Although Yoshidas style may be uneffective against those chinese machines like Fan Zhendong, I love his way of playing and I love playing it myself ^-^
That ... IS ... different from how I play it ... LoL Guess that's why they call it "Ping Pong" for the likes of me ... ;o) It is really a joy to watch these Pros play! Thanks!
Shuai Robert Interesting! Since I always thought "Ping Pong" was rather derogatory, and derived from the sound the ball makes with every hit back and forth. Of course it much depends on the speed and technic, to give that sound it's "bite" . Definitely a sport to be taken serious, especially when it is performed like here in this impressive video. I sure hope I did not 'offend' you ... and thank you for your 'clarifying' response. Regards from Canada!
it could be derogatory in different regions that's why i felt the need to stop using it that way. anyone who plays is one to be respected regardless of skills. i was not offended and consider your original post very humble and was certain you meant no harm. have fun with it and wish you all the best!
Dude.... Why r people talking bad about kaii ??? If u think u can beat him then go ahead and try ffs..... We know that fzd is better and stronger but dude.... Kaii isn't a bad player, he might not be great but he's pretty good 😊
People like to spread the myth that penhold is not effective and even "ugly". Theoretically, the penhold system has a weak backhand. Therefore, penhold players should be easy prey for the shakehanders, right? Wrong. That is only theory. In practice, the penhold system has proven effective, contrary to the expectation. Shakehanders end up being baffled by the system. And for 60 years -- from Ogimura all the way to Xu Xin -- penholders have ruled the sport. They own majority of the world championships, gold medals, world cups, etc. Even Waldner had a lopsided score against Liu Guoliang (in the 38mm ball era), Ma Lin, Wang Hao, Ryu Seungmin, and even Guo Yuehua (5 years after the latter retired when Waldner was at his peak). There are few young penholders today because of that silly myth, which I am now correcting.
I think people are saying that Japanese penhold is weak and I agree with them. Kim Taeksoo and Ryu seungmin were great Korean players with Jpen but they faced limitation with backhand. Xu Xin, Ma Lin, Wang Hao are/were using Cpen and they do/did have stronger and relatively easier (or ergonomically less awkward) backhand than Jpen.
Don Ryder That's only true in professional level. When you can practice 8 hours every day, penhold or shakehold doesn't really make any difference. But when you are normal people with another job and can only play like 3 hours a week, shakehold is a lot easier to be mastered.
+Don Ryder penhold is great against westerner, i personally have trouble playing good penholder, they have very tricky short games, and if you let them get a good forehand its not coming back. buttttt its very hard to master, especially the backhand, exception like wang hao and xu xin dont count, why? one's a lefty penhold, and ones a natural rpb. a good example is ma lin, you can see that even the great ma lin had his limits with penhold, but he makes up for it with great serves and godly short games
Nope. Just a good-old-fashioned penhold backhand swing(ie. the forehand side). Awkward like hell in my opinion. Probably all speed and little spin. Ryu Seung-min uses it occasionally too.
Also, I think Yoshida is technically a C-pen in terms of paddle. A J-pen paddle would be what the Chinese call "the rectangle" paddle, like what Ryu uses. I would say that he is more J-pen by playing style, as he does a lot more looping than fast attack. So I don't understand why he doesn't just get a J-pen paddle which might be faster and lighter.
TheVampB and as far as I can tell that's a jpen. Its long handled and even has the finger rest on the back with no rubber. It is a bit mor rounded than most jpens tho
If you look close enough, you can see that he was using the forehand side rubber for the traditional back hand attack, no RPB for him. Yoshida is the best one side Cpen player in the world and one of my idol. He is using a Cpen blade made by Butterfly, not Jpen with square handle. He stick a piece of thin white sponge on the back for better grip of blade. Not every player like resting fingers on slippery bare wood.
i asked people in my club who has the same thing, he said penholders often wear through the wood where they rest their supporting fingers on the back of the blade. therefore there are different type of materials(cork, foam, rubber, leather) people use to prevent a hole in the middle of the blade.
@@DE47H Thats just silly. Even if there is wear over time, it will literately take years, even decades of regular wear to have any significant impact to the wood, at which point you can just get a new one. The correct answer is to get a better grip because the fingers that rest on the back side tend to slip alot especially once you start swearting. I know this because I have the same issue. Im also a jpen style player with a cpen paddle.
That`s an unbelievable match, top 10 no doubt.....thanks for uploading.
Although Yoshidas style may be uneffective against those chinese machines like Fan Zhendong, I love his way of playing and I love playing it myself ^-^
How do u Kno his style is ineffective it just seems he makes too many unforced errors
Love Yoshida's style \m/
4:58 - handshake fail
Fan Zhendong is unreal. No way scientifically possible that he is 17.
That ... IS ... different from how I play it ... LoL
Guess that's why they call it "Ping Pong" for the likes of me ... ;o)
It is really a joy to watch these Pros play! Thanks!
ping pong is a legit name, at least in china. we don't need tennis in the name to feel more like a real sport
Shuai Robert
Interesting! Since I always thought "Ping Pong" was rather derogatory, and derived from the sound the ball makes with every hit back and forth. Of course it much depends on the speed and technic, to give that sound it's "bite" . Definitely a sport to be taken serious,
especially when it is performed like here in this impressive video.
I sure hope I did not 'offend' you ... and thank you for your 'clarifying' response.
Regards from Canada!
it could be derogatory in different regions that's why i felt the need to stop using it that way. anyone who plays is one to be respected regardless of skills. i was not offended and consider your original post very humble and was certain you meant no harm. have fun with it and wish you all the best!
Shuai Robert
all is good then ... :o)
mmbmbmbmb 'twas the British who gave this sport such a derogatory name
That handshake though
shakehand
yoshida hasn't even been playing so it's not really due to his J-pen style. he was just under ma lin in his prime
he was never above RSM
Dude.... Why r people talking bad about kaii ??? If u think u can beat him then go ahead and try ffs..... We know that fzd is better and stronger but dude.... Kaii isn't a bad player, he might not be great but he's pretty good 😊
Why fan Zheng vanish china from his T -shirt!???
whatever Kaii does, Fan just attack right back and wins
People like to spread the myth that penhold is not effective and even "ugly". Theoretically, the penhold system has a weak backhand. Therefore, penhold players should be easy prey for the shakehanders, right? Wrong. That is only theory. In practice, the penhold system has proven effective, contrary to the expectation. Shakehanders end up being baffled by the system. And for 60 years -- from Ogimura all the way to Xu Xin -- penholders have ruled the sport. They own majority of the world championships, gold medals, world cups, etc. Even Waldner had a lopsided score against Liu Guoliang (in the 38mm ball era), Ma Lin, Wang Hao, Ryu Seungmin, and even Guo Yuehua (5 years after the latter retired when Waldner was at his peak). There are few young penholders today because of that silly myth, which I am now correcting.
I think people are saying that Japanese penhold is weak and I agree with them. Kim Taeksoo and Ryu seungmin were great Korean players with Jpen but they faced limitation with backhand. Xu Xin, Ma Lin, Wang Hao are/were using Cpen and they do/did have stronger and relatively easier (or ergonomically less awkward) backhand than Jpen.
Don Ryder That's only true in professional level. When you can practice 8 hours every day, penhold or shakehold doesn't really make any difference. But when you are normal people with another job and can only play like 3 hours a week, shakehold is a lot easier to be mastered.
+Don Ryder penhold is great against westerner, i personally have trouble playing good penholder, they have very tricky short games, and if you let them get a good forehand its not coming back. buttttt its very hard to master, especially the backhand, exception like wang hao and xu xin dont count, why? one's a lefty penhold, and ones a natural rpb. a good example is ma lin, you can see that even the great ma lin had his limits with penhold, but he makes up for it with great serves and godly short games
Wowowowowo @1:34, was that a jpen rpb? He doesn't even have rubber on that side does he?
Nope. Just a good-old-fashioned penhold backhand swing(ie. the forehand side). Awkward like hell in my opinion. Probably all speed and little spin. Ryu Seung-min uses it occasionally too.
Also, I think Yoshida is technically a C-pen in terms of paddle. A J-pen paddle would be what the Chinese call "the rectangle" paddle, like what Ryu uses. I would say that he is more J-pen by playing style, as he does a lot more looping than fast attack. So I don't understand why he doesn't just get a J-pen paddle which might be faster and lighter.
TheVampB ahh I see it now. Awkward or not, that was quick as hell
TheVampB and as far as I can tell that's a jpen. Its long handled and even has the finger rest on the back with no rubber. It is a bit mor rounded than most jpens tho
If you look close enough, you can see that he was using the forehand side rubber for the traditional back hand attack, no RPB for him. Yoshida is the best one side Cpen player in the world and one of my idol. He is using a Cpen blade made by Butterfly, not Jpen with square handle. He stick a piece of thin white sponge on the back for better grip of blade. Not every player like resting fingers on slippery bare wood.
this guy is trying to serve like wang hao and xu xin so hard
Nothing wrong with that
The Guy with the penhold grip......why does he have a tissue or something on the bachhand side ?
Probably to rest his fingers on. He's a one sided pen hold player so he never uses the backhand side of the blade.
I think you will not understand penhold players.
Wong Chris Sorry Wong you are the pro you explain then.
i asked people in my club who has the same thing, he said penholders often wear through the wood where they rest their supporting fingers on the back of the blade. therefore there are different type of materials(cork, foam, rubber, leather) people use to prevent a hole in the middle of the blade.
@@DE47H Thats just silly. Even if there is wear over time, it will literately take years, even decades of regular wear to have any significant impact to the wood, at which point you can just get a new one. The correct answer is to get a better grip because the fingers that rest on the back side tend to slip alot especially once you start swearting. I know this because I have the same issue. Im also a jpen style player with a cpen paddle.
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shame on you yoshida
For what