Sports Franchises That Were Almost Lost/Relocated…
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Teams that were almost lost/relocated…
References:
www.canalstreetchronicles.com...
syndication.bleacherreport.co...
NFL.com
www.thesportschief.com/new-bl...
www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/th...
stadiumdb.com/stadiums/usa/tro...
www.si.com/fannation/bringmet...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_...
www.tampabay.com/archive/2001...
assets.espn.go.com/mlb/s/2002/...
sactownsports.com/otd-kings-s...
Associated Press
www.nba.com/kings/release-052...
www.constructiondive.com/news...
www.architectmagazine.com/tec...
bleacherreport.com/articles/6...
www.sbnation.com/platform/amp...
www.patriots.com/team/front-o...
Images:
"File:Edward Jones Dome (9721837046).jpg" by Paul Sableman is licensed under CC BY 2.0.
"File:Montreal Expos baseball cap 1969-1991.jpg" by eric molina from New York City, United States is licensed under CC BY 2.0.
"19680728 10 Comiskey Park" by davidwilson1949 is licensed under CC BY 2.0.
"20000928 04 Comiskey Park, Chicago, IL" by davidwilson1949 is licensed under CC BY 2.0.
"Metrodome 6" by BWP13 is licensed under CC BY 2.0.
"Target Field, Minneapolis, MN" by kla4067 is licensed under CC BY 2.0.
"Sacramento Kings" by ladynottingham is licensed under CC BY 2.0.
"File:Gillette Stadium Foxborough.jpg" by Max P is licensed under CC BY 2.0. Развлечения
I am aware there are other teams out there that almost moved as I mention at the end of the video, this is simply a few of them, if the video does well there can always be a part two.
-FP
The Calgary Roughnecks of the National Lacrosse League, almost folded midway through the season in 2011, but in the off-season when the team was by Calgary sports and entertainment corporation
I was at the final home game of the Patriots in ‘93. We just had our 1st season under Bill Parcells and we all assumed that we just saw the last game b4 they moved to STL. Fans stayed in their seats long after the game ended
In 1991/1992, the SF Giants nearly relocated to Tampa. At the last minute, am ownership group led by Peter Magowan (fmr CEO of Safeway) purchased the team and had Oracle Park built. Thank goodness for that as imagine baseball today with the Giants playing in Tropicana and no Oracle Park.
Can't believe he missed this one. I was about to post the same thing.
Hopefully this happens with the A’s
@@oaklandasfan2090 As a Giants fan, I hope so too. The A's need a new ballpark in Oakland. Howard Terminal was the answer!
@@andred3299 That's not entirely true. A judge halted the sale because the team was sold in secret without anyone knowing. He stipulated that the region had a vested interest in the team and that a local person or group had the right to put together a proposal to purchase the team. This led to the McGowan group ultimately making the purchase. Had no local ownership team stepped up, the sale to Tampa would have gone through.
Weren't the Giants linked to Southwestern Florida in the late 70s or early 80s also? The A's I think were linked to Denver around the same time. Or I could have them reversed.
My personal favorite is the St Louis Blues to Saskatoon. Just insane that it was basically done and only got stopped at the last minute
The Blues weren't allowed to participate in the 1983 NHL draft while that was going on.
The owners actually chose not to go to the draft in protest rather than not be allowed.
That's because the dog food company didn't want to own the team anymore which put them in that position
In early 1976, the San Francisco Giants were very close to relocating to Toronto (before a local buyer was found in Bob Lurie in order to prevent the move).
Not only that, but also back in 1984, the Minnesota Twins were rumoured to be relocating to Tampa Bay (until Calvin Griffith sold the team to local financier Carl Pohlad during that season).
The San Diego Padres were a 'done deal' to move to Washington D.C. back in the early 70's. But as we all know now, Ray Kroc purchased them in the 11th hour, literally, and kept them in San Diego.
Didn't Topps do a bunch of pictures of the San Diego players in their new "W" caps? I think they were tri-color red, white and blue hats. Ironic that the team that wore tri-color hats for most of their history (Expos) ended up in Washington.
@@richardgazinia5482 Wouldn’t have happened, there were 10 years left on the lease and then Mayor Pete Wilson would have sued prospective owner Joseph Danzansky three times the purchase price for breaking the lease.
@@richardgazinia5482 yes! Was just about to post that.
I lived in Tampa at the time. There were a lot of people walking around with "Florida White Sox" shirts on for a while.
New England almost moved to Hartford in the 90-00s before Gillette was built too
They still would have been called New England. Because of Hartford/Connecticut.
@@jasonrandom372 The stadium that was proposed would be beautiful. It would be on the river with the Onrust floating nearby. The Onrust, the first ship to sail up the Connecticut River, is the Dutch explorer Adrian Block ship. My grandfather has a drawing of the stadium.
I remember seeing some bootleg caps around Connecticut saying "Connecticut Patriots" during the late 90's for sale.
@@jasonrandom372 Foxboro and Hartford aren't close, though. It would be a similar move to the Chargers going from San Diego to LA.
If they’d moved to Hartford, they may have still been in New England, but they would have been 2 hours from Boston. It would have been nice for people from Worcester, but, it wouldn’t be a good idea to plunk a football team halfway between Boston and New York, in a relatively small city. A few years later, Kraft threatened to move to Providence, which would not have been as bad. Providence is about 30 minutes from Foxboro, and an hour or so from Boston. It turned out he was just threatening to move so he could get a better deal from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to build what would become Gillette Stadium. Providence was not very happy to have been used like that.
The St Louis Blues almost moved to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan in the 1980’s
Honestly that would have been so good
Saskatchewan got the Blues alright when they didn't get the team, tough luck 😊
Also in the late 90's/early 2000's the New York Islanders of the NHL was almost relocated to Kansas City when they couldn't get approval to build a new arena to replace the aging Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum
The penguins almost relocated to Kansas City around 2007
@@anthonyrivera4735 The Penguins almost relocated to Hamilton in 2005 too, the Predators nearly moved to Hamilton too in 2008, same as the Arizona Coyotes, all thanks to a one Jim Basille, the CEO of Blackberry, after all of that, the NHL basically blacklisted him from making anymore ownership bids
The Buccaneers were a lot closer to leaving Tampa to move to Baltimore than many realize. The Glazers were ready to move there until the Browns moved and the Buccaneers got the new stadium.
Other owner that considered Baltimore was Mike Brown who owns the Bengals called the Maryland Stadium Authority in the fall of 1995 and was told to take a number.
The Edmonton oilers came close to being relocated to Houston at one point in the franchise’s history.
Believe it or not, Gary Bettman was able to pull together a ownership consortium to buy the Oilers and keep them in Edmonton. During the 2006 Finals, they were joking there would be more owners’ names than players’ names if the Oilers won the Cup
the name Houston Oilers sounds better than Edmonton Oilers ngl
@@kmena05 You shut your mouth, Leave our Canadian teams alone!!! You won't love the Oilers like Canada does!
@kmena05 well Edmonton and Houston are known for the oil industry
The Columbus Crew former ownership announced they were leaving and the fans fought back and kept the team in Columbus.
im surprised you didnt include the blues when they were hours from going to saskatoon
I have noticed that this particular RUclips channel does not give a crap about the NHL
Also, I wonder what would’ve happened had St. Louis got in the Patriots instead of the Rams… No Tom Brady
@@shsav2012 or if they would still be here... who knows what would've happened
I believe there was a sports magazine cover of the early 2000's Twins team after they had a very successful regular season. Dubbed "the team that saved baseball", they were partially responsible for renewing fan interest in keeping baseball in Minnesota.
I have no doubt that if the Twins had a losing record in 2001 like everyone was expecting, contraction would have gone through
The only reason why fans were any bit mad about it was because they got good
Almost moved to nc in the late 90s
The Twins winning a string of AL central titles in the 00's helped Target Field done in time for the 2010 season
@panthers-rl8fu no they didn't a vote failed there on May 5 1998 tough luck
The Seahawks had actually rented out a practice facility in the Anaheim area in the late 90s before Paul Allen bought the team.
Paul Allen (Microsoft founder) was in agreement to purchase the Seahawks if a voter initiative to build a new football stadium passed, which it did in 1997. & the rest is history
@@S_Over_Street The previous Seahawks owner Ken Behring legit packed up the teams equipment and moved it to LA, right after both the Raiders and Ram left town after the 1994 season concluded. The league then made Behring put the team up for sale.
The Seattle Mariners were nearly moving out of Seattle (possibly to Tampa) in 1995 when voters rejected a new ballpark proposal on the ballot. Then the Mariners made the postseason for the 1st time in history & then going as far as the ALCS when they came back being down 0-2 in a 5 game series vs the Yankees in the playoffs. Edgar Martinez game winning double that won that series basically saved the Mariners from moving as soon afterwards, WA then gov opened a special session to pass a new ballpark that later opened in 1999.
Not Tampa. It was gonna be Kokomo/Indianapolis Indiana
@@slibertas1996 Tampa was one of the prospective locations for the Mariners. This all happened in 1991 when Jeff Smulyan was the owner.
Yeah they built Tropicana field and it just stayed abandoned, so the mariners considered moving to Tampa. At least the rays came a few years later
Eagles owner Leonard Tose, addicted to alcohol and gambling, was deep in personal debt. It seemed like his only way out was to sell to an ownership group which would move the team to Phoenix. But the deal was ultimately didn’t go through and Tose sold the team to Norman Braman next year in 1985, keeping the Birds in Philly.
Thanks to a reporter (Bob Hurts) in Phoenix who broke the story and gave the City of Philadelphia about two weeks to save the Eagles. It cost Philadelphia an arm and a leg and put them into a financial hole for at least a decade, but Wilson Goode managed to save the team long enough that Braman was able to buy the team. Braman was seen as a savior after he bought the team but is now held in disdain because he was one of the owners that resisted allowing full free agency in the NFL. It wasn't surprising that he sold the team at the end of the 94 season as free agency was in its infancy.
@@richardgazinia5482 There are people in Phoenix still hacked off at Hurts. They ended up getting a team run, usually ineptly, by the same family, since the '30s. One championship (48?) and another they claim from 25, actually won by, I'm not kidding, Pottsville.
@@williamcurtin5692 There is a strange connection between the Cardinals and the Philadelphia area. That '48 Championship game was against the Eagles and the 2008 Warner-led Cardinals beat (who else), the Eagles. Most folks who remember the '25 Championship (not many) in Central PA don't recognize the Cardinals as champions that year. I think NFL Films did a mini-documentary about the Pottsville team that won the NFL Championship that year. In fairness, the Eagles organization that would have moved to Phoenix in 1984 was a mess. In that era, the best football team in Philadelphia was the USFL Stars. So maybe Phoenix would have still suffered through some bad teams even if the Eagles moved there. Brahman hired Buddy Ryan but I doubt he would have bought the team if the Eagles moved away. Tose was bleeding money and Vegas isn't that far from Phoenix. Jeffery Lurie is the owner that brought the Eagles back into relevancy when he hired Andy Reid.
the best story is how the St Louis Blues almost went to…
Saskatoon? Hockey is a glorious vibe sometimes
The Yankees were almost moved to New Jersey, during Steinbrenner’s ‘mad with power’ phase
Big deal, the Giants and Jets play in New Jersey
@@michaelleroy9281 yes and it completely sucks getting to the Meadowlands
The Patriots then almost moved to Hartford. Still “New England” but not really Boston
They also tried going to St. Louis. Glad that never happened.
Minnesota Timberwolves applied for relocation to New Orleans in 1994 (a mere 12 months after Minnesota lost the North Stars!), but the owners voted down the sale to the ownership group led by Bob Arum (Top Rank Boxing)
You brought up the Twins volunteering for contraction, but they were almost sold to Don Watkins and moved to Raleigh a few years before that
Combine those two with the Vikings getting sold to a Texan, and Minnesota came very close to getting Oaklanded in the 90s
Oaklanded. Lol.
You might want to ask long-time Washington Capitals fans about the summer of '82. Hoo boy, was that one a nail-biter.
Lots of rumors they were going to sold and moved to Tacoma. Washington or Regina Sakatuwan or merged with the Rockies and moved to New Jersey. Remember buying tickets during a “Save the Caps” telethon on WRC-TV hosted by George Michael of the Sports Machine. They got the 10 sellouts thanks to corporate businesses buying unsold tickets and Pollin got admission tax break in PG County.
@@rockvilleravenThe Rockies already moved to New Jersey in May of 1982
The Penguins were never actually going to move to KC or Hamilton. I remember when lemieaux would have exhibition games in KC Quebec City and Hamilton. But they only used this as leverage. They never were gonna move. Mario is a smart business man and knows how to get shit done.
How many times have the Pittsburgh Penguins almost left at this point?
And then got generational talent to prevent that from happening 😜
@@FirearmofMutiny You're timeline of events is incorrect. The Pens already had Sid & Geno when Balsillie tried to buy them.
@@adellis24 Imagine the Hamilton Penguins with Sidney Crosby
I remember hearing the pens made a deal to move to Kansas City which was stoped in 48hrs before it was official.
@@coastaku1954Toronto Maple Leafs would do their best to prevent a team from coming to Hamilton
I believe twice the Vikings were in talks with Birmingham for relocating
The Miami Dolphins also had discussions about moving to Birmingham in the early 80’s
Thanks for the content! Always great
Jim balsille stupidly tried to relocate the Nashville Predators to Hamilton Ontario, boo him for even trying to do that.
Well done. Keep up the quality work on the videos!
The Utah Jazz were on their way to Minnesota in 1984 but Larry Miller stepped in and bought other half of the team so they could stay in Salt Lake. By the way, the price would have been $14 million dollars that he would have made on the sale. I think he made the right choice. LOL
Great topic for a video! Thank you
The Metrodome wasn't the worst place to watch a game. The concourses were just insanely narrow. Maybe 40 feet from wall-to-wall. It took forever to get out. But damn, Target Field has to be one of the best venues in baseball. Ditto for U.S. Bank Stadium just down the road, which is probably the best stadium in the NFL.
You missed quite a few teams. There was the Cleveland Cavaliers in the 80s. You forgot about the Pittsburgh Penguins in the 00s. Let's not forget when the San Diego Padres almost moved to DC in the 80s.
I do recall then Cleveland Cavaliers owner Ted Stephen intending to move the franchise to my hometown of Toronto in the early 1980s (and subsequently renaming them the Toronto Towers).
In the end, Toronto received a franchise in the CBA (Continental Basketball Association) called the Toronto Tornados. Even so, most Torontonians did not give “a rat’s behind” about the Tornados (they only lasted two full seasons in Toronto before relocating to Pensacola, Florida during the early part of the third season).
This guy constantly ignores all Hockey content, it's honestly infuriating
The Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee. The Brewers played in Milwaukee County Stadium. It was made clear that a new stadium was needed or else. A domed stadium was built. In 2023 it was made clear an upgrade & refurbishment was needed. Negotiations continue.
The Milwaukee Bucks played in the smallest NBA venue. A very rich Milwaukee resident offered to build a new stadium if they would name it after her father. The Bradley Center resulted in 1986. Time trudged on & the Bradley Center needed major upgrades. The NBA muttered about moving the team (Seattle?). Instead a new Arena was built and in 2018 the Bucks began playing in Firserv Forum.
Birmingham almost got the Dolphins... even Jimmy the Greek thought it would happen.
The Seattle Mariners were likely to move in 1995, after a general vote to fund a new stadium failed. But the teams run to the ALCS drove enough support to force the city to give funding for what is now T-Mobile Park.
Conversely, the Seattle Seahawks were also almost moved in 1996, before a fan campaign as well as a new ownership group headed by Microsoft Co-founder Paul Allen saved the team.
Seattle Seahawks almost relocated to LA
I remember that. They went as far as relocating their offices and headquarters there until the league stepped in.
Ol Owner Ken Berhring wanted out of King dome
@@bschannel2255 it was built on the cheap side so I can see why
The jets also wanted to move to LA which would be strange to me
As a White Sox, I do need to clarify a couple of points in your video. The referendum which failed was an advisory one in 1986 in the DuPage County suburb of Addison, some 30 miles northwest of Comiskey Park. It would not have been legally binding, one way or the other. After this referendum failed, the Sox focused their efforts on getting a publicly-funded ballpark built across the street from Comiskey Park.
In the waning hours of the spring 1988 legislative session, the General Assembly voted on the bill, with Tampa Bay looking on, thinking the White Sox (who then trained in nearby Sarasota) would soon be theirs. As the clocked literally ticked towards midnight, the Senate approved the bill. Then all attention shifted to the House. Speaker Mike Madigan (who now is facing criminal indictment on another matter) called for the vote. Over the vocal opposition of the minority Republicans, the measure passed - or did it. The Republicans noted the vote came about 12:02 AM. Technically speaking, the regular session had ended at 12:00. If the law had been literally followed, it meant the legislature would now have been in special session, meaning a three-fifths majority (70 votes) would be needed to pass any bill, rather than a simple majority (60 votes). The bill actually only received about 66 "aye" votes. (I do not remember the exact number, but it was not 70.) At this point, the Democratic Speaker said it was 11:58 PM on his watch when the vote was taken; in his mind, the House was still in regular session and the bill has passed.
By the way, the Republicans historically were correct; it WAS after midnight when the vote was held. Though they loudly protested, "Madigan's wristwatch" ultimately prevailed and the White Sox stayed in Chicago. Such is the drama of politics in Chicago and Illinois.
The packers almost moved to milwaukee many decades ago
Would not be too much of a big move since Green Bay is like 40 minutes away from Milwaukee
I wonder if that would have happened if things hadn’t turned around in the 1990s. GB was the league equivalent to Siberia by 1991.
The Vikings tried to move to Birmingham twice
I remember that a deal was struck with Seattle Chicago and Oakland . So the Oakland Athletics were gonna move to Chicago, and then the Chicago White Sox would move to Seattle. Pretty crazy to imagine the Chicago Athletics or Seattle White Sox
Funny how things work out. If Patriots move to St. Louis they obviously don't win their first SB at the expense of that city's fans....and does either the Greatest Show on Turf or the Patriots/Stallions dynasty happen.....and is there another team in Boston area?
Imagine when the Sacramento Kings relocated to Las Vegas and played their home games at T-Mobile Arena in the 2016-17 NBA season instead of building their new arena to replace the aging ARCO Arena, Sin City would have the first pro sports team there.
In 2023 the A’s almost moved to Las Vegas! Let’s hope they don’t go
You forgot the SF Giants were almost out the door to St. Petersburg.
In the mid=80s, Philadelphia Eagles owner Leonard Tose had gambled away most of his fortune. His one remaining asset was the football team, which he tried to sell to a group who were going to move them to Phoenix. The league stepped in and found Norman Braman, a Miami auto-sales millionaire to buy his childhood home team and keep them in Philadelphia.
In the 80s, the Philadelphia Eagles almost moved to Phoenix
Yeah
The Patriots when owned by Victor Kiam were a financial embracement to the NFL. Fran Murray was a minority partner to Kiam, and had contractual first rights to buy him out. Murray had teamed with St. Louisian Jerry Clinton and later NFL Walter Payton for the St. Louis NFL expansion bid. When the Sullivan family sold the team Bob Kraft bought the Stadium & land, while Kiam bought the franchise & team. Murray did not have the capital to buy out Kiam, but made it possible for Orthwein to buy the Patriots. Murray's angle was to get the '93 expansion team then swap franchises with Orthwein to relocate the Patriots to Hartford, CT.
The Seahawks owner Ken Behring almost moved them to Anaheim. They were subsequently bought by Paul Allen.
Also the Seattle Mariners threatened to move that same year (1995) after a bond issue to build a new stadium failed. After the Mariner’s improbable run to the ALCS that fall ignited the fan base, a deal to build a new stadium was struck and the Mariners stayed.
What about the Pittsburgh pirates, Houston rockets or at least the Edmonton Oilers these are also very notable examples of teams almost relocating but bought by new owners or new stadiums
Oh yeah the rockets considered a move to Louisville
After several failed efforts to build a new stadium in the Bay Area (incl San Jose, with the support of the Oakland A’s), owner Bob Lurie had a done deal to sell the SF Giants, who would move to Tampa for 1993 and play in that dome. NL owners voted it down (influenced by lobbying from MLB leadership). Lurie was then forced to sell the team for 14% less to a group to keep the team in SF. Oracle Park opened 8 years later.
Stop me if any of this sounds familiar.
One not mentioned here was the Indians to New Orleans sometime in the early 70s; Topps even began printing New Orleans Indians cards. Gabe Paul made some awful trades but he should get credit for keeping the (former) Tribe in town.
They were printing Washington Natl Lea baseball cards when it looked like they were to move to DC. If you go to Nats Park, there is a proposed uniforms on the Club Level from former DC baseball advocate Phil Wood who now is looking for a team for Nashville where he now lives.
I remember in the early 2010's that the MN Vikings were rumored to move Los Angeles if they never built US Bank Stadium.
Vikings also came a bit close to moving to party city aka Las Vegas
Don’t remember that rumor. Will have to look into that.
At one point it seemed like 32 teams were exploring a move to LA.
As an A’s fan, I’m holding out hope (even if it isn’t justified) that I’ll be watching a video on this topic that covers them in 5 years
Don’t give up yet. I still think it’s possible and I’m not an As fan.
It won't happen since Oakland city leaders won't approve a new stadium. The city of Oakland is responsible for the poor upkeep of the coliseum since they own the property.
@@kristoferscott3677 That just isn’t true. Oakland has raised 100s of millions in grants for a new stadium. The Jack London square project was basically done. The As walked away from it.
Im sorry bro……
thanks dude. i hope you don’t ever gotta lose a team yourself
I remember that Sacramento Kings to Anaheim/Seattle bid wars and was praying dearly for the Kings to stay. The prayers were answered, took a while to see the Kings be competitive again but now, everything about the Kings is glory
He didn't mentioned the San Francisco Giants, there's was talk about moving the franchise too Tampa-St. Petersburgh in the early 90's because the Giants had issues with Candlestick Park because of the cold windy conditions there but that never happened.
In the early to mid 1990's the owners of the Seattle Mariners and Seahawks wanted to move the teams out of town. The Mariners owner from the early 1990's intended to move the Mariners to Tampa Bay, but he ended up selling the team to a group that was backed by Nintendo. In 1995, the Seahawks owner went as far to pack up the team's equipment and send it to Los Angeles. However, the NFL ownership committee did not approve the move and required the owner to put the Seahawks up for sale before trying to move the team.
Thank you, Mr. Kraft.
When the Houston Oilers were trying to relocate, owner Bud Adams was focused on trying to move the Oilers to Jacksonville. He wanted a new stadium there, but eventually Jacksonville declined building a new stadium for the Oilers. But a few months later, Jacksonville got the Jaguars.
The University of Georgia and University of Florida had far greater influence in getting a new stadium built in Jacksonville, since they threatened to move their lucrative rivalry game either to another neutral site (Orlando) or making the series a traditional home-and-home (which happened temporarily while the old Gator Bowl Stadium was reconstructed into the current Everbank Field).
Also, in the early 80s, the Atlanta Falcons almost moved to Jacksonville, citing an unfavorable lease at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium, which even by cookie-cutter stadium standards was a TERRIBLE football stadium.
I remember the NHL wanted to move the Winnipeg Jets to Minnesota literally just a few years removed from when they moved the North Stars to Dallas. The Stars move was more sabotage than a failure to draw but that is another story. The black eye MN gave the NHL was the MN Moose IHL team made more profit than some of the NHL teams. Too many moves are about ego and short term money than fan interest.
And then the Moose moved to Manitoba. 🤷♂️
@@mjjoe76 I often wondered if there was back room peddling going on between lawmakers and the NHL. The league was money hungry when Bettman took over. Seeing the Moose succeed had to piss off a lot of people. I was working in media at the time and the whole Norm green/North Stars ("I did what I could...!!) Really was big lie but complex to say the least.
I suspect they thought the sooner the Moose were gone the sooner an NHL team would be back in MN.
The Cleveland Cavaliers were almost lost to Toronto in the 1980s before the NBA made Ted Stepien sell them.
I see the Tampa Bay Giants are well covered in other comments, so here's another one for part 2 (or 3, or 4...): In 1997, Peter Karmanos was looking to relocate the Hartford Whalers. The first site to be considered was the Ohio Expo Center and State Fairgrounds in Columbus. I don't recall which building specifically was under consideration, whether it was the Taft Coliseum or Celeste Center, but both were deemed too small for NHL hockey. [EDIT TO ADD: It was indeed the Taft Coliseum, where at the time the Columbus Chill played.] There was a referendum to build a new arena in Columbus (note on that below), but seeing that the referendum was headed for failure, Karmanos dropped the Columbus idea even before the vote was held, and focused on other cities, including Las Vegas, San Diego, Kansas City, and Cincinnati. He was, according to the LA Times [www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-04-11-sp-47708-story.html], very close to moving the team to Minneapolis to share Target Center with NBA's Minnesota Timberwolves. In the end, of course, Karmanos decided on the Raleigh-Durham area of North Carolina, and the team became the Carolina Hurricanes.
That's not the end of the story for Columbus, though. (Nor for the Twin Cities, which would gain an NHL team at the same time.) Although the potential ownership group led by John H McConnell publicly insisted that the referendum was a prerequisite for an expansion team in Columbus, privately a deal was made between McConnell, Nationwide Insurance, and the NHL to build what we now know as Nationwide Arena for Columbus' first major pro sports team. (The MLS was not considered a major league at this time, although I certainly would argue it is now.) A "name the team" competition followed, and The Other Paper, an alternative newspaper in Columbus, lobbied for the Columbus Mad Cows. That was not to happen, though, as the new team was named the Columbus Blue Jackets, whose history is now entwined with that of the Minnesota Wild, Carolina Hurricanes, and Hartford Whalers. One team was lost, and through it, three teams were born or reborn.
There’s no such thing as bad fans, just bad ownership
The White Sox had previously almost relocated to Milwaukee after the Braves left
The New Jersey Devils almost moved to Nashville in the mid 90's then the sad part the Nashville Predators almost moved to Hamilton Ont the NHL blocked the move . the same guy that tried to bring a team to Hamilton Ont also tried buy 2 other teams with idea of moving them to Hamilton Ont . I forget he tried a total of 3 times but only one of the 3 was reported on the move .
Maaan you gotta talk about #SaveTheCrew here
good video tho
I almost included it, maybe in a part 2 if this does well enough.
@@forgottenplaces9780 appreciate it, big fan of the channel btw, keep it up!
The White Sox also almost moved to Milwaukee in the late 60s.
I didn't know the white Sox would of have moved to Saint petersburg
The Cincinnati Bengals almost moved to Baltimore in 1995 if they did not get a vote approval on a new stadium. Mike Brown threatened to move the Bengals to Baltimore.
In the late 80’s, Falcons founding owner Rankin Smith almost moved them, until the Georgia Dome was built.
Falcons tried moving to Memphis also
I think the Cleveland Cavaliers were close to moving to Toronto in the early '80s. The team would've been re-named to the Toronto Towers.
Towers sounds like a trash name. Glad they stayed in Cleveland
The Montreal Canadiens almost moved to Cleveland back in the 1930’s
The White Sox had horrible records & attendance in the late 60s/early 70s. We kept hearing rumors of a move to Seattle. THEN they traded Tommy John to the Dodgers in 72 for Dick Allen. Attendance problem solved. Just a few injuries (Beltin Bill Melton & Bart Johnson) away from being something special.
The St.Louis Blues almost moved to Saskatoon in 1983 and a close call to the franchise from folding
When the Superdome was built, it was assumed MLB would go to NO.
st louis blues almost moved to saskatoon
The Charlestown Chiefs almost got moved to Florida where a lot of retirement communities are. But that was minor league. Specifically The Federal Hockey League.
It was because the team's organist tried to play "Lady of Spain" until Reg Dunlap stopped him.
Actually the Twins almost moved to NC in the late 90's.They were going to be playing in Kernersville, NC right between Greensboro and Winston Salem. It was basically a done deal. However people in the area voted against a hotel sales tax that would have built the stadium. So they never moved.
I believe the failure of that deal is what led to the possible contraction talk mentioned in this video, or the other way around.
This Cub fan is thankful the White Sox stayed in Chicago. The rivalry would just not be the same if they became the Tampa Bay White Sox.
It would've been interesting if the Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals had moved to L. A. while the Rams were still in St. Louis, then the St. Louis Rams would've played the Los Angeles Cardinals.
Robert Kraft got himself a happy ending!
Have you done a video about the BlackBerry CEO Jim Balsillie who tried and failed several times to move NHL teams (Penguins, Predators, Coyotes) to Hamilton, Ontario?
In the early 1970s, the Cleveland INDIANS were in serious talks to play 30 home games a year in New Orleans when the Superdome was completed, and possibly move there full-time.
The Saints played their home game against the Giants in East Rutherford NJ, not New York City.
I would really really really like to add the Arizona Coyotes to this list.
The city of Anaheim were ready to welcome The Kings.
Arrowhead arena
The Twins and Expos weren't eliminated because the players union blocked them.
I'm from the UK we don't have franchise we have sport teams in every bit city and small town
The Patriots weren’t going to become the Stallions. That was the name of the expansion team the city got screwed out of at the last minute
Should have let the White Sox move
You forgot the St Louis / Saskatoon Blues
Kudos to Oakland for saying no to both the Raiders and A’s. Owners want a glitzy new stadium, build it yourself. Maybe taxpayers can donate the land, but that’s it.
The Kings owners at that time actually sold them to the Seattle group and really wanted them to move (Which I thought was weird at the time because The Kings ownership voted for the Sonics to move to OKC). Then Sac Mayor and former NBA All Start Kevin Johnson and the current investors started crying to the league that it wasn't fair. Of course David Stern could not stomach the thought of Seattle having ANY team at all, worked his legal magic. Plus the owners, in direct obeisance to Glorious Leader, voted it down. Then Stern retired a happy man, knowing he destroyed ANY NBA hopes of Seattle and instructed his 'Mini-Me' Silver to keep Seattle out of the NBA as well. The league has only had *Two* expansion teams in the last 35 years and as long as the remains of the Stern regime is still in power and Clay Bennett (Right after Clay moved The Sonics, he was made head of expansion committee and made a public statement that he was NEVER going to approve a Seattle expansion) Seattle's hopes, I'm afraid are only a pipe dream!
I’m afraid you haven’t been keeping up with things lately.. Adam Silver recently stated that when the NBA next talks expansion in the next couple of years, Seattle and Las Vegas are at the top of the list! He stated he was very pleased with the $1.15 billion dollar rebuild of Climate Pledge Arena, which is now at NBA standards. Seattle seems to be a lock for expansion. There are plenty of articles on the situation.
Didn’t the Milwaukee Bucks nearly move to Seattle?
I don’t think so.
Arizona Coyotes, Pittsburgh Pengiuns, Nashville Predators, Edmonton Oilers/Toronto Maple Leafs (Yes, they nearly swapped cities thanks to both owners being pieces of shit, Ballard ran the Leafs into the ground, doing whatever he wanted, and Pocklington traded away the best of the Oilers, mainly Gretzky and Messier literally months after they won their respective last cups in Edmonton
Pittsburgh Penguins almost relocated twice.
Where
@@sumeetbeniwal6365 Kansas City
Why did you delete the 90s walmart video
Get the penguins their own video…
Undeserving but lucky Tampa -- they got the Rays instead of the crappy White Sox.
Idk about that, the rays were horrible for the first 10 years, the white sox won a ws during that period, plus tampa is good more now because of their f/o
@@forgottenplaces9780
The White Sox are a terrible organization. That 2005 Series is their only win since 1917, and unlike the Cubs, they only draw when they're good. AND they play in a crappy ballpark.
They were regarded as having rebuilt a juggernaut 3 years ago, and they have been massively disappointing. And Guaranteed Rate ain't Petco -- it has no personality at all.
@@forgottenplaces9780
(I mention Petco, because the Padres have also been disappointing, but you still feel they might YET be compelling. There's nothing about the White Sox that makes you feel they might yet live up to their promise.)
The Kings used my hometown of Virginia Beach as a leverage move as well. Fuck the Maloofs.
Why don’t you mention that the Twins won 2 world championships at the dome