The TRUTH About 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel Life No One Told You!
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My 6.5 CM barrels last close to 2500 rnds. I order a new barrel around 1800 rnds and install them myself. Now, these barrels I take off will still shoot very well at 100 yds but what does degrade is MV consistency which causes vertical impact inconsistency when shooting way way out there. I see it like this. Barrels are like car tires, you have to get new ones at some point. The barrel is a consumable part of a rifle, no big deal, it’s just part of the game. My 6.5CM barrel last me about 9 months on average. When it comes to components, I buy in bulk and reload my own ammo.
Great content man and I’m digging this channel, thanks!!!!
They said the same thing about the 264 win mag back in the 60's.
I got my 264 win mag Remington 700 BDL from my uncle who bought it new in 1968, and he shot it with factory loads for 15 years, and probably never went through 6 boxes of shells.
When I got it he gave me a box and a half.
Which I went through, and couple more boxes in two trips to the range, because I wanted to be familiar with it so i knew without a dought where it would hit at several different distances.
I also wanted muscle memory to know exactly where every component was without having to look and fumble around trying to get safety off so on and so forth.
I switched to reloading the shells myself because I knew the gun was capable of far more than factory was allowing me to achieve.
Same weight bullets, but better powder and few more grains made big difference.
The stainless barrel is heavy, but after years of firing several boxes a year, I had it checked over, and the gun smith told me that it was still within factory specs for a new barrel, and not to worry about replacing it in my lifetime.
Other than a little wear on the blueing from where it's rode in the rack of my old jeep it looks as good as the day I took ownership.
Other than couple of scope upgrades since I replaced the original fixed 4 power scope nothing other than being striped down for complete cleaning every couple of years Other than normal cleaning after each trip to the range, or hunting season.
The one trip few years ago to have the barrel checked is only time since leaving the factory has it seen a gun smith.
I still shoot hotter than factory loads, and while you can find factory loads, they're too expensive to shoot in my opinion.
I bought 300 new brass few years after getting it, and I'm still on the first 100 with only a few of those taken out of use because they distorted due to being thinner brass than the average of the ones I've used, and they were reloaded half a dozen times before they failed.
So burnout is something if you maintain your equipment properly something very few will ever live to see from my experience.
Very informative video you made here, and for someone your age you've done your homework well I'd say, because most people believe the hype before they do the truth of real life experience of others
I think the different manufacturers are even the ones building the caliber that gets such things rumored about them, are just trying to sell the latest and greatest they've got.
Because if the old ones last forever, then new ones are that much harder to sell aren't they.
The guys that shoot enough to burn out a barrel.....don't worry about barrel life....its like tires to them....they wear out just replace them and move on. The other 90% of people who only shoot during hunting season that barrel would last them 20 life times or more.....if you are worried about barrel life.....don't its irrelevant.
That’s the best and most concise way I’ve seen anywhere to describe barrel life.
The guys that burn out barrels regularly in PRS generally have a few blanks or pre-chambered barrels on hand for the season that they can swap out when needed. I might be mistaken, but I think it was Francis Colon that said he has 4 or 5 on the shelf for a season, but the man shoots close to 15,000 rounds per year. I would argue over 85% of people will never shoot 15,000 rounds in their life. And, in all reality, the barrel is generally one of the cheapest components in a competition setup.
I put my first custom barrel on my 308 win. rifle this year for competition and have just over 1200 rounds on it. Already, I've spent more in reloaded ammo than I did on the barrel. I'm hoping to get over 4k out of this one before needed another barrel but at that point, it will have more than paid for itself. As others have said, those complaining about burn out, will most likely never need to worry about it.
barrel is simply a commodity like bullets or powder. the only issue with replacing barrel is finding a competent gunsmith to chamber one.
That's what prefit barrels are for. Buy a good enough action made to high tolerances and you can buy top tier prefits. Easy as fuk to change yourself with a Oz of common sense.
@@REDNECKROOTS prefits heavily differ in quality. it's always a lottery. even proof. Therefore, I prefer a match chamber cut by my gunsmith.
I've got close to 5000 rounds through my Christensen arms MPR 6.5 Creedmoor that I bought a little over 2 years ago. I'm just like you Pete I don't run them hot. By the way, I need some more baboon videos!
That is impressive.
The difference in many countries is when you get a barrel blank chambered it takes half a year of lead time to order one, and then starts the next half year wait on the gunsmithing work.. which only begins once they receive your rifle.
All the while hoping the gunsmith is competent enough not to ruin your gear because there are really no big name gunsmiths around.
You can't pay to avoid that inconvenience like you can with handloading.
I think I said this on your poll post, but those that complain about burning out barrels don’t burn out barrels
That's because we shoot 308..:).
@@rosswitte sounds like you miss a lot lol
Pure gold and fact based 👌
Found out just yesterday evening my GAP 6MM Creedmoor’s barrel is toasted and needs replacing. Something you didn’t comment on was the TIME it takes to obtain a new quality barrel. It may take as much as a year just to obtain the blank, not to mention how long it will take to get it installed.
I never want to win the Lottery because I don’t want to pay the taxes 😂
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I can get a match grade barrel completely spun up at my custom shop for about $1k….thats the cheapest part of shooting any decent ammo in any rifle cartridge these days. I 100% agree.
I've shot out a 6.5 barrel and Daniel Defense took care of me no problem. Can't say enough good things about the DD guys and their support.
How much did they charge you
DD is a great company and they stand behind their products. I’ve seen their rifles, especially their ar-10’ s shoot extremely accurate.
Well you already paid for three more up front so....
Haha. You are 100% correct. Thats why “saving” money buying a button rifled barrel isn’t really saving money. Cut rifled only. Cleans better. Lasts longer and typically will shoot better
This. My exact comment on the last one. Barrel life isn’t a huge deal if you don’t compete at a serious level
This is the truth about barrel life - if you can shoot it out you can replace it. However in the South African context there is the added pain of barrel replacement: higher cost of barrels and the dreaded licensing nightmare. That in turn does factor in with barrel lifetime, at least for saffers.
Reloading relaxes me, I reload 5.56 which is about break even to reload or buy new..still do it for fun and relaxation..only rounds it’s actually cheaper to RL are more expensive cartridges
Primers use to be 3.00 dollars a 100 and know there crazy high and hard to get large rifle primers
I have shot out two barrels, one 7mm rem mag the other 223Rem. Both only fed hand loads ,1200 rounds for the 7mm and just over 5000 for the 223. Gunsmith for the 7mm and rebarreled the 223 myself.
My head tells me 7PRC in a 20' barrel
Great video. I personally believe that if a person who wants to be successful in competition shooting or hunting and is serious about the sport, doesn't care about barrel life etc.. For me personally reloading is very enjoyable and the main reasons that I reload is for precision, saving money while reloading is just a added bonus in my book.
You just gave all the reasons why so many people stopped shooting completely.
Here in Sweden it looks like the ammo for 6.5 Creedmoor would be around 40$ for a box of 20, some inexpensive brands a little bit less like S&B and more expensive brands like Norma a little bit more. I don't own a 6.5 Creedmoor but I'm thinking of buying one. I also think that here the 6.5x55 is so common that the Creedmoor is not very sought after since the ammo for the 6.5x55 is much less expensive (about 40% less or so).
I was looking at replacing the 7mm Rem Mag barrel on my Weatherby Vanguard that I purchased in 1992 and has about 2500 rounds through it I realized that I could get a new stainless Tikka with a synthetic stock which would be better for hunting the mountains of Idaho for just a couple hundred more. The accuracy has dropped but it still groups 1.25" - 1.5" three shot groups at 100 yards and when new it would often turn in 1" three shot groups at 200 yards with 150 gr basic Federal factory ammo. That same ammo at 100 yards was 0.7" - 0.9" which I could never figure out. At the same time I got 4-5" 100 yard groups with PMC 150 gr factory ammo. So I am going to keep my Vanguard as is and get a new Tikka.
You can never go wrong with a tikka. They're soooo good.
I feel I made a mistaken calculation with .308 in favor of 6.5. Not concerned so much with the barrel life but felt that factory ammo would be easier to source and less expensive 7.62 nato ammo could be used for target practice. I learned that although less expensive bulk ammo could be sourced it doesn’t provide enough accuracy to really bother with and the higher quality factory ammo is about the same price as CM. Now that the 6.5 has become common it’s also readily available. Basically sacrificing the better trajectory for no benefit.
I’m surprised 83% of your audience were honest about shooting out a barrel. Seems to me that most people that worry about barrel life are too busy worrying and not busy enough shooting.
Ammo is always the most expensive component especially in the aggregate over time..even a 22lr if you shoot it enough, which is easy..get into specialty cartridges and it’s off the charts..
Well presented, makes sense
If you think shooting 6.5 creed is expensive, try reloading and shooting 300 Win Mag regularly.
1500-1800 rounds of peak accuracy barrel life... Bergers are in the $.65 +/- each... Lapua brass... Powder charges of 65 to 85 gr depending on brand/burn rate... And large rifle magnum primers that run $100-$120 per 1000 when you can get them.
I finally went to a Savage/Remage barrel nut configuration to allow for barrel changes at home. Gotta save some scratch somehow.
I can't imagine what the CT and BMG shooters are spending.
I built an AR with a white oak armament barrel and looking at another barrel because they are awesome. I cant wait to see how many rounds i can get out of it.
There really isn’t a cartridge that I can think of where the barrel cost is more expensive than the cost of the ammo to shoot the barrel out (except maybe 22 EargeSchpliten Loudenboomer where the barrel life is probably 10 rounds). Even something like 6mm Creed where you might get 1000 rounds out of it. You’re still spending more on the cartridges (or brass, bullets and powder) than it’ll cost to replace the barrel. It’s just part of the process.
At the rate I use my Creedmoor, I’ll probably have to replace my first barrel in 5-7 more years. It’s not going to be the end of the world by any means and will be something I start budgeting for before we get there.
Thanks for the insight on barrel replacement cost. Having said that, did you get a 338 LM yet?
People who shoot out barrels reload. People who choose the newest hot rod like 22 creed also probably reload. The bad part of short barrel life is going through load development more than the price of a new barrel.
Great channel. The videos are great.
Can we get a bullet vs twist rate video showing how fast & slow twist rates effect light vs heavy bullets
People say it’s cheaper to reload but never factor in the price of reloading equipment etc
Still cheaper... In his example of it costing $4,300 more to shoot factory vs reloading, say you take 1k off of that to put it into your reloading equipment. You're still saving $3,300 by loading it vs buying it.
Shot out a 300 RUM barrel around 1000 rounds. Crap barrel. New lilja barrel installed $1000... That being said, at that time. 300 RUM was averaging about $3.50 a round. I was performing load development for most of the barrel life unfortunately, but my hand loads were over $5 each. That's 5 grand in ammo. 90% of people I know haven't spent 5k on ammo in their entire life. But they will still make the "barrel life" argument.
I don't worry about barrel life!
In my case, shooting out a barrel and my son's inheritance is what I worry about. I want him to get my rifles with plenty of life left in them. But I do have a few that I know there is a chance I could shoot out a barrel possibly.
It's the lathe and mill
My 147 grain projectiles are measure=red with my load at 2660fps. I’m not that worried, I doubt I’ll ever shoot it out.
My friend said he won't get a 6.5cm over a .308 because the barrel life sucks. Even if the barrel life were only 1200 rounds. He would literally never replace it 😂😂.
I tried to tell him I've seen multiple people take their 6.5s to 5 or 6000 rounds and is still as accurate as the day they bought it. I told him he actually has to shoot to need a new barrel 😂
8.6 Blackout with supers - NO ONE wants to touch the barrel life question. (1:3 Twist)
I think a fun question is how many bullets and how much will it cost to shoot out a .22lr if i had to guess i would say that the price for the bullets will be more than the 6.5 creed in this video ...cool stuff 👍
Baie goeie vid Piet! Probleem in SA is dat dit vrek lank neem net om 'n goeie loop in te voer...of in SA te koop! You'll know!
I have done a very similar exercise when I started reloading on my 6.5CM, added in my time at R1000/hr and all my initial cost of all my reloading equipment (which is NOT the R35k Area 419 press!)...using the '10x use' -principle per case...well...in short...I'll need to shoot almost 9000 rounds just to break even buying helluva expensive factory ammo! And, that without the accuracy I could extract from a relative cheap set-up.
So, at 9000 rounds, and approx 1000 rounds/year...what you think...I'll go through min 4 barrels? Best part, once I change barrels, the load dev process starts again!
So ja beslis 'n geval van: koop 'n Cruizer, maar onthou die petrol rekening!
Hi Pieter
Wanneer maak julle weer van die swart reloading trays?
Lets say the things clear. To choose a catridge ask this questions to you 1. ¿Does it worth the performance for that barrel life? ¿Viceversa? ¿How available in overall(as factory or for reload) is it the catridge? ¿How difficult are your gunlaws?. Take a beer and think that questions instead to think in a war between performance vs barrel life
$200.00 Canadian for 1000 ‘budget’ primers….IF you can find them!
Shot out for me is when the BC variability means you start missing at longer ranges. I have a 308 that consistently prints little .25 MOA groups at 100m but I cannot hit a 2 MOA gong at a thousand yards due to vertical stringing. Whats the SD I hear you ask? A mere 5ft/sec. That barrel has 6000+ shots on it. I can still hunt with it to 300m and I do, but fun gong shoots to longer ranges is no longer fun anymore. For that I have a .284win that absolutely hammers all day long.
Consistently shoots .25 moa groups. SD of less than 5fps. Can't hit a 20" target at 1000yds and blames it on the gun? hmm...
Nice clock
i can't afford to shoot a barrel out in any length of time it would matter
If your only excuse is barrel life, you're not serious enough for it to matter.
Cerakote video?
What does that rifle on the table weigh? As is with optic and suppressor. Thank you!
What are your thoughts on the Howa 1500 action and barrel? I’ve seen all your Howa .300 PRC build videos and I’m intrigued, seems you like Howa actions on a few of your builds. However, I hear that the barrel threads are 1/2x28” which concerns me for long-term use and running a can on the end.
What is one looking at pice-wise for a replacement barrel. Must be a lot of various product in different prices. Just wondering?
great argument
Looks like YT deleted my previous comment? Shooting a barrel burner can be exponentially more expensive to shoot and people who aren’t shooting out barrels don’t benefit from them.
The Ferrari is a great example. Being wealthy enough to own a Ferrari is one thing. Being wealthy enough to track one is another. Most people will get more track time with a cheaper car and be better for it.
The rise in cost to shot is also a great back door gun control tool for.countries.that want public disarmament
What i see mostly is people are followers not leaders and they just repeat what they see online and not actually shoot out a barrel themselves
Awesome!
I need some opinions here. So I'm considering the Uintah Precision UPR10 upper for an AR-10. It's a 6.5 load 26" stainless barrel, and my main goal is to just get into long-range shooting, I don't have much of a background. should I consider the carbon fiber wrap or stick to stainless? based on experience, what is the life span of the barrel? I'm planning on putting a good 50 rounds or less downrange per month.
Which type of arbor press are you using?
This could have been a 30 second video.
I'll never buy a 6.5 because it has short barrel life 😅. They even spelt it Creedmore....
If I dont care about burning out barrels then Im going to a better round than 6.5
Dit is baie sad dat dit so duur is. My club se participation het way off gedrop. Mense het nie geld vir club skiet meer nie.
No just alot of people running their mouth without first hand experience.
Please defend your barrel life round count claims with both data and real life anecdotes.
Wierd logic. Totally millennial. I'd only worry about short barrel life in cartridges like 220 swift,264 rem mag etc which can ruin barrels in 300 rounds. Most people will not normally shoot more than a 1000 rounds from a bolt gun in their life. I've been able to shoot because of reloading.
please make a video on barrel changing in SA
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