Will The Real White Lady Cocktail Please Stand Up? - Cocktails After Dark
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- 1934 White Lady Cocktail Recipe - Cocktails After Dark
Today we look at a couple historical variations of the white lady cocktail... This is the White Lady cocktail without egg white, this is the White Lady cocktail without cream; this is the original White Lady cocktail with only 3 ingredients. As with all cocktails the story of its original creation is a bit hazy with several bars and bartenders claiming to have invented it. The Harry Craddock white lady cocktail used lemon juice, but this recipe we are making today from Quaglinos London, a rival bar in the same time period uses lime juice.
White Lady Cocktail:
½ dry gin
¼ Cointreau
¼ lime juice
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Glen…don’t ever stop making gin based drinks. We love them!!
Big gin fan here. Looking forward to try as I'm also a lover of anything with lime.
A piece of advice - whether you are interested or not, no idea - but as a former bartender in a different life, cocktails are made with the ingredients mixed in order from cheapest to most expensive. The reason being that if you screw up, you can minimize the cost. Not that it matters for these kinds of contexts, but anyway, there you go.
That’s a very good tip!
The name of that Québécois gin you mentioned (its full name is "48 Chemin Price", or 48 Price Road) refers to the address of the distillery that makes it, in Saint-David-de-Falardeau, a few miles north of the city of Saguenay, in the Monts-Valin area, which is ski country for Saguenay folks. The Saguenay region is renowned for its blueberries - there's a saying in Québec that the blueberries are so big in Saguenay that you only need one to make a pie! -, so it's not surprising they would flavour their gin with blueberries. The name of the gin also refers to the number of herbs and flowers from the boreal forest that are used to flavour this particular spirit.
You know, I don't like alcohol at all, but I always learn something from your videos and they are entertaining.
That's alright I love alcohol enough for both of us
I have always been a potato vodka person...my mom loved a gin n tonic for very hot days and I did not like the taste..as I mixed it for her🤣. When I was younger I hated gin...Now that I am older my taste have changed a lot. I had someone who loved gin n tonics get one at a very high end restaurant(pre-pandemic), and they commented it was the best one they had tasted and let me taste it. It was so good I ordered one. I have learned that a very good dry gin tastes can be very refreshing. I have also learned to retry drinks and food of things I hated when I was younger. I now eat several things I went many years were I would not eat at all. Don't close your mine to retrying stuff.
Another great video. Regarding the comments made near the end of the video. As tried and trusted most established brands are, here in coastal Victoria we have access to products from some of the best independent breweries, winemakers, and distilleries in Australia. Sometimes you’ll find a something that doesn’t suit your tastes but it still feels good to support a local business and to try something new. I know I’d much rather throw my support behind a bloke and his family that I occasionally see around than a massive corporate entity without a face. Cheers!
Here, here!
I love gin, especially good gin. That blueberry gin sounds amazing. Dying to try this with some of my Japanese gins, and maybe swapping in yuzu for the lime.
The more powerful bouquet of yuzu should be a big plus
Julie looks wonderful and the drink looks good.
This drink is mentioned in Postern of Fate, one of Agatha Christie's later books.
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I felt very called out when Glen pointed *at me* (a non-Gin person) and said "I know who you are"... But then he said "you tell me every video" and I've never done that.. Phew, I've dodged Glen's wrath! [...Oh wait, did I just tell him with this comment? Aack!]
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I recently bought a Japanese gin that was just *awful* in a martini but quite good in a gimlet or G&T 🤷🏻♂️
Do you remember when you were a teenager and sneaked some booze from your Dad's bar and later got violently ill, scarring you for life and leading you to hates it forever, precious? That was me and London Dry Gin.
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Gin is my favorite spirit...
I NEED to see your cookbook library so bad. I need to see if you've done a video about it.
I live in the Austin TX area. There are TONS of distilleries and wineries in this area. I could try a different one every day. There are some absolutely amazing spirits.
The first paragraph of the Forward is quite humorous. 😮
I love gin. Really like the juniper flavour. Especially paired with citrus like grapefruit.
Gin is actually my favorite spirit, so I’m making this one tonight. Also, I am so happy there’s no egg white 🤮 When I was a kid my mom always ordered a Pink Lady when the family went out to dinner. Seemed so feminine and elegant. I’ve always wanted to order one, but most recipes I’ve seen call for egg white. Thanks-love your channel.
Sounds like you need to do a drink matrix like on how to drink. It would be interesting to see recipe matrices from time to time, especially when your eyes light up during a taste test.
In my limited experience, most folks who don't like an alcohol type were given something that the other person didn't care if they liked. I have seen a whiskey snob pressure a friend of ours into trying Laphroaig as his first scotch. He was later flabbergasted to learn that not all scotch tasted like seaweed smoked over tar. (His words.)
Another wonderful vid! Thanks for encouraging local and having fun experimenting!
Just gave it a whirl. 6 O'clock Gin from Bristol, Triple sec and lime juice. A bit tart but bloody lovely. I can see that being a firm favourite going forward, Thanks.
This is the first time I have heard of lime juice being used, I only knew of lemon being used. I love this cocktail for summer.
I just discovered this cocktail recently and absolutely love it! ❤️
Classic daisy (sour sweetened with liqueur).
Add a dash of Ango & orange bitters & you have a Pegu Club Daisy.
Reduce the lime to about 2.5 ml, stir it, & it's a Pegu Club Cocktail.
I do like Gin, but have learned some things about it I didn't know. I thought gin was just gin. I knew I liked Tanqueray best (on the rocks, 2or 3 green olives), but just thought it was a better distillation process. Hadn't realized there were so many possible differences, based on intended character or style. I shall look at different gins now to broaden my scope. Thanks for this enlightenment. I hope you saw your dentist about your TMJ issue.
I knew you both would like this one because you both like gin. Interesting even to me a non-drinker. Of course 50 years ago I had some gin cocktails. So I know what gin is like. But as you point out, so many variations in ingredients can result in a completely different taste and experience. Thanks for your nightly entertainment (lately), Glen. - Marilyn
I love gin drinks -especially in the summer. We have a distillery in Denver that makes beautiful gin! Deviation Distillery. Each gin varietal imparts a unique influence to the cocktail created with it. I do love a good greyhound or salty dog-this version of white lady will surely be a go-to. Thanks for sharing this one!
I love how you encourage people to step away from the big brands and search for local brews
I don't know if I like gin... Never drink it. I think one of the cocktails I used to drink had gin in it. At my favorite pub 30 years ago. They called it 'hot lips' and it was brought over from a holiday destination. I don't remember exactly but ai think it was, gin, crème the cassis and southern comfort, filled up with 7up ( lemony sodadrink)
I'm more of a wodkaperson now. So, more wodkaacocktails please haha.
One of my favorite gins is made in a distillery a few blocks from my house. Mmmmmm delicious gin.
Enthusiasts cocktails guy from Montreal here. I am glad you are featuring Madison Park dry gin. It is my go to for cocktails. Always good.
This was a lovely tasting cocktail, thank u! I will try with my blue gin.
I love gin. This sounds like a wonderful a
drink.
💯 % agree gin can vary so much in flavours with all the small artisanal distillers out there. Even amongst your favourite Dillon's there is variety in style and flavour. I like gin club here.
I love your thoughtful tastings and analysis.
Quaglino’s still exists. Giovanni Quaglino wrote a book (The Complete Hostess) published in 1935. And it contains a recipe for the White Lady - with lemon juice!
Gin is my drink choice always~
Thanks for the great video, it would be interesting to see you do a version of a drink from one of your books and the current day version of that drink, or maybe a cocktail with versions from a few different point in time to see how it's changed over the years.
One of the most unique Canadian gins I've tried is the Empress 1908 gin. I recommend it if you can find it out east.
This does sound refreshing and ideal for a day that’s expected to hit 115 F.
My mother-in-law loved gin. She always brought a couple of bottles of it with her whenever she traveled.
😆 I like the way she rolled. Maybe I need to start doing that every day.
My favorite summer cocktail is an original 1919 White Lady which was created in 1919 by Harry MacElhone, at Ciro’s Club in London. In 1929 he created the other recipe at his own Harry’s New York bar in Paris replacing Triple Sec by Cointreau and Crème de Menthe by Gin. I ptrefer the lighter, lower alcohol 1919 White Lady as it reminds me of an adult mint lemonade.
That story about Harry inventing this drink is cut and pasted across multiple websites - I tend to believe that Harry didn't invent the cocktail that I made here - Even if he did invent a White Lady cocktail, he stuck to his guns with the Crème de Menthe and Brandy recipe to the bitter end.
I have several printings of Harry's cocktail books from his earliest to the last ones printed in the 1950s and they all have the exact same White Lady Cocktail:
1/6 Brandy
1/6 Crème de Menthe
⅔ Cointreau
As you can see Harry's cocktail is a completely different cocktail, and if he ever came around to Gin, Cointreau, and lemon juice it wasn't reflected in any of his cocktail books (that I own or can find in libraries or collections). Even other bartenders who worked with Harry at Ciro's in London (Jimmy for example) give a version of the White Lady with 'Harry's ingredients" but different proportions:
1 part Crème de Menthe
4 parts Cointreau
1 part Brandy
They write about the two cocktails being two completely different drinks, that were unfortunately named the same thing.
In the end Cointreau wasn't subbed in for Triple Sec - Cointreau IS a triple sec liqueur and for years it was printed on their label, until the makers wanted to elevate their brand and through marketing took the same liqueur they always made and tried to take it 'upscale' by dropping the triple sec moniker and confusing the marketplace.
@@GlenAndFriendsCooking Thanks for the indepth reply- always happy to learn well sourced information. Just one of the reasons I love your channel.
Gin is something I have to be in the right mood to drink. If I'm in the right mood, and if it's part of a cocktail like this one, I'm totally there! I also agree with supporting artisinal brands. There's a distillery around an hour from where I live that makes absinthe. I haven't had an excuse to go up there (I don't drink a lot of alcohol because I'm small, trying to lose weight, and have to watch my blood sugar), but if I get the chance, I DEFINITELY want to buy some of their stuff!
Just for the record, I adore GIN!
Never used to like gin until I met my current significant other. He totally introduced me to many types of gin and I totally agree that each one has its own elegance and flavor! Going to try this version of the White Lady! Sounds delicious!
The beauty of craft liquors is that the smaller distilleries offer samples or tastings, reasonably priced, so you can try before you buy. Alas, most of our locals make vodka, limoncello and moonshine only. I’d love to try an artisanal gin. I do have some Amaretto made in New Hampshire though!
Just made it and this is a nice drink.
It seems like it should be a well known classic but I’ve never heard of it before
Looks very nice 🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴👍🏻
Well I will say I love gin. So now you know 😉 and supporting local distilleries is a fun way to explore options.
Totally asking my bar tender to make this
I had a bad experience with lemon gin as a teenager and haven’t been able to drink it since. Fast forward a few decades and I tried Lucky Bastard Gambit Gin from Lucky bastard Distillers in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. It is a very smooth and flavourful gin. Like you said they are a small distillery and their products are very good. If you can get it out there you should defiantly give some of their products a try.
prohibition ended in the US in 1933, thats probably why the author is saying 'if you can get a hold of any' about the Cointreau at a guess
A number of Oregon distillers make small batch gins.
I immediately made one for myself. I enjoyed it very much, but this is basically a margarita with gin instead of Tequila.
I have a gin drink I love. I use Cranberry gin 1 oz, one small can Agave tonic and a squeeze/ slice of lime. I put one Ice cube in.
I like gin but I didn't know until I tried something different from Beefeater, which is absolutely heinous. I like piney and citrusy gins
I love gin. Something about it brings out the best in just about any kind of citrus flavor. Definitely going to give that white lady spec a shot as I'm not fond of egg in my drink.
I adore gin and love that you feature so many gin cocktails! And I have the Dillons rye gin (and rye vodka) on hand *specifically* for the Godfrey’s Corpse Reviver from this channel and in that drink it’s amazing. But… in any other gin cocktail I can’t stand the rye-based gin. Just not for me. :)
I like gin. I'd like to try this one.
I like gin and I have Cointreau so I'm going to try this.
Looks great.
Very interesting! I'm really more of a wine person, but I'm a foodie at heart, so all this talk about local producers and the variability of flavor is intriguing to me. I think I'll start trying a gin or two outside the corporate sphere. I'd love to find the blueberry one(48 Chemin Price) here in Pennsylvania USA, but I'll take your advice and try to find something artisanal. Thanks guys!
I love gin, keep them coming
Love love love gin! But not in a I'm a total lush way. So many variations to try. It really loves to be mixed up into a cocktail, and I've converted more than one person with something like a Jasmine, or a Last Word. Haters - give it a try in a citrusy cocktail - like the White Lady. I think a lot of folks have only had mediocre London Dry style in something like a Martini or G&T, and that's why they don't care for it. And, as full disclosure - I'm not a fan of the cucumber, rose, lavender & etc. gins. But, that is the beauty of it, so many types for so many tastes.
Loved this video! Was surprised to hear that there are gin haters out there since I have always been so fond of it in martinis! It could have to do with me not being able to drink dark liquors also so anything with clear like Tequila....Gin and Vodka are my favorites! Thanks for the new cocktail 🍸 to try!
Funny I had just made a Blue Gin Fizz for myself, pretty close... and btw I love gins.
You need to check out Glacier 45 distillery in Baker City, Oregon. Artisan distillery - amazing.
I love gin and I love your recipes. Are you out of the northern gin, the yellow one?
Speaking of artisanal brands I enjoy Barreling Tide gin from Port Williams NS. There are some great distilled products in Nova Scotia now.
hear hear! try local, enjoy local! or non local.. ! Glen will need the NSLC to ship :-)
Going to try this with Brockman’s Gin which has a Cassis flavour.
Honestly, I really don't ever want to be on the receiving end of that pointing finger! 🤣
Lmao, that Eminem reference in the title!
Another great video! FYI: liquor may have been hard to acquire because of Prohibition, when all alcohol was banned by Constitutional Amendment.
Oh yeah - not being American I often forget about the laws south of the border.
When it comes to gin, I have tried most of the usual suspects. I have tried one or two of the newer offerings. What works for me in a gin and tonic doesn't please as well in a martini. I wouldn't want too many botanicals in the gin for this White Lady due to the Cointreau and lime juice.
I think people that say they don't like Gin generally refer to the straight London Dry Gin's out there of the cheaper kind. There can be a massive difference
So that's the Steele Dossier!
I would love to see you make an Aviation cocktail. One of my favorite early ones.
Love gin and I think I’ll like this recipe.
My tastebuds just don’t get vodka though. So would you be able to do something educational about the various vodkas?
In the Robertson Davies novel Leaven of Malice, a silly but well-intentioned young couple serves party guests Concord Grape juice spiked with gin. I wonder how bad that is.
I like Genever gin. Dry gin, not so much.
Amy recommended gins in NYC? I lived across a great beer brewery (kings) that was literally in a warehouse a block from where I lived! I'm in a new part of the city now and need a gin place!
We, almost everyone I know are not gin drinkers. It has never been explained or demonstrated like you have here. It may be time to drink outside the box and start tasting gins. To keep the cost down I think I'll start with a few of those one shot bottles of differant gins.
Thank you for my new adventure.
Gin is the only alcohol I consume. Idk how people dislike it
Agree. I can’t drink scotch, which my parents preferred
I don't like gin, unless I have used a citrus juice. Then gin works well. Also try grapefruit juice in your gin cocktail.
I love going to the SAQ and trying out new gins. Distillerie du Fjord 48 Chemin Price is one I haven’t tried. I’m not sure if a more citrusy Gin like the St-Laurent Citrus or the 3 Lacs Citron Tournesol would’ve been too overpowering.
Any chance we could get a mojito or a mojito type of cocktail video?? Thanks!
Love gin.
I LIKE GIN!
I've never had gin so idk if I would like it or not. I do know of a gin you might want to see if you can get your hands on. We can't it shipped to my state of South Dakota, it's James May's Asian Parsnip gin. He has a website for it.
love gin
I wonder how that would go with lychee instead of the lime.. I think it would be a whiter cocktail with maybe a creamier mouth feel?
I really disliked Gin until about a decade ago when I was at a small tasting booth and sampled, against my reservations, a small batch gin made in the Hudson Valley New York. Love gin now, but not from the huge producers. It's the strong juniper berry flavor that I hate.
One gin that I normally drink straight up - Roku Gin from Japan.
This seems like a close relative of the Pegu Club minus the bitters.
My new favourite after work cocktail! 🎉. Like it with Lime or Lemon. With our without an egg white.
I hate gin when I was younger. I've grown to like it. Some bad gins taste like you're drinking an after shave, but there are great ones out there.
I love gin!!
I love a classic pink gin cocktail.
2 ounces gin
3 to 4 dashes Angostura Bitters
Lemon twist, for garnish
Or as I call it, vodka they screwed up.
I wonder if a flavored vodka sans juniper berries wouldn't work just as well.
@@quintessenceSL That's the reason I don't like Gin, the juniper berries. I'll have to take Glenn's advise and hunt down some local gin.
@@travisadams4470 I think you could dribble in some absinthe if you wanted some herbal notes.
Call it the White Goddess.
Adding egg white and or cream would make it more analogous to the way a Pink Lady is made.
Well now I don't about you but when the weather is warm 25 and above it's "gin silly season".
I don't remember where I gathered this information, but
"In 1919, in London's Ciro's Club, bartender Harry MacElhone created the first White Lady, initially using white crème de menthe instead of gin. Four years later, when MacElhone was the owner of Harry's New York Bar, he modified the recipe, this time using equal parts gin, citrus liqueur and lemon juice."
That's a little tidbit that's cut and pasted across multiple websites - I tend to believe that Harry didn't invent the cocktail - but if he did, he stuck to his guns with the Crème de Menthe to the bitter end.
I have several printings of Harry's cocktail books with the last ones printed in the 1950s and they all have the exact same White Lady Cocktail:
1/6 Brandy
1/6 Crème de Menthe
⅔ Cointreau
It's a completely different cocktail, and if he ever came around to Gin, Cointreau, and lemon juice it wasn't reflected in any of his cocktail books (that I own).
The Quaglinos London connection is pretty credible given their prestige.
He was pointing at me.
Gin Taste Like Christmas Tree Water But I Have Been Trying Different Brands.
Maybe you can spend a little time explaining the way liquor is retailed in Canada Ontario vs Quebec. I think US residents would be interested. I myself live in Chicago but I have often been to liquor stores in Ontario and I know there are liquors you can not get in Ontario stores that you can get in Quebec stores. Ice cider for instance (similar to ice wine). Added to all that is the government control of liquor stores in provinces. Anyway just a thought for a little “did you know” video. Maybe it’s a subject you may not want to get into, but …
I'm one who doesn't like gin, because I can't stand the taste of juniper. And because juniper is THE foundational and essential flavour of gin, I'm never going to care for it. I will say that at least botanical gins don't make me want to hurl my glass against the wall, as London dry gins do.
Ok I'm that person, yet I know I like Hayman's Old Tom...it's the "aqua velva" note that puts me off. Now to go gin tasting. Thanks!