbuh) ? why are you following Paul the Liar, creator of this Satanic Cult and legitimate son of Satan ???
Why can't you believe Jesus (pbuh) ??? Why can't you believe in his god and your god, ALLAH (swt) ???
Why do you definitively want to go to Hell ? Do you think its a good place to spend the Eternity ???
Jesus Christ is the one and only almighty God! Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!
Well researched and convincing explanation for a superficial allegation. Thank you brother for this piece of information..
How can he accuse the sahaba of rape when we know Zina is a major sin
it's so stupid it makes my head hurt lol
No my brother you don't understand. Listen carefully to this brother he is right. Also see my recent reply to 'why I left Islam'.
no.. he isn't stay of the drugs
***** there's no double speak, you claim to understand the Quran which you don't , doesn't matter how many essays you post in the youtube comments
+azizrampage
You muslims say that the Bible is the word of God, why therefore don't you believe it? Why therefore do you believe the Quran over it? Why don't you believe the Lord Jesus Christ when he says in the Bible, he is the Son of God? The Bible says he is the Son of God, the Quran which came 700 YEARS AFTER the Bible says he is not. A clear contradiction.
very professionally done providing all the evidence just how the Quran asks us too and using all classical interpretations & authentic narrations with no inovated interpretations.When the truth reaches the falsehood it smashes it into pieces exposing the truth.Muslims need to always remember Islam IS THE TRUTH and when they have doubts they should seek knowledge in all aspects of Islam.
+Firm Footing 100%
legendary _mus.k indeed alhamdulillah
ServiceProcess you are a ignorant individual who clearly isn’t educated at all of Islam when we derive peace and why would be mention horrific things in the Quran. You know groups like Isis are mentioned as “groups of killing” Don’t make such dumb arguments without any sort of knowledge of true Islam we are peaceful and loving and we would love to aspect anyone who wants to join with open arms.
@Cryoshark ummm no contradictions in the quran, you're thinking about the bible (well one of them)
And islam was not spread by the sword, you're thinking about christianity.
@Cryoshark oh, I'm the one that has no idea?
I know my history very well and I can confirm that the prophet (pbuh) NEVER attacked anyone unprovoked.
You're may be right about how christianity started but you know more than me what they did on this earth.
Maybe you should read the sira of the prophet (pbuh) before throwing claims like this.
His arguments are lame, and he can barely make any sense. This guy is just lying through both sides of his mouth, typical Taqiyya and first line of defense of Islam: deny the obvious facts with a poker face. That on the one hand. On the other hand, this guy asks for a single example of a rape by any Muslim in the times of Mohammed. Well, he forgot the rape of Safiyya (Safia), which Mohammed himself perpetrated right after killing her husband and her male relatives. Sure Mohammed married the poor woman before having sex with her, and, because of that marriage, Muslim scholars will claim that it was all legal and OK. But you must ask yourselves: what woman would have consenting sex with the man that killed her husband and all her male relatives just a few hours before? The forced marriage is clearly irrelevant. That was rape, pure and simple. You can read the story with references here: www.danielpipes.org/comments/52750
The only taqiyya I see is from christians.
Thank you brother dawah you have done a great work respects May Allah reward you and grant you Janna, ameen.
Thank you Doctor, may Allah reward you
I urge everyone to like and comment on this video so it can reach more people
Mashallah! I have to make some notes. Excellent knowledge. May Allah Bless you and Increase your knowledge ameen!
I'm confused about my Islamic faith because some historical facts are undeniable
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JazakAllah for the work you are doing. Perfect response. I pray that his soul never loses faith in Allah(SWT) ever again.....Ameen.
Ameen
This apology is pathetic. Under no circumstances, does any decent society today find it acceptable to take the wives of the combatants captive and have sex with them. Yet the best example of a man Islam has to offer finds this acceptable and by divine permission. Sorry, dance around all you want. It is not acceptable.
you are a lier and hypocracy there is a verse which stated that the slavery in your coran
Brookhorse girl at 9 years old at that time at arab already matured
'Decent society today'?? Dude we are talking abt record happens after war arnd 1400 years ago which opposing enemy bring their wives and children to war and fled leaving them(why dun ask me y), after that war captives are freed and slaves is abolished (which slavery was started by empires before islam came, which one? Well dun ask me should be the older civilization) and if u wanna talk abt now? Have u seen what happened with war in ukraine recently? How many family and women fell victims to rape? Which Muslim country involves?Leme guess they follow our teaching too?
And abt the stereotypical remarks on our prophet marrying a 6 yr old.well guess wat it's not.islamic calendar calculation shows aisha was arnd 19 at that time,too many hadith writers can give wrong estimations.and guess what she never get pregnant and no one talks abt this. So what this means ? How would you provide an evidence that our prophet PBUH had intercourse with underage or her as a legal wive?
Eid Mubarak belated! Please if possible do a written transcription of this nice video and work.
....."Worship Allāh and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy,... and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allāh does not like those who are self-deluding and boastful". (Holy Quran 4:36)
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) says:
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
"The last words which the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) spoke were: Prayer, prayer; fear Allah about those whom your right hands possess."
This is bullshit im an ex Muslim and what are you saying is Forgery
سبايا أوطاس كان عندهم أزواج وثنيين ، اصحاب محمد تحرجو من ممارسة الجنس معهم لأن هذا كان يعد فعلا قبيحا عند العرب أن يمارس أحد الجنس مع سبية و زوجها على قيد الحياة .....
ثانيا ، لماذا لم تذكر ان محمد عرض على وفد أوطاس إما أن يأخذو معهم أموالهم التي غنمها المسلمون ، إما أن يأخذو نسائهم و أولادهم الذين سباهم المسلمين ، يعني أن محمد لم يحررهم بسبب إنسانيته ، لأنه خيرهم بين المال أو الأهل
The captives of Utas had pagan husbands, the companions of Muhammad, who were embarrassed to have sex with them, because this was considered an ugly act among the Arabs for someone to have sex with captive woman while her husband was alive.....
Secondly, why did you not mention that Muhammad Why did you not mention that Muhammad offered the Otas delegation either to take with them their money that the Muslims plundered, or to take their women and children whom the Muslims enslaved, meaning that Muhammad did not set them free because of his humanity, because he made them choose them between the money and their women and childreen.....
You still haven't refuted his main point. Islam does allow sex slavery. All the major schools Hanafi,shafi,hambali, maliki etc. agrees that muslims can have sex with captured female sex slaves.
I don't believe he actually converted, he pretended to gain knowledge and discredit Islam.
it bothered me a brother I once loved to watch went and denounced Islam. He was such a wonderful man. Thank allahu subhana wa ta alah that I found a brother that responded and really helped. When I saw that video I was so sad because I was like watching his other recent videos. He says he doesn't agree with what the prophet would have done to Muslims today that don't go to pray on Fridays at the mosques and what kind of a creator would make him a prophet and I'm here like HES DONE SO MANY WONDERFUL THINGS AND YOUR DISMISSING HIS AUTHENTICITY BECAUSE OF WHAT HE WOULD SUPPOSEDLY DO TO MUSLIMS TODAY. Then belittling the lord for appointing him... I thought to myself. Of all the wonderful experiences you've had because of this but because of what you think he would have done had he been alive today you turn your back on the messenger and the creator? Simply because you don't agree with one thing, that if you think about has actually nothing to do with following the path itself. Even if someone did disagree in that manner.... I see very few points in Islam that I disagree. no points actually. but he has a few. not too many. enough to separate him from Allah apparently butwhile with those few issues. think of how many issues he saw in regular every day life of the people who don't fear god. Like I see so much wrong with so much going on today... I'm sure as a Muslim he would have agreed. now take those few points that he doesn't grasp yet honestly and trade them for all those points of why you brought Islam into your life. He traded his wealth for error... Make dua for him please.
this is about converted to Islam BTW
Each guy today read some random readings think that he became a scholar of Islam, even that Abu Ismail said it clearly that he left Islam because of the Islamohpobes would ask him questions and he failed to respond. So the main problem of those ex-Muslims or Islamophobes in general is ignorance. What he and others are doing are just picking up random narrations from our heritage books which many of it are inauthentic, but they can't realize this because of their ignorance, especially in Hadith terminology.
Ramon Rivera: So in other words , since you dont disagree with anything in islam,you think its okay for men to have sex with little girls. Rape women??? Do you think safyah ,married muhammed then had sex with him the same day he killed her husband , father and brothers because she loved him. Really!!! Would any woman love the man who just killed her whole family?? Would you Have married him under the same curcumstances
athiestami You are doing exactly what I mentioned above! Where did you learn about Islam? thereligionofpeace, or wikiislam or Jihadwatch? These are your main sources without doubts.
I have been studying islam for the last 6 years. I have owned several different translations of the koran .I also am familiar with the hadith, bukhari, muslim.
Jazak'ALLAHu khayran, brother for clarification. I also once had questions regarding this topic, and alhamdulilah it was cleared very beautifully few years ago. Hearing this again makes me even more certain of the overall beauty of our deen. Clearly it is a mercy from ALLAH.
Notice how the enemies of Islam try to cast doubts into the hearts of the believers using female related topics? I guess they don't know that 1 of my top favorite things about Islam is the role I am given as a Muslim woman.
Thank you very much Imran for the dawah Truly appreciate all the videos I've watched and thanks to Abbas along with brother Hamza.
Thank for this deep explanation ... This will stop the Islamic haters who try to find anything to deform the Islamic Character ... May Allah rewards you Jannat AL Firdaus !!!1
this was an amazing comeback the truth nothing but the truth supanallah. great job brother
*Subhan Allah
Eid Mubaarak
Islam was created by the Vatican...Jesuit priest Alberto Rivera attested to this
@@evilbindahood Islam was created by the true god
Subhan'Allah **
@@evilbindahood are you that dumb ??? 🤣😒
Most people today don't understand the purpose of marriage in the ancient world. It was an imperfect solution to protect women because of their unequal social standing. If they didn't have a husband (protector), they would end up destitute and probable resort to prostitution. This was a common strategy back then to prevent the decline of society.
Marriage wasn't about love, and it didn't always lead to sex right away if at all. That's why many ancient religions used to permit marriage of young women and polygamy. It was a male dominated society on a global scale, and women had no means of supporting themselves.
This is a decent rebuttal, but it doesn't address why women need this protection in the first place. Shouldn't Muhammad just say respect women and stop treating them like property if he was a true prophet of god? Just my thoughts.
Don't forget Muhammad ﷺ came at a time where this patriachal society was a problem, so he had to deal with the problem. Simply saying "respect women" wouldn't solve the problem, he was realistic, and took a gradualistic approach to solving this issue as with many issues.
Oh thank you brother and may Allah bless you with all the best for providing the most comprehensive reply to this most contentious of verses. I have been researching this for about a year and have disturbed and unsatisfied by my findings thus far. But all the mountain of evidence negating the ugly accusation, is irrefutable. And I can finally put this matter to rest.
jazakallah khair brother, he refuted abu adam very well, abu adam just shows one side of the story, isoletes parts of the storys denying other parts of the story and then gives a horrible interpretation, this brother shows the other side of the story shows other narrations, gives historical facts and islamic rulings which contradict abu adams claims. may allah bless you brother
I am not a Muslim but I noticed that I cannot talk about muslims, islam or Mohammed in even a neutral manner around christians, and them just, relax and not get defensive about the subject. Like it's required to come in blaspheming someone elses beliefs for them to accept the conversation, and it's very annoying because it makes me think they are simply afraid, and experiencing some serious cognitive dissonance, they insist on being intellectually dishonest, they act like I'm playing the advocate for the literal devil and his hoards, but demonstrate that they know very little about it. I don't know what to do about that but it frustrates me that I "have to" agree with lies around people who insist that they only deal in truth. Just needed to get that off my chest and I have no one to say it to.
Can't talk about Ishmael in anything near a positive light, either. Stopped going to church because I can't talk about anything without getting singled out for wrong think.
@@murkywaters1931 110% I was thinking about being Christian for a long time and that was the same problem I faced. No matter who you brought up, as soon as the person was from another religion, they bashed them. Even if you came with evidence they would say "The devil is misguiding you"
The taqiyya chart is high on this one
One thing is ordering his soldiers what to do vs what Mohammed actually did. You gave a very dishonest answer, you said all women/captives were returned to their families, that is false, look at Safiyas example, Mohammed had her husband killed and he forced her as wife. He could only marry her if her husband was dead so he had to kill him. Tho you don't call it rape, those captive women where coerced to have sex, how can anyone under supreme authority feel they have the power to say no? The worst thing Mohammed did was to marry a 6yo there is no rebuttal for that, all rebuttals go down the trash when Mohammed could have taken her as a daughter. Following his other actions of stealing his adopted son's wife, it is evident Mohammed was driven by lust.
Mohammed raped the 9 years old aisha
Marriage is not valid, if the women dont give her yes
@@Melissa.s5522 the woman in Islam dont have righrs
@@dadomore1002 marriage is invalid, without yes from the girl
I think you are missing the point all together. You have to ask permission to the women to have sex with them, not to any so-called god nor self-proclaimed prophet, if you don't ask women for permission it isn't consensual sex therefore it's rape. Also, you shouldn't kidnap, enslave, nor murder people. All in all is quite dodgy.
Strawman comment, who is saying that you can have sexual relations with them without their consent? Its known you have to have their permission.
Permission is required dumbass, did you not listen to the video?
Masha' Allah Brother may God bless you and increase your knowledge (but say, “O my Lord! advance me in knowledge.”)[020:114]
May Allah grant you jannah, would you be able to make a series refuting these types of claims against islam so we can utilise it to our benefit too
I think that guy just made a fake claim of becaming an ex muslim. Actually it is very hard to leave Islam once you learn the content with sequence and proper scholars/ teachers because everything in it is rationally true & full of evidences
Finally i found a video from a scholar to clear my confusion about the other persons video
Surat At-Tur 52: 24
There will circulate among them [servant] boys [especially] for them, as if they were pearls well-protected.
يَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ وِلْدَانٌ مُّخَلَّدُونَ بِأَكْوَابٍ وَأَبَارِيقَ وَكَأْسٍ مِّن مَّعِينٍ
There will circulate among them young boys made eternal with vessels, pitchers, and a cup [of wine] from a flowing spring.
- Surat Al-Waqi'ah 56: 17-18
وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ وِلْدَانٌ مُّخَلَّدُونَ إِذَا رَأَيْتَهُمْ حَسِبْتَهُمْ لُؤْلُؤًا مَّنثُورًا
There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls.
- Surat Al-Insan 76:19
Bukhari in his book ( Al-Adab Al-Mufrad ) الأدب المفرد )
Sahih (Al-Albani) صـحـيـح (الألباني) حكم :
English reference : Book 48, Hadith 1182
Arabic reference : Book 1, Hadith 1182
Then he left and I left with him until we reached the mosque. He sat down and wrapped himself in his garment. Then he said, ‘Where is the little one? Call the little one to me.’ Hasan came running and jumped into his lap. Then he put his hand in his beard. Then the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, opened his mouth and put his tongue in his mouth. Then he said, O Allah, I love him,
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.
Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan
He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis..
” روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hassan or al Husein رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart and kissed his (little) penis
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Whenever Allah’s Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to accompany him with a tumbler full of water. (Hisham commented, “So that he might wash his private parts with it.”) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 152; see also Numbers 153-154)
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الراوي: معاوية المحدث: الهيثمي
In this Sahih tradition, the words “For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire” show that there were indeed Others too whom Prophet (saw) kissed on the lip and tongue.
” خلاصة حكم المحدث: رجاله رجال الصحيح غير عبد الرحمن بن أبي عوف وهو ثقة ”
Al-Amin Al-Ma’moun - Biography of Muhammad, Chapter: “The first people to believe in the prophet.”
…For it was narrated by Fatimah Bint Asad, the mother of Ali, who related that when she gave birth to her son, it was the prophet who named him Ali and the prophet spat in Ali’s mouth then allowed him to suck on his tongue till he fell asleep.
This brother has given a concise response to the writer who claimed or give reason for leaving Islam. He has deliberately maligned the religion of Islam. He fails to realize that their are over a billion adherents to the faith of Islam and this can be offensive to Muslims and their love for their Creator and the Prophet pbuh.
Thank you brother for your clarification. I trust that the writer wHo had claimed and opted out of Islam has done a service to Islam. He is an apostate and punishment is doomed for him in the hereafter.
Muhammad was more like a warlord Than a prophet To me. Im not religious but i would consider People like Martin L king, gandhi and Jesus more like prophets. They never harmed a soul.
I think that's an unbalanced view of history. Muhammad was a head of state. He dealt with issues as they arose. And in 7th century Arabia, battlewas a recurring event.
The men I mentioned to you were subjected to violence aswell. They could've reacted with violence too but they didnt. Violence is a matter of choice.
Muhammad in his early days acted like a peacful man but when his followers grew to the point he could form a millitia he became the ruthless man we know.
I REALLY want to have this discussion but it seems you have a few things wrong:
Muhammad followers did not simply grow in number and them simply start attacking people.
He was boycotted for years and starved
He was INVITED to be the leader of a city and accepted
He ESCAPED assassination when he left to his new city
You sound like a christian.
Are you a pacifist?
there is a popular saying
"peace is more than the absence of war"
do you believe this?
Can someone "fight" for peace?
does self defense make one a man of violence?
Muhammad in his early days not "act" like a peaceful man he was a peaceful man.
The men you mentioned above to me were not HEADS OF STATE. Muhammad was President and commander in chief of his nation. And his nation was HATED and ATTACKED
As president and commander in chief, what is Obama's job should the united states come under attack?
What would MLK do if he were in Obama's shoes?
be non violent?
NO!
They would ensure the safety of their people.
That means meeting the enemy in battle.
Or signing treaties and ending conflicts.
We live in the real world
Again, I think you're being unfair to history.
Muhammad was neither a saint nor a sword wielding demon. He was a man and should be understood as such.
sign4888 muhammads armies went out to conquer lands which did not belong to them. They invaded europe, levant and north africa while none of them, the romans nor persians ever attacked or threatened them.
He was not a peacful man but very brutal and contradicting. In my opinion he made up revelations to fit his own interests but that left aside. Ill give you one example of his brutality: chopping the heads off hundreds of jewish men and boys with his own bare hands on a single day. That makes isis seem soft. There are countless of similar brutal acts you can find in hadith.
Again, I dont see a prophet here but a ruthless warlord. But a succesful one.
And no im not a christian.
We're talking about Muhammad here.
His greatest accomplishment was taking over his home city that he was at war with and uniting the Arabs.
Muhammad died shortly after hostilities began with the Romans
You said:
the romans nor persians ever attacked or threatened them?
What are you reading?
so you think
Muhammad was hostile with the Romans, one of the World powers at the time? Because what? he thought it was fun?
Does that make sense?
There are narrations in islamic sources that say muhammad sent messages to them and they killed his messengers. This in ancient times as well as today was seen as an obvious declaration of war!
did he make up revelations?
that's besides the point.
Ah the famous hundreds of Jews beheaded.
Apparently now Muhammad did this all by himself? without getting tired? because he's that savage? Oh yeah, lets bury them in the marketplace because that makes sense.
Its obvious that this story is highly embellished. The savagery is embellished. but who would embellish such a story?
Muhammad, or his followers?
the blood thirsty Muhammad would surely have boasted of his annihilation of these people in his book
but all we find is:
"some you killed and some you took captive"
why is there no mention of all the great slaughter? Since when has 600 to 900 killed people referred to as "some"?
The first place we find this referenced is in Ibn Ishaq and he has two descendants of the same Jewish tribe as his source years after the fact.
Does this make any sense to you?
And you introduced his story without saying there are reports of treachery from the Jewish side which began the entire thing.
The problem Imran is that the hadiths you stated are weak...in Tabakat Ibn Saad the hadith you stated does not have a chain and in Ahkam Al Quran the hadith you stated is mursal and mursal hadiths are weak. Also, the hadith in Kitabl Al Maghazi is weak. The hadith in Sunan Al Kubra is also weak. So the evidence you brought are all weak and cannot be used as evidence.
I'm an ex-Muslim and I liked this video. You didn't try character assassination calling that guy a Jew or a fraud. You are allowing comments on the video and you are actually discussing the context of Coverted2Islam's problems
Why "Converted2Islam" not answering this video?
Wow he gave the name of the lady and the name of the man who was killed by Your prophet himself and his wife taken and Your prophet had sex with her, one of his body grads was afraid for the prophets life and he told the prophet that he slept at the door because he tought the lady will attack the sex monger
Absolutely brilliant refutation. The blessed Muhammed peace be upon him came to emancipate the slave. The culture of slavery was well established before and in his time. He duty was to slowly have away with it.
May Allah increase our faith and bless those who genuinely seek the truth. And may his blessing be upon all his messengers and especially upon the best of his creation, Muhammed Sallilahu Alaihi Wasalaam.
it was confirmed on Sura to emancipate people from slavery (Sura 90-13 It is the freeing of a slave)
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you said a fact, prove it
Ameen!
Christians were the first to end slavery, christians pioneered all modern science, christians pioneered human rights, christians built the modern world and the technology that has given you so much. the middle east may have oil but it was the WEST that was able to get it out of the ground.
dalmurja I do get to give credit to Christians because they discovered modern science . Right is right
Mashallah brother, I kept having doubts about his story, something did not seem right and I could not point it out. Now it makes more sense.
Since the verse was related in the context of whom you can marry, I naturally thought it was just saying that war captives are okay to marry (but not until they give up paganism). Still, in the back of my mind was a doubt, which has been relieved by your research. So far, you are the only person on RUclips, who has produced the citations that your conclusions are based on. We converts can't read Arabic in the way you can and most books are not translated into English. Even if they were translated, not everyone is careful or knowledgeable to do it correctly. They may even say or imply the opposite of what they want to say, leaving converts further confused. So thank you for discussing this topic with thoroughness and grace. I wish there were many more refutations like this. It's a shame, and detrimental to Islam, that more "scholars" don't research thoroughly and then have the guts to put it out there.
يهدي من يشاء ويضل من يشاء.
The amount of dislikes is funny! Amazing how people can't accept the truth even if it shit on their face 1000 times in a row.
@Taimoor Khan Can you show me one?
@Great Khan Oh an wild ex Muslim (or Christian)
Ezekiel 23 ur answer is there
@Great Khan show me the Hadiths you are talking about.
Hello, you're a muslim from England I guess ? But let's be human , let's be general.
If you are in love with an atheist or hindu woman , would you reject that because the quran tells you ?
See , I don't want the quran telling me who to love, who to marry or what to do with my own body.
Is everything Allah says 100% good ? I realized it is not , but how do you view this ?
Please answer me , I'm gonna be polite to you. I swear on Allah.
may Allah bless and reward the brother for clarifying this matter, let's hope that Abu Adam repents sincerely to Allah and returns to Islam, cause leaving it won't help him in front of Allah after knowing Islam is the truth and it has been made clear!
In Coran, no sexual relation can take place between man-women outside marriage organization within the society standards.
What I heard in this video is absolutely what was introduced in the islam for personal interest the same way as was the case for Christianity and Judaism, no difference. The only difference is that Coran was never changed and every one can study and search for such things in the Coran => the Coran do not contain such unethical and inhuman ideas.
What about sex within a forced or temporary marriage?
I'm a Christian and I can see how phony that ex Muslim is, first he was an ex minister of the gospel then left Christianity because he found things wrong in the Bible. Then he went to Islam proclaimed his "truths" for 16 years and is now finding Islam to be false. Look it when you're a supposed Christian minister and go to Islam Muslim organizations want to hear your story, same when you're ex Muslim who turns Christian. These organizations pay to hear your story to uplift their followers. Ministry involves big money and I tell you that ex Muslim guy is just after fame. Now that the media is attacking Islam what a precise time to start denouncing Islam and gain followers and money. I question his sincerity in regards to my religion and when he was a supposed Muslim.
I lost confidence in your account when you said in a battle men brought with them their women and children, at one point all the men fled leaving all the women and children alone. That is not believable, that is Islamic fantasy or an excuse to justify the atrocities that for sure happened after that.
That is why Muslim stories are not reliable. Any real proof of that story or just the Muslim tale?
Ummm... The video he responded to was also using Muslim sources, but out of context. He on the other hand referenced them all with context. Just denounce both vids if it's a fairy tale to you and go about your day.
@@slaveofgod3481 No, the video he responded to was carefully analyzed from Islamic sources IN CONTEXT.
Islamic sources said that Muslims are allowed to have sex with women given to them after being captured as slaves.
This DOCTOR, said no scriptures state Muslims had indeed SEX WITH THESE WOMEN.
What? What a joke. You expected Muslims to report the next day they had sex with their slaves? Are you serious?
They were given permission to have sex with the condition that these women were not during their menstruation period.
Is it clear now?
I’m currently an Muslim struggling with her faith, and are looking for reasons to stay. Now here are some issues I have with these arguments being made, any opinions are welcomed.
1. Just because the sheer reason of these rules not being enforced (as the commentator claims that no evidence are found of slave women being r*ped) doesn’t mean that this rule is fair or moral. On the contrary, I can even make a point of it being immoral to a point where people of the age weren’t even incline to follow it. This is one of the ways that Muslims solidify their beliefs, by saying that because something isn’t enforced therefore it is moral, which is logically very flawed. Similar arguments are made with examples from wife beating to having up to four wives, or even child marriages.
2. If this verse contradicts with other parts of the Hadith or even the Quran, doesn’t it mean that either a)one of these verse must be false b)the Hadith or even the Quran contradicts itself and therefore is flawed?
I am in no way claiming to know the religion the best. But I am struggling to maintain my faith after seeing some verses and arguments made by the Quran and Hadith. If anyone is reading this, your response will be highly appreciated.
What i suspected about the so called ex muslim is that, his claim is one of the most if not the most argument use against islam by the Islamic haters so i am surprise that it took him 16 years to realize that, i am sure he knew and heard this before he became muslim if ever that was true.
But if you look at this objectively. Some people hear things about things or people they really love; and they don't want to know (probably the way you are). He on the other hand; had reached a point where he felt he had to face these head on with facts. It turns out on investigation that his truth ... Islam .. is a lie. He has a honest heart; he has to go with truth; so he rejects islam. You seem to know this claim as being one of the most used against islam; but you don't seem to have an answer for it; could it be that you are more like a goat. You just follow blindly with your head down. This man has put in the work and had to come to the difficult conclusion that the islam he loved and the messenger he followed is a lie.
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Shlomo
If you come here just to reuse what your friends from the Satanic Cult of Paul the Liar have told you to say (like monkey say monkey do). Your just are more silly than anything else.
Go and buy yourself a real life !
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Shlomo ya ben zona ya kelev
The only lies when can see around here are always coming from your brothers at the Hasbara of Tel-Aviv! You keep your lies up by trying to change them anyhow into a kind of truth, but by no means you can change them like that !
Once again, go and by yourself a real life and stop trolling and polluting the web with your propaganda lies !
M. Andersson: The truth does not fear your false god.
Thanks . . . .for such detailed refutation .
Ya Allah don't let our hearts deviate after you have guided us . . .Ameen. And protect us from the whisperings of the satan
Shabir Ahmed. But he admitted that Islam condones slavery. That is the point.
@@MohamedAhmed-gq2wl the bible condones slavery and worse
I’m confused on how this can be debated if this is in the QURAN? 4:24. I understand you are claiming the historicity is not reliable but surely you believe the Quran is reliable so how can you ignore the verse?
Barakallahu feek dear brother, very well explained. May Allah bless and reward you greatly.
All the things you explain indeed make Muhammad OK, or even maybe progressive, FOR A 7TH CENTURY WARLORD. We cannot hold this type of behaviour as "perfect for all eternity" as he enshrined himself to be by divine law. He was a man of his time, a somewhat ethical (although he did say and apply "war is deceit") warmongering bedouin who started an amazingly influential empire. But don't be mad at non-muslims for not worshipping him as anything beyond this. We can respect and admire Alexander the great, Gengis Khan and the like (and most westerners do admire Salahuddin). If they had declared themselves bearers of the ultimate revelation from God, the ultimate example of human behaviour, we'd have the same problems that we have today with terrorism, jihad and internal fitna within the Umma.
You're still excusing Muhammad's acts as those of one who basically treated his slaves well. But if you agree that slavery in today's world is wrong and should be abolished, doesn't it mean that you should also beleive that Muhammad should have clearly and definitively abolished slavery when setting the definitive, perfect example of human behavior?
About "rape", in order to explain how this is a "crime" in Islam which carries "serious punishment", you quote Imam Malik's interpretation of the sharia ruling which is that if a man rapes a free woman he must pay a dowry (the "bride price") to the parents, and if if he rapes a slave girl he must pay "whatever has been detracted from her value". The sha'afi school says that raping another guy slave girl can be OK if he didn't know she belonged to someone else ("ignorance"!!), if he did it knowingly then he must pay a fine + have the penalty for zina (fornication) applied to him. In every case it is clear that what is punished is NOT the offense done to the girl herself (the woman's suffering for having sexual relations forced onto her is never even considered) but the offense done to the honor of her family, or to the property of her owners, or to Islamic law (illegal sexual intercourse or zina). Why must the fine be paid to the parents, or to the slave owner to compensate for the loss of his property value? Because there is not even such a thing as "rape" in Islamic law and culture. The willingness of the woman to engage or not in sexual acts with a man is in fact NEVER really considered in Islamic law. The woman's worth in only quantified relatively to her family's honor or her master's property value. In any case she's nothing but a passive object.This is why a wife MUST respond to her husband's "calls to the bed" and it is lawful to beat her if she refuses.
I'm an ex-future convert. I wanted to join Islam but found it completely impossible when learning more about Muhammad's life, deeds and message.
More details on rape in Maliki fiq :
The scattered presentation of the legal doctrine on rape reveals the hybrid character with which Maliki fuqaha conceived of this crime.The perpetration of a rape involves the crime of illegal sexual intercourse (zina ). To prove zina either four upright witnesses who have seen the act in its most intimate details, or the confession of the perpetrator, or pregnancy are required. Zina is punished with a statutory sanction (hadd) consisting of stoning to death when the culprit is a muhsan and one hundred slashes plus one year of banishment for the non-muhsan. Slaves, independently whether they have been married or not, receive half the punishment established for non-muhsans, i.e.fifty slashes.
If the crime cannot be proved with any of the aforementioned requirements and the claimant cannot present circumstantial evidence (discussed later), the accusation is considered tantamount to qadhf (calumny or false accusation of illegal sexual intercourse) the punishment of which consists of eighty slashes. Moreover, if the claimant of rape who does not succeed in substantiating her accusation becomes pregnant, she is subject to the punishment for zina, her claim being considered implicit confession to the crime.
Rape, as Malikis conceive of it, may thus bring about financial and penal liability for the accused and and penal liability for the claimant. These liabilities vary, depending on whether the perpetrator is a Muslim or a dhimmi, free or slave, muhsan or non-muhsan ,child or adult and of good or bad reputation.
As regards the victim, there is a distinction between the free and the slave, thechild and the adult, the one who is in her right mind and the onewho is deranged, the one who was awaken at the moment of theassault and the one who was asleep, and the victim of good and bad reputation.
According to Malik, when a pregnant woman claims that herpregnancy is the result of a rape, “the practice among us”, i.e.Medinans, (al-amrainda-na) is to punish her with the statutory sanction for zina, unless she has witnesses to the rape or she appeared bleeding if she was a virgin, or cried and asked for help from the people or something similar to that. However, if she can establish that she was forced, the rapist must pay her the proper bride price if she is free, virgin or non-virgin. If she is a slave, he must pay a compensation equivalent to the decrease that the rape has produced in her worth. In Yahyà b. Yahyà’s transmission of the Muwatta no mention is made to sources of Malik’s doctrine other than the practice of the people of Medina, Malik’s main endeavour being precisely to promote Medinan practice to the level of authoritative and binding source of law.
It is thus clear that what you muslims call the "law of god" as opposed to "man-made laws" is largely the product of a time and a place, and not so different than the laws practiced by the people of Medina before Muhammad received the revelation. Trying to apply these 7th century arab laws to the whole world in the 21th century because they are "from God" is absolute insanity.
What's the problem exactly? He leaves Islam, so what? Its his life
He's the one who started accusing us of things.
I read the comments of my brethren, educated in Islam, trying to educate others who DON'T WANT to be educated. I applaud you, your manners are proper even in the face of ignorance that distorts the truth to insult a man, Prophet (saws) who no one will ever surpass in greatness. Salaam!
To my 'fellow' Americans, I am a born citizen, have been exposed to all the propaganda and slander you have, only difference is I figured out it IS propaganda, converted, and from the inside looking out people like you make me think of one statement in Qur'an:
"Wo, that Day, to the deniers."