I think Mihoyo already established a precedent with our free "5 star" traveler so no one is surprised by how underpowered Aloy is. Also most people don't have her yet so most people don't have experience playing her so maybe part of why there's very little talk about her. We were also distracted by the whole Raiden Beidou fiasco. Personally not planning to build Aloy. Your video solidifies my decision. Thanks for all the detailed videos with thorough testing!
Tried to build her to 40 lvl, and then stopped because why should I even do this shit. She looks fun, but really underwhelming and also I have a nice C4 Chongyun built with Rosaria's arts and 20k DMG from single burst sword. So, yeah .-.
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I feel like Aloy's niche is as a SubDPS for Physical DPS such as Eula or Rosaria. In those teams you can't use Chongyun because of his infusion so she fits way better.
I feel like aloy is better if ur running ganyu morgana bc what ur gonna use chongyun's infusion for I'll rather put him in a xiangling or kaeya team ya know
That's not what happened. She's a 5-star because she's a special collab character. The Traveler is also basically a 4-star, but is technically a 5-star because they're a special character. Her being a free character is both the reason for her being a 5-star and for her being on the level of a 4-star. miHoYo wouldn't make a super strong character and just give them out for free, that's why the Traveler, who is literally the main character, is weak af.
I dont think this was a fair test, Aloy doesnt do well in freeze teams bc of the icd in her infusion. I did my own test and even with trash artifacts i was hitting 22k skill and 70k burst with lvl 6 talents and r4 rust (havent done the test on stringless yet). She fits best in melt teams, you can even double melt if you run 2 pyro units bc of how weak her elemental guage is in her skill
Chongyun doesn't do that well in freeze teams either. He also fits best in melt teams and he can TRIPLE melt. A similarly built Chongyun put in his best melt team would've probably done 100k to 150k with his burst. I don't think the point that he made in this video would've changed. But at the end of the day, Chongyun isn't considered "meta" either and I know a ton of characters that would've been hitting the big 200k-600k numbers. It's best just to use the characters you like.
well xiangling is just broken haha but that's not always the case for example kaeya and ayaka; c0 ayaka still destroys c6 kaeya same story for eula and Razor!
I was hoping you would do a melt burst dps comparison too, And I also calculated it that she will one of the one of the worst 5 star charector comparing with other 5 star charectors when she is leaked on honey hunter
One thing to mention is that if Chongyun burst works the way I think then the fact that it is 3 separate hits means the expected damage will be lower than Aloys unless they both are at 100% crit. I'm saying this based on it being harder to land 3 crits than a single crit. If both had a crit chance of 80% then the odds of every hit(1) of Aloys burst critting will be 80%. The odds of every hit(3) of Chongyun burst critting will be 80% * 80% * 80% = 51%. By doing multiple hits Chongyun burst will rarely not crit but will also rarely full crit. I'm not at endgame yet so idk how hard it will be to get 100% crit chance but at the very least his burst isn't strictly better than hers for this reason alone. I'm also not sure how his burst works with melt and whether or not all 3 hits would trigger melt damage on the same enemy. That said Aloy is definitely a 4* but that's ok with me. I like the character and her being free made her super appealing for a newbie like myself. I hope she gets constellations in the future that remove the ICD on her skill and extends her rushing ice duration or makes her ult drop the chill water bomblets as well. That would make it easier to proc her infusion
Lmao what a nonesnese way of twisting the math. If you have an Aloy with 80% critical chance, and you attack a thousand times, on average you will crit 800 times (a.k.a 80% of the hits) If you have a Chongyun and you use his burst one thousand times with the same 80% critical chance, you will also crit 80% of the time on average (around 2400 out of the 3000 hits). My point is that 80% is 80%. You can't say "if my 80% crit chance character crits, that means I crit 100% of the time". No, 80% is 80%. And if your point is "but if I'm assuming I crit" then okay well at that point you might as well also asume Chongyun crits all three times. What's the difference? You can assume whatever you want. But at the end of the day, 80% is 80%. And if nothing else, Chongyun spreading his damage into three hits is much better because on Aloy you could miss a crit and cause you to deal massive reduced damage, which might force you to extend your rotation for longer and might rob you of valuable time in the Abyss. On the other hand, Chongyun "spreads out" his crits into his 3 hits, making him more consistent. With your 80% critical chance, the odds of landing 3 critical hits are 51.2% as you said. But the odds of landing "at least" 1 crit out of those 3 hits is actually 99.2% (1-0.2^3) where 0.2 is the 20% chance of not criting and the "1 minus" is to flip the calculation back to "criting" from "not criting". So whereas 1 single hit with 80% leaves you with a 20% chance of not criting, Chongyun with the same 80% critical chance is almost guaranteed to crit with at least 1 of those 3 hits, leaving you witn only a 0.8% chance of failing to crit. And the probability of criting with at least 2 of the hits (so, 2 or 3 out of the three) is actually 89.6%. Here is an interesting website where you can experiment. Click on "Advanced Mode" for full customization. www.omnicalculator.com/statistics/coin-flip-probability
Building her regardless. Like HZD and she’s a good cryo nuke.I have c6 chongyun but i will build her regardless and I also need a bow character to use.
There is no competition when you're comparing C0 to a max constellation 😂 it's bold for you to say underwhelming TRASH F2P is'nt she supposed to be no spend primos in a f2P perspective aloy is good addition to your team she's better than chongyun C0 - C4 because her kit is much better imo dmg decrease, +8% atk, fast cryo battery and she's actually good counter 4 oceanid / electro oceanid they kept trigger chill water bombs 1 by 1 so icd rushing ice state 28-35 cryo dmg bonus% isn't a prob XD that's all I want to say if you like aloy she isworth investment you can put her melt team best for F2P, her best weapon is stringless r1-r5 which is nice you don't have to get 5 star weapon hard pity but if you're medium spender my pick for now is chongyun because she does'nt have constellation yet if that times comes her value will be skyrocket overall they're both good ^^
agreed to don't think aloy is trash i still think she's fun and has situations where she's better then chongyun 100%! My point is she's no where near a 5 star level and is by every metric a 4 star character
If you get them both to level 9 chongyun will still have 3 more levels than aloy bc of his constellation which aloy can't get BC she doesn't have constellations
I think Mihoyo already established a precedent with our free "5 star" traveler so no one is surprised by how underpowered Aloy is. Also most people don't have her yet so most people don't have experience playing her so maybe part of why there's very little talk about her. We were also distracted by the whole Raiden Beidou fiasco. Personally not planning to build Aloy. Your video solidifies my decision. Thanks for all the detailed videos with thorough testing!
Tried to build her to 40 lvl, and then stopped because why should I even do this shit. She looks fun, but really underwhelming and also I have a nice C4 Chongyun built with Rosaria's arts and 20k DMG from single burst sword. So, yeah .-.
She's okay, but they really need to fix her up with some free constellations (and/or make it easier to trigger her cryo infusion for main dpsing)
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thanks ma boi, that was a good video.
I feel like Aloy's niche is as a SubDPS for Physical DPS such as Eula or Rosaria. In those teams you can't use Chongyun because of his infusion so she fits way better.
Finally the voice of truth 👍🏻
They both shine with Melt ugh
I feel like aloy is better if ur running ganyu morgana bc what ur gonna use chongyun's infusion for I'll rather put him in a xiangling or kaeya team ya know
Aloy is amazing in a team with Ayaka, Xiangling and Bennett
Basically the community pressured Mihoyo for a free 5 star and what they did is gave us a 4 star but they named it 5 star so we would shut up
It's not even a "5 star" - it's not even yellow, it's red period.
That's not what happened. She's a 5-star because she's a special collab character. The Traveler is also basically a 4-star, but is technically a 5-star because they're a special character.
Her being a free character is both the reason for her being a 5-star and for her being on the level of a 4-star. miHoYo wouldn't make a super strong character and just give them out for free, that's why the Traveler, who is literally the main character, is weak af.
I dont think this was a fair test, Aloy doesnt do well in freeze teams bc of the icd in her infusion.
I did my own test and even with trash artifacts i was hitting 22k skill and 70k burst with lvl 6 talents and r4 rust (havent done the test on stringless yet).
She fits best in melt teams, you can even double melt if you run 2 pyro units bc of how weak her elemental guage is in her skill
I actually agree, just got her today because of 2.2 update and she's actually pretty strong and most of all fun to use.
Chongyun doesn't do that well in freeze teams either. He also fits best in melt teams and he can TRIPLE melt. A similarly built Chongyun put in his best melt team would've probably done 100k to 150k with his burst. I don't think the point that he made in this video would've changed. But at the end of the day, Chongyun isn't considered "meta" either and I know a ton of characters that would've been hitting the big 200k-600k numbers. It's best just to use the characters you like.
Yeah but chongyun can triple melt lmao
4star c6 always does better than a c0 5star…same story for diluc < c6 xiangling…c6 sarah > baal.
well xiangling is just broken haha but that's not always the case for example kaeya and ayaka; c0 ayaka still destroys c6 kaeya same story for eula and Razor!
I was hoping you would do a melt burst dps comparison too, And I also calculated it that she will one of the one of the worst 5 star charector comparing with other 5 star charectors when she is leaked on honey hunter
One thing to mention is that if Chongyun burst works the way I think then the fact that it is 3 separate hits means the expected damage will be lower than Aloys unless they both are at 100% crit. I'm saying this based on it being harder to land 3 crits than a single crit. If both had a crit chance of 80% then the odds of every hit(1) of Aloys burst critting will be 80%. The odds of every hit(3) of Chongyun burst critting will be 80% * 80% * 80% = 51%. By doing multiple hits Chongyun burst will rarely not crit but will also rarely full crit. I'm not at endgame yet so idk how hard it will be to get 100% crit chance but at the very least his burst isn't strictly better than hers for this reason alone. I'm also not sure how his burst works with melt and whether or not all 3 hits would trigger melt damage on the same enemy.
That said Aloy is definitely a 4* but that's ok with me. I like the character and her being free made her super appealing for a newbie like myself. I hope she gets constellations in the future that remove the ICD on her skill and extends her rushing ice duration or makes her ult drop the chill water bomblets as well. That would make it easier to proc her infusion
Lmao what a nonesnese way of twisting the math.
If you have an Aloy with 80% critical chance, and you attack a thousand times, on average you will crit 800 times (a.k.a 80% of the hits)
If you have a Chongyun and you use his burst one thousand times with the same 80% critical chance, you will also crit 80% of the time on average (around 2400 out of the 3000 hits).
My point is that 80% is 80%. You can't say "if my 80% crit chance character crits, that means I crit 100% of the time".
No, 80% is 80%.
And if your point is "but if I'm assuming I crit" then okay well at that point you might as well also asume Chongyun crits all three times. What's the difference? You can assume whatever you want. But at the end of the day, 80% is 80%.
And if nothing else, Chongyun spreading his damage into three hits is much better because on Aloy you could miss a crit and cause you to deal massive reduced damage, which might force you to extend your rotation for longer and might rob you of valuable time in the Abyss. On the other hand, Chongyun "spreads out" his crits into his 3 hits, making him more consistent. With your 80% critical chance, the odds of landing 3 critical hits are 51.2% as you said.
But the odds of landing "at least" 1 crit out of those 3 hits is actually 99.2%
(1-0.2^3) where 0.2 is the 20% chance of not criting and the "1 minus" is to flip the calculation back to "criting" from "not criting".
So whereas 1 single hit with 80% leaves you with a 20% chance of not criting, Chongyun with the same 80% critical chance is almost guaranteed to crit with at least 1 of those 3 hits, leaving you witn only a 0.8% chance of failing to crit.
And the probability of criting with at least 2 of the hits (so, 2 or 3 out of the three) is actually 89.6%.
Here is an interesting website where you can experiment.
Click on "Advanced Mode" for full customization.
www.omnicalculator.com/statistics/coin-flip-probability
Building her regardless. Like HZD and she’s a good cryo nuke.I have c6 chongyun but i will build her regardless and I also need a bow character to use.
Respect it
i just put both of them in the same team with Xiangling and Bennet for the melt
I do have chongyun but I want to change him with alloy because i have no one that can do damage from a little further away
I have a question. Do you think aloy or rosaria is better at being support?
I have a question: If I put r2 stringless on Aloy and Animus on Chongyun, then who is stronger? Because that's what I have.
I also have im not sure
All units after and including her are getting niche
There is no competition when you're comparing C0 to a max constellation 😂 it's bold for you to say underwhelming TRASH F2P is'nt she supposed to be no spend primos in a f2P perspective aloy is good addition to your team she's better than chongyun C0 - C4 because her kit is much better imo dmg decrease, +8% atk, fast cryo battery and she's actually good counter 4 oceanid / electro oceanid they kept trigger chill water bombs 1 by 1 so icd rushing ice state 28-35 cryo dmg bonus% isn't a prob XD that's all I want to say if you like aloy she isworth investment you can put her melt team best for F2P, her best weapon is stringless r1-r5 which is nice you don't have to get 5 star weapon hard pity but if you're medium spender my pick for now is chongyun because she does'nt have constellation yet if that times comes her value will be skyrocket overall they're both good ^^
agreed to don't think aloy is trash i still think she's fun and has situations where she's better then chongyun 100%! My point is she's no where near a 5 star level and is by every metric a 4 star character
@@KingQavi true she's a hidden 4 star ⭐⭐⭐⭐ but 5 in my heart hehe
Wtf she's like kaeya but less hot, lesser multiplayers less consistency, she's mostly a cryo battery
She is a big melt nuker unlike Kaeya. My Aloy easily does 100k melt on her ult and 40k on her E.
@@genshinsage so does chongyung
@@eraldo1938 C0 Chongyun is not as good as Aloy nukes. Its only when he reaches C6 that he surpasses her.
@@genshinsage I have C2 chongyung
@@eraldo1938 Then aloy is still stronger when they are at equal investment.
This test is not fair. Chongyun talents are level 9 while Aloy talents are level 6 only.
Also Aloy performs best in a melt team. Not the freeze team.
@@genshinsage Morgana Team is statistically her best team, even though i do have more fun in a melt team
@@KingQavi The fourth character in Morgana team can be anyone and still be good.
If you get them both to level 9 chongyun will still have 3 more levels than aloy bc of his constellation which aloy can't get
BC she doesn't have constellations
@@genshinsage Chongyun's best team is also a melt team, not a freeze team. He's actually handicapped in a freeze team because of shatter.
Aloy is free.. what did u guys expect?? She is FREE for a reason. Chongyun worth thousand of primogem. Thats why Chongyun is a lot better
C6 Chongyun is quite good
umm xiangling and beidou is free
Sure if she was released as a free 4 star
@@bongolzxc but constellation need primogem. Aloy does not have constellation
@@preydatorz i hope there will be, i just need a cons that fix her coil stacks, then ill build her for sure as main dps
shes not that good, and shes not even that fun, lol
I use Aloy with Ayaka, Bennett and Xiangling. Its very fun to do big melt nukes.
@@genshinsage if you use chongyun benett jean/kazuha you can triple melt with his burst
@@bongolzxc True but Ayaka and Aloy combo is still stronger. Try it and see for yourself.
@@genshinsage Of course it is. Ayaka is hard carrying.
Chong can not get all burst melt but aloy can :))) , double melt with e if i not wrong :)
Chong can all burst melt :) just watch some video instead of saying bullshit ffs . Some player can do 100 K each sword ..
Chongyun can melt with all 3-4 hits of his burst quite easily actually.
Aloy is 3★