The PROBLEM at CRIB GOCH? *Viewer Discretion*
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Might be too late for you to see this Jack but I need to say this. I have used videos of people walking trails and tracks so that I am aware of the conditions of the track and the route it takes. This has meant I’ve been able to walk those tracks more safely and enjoy them more.
Recently I was block a track off during a council track closure in Tasmania when a Scotsman came up the hill and we struck up a conversation where he talked about climbing Crib Goch, thanks to you I was able to have an engaging conversation with him about the mountain
@@madcatlover7554 That's awesome thanks for letting me know! Pretty cool that a guy in Tasmania was referencing one of my videos i love that :D
@@jackasnacks My bad, I was the one referencing your video, the guy was a scotsman and proud of it wear a kilt and regalia, he was talking about when he climbed Crib Goch which I only know of because of you
RUclipsrs aren’t the problem, people need to take responsibility for their own actions. I think your videos are spot on in terms of educating your viewers. I like climbing munro’s, in the early days I’d pick a route and attempt it, I soon found out that I’d need to read up about the routes first in order to fully prepare myself and on a couple occasions choose another route as I felt I didn’t really have the proper experience and/ or equipment. I’ve even turned back on a couple of occasions, bad weather set in or I wasn’t feeling a particularly difficult scramble. People want to be seen doing the likes of Crib Goch (doesn’t float my boat tbh), they’ll want it for their social media, that’s fair enough but they aren’t your responsibility. I value your content, don’t be put off.
Ps. I watched this video of the Crib Goch accident when he first uploaded it. After watching it I really started to take a first aid/survival kit seriously, I even take a bit of kit when mountain biking now. I hope more people see that video on the back of this.
Nice one Jonathan really appreciate your words. I love uploading this stuff but sometimes if a video gets more views the negative comments come in and they can be hard to ignore. Your comment means more than you might think, keep the positivty going mate
@@jackasnacks also remember that every time a comment gets a like, there is someone else who agrees and would say the same. It would be easy to miss how the numbers of encouragement might add up when compared to all the different bashes... I don't think you have anything to apologize for, I applaud your courage to open this door (as well as climbing crib ) Head up and rock on.
I think that's what gun owners say in America, its not their problem, its down to responsibility and all that. In fact we know its nuanced. People need to take responsibility including youtubers.
@@katywalczak9839 Nicely said!
Thanks so much for posting this. I am definitely going to do a first aid course and make better choices after watching this.
Having done the crib with my son, I can fully understand how dangerous it is. We have done Snowden a few times and wanted to try the crib.
We waited for the perfect day on the forecast, got up at 4am and traveled the 2hrs to get there.
That was my only condition I had with my son, I’ve seen people going up there when we were on the pyg path, and I would only ever attempt it in Perfect weather. It’s a serious route and commands respect.
Keep your videos coming you are not the problem, you are opening peoples eyes to what’s out there thank you 😊👌👍🏼
So you’ve ‘done’ Snowdon ‘a few times’ and don’t know it’s spelled ‘Snowdon’??? Right.
I mean crib goch is a doddle
@@Systematicsphere spelling is probably the most important skill when climbing a mountain.
@@richardschofield2201 totally
Hello mate, I enjoy all this stuff too. My channel features videos of Crib Goch, Striding Edge, Tryfan and lots more. But I too have witnessed it go badly wrong. Last summer I was climbing Ordinary Route on Idwal Slabs, Snowdonia with my then 17 year old son. We were nearly at the top when an extremely confident soloist practically strolled past us! (we were roped). We looked on in awe and beckoned him past and commented that he had some balls to do this without ropes, to which he replied not to worry as he did this for a living. Seemed like a really nice guy, not cocky, just clearly very confident in what he was doing. We got to the top and moved across the plateau to begin stage 2 of our day out, Cneifion Arete, a Grade 3 scramble which summits at the top of Y Gribin, I'm sure you know it, it's a popular route. We stopped on a big rock about halfway across the plateau for a drink and a bite and that's when I spotted what looked like a pack near the base of Cneifion Arete. My heart immediately sank as I imagined the worse case scenario. As we moved towards it, soon another shape came into view lower down the slope and as I got close I realised it was the mangled body of the guy who had passed us. His name was Tom Furey, a well respected, highly experienced and much loved local guide. He had fallen from near the top. No-one really knows what went wrong, but my own thoughts are, it had begun to drizzle shortly after he passed us and in my experience that is the worst time, the rocks get damp and the grease forms a deadly slippery surface...after it's rained for a while the grease washes off to a degree but in light drizzle I've often found conditions to be the worst. I suspect he just lost his footing at the top and with no rope or anyone to arrest his fall he tumbled to the bottom. If you've ever done Cneifion Arete you will be able to imagine how devastating such a fall would be. I think about him often and whilst it will never stop me doing the things I love, it's a painful reminder that the mountains are lethal places and no matter how experienced you are, things can and will go wrong. All you can do is minimise the chances of that happening by being adequately prepared and following all reasonable precautions. RIP Tom. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/heartbroken-fiance-pays-tribute-instructor-27218579
that's horrific, but hopefully his death might stop a few people from being so risky in their climbs. that is the only possibly positive thing to come out of such a tragedy, but people have short memories 😞
I love Central Australia. People die in our heat often. Lots of them are forewarned. I grew up in hot, so you’d think I’d be safe, but sometimes it nearly gets me. We all make decisions, have accidents, take risks.
You mate, are a gem. A poster of interesting landscapes. An inspiration to explore and learn in life always.
And in my opinion you are lovely. You can’t pick your audience.you can’t make people think or act like you. You are part of the problem, the solution, the miracle of life, the song of the universe as are we all. You are you.❤ Thank you so much for opening your part of the world to me through your open 💜 brave heart.
Thank you for being so kind Martha! Love that you enjoy watching the videos i remember seeing your name a few times! My Mum and Dad read these comments so i'm sure they'll love reading this one :)
A guy who lives at Furnace Creek in Death Valley (the official hottest place on Earth) told me of his own close calls while rescuing tourists. He said 'It's the strongest swimmers who drown most often'.
I watched that video of Ed's fall a while back and it had such an impact on me. I am so mindful of sticking to pathways and ensuring i have enough first aid kit with me. A lot of these RUclips videos give a more real visual of paths than a book or website ever could. Appreciate your content being very honest about all aspects and I think you make it abundantly clear that these are no easy feats.
Which video is this please?
Brave Dave @@ikonuk
I've done C.G. many times, both for fun, and as part of military training, also, for a while, been a member of a Mountain Rescue team. What frequently has shocked me is what people wear, and carry. It's obvious that they are completely unprepared, with totally inappropriate clothing, and perhaps a tiny daysack, indicative of an absence of equipment. These places are absolutely wonderful, but they can, in an instant, turn to hell. I once was lucky to survive a situation on, of all places, Heather Terrace ! You just never know.
I did Crib goch on my 40th birthday, first time up Snowdon. I did weeks of research before hand on what to carry with me and what footwear to use and checked the weather before I set off on the 3hr drive at 4am. Making those preparations ensured I had a fantastic day out and came home safely.
Brilliantly editted Jack, in terms of your channel you do provide a really balanced approach and point out the risks involved. This can only benefit the viewers. Beautifully documented and you got across the key messages really well. Big thumbs up from me 👍
Really appreciate it mate thanks a lot for letting me know 😊
Excellent video. I'm 66, and had plenty of years experience walking the fells. People are the problem who do not dress for the correct weather, do not study the route properly and note escape routes. Many many times seen folk inappropriately dressed. Well done for the video.
Thank you! Yeah, the amount of times i've seen groups of people mainly younger just aimlessly walking heading towards one of these ridges and don't even have a bag on their back! Its really strange seeing someone without a bag in the mountains but it happens!
I’ve seen people hike rocky trails in flip flops. The weather in the mountains can turn on a dime. I started out in hot sunny weather in the Sierra Nevadas only to be drenched by hail with a big drop in temp 30 minutes later. Also, if it starts snowing your trail might disappear altogether. So. Turn around sooner rather than later!
I would say us old timers tend to be more careful, we know the risks and know our own limitations, you might see me out in shorts and T shirt, but I will have warm and waterproof clothing in my pack.
‘Look well to each step, and remember naught without prudence and remember that each step may be your last’
When I started Climbing etc 40 years ago this quote by Edward Whymper was known by everyone in the hills. I suspect there is no sense of that historical wisdom that was always part of the pursuit back then.
As for this example, so a guide but bendy boots, no crampons or ice axes in sight, no rope - this is mountaineering 101 stuff. Crib Goch may be a scramble in summer but as soon as snow hits it is mountaineering. Accidents happen but like your dad say make good choices and this includes skills, gear and a wise head.
To throw another saying that resonated when I was starting out
‘There are old climbers and there are bold climbers, but there no old bold climbers’
I live on the edge of the Yorkshire Dales. I’ve always loved walking and hiking in the dales, lakes and the southwest (uni years). But I know there are some places I won’t go, and some walks I won’t do alone, and some I won’t do based on weather conditions. This is from experience - knowing my confidence, fitness and ability levels on any given day.
The landscapes we love and live in are tens of thousands of years old, are well documented in many media forms. We don’t blame you, in the same way we don’t blame wainwright, or any one else who documents these amazing places.
We may say that responsibility lies with each individual to be fully aware and prepared, but we teach our children how to cross the road safely, and I learned a lot from hiking as a child following my parents up mountains in the lakes….but who’s teaching those who don’t know how to be safe and have no one to learn from?
The problem is that people are not seeing the difference between entertainment and education. The entertaining content may inspire many, the safety-laden educational content will, less so. As such, I think videos like this, from creators like yourself are a good step in the right direction.
I’ve often put myself right out at the edge of the highest risks, I always erred on the side of caution, but twice whilst kayaking I got it wrong, but struck lucky. We have to push our boundaries and carry out our own DORA based on our knowledge and skills. Could I blame others for my near misses? No, I chose to do it for the rush that it gave me. Great video Jack.
Fantastic video! I hope your friend made a quick recovery, thank you for the transparency
My first ever mountain was Ben Lomond in Scotland, regarded as easy. It was brutal for me, that was a wake up call that I am not physically ready for things like Crib Goch. Accept your limitations or improve your skill, fitness and equipment
Ben Lomond is a piece of piss compared to Crib Goch. Even then, when I climbed it (Ben Lomond) on Christmas Eve a couple of years ago, found myself walking on the snow a couple of feet away from the sheer drop near the top, possibly on overhanging snow. I only realised, when my mate, who was about 30 feet behind me, shouted at me. Did Crib Goch twice, both times in summer, picking the day to ensure the weather would be as good as possible. I wouldn't touch it with a 20 foot pole in wind and rain. People, who'd only seen mountains on pictures, and go up in shite weather, only have themselves to blame.
If someone bases their decision to attempt something dangerous on a RUclips video, their eventual demise is inevitable.
Cheers Mike appreciate it!
Where else?
BS. In the past it would be newspapers, TV, or oral word. Whats the difference?
Yeah and the first people to attempt it didn't even have that. Much better to be informed
I feel attacked lol
I adore your videos Jack. They’re informative entertaining and inspiring. But I know my limits and happy to watch people do the things I can’t. You present the beautiful scenery you adore with dignity and charm. Walk on with pride dude ✌🏽💚🤘🏽
Very well done and thoughtful, cheers from British Columbia.
I have climbed in summer and winter and ski toured here in western canada and have camped in temps down to -40c but the worst weather conditions i have ever come across were on pen y fan in january 1981 during sas selection. I have never been so wet and cold. I also spent 27 years as a park ranger and never saw weather as bad as wales.
I once ended up walking in a white out in Snowdonia. I could barely see my feet, let alone the terrain ahead. I totally relied on my compass.
People write it off way too much
@@malcolmabram2957What you are describing is low visibility not white out. You only get true white out in full winter conditions. What really defines it is that you can’t tell ground from sky. First time I came across it was topping out from a grade II on The Mess of Potage in Corrie an Schnecter (sp?) on Cairngorm. I could see about 7-8 meters but I couldn’t see the edge of the cornice I had just crossed 2m away and the only way I knew where it was was the rope dropping over the edge. Given that the descent was to follow a corniced edge round into Corrie Cas that was scary. In the end we went to the summit and dropped into the Corrie from there. In true white out you can fall over an edge that you couldn’t see when putting your foot over it.
@@davidwright7193 Thank you for your reply. I was on Snowdon in winter conditions. I have climbed all the Munro peaks in Scotland, and the only other time I experienced a 'complete' white out was just south of Cairn Toul in the Cairngorms. It is scary. Totally relied on map and compass.
Hi Jack, awesome video, you are not the problem, it's inexperienced people not doing thier homework, not dressing properly and the big one climbing beyond thier ability.
I love going out on the mountains, however, its knowing what to do when it all starts going wrong, and yes I can tell you the epic story when things don't go to plan. Keep the video's coming.
I have a lot of bouldering experience and do a lot of trail walking. I recently attempted crib Goch only after carefully researching the entire route on the uk scramble website and even then when you go for the first time it never quite looks the same . Some parts especially navigating up the bad step and climbing over one of the pinnacles did I feel a little uneasy and I made sure it was a clear sunny day ALL DAY. I have been in the mountains when the weather turns in an instant and can throw you off you your concentration. Both times I have took this route I have seen groups backing out because they were not prepared (which is very sensible) . It is true a lot of people just want to accomplish the hard route not training or researching properly. I hope this video gets shared more to prevent more accidents. Well made thanks for sharing.
When I was a child, we got caught in a squall on the top of a small hill just above Rhayader in Mid Wales. The wind and rain quickly whipped up sheets of green slime that was extremely slippery. It was so slippery that none of us could stand upright and we had to slide on our bottoms all the way back down the hill, right through thistles and whatever was in our path. This slime looked like sea foam except that it was very green in color. In hindsight I believe that it was the high wind via the bernoulli effect was sucking a considerable amount of slippery algae up from beneath the surface of the grass.
When I was on Scout camp at 14, one of the leaders took a group of us up Crib Goch and along the ridge to the summit of Snowdon. None of us, including the leader, had any climbing experience. We loved the experience. The leader was an idiot.
Keep up the great work.. Just found you. Will be staying. please be safe out there and keep filming
If anything. RUclips videos like this STOP me from going and doing things beyond my capabilities. I love adventure videos like mountain climbing and mine exploration, but I know I don't have the knowledge, skills or courage to do it. So I'm content to sit home and watch those people who know what they're doing get on with it, enabling me to experience things I never could (or should try) in person.
You, of all people, aren't the problem, nor are guys like Dave. Keep up the good work and content!
Thank you for a thoughtful video. When I lived in the UK many years ago I worked with people who loved doing this sort of stuff. It’s not for me and never has been. However, I really enjoy your videos. I think that you are right, you need to be prepared, take the right clothes, food, etc. and keep within your limits. All the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
I just climbed Crib, it was tough and thankfully I had a sensible guide. I can easily imagine someone getting in trouble with the route, this being a perfect demonstration!
This is an excellent, measured and intelligent film
Thank you for posting
thanks David!
Very Good video Jack,I have just returned from Albania and traveled with 14 people during the heat way that hit the Mediterranean this summer one of the hikes we did was on a very hot day part way through I said I will stay back as I had run out of energy and relax in the shad a hour later 2 of our group had to be rescued they had push them selves to far and they were younger them me and I am 70
First thing I noticed was that nobody shown in these videos is wearing a helmet. Note the statement by Dave about being surprised that the casualty is conscious. That statement means he KNOWS the risks but has not taken the next step and mitigated the risk by mandating appropriate PPE.
Helmets mostly only protect from overhead falling rocks, Dave’s person was INCREDIBLY lucky to suvive that, most injury’s would be to neck and limbs most of the time, which a helmet would not help with. The benifits gained by use of helmets when hiking a mountain simply do not outway the extra hassle, and may even create a larger danger of strangling if it were improperly fitted.
And sorry to comment again but after watching Dave’s video, the people he was with were not a group guided by him, but randoms him and his mate met whilst coming down off the mountain
Good to share. I used to live in the area and the ability of Crib Goch to turn super grim has to be seen to be believed. So a helpful video! To say, before a descent for bad weather, reminding each other that descents are pretty dangerous is always a good idea: snacks and a brew always good pre decent prep ;)
Good film and well done! I run many ridges in all weathers and always say “dangerous” and I’m a professional but still anything can happen and always have back up plans!
My son, myself, and my dog chose our Snowdon route on the basis of You Tuber's videos. I found them unbelievably helpful. I wanted something not too dangerous, but not too boring. So, Crib Goch was out of the question! Rhyd Du looked good, but I didn't want the risk of a fall down the ledge... so we chose Pyg up and Miners down, which was good. But I think that MORE information would have been helpful... for example, a large dog (german shepherd) might be more capable going up, but lifting a 41 kilo dog up some of the tricky parts isn't as easy as picking up a spaniel, for example.
It's worth saying that if it weren't for You Tube, we might have thought, "Crib sounds fun"... thank God for You Tube!
Good video.We are going to snowdon in April. i am now going on the railway based on your content😂😂 cheers bud
Hi Jack, That was a really thoughtful video and very well presented. I watched it twice and had a look at Brave Dave's original video as well, I'm glad to see that he survived the accident, I hope now a couple of years on he's fully recovered. A big well done to the moutain rescue group
I've read all of the comments posted so far and just to add my support as well. Your channel is nothing but positive and inspires people to get up and do something. You are in no way responsable for what happens or has happened to others. Don't read too much into those comments indicating that you are the problem. One of the best parts of RUclips is the comments section you will often find lots of interesting anecdotes, additional info and a great deal of support.
These things happen in most places, down here we are no different, all you can do is prepare yourself as much as possible, and as you said make good choices.
Great video Jack, well done and good luck from Spain!!
I’m fascinated by crib goch and in awe of the people that do it and love the beautiful videos and photography that RUclipsrs share and I love mountain climbing but I know that I wouldn’t want to take the risk myself. Some people do. We all have different riskometers.
I think it’s important to provide a balanced view so people can make their own decisions. The brave Dave video I watched and is the distressing reality of what happens when it does go wrong. That man was lucky to escape with his life after suffering serious injuries. People should be aware of what they’re getting themselves into
When I was young I was so eager to climb these routes, to tick them off so I could tell people I had done them, but doing so the magic of being in the mountains surpasses the appetite to put oneself in risky situations for the honour of completing these routes. I eventually became a competent climber and a mountain guide. It doesn’t matter if your reasoning behind your adventures is superficial to start with, most will grow to love and respect the mountains. The real problem is a growing population means more people on the mountains and inevitably inexperienced climbers in potentially hazardous situations, there’s no way to mitigate that. You can educate people through RUclips videos I suppose. I like the way you approach your videos, I loved the Strid series, I used to hop around those rocks when I was a kid, totally oblivious to the danger. It still makes me shudder when I think about it.
Great topic for a video, thanks for posting. Experience is gained when conditions are tough, and the trouble with being a novice is you’ve yet to learn about consequences.
Checking the weather forecast is a surprisingly obvious risk mitigation that gets missed/ignored a lot during incidents.
These days I do a mental check in risk factors before setting off, am I ready for rain, is it technical, am I alone, will the route be partially at night, extreme temperatures, access to water, animals, appropriate turnaround time.
Weather/accidents are the 2 big variables that need to have been considered, hence travelling alone it’s not ok if there’s any risk of accident. Likewise rain/fresh snow and exposed rock is a very bad combination.
Thanks guys :)
Good too see you back Jack and I really enjoyed the video , keep doing what you love but be careful.
Sorry to see the other man's misshap in Dave's video, I hope he is ok and thanks for sharing once again.
I hope you are well Jack ?
When you inspire a chrysalis to become a butterfly you must allow time from the wings to unfold and stiffen.But all caterpillars want to fly. Some will fall and this is a sadness, but a greater sorrow it would be if they had never known that there is more to life than munching leaves. ❤
You are doing a great service and your videos are a well balanced mix of joy and caution.
Keep up the good work🎉
Love that David!
wow. that was well put and beautifully so
Couldn't put it better.
Well said ,last year we went up the miners path , some hairy moments , as bad weather, and nearly came down a different path !! Scary
Great vid …we make our own destiny, if things turn out wrong , it’s only ourselves that we can blame.
Everyone should know the risks and dangers. Many years ago when I first got in to hiking the mountains I took my two boys and my two brother in laws up the North face of Tryfan, it was a crazy move as I was totaly inexperienced, no one got hurt but it was very scary. So I feel these youtube videos are very inspirational but also give information on the dangers. Keep up the good work
The scramble there is spectacular but definitely not for beginners!!
There's a lot more casual walkers who are underestimating the routes they are taking on. Ive seen people on Crib Goch regularly in Converse trainers and jeans. some see the mountains like they see an amusement park.
I know it must be difficult when you get negative posts saying you’re the problem but some people just want to be negative. Your channel and your enthusiasm are an inspiration not just for hiking but living life in general, when I’m feeling down I put your videos on just to make myself feel better by watching a positive influence. You are not the problem you are the solution in a negative world
Love this comment! Thank you Hello?!
Credit to both you and Dave. Social media isn’t going away. I think as a community it could be beneficial purely for people to pop Dave’s link in the videos where people see the dangers being ignored. My favourite question as a WFR “would you know what to do if the mist rolls in?” If not you probably shouldn’t be there
In good weather Crib Goch is a relatively straight forward route, in poor weather it is a different beast all together, stay safe everyone ❤
These videos are a great help and not the problem. The problem is people don't bother to do their research first and check to see if they're really cut out for it.
One of my best days up a mountain was crib goch in snow, following crampon prints in the snow.
I went up Snowdon in heavy snow and ice one winter, requiring strap on crampons as a minimum. I saw a guy slip sliding down holding his crash helmet and wearing a leather bomber jacket and trainers. Some of the slides he took were completely blind where he was just lucky it was not cutting the corner of the zigzag track where some had parts where off the edge is a 30-60ft shear drop to rock.
Great video Jack. I’m sure RUclips has played a big part in attracting more people to the countryside and more specifically to our mountains, but on the whole that’s probably not such a bad thing. Your content is always thoughtful and I can tell you are mindful to make viewers very aware of the risks involved. Most of the content I watch on RUclips is created in a way that explains the risks involved with these places, but I suppose they will inevitably plant a seed of curiosity with some viewers who will take on challenges outside their ability and experience. The debate is a tricky one but I suspect you are actually part of the solution Jack; keep up the good work.
Cheers Jon! I'm sure i will continue to film my explorations as the vast majority is very positive, but the negative does weigh me down at times. I'm only human and the internet forgets that sometimes!
Years ago I was coming down from Mam Tor in wet, windy and slippery conditions, whilst it's no where near as dangerous the speed I picked up and the distance I slid was quite alarming. Fortunately there wasn't the potential go off a big drop or hit rocks but it did highlight the potential dangers when out hillwalking in wet and windy conditions.
I love your videos!
Used to walk my sheepdog along that ridge. If you can ignore the exposure, the very top edge is a broad, gently sloped path with the odd bit of scrambling. Met many terrified people who shouldn’t have been there, pity as all they’d just set out to do was have an adventure.
That's why you always stick to the path especially in bad weather
I would love to walk along this on a lovely summer day, but that involves a large amount of training and planning people who don’t do that are asking for trouble
Far to many people have no respect for mountains, and this can lead to so many bad things happening, its not content creators that's the problem, it's people thinking mountains are some kind of theme park and not understanding the real danger up there.
Not just mountains. But any woods, fields, veldt. People forget nature doesn't play around!
You need to respect it and be fit and prepared or else you will become a corpse.
There is a reason why so many stories from our ancestors can be boiled down to: Dont fck with nature
Your Dad talks a lot of sense. I tell my children the same. Great video.
Really interesting question. To make a comparison, should we blame car adverts for road deaths? I was up cader idris last week in blistering heat and was shocked at how casually dressed a number of walkers were. Maybe they were just very capable and confident, maybe not. To return to adverts and marketing "adventure" is used as a symbol for a lifestyle choice e.g. "buy Nike, Adidas or whatever and you'll become an adventurer, a true outdoors person".....people want to experience things because they're sold the idea that the experience gives them a badge, a sort of social brand. I therefore think that those who blame youtube vids for increased outdoor accidents are rather limiting their target. It's a much wider, societal thing. And, in the UK at least, we don't really teach outdoor skills to any degree other than in private schools where they have the time and the money.
Ta jim
Been in a similar situation near Cautley Spout - sudden weather change and wet slippery steep grass - couldn't get anyone else to take it seriously until someone slipped, fortunately was just minor cuts and grazes but could have been much worse with the drops there.
Yeah me too Rroff, i've had one of those slips where i had to check and have a word with myself. Once you've felt your weight come out from under you, you think twice about every step up there.
I've been hiking over 30 years in beautiful wild places. What I am going to say is not that popular but I think we had a discussion before about another video context and we had some points we agreed on. Here I go. I think a lot of the stuff is narcissistic and is ethically dubious. It is beginning to amount to digital litter that breaks the code of leave no trace. Social media has a particular effect that has to be considered. A lot of people who make RUclips videos don't really want to face upto this and self rationalise about it. Your question about safety is one aspect, I also worry about the impact on the environment and communities. Here is a real novel idea, what if we went to places, respected them and just took back memories. Hey, even more radical, what if we all agreed the opposite to the access-all-rights fashion and agreed some places should just be left alone. Currently we have people going places and pitching tents (just one example) in effect just to make a video. They then try to defend this as wild camping etc which bears no resemblance to need to wild camp on a long hike. One day I think people will realise this stuff is counterproductive, but it's likely to be too late. I'll wait for the abuse from some.
Hear, hear ! It's the era of show and tell, so some people are documenting to extreme, and as you say, faking it, just to please an audience. Dropping a lot of that shows integrity, and ultimately respects nature more.
I agree, everyone watched RUclips in lockdown and wanted to have a go at anything outdoors. Hiking and scrambling have now become cool things to do much at the expense of the original regulars. It doesn’t help having CG at the side of the tourist queue either. RUclips has its good points, otherwise we wouldn’t be on here.
This is a really good video. Any years ago when fitter - me and a mate would do some of the trickier routes - Crib Goch, Striding Edge, Bristley Ridge ( back end of Tryfen ) - for me not being good at heights it was a challenge. We didnt start with these routes we buikt up to them - we prepared, gained experience, bought kit - read route guide - in other words we researched and increased our knowledge. I have to say with tge accident video ( was it Daring Dave ) - anybody going onto a mountain and especially Crib Goch in high winds, mist ( and probably moisture/rain ) and not wearing walking pants and a good set of ankle supported boots is tbh a Knob. You are not giving yourself the best chance of completing the walk. A first aid kit is essential. Do a bit of Critical Thinking about what if scenarios - you could die - tge guy was lucky.
You keep making your videos, because it’s a window on the world to us homebound folk! When I was a nipper, I was taken up Striding Edge and Jack’s Rake....beautiful weather on both days but one third of the way along Striding Edge and we got socked in by thick cloud and a fair wind....not at all pleasant.
Part of the problem is that folk don’t go sufficiently prepared. Footware, clothing, rations and water. It might be red hot when you start in the valley but it can soon change....I know that you know this but maybe the video needs to start with those basics....Preparation and Planning....what’s the Mountain Rescue Number, is there Cell Phone Coverage on the Hill, does anyone know that you’re going up there, etc, etc....these things can’t be ignored, or glossed over and that incident up Crib Gough said it all!
I particularly enjoyed this video, because it was a damn good wake up call.....
Having been over Crib Goch half a dozen times what surprises me is how nobody mentions the tricky rock face at the start.
I have turned back due to high winds & wet conditions as they add another level of danger but when the weather is fine its a great route , just give it total respect .
bloody hell i used to love brave dave back in the day
Hi Jack, to me you're part of the solution, because having watched your videos of nature being very dangerous, I always think "I'm never doing that" (whereas before, I might have given it a try).
So scary did Crib yesterday and you have to respect these mountains!!
... it helps to get the weather forecast from RAF Valley ... ice axe is not just for snow ... 1st aid kit ... space blanket and emergency rations ... not so much use on snowdon but a 1:25,000 map is a must ... and a good silva compass ans a knowledge of how to use it ... signal flares and a torch with fresh batteries ....
Ice, snow and wet an ice axe is imperative. You can stop a slide instantly.
I’ve done Snowden 5 times and on the last climb I was adamant I would be doing Crib! Visibility less than 10ft wind was brutal and it was slippery due to the rain! We managed it but wouldn’t do it again in that sort of weather!
I did Crib Goch a few years back at age 65 not rushed or fast with safety in mind ,you have to know what to expect and have confidence in your abilities .Never set out on something you are over confident about ,this is recipe for disaster. Do not ever under estimate how the conditions can change around Yr Wyddfa ,having been caught myself and abandoned Cadair Idris due to weather change .If your not sure or confident of your abilities some scramblers suggest Blencathra in the lake district there are several knife edge routes not long but a good place to learn.
My parents, who were both climbers, tried to take me along Crib Goch when I was 12. I never forgave them! Since then, I have walked in many places in many countries, but I know my limits. Walking is my limit.
Flamin good vid and all over the world ppl are going to mountainous type areas. We have this walk called the Tongarero crossing. Ppl are always going there in casual clothes...the walk looks easy but it's in the mountains ppl! Yeah the weather in mountainous can change real fast
This is a very good video to many people due to socials keep being misslead thinking these places are a walk in the park
dave deserves a beer and a solid hug. that man was on top of shit when it went tits up and he helped his mate out in a very bad time of need. !
... i used to fo the Welsh 3000s every other year, in the spring before the grockles appeared ... start at Snowdon Summit at midnight and do all 10 peaks in 24 hours ... slept for a week after ....
Hate to break the news to you but there are 15 3000ft peaks
People don’t understand enough about wearing different footwear for different conditions. I live in snowdonia and hike extensively. The amount of times I see people in trainers or lightweight summer boots slipping about in wet winter conditions is unreal. There is a real trend in lightweight footwear in recent years but you don’t get the aggressive tread pattern and stability of a winter boot with a more rigid sole that is suited to U.K conditions. We don’t have the conditions for approach style footwear that you can get away with in Europe. The weather is not fully planned for in this accident and I suggest that they shouldn’t have gone or they should have been roped up. I think a general lack of experience shows here.
You're definitely not the problem. I'm a fit guy (kettlbells 3x a week and running, cycling) and I'd not heard of this route until today from Brave Dave's video. Definitely on my todo list now - looks amazing. Not in the snow though..
Great video, Jack, as always. I love your work! Keep doing what you are doing and be safe doing it! I always have a pack with some gear and first aid stuff. Bring extra food, water and some additional gear depending on the hike. Proper footwear is important on a hike. If poeple attempt these hikes without proper kit and some experience and preparedness, it's not your fault if things go pear shaped.
Keep showing us your world and share your thoughts...it is greatly appreciated!!
Cheers VK appreciate it 😊
Many thanks - 11/10 great vid.
Thanks Cloud 🙂
In my case your video made me decide I'm not going to do Crib Goch, there are plenty of other routes to choose from which are far more suited to how I would enjoy the mountains, so thanks for that You probably saved me a bad fall ! or at the least a bad case of vertigo. Certainly not a problem as far as I am concerned, Educational, thoughtful videos with great scenery and filming, and interesting commentaries. Keep up the good work🟢
I live on Anglesey and worked on Wyddfa/snowdon summit cafe renovation for months so I know what it's like up there.
I remember when you went the snow had melted a few days before and the forecast was settled, as mentioned I've spent months up there and can see the summit from my house, It clearly wasn't "safe" from the start of the footage the day they went.
But people also have the right to challenge themselves against the elements if they want to.
I do a lot of fishing and I would not be happy if there was some law stopped me going if conditions were bad, I accept the risk and if I die it's my fault, not the RUclipsr's fishing video I watched earlier.
There's so many deaths up there they're not even reported locally unless there's some complications like missing body or long search.
Now I mentioned I live on Anglesey because I would say tourism in North Wales has at least quadrupled in the last 20 or so years especially since covid so the amount of people in these danger zones has massively increased.
You may of seen on the news police towing hundreds of illegally parked cars in snowdonia at bank holidays.
In summary of long winded explanation, it's not your fault there's just far more people up there.
Keep doing what you do, showing a healthy adventurous enthusiastic approach to life 👍
I saw another channel a father with two girls 6 and 8 traversing the knife edge of crib goch. Anyone can see theres no ropes no nothing that saves a child from a misstep. It should be illegal for young people under legal drinking age to be up there. The father was imo wreckless but the community were all its so powerful, so brave, so wonderful. S$ITE!
Social media, in all its forms, is definitely leading to people attempting dangerous scrambles, climbs etc. without the experience or skills. I have no doubt about that.
There will always be an element of danger in adventure. People who share their experiences online create inspiration.
Making mistakes is an important part of growth.
We not only become better through our own mistakes but through others too.
It's up to the inspirer to point out their mistakes.
It's up to the inspired to ask the right questions before taking on the journey.
Keep on inspring bro😁
Absolutely awesome words Ron thanks for keeping me motivated your words truely do mean more than you think!
We need to ensure that if we make mistakes that we can survive the consequences. Training, experience, and equipment will tell in the end.
Keep up with your good work! You are caring, never leave out a warning, so that is all you can do. Many channels are in that "it's easy" mantra, they are the problem. Times have changed also over here in the alps, a Via Ferrata everywhere which allows people to flood the mountains. The same problem with E-Bikes, 90% of the bikers on the mountain trails couldn't do it with a normal bike. We have to accept that including losses and may find ways to avoid the crowd.
Having to book days ahead and pay £20 for parking at pen-y-pass doesn't help one's decision to come back another day if the weather isn't agreeable. 🤷
Dave is a fecking top bloke well done to Dave for quick thinking and not just freezing up
in hindsight, crib goch seemed safer than the slippy wet grassy escape route...?
This is really really good. Thanks!
Cheers John!
There is no risk free life. Experience is the best teacher. Part of personal growth is respecting the difference between ideas in your head and the reality of the world. They are different. Also, when and when NOT to give in to peer pressure. Best of all is futility. Sometimes it's better to give up. Don't be a deer in headlights. You're smarter than the deer.
Life is always a risk, every time you step out of your door, anything could happen.
All you can do is control what you can control the best way you can and take the responsibility and judgement that comes with it.
Everything else is just random events out of your control.
We will always have moments where we lapse and things go wrong, we’re not perfect. I recently had a prang with my car. Did I throw my arms up and find something/someone to blame? No, because it was my fault, I had the lapse in concentration, therefore ownership was on me and me alone.
I’ll watch a video of someone ascending Crib Goch, because I know it’s something I don’t want to risk doing, so I’ll enjoy watching someone more experienced than me go up there and enjoy it. Watching it, will reaffirm that, no matter how it’s presented. I’m logical enough to know that’s not a risk I want to take myself.
And here was me thinking about going up Snowdonia never been up one before and I don't think I'll be going up any time soon.
I’ve done crib goch 3 times and I’m no expert - I’m merely sensible, wear the right equipment, research the walk thoroughly beforehand and take my time doing it. Its dangers lie mainly in taking it on in bad weather. It’s also not for anyone who suffers with vertigo. As for the problem being the you tubers - well that is utter nonsense.
As a perfect example of how they are beneficial-this weekend gone I walked striding edge with my son. I researched the walk beforehand as I always do, including watching you tube videos. When doing the final stretch of striding edge we came to the infamous Bad Step section. I recalled from you tube that you reach a point where a tiny bit of climbing down is required. The advice was that taking the right side of bad step was death, to the left was ok, but to tackle it correctly you have to traverse it carefully backwards.
When my son and I reached this point, there was a small group of mixed middle aged couples, all looking perplexed as to how to get down. The apparent leader of this group was trying to persuade them to take the right fork (which even to my untrained eye looked the more dangerous). I explained to them the correct way to do it and proceeded to descend as shown in the you tube video. My son behind me heard one of the women in the group tell this man to listen to me as she said I seemed to know what I was talking about. All eventually descended safely and went on to the summit.
So for me, the moral of this story is, for any mountain walk, they MUST be taken seriously - and I advise anyone doing their essential pre-walk research to definitely use the you tube videos as the provide valuably insights as evidenced above.
So to all you sensible you tubers out there - ignore the naysayers as KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
I've done Crib Goch so many times. Summer, Winter, night time, in bad weather etc. You must be well equipped and in good shape. A calm summer traverse is ok, but bad weather makes it quite treacherous. I would not attempt in really high wind. I've met a few people who had frozen from fear on the ridge. People need to work their way up to the level of Crib Goch. It's not everyones cuppa tea.
The terrain is reminiscent of Cradle Mountain is Tasmania. Similar challenges too.
More people are heading to the mountains so by default the numbers of accidents and fatalities will increase. What I have noticed however is there seems to be an increase in people who are clearly under prepared, have a lack of knowledge and some of the rescue stories I hear are rather embarrassing.
Of course, particularly with graded scrambling as opposed to hiking, the risk increases and none of us are invincible as things can happen, so I’m not trying to be overly critical either.
I remember a few years ago, I was on top of Glyder Fach and the rain was pretty heavy. I heard a reasonably faint shout coming from somewhere below Bristly ridge or perhaps the southern side of Tryfan. I wasn’t 100% sure what it was, if anything. And I learned not long after that somebody had fallen that same day, which will always feel a little haunting.
Not really, what about the discovery channel! I find your videos are very informative and also tell the viewers of the risks, it's not just one for the gram so to speak! Keep up the good work!!
Did crib cogh yesterday with my 14 year old daughter. Wish I had watched your video before.
Done it, perfect weather conditions and surrounded by wonderful people made it possible.
Please do not do this route if on own and no previous experience, very windy or wet.
Glad we Done it, but probably won't do again 😂
All people are different to how they get that buzz from life very brave to do what you do it looks crazy to us that don't do it but we also understand why you do it 😊
haha cheers Ann well a lot of my family also think i'm a nutter but listening to silence whilst stood on a mountain looking for miles is something i don't think i will ever stop chasing.