It appears to me that the stove needs more exhaust gas room. When you place the pot on the stove it appears to choke the exhaust flow thus causing considerable smoke. That is an indication that there is not enough exhaust flow routing. The considerable burning outside of the feed port is another indication of a poor exhaust flow design. If you were to modify the top to accept a cross bar pot stand in such a way that it lifts the pot perhaps another 3/4 inch, I am guessing that you will see a major improvement in minimizing the smoke production. Good review and thumbs up.
No way I would buy this for the laudable “quality” construction and end up with a giant smoke damper every time I put a pot on. My cheap Chinese stoves do much better by either creating vent space with flat crossbars that lift pot up some, or providing gaps on top edges. My Chinese stoves may be cheap, warpy and fiddly to assemble, but at least they draw air through the fuel port instead of the opposite (which wastes fuel and blowtorches fire outside the box, defeating the purpose). No thanks on this one.
@far-north-bushcraft-survival Lonnie?! Oh my gosh you are one of my all-time favorite RUclips channels. You haven’t posted a video in years and I was worried about you. It’s so great to see you here in these comments! I hope you’re well, man!
I'm a recent Uberleben customer and even more recent subscriber. I initially took the posting of this video as a sign from the fire gods that I need this stove. Then I found out that my discount code won't work for sale items. I guess the fire gods will have to be happy with all the ferro rods I've purchased recently for no good reason 🤣
My first thought was: yet another bushbox! But you are right, the Überleben Stöker is different. It 'solves' some dislikes I have with other such stoves! It won't replace my Bushcraft Essentials Titanium Bushbox LF, but if I ever lose that it would be an option. thanks for showing M
This stove assembles in a logical, solid procedure. I like not having to guess where little rods should be placed. A twig stove should be simple (meaning that it has a straight forward design), efficient (meaning that it does things right), and effective (meaning that it does the right things). This stove meets those criteria nicely. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Had an original design Stoker in use for some time, then got a Firebox. I only use the Firebox now, I like the ease of use and not having to keep fiddling with parts when the hands are cold.
That is a nice-locking stove! I can tell that you have tested it quite a bit; A dirty stove is a stove that has been used. I like the grill grate; that looks very sturdy.
I agree with you on the 2nd feeding port. But I think one on all 4 sides would be an even better idea. The idea that you have to break up every piece of wood so it fits in the stove is also not possible. Feeding as it burns is a better more efficient way to keep it going. With 4 holes you can feed from what ever side is the most needed side. Just a thought.
It's not a bad stove at all and about as compact as most of the type. The wire mesh grate is nice, but it doesn't improve enough to push past other stoves. I do agree that having another feed port would be helpful so you can keep the burn even.
Hey Ernie! I also love the redesign of this stove. They spent their time on this one with all the new features and it probably doesn’t have a second feed port so as to limit excessive airflow and thus feeding the stove more often. I love the new hole pattern on the sides that make supporting an alcohol burner on a couple of round tent stakes and a piece of aluminum bake tin a breeze! Now I wish for a titanium version! Love you and congrats on the newlyweds!!
Great review as always. IF I needed another stove having that grate on top would be a big selling point. I have a couple stoves I haven’t tried yet. Most of my wood burning stoves have been sidelined due to the almost constant high winds we have where we live now. Regardless, really enjoy/respect your channel. Thanks for what you do.
Buy once, cry once. Great stove, great show. It's a rainy Saturday morning in Sydney, Australia and I'm enjoying a coffee while watching your video. I have a titanium wood stove you can also use with a metho (trangier type) stove. Very light but you have to carry meths (alcohol). My ultralight day pack concept means no fuel except wood found on the trail. This stove is a better design than mine but unless they do it in titanium... no go. Hey, it's just my thing! Like you and stoves, whoever dies with the most stoves... wins!
I have one of the cheap Chinese twig stoves, but it has a twist to it - you don't really put it together, as it has hinges on 3 sides, and the 4th is held in place with a pin that goes through interlocking cylindrical shafts on the final two sides. So it's unfold, put the bottom in, close it up and put the final hinge pin in, and you're ready to start your fire. Haven't had any problems yet with the hinges warping enough to keep them from working. The only drawback is the final hinge pin, which I've tied to the rest of the stove with a steel fishing leader so it doesn't come away and get lost - if it gets lost or broken, you're out of luck until you can find a replacement, but that hasn't happened yet. And of course, it's a lot cheaper than the Uberleben or Firebox - I don't know if you can still find one like it, but I bought a spare when I saw how easy it was to set up.
@@thefucrew9865 I'll have to take a look and see if that will work - not sure if the diameter is the same, but certainly worth a try - thanks for the suggestion!
@@Badger77722 I have a similar Chinese stove to what you described. I carry a small carabiner with several large paper clips attached to it just for the purpose of a replacement interim hinge pins.
once again, another great video! thanks a lot. i like this type of stove because small twigs are very abundant where i am. and the flat design make them easy to carry. i'm not concerned about being stealthy or sneaky or tactical, so someone seeing or smelling the smoke don't bother me. i just relax, enjoy cooking my food, and the little bit of warmth when its cooler out.
I've had the original emberlit stove for about ten years. I use it with the small square backpacker grill on top. I don't find that it slides around too much, but I must say I do like the way that grill fits into the stove. Not many trees in my neck of the woods so I mainly use an MSR pocket rocket with a small 100g cylinder.
Thank you for reviewing this stove. Another flat pack design you might like is the Picogrill 85 or 239. These aren’t American made but I believe they are a better design than the Uberjeben . Setup is much easier than most flat pack stoves I’ve seen, they pack thinner than most, are lighter than most flat pack stoves and the ventilation is superlative in both models.
Straight from the 2008 Honey Stove, which I think was the original. It's also a better design IMO as it has horizontal ventilation slots that allow you to move the grate, and also have a trangia burner. Also allows expansion into a larger 6 sided stove and an optional octagonal one.
I’ve tried a few twig stoves. The Firebox is too large in my opinion for one person. Now the Bushbox LF, it’s the Goldilocks’… just right! You might give that one a Try Ernie if you haven’t already. 👍🏼
I would guess it makes a difference on what you are cooking..I have a few smaller wood stoves. Fine for water or cooking one pane. If you want to do more than one thing either need yo cook in shifts one thing at a time or keep trying to move the bigger pan around without dumping it on the ground. Sometimes I'll use an alcohol stove and the wood stove the same time. Guess different jobs take different set ups. In any case not because I have to it's because I want to. Merry Christmas !
Kent Survival did a video this week in his old bushcraft shelter where he showed a stove/lamp using petroleum and a (big) wick. Not really a backpacking stove but it was interesting.
Quality stove, but I can immediately see from your placing the kettle on top that it needs more open exhaust space at the top. I have several flat pack stoves, including the Emberlit titanium which I really like, but also somewhat suffers from not enough exhaust space. Some of my Chinese knock offs are better in that aspect.
I have several Uberleben products and am very satisficed with them but none of their stoves. For stoves that pack flat it's Firebox for me. I have two ( G2 and Nano in titanium ) of them and they go together in a flash..
I like this brand and the stove looks cool. IMO the only draw back is no option for alcohol. Like with the firebox it was integrated for the option. Still looks awesome though
The original, the Honey Stove does. It uses slots for ventilation, which also fit titanium tent skewers and the rim of a trangia (I've used it for that) and has a larger option with a hexagonal base and 2 extra sides with a trangia converter and the base has holes for different suppliers alcohol stoves
@@thebeardedgorilla8596sadly it was a British cottage industry, and the founders have now sold up, although they are still on RUclips as @theoutdoorsstation
Cheap flat-packs are fiddly and if not careful, you might chop a fingertip off😂I removed mine from my camping rotation and keep it in a bugout bag as a secondary stove ( I live in NE Japan, so blizzards, typhoons, earthquakes, NK missiles, radioactive storage, tsunamis and probably Godzilla are the norm here). This looks a lot more stout than the one I have. The cost isn't an issue if it holds up better. Might have to purchase one as a replacement.
When you put the kettle on top to heat the water on top of the stove, all of the flame and heat were coming out of the feed port instead of going up past the kettle. This leads me to believe that it is not a very efficient stove.
I think if you took a ziploc bag or some waxed paper or even just a brown paper bag and put it in that before inserting in the pouch… you’ll have a much more “contained” mess.
I'll pass on this stove and keep using my Chinese hinged version. It is lower cost, vents better, is hinged, less fiddly, and has a larger feed port. I made mods to it to accept an alcohol burner and a butane gas burner for a 3 fuel trifecta.
Ya no thanks, just another expensive firebox, and some of the comments below which indicates this stove has some flaws design, which causing considerable smoke when placing a pot on top.
Heavy compared to any of the titanium ones, and honestly there is nothing special about this stove I can see. An added plus about the titanium stoves besides being lighter, they cool quicker than steel.
This has to be acpos ad. That iscone of the hardest to assemble stove. You started out about how bad flatbpack stoves are, thenbpullbout this p0s design. I hadnt watched your videos forca couple yrs because of this lame type video. Guess nothing changes. Just a paid ad.
It looks very similar in setup to the small square setup of what I believe possibly started a lot of copycats, the old 2008 Honey Stove, created by Bob of @TheOutdoorsStation . Although that uses slots for ventilation, which also allows you to fit in a trangia burner. And a hexagonal option as well, plus a possible extension to an octagon. Recently stopped trading due to retirement. The pouch is the same design and looks even the same dimensions, but mine is green cordura
It appears to me that the stove needs more exhaust gas room. When you place the pot on the stove it appears to choke the exhaust flow thus causing considerable smoke. That is an indication that there is not enough exhaust flow routing. The considerable burning outside of the feed port is another indication of a poor exhaust flow design. If you were to modify the top to accept a cross bar pot stand in such a way that it lifts the pot perhaps another 3/4 inch, I am guessing that you will see a major improvement in minimizing the smoke production. Good review and thumbs up.
I noticed the smoke as well and thought maybe widen some of the holes around the corners maybe bumping up to 3/8”?
No way I would buy this for the laudable “quality” construction and end up with a giant smoke damper every time I put a pot on. My cheap Chinese stoves do much better by either creating vent space with flat crossbars that lift pot up some, or providing gaps on top edges. My Chinese stoves may be cheap, warpy and fiddly to assemble, but at least they draw air through the fuel port instead of the opposite (which wastes fuel and blowtorches fire outside the box, defeating the purpose). No thanks on this one.
@far-north-bushcraft-survival Lonnie?! Oh my gosh you are one of my all-time favorite RUclips channels. You haven’t posted a video in years and I was worried about you. It’s so great to see you here in these comments! I hope you’re well, man!
Lonny??? You're still alive?? What happened bud? Why no videos?
Nice to hear from you Lonnie. I hope you are well.
I looked at these stoves for a long while, then I discovered Firebox stoves. Very happy I did before i bought a flatpack stove.
I'm a recent Uberleben customer and even more recent subscriber. I initially took the posting of this video as a sign from the fire gods that I need this stove. Then I found out that my discount code won't work for sale items. I guess the fire gods will have to be happy with all the ferro rods I've purchased recently for no good reason 🤣
Heh, heh…
NAW, MAN.
FIREBOX FOREVER 🔥🔥🔥
My first thought was: yet another bushbox!
But you are right, the Überleben Stöker is different. It 'solves' some dislikes I have with other such stoves!
It won't replace my Bushcraft Essentials Titanium Bushbox LF, but if I ever lose that it would be an option.
thanks for showing M
This stove assembles in a logical, solid procedure. I like not having to guess where little rods should be placed. A twig stove should be simple (meaning that it has a straight forward design), efficient (meaning that it does things right), and effective (meaning that it does the right things). This stove meets those criteria nicely.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Nice review. I hope you reach your subscriber goal soon.
I’m impressed with this stove, but really like the Firebox best.
Had an original design Stoker in use for some time, then got a Firebox. I only use the Firebox now, I like the ease of use and not having to keep fiddling with parts when the hands are cold.
I have this stove - I like how you can put steel skewers through the side to place a alcohol stove. Great stove for cooking.
Nice review. I'm glad that you made the statement that I agree with the most, and that is it's great looking, but I'm still going to use my Firebox.
I have the older model, been using it for years and love it.
That is a nice-locking stove! I can tell that you have tested it quite a bit; A dirty stove is a stove that has been used. I like the grill grate; that looks very sturdy.
Reminds me of the plans I once saw for the Nimblewill Nomad stove.
I agree with you on the 2nd feeding port. But I think one on all 4 sides would be an even better idea.
The idea that you have to break up every piece of wood so it fits in the stove is also not possible. Feeding as it burns is a better more efficient way to keep it going. With 4 holes you can feed from what ever side is the most needed side. Just a thought.
It's not a bad stove at all and about as compact as most of the type. The wire mesh grate is nice, but it doesn't improve enough to push past other stoves. I do agree that having another feed port would be helpful so you can keep the burn even.
Hey Ernie! I also love the redesign of this stove. They spent their time on this one with all the new features and it probably doesn’t have a second feed port so as to limit excessive airflow and thus feeding the stove more often. I love the new hole pattern on the sides that make supporting an alcohol burner on a couple of round tent stakes and a piece of aluminum bake tin a breeze! Now I wish for a titanium version! Love you and congrats on the newlyweds!!
Great review as always. IF I needed another stove having that grate on top would be a big selling point. I have a couple stoves I haven’t tried yet. Most of my wood burning stoves have been sidelined due to the almost constant high winds we have where we live now. Regardless, really enjoy/respect your channel. Thanks for what you do.
I think I might get that stove. I really like that design and the USA made. It’s so nice to be able to have a small fire contained like that.
It looks like a nice stove. I am a diehard Firebox stove guy. So… if it’s not broke… don’t fix it. Thank you for the review
Buy once, cry once. Great stove, great show. It's a rainy Saturday morning in Sydney, Australia and I'm enjoying a coffee while watching your video. I have a titanium wood stove you can also use with a metho (trangier type) stove. Very light but you have to carry meths (alcohol). My ultralight day pack concept means no fuel except wood found on the trail. This stove is a better design than mine but unless they do it in titanium... no go. Hey, it's just my thing! Like you and stoves, whoever dies with the most stoves... wins!
I believe it will be the Japanese Dr that collects stoves.
@@akbychoice got alink?
I have one of the cheap Chinese twig stoves, but it has a twist to it - you don't really put it together, as it has hinges on 3 sides, and the 4th is held in place with a pin that goes through interlocking cylindrical shafts on the final two sides. So it's unfold, put the bottom in, close it up and put the final hinge pin in, and you're ready to start your fire. Haven't had any problems yet with the hinges warping enough to keep them from working. The only drawback is the final hinge pin, which I've tied to the rest of the stove with a steel fishing leader so it doesn't come away and get lost - if it gets lost or broken, you're out of luck until you can find a replacement, but that hasn't happened yet. And of course, it's a lot cheaper than the Uberleben or Firebox - I don't know if you can still find one like it, but I bought a spare when I saw how easy it was to set up.
A wire coat hanger can supply you with replacement of that last "hinge pin".
@@thefucrew9865 I'll have to take a look and see if that will work - not sure if the diameter is the same, but certainly worth a try - thanks for the suggestion!
@@Badger77722
I have a similar Chinese stove to what you described. I carry a small carabiner with several large paper clips attached to it just for the purpose of a replacement interim hinge pins.
once again, another great video! thanks a lot. i like this type of stove because small twigs are very abundant where i am. and the flat design make them easy to carry. i'm not concerned about being stealthy or sneaky or tactical, so someone seeing or smelling the smoke don't bother me. i just relax, enjoy cooking my food, and the little bit of warmth when its cooler out.
Thank you for the excellent review and information.
I use the "happy stove" from Savotta. With wood or sometimes with a trangia. Works great.
I've had the original emberlit stove for about ten years. I use it with the small square backpacker grill on top. I don't find that it slides around too much, but I must say I do like the way that grill fits into the stove. Not many trees in my neck of the woods so I mainly use an MSR pocket rocket with a small 100g cylinder.
That’s a very nice stove.
Thank you for reviewing this stove. Another flat pack design you might like is the Picogrill 85 or 239. These aren’t American made but I believe they are a better design than the Uberjeben . Setup is much easier than most flat pack stoves I’ve seen, they pack thinner than most, are lighter than most flat pack stoves and the ventilation is superlative in both models.
Love hearing the crows in the background.
I like the grill and overall size would be good back up in the truck
Ernie, I have their original Stoker and as such am ill disposed to purchasing a newer version despite it's apparent upgrades.
The engineering of interlocking parts is a statement of the quality.
Straight from the 2008 Honey Stove, which I think was the original. It's also a better design IMO as it has horizontal ventilation slots that allow you to move the grate, and also have a trangia burner. Also allows expansion into a larger 6 sided stove and an optional octagonal one.
I'll stay with my nano!
I don't see it on your channel, but one you might want to check out is the MSP CORE 4. They are made in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, USA IIRC.
I’ve tried a few twig stoves. The Firebox is too large in my opinion for one person. Now the Bushbox LF, it’s the Goldilocks’… just right! You might give that one a Try Ernie if you haven’t already. 👍🏼
I would guess it makes a difference on what you are cooking..I have a few smaller wood stoves. Fine for water or cooking one pane. If you want to do more than one thing either need yo cook in shifts one thing at a time or keep trying to move the bigger pan around without dumping it on the ground. Sometimes I'll use an alcohol stove and the wood stove the same time. Guess different jobs take different set ups. In any case not because I have to it's because I want to. Merry Christmas !
Uberleben is a company from Germany I believe. Hmm I wasn't aware of them making some products in the USA.
They are located in Washington state.
They are located in Washington state.
They are located in Washington state
Kent Survival did a video this week in his old bushcraft shelter where he showed a stove/lamp using petroleum and a (big) wick. Not really a backpacking stove but it was interesting.
Nice
I don’t like putting together flat pack stoves, that’s why I use the firebox nano or its big brother, they work…
Quality stove, but I can immediately see from your placing the kettle on top that it needs more open exhaust space at the top.
I have several flat pack stoves, including the Emberlit titanium which I really like, but also somewhat suffers from not enough exhaust space. Some of my Chinese knock offs are better in that aspect.
Have you tried the winnerwell flatpack wood stove available in TI and SS
Good review, thanks for sharing, YAH bless !
I have several Uberleben products and am very satisficed with them but none of their stoves. For stoves that pack flat it's Firebox for me. I have two (
G2 and Nano in titanium ) of them and they go together in a flash..
I still would take a isobutane stove for a day hike. It weighs less, leaves no sooty residue and is quicker.
When you consider that a waxed canvas pouch is at least $12 this can be seen as a much better value.
This sounds like a USA promo ad.
Quick question - does it need the grate to function? Your teapot did not need that piece, but does the stove need it to function properly?
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Hey Ernie, I was wondering if you are familiar with the Solognac flat pack stove? I hear good things but...
I like this brand and the stove looks cool. IMO the only draw back is no option for alcohol. Like with the firebox it was integrated for the option. Still looks awesome though
The original, the Honey Stove does.
It uses slots for ventilation, which also fit titanium tent skewers and the rim of a trangia (I've used it for that) and has a larger option with a hexagonal base and 2 extra sides with a trangia converter and the base has holes for different suppliers alcohol stoves
@jamesbparkin740 cool, didn't know that 👍
@@thebeardedgorilla8596sadly it was a British cottage industry, and the founders have now sold up, although they are still on RUclips as @theoutdoorsstation
Cheap flat-packs are fiddly and if not careful, you might chop a fingertip off😂I removed mine from my camping rotation and keep it in a bugout bag as a secondary stove ( I live in NE Japan, so blizzards, typhoons, earthquakes, NK missiles, radioactive storage, tsunamis and probably Godzilla are the norm here). This looks a lot more stout than the one I have. The cost isn't an issue if it holds up better. Might have to purchase one as a replacement.
So how exactly is this stove better than the Emberlit stove?????
Lol. This grate is great.
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What's a fire box?
When you put the kettle on top to heat the water on top of the stove, all of the flame and heat were coming out of the feed port instead of going up past the kettle. This leads me to believe that it is not a very efficient stove.
I think if you took a ziploc bag or some waxed paper or even just a brown paper bag and put it in that before inserting in the pouch… you’ll have a much more “contained” mess.
Logo looks like Coalcracker
I have a stove like this but from a Chinese company.
Ernie, I just got my stove. Very nice but marked made in China
I'll stick to my $15 Tomshoo gasifier 😂 at least it is smokeless
I'll pass on this stove and keep using my Chinese hinged version. It is lower cost, vents better, is hinged, less fiddly, and has a larger feed port.
I made mods to it to accept an alcohol burner and a butane gas burner for a 3 fuel trifecta.
My question has allways been , why dont you just carry a grate , then use some rocks ?
There isn't always rocks...such as stove you can pop open and use anywhere.
Ya no thanks, just another expensive firebox, and some of the comments below which indicates this stove has some flaws design, which causing considerable smoke when placing a pot on top.
Heavy compared to any of the titanium ones, and honestly there is nothing special about this stove I can see. An added plus about the titanium stoves besides being lighter, they cool quicker than steel.
yes, jusr another flat pack stove.
Buy once, cry once.
$145 AUD for this stainless steel stove. No thanks, only if I had money to burn in it.
Okay, its nice, but way out of my price range. Plus, to justify it, I'd have to go camping every weekend and use it. So not for me.
Lot of money for that thing..,keep boiling water…have fun stay safe.
This has to be acpos ad. That iscone of the hardest to assemble stove. You started out about how bad flatbpack stoves are, thenbpullbout this p0s design. I hadnt watched your videos forca couple yrs because of this lame type video. Guess nothing changes. Just a paid ad.
It looks very similar in setup to the small square setup of what I believe possibly started a lot of copycats, the old 2008 Honey Stove, created by Bob of @TheOutdoorsStation . Although that uses slots for ventilation, which also allows you to fit in a trangia burner. And a hexagonal option as well, plus a possible extension to an octagon. Recently stopped trading due to retirement.
The pouch is the same design and looks even the same dimensions, but mine is green cordura