If you look at Google maps, there’s not a lot of housing near that track. It wouldn’t surprise me that the people trying to get it closed down are people on the golf course next-door or would be people that own land around it that want to develop it and feel like the track would hurt them being able to sell lots and houses. I wonder if anyone looked into this angle?
@@plantfeeder6677- capitalists who own land around that track probably want to develop it and would get top dollar value just with the views and not the track. There’s a golf course there too. Currently there’s not that many houses anywhere near that track. It’s kind of in the middle of nowhere but close enough to beach and SanJose to be worth a lot. 😅
I say we organize street races through their neighborhood. They're driving us back out on the streets anyway seeing how race tracks and drag strips were built to stop kids from street racing in the first place.
Any hearing on this should go as follows: Judge: I just have one question for all of the plaintiffs. What was there first, the track or you and your house? Attorney for Plaintiffs: The track in all instances, Your Honor. Judge: Case dismissed. Plaintiffs are responsible for all legal expenses related to this colossal waste of time.
Except that's applying common sense to the problem and we're talking about a judge in the People's Repulik of Kalifornia. Unfortunately, the track doesn't stand a chance. Plus the track is owned by the county and they'll have some 2-bit traffic ticket lawyer defending them while the rich homeowners will have some slick mouthpiece.
Unfortunately it doesn't work like this. Many tracks have been shutdown for noise and of course. They were their first built-in the middle of nowhere until the house is came.
@@geniferteal4178 The developers should have responsibility here. They were well aware of the track, yet built there anyway. They should have had to disclose the track. Anyone with 3 functioning brain cells would realize race track=noise. They are not running Flintstone pedal drives there.
The homeowners should be told to pound sand. The track was there first. It is not their fault these people did not investigate the neighborhood to know what was around.
I bought my first home about 3 miles away from Road Atlanta. I had no idea that the track was there... during the buying process and build, we never heard the track. After we moved in it was quickly apparent that there was going to be noise from the track almost constantly. When Petit Lemans was in town, it was like they were racing down my street. I never once complained to anyone about it because it was my own damn fault for buying a house within earshot of the track.
There wasn't an environmental report/due diligence report with your home purchase? Every home I've bought had this, and it outlines ALL items in the area, easement burdens, etc, etc, etc. A racetrack 3 miles away would certainly show up on this report.
@@rongway4172 That's not what happened here. How annoying would it be if someone moved in next to your existing dirt track, then complained about it? :)
Thank you, for actually admitting this. This is nothing new. People do it all the time. Another one people don't think about is Landing Patterns for Aircraft at airports! Next, these rich people will be closing down All the Airports!!! There are enough of us with Common Sense that we could stop them in their tracks! We just need to be aware of it.
Laguna Seca is one of the most iconic racetracks on the entire planet. Racers from any other country who have driven there say it's one of their favorites. It's definitely in the top 10 worldwide. Any person who moved there not knowing about it must have moved there from under the surface of the beautiful Monterey Bay. P.S. I think it's Karen's and Darren's
Same issues in Britain; people buy houses by racetracks / drag strips, then complain and want them shutting down. There was a petition a few years ago to the government, to prevent people from complaining about noise from racetracks, but the government replied that everyone has a right to a quiet life. An ex-work colleague moaned at me when he found out that I worked weekends at the local drag strip (Santa Pod Raceway), my response was that the track was there (opened in 1966) before he bought his house.
What about houses near the airport.? Seems Corporate has a right to a profit making life. If you bought a house near the airport. You'd better have gotten a screaming deal. I'd be happy to be buzzed all day n night by. 747s and.A 300.s
Yep....my thought too I used to live near Laguna Seca, and still work in the area from time to time. The development around the track in the last 20 or so years, is incredible. Super valuable land, that is actually a county park. The track is run by a local club, called SCRAMP. Sports Car Racing Assn of Montery Peninsula, with wealthy members. But ......far more wealthy... non-members in the area. I have been to many races there, but participation, and spectators are no where near what it used to be. I bet it goes away...sadly
Karens: *Complains about noise from a race track and demand it to be shut down permanently* Racers: "Noo!!! Where will we go then?" Karens: *Gets what they want and ask racers to go somewhere else* Racers: *Goes to the streets because they have nowhere to go* Also Karens: "Why are there so many illegal street races going, why not go to a races track or build one for them?"
Seen the same thing happen with sports & event arenas, horse tracks, even railway stations and airstrips! They often purposefully built these things in poorer neighborhoods, or on the outskirts of town - then comes Gentrification and Urban Spread wealthy people move in to the neighborhood and start complaining that the venue or service that has always been there is too noisy - in the case of venues, they ALWAYS manage to get restrictions put in place at a minimum (like stopping them running events in the evenings and/or having maximum noise levels) - pretty seldom they are shut down entirely, but I've seen it happen where the venue was just not making enough money to fight it.
Which is what happened in a city here. And then it was found out that the city also pushed for that race track to be closed. And now they get their just deserve.
This isn’t a community track. It’s a place where wealthy people bring their toys. I’m okay with that, they need a place too. But let’s not pretend this is some David and Goliath story. To rent the track at the cheapest time of year (a winter weekday) with a street car is $6200. Twice that during summer.
If they shut down the track they should go to suing Karen's houses and just keep doing burnouts with very LOUD racing exaust in there driveways......for years to come.
I get tired of people like this because they knew what this place was when they bought these houses so they have no reason to complain but to themselves if you don’t like it move
This sort of thing isn't new, I raced on a track in the '70s and '80s that got shut down in the late '80s due to noise complaints from suburban encroachment. Of course now the left blames the right, and the right blames the left, the young folks blame the Boomers.
Maybe we should change the word from mind to IQ. Which has scientific studies to prove just that! People are TRULY getting dumber every year! And Common Sense died between 1997 and 2000!
Same in UK, some tracks have drive by noise meters and have to stop racing if exceeded and Brands Hatch Grand Prix circuit hardly gets used because of home owners who have moved in next to an existing race track complaining non stop. Ridiculous!
As someone who lives near a famous UK track (Oulton Park) and has done on and off for 3 decades, my outlook is this. You move near a race track, then expect noise. Move there after it was built and you automatically forego any right to complain. Enjoying this series Hoovie, hope ita doing well for you.
As you well know then this is not the usual view of people who move to a new house near a UK racetrack. Croft is now limited to around 40 days use a year, Mallory is limited to a set number of days, even Donington which is next door to East Mids Airport has to obey strict noise restrictions. All down to miserable cretins who moan about the noise after buying houses close to tracks..🤷🏻♂️
And don’t forget Brands Hatch. They can only use the GP loop a limited number of times a year now that houses were built right next to the circuit. A circuit that has been there a long time!
This kind of thing is a symptom of urban sprawl. When the tracks were built, they were built out "in the country" away from residential neighborhoods. Over the intervening years developers kept buying out the "countryside" and turning it into residential neighborhoods. Over time residential neighborhoods sprout up around these race tracks and zoning boards don't act to protect the existing facilities that residential neighborhoods might not like to live near when they approve the new developments. This is a story as old as urban sprawl.
Yep, exactly what's happening with the Freedom Factory now. It was built past the urban development line to keep it away from neighborhoods, now they have re-zoned it so they can build right next to the track.
We had a similar situation here where I live when a bunch of people tried to get our local airport shut down for the same reason. They thought that they had some pull with the City Council but they found out in a hurry that the FAA overrules the local government. In fact the FAA came and did their own independent noise audit and debunked every single claim that the Karen's had made.
Laguna was one of my Home tracks, young motorcycle racer back in the 80's. My grandparents lived in carmel so I got to stay with them + race!!! Love that track, raced the old layout and the new...
I grew up in Monterey/Seaside area used to camping 🏕️, dirt bike riding( w/ spark arrestor) , even ran the wildflower triathlon, Kawasaki motorcycle race class, rode mountain bikes in the hills.…. Save Laguna Seca
Even remember the Gp race where young Edward’s rode off the track onto local canyon - the grade… police had to box him in! Classic memories!😂😂😂 Scott Russell used to tear the track up! Bubba Shorbert , Kevin Schawnz etc
I live 7 miles away and by fuel there for my yard equipment often and ofcourse have been to plenty of events, ridden mountain bikes on the trails on it’s perimeter and truly appreciate the remarkable and uniquely American history at this track. It is hard to think of a more recognizable road course in the United States let alone the world, and one even recognizable to non-racing enthusiasts. I just hope whom ever adjudicates this recognizes Laguna Seca’s place in history and its importance to the area.
I heard about this situation on "Lehto's Law" website a day or two ago. Race track has put up with increasing restrictions for several years. I hope the track survives. To the opponents: "If you don't like the racetrack, why did you move to a home near it?"
What's funny about what you stated is that if I had enough money I would love living next to the track. Sort of like golfers living on their favorite golf course. I would have a season pass and a short jaunt to the track when they are having events.
One of the Oldest Airports in Ohio near Kent has had upscale houses build around it and the City is constantly getting complaints about it. From these dorks. Every time they get told that they knew they were building by a airport and the people say , That is not their problem drives us nuts
I use to live right by that same airport, behind El Campesino, Hobby Lobby, Giant Eagle. Those are prop planes…I heard them, but not a nuisance. I know the neighborhood you are talking about…those folks DID know where they were building/buying and need to just deal with it.
Why would you put houses near a race track unless you either wanted to live near it, or had a plan to shut it down buy the property and develop it... It was someone's plan all along...
Laguna Seca is such a wonderful race track. There's already a sound restriction for most events. It would be a shame to see it go away, but I'm not surprised. There have been literally hundreds and hundreds of race tracks that have come to the this demise. Most of these tracks were built in very rural areas but development encroached and residents complained. If you look up defunct race tracks in and around Los Angeles, the results are astonishing.
Cleet is has said he would make a fortune if he sells the track land to developers. But he will not sell unless he and his neighbor/buddy who owns the drag strip next door, and a new facility built and ready to go. He wants that place to run for 25 years and then give it to his son.
many tracks and airports have fallen victim to this BS....the track/airport is built decades ago, at the time far away from any residential hassle....over time farmers sell land as communities sprawl irrationally, and eventually people start to bitch about the track / airport....unfortunately most of the time these people win
I never thought the historical and incredibly fun to drive Laguna Seca could be shut down. After hearing the property is owned by the County, you will be missed Laguna Seca, what a shame.
they can only complain if they lived there before the circuit opened, if you move in next to an airport or race circuit, you paid less for your house because of it, get over it!
That's a thing around me too. Ancient shooting ranges are shutting down because people that move into the vicinity are well aware of them and then start complaining and suing anyway.
It is infuriating when people do this. Here in Wichita I remember the complaints from people who bought houses near the Airforce base and then complained the planes were to loud back when we had the B1. Or worse, the developers who built new neighborhoods right next to the city dump and then complained about the city dump. Our city dump is the highest point in Wichita, it is literally a mountain of trash. There is no way someone missed it being there. I also read about this track, one of the things that is at issue is that it slowed way down during Covid. Now it is picking back up and that is upsetting these people. Maybe we should go after their golf courses..... I wonder if it could be made a historic landmark?
To be fair, the B1 is ungodly loud. I live a few miles northwest of McConnell and I *know* when the Bone is in town. I saw a map with the audible reach of different aircraft that commonly use McConnell and the two loudest were the Bone and the AWACS, because heaven forbid we ever install the newer high-bypass engines in them, lol. It's rare enough that I really enjoy it, though. Everything on the walls rattles.
It's happening everywhere. People are buying up property in the country building big houses then complaining that their neighbors have farms and animals. In Tulsa People built big houses overlooking the Rock Quarry and complaining about the Rock Quarry. 😡 We need to build a wall around California
With the Freedom Factory they are trying to get verbiage in the actual titles of the property that states that by purchasing the property the say that they acknowledge the presence of the racetrack and the noises that they make
There is probably an alternative reason for this lawsuit, it has “nothing to do with noise from this iconic track, it’s the land they want for future development.
😂 The part of Oregon that wants to splinter off wants to be part of Idaho. No thanks. These people who I bet moved into the area after Laguna Seca was built are the same as the people who move into an area around an airport and then complain about noisy planes flying at times that bother them. I live within earshot of Meridian Speedway in Meridian Idaho and we have people who recently moved here (from California) and complain about the track noise. Karen’s!
We know you two are working in Scottsdale…. THANKS for making these ahead for all us that couldn’t make it there with you. Will love to watch you two on FYI today
I can't see this being successful. Leguna Seca is safe for historical reasons at the least. Public outcry from the racing community, many of them quite influential, will overwhelm the Karens pitiful whimpers. Than again, this is California, "Granolaland" - What's not fruit and nuts, is flakes. Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
This is happening at established racetracks all over the country not just Laguna-Seca. As mentioned, the Freedom-Factory in Bradenton Fla. is fighting urban sprawl after re-zoning to allow a tract housing project adjacent to the tract to be built on what was farmland. Here in Nashville our historic fairgrounds circle track is fighting to allow a restoration by the company that runs Bristol in eastern TN. so that Nascar will return with some limited races throughout the season. My home is about 2-3 miles away and for 30 years I've heard the races on Friday/Saturday nights, and it is actually soothing to me!
This is the same thing that may happen the Bradenton Motorsport Park ans the Freedom Factory (formerly Desoto Speedway) in Florida. The "farmland" that surrounded the tracks that was mostly never actually used as farmland is being developed into a new "community".
They've already succeeded in making bandimere speedway in Colorado sell. My worry is the next thing they're going to go after is one of the greatest music venues in the world which is Red rocks amphitheater. All because a bunch of Karen's build houses right next to a racetrack that they knew was there since it's been there since the 50s. It's a sad sad thing
I was just there during Monterey Car Week 2023. I would be so pissed if we let a bunch of millionaire Karens shut down the most iconic permanent circuits in California. The track should be a national landmark of Motorsports.
There is Nelix front and center. It wouldn't be a show without Nelix. Same thing happens around airports. They build neighborhoods around airports, then they complain about the noise.
The city of Mountain View, Georgia no longer exists because of the reverse. It was in Hartsfield-Jackson flight path, a race track occupied that space before, oddly enough...They complained enough that the EPA said, not safe to live there, gotta go, airport ain't moving.... So they got bought out, moved out, bulldozed, problem solved forever... Mountain View was also a known wild ass place back in the day...hence the real reason it is gone. Regardless, THEY always win...
Tyler, the oregon thing is actually called The Greater Idaho movement. They want to become part of idaho. As an idaho resident I don't blame them idaho is great.
I'm in the UK and unfortunately this goes on here all the time , someone moves into a house near a circuit, complains about the noise , the complaint gets upheld by the council and the circuit gets strict noise limits and limited days it can open imposed on it. Feel sad it's coming to the USA .
I used to live 5 miles from the track and people have been complaining about the noise for years. It’s ridiculous because it’s been there before they were there.
The funny part is the land the track is on, is owned by the U.S. DoD (It's part of Fort Ord). And the Land use to the county specifically states it can ONLY be used as a racetrack. The rest of the former base is now owned by the state (It's CSU Monterey Bay). The reason is it sits next to the former range at Ord... it's probably more lead and dirt now. Pretty sure it's on some toxic cleanup site. But at the time the idea was that it would be a buffer from the range and any homes. If you ever drive the "back entrance" used for the big events, there are signs saying to stay on the paved road as there could still be "unexploded ordinance" in the area. Laguna is my favorite track, and I've been out there at club events, and it's really not loud at all at these events. I'm wondering if some developers think they'll magically get that land if the track is shutdown, but like I said, it would go back to the DoD, and probably just be fenced over as a cleanup site from the Fort Ord Days...
In preparation for Track Day for the 40th Anniversary of the Pontiac Fiero in 2023, I interviewed Tim McGrane of the M1 Concourse in Pontiac, Michigan, and I asked about how the surrounding neighbors reacted to the road course being built there. He said that because the site had originally been a manufacturing site for the Rapid Trucks (later to become GMC), and because the railroad runs alongside the site and must sound the train horn as the trains cross Woodward Avenue, the residents are used to noise. Additionally, the residents were involved in the planning and some of the residents ended up working at M1. That is an example of a win-win. I realize that this is a slightly different situation than Laguna Seca and the Freedom Factory, but it shows how in some cases these situations can be worked out. This same situation is causing the closing of bone yards throughout the U.S. and the crushing of thousands of old cars that will never be restored, or lend parts to a restoration. Great video. Keep up the good work.
I grew up next to an oval track where they raced stock cars. My brain is the complete opposite. I like that big thunder sound and the fireworks. Reminds me of summer. I can sleep to it.
This has nothing to do with California laws. The homeowners want to increase their property values and developers want to add houses. Same as in Florida with Cleetus McFarland's Freedom Factory.
The world will not allow this, period! We need to deep dive into the monsters behind this lawsuit! DEEP DIVE TIME! This should expose some more sinister reasons why!!!
What took them so long? On Long Island all but one track has been closed for similar reasons last surviving is Riverhead. Bridgehampton , Islip , Freeport race tracks hosted NASCAR GRAND NATIONAL with the likes of Richard Petty . Actually the very first race was held here the Vanderbilt Cup
I really think you should start broadcasting about this on your main channel to get the wave going! To few people know about this, you and Lehtos Law are the only ones talking about this very important topic. We need to save Laguna Seca! I’m a German and I understand the importance of that place!
I used to live by a dirt oval and it was heaven listening to the sprint cars every weekend from my deck. These rich people need to learn that money doesn’t buy you everything you want. Long live the legendary Laguna Seca
Happens all the time. They almost closed one of my favorite local motocross tracks that’s been around since the 60’s. Someone built a couple houses nearby and complained about the noise on Saturday/sundays
I'd bet those initiating the lawsuit or at least involved in it, or hoping in some way to cash in on the sale and development of the property once closed down. It wouldn't be the first time. Not that many developers have the funds for a California property of that size so the competition wouldn't be as much as you might think.. if I was representing the Laguna Seca I would start by doing a deep background on every party to the suit and their friends and business associates. It shouldn't be that hard to find who has the necessary resources and focus from there. Its rarely about the environment or the environmental impact, it's almost always about greed and self-interests.
It's California, the HOA has a high chance of getting their way. Crazy that the politicians want to end street racing but continue to shut down tracks.
It happened here in Kansas City,Kansas City international racetrack opened in 1966 fast forward fifty years,they built some houses by the track people complained that it was too loud and the track was put out of business
What's actually trying to happen, is Eastern Oregon, Eastern Washington, and northern California, want to become something known as greater Idaho. This is a movement that has been going on for over 20 years, the complaint is, that the cities on the coast, are determining what the rural areas to the East cannon cannot do.
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So let me get this straight... people bought a home next to a race track and now their complaining about living next to a race track. I fucking hate people.
This is my town. It happened at the off road motorcycle dirt bike area as well. The place has been there for decades and people decide to move in near it then complain about it.
They tried this in my local area, anyone that was a car guy literally flooded the streets, just causing in general...chaos, multiple blocks became just one big takeover you literally could not drive through the town, took the local government less than 6 hours to reverse their decision.
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I think Laguna Seca has an excellent case to be classified as a historical landmark.
It's a legend!
In Commiesfornia?!?!
Ya Good Luck with that
If you look at Google maps, there’s not a lot of housing near that track. It wouldn’t surprise me that the people trying to get it closed down are people on the golf course next-door or would be people that own land around it that want to develop it and feel like the track would hurt them being able to sell lots and houses. I wonder if anyone looked into this angle?
@@plantfeeder6677- capitalists who own land around that track probably want to develop it and would get top dollar value just with the views and not the track. There’s a golf course there too. Currently there’s not that many houses anywhere near that track. It’s kind of in the middle of nowhere but close enough to beach and SanJose to be worth a lot. 😅
If they close that track down every car enthusiast with a loud exhaust will drive through that area for the next twenty years, including me
I say we organize street races through their neighborhood. They're driving us back out on the streets anyway seeing how race tracks and drag strips were built to stop kids from street racing in the first place.
Finally another car enthusiast with the same idea. To legally get away with it just make it a protest.
Any hearing on this should go as follows:
Judge: I just have one question for all of the plaintiffs. What was there first, the track or you and your house?
Attorney for Plaintiffs: The track in all instances, Your Honor.
Judge: Case dismissed. Plaintiffs are responsible for all legal expenses related to this colossal waste of time.
Except that's applying common sense to the problem and we're talking about a judge in the People's Repulik of Kalifornia. Unfortunately, the track doesn't stand a chance. Plus the track is owned by the county and they'll have some 2-bit traffic ticket lawyer defending them while the rich homeowners will have some slick mouthpiece.
Unfortunately it doesn't work like this. Many tracks have been shutdown for noise and of course. They were their first built-in the middle of nowhere until the house is came.
@@geniferteal4178 The developers should have responsibility here. They were well aware of the track, yet built there anyway. They should have had to disclose the track. Anyone with 3 functioning brain cells would realize race track=noise. They are not running Flintstone pedal drives there.
The homeowners should be told to pound sand. The track was there first. It is not their fault these people did not investigate the neighborhood to know what was around.
@joes9954 yes they should.
I bought my first home about 3 miles away from Road Atlanta. I had no idea that the track was there... during the buying process and build, we never heard the track. After we moved in it was quickly apparent that there was going to be noise from the track almost constantly. When Petit Lemans was in town, it was like they were racing down my street. I never once complained to anyone about it because it was my own damn fault for buying a house within earshot of the track.
but Braselton is still nice....
There wasn't an environmental report/due diligence report with your home purchase? Every home I've bought had this, and it outlines ALL items in the area, easement burdens, etc, etc, etc. A racetrack 3 miles away would certainly show up on this report.
Hoovie how nice if the corn field next to your 5 acer home became a dirt track..how annoying
@@rongway4172 That's not what happened here. How annoying would it be if someone moved in next to your existing dirt track, then complained about it? :)
Thank you, for actually admitting this. This is nothing new. People do it all the time. Another one people don't think about is Landing Patterns for Aircraft at airports! Next, these rich people will be closing down All the Airports!!! There are enough of us with Common Sense that we could stop them in their tracks! We just need to be aware of it.
No wonder Cleetus is concerned about the Freedom factory
Cleetus has some legal protections, for now.
@@AeroGuy07 but it's still toast down there, it's the way of race tracks.
@@AeroGuy07his “Karen clause” will be good for now but between now and then, his property values won’t be going down lol
@@NXT_LVL I think he put it in place to give him time to relocate instead of just being shut down due to court order tomorrow.
@@NXT_LVL think that also that cleet is safe for now but motorsports and ICE cars is never safe from karens or EPA.
Laguna Seca is one of the most iconic racetracks on the entire planet. Racers from any other country who have driven there say it's one of their favorites. It's definitely in the top 10 worldwide. Any person who moved there not knowing about it must have moved there from under the surface of the beautiful Monterey Bay. P.S. I think it's Karen's and Darren's
No.
Male Karen's is fine.
Same issues in Britain; people buy houses by racetracks / drag strips, then complain and want them shutting down. There was a petition a few years ago to the government, to prevent people from complaining about noise from racetracks, but the government replied that everyone has a right to a quiet life.
An ex-work colleague moaned at me when he found out that I worked weekends at the local drag strip (Santa Pod Raceway), my response was that the track was there (opened in 1966) before he bought his house.
What about houses near the airport.? Seems Corporate has a right to a profit making life. If you bought a house near the airport. You'd better have gotten a screaming deal. I'd be happy to be buzzed all day n night by. 747s and.A 300.s
What development group wants the track!?? Follow the money..
Bingo. This smells like a stealth gentrification gambit.
Yep....my thought too
I used to live near Laguna Seca, and still work in the area from time to time.
The development around the track in the last 20 or so years, is incredible.
Super valuable land, that is actually a county park.
The track is run by a local club, called SCRAMP.
Sports Car Racing Assn of Montery Peninsula, with wealthy members.
But ......far more wealthy... non-members in the area.
I have been to many races there, but participation, and spectators are no where near what it used to be.
I bet it goes away...sadly
You’re right…
Probably Vanguard or Blackrock
They have so much land from golf course. They chose one of America's iconic track. Disgusting...
Karens: *Complains about noise from a race track and demand it to be shut down permanently*
Racers: "Noo!!! Where will we go then?"
Karens: *Gets what they want and ask racers to go somewhere else*
Racers: *Goes to the streets because they have nowhere to go*
Also Karens: "Why are there so many illegal street races going, why not go to a races track or build one for them?"
Seen the same thing happen with sports & event arenas, horse tracks, even railway stations and airstrips! They often purposefully built these things in poorer neighborhoods, or on the outskirts of town - then comes Gentrification and Urban Spread wealthy people move in to the neighborhood and start complaining that the venue or service that has always been there is too noisy - in the case of venues, they ALWAYS manage to get restrictions put in place at a minimum (like stopping them running events in the evenings and/or having maximum noise levels) - pretty seldom they are shut down entirely, but I've seen it happen where the venue was just not making enough money to fight it.
Which is what happened in a city here. And then it was found out that the city also pushed for that race track to be closed. And now they get their just deserve.
This isn’t a community track. It’s a place where wealthy people bring their toys. I’m okay with that, they need a place too. But let’s not pretend this is some David and Goliath story.
To rent the track at the cheapest time of year (a winter weekday) with a street car is $6200. Twice that during summer.
If they shut down the track they should go to suing Karen's houses and just keep doing burnouts with very LOUD racing exaust in there driveways......for years to come.
Karens will probably say "just go to the tracks" when the nearest ones are hours away
The good part of this, is that a lot of rich people use that track, and hopefully those rich people take part in the lawsuit.
Unionize. ALL the business that prosper from the track should close until the track re-opens.
More importantly, it hosts multiple race series'.
Corporations hold far more power than individuals in America.
There will be a legal Team, Like never seen...
The Driver's will Win... Hand's Down!!
I get tired of people like this because they knew what this place was when they bought these houses so they have no reason to complain but to themselves if you don’t like it move
America has lost it's mind.
This sort of thing isn't new, I raced on a track in the '70s and '80s that got shut down in the late '80s due to noise complaints from suburban encroachment. Of course now the left blames the right, and the right blames the left, the young folks blame the Boomers.
California and the Democrats*
Maybe we should change the word from mind to IQ. Which has scientific studies to prove just that! People are TRULY getting dumber every year! And Common Sense died between 1997 and 2000!
Not just America, it's urban sprawl in general. Same thing is happening in the UK, Portugal, etc.
Urban weaklings ruin everything
Same in UK, some tracks have drive by noise meters and have to stop racing if exceeded and Brands Hatch Grand Prix circuit hardly gets used because of home owners who have moved in next to an existing race track complaining non stop.
Ridiculous!
As someone who lives near a famous UK track (Oulton Park) and has done on and off for 3 decades, my outlook is this. You move near a race track, then expect noise. Move there after it was built and you automatically forego any right to complain. Enjoying this series Hoovie, hope ita doing well for you.
As you well know then this is not the usual view of people who move to a new house near a UK racetrack. Croft is now limited to around 40 days use a year, Mallory is limited to a set number of days, even Donington which is next door to East Mids Airport has to obey strict noise restrictions. All down to miserable cretins who moan about the noise after buying houses close to tracks..🤷🏻♂️
And don’t forget Brands Hatch. They can only use the GP loop a limited number of times a year now that houses were built right next to the circuit. A circuit that has been there a long time!
If you buy a house near a track and don't like it MOVE HOUSE.
This kind of thing is a symptom of urban sprawl. When the tracks were built, they were built out "in the country" away from residential neighborhoods. Over the intervening years developers kept buying out the "countryside" and turning it into residential neighborhoods. Over time residential neighborhoods sprout up around these race tracks and zoning boards don't act to protect the existing facilities that residential neighborhoods might not like to live near when they approve the new developments. This is a story as old as urban sprawl.
Yep, exactly what's happening with the Freedom Factory now. It was built past the urban development line to keep it away from neighborhoods, now they have re-zoned it so they can build right next to the track.
I heard about this one. Someone's palms got greased by the developer
We had a similar situation here where I live when a bunch of people tried to get our local airport shut down for the same reason. They thought that they had some pull with the City Council but they found out in a hurry that the FAA overrules the local government. In fact the FAA came and did their own independent noise audit and debunked every single claim that the Karen's had made.
Needs to be declared a historical place or a National Park.
Laguna was one of my Home tracks, young motorcycle racer back in the 80's. My grandparents lived in carmel so I got to stay with them + race!!! Love that track, raced the old layout and the new...
Bikes racing through the corkscrew , enuf said 👊🇺🇸🇬🇧
I grew up in Monterey/Seaside area used to camping 🏕️, dirt bike riding( w/ spark arrestor) , even ran the wildflower triathlon, Kawasaki motorcycle race class, rode mountain bikes in the hills.…. Save Laguna Seca
Even remember the Gp race where young Edward’s rode off the track onto local canyon - the grade… police had to box him in! Classic memories!😂😂😂 Scott Russell used to tear the track up! Bubba Shorbert , Kevin Schawnz etc
I live 7 miles away and by fuel there for my yard equipment often and ofcourse have been to plenty of events, ridden mountain bikes on the trails on it’s perimeter and truly appreciate the remarkable and uniquely American history at this track. It is hard to think of a more recognizable road course in the United States let alone the world, and one even recognizable to non-racing enthusiasts. I just hope whom ever adjudicates this recognizes Laguna Seca’s place in history and its importance to the area.
Can they designate it as a historical site?
I heard about this situation on "Lehto's Law" website a day or two ago. Race track has put up with increasing restrictions for several years. I hope the track survives. To the opponents: "If you don't like the racetrack, why did you move to a home near it?"
So they could play an awesome round of golf at Pebble Beach, then sit in Carmel drinking awesome shooters and sucking up each others awesomeness.
What's funny about what you stated is that if I had enough money I would love living next to the track. Sort of like golfers living on their favorite golf course. I would have a season pass and a short jaunt to the track when they are having events.
One of the Oldest Airports in Ohio near Kent has had upscale houses build around it and the City is constantly getting complaints about it. From these dorks. Every time they get told that they knew they were building by a airport and the people say , That is not their problem drives us nuts
I use to live right by that same airport, behind El Campesino, Hobby Lobby, Giant Eagle. Those are prop planes…I heard them, but not a nuisance. I know the neighborhood you are talking about…those folks DID know where they were building/buying and need to just deal with it.
Just tell em the truth. "It IS your problem."
Why would you put houses near a race track unless you either wanted to live near it, or had a plan to shut it down buy the property and develop it... It was someone's plan all along...
Laguna Seca is such a wonderful race track. There's already a sound restriction for most events. It would be a shame to see it go away, but I'm not surprised. There have been literally hundreds and hundreds of race tracks that have come to the this demise. Most of these tracks were built in very rural areas but development encroached and residents complained. If you look up defunct race tracks in and around Los Angeles, the results are astonishing.
These people are bullies. Be a bigger bully and make them an offer they can’t refuse.
Cleet is has said he would make a fortune if he sells the track land to developers. But he will not sell unless he and his neighbor/buddy who owns the drag strip next door, and a new facility built and ready to go. He wants that place to run for 25 years and then give it to his son.
many tracks and airports have fallen victim to this BS....the track/airport is built decades ago, at the time far away from any residential hassle....over time farmers sell land as communities sprawl irrationally, and eventually people start to bitch about the track / airport....unfortunately most of the time these people win
I never thought the historical and incredibly fun to drive Laguna Seca could be shut down. After hearing the property is owned by the County, you will be missed Laguna Seca, what a shame.
they can only complain if they lived there before the circuit opened, if you move in next to an airport or race circuit, you paid less for your house because of it, get over it!
Local gun club in our town open since 1962 forced by local homeowners to close recently due to gunfire scaring residents
That's a thing around me too. Ancient shooting ranges are shutting down because people that move into the vicinity are well aware of them and then start complaining and suing anyway.
Damn
It is infuriating when people do this. Here in Wichita I remember the complaints from people who bought houses near the Airforce base and then complained the planes were to loud back when we had the B1. Or worse, the developers who built new neighborhoods right next to the city dump and then complained about the city dump. Our city dump is the highest point in Wichita, it is literally a mountain of trash. There is no way someone missed it being there.
I also read about this track, one of the things that is at issue is that it slowed way down during Covid. Now it is picking back up and that is upsetting these people. Maybe we should go after their golf courses.....
I wonder if it could be made a historic landmark?
To be fair, the B1 is ungodly loud. I live a few miles northwest of McConnell and I *know* when the Bone is in town. I saw a map with the audible reach of different aircraft that commonly use McConnell and the two loudest were the Bone and the AWACS, because heaven forbid we ever install the newer high-bypass engines in them, lol. It's rare enough that I really enjoy it, though. Everything on the walls rattles.
Texas or Kansas?
Where can I contribute to a legal defense fund to shutdown those pompous a-holes trying to shut down Laguna Seca (aka WeatherTech) Raceway?
It's happening everywhere.
People are buying up property in the country building big houses then complaining that their neighbors have farms and animals.
In Tulsa People built big houses overlooking the
Rock Quarry and complaining about the Rock Quarry.
😡 We need to build a wall around California
Then MOVE. people should move away. Sell the home and go to the middle of nowhere then.
The bulk of emissions are CO2. The only thing plants grow on, pretty much. And there's a food crisis already.
With the Freedom Factory they are trying to get verbiage in the actual titles of the property that states that by purchasing the property the say that they acknowledge the presence of the racetrack and the noises that they make
Nothing surprises me! We now live in a country where you are guilty until you somehow prove your innocent.
Tell me about it! The justice system is a joke.
Bull 💩 on "environmental harm".
Its just an excuse
There is probably an alternative reason for this lawsuit, it has “nothing to do with noise from this iconic track, it’s the land they want for future development.
😂 The part of Oregon that wants to splinter off wants to be part of Idaho. No thanks. These people who I bet moved into the area after Laguna Seca was built are the same as the people who move into an area around an airport and then complain about noisy planes flying at times that bother them. I live within earshot of Meridian Speedway in Meridian Idaho and we have people who recently moved here (from California) and complain about the track noise. Karen’s!
We know you two are working in Scottsdale…. THANKS for making these ahead for all us that couldn’t make it there with you. Will love to watch you two on FYI today
I bought a home near the ocean. I’m suing for them to close it because my stuff keeps getting wet.
There needs to be a GREATER movement to have those Karens deported.
Blame HOA’s
I can't see this being successful. Leguna Seca is safe for historical reasons at the least. Public outcry from the racing community, many of them quite influential, will overwhelm the Karens pitiful whimpers. Than again, this is California, "Granolaland" - What's not fruit and nuts, is flakes. Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
This is happening at established racetracks all over the country not just Laguna-Seca. As mentioned, the Freedom-Factory in Bradenton Fla. is fighting urban sprawl after re-zoning to allow a tract housing project adjacent to the tract to be built on what was farmland. Here in Nashville our historic fairgrounds circle track is fighting to allow a restoration by the company that runs Bristol in eastern TN. so that Nascar will return with some limited races throughout the season. My home is about 2-3 miles away and for 30 years I've heard the races on Friday/Saturday nights, and it is actually soothing to me!
This is the same thing that may happen the Bradenton Motorsport Park ans the Freedom Factory (formerly Desoto Speedway) in Florida. The "farmland" that surrounded the tracks that was mostly never actually used as farmland is being developed into a new "community".
It WILL happen. Florida is absolutely OWNED by the real estate industry. Florida is a grossly misunderstood state.
They've already succeeded in making bandimere speedway in Colorado sell. My worry is the next thing they're going to go after is one of the greatest music venues in the world which is Red rocks amphitheater. All because a bunch of Karen's build houses right next to a racetrack that they knew was there since it's been there since the 50s. It's a sad sad thing
Karens needs to recruit African americans when they protest and say that the track is racist then the judge will likely side with them.
It's not just raceways being threatened, it's airports as well.
I was just there during Monterey Car Week 2023. I would be so pissed if we let a bunch of millionaire Karens shut down the most iconic permanent circuits in California. The track should be a national landmark of Motorsports.
There is Nelix front and center. It wouldn't be a show without Nelix. Same thing happens around airports. They build neighborhoods around airports, then they complain about the noise.
The city of Mountain View, Georgia no longer exists because of the reverse. It was in Hartsfield-Jackson flight path, a race track occupied that space before, oddly enough...They complained enough that the EPA said, not safe to live there, gotta go, airport ain't moving.... So they got bought out, moved out, bulldozed, problem solved forever... Mountain View was also a known wild ass place back in the day...hence the real reason it is gone. Regardless, THEY always win...
A male "Karen" is called a "Kevin".
Really it's from Harry Enfield & Chums...."Kevin & Perry".
If you've not seen it....give it a watch.
Tyler, the oregon thing is actually called The Greater Idaho movement. They want to become part of idaho. As an idaho resident I don't blame them idaho is great.
Except Idaho has sales tax and Oregon doesn't.
@@mexicanspec true I'd like no sales tax haha
I lived in Ontario, on the border. I never shopped on the Idaho side.@@matthewladd3427
California is so screwed up and out there I propose another wall.
No! My dog's name is Laguna, and the 9 week old puppy is now named Willow. Previous dog was Nurburgring, Nurby for short. Damn Karens. 1:42
its like suing the airport that has been there for years.
I'm in the UK and unfortunately this goes on here all the time , someone moves into a house near a circuit, complains about the noise , the complaint gets upheld by the council and the circuit gets strict noise limits and limited days it can open imposed on it. Feel sad it's coming to the USA .
I’m close to Donington in England, and I love the sounds
Move next to raceway that had been around for nearly a century, "WHATS WITH ALL THIS NOISE"
I think we should race the 787B, the LFA and the Porsche Carrera GT just out of spite 😂
I like your thinking, but lets add Lia Block driving the Hoonicorn alongside the cars you've listed.
There is No Way April approved that shirt!! 🙃🤣
I know. She’s got pit stains on it
there is a drag strip 1000 feet behind my house for the last 31 years. Never bothered me since its been here since the 60s long before me.
I used to live 5 miles from the track and people have been complaining about the noise for years. It’s ridiculous because it’s been there before they were there.
The funny part is the land the track is on, is owned by the U.S. DoD (It's part of Fort Ord). And the Land use to the county specifically states it can ONLY be used as a racetrack. The rest of the former base is now owned by the state (It's CSU Monterey Bay).
The reason is it sits next to the former range at Ord... it's probably more lead and dirt now. Pretty sure it's on some toxic cleanup site. But at the time the idea was that it would be a buffer from the range and any homes. If you ever drive the "back entrance" used for the big events, there are signs saying to stay on the paved road as there could still be "unexploded ordinance" in the area.
Laguna is my favorite track, and I've been out there at club events, and it's really not loud at all at these events.
I'm wondering if some developers think they'll magically get that land if the track is shutdown, but like I said, it would go back to the DoD, and probably just be fenced over as a cleanup site from the Fort Ord Days...
Meanwhile in the historic city center of Amsterdam Karen’s are complaining about the Westertoren church and her bells ringing every 15min since 1632..
In preparation for Track Day for the 40th Anniversary of the Pontiac Fiero in 2023, I interviewed Tim McGrane of the M1 Concourse in Pontiac, Michigan, and I asked about how the surrounding neighbors reacted to the road course being built there. He said that because the site had originally been a manufacturing site for the Rapid Trucks (later to become GMC), and because the railroad runs alongside the site and must sound the train horn as the trains cross Woodward Avenue, the residents are used to noise. Additionally, the residents were involved in the planning and some of the residents ended up working at M1. That is an example of a win-win. I realize that this is a slightly different situation than Laguna Seca and the Freedom Factory, but it shows how in some cases these situations can be worked out. This same situation is causing the closing of bone yards throughout the U.S. and the crushing of thousands of old cars that will never be restored, or lend parts to a restoration. Great video. Keep up the good work.
You do know Tim also ran Laguna Seca as CEO for a short time too right? They let him go too soon in my opinion. He wasn't as bad as the new guy . 😅
I grew up next to an oval track where they raced stock cars. My brain is the complete opposite. I like that big thunder sound and the fireworks. Reminds me of summer. I can sleep to it.
I love how out of every image of Laguna Seca you could have picked you picked the one with the Wiener mobile. Respect
This has nothing to do with California laws. The homeowners want to increase their property values and developers want to add houses. Same as in Florida with Cleetus McFarland's Freedom Factory.
The world will not allow this, period! We need to deep dive into the monsters behind this lawsuit! DEEP DIVE TIME! This should expose some more sinister reasons why!!!
I would rule that they pay for the waste of resources and that they should move out of the neighborhood.
They will be all right. Nobody complains about living by the airport, and nobody complains about living a buy trains.
What took them so long? On Long Island all but one track has been closed for similar reasons last surviving is Riverhead. Bridgehampton , Islip , Freeport race tracks hosted NASCAR GRAND NATIONAL with the likes of Richard Petty . Actually the very first race was held here the Vanderbilt Cup
Buy a house near a race track and then complain about the race track. How liberal.
These twos conservative values are showing ❤😂
As someone who lives in the area, I am surprised that I am barely hearing about this on youtube and not from anyone in the 831 car scene.
I really think you should start broadcasting about this on your main channel to get the wave going!
To few people know about this, you and Lehtos Law are the only ones talking about this very important topic.
We need to save Laguna Seca!
I’m a German and I understand the importance of that place!
I used to live by a dirt oval and it was heaven listening to the sprint cars every weekend from my deck. These rich people need to learn that money doesn’t buy you everything you want. Long live the legendary Laguna Seca
Yep. Like buying a house near an airport...or train tracks.
Despite the logic, the track will loose eventually.
Happens all the time. They almost closed one of my favorite local motocross tracks that’s been around since the 60’s. Someone built a couple houses nearby and complained about the noise on Saturday/sundays
I'd bet those initiating the lawsuit or at least involved in it, or hoping in some way to cash in on the sale and development of the property once closed down. It wouldn't be the first time. Not that many developers have the funds for a California property of that size so the competition wouldn't be as much as you might think.. if I was representing the Laguna Seca I would start by doing a deep background on every party to the suit and their friends and business associates. It shouldn't be that hard to find who has the necessary resources and focus from there. Its rarely about the environment or the environmental impact, it's almost always about greed and self-interests.
I bought a house next to a loud Airport. I sued and got the airport shut. Next up on list is suing list is Thunder.
But also imagine being rich and living next to a race track. That would be heaven.
I wonder if developers are after that property?
Cancel culture
This is the exact same crap pulled by NIMBYS near airports, factories, quarries, sawmills, golf courses.
Like the people that chose to live near an airport they know it is there when they move and then start complaining about it
I agree with April, if you don’t like it, sell your home to a car enthusiast for a huge profit and go away!
It’s private property! Lol they don’t have to follow state regulations. It’s not state land.
It's California, the HOA has a high chance of getting their way. Crazy that the politicians want to end street racing but continue to shut down tracks.
What can I say, California. Why I am glad I left.
It happened here in Kansas City,Kansas City international racetrack opened in 1966 fast forward fifty years,they built some houses by the track people complained that it was too loud and the track was put out of business
We used to hear a 1/2mile dirt track 4miles away when I was a young kid loved it.
Just be thankful you don’t live in this god forsaken state.
What's actually trying to happen, is Eastern Oregon, Eastern Washington, and northern California, want to become something known as greater Idaho. This is a movement that has been going on for over 20 years, the complaint is, that the cities on the coast, are determining what the rural areas to the East cannon cannot do.
So let me get this straight... people bought a home next to a race track and now their complaining about living next to a race track. I fucking hate people.
This is my town. It happened at the off road motorcycle dirt bike area as well. The place has been there for decades and people decide to move in near it then complain about it.
They tried this in my local area, anyone that was a car guy literally flooded the streets, just causing in general...chaos, multiple blocks became just one big takeover you literally could not drive through the town, took the local government less than 6 hours to reverse their decision.