@@apsanpvarkey3841 because he was trying to reveal to the world about time travel and how there are these time travellers working on his property. They wanted everything to happen smoothly.
@@godot5643 got it, i remember it now. Why did he took his book "ariadne" and gave it to eva and what happend to agnes who was sent back from 2053 by adam?
I feel the most bad for Bartosz. He just wanted to go get some more weed with his best friend and: -his girlfriend cheated with his best friend -his mother got cancer and died - got tied up and left with no water or food in a caved by his friends -got thrown into the past with no way of getting out - got played by his best friend again -(i think) got played by Siljia (his face of distraught when he heard the names of his children) -got killed by his son he couldn't catch a break
I always wondered if Siljia genuinely loved him since she was (probably) already instructed by Adam beforehand to name her children Agnes and Hano. Was she just using him or did she actually love him?
One of the greatest and most consistent stories in the history of TV. This is why I think every show should write out the whole story for the whole show before they start filming the episode. Know the story before the end.
I mostly agree. But I wouldn't say "every show should be that way," because there are actually some counter-examples, e.g. "Breaking Bad" and "The Leftovers" (post-S1) were written as they went along, and they ended brilliantly IMO. Sometimes you just need a brilliant writing room to feel things out as they go. But, for the most part, series often just don't work out that way nor stick the landing. So it's definitely refreshing when something is planned out from start to finish in order to negate that risk. I think this is one reason (of many) for why Miniseries are generally better quality stories than standard series, and for why series based on completed books (e.g. "The Expanse") are safer bets. Also why "Mr. Robot" worked so well (the entire idea was conceived before Esmail started writing it). And it's also why I was originally so pumped for "The OA" based on how S2 ended, considering that Zal & Brit planned out all 5 seasons before even pitching the show, and I've never seen anything quite as mind-shattering as its S2 finale so I was really excited before it got canceled. Either way, if any creator tells me that they've got their entire show planned out, they usually get my attention. Because I know they're working with a complete idea, rather than just a seed that may go in any direction for better or worse.
They didn't though. There's an interview with the two creators before season 2 came out where they explain that they changed a bunch of stuff with the story. One really interesting thing they said was that the Mikkel/Michael reveal in season 1 was originally going to be the ending instead of the half way episode. Here's the link ruclips.net/video/ZXdrrGTmvuc/видео.html
@@veryincredibly they had a big picture set from the beginning though. I saw this interview and read several others. They've had a system for everything but didn't know when to introduce new information so this kind of decisions were made on the go, sometimes on the set. And while filming, after every deliberate change made on the set, they were making weekly rewrites of the whole timeline, though keeping in mind their eventual goal. I think it is smart way to have a flexibility while also sticking to your true self and don't give in your vision entirely. They've also made huge books with arks of each character and every time something was rewritten on the go, they had to go through the whole character's ark to look for inconsistencies and loopholes. Thus arks of characters were also rewritten and slightly changed throughout the show. Overall, a gigantic pile of work.
@@whateverrockyourboat1899 I get that but a lot of people think they wrote the entire show from start to finish and kept it the same throughout which just isn't true.
In quite a roundabout way, but, he sure did it, and that's all that matters in the end. I love the idea that his love was so strong to do what he did, and also that he'll never actually know what lengths he originally went to in order to save the ones he loved. The dude created two universes and time travel to save his family, and he'll never know, because it worked. How that story wrapped up is one of my favorite takeaways of the series. I don't even have the words to capture and expound on how significant and uplifting that idea is, but it just really resonates with me for some reason.
That shot of Jonas and Martha standing in the road is poetic. Jonas & Martha stood on the intersection of 3 roads, symbolic to the 3 worlds. Together, they exist in-between worlds, time, & space. Also if you notice the show is based on the number 3 theme. 3 seasons, 3 worlds, 3 ages and 3 time periods.
@MasterOnion North Also the symbolism of angels... when Jonas is killed by Martha, he's lying on the floor just between the family tree. It looks like wings... Sonja says that Marek saw some angels...
And even the power plant, which stood there in the background in the other two worlds was gone. It was never built since The Unknown hadn’t forced the paperwork for it being built.
And in the end of the First Season Intro this place (where Martha and Jonas prevent the Tannhaus accident) is shown already with three World's. On the Left the side Origin world an ob the right side the two mirrorred Worlds.
I think almost all of the characters in both worlds were projections of people and situations in the origin world. For example I think Jonas and Martha are projections of Sonja( anagram for Jonas) and MARek THAnnhaus's (Martha) love and their baby. Their love is so strong that even their projections travel across other times and dimensions to be together. Claudia was the real hero of the story. Brilliant!
@Boros Vita I dont understand the "took too long" opinion :S I never felt like an episode or the story in general was dragged out. 3 seasons were perfect, not at least also for the number 3 being an reoccuring pattern in the story itself.
@@SETHthegodofchaos The first time I ever heard this complaint was from juicelabs in the end of this video and now I guess some fanboys take their opinion. I think the problem for the guys from juicelabs was that they watched all three seasons in a row without rewatching. They missed a lot of details that way and couldnt appreciate some of the hints etc. Were as others who rewatched went "ohh now that scene makes sense" they were like "why did they include that scene?". Just my opinion.
Think of it like this: Episode 6 was Adam's plan He was looking for the origin so he could destroy it and both the worlds. He failed. Episode 7 was Eve's plan The cycle continues over and over again and the knot stays intact so all the those born due to time travel stay alive. Eve uses her team to enforce this. Episode 8 was Claudia's plan She figures it all out. First she fools both Adam and Martha and later she finally breaks the loop and gets them to prevent the accident so only the origin world exists, with Regina alive. I think the frustration we were made to feel over the loop repeating and repeating and repeating was intentional so we would better understand their motivations. Fun reaction btw!
I agree about the frustration over the loop. Everyone had such a miserable life, that in the end we were ready to have both worlds come to an end an put everyone out of their misery.
Probably Alexandre died in the wood, he was shot when he went to Winden and met Regina, but because Ulrich never existed, they never bullied Regina and she wasn't there to save Alexander
@@abidin936 Helene Albers had no connection whatsoever with the other Winden families who came to exist because of Jonas and Martha, so Katharina was born with no problem. About the name I'm not sure.
Helge told us from episode 1 who the reason was: Tick Tock 😉 I thought the ending was just perfect. Thank you all for the most fun I had watching reaction videos #ultimatefistbump 😁🧡
People who have finished the series, check out season one's intro There's no Nuclear power plant there They were showing the origin world from the beginning
the whole purpose with aleksander appearing and taking inspectors brother's name was so that inspector comes to winden (he got that letter telling him to go there) which led to him searching the nuclear plant and opening those barrels with the dark matter which was one of the triggers for the apocalypse :)
@mel j i mean i realized it on 3rd rewatch but yeah lmfao. Also, on a side note, i thought it was really interesting how some things like opening those barrels happened very quickly in mirrored world unlike in first one. Clausen did a whole ass investigation and needed search warrant and all of that, while in mirrored world Aleksander was just like "hey Charlotte, let me show you whats in these barrels" lmao
@@KrojacicaSudbine Yeah. but Eva didn't have a Claudia working against her, so every move she make was mainly straight forward. And for Aleksander; he's grieving; business secret don't matter much for him at this point. (mainly, he surely didnt, want to appear as a bad guy to Regina)
I think the fact that most of the series was the reoccurring loop is what makes it brilliant, in my opinion. I loved the fact that the characters felt that they had free will, but were really only doomed by their own predetermined fate. I absolutely loved the ending, nevertheless, because it was so grounded.
Olso you said that there is no attachment and no fear for the characters. I think it's intentional. You care in the 1st season. In 2nd season you start to see potential infinite loop. In the 3rd season you just don't care at all. It's EXACTLY like protagonist of this show. You are changing through the series like Jonas changed to Adam.
@@hitlerkiller well, they think that the whole story building up around Jonas and Martha was so complex. I think they would have liked a big battle with lightsabers and spaceships. 😂
God that song when Jonas and Martha disintegrated really hit me. The entire episode i was like "you better not make me cry" lmao and they really had to do it smh
I just realized that "Sic Mundus Creatus Est" ("thus the world was created") was the motto of the ancestor of a man who literally created worlds. Mind blown... again.
The craziest thing about the show is that everything make sense. I was very afraid that it will be a nonsense unawnserd ending but it was awesomr. This is one of the best written shows of all time. And in my top 5 shows of all time. Just my opinion
1. Power plant doesn't exist in the origin world. The shot with Jonas and Martha dissolving into the air shows the same shot of a crossroad in the other worlds and there is always a power plant. Thus Regina doesn't get cancer. BTW!!! If you look intently at the first season intro opening, title DARK is written upon this same shot without power plant. The opening is also operating with three images - two are mirrored and the third is always separate. 2. Boys getting killed not exclusively because of time machine but also because of need the same loop running over and over - Mads' disappearance triggers Ulrich's career path and his decision to kill Helge, Jasin was taken down because he was Elisabeth's possible love interest messing it up for Noah. Erik - to trigger the gang to go to the caves and Mikkel to disappear.
this is beautiful! I never even noticed the last shot of Jonás and Martha didn’t show the power plants, I even have the season one intro ending as my phone background and never even noticed
I have the opposite opinion, once I figured that everything was "fate" I became interested to see how everything came to be, and also the tension of if the show would end in a loop, total destruction or a happy ending with a new world. The loop did not exhaust me, it interested me in how everything got there and I believe they could have done more episodes if they wanted to showing more of certain characters. But, I loved the ending as well and how it was done.
I'm kinda surprised about your constant annoyance of certain points, the ending was great sure but I'm literally in love with the entirety of how we got there. You guys keep mentioning that it needed to be compressed into 2 seasons and I really don't know where you would be able to do some cuts. If you go back even seemingly insignificant parts are just a love-letter to detail. They planned this whole thing out from the start and said 3 seasons, no more no less, saying that they've milked it is kinda unfair I think. This show became popular as hell, if they really would've wanted to milk it Netflix would've embraced them with open arms, that much is sure. All in all your reactions were hilarious though, I really enjoyed them. The sarcasm and dark humor was really on point all the time, I had a good laugh. I found you through Dark and even though I give the show a little more credit than you guys I will sure stick around. Looking forward to more cool shit
@@NinaPB Ya. Like people say that DARK is so confusing and complicated. Imagine 3 seasons worth of information that we got being dumped one upon the other in just....2 seasons. While the story would still remain good, the execution wouldn't as there would barely be enough time left for emotions of all the characters, which was also a major highlights of the show, which people often forget in the shadow of its great storytelling
How the fuck can some say this series was milked? If anything it needs at least one more season imo. But I still think they wrapped it up beautifully in just 3 seasons. I didn’t feel like there a damn unnecessary scene in its entire run
The 1st time I watched it I didn't realize right away : 1) the aspect ratio changing to show u that u were in the origin world And 2) that the nuclear power plant wasn't there
Noah Took Jasin (The child in the first season because he kind of dated elisabeth ( she told her mother in the first season that they are together) so he eliminated his love rival .
Alexander and Regina didn't meet in the original world because Ulrich didn't exist. It means Katharina won't bother Regina in the woods where they met Boris. (Katharina thought Regina was the one who reported that she was raped by Ulrich)
You did some of the best Dark reactions on all of RUclips. Funny as hell, with lots of sarcasm, but also many legitimately good points few other reactors have ever thought about. Will definitely keep my eyes peeled for your reactions to shows i watch. Dark has so many clues and references, right from S1E1, that the more you watch, the more they make sense in hindsight. I've recently been watching other reactions to the earliest episodes, and noticed that for example some of the dialogue is repeated in S3 by someone else, suddenly giving it a whole new meaning. And all the items that appear in different times, all the scenes that are repeated in a different way, the sets that are mirrored, and so on... the complexity of this undertaking has me in awe. For me it's a terrific show, certainly the best series dealing with time travel.
Did anyone notice when they were swimming in the lake ( young magnous) told them a story about a woman who died in the same lake a few years ago .. the story was about his mother death 🙂💔 what an amazing writers
Great show, i hope "Dark" is not a miraculous "one hit wonder" from Baran bo Odar and Jantje Friese and that they'll be able to produce more quality series like this one.
Even though I am not a Horror-fan, I will watch their new show 1899 when it comes (Apparently it is a Horror-story set in 1899 on a Steam.ship taking European immigrants to the new world).
They already did two amazing movies here in Germany. One of them "Who Am I" is a hacker thriller. Some say it was basically the inspiration for Mr.Robot.
i felt that for a while you kinda misunderstood the series, expecting things to change even before we knew the full extent of the knot. i think the people who really enjoyed the series were interested in watching the pieces fall into place, and how everything connected in the end. the weakest spot for me was the dialogue for sure, there were many scenes when the older character couldnt say anything but the younger were asking fair questions, which resulted, well, in saying "you will understand some day" "the end is the beginning" "your world and mine" like 1000 times. but the plot i think was a masterclass and in the end i found things to root for in all the characters. anyways i loved the reactions! and look forward to whatever show you do next :) maybe a funny one, i think you guys are so funny already it would be fantastic
It's funny how they all had the same opinion the entire way through the show. All of them were complaining and seemingly weren't enjoying it. I feel like if they watched it individually they'd have enjoyed it more because they wouldn't be able to project each others thoughts on one another. I've seen a lot of channels covering Dark and this is the only channel I've seen where the content creators have been like this, all the others have said Dark is one of if not the greatest show they've seen. Like I don't expect everyone to think the show is amazing but when the dude said he was gonna give it a rating of 4 that's just crazy talk lmao.
Yes, Martha and Jonas seeing each other when they were kids always happened. That's what got their entanglement started in the first place. Claudia always split her realities. The one in which she sends Adam and Jonas on the path to the original world. And the one in which she heads back to 1953 to tell her father that she's sorry and gets shot by Noah. But this time we the viewers witnessed Jonas and Martha stop the car accident happening let to the manifestation of the linear timeline in the original world again. Before us watching the show two realities existed in the original world the one in which Tannhaus loses his family and builds his machine which creates the two worlds of Adam and Eva. And the one in which he never builds the time machine b/c his family doesn't die in a car accident. Like Schrödinger's cat who was alive and dead at the same time as long as no one witnessed the cat dying. In the end, Claudia was the most valuable player on the chessboard and a father who built a time machine to save his family and failed gets to live on with his family without knowing that he's tried to save them and succeeded.
If Claudia always splits her reality, how did Eve know that Adam was gonna be there to kill her? She seems surprised to see that she isn't actually killed by Adam at that moment. I mean that's what "normally" happens right? I think Adam's realization of the origin world is the first time it happens, not always happens because Claudia doesn't always split her reality. Could be wrong tho.
Because when Claudia shows up at Adams future headquarter she splits his reality as well. In one reality he still shoots Eva and in the other we follow him to reconcile with Eva. And because we are witnessing this moment between Adam and Eva this reality finally manifests itself.
@@minikiniklub But there's the question that if jonas and martha stop Tanhaus' family accident which leads old Tanhaus into creating the time machine and thus splitting the origin world into Adam and Eva's world, then, well, Adam and Eva's world never exist and so jonas and martha never exist. But if they never exist then how do they get back to the origin world to stop the accident from happening in the first place? Seemed like the grandfather paradox to me idk, also at the end when hanna says that 'jonas' seems like a good name to call my kid and looks at the yellow raincoat that seemed like a foreshadowing to me . It's like Claudia said that it might not happen at the same time and it might not happen in the same way, but it must happen. Also, at the beginning of the last ep i guess she tells adam that every decision he makes is just another step in the tangle, so him deciding to heed her advice and send jonas and martha to the origin world to stop all this from happening might just be that, another step in the tangle.
@@BusyBee01 Tannhaus destroys his world and creates the two worlds of Adam and Eva in 1986 because he lost his son in 1971. Since then the two worlds looped infinitely with Claudia always splitting herself to send Adam on his path to Jonas and Jonas and Martha back to the origin world. Jonas and Martha travel back to 1971 in the origin world to save Tannhaus' family and the linear timeline is established in which Tannhaus never invents his machine, and never destroys his world and creates the two world of Adam and Eva with their infinite loop. And if time isn't looping anymore but moving linear again from 1971 on Tannhaus' family doesn't have to be saved again.
Something I think a lot of people miss is that Jonas and Martha are their own great great grandparents. Jonas is also Martha's great great grandfather and Martha is Jonas' great great great grandmother. (I may have missed a few greats there). Jonas and Martha's son is Ulrich's grandfather, that's why old Martha needs him to survive and Jonas wants to kill him. Never seen so much incest in a tv show.
I guess this is another reason why I preferred Eve's world Martha, besides the fact that she is more interesting and I only really cared for Adam's world Martha because Jonas cared for her. At least EMartha is not his aunt. :D GoT screwed with my morals on this topic anyway though. To the point where I was like "Screw it (only talking about fiction though), cousin-cousin, is a allowed in many countries. What does 12,5 or 25% degree of kinship matter?" Then I realised 25% is the same as one has with their grandparents. So, weird again. Anyway I like EMartha and AJonas :D
33 years ago? Whatever bro! I first heard the story in 1921 around a campfire. That was a wild ride! Sorry for the late response though. My apple has a chip in it.
Dark's convincing and bittersweet ending would surely remind us of the frustration we have about GOT S8 writing. If only D&D used 20% of the brains of Dark writers for the S8. If only we had the good 20 episodes for S7 and S8, then they dint had to rush the story like idiots. They tried to not incur too much cost & not increase the budget required and that cost them the reputation and also losing the revenue, as half of the fans would not rewatch it! Aaaarrrghhh! Anyway Dark was a great ride and I totally get how frustrating the elaborated & repeated this loop was but amen was structuring it so well. You guys need to watch Steins Gate anime where all kinds of time traveling is dealt very convincingly! JuiceLabs! 👊🏼
>"They tried to not incur too much cost & not increase the budget required" If I recall correctly, it wasn't that D&D were trying to be frugal or whatever, but rather that they just mentally checked out and wanted out. HBO actually offered them full seasons, and even suggested they go past 8 seasons. But D&D are the ones who turned HBO down and opted for two short seasons ending at S8. If that's an accurate assessment, then they had the budget to not rush the conclusion. They just said essentially "nah we're just gonna check out, sorry." Which would make sense if you consider that they were lined up to write for Star Wars and just wanted to jump ship. Which makes it sweeter knowing that Disney dropped them. I'm not 100% on all of that, so if someone knows more details then feel free to correct me.
Great journey with you guys. It legit feels like I'm hanging with friends when watching your reactions. Definitely here for the long haul with you four
This show is great. If you look back, you will see how vital Claudia's role really is. Even makes you want to rewatch the entire show to see how things are connected and look for the clues again. I think many, including myself, didn't quite get the fact that Adam was, in fact, clueless regarding certain truths, because of the fact that the Adam who many saw as the villain, is the version of Jonas who saved himself when he hid in the basement during the apocalypse and our original season 1 Jonas was the one whom Eve killed in the alternate world. That would explain why Adam would not be in possession of information vital to him figuring everything out, then he travels back in time and becomes the Adam that wants to destroy the loop by destroying both worlds, which he knew existed because of Alt world Martha telling him that in 1888. It all makes way more sense now :) And Claudia must have endlessly trvalled the loop,each time figuring a crumb of info which she then taught herswlf over and over again...even though she mentioned 33 years as her time od figuring it all out.
Really important to realize when you are talking about how gullible Jonas is, keep in mind the multiple timelines. When Adam saves him after shooting Martha, yes he had traveled through the tunnel but he had never been to the future, never met alt martha or eva, future claudia, etc. That Jonas watches Martha get killed by Adam, Adam comes right back and takes him to save alt Martha, they go to the origin world, stop the apocalypse, and they both die. The 1800s, future, and everything else was all experienced by the other Jonas, so he isn't as gullible as you first think.
Such a great show, was worried you guys were gonna hate the show at the end but glad the ending gave you a sense of satisfaction with the creators wrapping everything in this finale. Looking forward to what you boyz do next :).
I love this season, I love this show... and I really loved your reactions, even though we disagree on some things ☺️ But I have to say something about Claudia: she was just as selfish as Eva. The only reason she helped break the loop was because she knew she, her parents and, most importantly, Regina, all existed and were ok in the origin world. At the end of the day Claudia had zero losses (except for her grandson but she didn't seem to care that much about him anyways). That's why I'm still team Adam; he was the only one willing to sacrifice everything and everyone to free them all from that hell. About Aleksander: in the OG world his life went the same way we saw, up until the point he should meet Regina: since Ulrich didn't exist, Regina wasn't being bullied in the woods, Aleksander never saved her, she never took care of his wound, they never fell in love. Either he ran someplace else or he may even have died from the gunshot, there is no way to know :(
The writers could've condensed down this story a lot because originally it was an idea for a movie but I think it was a good move to turn it into the best TV show ever.
I’m glad it wasn’t a movie, the story is too complicated to be done in a couple hours I think that’s why lots of people didn’t like TENET it story was as just as complicated
Good reaction guys! When I was watching the last episode, I was getting so anxious and mad thinking that Jonas and Martha are going to cause the accident and the loop repeats itself. But, fortunately they didn't disappoint us. They went for a simple and emotional ending which was great!
Thank you. Dark is one of the best series ever and gives me, as a German, a sense of pride that I only know from soccer games. Best Hansel and Gretel adaptation ever 👍
I LOVED YOUR REACTION! It's bittersweet but happy ending in some way. ...Though I had to go through existential crisis myself once everyone we cared about ceased to exist.
I think it comes to being able to fully connect with this very particular storytelling for what it is and what it brought, which I understand isn't for everyone. Some of my close friends gave up on the show. But I was never apprehensive or frustrated with the possibility of a "The beginning is the end..." ending because, for a while, I actually thought that was how it was going to end anyway. Had this been written by lesser creators, it would've annoyed me very quickly, I imagine, but everything being so well thought out made it rewarding to see the connections of pieces we had seen previously. I was just interested and involved, and some of my favourite moments were the flashbacks showing how things connected.
Its been so good watching it again with u guys cuz u missed these little details on the show. Thanks for the reaction cuz i recommend everyone to watch this mind blowing serie.
In the final scene in the picture with Claudia it's Mr. Doppler, Helge's dad being the real father of Regina. I think in the origin world she's Regina Doppler, I 'm not sure if the power plant actually exists because it was the cleft lip crew that were making sure the plant was built so if he doesn't exist I guess the permit wasn't approved and she's living in the little house that was Jonas', so she's not very wealthy. I enjoyed the ending but I was disappointed we didn't know more of Boris/Aleksander, I was almost sure old Claudia sent him from the future to take care of Regina because she knew she was going to disappear and Egon was going to die but in the end he was just a thief that came to Winden and met Regina by luck, he must exist in other town and never came to Winden, others say that maybe he died if in the origin world he did commit a crime but he never met Regina in the woods and nobody helped him. He was one of my favorite characters because he was very mysterious and him and Regina were the only normal couple that truly loved each other in both worlds. But I was happy that Peter and Benni could live gay and proud in the origin. I always loved Claudia, that means that in s2 I think in "Ghosts" she had everything figured out when she apologized to Egon and was very confident telling Noah she didn't lose the game even if he shot her. In the end she was, look Adam and Eve, you shouldn't exist, let us live in peace in the origin so fuck off lol
The writers always wanted it to be a trilogy. So i think the second season wasnt unnecessary, it kinda helps you to understand the characters better. I think 3 season with 8ep each was perfect
if u knew much more about time... u would be loving about the concept used in the season 1 and 2.... maybe u are the kind of people who just care about good endings... there r a lot of things to appreciate about this show.... but u aren't that observant....
You really should rewatch the series. There are a lot of things you may have missed and I think you'll appreciate the series more because of how they placed clues and hints throughout the entire series.
15:09 Actually they basically started to disappear the moment marek and Sonja went back to the H.G.Tannhaus Home. The memory of them was the first thing that disappeared - When the Marek and Sonja went back to the H.G.Tannhaus, Sonja said that "marek was saved by a pair of angels" and Marek said that "it was just a feeling". Also - Marek and Sonja are basically origin world Martha and Jonas - Marek is origin world version of martha (*MAR*ek Tann*HA*us) and Sonja is origin world version of Jonas (Sonja is an anagram of Jonas)
All moments of affirmation of the loop were huge fan favourites. If you were not into the loop than you can't enjoy the show up until the last episode which is a pitty. Exposition of the loop and suffering of the people within it was big part of the beauty of this show. Liked your discussions though because you folks caught most details and had some true Science insights. Just wish you paid more attention to fate of characters, the visuals, background score etc. Eye rolling at the loop prevented you from appreciating the show :)
No, her name is still Katharina. Since the origin world existed first, Katharina always had that name and the loop worlds just gave us a reason for the name to exist.
Claudia wasn’t from the origin world. The origin world didn’t exist after the creation of Eva’s and Adams worlds. If Claudia was from the origin world then there would be no reason for her to end the loop since Regina would also exist in the origin world and wouldn’t be constantly dying of cancer. So there wasn’t an origin world at the time both other worlds existed. Claudia from Adams world is just a badass that figured out the secret.
Claudia was the smartest character of the whole show and that is shown multiple times: young Claudia giving private lessons to Helge, taking control of the power station as a woman and immediately noticing that there's something wrong in the figures, immediately realising that they found the god particle by accident etc. So when they were showing the fight between Adam and Eva, they tried to make people forget about her but I knew that there always was a third party making her own thing and I was pretty sure that Claudia would outsmart them in the end. And Claudia was the only one of them three who existed in the original world. Concerning Charlotte: remember the watch that Noah gave Elisabeth in one of the very first episodes? That watch was really old and belonged to Tannhaus' greatgrandfather who lost his beloved wife and found Sic Mundus. He was the first who wanted to build a time machine. So the pieces of the solution were already there very early in the show. We just didn't realise that they are important. And about Aleksander: Since Ulrich never existed, Hannah never accused him of raping Katharina and never blamed Regina. Therefore, Katharina and Ulrich never bullied Regina and Aleksander never forced them at gunpoint to stop it. Regina and Aleksander never fell in love and Bartosz was never born. And Katharina, Regina and Hannah are best friends now as there has never been Ulrich as a reason for tension. And since Martha's son never existed, the building permit for the power plant was never issued, neither Bernd Doppler, Helge's stepfather, nor Claudia became CEO of the plant and Tronte never existed, so it wasn't Tronte who had an affair with Claudia, but Bernd. His grandson Peter never met Charlotte and came together with Benny while Benny's brother married Hannah and is expecting a baby child. Starting with the affair between Egon and Hannah, eliminate all descendants of this relationship consequently from the family tree and as a result, only those people remain that really existed in the original world. Silja was never born, therefore Noah and Agnes as well. Charlotte, Franziska and Elisabeth as descendants from Noah did not exist. Tronte, Mads, Ulrich, Magnus, Martha, Mikkel, Jonas and the Unknown as descendants from Agnes did not exist. And as the Unknown didn't exist, Tronte doubly didn't exist...
There could've been Infinite worlds! If baby Charlotte hadn't been brought to Tannhaus, the split world Tannhaus wouldn't have had a baby to care for and he might've just welded his crazy machine there as well, creating more worlds. Rinse and repeat until infinity. 😄
Ive watched so many reaction videos to this show and you guys are the closest I’ve gotten to what I reacted to. Just complete confusion but love for the show. Great reactions
I’ve been thinking about this “creation of two worlds” part (how they split) and I realised something. The only difference in alt-world(Martha’s world) is that Mikkel never travelled through the tunnel so Jonas doesn’t exist. Then I thought about the fact-what started everything in Jonas’ world. And it was this - Mikkel travelling theough the tunnel and consequently people trying to find him, travelling as well … and Jonas sending himself a letter that his father left and the map and telling himself about time travel. And then I remembered what Mikkel said. Jonas BROUGHT him through the tunnel. Which means Jonas is the one who started everything in his world by his free will to do this. (He caused the existence of himself so basically he created himself knowingly). And then followed by Martha also telling herself about time travel (her older self sent Jonas to get her from her world). And she already had that apple travelling machine. She provoked Jonas with the apple to follow her and tricked him into having a baby (see the parallel with the Biblical story) and then tried to keep the baby alive. Causing all this events to happen and the world to be created and keep existing. So older versions of Jonas and Martha were actually responsible for creation of the worlds (I mean as a consequence of Tannhouse opening the portal - he made it possible - so we can look at him as this sort of like God figure) and older versions of Jonas and Martha = Adam and Eve. So Adam and Eve were responsible for the creation of the worlds (by influencing their younger selves and ensuring their own existance) but God made it possible. There’s also the apple and baby and all that. I think Eve’s storyline is particularly interesting because we don’t get to know, how all the time travelling developed in her world and how everyone was created (like Ulrich, Agnes …). And in the end everything is stopped by the younger selves of Adam and Eve. And Claudia plays the role of “knowledge” or “consciousness” impersonalised. We could also say that she gives then the knowledge about their free will in the situation. She gave Adam and Eve knowledge about where their actions would lead them so their young selves would stop it. I just thought about how we can compare her to Jesus (if we are doing a comparison to the Bible). The young versions would stop it and clear the world of “sin”. And she also sacrifices herself in the process but survives. That’s my comparison to the Biblical version. I’m not Christian but I thought that might be interesting. Oh and another little part. As I said before if we compare Tanhaus to God (because he created the tunnel and subsequently enabled the worlds to create themselves) - on the tunnel it says “Let there be light” which is how in the Bible God creates the world.
Fascinating how different opinions can be all around: I myself had a 9/10 for the first season 10/10 for the second and about 7/10 for the third, mainly because I thought the third was way too fast paced and "jumppy" and some storylines were wrapped together too fast for me - and Alexander's and Peter's were left too in the open as I wanted to know more about them. You on the other hand seemed to like the faster pace and could even have skipped the second season, which for me was the best season of television I've ever seen. But I'm glad that you're honest and not forcing anything to please the viewers. Thanks a lot for great all the great reactions throughout this series. I laughed a lot watching you.
We’ve been podcasting this since season one and my co-host (my husband) was like, “Why is no one considering Tanhauss as the cause?!” Then in episode 7 we saw him doing something we hadn’t seen him do before: build a machine in the bunker. He felt so vindicated. I figured there was a 3rd world simply because of three interlocking symbols, but didn’t a theory on HOW it existed.
they didnt disappear right away coz Jonas & Martha stopped them before. so they had the time -from this road junction till bridge for things to alter. after that period got over they disappeared. correct me if im wrong.
There really are two endings: within the story there is an effect of Shrodingers timeline. The ending is both "and it looped infinitely" and also "and the knot was severed." Both endings have always coexisted side by side within a single timeline. Either both endings exist, or neither exist, but it isn't until it is observed that it can be definitive.
The three seasons are absolutely necessary and must not be shortened! You complain about that you have seen that already? Yes, you do, because it has already happened infinite times. The creators refrained from showing how things happened in Eva's world and just let Adam say that the same happens. Another time and another way maybe, but the results are the same. So this was already taken from you. Each season has its purpose. Season 1 shows you what happens and leaves you with a lot of questions. Season 2 adds new aspects and shows why things happen, who is pulling the strings. E.g. Bartosz and Noah digging the passage appears here for the first time. And Season 3 finally solves why things have to happen and why the players are doing what they do, explaining their motivations. All that is part of the whole complex building of the show.
One of my all-time favorites, right up there with Dark at the ceiling of top-tier quality series. Though a bit curious how JuiceLabs would react. Considering they got frustrated by the loop in Dark and how the holes gradually got closed up over the course of the series (whereas this was part of the point of the show and something that many people, including myself, highly enjoyed), I wonder if they'd get frustrated by the lack of "answers" in The Leftovers (whereas the point of the show isn't about the mystery, but the results of it). After all, The Leftovers has extremely divisive reception due to how many people got frustrated over that element, so I think this recommendation is more hit-or-miss. Either way I'd still say it's worth a shot and thus worth recommending. Worst case, they dislike it. Best case, they see one of the best shows they've ever watched. That's a risk where you don't have much to lose, but a whole lot to gain.
Corey was right about the time babies. The people at the end, along with the clockmaker, are from the origin world. Claudia was the only original character to die to save her daughter, preserving the actual people from endless repetition.
There is no nuclear power plants in the original world (as seen in last scenes) because Cleft Lip never existed... So Bernd Doppler never got the permission to build power plant
also, u said more than once that the series needed some kind of comic relief, but when u get that both words were created from tannhaus' pain, and loss, u get the ambiance of the show itself, being so detached of color, and dark, pun intended.
I think the apple is just the other worlds version of the time machine. One world got the time machine, the other got the apple. thats the whole explainatory origin of it.
my reaction to this ending was pretty much the same👍🏼🤚🏼 i loved the series, the story and how everything just made sense through the episodes (yeah what a nerd) ..and I was so proud that european series did so well on netflix
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Don't forget that Claudia was a Nuclear Physicist and Adam and Eve were just high school drop outs.
Govind do you know why did the jonas and Martha's time baby gang went to the past and killed the watchmakers grandpa or something ( tannhuas senior)?
@@apsanpvarkey3841 because he was trying to reveal to the world about time travel and how there are these time travellers working on his property.
They wanted everything to happen smoothly.
@@godot5643 got it, i remember it now. Why did he took his book "ariadne" and gave it to eva and what happend to agnes who was sent back from 2053 by adam?
@@apsanpvarkey3841 agnes meets the unnamed guy and gives birth to tronte... Probably.
@@JoyBoy-pg2wo you're right.
I feel the most bad for Bartosz. He just wanted to go get some more weed with his best friend and:
-his girlfriend cheated with his best friend
-his mother got cancer and died
- got tied up and left with no water or food in a caved by his friends
-got thrown into the past with no way of getting out
- got played by his best friend again
-(i think) got played by Siljia (his face of distraught when he heard the names of his children)
-got killed by his son
he couldn't catch a break
A good education to stray kids away from weeds...
@@weishumo1860lol
His life story is the ultimate PA against taking weed lmao.
I always wondered if Siljia genuinely loved him since she was (probably) already instructed by Adam beforehand to name her children Agnes and Hano. Was she just using him or did she actually love him?
I will leave the likes at 33
One of the greatest and most consistent stories in the history of TV. This is why I think every show should write out the whole story for the whole show before they start filming the episode. Know the story before the end.
I mostly agree. But I wouldn't say "every show should be that way," because there are actually some counter-examples, e.g. "Breaking Bad" and "The Leftovers" (post-S1) were written as they went along, and they ended brilliantly IMO. Sometimes you just need a brilliant writing room to feel things out as they go. But, for the most part, series often just don't work out that way nor stick the landing. So it's definitely refreshing when something is planned out from start to finish in order to negate that risk.
I think this is one reason (of many) for why Miniseries are generally better quality stories than standard series, and for why series based on completed books (e.g. "The Expanse") are safer bets. Also why "Mr. Robot" worked so well (the entire idea was conceived before Esmail started writing it). And it's also why I was originally so pumped for "The OA" based on how S2 ended, considering that Zal & Brit planned out all 5 seasons before even pitching the show, and I've never seen anything quite as mind-shattering as its S2 finale so I was really excited before it got canceled.
Either way, if any creator tells me that they've got their entire show planned out, they usually get my attention. Because I know they're working with a complete idea, rather than just a seed that may go in any direction for better or worse.
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They didn't though. There's an interview with the two creators before season 2 came out where they explain that they changed a bunch of stuff with the story. One really interesting thing they said was that the Mikkel/Michael reveal in season 1 was originally going to be the ending instead of the half way episode. Here's the link ruclips.net/video/ZXdrrGTmvuc/видео.html
@@veryincredibly they had a big picture set from the beginning though. I saw this interview and read several others. They've had a system for everything but didn't know when to introduce new information so this kind of decisions were made on the go, sometimes on the set. And while filming, after every deliberate change made on the set, they were making weekly rewrites of the whole timeline, though keeping in mind their eventual goal. I think it is smart way to have a flexibility while also sticking to your true self and don't give in your vision entirely. They've also made huge books with arks of each character and every time something was rewritten on the go, they had to go through the whole character's ark to look for inconsistencies and loopholes. Thus arks of characters were also rewritten and slightly changed throughout the show. Overall, a gigantic pile of work.
@@whateverrockyourboat1899 I get that but a lot of people think they wrote the entire show from start to finish and kept it the same throughout which just isn't true.
Director and Writer of "Dark" are husband and wife.
I don't know if they're married, but yes they're a couple (a power-couple at that) and they have a daughter together.
@@Mike500 their daughter is also their mother .
@@JohnB4K xD
@@JohnB4K 😂😂😂
@@JohnB4K The mother's daughter is the mother
Tannhaus' machine worked, he managed to prevent the death of the family!
I loved that
In quite a roundabout way, but, he sure did it, and that's all that matters in the end. I love the idea that his love was so strong to do what he did, and also that he'll never actually know what lengths he originally went to in order to save the ones he loved. The dude created two universes and time travel to save his family, and he'll never know, because it worked.
How that story wrapped up is one of my favorite takeaways of the series. I don't even have the words to capture and expound on how significant and uplifting that idea is, but it just really resonates with me for some reason.
damn. ..you're right...but he also managed to cause endless pain to so many people
He achieved his goal without even knowing he did
This is such a crazy loop in itself, he never did invent time travel but he did and therefore he didnt and therefore is family is saved. Fuck my brain
That shot of Jonas and Martha standing in the road is poetic. Jonas & Martha stood on the intersection of 3 roads, symbolic to the 3 worlds. Together, they exist in-between worlds, time, & space. Also if you notice the show is based on the number 3 theme. 3 seasons, 3 worlds, 3 ages and 3 time periods.
@MasterOnion North Also the symbolism of angels... when Jonas is killed by Martha, he's lying on the floor just between the family tree. It looks like wings... Sonja says that Marek saw some angels...
And even the power plant, which stood there in the background in the other two worlds was gone. It was never built since The Unknown hadn’t forced the paperwork for it being built.
And in the end of the First Season Intro this place (where Martha and Jonas prevent the Tannhaus accident) is shown already with three World's. On the Left the side Origin world an ob the right side the two mirrorred Worlds.
imagine if it had 33 episodes lol
@MasterOnion North I found out the snake tattoo on Magnus chest is also on the time- traveling door in the cave.
I think almost all of the characters in both worlds were projections of people and situations in the origin world. For example I think Jonas and Martha are projections of Sonja( anagram for Jonas) and MARek THAnnhaus's (Martha) love and their baby. Their love is so strong that even their projections travel across other times and dimensions to be together.
Claudia was the real hero of the story. Brilliant!
Actually it's Tannhaus but that's fine.
@@hazri8758 yeah I forgot, but that's the anagram.
Yeah, it's a nice theory and I think the same. 😊
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It's MARek TannHAus.
But yes, you can see that Marek looks like a male version of Martha and vice versa for Sonja.
A great ending always elevates a show in retrospect. Just like a bad ending does the opposite.. aka GoT.
I sometimes forget GoT was a big thing :'D
@Boros Vita I dont understand the "took too long" opinion :S
I never felt like an episode or the story in general was dragged out. 3 seasons were perfect, not at least also for the number 3 being an reoccuring pattern in the story itself.
@@SETHthegodofchaos The first time I ever heard this complaint was from juicelabs in the end of this video and now I guess some fanboys take their opinion. I think the problem for the guys from juicelabs was that they watched all three seasons in a row without rewatching. They missed a lot of details that way and couldnt appreciate some of the hints etc. Were as others who rewatched went "ohh now that scene makes sense" they were like "why did they include that scene?". Just my opinion.
@@huswsimonbla Yeah, I can get behind that
@Boros Vita everything was good until season 8. They should've made GOT till s9 and showed daenerys turning real evil.
Think of it like this:
Episode 6 was Adam's plan
He was looking for the origin so he could destroy it and both the worlds. He failed.
Episode 7 was Eve's plan
The cycle continues over and over again and the knot stays intact so all the those born due to time travel stay alive. Eve uses her team to enforce this.
Episode 8 was Claudia's plan
She figures it all out. First she fools both Adam and Martha and later she finally breaks the loop and gets them to prevent the accident so only the origin world exists, with Regina alive.
I think the frustration we were made to feel over the loop repeating and repeating and repeating was intentional so we would better understand their motivations.
Fun reaction btw!
I agree about the frustration over the loop. Everyone had such a miserable life, that in the end we were ready to have both worlds come to an end an put everyone out of their misery.
Probably Alexandre died in the wood, he was shot when he went to Winden and met Regina, but because Ulrich never existed, they never bullied Regina and she wasn't there to save Alexander
Wow I always thought about what happened to him. Wow again
Why katrina still exist and why her name's stil katrina
@@abidin936 Helene Albers had no connection whatsoever with the other Winden families who came to exist because of Jonas and Martha, so Katharina was born with no problem. About the name I'm not sure.
Helge told us from episode 1 who the reason was: Tick Tock 😉 I thought the ending was just perfect. Thank you all for the most fun I had watching reaction videos #ultimatefistbump 😁🧡
People who have finished the series, check out season one's intro
There's no Nuclear power plant there
They were showing the origin world from the beginning
The beginning is the end, and the end is the beginning.
the whole purpose with aleksander appearing and taking inspectors brother's name was so that inspector comes to winden (he got that letter telling him to go there) which led to him searching the nuclear plant and opening those barrels with the dark matter which was one of the triggers for the apocalypse :)
@mel j i mean i realized it on 3rd rewatch but yeah lmfao. Also, on a side note, i thought it was really interesting how some things like opening those barrels happened very quickly in mirrored world unlike in first one. Clausen did a whole ass investigation and needed search warrant and all of that, while in mirrored world Aleksander was just like "hey Charlotte, let me show you whats in these barrels" lmao
@@KrojacicaSudbine Yeah. but Eva didn't have a Claudia working against her, so every move she make was mainly straight forward. And for Aleksander; he's grieving; business secret don't matter much for him at this point. (mainly, he surely didnt, want to appear as a bad guy to Regina)
I think the fact that most of the series was the reoccurring loop is what makes it brilliant, in my opinion. I loved the fact that the characters felt that they had free will, but were really only doomed by their own predetermined fate. I absolutely loved the ending, nevertheless, because it was so grounded.
Olso you said that there is no attachment and no fear for the characters. I think it's intentional. You care in the 1st season. In 2nd season you start to see potential infinite loop. In the 3rd season you just don't care at all. It's EXACTLY like protagonist of this show. You are changing through the series like Jonas changed to Adam.
great point
I totally agree. That's exactly how I felt.
Holy......I'M ADAM?!?!?!?! IMPOSSIBLE!!! THERE IS NO WAY I WILL EVER BE LIKE ADAM!!
Some people are very disappointed about the ending. To me it was the perfect conclusion.
Glad you liked it!
Greetings from Germany!
Who the heck gets disappointed with such poetic ending. I cried a lot despised it but can never get disappointed. It's the perfect way.
@@hitlerkiller well, they think that the whole story building up around Jonas and Martha was so complex.
I think they would have liked a big battle with lightsabers and spaceships. 😂
@@AnnRose142 And would still get disappointed. Lol
I think the 3 seasons were perfect. Also fits to the theme of 3 - 33 yrs - the triqueta - 3 worlds... I wasn't exhausted I loved it
God that song when Jonas and Martha disintegrated really hit me. The entire episode i was like "you better not make me cry" lmao and they really had to do it smh
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So Tannhaus saved his family by creating the timemachine in the end.
And he didn't even know that he did it
@@footgoblin so he didn't but kinda did
In a way the time machine undid itself by making itself obsolete and Removed the paradox.
@@felixkempel2177 or created a never ending paradox 😜
I just realized that "Sic Mundus Creatus Est" ("thus the world was created") was the motto of the ancestor of a man who literally created worlds. Mind blown... again.
Damn that makes sense. How do I keep missing these little details 😭
It's funny how the show refers to an unknown village full of time travelling incest people as 'the world'
It's crazy to think that tannhaus created something and saved his family without even knowing
and technically he never created it either lmao a paradox, a glich in the matrix once again
"The question is not...."
Everybody : OH GAWWD!!!!
No, me not.
The craziest thing about the show is that everything make sense. I was very afraid that it will be a nonsense unawnserd ending but it was awesomr. This is one of the best written shows of all time. And in my top 5 shows of all time. Just my opinion
I think pretty much everyone who's watched Dark would say it's in their top 5....well apart from these guys lol.
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1. Power plant doesn't exist in the origin world. The shot with Jonas and Martha dissolving into the air shows the same shot of a crossroad in the other worlds and there is always a power plant. Thus Regina doesn't get cancer.
BTW!!! If you look intently at the first season intro opening, title DARK is written upon this same shot without power plant. The opening is also operating with three images - two are mirrored and the third is always separate.
2. Boys getting killed not exclusively because of time machine but also because of need the same loop running over and over - Mads' disappearance triggers Ulrich's career path and his decision to kill Helge, Jasin was taken down because he was Elisabeth's possible love interest messing it up for Noah. Erik - to trigger the gang to go to the caves and Mikkel to disappear.
this is beautiful! I never even noticed the last shot of Jonás and Martha didn’t show the power plants, I even have the season one intro ending as my phone background and never even noticed
I have the opposite opinion, once I figured that everything was "fate" I became interested to see how everything came to be, and also the tension of if the show would end in a loop, total destruction or a happy ending with a new world. The loop did not exhaust me, it interested me in how everything got there and I believe they could have done more episodes if they wanted to showing more of certain characters. But, I loved the ending as well and how it was done.
I'm kinda surprised about your constant annoyance of certain points, the ending was great sure but I'm literally in love with the entirety of how we got there. You guys keep mentioning that it needed to be compressed into 2 seasons and I really don't know where you would be able to do some cuts. If you go back even seemingly insignificant parts are just a love-letter to detail. They planned this whole thing out from the start and said 3 seasons, no more no less, saying that they've milked it is kinda unfair I think. This show became popular as hell, if they really would've wanted to milk it Netflix would've embraced them with open arms, that much is sure.
All in all your reactions were hilarious though, I really enjoyed them. The sarcasm and dark humor was really on point all the time, I had a good laugh. I found you through Dark and even though I give the show a little more credit than you guys I will sure stick around. Looking forward to more cool shit
Yeah, the creators said that they wrote this show as a trilogy from the beginning
DrewX86 As a writer, it breaks my heart when people think season 2 was useless.
You're so right! 👍
@@NinaPB Ya. Like people say that DARK is so confusing and complicated. Imagine 3 seasons worth of information that we got being dumped one upon the other in just....2 seasons. While the story would still remain good, the execution wouldn't as there would barely be enough time left for emotions of all the characters, which was also a major highlights of the show, which people often forget in the shadow of its great storytelling
How the fuck can some say this series was milked? If anything it needs at least one more season imo. But I still think they wrapped it up beautifully in just 3 seasons. I didn’t feel like there a damn unnecessary scene in its entire run
The 1st time I watched it I didn't realize right away :
1) the aspect ratio changing to show u that u were in the origin world
And
2) that the nuclear power plant wasn't there
Yep. No nuclear power = no nuclear waste = no fuel for time travel = no big mess called Dark!
@@whateverrockyourboat1899 Also Regina not got Cancer because of it.
Noah Took Jasin (The child in the first season because he kind of dated elisabeth ( she told her mother in the first season that they are together) so he eliminated his love rival .
whoa never though of it like that and i've seen the show 3 times, brilliant writing all the way!!
That's true. All the missing kids are part of the plan to maintain the events/loop
What happens of the future agnes that old adam sends back to past from 2053?
Alexander and Regina didn't meet in the original world because Ulrich didn't exist. It means Katharina won't bother Regina in the woods where they met Boris. (Katharina thought Regina was the one who reported that she was raped by Ulrich)
I think Katharina bullying Regina had more to do with Ulrich than the rape allegation, since it was going on before then.
You did some of the best Dark reactions on all of RUclips. Funny as hell, with lots of sarcasm, but also many legitimately good points few other reactors have ever thought about. Will definitely keep my eyes peeled for your reactions to shows i watch.
Dark has so many clues and references, right from S1E1, that the more you watch, the more they make sense in hindsight. I've recently been watching other reactions to the earliest episodes, and noticed that for example some of the dialogue is repeated in S3 by someone else, suddenly giving it a whole new meaning. And all the items that appear in different times, all the scenes that are repeated in a different way, the sets that are mirrored, and so on... the complexity of this undertaking has me in awe. For me it's a terrific show, certainly the best series dealing with time travel.
Did anyone notice when they were swimming in the lake ( young magnous) told them a story about a woman who died in the same lake a few years ago .. the story was about his mother death 🙂💔 what an amazing writers
Great show, i hope "Dark" is not a miraculous "one hit wonder" from Baran bo Odar and Jantje Friese and that they'll be able to produce more quality series like this one.
Even though I am not a Horror-fan, I will watch their new show 1899 when it comes (Apparently it is a Horror-story set in 1899 on a Steam.ship taking European immigrants to the new world).
They already did two amazing movies here in Germany. One of them "Who Am I" is a hacker thriller. Some say it was basically the inspiration for Mr.Robot.
@@HeroBoy1989 damn they did who am i? I will definitely keep an eye on them :D
@@MrSmokinDragon actually that sounds interesting.
@@HeroBoy1989 Oh wow. thats from them? I loved it and yeah, it rly was like Mr. Robot or the other way around. Great Movie.
i felt that for a while you kinda misunderstood the series, expecting things to change even before we knew the full extent of the knot. i think the people who really enjoyed the series were interested in watching the pieces fall into place, and how everything connected in the end. the weakest spot for me was the dialogue for sure, there were many scenes when the older character couldnt say anything but the younger were asking fair questions, which resulted, well, in saying "you will understand some day" "the end is the beginning" "your world and mine" like 1000 times. but the plot i think was a masterclass and in the end i found things to root for in all the characters.
anyways i loved the reactions! and look forward to whatever show you do next :) maybe a funny one, i think you guys are so funny already it would be fantastic
The ever-repeating dialog must have be an allusion to Nietzsche's eternal recurrence and an endless cycle itself :D
It's funny how they all had the same opinion the entire way through the show. All of them were complaining and seemingly weren't enjoying it. I feel like if they watched it individually they'd have enjoyed it more because they wouldn't be able to project each others thoughts on one another.
I've seen a lot of channels covering Dark and this is the only channel I've seen where the content creators have been like this, all the others have said Dark is one of if not the greatest show they've seen.
Like I don't expect everyone to think the show is amazing but when the dude said he was gonna give it a rating of 4 that's just crazy talk lmao.
Yes, Martha and Jonas seeing each other when they were kids always happened. That's what got their entanglement started in the first place. Claudia always split her realities. The one in which she sends Adam and Jonas on the path to the original world. And the one in which she heads back to 1953 to tell her father that she's sorry and gets shot by Noah. But this time we the viewers witnessed Jonas and Martha stop the car accident happening let to the manifestation of the linear timeline in the original world again. Before us watching the show two realities existed in the original world the one in which Tannhaus loses his family and builds his machine which creates the two worlds of Adam and Eva. And the one in which he never builds the time machine b/c his family doesn't die in a car accident. Like Schrödinger's cat who was alive and dead at the same time as long as no one witnessed the cat dying.
In the end, Claudia was the most valuable player on the chessboard and a father who built a time machine to save his family and failed gets to live on with his family without knowing that he's tried to save them and succeeded.
If Claudia always splits her reality, how did Eve know that Adam was gonna be there to kill her? She seems surprised to see that she isn't actually killed by Adam at that moment. I mean that's what "normally" happens right? I think Adam's realization of the origin world is the first time it happens, not always happens because Claudia doesn't always split her reality. Could be wrong tho.
Because when Claudia shows up at Adams future headquarter she splits his reality as well. In one reality he still shoots Eva and in the other we follow him to reconcile with Eva. And because we are witnessing this moment between Adam and Eva this reality finally manifests itself.
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But there's the question that if jonas and martha stop Tanhaus' family accident which leads old Tanhaus into creating the time machine and thus splitting the origin world into Adam and Eva's world, then, well, Adam and Eva's world never exist and so jonas and martha never exist. But if they never exist then how do they get back to the origin world to stop the accident from happening in the first place?
Seemed like the grandfather paradox to me idk, also at the end when hanna says that 'jonas' seems like a good name to call my kid and looks at the yellow raincoat that seemed like a foreshadowing to me . It's like Claudia said that it might not happen at the same time and it might not happen in the same way, but it must happen.
Also, at the beginning of the last ep i guess she tells adam that every decision he makes is just another step in the tangle, so him deciding to heed her advice and send jonas and martha to the origin world to stop all this from happening might just be that, another step in the tangle.
@@BusyBee01 Tannhaus destroys his world and creates the two worlds of Adam and Eva in 1986 because he lost his son in 1971.
Since then the two worlds looped infinitely with Claudia always splitting herself to send Adam on his path to Jonas and Jonas and Martha back to the origin world.
Jonas and Martha travel back to 1971 in the origin world to save Tannhaus' family and the linear timeline is established in which Tannhaus never invents his machine, and never destroys his world and creates the two world of Adam and Eva with their infinite loop.
And if time isn't looping anymore but moving linear again from 1971 on Tannhaus' family doesn't have to be saved again.
Marek and Sonja are us everyday people. Jonas and Martha just told us to stop all the stupid fight and it's time to go to our lives.
Yeah, I like how this series has definite beginning and ending. They are not trying to milk the series by stretching it with unrelated side story
1899 will be their next project on Netflix
In the first season, in the first chapters, the storyteller is the clockmaker.
Something I think a lot of people miss is that Jonas and Martha are their own great great grandparents. Jonas is also Martha's great great grandfather and Martha is Jonas' great great great grandmother. (I may have missed a few greats there). Jonas and Martha's son is Ulrich's grandfather, that's why old Martha needs him to survive and Jonas wants to kill him. Never seen so much incest in a tv show.
Yeah. And Jonas's niece (Agnes) has a child with Jonas's son (cleft lip guy).
sen.m Yea, that kid is Tronte, Ulrich’s father. Wild
I guess this is another reason why I preferred Eve's world Martha, besides the fact that she is more interesting and I only really cared for Adam's world Martha because Jonas cared for her. At least EMartha is not his aunt. :D GoT screwed with my morals on this topic anyway though. To the point where I was like "Screw it (only talking about fiction though), cousin-cousin, is a allowed in many countries. What does 12,5 or 25% degree of kinship matter?" Then I realised 25% is the same as one has with their grandparents. So, weird again. Anyway I like EMartha and AJonas :D
I remember the first time I seen this show 33 years ago. What a wild rush of nostalgia.
33 years ago? Whatever bro! I first heard the story in 1921 around a campfire. That was a wild ride! Sorry for the late response though. My apple has a chip in it.
Dark's convincing and bittersweet ending would surely remind us of the frustration we have about GOT S8 writing. If only D&D used 20% of the brains of Dark writers for the S8.
If only we had the good 20 episodes for S7 and S8, then they dint had to rush the story like idiots. They tried to not incur too much cost & not increase the budget required and that cost them the reputation and also losing the revenue, as half of the fans would not rewatch it! Aaaarrrghhh!
Anyway Dark was a great ride and I totally get how frustrating the elaborated & repeated this loop was but amen was structuring it so well. You guys need to watch Steins Gate anime where all kinds of time traveling is dealt very convincingly!
JuiceLabs! 👊🏼
I couldn't agree more. The ending of Dark is what game of thrones promised but failed to be: bittersweet
>"They tried to not incur too much cost & not increase the budget required"
If I recall correctly, it wasn't that D&D were trying to be frugal or whatever, but rather that they just mentally checked out and wanted out. HBO actually offered them full seasons, and even suggested they go past 8 seasons. But D&D are the ones who turned HBO down and opted for two short seasons ending at S8. If that's an accurate assessment, then they had the budget to not rush the conclusion. They just said essentially "nah we're just gonna check out, sorry." Which would make sense if you consider that they were lined up to write for Star Wars and just wanted to jump ship.
Which makes it sweeter knowing that Disney dropped them.
I'm not 100% on all of that, so if someone knows more details then feel free to correct me.
@@WhatIsNature If we want to discuss D&D we should probably look at all the stuff The Dragon Demands has gathered on the topic.
Great journey with you guys. It legit feels like I'm hanging with friends when watching your reactions. Definitely here for the long haul with you four
This show is great. If you look back, you will see how vital Claudia's role really is. Even makes you want to rewatch the entire show to see how things are connected and look for the clues again. I think many, including myself, didn't quite get the fact that Adam was, in fact, clueless regarding certain truths, because of the fact that the Adam who many saw as the villain, is the version of Jonas who saved himself when he hid in the basement during the apocalypse and our original season 1 Jonas was the one whom Eve killed in the alternate world. That would explain why Adam would not be in possession of information vital to him figuring everything out, then he travels back in time and becomes the Adam that wants to destroy the loop by destroying both worlds, which he knew existed because of Alt world Martha telling him that in 1888. It all makes way more sense now :) And Claudia must have endlessly trvalled the loop,each time figuring a crumb of info which she then taught herswlf over and over again...even though she mentioned 33 years as her time od figuring it all out.
Really important to realize when you are talking about how gullible Jonas is, keep in mind the multiple timelines. When Adam saves him after shooting Martha, yes he had traveled through the tunnel but he had never been to the future, never met alt martha or eva, future claudia, etc. That Jonas watches Martha get killed by Adam, Adam comes right back and takes him to save alt Martha, they go to the origin world, stop the apocalypse, and they both die. The 1800s, future, and everything else was all experienced by the other Jonas, so he isn't as gullible as you first think.
Such a great show, was worried you guys were gonna hate the show at the end but glad the ending gave you a sense of satisfaction with the creators wrapping everything in this finale. Looking forward to what you boyz do next :).
I love this season, I love this show... and I really loved your reactions, even though we disagree on some things ☺️ But I have to say something about Claudia: she was just as selfish as Eva. The only reason she helped break the loop was because she knew she, her parents and, most importantly, Regina, all existed and were ok in the origin world. At the end of the day Claudia had zero losses (except for her grandson but she didn't seem to care that much about him anyways). That's why I'm still team Adam; he was the only one willing to sacrifice everything and everyone to free them all from that hell.
About Aleksander: in the OG world his life went the same way we saw, up until the point he should meet Regina: since Ulrich didn't exist, Regina wasn't being bullied in the woods, Aleksander never saved her, she never took care of his wound, they never fell in love. Either he ran someplace else or he may even have died from the gunshot, there is no way to know :(
What I got out of this:
Every world is someones world.
The writers could've condensed down this story a lot because originally it was an idea for a movie but I think it was a good move to turn it into the best TV show ever.
I’m glad it wasn’t a movie, the story is too complicated to be done in a couple hours
I think that’s why lots of people didn’t like TENET it story was as just as complicated
This was a lesson on how to plant seeds and connect dots in storytelling in a way that feels earned. Complete opposite to the Game Of Thrones ending.
Goodbye the best tv series in ever 😢
The time Maschine which was created by the doc actually worked to bring his son and daughter in law back when he even didn’t know!
Holy shit that's true 😲
to Dark: thx for the best show
to JuiceLabs: thx for the best reactions
Of course you need season two entirely. There is so much information to fully understand everything that is going on in the show.
The momoent that Tannhaus built the time machine and saved Marek and Sonja without knwoing it... 🤯
Good reaction guys! When I was watching the last episode, I was getting so anxious and mad thinking that Jonas and Martha are going to cause the accident and the loop repeats itself. But, fortunately they didn't disappoint us. They went for a simple and emotional ending which was great!
I was anxious that while Marek talking to Jonas and Martha, some random truck hit his car and killed his wife and child 😂
@@hazri8758 Yeah I also thought that because it was a truck that pushed them off the bridge
Why they used the kids with the time machine is explained three times in the show, so you guys should definitely rewatch! Everything is connected.
Thank you. Dark is one of the best series ever and gives me, as a German, a sense of pride that I only know from soccer games. Best Hansel and Gretel adaptation ever 👍
I thought S2 was the best season with S02E06 being one of the best episode of the entire show.
"Ultimate Fist Bump"
I LOVED YOUR REACTION! It's bittersweet but happy ending in some way.
...Though I had to go through existential crisis myself once everyone we cared about ceased to exist.
I love watching your guys' reactions to this show! Binged the entire series on this channel and enjoyed the insight and humor alot!!
I think it comes to being able to fully connect with this very particular storytelling for what it is and what it brought, which I understand isn't for everyone. Some of my close friends gave up on the show. But I was never apprehensive or frustrated with the possibility of a "The beginning is the end..." ending because, for a while, I actually thought that was how it was going to end anyway. Had this been written by lesser creators, it would've annoyed me very quickly, I imagine, but everything being so well thought out made it rewarding to see the connections of pieces we had seen previously. I was just interested and involved, and some of my favourite moments were the flashbacks showing how things connected.
Its been so good watching it again with u guys cuz u missed these little details on the show. Thanks for the reaction cuz i recommend everyone to watch this mind blowing serie.
I don’t agree. They never milked it.
In the final scene in the picture with Claudia it's Mr. Doppler, Helge's dad being the real father of Regina. I think in the origin world she's Regina Doppler, I 'm not sure if the power plant actually exists because it was the cleft lip crew that were making sure the plant was built so if he doesn't exist I guess the permit wasn't approved and she's living in the little house that was Jonas', so she's not very wealthy. I enjoyed the ending but I was disappointed we didn't know more of Boris/Aleksander, I was almost sure old Claudia sent him from the future to take care of Regina because she knew she was going to disappear and Egon was going to die but in the end he was just a thief that came to Winden and met Regina by luck, he must exist in other town and never came to Winden, others say that maybe he died if in the origin world he did commit a crime but he never met Regina in the woods and nobody helped him. He was one of my favorite characters because he was very mysterious and him and Regina were the only normal couple that truly loved each other in both worlds. But I was happy that Peter and Benni could live gay and proud in the origin.
I always loved Claudia, that means that in s2 I think in "Ghosts" she had everything figured out when she apologized to Egon and was very confident telling Noah she didn't lose the game even if he shot her. In the end she was, look Adam and Eve, you shouldn't exist, let us live in peace in the origin so fuck off lol
4 guys watching C-beams glitter in the Dark near the Tannhauser Gate.
The writers always wanted it to be a trilogy. So i think the second season wasnt unnecessary, it kinda helps you to understand the characters better. I think 3 season with 8ep each was perfect
if u knew much more about time... u would be loving about the concept used in the season 1 and 2.... maybe u are the kind of people who just care about good endings...
there r a lot of things to appreciate about this show.... but u aren't that observant....
You really should rewatch the series. There are a lot of things you may have missed and I think you'll appreciate the series more because of how they placed clues and hints throughout the entire series.
15:09 Actually they basically started to disappear the moment marek and Sonja went back to the H.G.Tannhaus Home.
The memory of them was the first thing that disappeared - When the Marek and Sonja went back to the H.G.Tannhaus, Sonja said that "marek was saved by a pair of angels" and Marek said that "it was just a feeling".
Also - Marek and Sonja are basically origin world Martha and Jonas - Marek is origin world version of martha (*MAR*ek Tann*HA*us) and Sonja is origin world version of Jonas (Sonja is an anagram of Jonas)
All moments of affirmation of the loop were huge fan favourites. If you were not into the loop than you can't enjoy the show up until the last episode which is a pitty. Exposition of the loop and suffering of the people within it was big part of the beauty of this show.
Liked your discussions though because you folks caught most details and had some true Science insights. Just wish you paid more attention to fate of characters, the visuals, background score etc. Eye rolling at the loop prevented you from appreciating the show :)
In the original world , Katharina's name was not mentioned because her name was also influenced by time travel(Hanna suggested the name)
No, her name is still Katharina. Since the origin world existed first, Katharina always had that name and the loop worlds just gave us a reason for the name to exist.
Thank you guys for the reaction. I used to wait for each of your reaction episodes. Had a good run. Will miss Dark reactions badly :')
Pretty sure all the stuff with Woller's eye was just a prank by the writers 😂
No not at first , but maybe after a while, like in maybe S2?
As I heard the actor really did have and eye injury:/
Greetings from brazil guys, just loved watching the whole thing again. Keep up the good work!
By the way, I love how with this video, the end is the beginning and the beginning is the end. Ultimate fistbump! 🤜🤛
28:52 I thought we were switching to the alternate universe when the camera tried to focus lol
Looking for this comment 😂
Claudia wasn’t from the origin world. The origin world didn’t exist after the creation of Eva’s and Adams worlds. If Claudia was from the origin world then there would be no reason for her to end the loop since Regina would also exist in the origin world and wouldn’t be constantly dying of cancer. So there wasn’t an origin world at the time both other worlds existed. Claudia from Adams world is just a badass that figured out the secret.
Claudia was the smartest character of the whole show and that is shown multiple times: young Claudia giving private lessons to Helge, taking control of the power station as a woman and immediately noticing that there's something wrong in the figures, immediately realising that they found the god particle by accident etc. So when they were showing the fight between Adam and Eva, they tried to make people forget about her but I knew that there always was a third party making her own thing and I was pretty sure that Claudia would outsmart them in the end. And Claudia was the only one of them three who existed in the original world.
Concerning Charlotte: remember the watch that Noah gave Elisabeth in one of the very first episodes? That watch was really old and belonged to Tannhaus' greatgrandfather who lost his beloved wife and found Sic Mundus. He was the first who wanted to build a time machine. So the pieces of the solution were already there very early in the show. We just didn't realise that they are important.
And about Aleksander: Since Ulrich never existed, Hannah never accused him of raping Katharina and never blamed Regina. Therefore, Katharina and Ulrich never bullied Regina and Aleksander never forced them at gunpoint to stop it. Regina and Aleksander never fell in love and Bartosz was never born. And Katharina, Regina and Hannah are best friends now as there has never been Ulrich as a reason for tension.
And since Martha's son never existed, the building permit for the power plant was never issued, neither Bernd Doppler, Helge's stepfather, nor Claudia became CEO of the plant and Tronte never existed, so it wasn't Tronte who had an affair with Claudia, but Bernd. His grandson Peter never met Charlotte and came together with Benny while Benny's brother married Hannah and is expecting a baby child.
Starting with the affair between Egon and Hannah, eliminate all descendants of this relationship consequently from the family tree and as a result, only those people remain that really existed in the original world. Silja was never born, therefore Noah and Agnes as well. Charlotte, Franziska and Elisabeth as descendants from Noah did not exist. Tronte, Mads, Ulrich, Magnus, Martha, Mikkel, Jonas and the Unknown as descendants from Agnes did not exist. And as the Unknown didn't exist, Tronte doubly didn't exist...
The actor of Wöller hurt his eye just before shooting began. They integrated his injury into the story.
There could've been Infinite worlds! If baby Charlotte hadn't been brought to Tannhaus, the split world Tannhaus wouldn't have had a baby to care for and he might've just welded his crazy machine there as well, creating more worlds. Rinse and repeat until infinity. 😄
yeah, Charlotte and Elisabeth were basically saving us from multiplying the friggin worlds.
Ive watched so many reaction videos to this show and you guys are the closest I’ve gotten to what I reacted to. Just complete confusion but love for the show. Great reactions
Plus the dip, I’m on the zyn train but you guys are kings hahaha
I’ve been thinking about this “creation of two worlds” part (how they split) and I realised something.
The only difference in alt-world(Martha’s world) is that Mikkel never travelled through the tunnel so Jonas doesn’t exist.
Then I thought about the fact-what started everything in Jonas’ world. And it was this - Mikkel travelling theough the tunnel and consequently people trying to find him, travelling as well … and Jonas sending himself a letter that his father left and the map and telling himself about time travel.
And then I remembered what Mikkel said. Jonas BROUGHT him through the tunnel. Which means Jonas is the one who started everything in his world by his free will to do this. (He caused the existence of himself so basically he created himself knowingly).
And then followed by Martha also telling herself about time travel (her older self sent Jonas to get her from her world). And she already had that apple travelling machine. She provoked Jonas with the apple to follow her and tricked him into having a baby (see the parallel with the Biblical story) and then tried to keep the baby alive. Causing all this events to happen and the world to be created and keep existing.
So older versions of Jonas and Martha were actually responsible for creation of the worlds (I mean as a consequence of Tannhouse opening the portal - he made it possible - so we can look at him as this sort of like God figure) and older versions of Jonas and Martha = Adam and Eve. So Adam and Eve were responsible for the creation of the worlds (by influencing their younger selves and ensuring their own existance) but God made it possible. There’s also the apple and baby and all that.
I think Eve’s storyline is particularly interesting because we don’t get to know, how all the time travelling developed in her world and how everyone was created (like Ulrich, Agnes …).
And in the end everything is stopped by the younger selves of Adam and Eve.
And Claudia plays the role of “knowledge” or “consciousness” impersonalised. We could also say that she gives then the knowledge about their free will in the situation. She gave Adam and Eve knowledge about where their actions would lead them so their young selves would stop it. I just thought about how we can compare her to Jesus (if we are doing a comparison to the Bible). The young versions would stop it and clear the world of “sin”.
And she also sacrifices herself in the process but survives.
That’s my comparison to the Biblical version.
I’m not Christian but I thought that might be interesting.
Oh and another little part. As I said before if we compare Tanhaus to God (because he created the tunnel and subsequently enabled the worlds to create themselves) - on the tunnel it says “Let there be light” which is how in the Bible God creates the world.
Just watched a few 1rst season episode after the Finale. It get so much sense; the look old one gives to younger selves... it's amazing.
Fascinating how different opinions can be all around: I myself had a 9/10 for the first season 10/10 for the second and about 7/10 for the third, mainly because I thought the third was way too fast paced and "jumppy" and some storylines were wrapped together too fast for me - and Alexander's and Peter's were left too in the open as I wanted to know more about them. You on the other hand seemed to like the faster pace and could even have skipped the second season, which for me was the best season of television I've ever seen.
But I'm glad that you're honest and not forcing anything to please the viewers.
Thanks a lot for great all the great reactions throughout this series. I laughed a lot watching you.
Great reactions! I like how you guys give your honest opinion and not just the standard RUclips fake praise and uncontroversial opinions
Its a masterpiece no way to argue
We’ve been podcasting this since season one and my co-host (my husband) was like, “Why is no one considering Tanhauss as the cause?!” Then in episode 7 we saw him doing something we hadn’t seen him do before: build a machine in the bunker. He felt so vindicated. I figured there was a 3rd world simply because of three interlocking symbols, but didn’t a theory on HOW it existed.
In the origin world the Nuclear powr plant was never built because the "Unknown" didnt exist and so he could not blackmail the owner of coal company.
they didnt disappear right away coz Jonas & Martha stopped them before. so they had the time -from this road junction till bridge for things to alter.
after that period got over they disappeared. correct me if im wrong.
No correction, I think you're right. :D
Man what a ride. I watched y’all reactions after I watched each episode myself
There really are two endings: within the story there is an effect of Shrodingers timeline. The ending is both "and it looped infinitely" and also "and the knot was severed." Both endings have always coexisted side by side within a single timeline. Either both endings exist, or neither exist, but it isn't until it is observed that it can be definitive.
another thing: seeing the different loopings and 3 seasons is useful to feel the pain and suffering in the life of each character
The three seasons are absolutely necessary and must not be shortened!
You complain about that you have seen that already? Yes, you do, because it has already happened infinite times. The creators refrained from showing how things happened in Eva's world and just let Adam say that the same happens. Another time and another way maybe, but the results are the same. So this was already taken from you. Each season has its purpose. Season 1 shows you what happens and leaves you with a lot of questions. Season 2 adds new aspects and shows why things happen, who is pulling the strings. E.g. Bartosz and Noah digging the passage appears here for the first time. And Season 3 finally solves why things have to happen and why the players are doing what they do, explaining their motivations. All that is part of the whole complex building of the show.
Have you guys watched The Leftovers? That might be a good show to react.
I love that show, and it's another one that stuck the landing.
@@SingWhileYouMay They might not like the ending
One of my all-time favorites, right up there with Dark at the ceiling of top-tier quality series.
Though a bit curious how JuiceLabs would react. Considering they got frustrated by the loop in Dark and how the holes gradually got closed up over the course of the series (whereas this was part of the point of the show and something that many people, including myself, highly enjoyed), I wonder if they'd get frustrated by the lack of "answers" in The Leftovers (whereas the point of the show isn't about the mystery, but the results of it). After all, The Leftovers has extremely divisive reception due to how many people got frustrated over that element, so I think this recommendation is more hit-or-miss.
Either way I'd still say it's worth a shot and thus worth recommending. Worst case, they dislike it. Best case, they see one of the best shows they've ever watched. That's a risk where you don't have much to lose, but a whole lot to gain.
@@WhatIsNature Agreed regarding the ending of the Leftovers, very divisive amongst people I knew who watched it lol
Arça Ilıcak The Leftovers is my all-time favorite drama. This is my second.
The cool thing is that you can watch this series twice and discover all the hints and foreshadowing.
Corey was right about the time babies. The people at the end, along with the clockmaker, are from the origin world. Claudia was the only original character to die to save her daughter, preserving the actual people from endless repetition.
There is no nuclear power plants in the original world (as seen in last scenes) because Cleft Lip never existed... So Bernd Doppler never got the permission to build power plant
also, u said more than once that the series needed some kind of comic relief, but when u get that both words were created from tannhaus' pain, and loss, u get the ambiance of the show itself, being so detached of color, and dark, pun intended.
I think the apple is just the other worlds version of the time machine. One world got the time machine, the other got the apple. thats the whole explainatory origin of it.
my reaction to this ending was pretty much the same👍🏼🤚🏼 i loved the series, the story and how everything just made sense through the episodes (yeah what a nerd) ..and I was so proud that european series did so well on netflix
Glad I stumbled onto this reaction, you guys are a good hang