You people being defensive about Morrison clearly didn't understand Zappa's point. He wasn't criticizing Morrison or his poetry. He was pointing out that the music spoke for itself and that all the absurd over-analysis of Morrison's poetry is irrelevant. He didn't say Morrison wrote "Light My Fire". He's saying that the music is an end in itself and requires no analysis to be grasped. Stop being pointlessly defensive and remove your blinders.
Thanks for uploading this. I've read some disparaging comments about Cavett's interviewing skills in these 3 Parts..but I really enjoyed this and Cavett got one of the best interviews I've seen from Frank.
Indeed. Admittedly, I'm a huge fan of Zappa's music, but I agree with him completely on issues such as these. Also, I've grown quite fond of watching the Dick Cavett show here on RUclips. I wish we could have engaging TV like his show these days.
he really throws some lines into this that are great. "And that's another reason why I can't get any songs on the radio". I may not be worthy of being listened to when I say this but Frank you truly were a genius.
That was incredibly creepy when I was typing ''The Door Jim Morrison Interview'' in the RUclips search bar, Zappa started to talk the 'Lizard King' himself a few seconds later
Thank you so much for sharing this show with us. It's so sad that Frank's no longer with us. While watching the show I kept telling myself, Oh, how I wish he was alive! I have so many things to ask him and talk to him about.
A difficult artist to sum up in one sound bite -- he didn't fit so he made his own room and his Peaches en Regalia masterpiece will live through the ages.
Zappa was a very intelligent guy and this is a great interview. His viewpoints and thoughts were always interesting. I agree with much of what he said even though I sometimes found his music to be mean-spirited, lyric -wise.
pne of the only contemporary shows to match the 'one guest per show' format is Tavis Smiley's on PBS. I like hearing someone being able to answer more than a single question at a time.
Zappa was so jealous of Jim Morrison because Zappa wanted to be Morrison. When The Doors were writing and performing some of the greatest music in American history Frank Zappa was busy recording burps, farts and people screaming set to synthesizers (there is nothing wrong with that) and passing it off as music. Zappa isn't in the same league as Jim Morrison and never will be.
Little old lady. If you want a change of mind watch an interview with Cavett and his good friend Eddie Murphy. Murphy tells some crazy stories about the little old lady!
Cavett was usually so comfortable engaging his guests in conversation. With Zappa, he seemed distinctly ill at ease. Not that Frank was helpful here. Frank didn't "do" conversation. He offered his opinion, or just simply gave you an answer. He wasn't inviting a back-and-forth discussion....
Thanks for the nice reply. Come on over, we'll fire one up right now, put on Zappa's London Symphony recordings, and discuss the amazing modes communication found in the world of mollusks.
@GaryNull And you got this information about a link between coffee and cigarette intake and prostate cancer from where? Because I'm pretty sure that it is not backed up by any scientific data. In fact, by doing a quick search, I found information on several studies concluding that cigarettes are not related to prostate cancer, and that an occasional cup of coffee can actually REDUCE the risk of prostate cancer. But obviously you had something to say, I'm probably just not picking it up.
@7Beyonder How is it an appreciation page? It's an interview that has been uploaded to a public media forum. Anyone can view it if they please. I chose to out of curiosity.
Think its around 78'. Thats when Sheik came out, the album which features Jewish Princess. Baby Snakes was released in 79' I believe, so somewhere in there. (Both of those things are mentioned at the beginning of the segment)
You're forgetting that Cavett and Zappa are on a thing called Television, where you have to contemplate the comprehension of millions of other people before launching into a lengthy, detailed discussion of any given subject, or else you'll catch hell from the network for fucking their ratings that night. Anyway, the implied comparison to Bernstien is spot on - To this day, "Stravinsky-meets-R&B" could be only one of two things: "West Side Story" or Zappa.
@narozzz - Speaking personally, in my experience with that substance, the sore throat definitely happens, but it doesn't persist long and it's almost impossible to notice more than 10-15 minutes in; I never, ever, EVER get sleepy, in fact I'm about ten times more wakeful, almost like I'm on some kind of psychedelic version of ritalin; it doesn't make me more social or more introverted altogether - it instead causes me to alternate from one to the other to extreme degrees, even minutes at a time.
@GaryNull -------I've never heard anything about what Frank ate, but if you look at any of his biographies, it should tell you that the toxic chemicals in the air were pretty hazardous to his health. He had health issues for years, starting with his exposure to Radium and mustard gas as a child. His family moved from Europe because if they didn't, Frank would've died. He kept up his "lifestyle" for at least 20 years, and he ended up with prostate cancer, which is caused by something else.
@MrDrProfessorJrMD Cavet was not aware of the Lizard King (Morrison) which answers your question. Cavet was an intellectual who had these people on due to their popularity.
@MrWrestlefan91 -----Actually, I heard him in an interview, he said he got the idea for that song from the road manager. He'd leave the bathroom and go "Frank, why does it hurt when I pee?"
Of course there are plenty of stoners who get totally wasted all the time and act stoned; the ones we don't know about are those who don't make it obvious like your classmates. There are lots of people who look and act straight, don't forget what they are doing while in the middle of it, and get mildly high to enhance their enjoyment of work, creative pursuits, etc. And others who are never stoned in public, but quietly enjoy it at home. It takes all kinds.
LSD is the only one I know of. The CIA did numerous tests of it, sometimes on subjects who did not realize they were being experimented on, sometimes with tragic results. Look up MK-Ultra. Timothy Leary did one of the studies of LSD and later helped popularize the drug.
i'm not defending Misterioso, but you don't know very well The Doors work, wich is not only about music it was about poetry, theatre, musical experiments, and Jim's books, you're right, Morrison never learned to play an instrument, he said "i don't have the sensibility", but he sure had talent to write poetry and made songs with it, so only because this dude said shit about Zappa, doesn't mean you should talk shit about Jim or the other 3 Doors, wich each one made some great music going solo
i remember sometime during the 90s frank was rumored to be thinking about running for president.....around the time he was sparring with tipper about censorship.....i think i remember stating that i would definetley vote for him......the man who ran the utility muffin research kitchen also running the country??.......
when you make Art of any kind expect criticism. Its just the way things are. People don't always like what you create and have a right to voice that. It makes things interesting at the very least. Not to say that I don't have the utmost respect for zappa but I do always have a few things to say about the doors
1:20 Actually we don't live in an industrial society anymore. We live in an informational society now. Because of technology, streaming media and availability of it all, we are changing for the better. POP Music now doesn't have that "supersonic symbolism" anymore. Partly because most music today sucks but also because good music is mostly underground.
Love Zappa but yes the lizard king shit I just ignore about Morrisons persona and legend. The lore isn't why I think the Doors wrote amazing music and Morrison does in fact have some deep lyrics at times. He also had a sense of humor and had nonsense lyrics in some of his songs. No the doors aren't something you "outgrow" unless you liked them for the wrong reasons to begin with. I didn't take offense to what Zappa said just like when he said the Beatles only had three good songs in his opinion. The only thing dissapointing about Zappa's legacy is at times he condemns the free spirited nihilism he so boldy and geniusly represented himself in his own way. But it's all love
@nickwade1 Frank's not being hypocritical here because his anti-drug stance was referring to psychoactive stimulants and depressants like cocaine or pot commonly taken "en grupo" at social gatherings, parties, concerts, etc. He did not consider the relatively mild stimulants nicotine and caffeine to be drugs - he considered them 'foods'. Medically speaking of course you are right. But to say Frank is hypocritical is wrong, as his intended meaning is, and has been, clearly evident to his fans
On the other hand;and i'm not making an equivalency,here,but Frank was addicted to "straight man's" dope.......... Nicotine and caffeine. I'm a big fan of his,but i feel a need to point this out,nonetheless.
but its different, believe me. look; i´ve been a heavy pot smoker for more than a decade, and because of that, i know that frank is right, as usual. i lost many good years; i earned and achieved good experiences too that way, but basically i walked a step backward in a general way (and hung out with really, really the wrong friends). and i remember very little of that decade, really. i know what he means, and he´s damn RIGHT. now; (...)
@Nautilus1972 I agree. Musical tastes isn't what my comment was about. He hated the way Morrison's image was and publicly demeaned that many times. Seems like waste. But i guess he needed an example
+Sam Spade It could be that, or could be that some of Frank's fans didn't like the interview because Dick was clearly so uncomfortable, didn't really know anything about Frank, and hence conducted a rather stiff and painful interview that never went deeper than very broad. bland questions, like "so you don't like drugs; why not?", and "what about dirty words?", questions that could put anyone really interested in what makes Frank tick, to sleep. Frank himself complained about the fact that tv interviewers were typically clueless and cited his interview with Cavett as the worst one in that regard; Dick knew nothing about him.
+Greg Vinson Actually, I think it's one of the better FZ interviews around (I collect 'em). I find the questions okay, the responses better, and the resulting dialogue fascinating. I don't get the beef w/ Cavett at all, but I think it's yours, and not particularly Frank's.
JosephHF Sorry but I'm unmotivated to look for the quote; you might be able to Google it if you're interested. But I can assure you, the attitude isn't mine; I always like Cavett, and was surprised also when Frank said that interview was the worst, and that Dick appeared to know nothing about him. But once he pointed it out, I can see why he found it irritating; the questions are those of someone whose knowledge about Frank was confined to the obvious stuff that made headlines; like the "dirty words" in his lyrics. I don't even blame Cavett; he had more than one guest to worry about, and it's understandable if he had nothing but the most casual awareness of some of them, including Frank; it's just the way the game is set up, which is why shows with a more narrow focus are sometimes so much more insightful; especially if the interviewer has a passionate interest in their subject.
It definitely didn't help, but I don't know if it was the soul cause. He had a lot of people making him musically miserable, like Tipper Gore and the PMRC. He was on many black lists and I'm sure that can make life very, very hard.
@narozzz - so in a sense I relate to Zappa's confusion because my experiences -though more conducive to intentional repeat exposures to the substance - are, like his, extremely rare and thus not easily relatable to the average use, whom I, like Zappa (though for a different reason), generally regard as something like a human-size, slightly-more-coherent-than-you'd-expect, walking, talking vegetable.
@TouchingYou I like Zappa, he was creative and genuinely eccentric but unfortunately he could be rather petty in his satirical portrayals of other musicians, particularly The Doors. Read up on the subject and you will find out what I'm referring to.
Don't tell me what I've listened to and what I haven't. I have listened to the majority of Zappa's discography. Your assessment of Morrison's abilities is simply a defense mechanism to validate your delusional loyalty to Frank Zappa. You don't need to play an instrument to be a musician as long as you surround yourself with people who can. Writing and vocals are equally important to musical contribution. Integrity is not valued by popularity or financial success.
@Misterioso You know no one is commissioning to perform Morrison's music. And if you think conducting is just "swinging your arms slightly"...then obviously you have no knowledge of music theory. Conductors have to memorize entire scores, keep consistent time signatures and have almost perfect intonation. All of the conductors I mentioned, are also world class composers, particulary Pierre Boulez. Yea, you are starting to sound like a Morrison fan,. Totally oblivious.
Light My Fire was not writtin by 'THE LIZARD KING' it was written by Robby Krieger. I like Frank Zappa but wtf?! Jim Morrison was one of the greatest American singers and poet of all times. Hasnt Zappa ever listened to The End?
His statement at 1:02 is so prophetic - corporate America took rock and roll for it's own purpose. Music now has a purpose, to sell crap to people who are susceptible to advertizing. And his statement about language at 3:26 - and in 40 years we haven't grown up enough as a nation yet to accept words for what they are and not fear language or thoughts or ideas. Zappa said once that 'they' want to turn America into a nation of check mailing nincompoops...and it looks like 'they' have succeeded
Oh yes, I'm quite sure it can go COMPLETELY *cough* undetected for LENGHTY periods of time...dude, I went to art school. I knows a chronic when I sees one, mmkay?
(..) if you really listened to zappa, and saw the whole bunch of interviews of his around, you´ll know what he thought about the whole thing, which is not something "police-like" at all, and its basically what i also (humblely) think, and that is, "i dont do drugs, but defend the right for others to do it".-
Actually he didn't laugh at Morrison, instead he showed profuse jealousy towards his accomplishments. At one point Zappa's label tried to sign The Doors but when they instead signed with Elektra Zappa threw a tantrum and proceeded to satire their work and critique Morrison long after his death. Frank Zappa was creative but I don't feel he was true to his intentions like Jim. Zappa may have spoke highly of liberal philosophy & helped fight censorship but when it came time to live this reality...
@WalterLiddy Music requires human consciousness to even be enjoyed much less grasped. If it didn't then apes would enjoy music. To be grasped it absolutely requires analysis. It's analysis that discovers components of musical language used by a composer that give it true quality. Music is directly related to human consciousness & developed along with it. Ultimately what's valuable in music is what benefits the human psych not how many people 'enjoy' a certain type of it like Pavlov's dogs.
Gustav Adamas I do believe that these interviews of Frank Zappa on You Tube are the things that are keeping him alive rather than his music. People are intrigued by him. He was so unusual in the rock scene, and in my opinion, stood head and shoulders intellectually above the others.
Zappa commented on the lizard king because of all this worship, adulation and over-analysis of his work. I must agree with him, and I really don't see much in Morrison besides a reckless drunk. Morrison was not really a very likeable person. But for some reason we have all sorts of people that did not even grow up in the sixties saying that he is god! That is a load of bull.
@Killbombr nah I really don't dislike him at all. He didn't like the Beatles but loved the Rolling Stones. He liked one band but not the other. Having an opinion like that doesn't bother me. He probably had some sense of respect for Doors music but just hated the way Jim Morrison was being portrayed. Seems like a waste of time to demean someone because of that. It's all good though. He talks shit about Jim (not the Doors) in other interviews.
Frank: you were very linear and logical;and people such as yourself, don't often get anything out of getting stoned. also,even if lyrics don't intend to mean anything,that doesn't of necessity mean, that they may not have unconscious unintended meaning. you were brilliant, but you were a bit of a stiff as well.
The Doors made great music, the Mothers and the Doors were SO different, but both tried to experience new sounds, yes, you CAN hear Doors music in orchestras, i can assure you that, you just have to take a look, while Zappa is respected by serious musicians, Jim is respected by serious writers even on these days, my point is that Misterioso is way out of line, and i'm a huge Doors fan, but i think so are you out of line
You people being defensive about Morrison clearly didn't understand Zappa's point. He wasn't criticizing Morrison or his poetry. He was pointing out that the music spoke for itself and that all the absurd over-analysis of Morrison's poetry is irrelevant. He didn't say Morrison wrote "Light My Fire". He's saying that the music is an end in itself and requires no analysis to be grasped. Stop being pointlessly defensive and remove your blinders.
yeah why would he say Morrison wrote "Light My Fire" when it was Robby Krieger who wrote it
Thanks for uploading this. I've read some disparaging comments about Cavett's interviewing skills in these 3 Parts..but I really enjoyed this and Cavett got one of the best interviews I've seen from Frank.
People, don't forget that Zappa wanted to produce The Doors for a first record, before Jac Holzman, president of Elektra Records, discovered them.
miss you frank!
you were truly ahead of your time and gone way too soon.
🎸🎼🎵🎶
Never get tired of listening Mr. Zappa I sure do miss him.
Frank...the world needs you more than ever. Great interview. Thanx for posting
Indeed. Admittedly, I'm a huge fan of Zappa's music, but I agree with him completely on issues such as these. Also, I've grown quite fond of watching the Dick Cavett show here on RUclips. I wish we could have engaging TV like his show these days.
That was great cheers and well done Betamax for preserving history.
A real delight..thanks for putting this up
That closing music was rather eerie.
YOU ARE RIGHT DAMM GOOD INTERVVIEW, FRANK ZAPPA ONE OF MY FAVERET CONSERVATIVE
Thanks for posting this - first time I've seen it. Great interview and a great man.
he really throws some lines into this that are great. "And that's another reason why I can't get any songs on the radio". I may not be worthy of being listened to when I say this but Frank you truly were a genius.
I like that he let his guests talk...and the early days when he'd have Lester Maddox and Jim Brown on the same panel...now THAT was classic!
Laughed out loud a few times.. awesome. :D
he also used the bass-line to Light My Fire on You Are What You Is (You Just got Drafted)
Frank is the man. I'd love to interview him but I'd be scared to death. He could tear you a new one...
That was incredibly creepy when I was typing ''The Door Jim Morrison Interview'' in the RUclips search bar, Zappa started to talk the 'Lizard King' himself a few seconds later
Thank you so much for sharing this show with us. It's so sad that Frank's no longer with us. While watching the show I kept telling myself, Oh, how I wish he was alive! I have so many things to ask him and talk to him about.
A difficult artist to sum up in one sound bite -- he didn't fit so he made his own room and his Peaches en Regalia masterpiece will live through the ages.
Zappa was a very intelligent guy and this is a great interview. His viewpoints and thoughts were always interesting. I agree with much of what he said even though I sometimes found his music to be mean-spirited, lyric -wise.
Frank, I would have loved to know you as a person and musician!...
On the one hand kudos to Cavett - he got the guy to appear. But - ooo, is he really careful to steer to the 'safe places'...
I'm sure we would. We missed you last night, but we took a couple extra puffs in your honor. ;)
Dammit! If only Zappa's wise, intelligent hatred of drugs had included tobacco.
It is a vegetable
pne of the only contemporary shows to match the 'one guest per show' format is Tavis Smiley's on PBS. I like hearing someone being able to answer more than a single question at a time.
Hahaha, the credits music is a muzak version of "Glitter and Be Gay" from Bernstein's Candide.
Zappa was so jealous of Jim Morrison because Zappa wanted to be Morrison. When The Doors were writing and performing some of the greatest music in American history Frank Zappa was busy recording burps, farts and people screaming set to synthesizers (there is nothing wrong with that) and passing it off as music. Zappa isn't in the same league as Jim Morrison and never will be.
Thats a new one .. frank wanted to be Morrison .. yes of course i can see the resemblance !!
Dick Cavett was a real achievement---giving an intellectual impression while remaining a little old lady.
+37Dionysos intellectual yes- little old lady? i disagree
Little old lady. If you want a change of mind watch an interview with Cavett and his good friend Eddie Murphy. Murphy tells some crazy stories about the little old lady!
Cavett was usually so comfortable engaging his guests in conversation. With Zappa, he seemed distinctly ill at ease. Not that Frank was helpful here. Frank didn't "do" conversation. He offered his opinion, or just simply gave you an answer. He wasn't inviting a back-and-forth discussion....
Thanks for the nice reply. Come on over, we'll fire one up right now, put on Zappa's London Symphony recordings, and discuss the amazing modes communication found in the world of mollusks.
Best thing Dick cavat ever did
@GaryNull And you got this information about a link between coffee and cigarette intake and prostate cancer from where? Because I'm pretty sure that it is not backed up by any scientific data. In fact, by doing a quick search, I found information on several studies concluding that cigarettes are not related to prostate cancer, and that an occasional cup of coffee can actually REDUCE the risk of prostate cancer. But obviously you had something to say, I'm probably just not picking it up.
@7Beyonder How is it an appreciation page? It's an interview that has been uploaded to a public media forum. Anyone can view it if they please. I chose to out of curiosity.
Zappa didn't smoke weed enough to get high, lol.
But we have to be quiet part of the time because I think Zappa deserves our full attention.
Think its around 78'. Thats when Sheik came out, the album which features Jewish Princess. Baby Snakes was released in 79' I believe, so somewhere in there. (Both of those things are mentioned at the beginning of the segment)
Class-Sick!
You're forgetting that Cavett and Zappa are on a thing called Television, where you have to contemplate the comprehension of millions of other people before launching into a lengthy, detailed discussion of any given subject, or else you'll catch hell from the network for fucking their ratings that night. Anyway, the implied comparison to Bernstien is spot on - To this day, "Stravinsky-meets-R&B" could be only one of two things: "West Side Story" or Zappa.
@Alex11710 he also had gonnorhea, from what i've read, hence "why does it hurt when i pee?"
@narozzz - Speaking personally, in my experience with that substance, the sore throat definitely happens, but it doesn't persist long and it's almost impossible to notice more than 10-15 minutes in; I never, ever, EVER get sleepy, in fact I'm about ten times more wakeful, almost like I'm on some kind of psychedelic version of ritalin; it doesn't make me more social or more introverted altogether - it instead causes me to alternate from one to the other to extreme degrees, even minutes at a time.
@GaryNull -------I've never heard anything about what Frank ate, but if you look at any of his biographies, it should tell you that the toxic chemicals in the air were pretty hazardous to his health. He had health issues for years, starting with his exposure to Radium and mustard gas as a child. His family moved from Europe because if they didn't, Frank would've died. He kept up his "lifestyle" for at least 20 years, and he ended up with prostate cancer, which is caused by something else.
@MrDrProfessorJrMD
Cavet was not aware of the Lizard King (Morrison) which answers your question. Cavet was an intellectual who had these people on due to their popularity.
@GaryNull --------Zappa's cancer was specifically attributed to his exposure to Radium and mustard gas in his youth.
Problem is, Morrison didn't write the lyrics to Light My Fire that's almost the sole Kreiger lyric.
@samuntouchable American Prayer was awesome - Jim was an amazing poet in fairness ...
@MrWrestlefan91 -----Actually, I heard him in an interview, he said he got the idea for that song from the road manager. He'd leave the bathroom and go "Frank, why does it hurt when I pee?"
and smokes!
Of course there are plenty of stoners who get totally wasted all the time and act stoned; the ones we don't know about are those who don't make it obvious like your classmates. There are lots of people who look and act straight, don't forget what they are doing while in the middle of it, and get mildly high to enhance their enjoyment of work, creative pursuits, etc. And others who are never stoned in public, but quietly enjoy it at home. It takes all kinds.
I'd like a marijuana cigarette
What does he mean when he says "chemicals that were originally meant to be used as warfare agents?"
LSD is the only one I know of. The CIA did numerous tests of it, sometimes on subjects who did not realize they were being experimented on, sometimes with tragic results. Look up MK-Ultra. Timothy Leary did one of the studies of LSD and later helped popularize the drug.
i'm not defending Misterioso, but you don't know very well The Doors work, wich is not only about music it was about poetry, theatre, musical experiments, and Jim's books, you're right, Morrison never learned to play an instrument, he said "i don't have the sensibility", but he sure had talent to write poetry and made songs with it, so only because this dude said shit about Zappa, doesn't mean you should talk shit about Jim or the other 3 Doors, wich each one made some great music going solo
Write better, then talk about poetry.
Never liked his music, but I love listening to him talk. He was so intelligent!
@Misterioso Sooooooo......youre at a Zappa appreciation page....for what???
who knows, they say that smoking affects every organ in the body, with impressive evidence
4:39 exactly right
i remember sometime during the 90s frank was rumored to be thinking about running for president.....around the time he was sparring with tipper about censorship.....i think i remember stating that i would definetley vote for him......the man who ran the utility muffin research kitchen also running the country??.......
when you make Art of any kind expect criticism. Its just the way things are. People don't always like what you create and have a right to voice that. It makes things interesting at the very least. Not to say that I don't have the utmost respect for zappa but I do always have a few things to say about the doors
1:20 Actually we don't live in an industrial society anymore. We live in an informational society now. Because of technology, streaming media and availability of it all, we are changing for the better.
POP Music now doesn't have that "supersonic symbolism" anymore. Partly because most music today sucks but also because good music is mostly underground.
Love Zappa but yes the lizard king shit I just ignore about Morrisons persona and legend. The lore isn't why I think the Doors wrote amazing music and Morrison does in fact have some deep lyrics at times. He also had a sense of humor and had nonsense lyrics in some of his songs. No the doors aren't something you "outgrow" unless you liked them for the wrong reasons to begin with. I didn't take offense to what Zappa said just like when he said the Beatles only had three good songs in his opinion. The only thing dissapointing about Zappa's legacy is at times he condemns the free spirited nihilism he so boldy and geniusly represented himself in his own way. But it's all love
@nickwade1 Frank's not being hypocritical here because his anti-drug stance was referring to psychoactive stimulants and depressants like cocaine or pot commonly taken "en grupo" at social gatherings, parties, concerts, etc. He did not consider the relatively mild stimulants nicotine and caffeine to be drugs - he considered them 'foods'. Medically speaking of course you are right. But to say Frank is hypocritical is wrong, as his intended meaning is, and has been, clearly evident to his fans
On the other hand;and i'm not making an equivalency,here,but Frank was addicted to "straight man's" dope.......... Nicotine and caffeine. I'm a big fan of his,but i feel a need to point this out,nonetheless.
Healthy high fiber fart @ 1:19 ??? I love Zappa...
but its different, believe me. look; i´ve been a heavy pot smoker for more than a decade, and because of that, i know that frank is right, as usual. i lost many good years; i earned and achieved good experiences too that way, but basically i walked a step backward in a general way (and hung out with really, really the wrong friends). and i remember very little of that decade, really. i know what he means, and he´s damn RIGHT. now; (...)
@WalterLiddy true, but if watch other interviews he does criticize all that
True .
I remember when I was in high school and thought Jim Morrison was a poet. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it.
What do you mean
I really think he was hip. Good observation
@Lavxtee He wasn't hip, but he was hip to hip ...
@Nautilus1972 I agree. Musical tastes isn't what my comment was about. He hated the way Morrison's image was and publicly demeaned that many times. Seems like waste. But i guess he needed an example
Morrison as profound as a fifteen year old goth kid.
Haaa not even close, Morrison was genius
2 thumbs down??
Musta been when Frank said he thought stuffing stuff up your nose to be cool offended those who partake.
+Sam Spade It could be that, or could be that some of Frank's fans didn't like the interview because Dick was clearly so uncomfortable, didn't really know anything about Frank, and hence conducted a rather stiff and painful interview that never went deeper than very broad. bland questions, like "so you don't like drugs; why not?", and "what about dirty words?", questions that could put anyone really interested in what makes Frank tick, to sleep.
Frank himself complained about the fact that tv interviewers were typically clueless and cited his interview with Cavett as the worst one in that regard; Dick knew nothing about him.
+Greg Vinson Actually, I think it's one of the better FZ interviews around (I collect 'em). I find the questions okay, the responses better, and the resulting dialogue fascinating.
I don't get the beef w/ Cavett at all, but I think it's yours, and not particularly Frank's.
JosephHF Sorry but I'm unmotivated to look for the quote; you might be able to Google it if you're interested. But I can assure you, the attitude isn't mine; I always like Cavett, and was surprised also when Frank said that interview was the worst, and that Dick appeared to know nothing about him.
But once he pointed it out, I can see why he found it irritating; the questions are those of someone whose knowledge about Frank was confined to the obvious stuff that made headlines; like the "dirty words" in his lyrics.
I don't even blame Cavett; he had more than one guest to worry about, and it's understandable if he had nothing but the most casual awareness of some of them, including Frank; it's just the way the game is set up, which is why shows with a more narrow focus are sometimes so much more insightful; especially if the interviewer has a passionate interest in their subject.
I miss Frank Zappa, an honest apolitical clear headed person. The anti-Limbaugh.
It definitely didn't help, but I don't know if it was the soul cause. He had a lot of people making him musically miserable, like Tipper Gore and the PMRC. He was on many black lists and I'm sure that can make life very, very hard.
@Alex11710 didn't know that. thanks. but he did have urinary problems of his own.
@cellardoor199991 I guess it really doesn't matter who Frank liked or didn't like. Musical tastes are individual. He would have, and did say, that.
word
@narozzz - so in a sense I relate to Zappa's confusion because my experiences -though more conducive to intentional repeat exposures to the substance - are, like his, extremely rare and thus not easily relatable to the average use, whom I, like Zappa (though for a different reason), generally regard as something like a human-size, slightly-more-coherent-than-you'd-expect, walking, talking vegetable.
it is sad, the power of words are only recognized by those who have the ordinance of reason through introspection.
@TouchingYou I like Zappa, he was creative and genuinely eccentric but unfortunately he could be rather petty in his satirical portrayals of other musicians, particularly The Doors. Read up on the subject and you will find out what I'm referring to.
how you know that?
Don't tell me what I've listened to and what I haven't. I have listened to the majority of Zappa's discography. Your assessment of Morrison's abilities is simply a defense mechanism to validate your delusional loyalty to Frank Zappa. You don't need to play an instrument to be a musician as long as you surround yourself with people who can. Writing and vocals are equally important to musical contribution. Integrity is not valued by popularity or financial success.
Anyone know the date of this??
1980
@Misterioso You know no one is commissioning to perform Morrison's music. And if you think conducting is just "swinging your arms slightly"...then obviously you have no knowledge of music theory. Conductors have to memorize entire scores, keep consistent time signatures and have almost perfect intonation.
All of the conductors I mentioned, are also world class composers, particulary Pierre Boulez.
Yea, you are starting to sound like a Morrison fan,. Totally oblivious.
Light My Fire was not writtin by 'THE LIZARD KING' it was written by Robby Krieger. I like Frank Zappa but wtf?! Jim Morrison was one of the greatest American singers and poet of all times. Hasnt Zappa ever listened to The End?
His statement at 1:02 is so prophetic - corporate America took rock and roll for it's own purpose. Music now has a purpose, to sell crap to people who are susceptible to advertizing. And his statement about language at 3:26 - and in 40 years we haven't grown up enough as a nation yet to accept words for what they are and not fear language or thoughts or ideas. Zappa said once that 'they' want to turn America into a nation of check mailing nincompoops...and it looks like 'they' have succeeded
Oh yes, I'm quite sure it can go COMPLETELY *cough* undetected for LENGHTY periods of time...dude, I went to art school. I knows a chronic when I sees one, mmkay?
@narozzz *Average FREQUENT user, that is....in fairness.....
but he died from one of the sneakiest drugs of all, nicotene
(..) if you really listened to zappa, and saw the whole bunch of interviews of his around, you´ll know what he thought about the whole thing, which is not something "police-like" at all, and its basically what i also (humblely) think, and that is, "i dont do drugs, but defend the right for others to do it".-
Actually he didn't laugh at Morrison, instead he showed profuse jealousy towards his accomplishments. At one point Zappa's label tried to sign The Doors but when they instead signed with Elektra Zappa threw a tantrum and proceeded to satire their work and critique Morrison long after his death. Frank Zappa was creative but I don't feel he was true to his intentions like Jim. Zappa may have spoke highly of liberal philosophy & helped fight censorship but when it came time to live this reality...
good for you, but its not that way for all of us
@roscolbar he was joking
@WalterLiddy Music requires human consciousness to even be enjoyed much less grasped. If it didn't then apes would enjoy music. To be grasped it absolutely requires analysis. It's analysis that discovers components of musical language used by a composer that give it true quality. Music is directly related to human consciousness & developed along with it. Ultimately what's valuable in music is what benefits the human psych not how many people 'enjoy' a certain type of it like Pavlov's dogs.
I'd listen to jim morison any day over frank sorry, as far as interviews, I pick frank
Nidra Life I like both. Different moods.
Gustav Adamas I do believe that these interviews of Frank Zappa on You Tube are the things that are keeping him alive rather than his music. People are intrigued by him. He was so unusual in the rock scene, and in my opinion, stood head and shoulders intellectually above the others.
LMAO
Zappa commented on the lizard king because of all this worship, adulation and over-analysis of his work. I must agree with him, and I really don't see much in Morrison besides a reckless drunk. Morrison was not really a very likeable person. But for some reason we have all sorts of people that did not even grow up in the sixties saying that he is god! That is a load of bull.
@Killbombr nah I really don't dislike him at all. He didn't like the Beatles but loved the Rolling Stones. He liked one band but not the other. Having an opinion like that doesn't bother me. He probably had some sense of respect for Doors music but just hated the way Jim Morrison was being portrayed. Seems like a waste of time to demean someone because of that. It's all good though. He talks shit about Jim (not the Doors) in other interviews.
Hope one day I might get it right.....Zappa made a mistake on his own lyrics!
Frank: you were very linear and logical;and people such as yourself, don't often get anything out of getting stoned. also,even if lyrics don't intend to mean anything,that doesn't of necessity mean, that they may not have unconscious unintended meaning. you were brilliant, but you were a bit of a stiff as well.
The Doors made great music, the Mothers and the Doors were SO different, but both tried to experience new sounds, yes, you CAN hear Doors music in orchestras, i can assure you that, you just have to take a look, while Zappa is respected by serious musicians, Jim is respected by serious writers even on these days, my point is that Misterioso is way out of line, and i'm a huge Doors fan, but i think so are you out of line