Norways best skier Therese Johaug was banned for 13 months after she use a lip balm on a sunburn(while at a training camp in Italy), causing her to miss the olympics. CAS didn’t think she was doping, but still sentenced her. She had 0.000016 mg, strange that two sports have so different outcome.
It was because she used it, herself. Sinner did not use it, and asked what the physio did to treat himself, got a negative answer, which was true, and Sinner would've not known more.
Also kinda of strange using a bad example as the standard. This is something I have been reading a lot. They treated unfairly X players, so Jannik should get the same treatment too. One point Gill made is that the process he underwent - responsive, fast, publicly discrete should simply be the norm.
cream/spray on a finger cut. no wipe off from towel/paper towel. no wash hand. no evaporation/absorption. no band-aid / barrier to block the cut. and then directly massage to Sinner's body part with lesion. sounds very unprofessional that it is difficult to believe
I am no scientist, but you don't need an open wound to absorb the content of a cream. That's literally how creams work. Any wounds might have just made it easier.
@@SoftNoizeYes, that's how they work - locally, on the skin. And if they get into the bloodstream, they are metabolically processed in the body, and there are no clean traces of them in the urine, even in such small doses as found in Sinner.
Absolutely wrong. This molecule is very easy to be absorbed by the skin and goes very easily into the blood and in the urine. Study mate you're ignorant@@lucijasimlesa1617
Jannik might be innocent but his physio sure isn't. His story is ridiculous. The product has DOPING emblazoned on it. Plus, he wants us to believe he massaged Jannik with an open wound on his finger, yet there's footage of his with a bandage on the finger at that time.
His physio Naldi was fired. Darren Cahill stated that the spray was given to the physio by Jannik’s physical coach, Umberto Ferrara, who is supposed to have a background on pharmaceutics. There is a possibility that Ferrara gave to Naldi the spray on its own, without the container showing the doping symbol. It was a massive failure on both of them and they both lost their job because of it.
The product box does not actually have the word 'DOPING' on it. That was a clever photoshop that made it's way around the internet. There are also several photos of the physio with a bandage on his pinky during Indian Wells.
If Colostobol is widely known, sholdnt it be easy to avoid than. Does he not have a physio, a massage person, a nutritionist, a coach etc... to monitor this.
The spray (it was a spray not a cream). It was given ro the physio by the fitness trainer and was no longer in a box apparently. There is a discrepancy as to whether the fitness trainer warned the physio about the banned substance. The physio said he had no memory of being told.
Well i like sinner in general, still it's kind of weird that indeed they really kind of knew where the contamination comes from so fast. It's very strange to basically know the root cause or potential root cause in such a quick manner. So it's very strange and that's why I think a lot of people are confused
@D_LEGEND perhaps they already had alibies for possible scenarios, if they build a story credible enough, they will pass all examinations, as these experts reviews are based on plausibility. You just need to have a consistent story and a person to take the blame.
Also, have you ever seen a cheating athlete with huge amount of the banned substance? No. It’s always a trace amount. Why? because the bulk of the drug was mostly washed out of the system.
To enhance performance, prolonged exposure to the substance at therapeutic levels is necessary, not just a one-time occurrence and wash out. Thats your answer. Do whatever you want with it, genius.
Exactly. Sinner was probably taking it after Rotterdam to recover but got the timing wrong so trace elements were picked up not once, but twice. Yeah, nothing to see here.
People will hate hearing this but tennis has been dirty for a very long time. No idea whether Jannik is clean but in general there are many players, including legends past and present, who are practically a walking pharmacy.
@@David-i8i💯 It feels like the clock is ticking until the emergence of a whistleblower who will do to tennis what was done to professional cycling. It won’t be pretty.
Just watched espn darren cahil sit-down, the key take-away is that ITIA/Sports Resolution felt like the positive result will likely been perceived wrongly by the public,therefore they made the decision on their own to withhold the positive result from the press. As soon as it’s positive,it should be available to the press right away,Shame on the agencies who decided to keep it private for 5 months.
I can’t help but think that if this happened to Novak, it would be an international scandal, there would be calls to strip him of all his titles, they would label him a cheater, etc. etc.
So many people say this but he’s already had big scandals (lineswoman, partying during COVID, Australia deportation) and his current reputation is fine. He’s a 24 Slam champ and one of the faces of the sport. For all we know there are other scandals and we haven’t heard of them just like we didn’t with Sinner. I wish people stopped acting like he’s some kind of powerless victim. There’s no way Sinner has more power than Novak freaking Djokovic lol
@@BillyBob-xi9ih this is not about presenting some kind of victim, but about double criteria for those who think for themselves and those who do what the big boss says. Such people can smear themselves with whatever you want, no one will say anything.
@@milosminic3827 not following you… is Djokovic the one who “thinks for himself” and Sinner the one who “follows the big boss”? Is that what you’re saying?
the checks confirmed his innocence. Enough with meaningless insinuations, you didn't know the details, you are not en expert . we know that the irrelevant quantity did not alter anything.
But why are so many Italian athletes using this cream or spray ? The question is does Clobestol cream enhance performance? Why would the physio use it daily for 10 days on a cut. It states on the box do not apply to open wounds.
because in some countries, like italy, Clostebol combined with Neomycin (antibiotic) make up a cream or spray (commercial name trofodermin) used to treat cuts of the skin.
@@sebastiantevel898 Which means nothing in this context. The half-live of this steroid is known for being flushed out of the body very quickly, especially applied through the skin. It could have been very higher just a few days before the test was made.
You are exactly right about that. Majchrzak in 2023 (player atp 50) was suspended until further notice, he could not enter any court, hold press conferences, he fell into depression because he could not defend himself in the media because he was banned from talking, after 13 months he reached an agreement with the ITF court, although he immediately gave evidence that it was the fault of the company that supplies the supplements and the label did not contain the compound that was in the package. The ITF knew she was right but was unyielding. And Siner trained and played for 4 months, what a joke. The Pole was being persecuted by a doping supporter in the Polish media for months.
Massaging an open wound is a no-no. Massaging with a wound is a no-no either. Both hurts and aggravates the existing condition. Right from the get-go, something is amiss.
They never said that. People are just convincing themselves of whatever sounds odd, in order to keep their conspiracy and their outrage going. Go see some therapists and move on with your lives.
@@Julian_orwell why are you people so defensive when other people do not agree with your thoughts? I am well entitled to my opinion as much as you are. No need to see therapists, nor are we always right.
It's not secrecy, it's the law. And I don't really understand why some of you people would be so eager to know about investigations on athletes. What do you get from that? If they end up guilty, they'll be punished, if not, what's the point of knowing immediately before a decision is taken, beside allowing the masses to jump at the throats of athletes (as has happened for every athlete who got publicly exposed)?
Obviously you didn’t watch the video or never read the papers. Jannik was suspended but he appealed immediately and the suspension was suspended. Appeal suspension is a right that have every tennis players
Italy has a massive doping scandal in their country, because their physios can't read a huge red mark with crossed "DOPING" on the package of the spray.....Nobody believes them anymore at this point, no matter what they say. Sinner's career will always be overshadowed with this.
Very objective take 👍 ...The problem isn't that Sinner was cleared. The problem is that his postive result wasn't publicized and he was allowed to play as the investigation was ongoing. The preferential treatment by the ATP is absolutely unacceptable. Sinner should have gotten a provinsional suspension just like every other player.
The thing is that Sinner got a provisional suspension, twice actually, but both times he appealed to the suspension and both times the appeal was accepted. We can discuss about the fairness of his appeals being accepted (I personally think it was the right decision) but he was actually suspended just like everyone else in these situations.
Something's fishy and many unanswered questions. The results we have are from when Sinner tested positive but we don't know: 1) How many times and when had Sinner been tested since the beginning of year up to the positive test? 2) When did Clostebol entered his body and what was the peak amount? 3) Was it involuntary or voluntary contamination? 4) We don't know if Clostebol doses were small cause involuntary contamination or because the body was flushing it out 5) Why would someone with a cut finger give someone else a massage without wearing gloves??? 6) Why are we just learning about this now? The less transparency the more doubts, questions and perception of unfairness and double standards
Point 1. He surely didn't refuse being tested like Nole did for 3 times, without being sanctioned. Test 2 was a check test taken after 5 days from Test 1. It takes 30 days for a substance to leave the body.
Crazy that Sinner's team were also allowed to make the first PR statement on this and not the ATP or ITIA.. all ped metabolite tests are measured in nanograms per deciliter. language of "billionth of a gram" carefully chosen instead of that. also doesn't mean that the level was not higher at a previous point
@@usermatisse NIKE and Double standards Slavs and players from the East in the top 10 even. and pretty much any player without a massive American sponsorship deal, would have been banned Look at Troicki and what happened to him. BANNED for far FAR less. The elephant in the room is NIKE They have a hundred million dollar contract with Sinner They literally fired half their other players and have banked on sinner and Alcaraz. They are never EVER ging to allow the ATP to ban Sinner unless he is caught with a needle in his glute on camera. DOUBLE STANDARDS for Nike players and westerners This is why people are angry As an American you cant see this sadly
He got preferential treatment. The story that Cahill gave was such 💩. It was like a teenage boy lying about his homework to the principal. This is a horrible look for the sport
@@stm.natural_selection This is a permanent stain on Sinner, his team and atp. They can try to explain it away but the fact is he tested positive for a banned substance and should have been punished or suspended. This looks very bad esp as the no1 player in the world. 🤦🏼
@@jikan-tabi-1888 "The administration of Clostebol must have happened around the time of the Event since the Player has been tested, on average, once a month over the 12-month period between April 2023 and March 2024, and none of the previous tests gave rise to any AAF for Clostebol (or any other Prohibited Substance)".
@@jikan-tabi-1888 There is nothing to "explain away" is there? It entered his system through no fault of his own and it didn't affect his performance so it makes no sense for him to be punished. It's innocent until proven guilty, so unless you have any evidence that he did it on purpose (or that it helped his performance) you have no right to say he should be banned.
Come on GILL. Say it plain and streit. He was treated differently because he was not only No.1 but from western world. Imagine if he was RUSSIAN or CHINESE player. As for the dose. It was one belionth at the time of test. Before that, we dont know. Soo....
So sports resolution/ITIA has the power to withhold a confirmed positive result from the public(from March to August),and only release the news whenever they deem appropriate to protect certain player public view on him?The trust is broken,,and the system is no longer transparent. It’s corruption.Positive result is positive result,press and the public has the right to know right away,there’s no out/in of context concern, Jannik.S atp no.1 tested positive is the factual/only context
@@JinkaiHuang wrong take. If the preliminary ban is successfully appealed within the given timeframe of 5 days. ITIA by LAW is not allowed to release the information to the public. Since Sinner successfully appealed in a matter of days IATA followed standard procedure to publish after the outcome of the trail was established. Bye bye coverup conspiracy, im sorry. Yes this is also procedure with lower ranked cases and there are many presidents. Bortolotti for instance.
@@alessandrovalente7645 and this is the grey area that allows the positive test to kept in dark for 5 months “14.4.3 The ITIA in its discretion may at any time disclose to other organisations such information as the ITIA may consider necessary or appropriate to facilitate administration or enforcement of this Programme” Whenever they “may consider necessary or appropriate “ so it could be a week or 5 months,that’s unfair,it’s the loophole
Gill say what you want but in the case of Victor Troicki that you didn’t mention at all was much less suspicion but guy get banned for 18 months. Victor came for blood test with high fever. Was sent by agency doctor back to hotel and told to come next morning . Doctor in appeal process confirmed that as true . He came next morning and did testing . Got suspended for 18 months for not making himself available, even he did. He was there. Appeal court reduced his sentence to 12 months. The fact that you didn’t make episode on that and that process took so long tells that for this or that reason players are not treated equally. BTW he tested negative!!! Fishy fishy.
@@paolofazzini6460 No, test was conducted on 18th of March (first round of miami open). I know Sinner didnt play because he has bye 1st round. They were notified in April. My issue is if player has substance on the first day of the tournament why is no one adressing that now but just indian wells. Do you need to have substance during whole tournament to be stripped because i am sure that is not the case. This situation is very suspicious because how its handled.
One has to ask why this wasn’t made public immediately and why the ATP came forward when they did? Have to assume there was a whistleblower or something. Otherwise they probably would have swept this under the rug. This isn’t whether he’s innocent or not. It just shows how corrupt the ATP is. It needs fixed.
His physio was involved in a similar case with another athlete one year ago so he knew exactly the implications. Even if you are stupid you won't do it twice unintentionally. I'm afraid I'm a sceptic in this case, too many things smell. Objective take Gill.
That sinner is guilty or not I find the affair very weird and the double standards treatment for sinner compare to other players for the same case in the past is not right ! Anyway it’s gonna follow sinner for the rest of his career
It's like in a normal trial, you cannot never compare 2 accused who have committed the same crime. It all depends on how they committed it, the intentionality and the modality. There are many nuances that determine the change in punishment. It's a very normal thing and if you look at the various suspensions of tennis players for doping-related crimes, each one was evaluated in a diferent way even when they were not intentional guilty. In Sinner case for example, the percentages found were so minimal that they would not help even an ant improve performance, furthermore, 5 minutes after the accusation was formalized, it was discovered where the involuntary contamination came from contrary to other cases. That's why he wasn't suspended like other tennis players.
Is it? I feel like we’re gonna talk about this for several months and it will be mostly forgotten after a few years. Sure it’ll be brought up every once in a while but it’s not gonna be a defining thing unless there are further developments.
the standard treatment is not right, not sinner treatment, also it's different because he could prove immediately what went wrong. The players are responsible for themselves and what their staff give to them ( not what the staff take which can contaminate the player). They should focus on other medicals not prohibited which are taken regularly by players and not a billionth of a gram of a substance which has no effect at all.
As soon as he was caught (twice)with the prohibited substance he should have been temporarily banned. Period. The story about him asking for an emergency meeting stinks of double standards.
@@diegoescaneroereza4900 they asked for it.What I doubt is that every tennis player has the possibility of asking for it so fast and having the evidence for why they asked for it immidiatly and there money play a big factor for sure.
It's the procedure, of course having with you the best legal team helps, this aspect is very underestimated in all comments I read in american channels. Context matters. Check the case of Bortolotti.
@@diegoescaneroereza4900yes it's in the rules. Jannik and his team acted very quickly. I think a key factor was that they were able to locate the most probable source very quickly..the fitness trainer knew he had it so it would have been almost immediately discovered. That's not to say that the delays to Halep's appeals were fair, they weren't.
The Chilean people are quite angry because the case was similar to Nick Jarry’s… he was suspended for 11 months and it took him around 3 years to come back to where he was….
Sinner was definitely favored by some big people, there's no other explanation. They kept this under the rug for a pretty long time and his appeal was instantly accepted. Other players have received a way harsher treatment. The double standards that they are using is terrible for the sport, they are losing credibility.
Its standard procedure when the ban is appealed and uplifted to wait with with publications and statements untill the final outcome of the investigation.
Nobody noticed that Sinner got no ranking points from Indian Wells? Amazing. I would think those that follow the game very closely would have noticed the missing points and made a story out of it. Aside from that I will never look at Sinner the same way again despite the story. He and his team don't look so good. And the special treatment really turns me off. Hurts the whole game of tennis.
The ranking points weren't deducted until after the decision by the tribunal was published. The positive result wasn't even given to the team until after Miami
It wasn't special treatment, it was all within the rules..Andy Roddick said it's never made public until a suspension comes into force and he was able to successfully appeal the suspension. According to Cahill this was through Sports Resolutions. The ITIA then took it to the Independent Tribunal. The team would have known that it would be made public once that decision was made so it's not about secrecy. And as for not looking at him the same again, that is the tragedy of this situation for a young man found to be at no blame.
@@joannemoore3976 I don't think your point changes my points at all. It was never reported when the points were deducted whenever they were deducted. It does bring up the question of when points are deducted for others who were caught with banned substances in their systems. Keep in mind that if there was an unfair delay in deducting the points it would have put him in better position with ranking and seeding in tournaments. I don't know if in Sinner's case if it would've mattered. He still may have been ranked where he was. But, still, I'm against preferential treatment.
Advice for other players: Identify items that contain banned substances and recruit someone on your team to "accidentally" administer them to you. Then, you can win tournaments and avoid penalties by claiming you "unknowingly" ingested the substance.
@@user-fk1os3nb3q I'm not saying Sinner cheated (which I don't think he did) and also it depends when you get tested but I'm indicating there is this loophole in the system others can exploit.
@@user-fk1os3nb3q AT THE TIME OF TESTING. Thats important to note. the levels of a medication begin to go down once you take them because your body utilized them and excretes it. The level of tylenol you take at 8am will not be the same level you have at 8pm, thats why your headache comes back
@@user-fk1os3nb3q Steroids don't make you stronger, they make muscle growth easier If Jannik was doping in early February to mid-February, used that to see increased benefits in training for the month of February and then stopped doping almost all of the drugs he took would have left his body by the time he got tested on March 10th, we would have seen drug test results similar levels to what was found I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm saying that low levels on a drug test doesn't mean you didn't see performance benefits from that drug and we just can't know
Although completely different cases but it's weird that Jenson Brooksby gets an automatic 18 months for missing the test and Jannik gets no suspension, for a positive test (and no public announcement until 5 months later).
Why was Sinner privilaged ?Simona Halep (Romania)Marin Cilic (Croatia),Viktor Troicki (Serbia)..all got a long suspencion .abd was cleared after all.See the patern?And it's not because he was nb1.Simona was former nb1.Marin Cilic was also in top 10.And I bet if they found that supstance in Djokovic's or Iga's blood they would be suspended..fast.
IMO Sinner knowingly took the banned substance to recover after Rotterdam but his team got the timing wrong leaving trace amounts in his system enough to test positive twice. He should be suspended and unable to play pending appeals and a decision. This is utter bs. To think that Pospisil got a strike against his name for being available for a test but indicating it was 'out of competition' instead of 'in competition' says all you need to know about the preferential treatment given to the top players. Ridiculous. Sinner now permanently on my shit list and should be on everyone's.
Do you have any evidence or do you just have this theory you thought of? Because without proof it means nothing and it's ridiculous to judge a player who never did anything wrong and has shown nothing but integrity just because of some theory you made up...
"Normally, when a player fails a drug test, there is a Provisional Suspension triggered and the public is notified once the Provisional Suspension is triggered." But we were kept in the dark for 5 months (unlike what we've come to expect in other cases) Some say it's because the PS was appealed and lifted, but the rules say that it need only be "imposed or accepted" - nothing about if it's successfully appealed, it's confidential.
The public has to be notified only when the Suspension is actually triggered, which basically never happened due to the (probably expensive) Sinner's lawyers. 'Normally' doesn't mean 'always'.
It still is now something that could follow Jannik his entire career, particularly if he ever gets into Big 3 territory (consider all the crazy conspiracy theories between Fedal fans and Nole fans).
@@lucaboscia5443 Hey, I'm a Sinner fan, but you know there are people out there who will use anything to tear down another player to prop up their favorite.
What I don’t get is the physio. Why is he using this stuff on a minor cut for (a minimum) of eight days? Why is he massaging Sinner during that time with a substance on his hand that he knows a) is a potential doping risk and b) highly transmissible. Bizarre and inexplicable.
"It was not Sinner's mistake, and it was not intentional". Do you really think that others who got banned from 2 to 4 years all said - "it was intentional"? They all said the same thing Sinner said. Double standards. ATP needs the views and money from the world #1.
Inform yourself. Intentionality isn't everything. For example Jarry was suspended even tho it was deemed unintentional because the tribunal found that in his case there was negligence from the athletes. No double standards here, different outputs for different cases, that's how laws work.
Read the actual report. The details matter. Taking a tainted supplement is a different level of culpability than being unknowingly exposed because of someone else's mistake that you had nothing to do with. You think there's a double standard because you haven't read the facts. The cases are substantially different.
timeline of previous clean tests combined with the concentration found at the failed test can give a determination of if a person took a dosage of a "useable" amount to increase performance in that time. in sinners case its literally impossible. for Haleps case(and nearly every other case of a positive test), she had a high enough concentration at the time of testing that its very possible she took a high enough dose between her previous clean test and the positive test.. If i tested you today for THC and it came back positive at XXX concentration and i knew you had been tested 2 weeks ago and it was clean. I can make a determination that if you had smoked weed the day of your previous test, you would have still a concentration of XXX in your system. If its 1000 times lower than that, and you claim that you walked into a room and someone was smoking weed there and you immediately walked out, id be inclined to believe that. 1 inhalation from a joint would leave XX concentration after 2 weeks and you can work out the math. drug tests are not a pass/fail. they get a very accurate concentration also. which means with a previous test timeline and a follow up (positive test) a week later you can determine how much was the maximum possibly used in that time.
@@2394098234509 Have you read what I wrote? Do you really think any tennis player who got banned 2 to 4 years said: "I knowingly exposed myself. It was intentional". They all said the same thing like Sinner. Yet, they got banned from tennis for years. While double standards were applied in Sinner's case.
I am pretty sure he was told not to play the Olympics OR that he uses some sort of doping that could be detected with super advanced doping tests run at the Olympics and that these tests would be held for years and that these tests could have been proven to contain doping agents in years time. I also believe that players like Aryna Sabalenka skipped the Olympics due to fear of doping tests as I do not believe she is clean. My opinion of Sinner is that he all of a sudden became this superfast hardcourt player and was expected to win both on hard court and on the clay, even his odds at FO this year was the lowest ones, and thereby he was the favourite to win ahead of Alcaraz. I have noticed that he can easily play superquick tennis for like 2 sets and then he declines a bit, and I have been thinking about blood doping. Sinner lost a match the year before and you could sense he would loose as he seemed to totally lack confidence at the end of the match which lasted very long. Nobody talked about him and that he would be the favourite to win slams, he has been at the top section to win slams, but not at all a favourite before beating Djokovic. I believe Alcaraz will be the one who will win most slams per year and that Sinner will loose his number 1 ranking very soon and he does not deserve to be so hyped. He even has a Russian girlfriend at the moment and we all know what Russians do, so that is not good for his image. He is skinny, tall and I rememeber that I thought he had all of a sudden become insanely quick in a final against Alcaraz this year, and that I did not see a chance for Alcaraz to beat him after Sinner won the first set. I am not naive anymore as I have understood a lot more about how things work, and WADA is obviously not in rule over all of the athletes as we see that some athletes are treated way better. What I really dont understand is how super duper mega fast this case was solved and Sinner found innocent while other supreme athletes in their sports, like Therese Johaug in cross-country skiing, with a higher dose of clostebol, was banned for several years. And I do not believe that the massage therapeut did not know that the spray he used was on the doping list. Not someone working with a super rich guy like Sinner, it is way too sloppy... And if that is the case I would have fired him if I was Sinner. I would assume many other top tennis players use blood doping as it has incredible effects and that Sinner is not a moron so the failed drug test is probably due to the fact that his therapist indeed used that spray but many of the top athletes dopes and are not caught as they have expert help and advice. We have to remember that tennis is played for like 10.5 months of the year and how the hell can someone excel in several tournaments in a row without some sort of boosting agents? The difference between clostebol and blood doping is not comparable by any means, but I have seen some people from certain countries with insane stamina and you can all see that many tennis players have that. I actually believe Kyrgios is 100% clean and Nishikori is for sure clean as he always looks super exhausted in his matches
Some players (like Halep) took a long time to process because she didnt know where the contamination could have come from. She had to test the vitamins that she didnt declare initially. Plus her levels were high which means it was ingested regularly. Dont blame Sinner for having efficient lawyers
Sharapova banned Halep banned Troicki banned. The pattern is very simple. If you are orthodox and from eu east block = ur banned. If you are eu west block = its low dose he can play. What did Nadal said when Djokovic was prisoned at AUS open - RULES ARE RULES. Why isnt this applied now ??? Tennis is not a sport anymore after Djokovic is only one left from big 3 , ATP has to boost potential players that can win over him Politics is unreal these days. Thanks for the video
Where are you from? I'm from Russia and I understand you very well... I can imagine how many nasty things will be written about me now. And I didn't choose where I was born.
@@user-mo1jg3tk4f be proud where u are from my friend. I respect your country and its contributions to the world. Putin is not Russia. Big salute to casual people.
Really??? You think Sharapova was from the East block She is more American than Trump! She probably doesnt even know were Russia is! Also Djokovic faked a covid test to enter a country illegally He should still be in prison It has nothing to do with west or the East If you are a cheater (like Djokovic is) you should get punished So for Sinner not to be banned is an absolute scandal
Gill gross did you know that Mr AndreaGaudenzi (an italian ex tennis player) currently serves as Executive Chairman of the ATP Tour. When reporting stories I wish all reporters would tell us ALL THE TRUTH.
The thing is Sinner during January-April was flying and crushing everybody. So, the ATP Italian President made sure to announce the news after things got normal.
@pianolove5690 The ATP Italian President, Gaudenzi, made sure to announce the news right after Sinner won a big title in Cincy. He probably thought it would be swept under the rug.
"The administration of Clostebol must have happened around the time of the Event since the Player has been tested, on average, once a month over the 12-month period between April 2023 and March 2024, and none of the previous tests gave rise to any AAF for Clostebol (or any other Prohibited Substance)".
@pianolove5690 Italy has a massive doping scandal in their country, because their physios can't read a huge red mark with crossed "DOPING" on the package of the spray....This will always remain as a stain on Sinner's career, if you like it or not. People will not forget.
If it was “contamination”, the body will clear it to a point where a trace amount will not be found at a drug test, unless it was given immediately before the drug test, which is also not believable.
@@andrealupoli871 Everything was prepared in advance from a Sinner's camp about this case. That's our insuination. Do we have right to express doubt about this complet situation?
I have never seen such a double standard in any sports. It doesn't matter how low amount of matter there is in a body, because players time their doping's so there is no evidence the longer the time passes, the less evidence of substances there is. So offenders time when they are doping so there is non left when they come to major tournaments where they know will be tested
Truth is usually very simple. Lies are quite elaborate and complex, just saying. Random scalpel cut, no gloves etc sus af. Definitely differential treatment which is causing biggest uproar. Sadly I’m not as much a fan now of sinner or draper.
Truth is complex, that's why things like science and philosophy esist. Believing what one wants to believe is the simplest choice and that's what you're doing
@@michaelespinosa9168 People don't want to look at it that way because they're desperate for him to not be guilty. I like him as a player but I can't just turn my brain off.
You say that other players were not able to avoid provisional suspension also because they were not top players… this is NOT TRUE! See the case of Bortolotti, no. 350 in the world, who was found having Clostebol in his body just like Jannik and his case was resolved just as quickly with no suspension! Also, Simona Halep and Maria Sharapova were also tennis legends and had enough money to hire the best lawyers but still they did not have their suspensions lifted, and the reason is that they had INGESTED banned substances and was more difficult for them to provide evidence of their innocence
the reason for Bortolotti getting off is blacked out/ redacted in the ITIA report so it's not known why.... Battaglino was actually presenting the same defence as Sinner - that a physio contaminated him. But Battaglino is a player with no money and a Moroccan physio is not going to testify for him with no benefit.
*easily absorbed, Gill hahaha definitely not contagious, but we all got the gist of it! Now in regards to the whole doping mess. All the evidence presented does add up with Jannik's defense. Especially now that people have posted clips of his physio with a bandaged finger during one of his IW matches. And I do want to believe in Jannik's integrity and, ultimately, his innocence in this whole ordeal. However, that would also force me to believe that such disregard for an athlete's safety and outright incompetence was indeed in place by his physio... which does seem suspiciously unlikely, but not entirely impossible, I suppose. All that being said, the fact that it was essentially covered up for 5 months by the ATP (an association currently ruled by an Italian chairman) does raise a few eyebrows... Now, regardless of the potential shady business, it is true that the bigger issue here is "different rules for different players" and that the inconsistency in due process when it comes to failed doping cases is painfully embarrassing. Finally, people jumping to defend Jannik solely on the grounds of "IT WAS JUST A BILLIONTH OF A GRAM" clearly do not have a solid grasp on drug consumption, metabolism, and general anatomy. Yes, only 1 billionth of a gram was found, which is below performance-enhancing levels. Does that mean that ONLY 1 billionth of a gram was initially ingested? Absolutely not. It could've been more, significantly more, still below performance-enhancing levels, right at performance-enhancing levels, or even above that. We will never really know, so there is no point in using the amount found in any of these dabates as it doesn't prove much more than just the pressence of the drug in his system, which in turn does not necessarily prove intention of doping or performance-enhancing practices.
Dude, you do such a terrific job in dwelling into these matters. These depths of information are usually not digestible in the mainstream media, therefore, keep up the good work!
The procedure surrounding this was blatantly biased because of Sinner's commercial pull as the world #1 and a young superstar. However, if this standard is applied in all future cases, there will be less outrage. Nonetheless, I would like to see WADA submit an appeal on the ruling due to the questionable procedure and, perhaps, on the merits. The trace levels of the steroid in his system only represents what remained when he was tested, it is not a direct indicator of what he took.
Yes that should definitely happen. I must say if it was really accidental how on earth did they know right away what was the cause? That’s not plausible, I am sorry but it is not. They were able to identify the cause right away because they knew very well what it was!!! Please just stop and think!! Use your gut feeling! And they repeated the process one more time!! WOW! Fans spend a lot of money to watch and follow their tennis so we deserve to see that these matters are dealt with properly and with equity for all. The rules are the rules and further more we should have been told right away when he tested positive and twice, really and they knew what it was and yet repeated doing it a second time??? PLEASE EXPLAIN! What a shame this is. 😮
please read the tribunal sentence, they believed on the contamination as they say sinner was tested for antidoping once every month from april 2023 to march 2024 and it was always found negative to any doping substance, so the very minimal trace they found on march 10th and 18th couldn't be a residue of an intentional consuption prior to that dates, it only could be a non intentional contamination, that's what th sentence say
In 2023 Italian tennis player Stefano Battaglino was suspended 4 years for trace levels of Clostebol in his urine (same drug that was found in Sinners system). But of course he was just some nobody player who would not be missed and who has zero impact on the ATP revenues.
Well-explained. Double-standard is real, and ridiculous. Sinner failed the test TWICE back to March and April, and the public was kept in the dark for nearly 5 months. Something fishy in Sinner’s team, maybe they need 4-5 months to come up a “good” story to cover what actually happened.
You know nothing of his the law works mate. No double standards, Sinner presented a lot of evidence to prove he was innocent. This is why there is nothing fishy, stop the BS
Italian again? How come, what a coincidence! Like the 38 sportsmen banned for the same substance in the last 4 years. Or should we speak how the physio put a strip on his finger once the test was out, the previous matches he didn’t have it? Again amazing coincidence!
@@soulm8here108the reason there are so many Italians is that Clostebol is only sold over the counter in Italy, in most other countries it is much much harder to get it.
I think EVERYONE needs to agree that if this happend to Novak he wouldn't be able to play for quite some time In a recent interview for serbian tv Novaj said that after he won gold they were ready to test him after the interview, this kind of thing would never happen to sinner ot Alcaraz and i gotta say that after this i will no longer support sinner in any kind of way.
Novak has nothing to do with this... If it was Novak the ruling would be completely the same as with Sinner and Bortolotti. The main difference would be that you would say it was all a big conspiracy to tarnish Novak his reputation.
@@eugenos75 maybe, but they keep on testing Novak in moments that are not appropriate, like after a Davis cup match during his press conference (they were in the room waiting for him to be over) and literally after winning an OLYMPIC GOLD. Alcaraz would never been treated this way, and if he was treated we would now bc it would be all over the news an people would shame the testing team Even if you would consider okay that they tested Novak right after he won a tournament, they should've done that to sinner now , especially being aware of the situation in march
Yes which is wrong. Bortolotti, n.350 got exactly the same treatment as Sinner n.1. check by yourself in Google. Same outcome, innocence for both, both was kept secret till the sentence and both got the suspension lifted. Justice worked so perfectly
@milostomic8539 their cases were different, but may I ask you: would you have been more sympathetic with Sinner would he have been treated as badly and proven not guilty? As Gill said Sinner case should be the blue print not the outlier, the hope is it will be so no one will have to suffer as those athletes you mentioned
@@milostomic8539 that does not answer my question though does it? Cases as I said are different and if Cilic couldn't prove his innocence right away maybe that's why he was suspended, plus again you mention a case from 2013, 11 years on shouldn't the system be better? And shouldn't we be better knowing how these cases have destroyed athletes? That was my question
He shouldn’t, he didn’t take the substances directly there is no reason to ban him there is no way it would have enhanced his performance in any way possible.
@@Hacob1200 He Should. 1.) There is no way to prove he didn't take them directly. 2.) The last 50 people in Jannik's situation were banned, -immediately. Make it make sense.
Mail question: Sinner lost points dou to doping scandal and if the points were removed earlier Djokovic would have more weeks as World N1. Why removed points only now? Why not before? What is your opinion?
as a skeptic who also was inspired by sinner to start playing and watching tennis religiously again, i've been embarrassingly upset about this whole thing (seriously i literally never have and never will meet the guy). obviously the ambiguity of the situation is bothering me a ton, but even more than that I think it's pretty shitty that he was allowed to play and make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars while less fortunate players who likely needed tennis as their primary source of income at all times lost out on their salaries for YEARS while their cases were pending.
But really don't you think Carlos, Novak and Nadal and to a lesser extent Roger were doing stuff over the years? Novak with his gluten free diet went from a guy who would retire after to playing 90 minutes to playing 6 hour matches with Nadal overnight? Carlos who was this skinny kid to an extremely muscular guy in 6 months ? Ask yourself how would any human play a 54 ball rally followed by 35 ball rally then a 25 ball rally at the US Open final 15 years ago between Nadal and Novak ? Drugs PED's is part of the show. The show is entertaining and selling tickets.
@@Kaneki Guys you are bringing in unrelated stuff. Sinner’s case has nothing to do with the other cases where players were banned. The protocols are very strict but there is no indication that Sinner got preferential treatment. There are presidents of lower ranked players who got the same outcome from their case as Sinner. But all cases are different and different outcomes are to be expected. What i do not understand about the skeptics that think everything is unfair and nothing is to be trusted: Why even believe in the failed drug test? Maybe the positive results are also made up by an evil villain?
@@alessandrovalente7645 Maybe skeptic wasn't the right word. I believe the story they have, but think there are a lot of details not available to the public. I'm torn up about it because I don't have enough information to feel comfortable making a judgement call. I'm also not arguing that he received special treatment due to some ATP/ITF conspiracy. Jannik's wealth and luck (in being able to quickly determine the source of contamination) afforded him the best possible approach to the situation and protocols in place, where other players didn't have either of those luxuries. A framework that rewards expensive lawyers and literal luck is by definition unfair, ESPECIALLY when it affects both an individual's reputation as an honest player and their ability to rely on their primary source of income. To be clear-none of this is Jannik's fault, he pretty much just got lucky in a situation that I don't think luck should play any part in.
@@alessandrovalente7645 when I saw a 54 ball followed by a 30 ball rally followed by a 25 ball rally in the US Open final with RRRRAFA AND NOVAK I knew they were both using. It doesn't take a genius to use one's eyes.
The court sentence accepted Sinner’s version that he had asked his physio, Naldi, whether he was taking something for the wound, and Naldi denied taking any medication to Jannik. Darren Cahill stated that the spray was given to Naldi by Ferrara, Jannik’s physical coach, and it’s possible Naldi received it without the container with the doping warning. In any case, it was a massive failure from Naldi and Ferrara, and they were both fired.
As an Italian and as a long time fan of Jannik I was quiet surprised when I first read the news and I understand people being skeptical about it given the fact that it was all kept in secrecy until yesterday. But I think there should be some clarifications to be made on this topic. As Darren Cahill said in the interview with ESPN which I highly recommend everyone to watch, Jannik was notified only after winning in Miami, and was immediately provisionally suspended. The reason why it wasn't made public is that on the same day his legal team lodged an appeal for both suspensions explaining that Sinner had no fault in it. Now, according to the ITIA this kind of "emergency meeting" is indeed a feature of the rules and these rules also say that no public announcement can be made until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So an arbitrator (not a tribunal) heard Sinner's team and decided to lift the suspension. And only now in August a tribunal reviewed the case and publicly announced that Sinner had no fault hence he wasn't imposed any suspension. But following the rules, he lost the points and the prize money gained during Indian Wells (the week in which he failed the drug tests). Also about the so-called double standards and to address what Shapovalov had to say, go check out the case of Marco Bortolotti, a doubles specialist who tested positive early this year of clostebol but wasn't suspend and received Jannik's same treatment. By the way he is far away from the top 100. And finally, for anyone who is trying to compare this case to Halep's one or to others, the main difference is that Sinner was able to detect right away (and I stress: RIGHT AWAY) the cause so it was obviously easier to explain it to the ITIA. Hope this clarifies things, if anyone is guilty in this situation that definitely is not Jannik but his dumb physiotherapist Giacomo Naldi. For anyone interested to actually get informed: www.ubitennis.net/2024/08/jannik-sinners-failed-doping-tests-a-case-of-misinformation-unanswered-questions-or-both/
Finally someone who has the all the facts. We'll let the idiots keep hating Sinner for no good reason, while the rest of us actually understand what happened.
In 2023 of course ALSO there is the Italian tennis player Stefano Battaglino was suspended 4 years for trace levels of Clostebol in his urine (same drug that was found in Sinners system). But of course he was just some nobody player who would not be missed and who has zero impact on the ATP revenues. He didn't have money for big lawyers and the Moroccan physio certainly wasn't going to implicate himself when no benefit was coming his way...
Darren Cahill is Jannik´s coach, not some independent expert. Of course he is supprting Jannik, or else he loses his job. And people might start looking into Cahill‘s work a bit closer.
@@sa21deThat's really not the point I was going for, obviously being Jannik's coach he supports him but that doesn't change the rest that I have written
Wow! So Sinner is the victim. Definitely different rules to different players. Even normal processes won’t done and everything was being under behind closed doors and worse he was allowed to play. These guys here ☝🏿 are hypocrites. Simona Halep and Maria Sharapova never got this slap in the wrist.
@@elenavarvello1512 he is guilty PLAYERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR TEST RESULTS NIKE and Double standards Slavs and players from the East in the top 10 even. and pretty much any player without a massive American sponsorship deal, would have been banned Look at Troicki and what happened to him. BANNED for far FAR less. The elephant in the room is NIKE They have a hundred million dollar contract with Sinner They literally fired half their other players and have banked on sinner and Alcaraz. They are never EVER ging to allow the ATP to ban Sinner unless he is caught with a needle in his glute on camera. DOUBLE STANDARDS for Nike players and westerners This is why people are angry As an American you cant see this sadly
1. There actually is president with a lower ranked player. Marco Bortolotti, same substance and same process, speed and verdict. Where were the complaints when Bortolotti got the same treatment and verdict? Nowhere, because Bortolotti is not the Nr1 in the world. There you have your double standards. 2. The high profile cases mentioned are not really close comparisons and should not be used as false equivalents. In the case of Haleb i understand that: CAS Panel found that Ms Halep did bear some level of fault or negligence for her violations, as she did not exercise sufficient care when using the Keto MCT supplement. Also there were issues with a biological passport not being updated? Different substances, different levels, different type of ingestions, different time frames, etc. My point is that every case is different and should be judged on their own merrit. On itself there is nothing strange or suspect that procedures and outcomes are different for different cases, it would be stranger if this was not the case. 3. it is procedure to not yet publicize when the appeal is overturned and then wait for the final verdict. The whole procedure the rules and by the book also for lower ranked players. 4. Whether you are skeptical or positive about doping. For accusing and banning someone you still need proof and a fair investigation. In this case there was not enough proof and Sinner's defense was deemed highly plausible by 3 experts who could not find any evidence for wrongdoing. Jannik's sportmanship has always been exemplary even going so far as correcting mistakes of referees that went in his favor. Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt after he was cleared by the anti doping comission?
In 2023 Italian tennis player Stefano Battaglino was suspended 4 years for trace levels of Clostebol in his urine (same drug that was found in Sinners system). But of course he was just some nobody player who would not be missed and who has zero impact on the ATP revenues.
Do you understand that different cases get different outcomes? What was Stefano Battaglino his defense on why the substance was in his system? What were the values? What was the verdict of independent expert who review these cases? Do you have any idea before you insinuate things? I already showed you the case of a low ranked player who was acquitted in the same manner as Sinner....
@@alessandrovalente7645 from what I understand he was treated whit something containing Clostebol by a phisyo of the tournament since he didn't have one and then wasn't able to track him so he wasn't able to show enough evidence of his claim. if he was number one then he probably woldn't have been banned but cause he could have been able to aquire enough evidence of what he claimed.
It is important to highlight that three experts were chosen to examine the samples: one nominated by the Sinner side and two by the ITIA, who were unaware of Sinner's involvement. All three experts ruled in Sinner's favor. While we do not have access to the data or the methods used by the experts, I can assert, as an analyst, that there are tools available to uncover non-trivial evidence that could have easily contradicted Sinner's account. However, this was not the case. Of course, one can choose to trust Kyrios' perspective over that of experts and science, but it ultimately comes down to the world in which you prefer to live.
There is a difference between Sinner and Halep (even though Halep was very unfortunate in the end) - Sinner was quick to identify where the contamination comes from "within 5 minutes" and was cleared, combined with the extremely low concentration, and him doing the right work to have prevented it. Sinner asked the right questions when the therapist cut himself, and could've not detected anything. Halep couldn't at the time; in fact she wouldn't be aware of it. In terms of Sinner's legal teams, it was as successful as it appeared how they solved it. We shouldn't speculates with conspiracy theories. We can't say Sinner doesn't deserve justice merely because Halep did not receive it.
Btw, top players did get reputational preferences, even Dahill said it, but they also got tested way more often. We can't ignore that. And silent positives happened more often than one would perceive. Kuznetsova in 2005 was acquitted, but her case was not known at all until a Belgian official accidentally slipped his words. Lepchenko was silently banned for Meldonium until she proved that she'd already stopped ingesting it by the time it was illegal. The more subjective with drug testing is actually "TUE's", which is way more inexplicable (and indeed could lead to preferential treatment), but nothing of its sort is the case here.
Knowing exactly where the contamination came from right away makes it more suspicious lol. How did he immediately know it came from this cream? An innocent person would need time to figure out the source
I am Italian. I'm 66 years old. I use antiseptic sprays containing clostebol anytime I suffer a wound, a sore, an abrasion. At my age using those product means that I heal my small wounds almost ten times faster than using just straight antiseptic, or other product meant to enhamce small wounds healing. This is to say how commen (and how good) it is to have these products available here as over the counter medication here in Italy. Now say that I was in Rome back in April this year, attending with my grandson the final of that ATP Master 1000 torunament. Back then I had some abrasions on my left knee due to a fall I had just a week earlier, that I was treating with Trofodermin spry (a healing ointment containing clostebol) to speed up the healing. We are seated at the front row, and when Sacha Zverev wins the last point I manage to get my grnadson tennis ball signed by Sacha to whom I give the five congratulating for the fantastic performance. I let you imagine the rest.
@@BOZ_11 I bet it's actually far higher than that, or they're at least using substances that will be banned in the near future, take Simone Biles with those neural dampeners.
Looking through these comments is thoroughly depressing. Did any of you watch and LISTEN to what Gill said? He's gone to the trouble to look into exactly what happened, the overuse of this cream with the forbidden contents, explains the process, and comes up with a considered opinion which I think makes complete sense. Do the due diligence, come up with a final result, THEN suspend if found guilty on all counts. Players have been punished in the past and then found to be innocent. Doesn't make any sense. Why does it take so long to look into? Why isn't everyone in a tennis team working in Italy super super careful about what creams they're using? Thank you Gill for your tireless and objective, fair reporting. I'm sure this was as much of a shock for you as it has been for so many of us.
I am Italian and obviously a big Sinner fan, I would just like to clarify a few things: many are wondering why Sinner was not suspended, in fact he was suspended twice and in both cases Sinner (as is his right) appealed and the appeal was accepted, this is the reason why he was able to continue playing. in many, many comments I read the use of double standards because Sinner was not disqualified, here too the explanation is quite simple, if the physiotherapist had applied the cream directly on Sinner for a treatment then there would have been no doubts, Sinner should have been disqualified even if he, as the anti-doping rules establish, was unaware of it. but since the cream was used by his physiotherapist on him and NOT ON Sinner, then the court recognized Sinner's non-responsibility and for this reason they did not disqualify him. in fact we are talking about contamination and not about assumption. that said I am absolutely convinced of Sinner's good faith, even if I fear that all this will influence his career.
So, was the public notified about the incident and suspension. Only after 5 months of continously playing? Who in the right mind will admit that he used the drug on himself and admit it? He maybe a doper but not psycho. You are convinced because you are a fan of him. But most people will think he is the golden boy of ATP's chairman who happens to be Italian as well. Money talks buddy. Now everyone will hire a Italian physio with cut to use that drug!!!
@@harryyongf8424 like in almost every other case that everyone try to compare whit the Sinner one they said they took the substance thremself even if they didn't know they had.
@@harryyongf8424 who is so stupid to assume doping after a control? Ok, sinner use illegal cream or spry. So after a control he use it again and another test find him positive again.Number one of idiots 😂😂😂 innocence?
I just read the whole sentence and I recommend anyone who wants to get a clearer idea on the case to do so. The procedure that Sinner's team applied for seems just allowed by the rules and I am not surprised that they filed urgent immediate appeal when they were notified about the positive tests. My question is, when you compare this case with others, do you actually know if the other athlets you mentioned actually filed immediate appeals and if those cases where actually so "clear" for the tribunal to accept the appeals? Even in the sentence it is written that comparrisons with any other "similar" case should be handled carrefully. Actually, this clarification was intended to reject improper comparrisons with cases that may have been brought in favour of Sinner's position. Lastly, with no evidence of guilt, one is innocent and speculations are not bringing anything new to our knowledge. If we start wandering if Sinner was caught with a negligible amounts of steroids just because he took them weeks before (forgetting about the fact that he is monthly tested and was always negative before and after these two positive tests) we could also be suspicious about any other athlete, even if they were never tested positive. How can we be sure thay they are not doping in between the tests and being just better than Sinner in not being caught? I forgot to mention that doping tests are also often unannounced (as for Sinner's second positive result).
Sinner really sinned with this one, guilty or not. Seriously though, one has to question when this all started, his run realy began at the end of last year after he puked. Maybe they wanted to step in and boost his performance for Turin? Post puke sinner actually post steroid sinner
He got tested every month between april 2023 and april 2024, and never was he positive for illegal substances. It's in the official investigation report
I like what you said at the end of the video, not a lot of people actually know how common doping is in sport. Telling athletes not to dope is essentially the same thing as going to a warzone and telling soldiers to stop using guns. People are goin to try their hardest to win and because of how easy it is for athletes to cheat doping test it should not come as a surprise that almost every top level athlete is utilizing performance enhancing drugs.
@@puaylimsaw5296 I mean the proof is literally the huge physical advantage that comes with taking drugs. It doesn’t only make you stronger (without making you put on a lot of muscle), faster, better endurance, and more explosive but helps a shit ton with recovery allowing the athletes to train more frequently and get better. There a few cases where athletes have gotten caught but the truth is also that the athletes are with help of microdosing and untested newly made drugs able to cheat drug tests. That is the proof
@@puaylimsaw5296 Just spend the time and do the logic, learn about the efficacy of PEDs, look at the limitations of the human body, understand that beyond a certain limit, there is very little a human can do to improve performance. PEDs blow that door wide open, so basically at the very top, where every player is very talented, you are far less likely to be able to overcome a doped opponent with skill over the course of a match, meaning, you pretty much have to dope, unfortunately.
I think they all dope but I also think that if everyone’s doing it it’s no longer cheating and it’s simply just another part of the game. The reason it’s not publicized is that they don’t want to encourage impressionable viewers to also dope and potentially destroy their health
@@BillyBob-xi9ih couldn’t agree more, it is simply just a part of the world of professional sports. But the harm of not publishing anything about the reality of it can be that it sets unrealistic expectations for young athletes growing up thinking that being a professional athlete is a fair and healthy endeavor.
Just to clarify: Direct Administration: If an athlete knowingly takes a prohibited substance, either by self-administration or having it administered by another person (such as a coach or doctor), this is a clear violation of anti-doping rules. In this case, the athlete is fully responsible, and the presence of the banned substance in their system typically results in a doping violation, regardless of intent. Indirect Contamination: If an athlete is unintentionally contaminated with a very low quantity of a banned substance due to actions of a third party, such as a teammate who unknowingly ingests the substance and then passes it on (through shared equipment, food, or other means), the situation is more complex. This could potentially be viewed as an accidental contamination, especially if the quantity found is extremely low and consistent with such a scenario. In these cases, the athlete might still face a doping violation, but there could be mitigating factors considered in their defense, such as lack of intent, the quantity of the substance, and the circumstances of the contamination.
24 GS, 438+ weeks No1, 8 yrs No 1, 40 Masters 1000 titles, 2 carrers gold Masters slams, 7 ATP finals, olympics gold,....GOAT! that is what i call a justice my friend, a justice of GOD
I'll be real about this. It seems to me that Jannik was protected here. I'm not claiming that his excuse is necessarily bogus but it's clear that they treated him differently. I think he should have been suspended based on what I've heard. I find it VERY hard to believe that a professional physio would be using this substance on some kind of open cut while administering massages to the bare skin of his athlete and there would be no thought whatsoever as to the possibility of contamination. They protected one of their golden geese here IMO.
Who are you to claim he should have been suspended (which by the way he was initially, if you really knew what you are talking about)? Are you the director of the doping agency? Or more likely just another hater.
@@FabioSangiorgi-vu5eg I'll tell you who YOU are. You are a Jannik Sinner fan and that's what informs your emotion-based response. I am a tennis fan just commenting on the obvious. This policy is not being enforced in the same way for all players and there is WAY too much subjectivity in how it is enforced.
All aside, this showed that there are no leakages. It is by design that players are outed as dopers and have to defend themselves publicly, which makes them look even worse. Sinner had luxury to just play and win points and money without being treated that way.
Comparisons with other cases are impossible since' different were the substances and quantities '...if in other cases the players have not been well assisted legally is certainly not Sinner’s fault.
I like how Gill puts it - there's really no evidence to conclusively clear Sinner... just opinions of the tribunals and experts when they pore over the "evidence". This whole case is about double standards. Treat every player fairly. If the appeals process is slow, then make it fast for everyone... not just for a top player.
If someone got two dope tests at the same tourney, there should have been immediate suspension and investigation. I agree that the suspensions should be processed rapidly esp if they are minor violations, but keeping it secret from the public reeks of cover-up. Plus the double standards are plainly visible!
Norways best skier Therese Johaug was banned for 13 months after she use a lip balm on a sunburn(while at a training camp in Italy), causing her to miss the olympics. CAS didn’t think she was doping, but still sentenced her. She had 0.000016 mg, strange that two sports have so different outcome.
It was because she used it, herself. Sinner did not use it, and asked what the physio did to treat himself, got a negative answer, which was true, and Sinner would've not known more.
@@peterzhou9267 She got it from the national team cross country doctor who bought it at a local pharmacy. She showed no negligence.
@@peterzhou9267That's what they claim but wouldn't it make sense for the physio to take the heat instead of Jannik?
Also kinda of strange using a bad example as the standard. This is something I have been reading a lot. They treated unfairly X players, so Jannik should get the same treatment too. One point Gill made is that the process he underwent - responsive, fast, publicly discrete should simply be the norm.
Offizielle 13ng/mL that is 0.0013 ng in 1mililiter.
cream/spray on a finger cut.
no wipe off from towel/paper towel.
no wash hand.
no evaporation/absorption.
no band-aid / barrier to block the cut.
and then directly massage to Sinner's body part with lesion.
sounds very unprofessional that it is difficult to believe
that's not what they said.
I am no scientist, but you don't need an open wound to absorb the content of a cream. That's literally how creams work. Any wounds might have just made it easier.
@@SoftNoizeYes, that's how they work - locally, on the skin. And if they get into the bloodstream, they are metabolically processed in the body, and there are no clean traces of them in the urine, even in such small doses as found in Sinner.
Absolutely wrong. This molecule is very easy to be absorbed by the skin and goes very easily into the blood and in the urine. Study mate you're ignorant@@lucijasimlesa1617
How you know he didn't washed hi hands?
Jannik might be innocent but his physio sure isn't. His story is ridiculous. The product has DOPING emblazoned on it. Plus, he wants us to believe he massaged Jannik with an open wound on his finger, yet there's footage of his with a bandage on the finger at that time.
Lol, poor little Jannik, he was clueless. Look what they've done to him.😂
His physio Naldi was fired. Darren Cahill stated that the spray was given to the physio by Jannik’s physical coach, Umberto Ferrara, who is supposed to have a background on pharmaceutics. There is a possibility that Ferrara gave to Naldi the spray on its own, without the container showing the doping symbol. It was a massive failure on both of them and they both lost their job because of it.
The product box does not actually have the word 'DOPING' on it. That was a clever photoshop that made it's way around the internet. There are also several photos of the physio with a bandage on his pinky during Indian Wells.
So, you actually believe in that Darren's made-up fanatastic story, which isn't even an original. Sadly for you.
@@trevorpullen3199 you’re wrong about this. The paper container has a big red warning sign with the word “doping” on it.
If Colostobol is widely known, sholdnt it be easy to avoid than. Does he not have a physio, a massage person, a nutritionist, a coach etc... to monitor this.
The person who (allegedly) exposed him to this was his physio.
The physio did not only expose him but Italian Basket Ball players.
Yes, the physio messed up big time
The spray (it was a spray not a cream). It was given ro the physio by the fitness trainer and was no longer in a box apparently. There is a discrepancy as to whether the fitness trainer warned the physio about the banned substance. The physio said he had no memory of being told.
@@pureffmwhat are you talking about, get wellinformed dirt pleaseee
Double standard is no standard.
they were prepared
That's why it took 5 months
@@seaneckhart9914 No, that's why they found the source of contamination within hours.
Well i like sinner in general, still it's kind of weird that indeed they really kind of knew where the contamination comes from so fast. It's very strange to basically know the root cause or potential root cause in such a quick manner. So it's very strange and that's why I think a lot of people are confused
@D_LEGEND perhaps they already had alibies for possible scenarios, if they build a story credible enough, they will pass all examinations, as these experts reviews are based on plausibility. You just need to have a consistent story and a person to take the blame.
@@blackkitty9054
His therapist had a white bandage on the day he played. For an alibi.
Also, have you ever seen a cheating athlete with huge amount of the banned substance? No. It’s always a trace amount. Why? because the bulk of the drug was mostly washed out of the system.
To enhance performance, prolonged exposure to the substance at therapeutic levels is necessary, not just a one-time occurrence and wash out. Thats your answer. Do whatever you want with it, genius.
Exactly. Sinner was probably taking it after Rotterdam to recover but got the timing wrong so trace elements were picked up not once, but twice. Yeah, nothing to see here.
he was tested every month for 12 months, always negative.
@@weekendhacker false
People will hate hearing this but tennis has been dirty for a very long time. No idea whether Jannik is clean but in general there are many players, including legends past and present, who are practically a walking pharmacy.
A friend has ALWAYS said this and not only about tennis. I'm starting now to believe him! This is a mess! 😢
I wouldn't be surprised and this kind of case makes me even more cynical.
@@David-i8i💯 It feels like the clock is ticking until the emergence of a whistleblower who will do to tennis what was done to professional cycling. It won’t be pretty.
probably true
@@stevo855 Exactly, and the reason people aren't letting this go, in my opinion, is because they are sick of being hoodwinked.
Just watched espn darren cahil sit-down, the key take-away is that ITIA/Sports Resolution felt like the positive result will likely been perceived wrongly by the public,therefore they made the decision on their own to withhold the positive result from the press. As soon as it’s positive,it should be available to the press right away,Shame on the agencies who decided to keep it private for 5 months.
Darren is a sneaky weasel
I can’t help but think that if this happened to Novak, it would be an international scandal, there would be calls to strip him of all his titles, they would label him a cheater, etc. etc.
So many people say this but he’s already had big scandals (lineswoman, partying during COVID, Australia deportation) and his current reputation is fine. He’s a 24 Slam champ and one of the faces of the sport. For all we know there are other scandals and we haven’t heard of them just like we didn’t with Sinner. I wish people stopped acting like he’s some kind of powerless victim. There’s no way Sinner has more power than Novak freaking Djokovic lol
@@BillyBob-xi9ih this is not about presenting some kind of victim, but about double criteria for those who think for themselves and those who do what the big boss says. Such people can smear themselves with whatever you want, no one will say anything.
@@milosminic3827 not following you… is Djokovic the one who “thinks for himself” and Sinner the one who “follows the big boss”? Is that what you’re saying?
@@BillyBob-xi9ih Do you have alexia? Or what...
@@milosminic3827 no I just don’t understand your point. Can you explain it more?
Viktor Troicki was suspended 18 months for not being able to do doping test.
All the checks confirmed his innocence: Enough with meaningless insinuations!!!!!Stop !!!
Bottom line: the Sinner team's story about how the contamination occurred is not remotely believable and full of logical holes.
You know it cause you were there! Wow poor guy you are
the checks confirmed his innocence. Enough with meaningless insinuations, you didn't know the details, you are not en expert . we know that the irrelevant quantity did not alter anything.
But why are so many Italian athletes using this cream or spray ? The question is does Clobestol cream enhance performance? Why would the physio use it daily for 10 days on a cut. It states on the box do not apply to open wounds.
Not a cream. A spray.
because in some countries, like italy, Clostebol combined with Neomycin (antibiotic) make up a cream or spray (commercial name trofodermin) used to treat cuts of the skin.
And Sinner failed 2 drug tests a week apart. Two!
Well if the guy keeps massaging him in two weeks that can happen. Still it was lees of a billionth of a milligram.
@@sebastiantevel898 Which means nothing in this context. The half-live of this steroid is known for being flushed out of the body very quickly, especially applied through the skin. It could have been very higher just a few days before the test was made.
@@sebastiantevel898so the guy kept using the cream for a week, hints his wound didn’t heal after a week?
@@yesun6702 There are photos of the trainer wearing the bandage two weeks a part.
@@yesun6702 Also, research says that the steroid in the spray stay in the system up to 31 days.
You are exactly right about that. Majchrzak in 2023 (player atp 50) was suspended until further notice, he could not enter any court, hold press conferences, he fell into depression because he could not defend himself in the media because he was banned from talking, after 13 months he reached an agreement with the ITF court, although he immediately gave evidence that it was the fault of the company that supplies the supplements and the label did not contain the compound that was in the package. The ITF knew she was right but was unyielding. And Siner trained and played for 4 months, what a joke. The Pole was being persecuted by a doping supporter in the Polish media for months.
Massaging an open wound is a no-no. Massaging with a wound is a no-no either. Both hurts and aggravates the existing condition. Right from the get-go, something is amiss.
Right?!
@@ellcally508 means from the beginning
Conspiratorial people like yourself are ludicrous
They never said that. People are just convincing themselves of whatever sounds odd, in order to keep their conspiracy and their outrage going. Go see some therapists and move on with your lives.
@@Julian_orwell why are you people so defensive when other people do not agree with your thoughts? I am well entitled to my opinion as much as you are. No need to see therapists, nor are we always right.
If no guilt, why the secrecy? Why no suspension during the investigations? That is not fair!
It's not secrecy, it's the law. And I don't really understand why some of you people would be so eager to know about investigations on athletes. What do you get from that? If they end up guilty, they'll be punished, if not, what's the point of knowing immediately before a decision is taken, beside allowing the masses to jump at the throats of athletes (as has happened for every athlete who got publicly exposed)?
Obviously you didn’t watch the video or never read the papers.
Jannik was suspended but he appealed immediately and the suspension was suspended.
Appeal suspension is a right that have every tennis players
it's the law. The real one, not the internet one.
@@TheRockpb Its not "the law." didn't you watch the video?
Agree
So you are telling me that two sane adults…. Sat there and rubbed their open wounds together?
Italy has a massive doping scandal in their country, because their physios can't read a huge red mark with crossed "DOPING" on the package of the spray.....Nobody believes them anymore at this point, no matter what they say. Sinner's career will always be overshadowed with this.
haha yes, the story is so lame and it is ridiculous how some are pretending to buy it.
Very objective take 👍 ...The problem isn't that Sinner was cleared. The problem is that his postive result wasn't publicized and he was allowed to play as the investigation was ongoing. The preferential treatment by the ATP is absolutely unacceptable. Sinner should have gotten a provinsional suspension just like every other player.
The thing is that Sinner got a provisional suspension, twice actually, but both times he appealed to the suspension and both times the appeal was accepted. We can discuss about the fairness of his appeals being accepted (I personally think it was the right decision) but he was actually suspended just like everyone else in these situations.
There are others players able to continue to play...in the same situation...but he has to fire someone in his team
Gill said exactly the opposite: provisional suspensions should be granted to anyone by speeding up the process dispite what their rank is.
Suspension and process does not apply to players from big, western countries and GUCCI models.
For 6mths is what's egregious!
Something's fishy and many unanswered questions.
The results we have are from when Sinner tested positive but we don't know:
1) How many times and when had Sinner been tested since the beginning of year up to the positive test?
2) When did Clostebol entered his body and what was the peak amount?
3) Was it involuntary or voluntary contamination?
4) We don't know if Clostebol doses were small cause involuntary contamination or because the body was flushing it out
5) Why would someone with a cut finger give someone else a massage without wearing gloves???
6) Why are we just learning about this now?
The less transparency the more doubts, questions and perception of unfairness and double standards
Point 1. He surely didn't refuse being tested like Nole did for 3 times, without being sanctioned. Test 2 was a check test taken after 5 days from Test 1. It takes 30 days for a substance to leave the body.
Crazy that Sinner's team were also allowed to make the first PR statement on this and not the ATP or ITIA.. all ped metabolite tests are measured in nanograms per deciliter. language of "billionth of a gram" carefully chosen instead of that. also doesn't mean that the level was not higher at a previous point
It was zero one week earlier, this is why he was believed. As simple as that
@@usermatisse NIKE
and
Double standards
Slavs and players from the East in the top 10 even. and pretty much any player without a massive American sponsorship deal, would have been banned
Look at Troicki and what happened to him. BANNED for far FAR less.
The elephant in the room is NIKE
They have a hundred million dollar contract with Sinner
They literally fired half their other players and have banked on sinner and Alcaraz. They are never EVER ging to allow the ATP to ban Sinner unless he is caught with a needle in his glute on camera.
DOUBLE STANDARDS for Nike players and westerners
This is why people are angry
As an American you cant see this sadly
@@usermatisse of course he is going to stop using after he was caught. come on now.
@@nolefan0108 difficult to be able to read. EARLIER. And zero was in every test that has happened in the previous year.
@@HarrisLorenzo fair. I misread the comment. My bad. But still doesn't cover up what happened.
Cahill is shady af.
He got preferential treatment. The story that Cahill gave was such 💩. It was like a teenage boy lying about his homework to the principal. This is a horrible look for the sport
@@stm.natural_selection This is a permanent stain on Sinner, his team and atp. They can try to explain it away but the fact is he tested positive for a banned substance and should have been punished or suspended. This looks very bad esp as the no1 player in the world. 🤦🏼
@@jikan-tabi-1888 "The administration of Clostebol must have happened around the time of the Event since the Player has been tested, on average, once a month over the 12-month period between April 2023 and March 2024, and none of the previous tests gave rise to any AAF for Clostebol (or any other Prohibited Substance)".
@@jikan-tabi-1888 There is nothing to "explain away" is there?
It entered his system through no fault of his own and it didn't affect his performance so it makes no sense for him to be punished.
It's innocent until proven guilty, so unless you have any evidence that he did it on purpose (or that it helped his performance) you have no right to say he should be banned.
Yup
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten😂
Come on GILL.
Say it plain and streit.
He was treated differently because he was not only No.1 but from western world.
Imagine if he was RUSSIAN or CHINESE player.
As for the dose. It was one belionth at the time of test.
Before that, we dont know.
Soo....
So sports resolution/ITIA has the power to withhold a confirmed positive result from the public(from March to August),and only release the news whenever they deem appropriate to protect certain player public view on him?The trust is broken,,and the system is no longer transparent. It’s corruption.Positive result is positive result,press and the public has the right to know right away,there’s no out/in of context concern, Jannik.S atp no.1 tested positive is the factual/only context
@@JinkaiHuang wrong take. If the preliminary ban is successfully appealed within the given timeframe of 5 days. ITIA by LAW is not allowed to release the information to the public. Since Sinner successfully appealed in a matter of days IATA followed standard procedure to publish after the outcome of the trail was established. Bye bye coverup conspiracy, im sorry. Yes this is also procedure with lower ranked cases and there are many presidents. Bortolotti for instance.
@@alessandrovalente7645 and this is the grey area that allows the positive test to kept in dark for 5 months
“14.4.3 The ITIA in its discretion may at any time disclose to other organisations such information as the ITIA may consider necessary or appropriate to facilitate administration or enforcement of this Programme”
Whenever they “may consider necessary or appropriate “ so it could be a week or 5 months,that’s unfair,it’s the loophole
@@alessandrovalente7645 there’s no “5 days time frame “ listed anywhere on ITIA website,where did you get that information from ?
Gill say what you want but in the case of Victor Troicki that you didn’t mention at all was much less suspicion but guy get banned for 18 months. Victor came for blood test with high fever. Was sent by agency doctor back to hotel and told to come next morning . Doctor in appeal process confirmed that as true . He came next morning and did testing . Got suspended for 18 months for not making himself available, even he did. He was there. Appeal court reduced his sentence to 12 months. The fact that you didn’t make episode on that and that process took so long tells that for this or that reason players are not treated equally. BTW he tested negative!!! Fishy fishy.
Of course Victor is Serbian...so it's ok.
I shudder to think if it was Novak!!????
Your logic is like this: something unfair happened, so every singles decision in the future must also be unfair.
@@lor7780 The point is that the amount of unfairness seems to be proportional to who you are.
@@ronjotner8068 I mean...Novak refused to do a doping test nine months ago. 😂
My issue is also if he was positive on march 18th in Miami why he only lost points in Indian Wells?
It was Notified in miami
Miami began on the 20th
Because it related specifically to those tests at IW and just after and they weren't even notified till after Miami.
@@paolofazzini6460 No, test was conducted on 18th of March (first round of miami open). I know Sinner didnt play because he has bye 1st round. They were notified in April. My issue is if player has substance on the first day of the tournament why is no one adressing that now but just indian wells. Do you need to have substance during whole tournament to be stripped because i am sure that is not the case. This situation is very suspicious because how its handled.
@@markoberdovic9413I see your point. Honestly, I don't know the rationale behind these procedures.
One has to ask why this wasn’t made public immediately and why the ATP came forward when they did? Have to assume there was a whistleblower or something. Otherwise they probably would have swept this under the rug.
This isn’t whether he’s innocent or not. It just shows how corrupt the ATP is. It needs fixed.
Agree
His physio was involved in a similar case with another athlete one year ago so he knew exactly the implications. Even if you are stupid you won't do it twice unintentionally. I'm afraid I'm a sceptic in this case, too many things smell. Objective take Gill.
That sinner is guilty or not I find the affair very weird and the double standards treatment for sinner compare to other players for the same case in the past is not right ! Anyway it’s gonna follow sinner for the rest of his career
It's like in a normal trial, you cannot never compare 2 accused who have committed the same crime. It all depends on how they committed it, the intentionality and the modality. There are many nuances that determine the change in punishment. It's a very normal thing and if you look at the various suspensions of tennis players for doping-related crimes, each one was evaluated in a diferent way even when they were not intentional guilty. In Sinner case for example, the percentages found were so minimal that they would not help even an ant improve performance, furthermore, 5 minutes after the accusation was formalized, it was discovered where the involuntary contamination came from contrary to other cases. That's why he wasn't suspended like other tennis players.
Is it? I feel like we’re gonna talk about this for several months and it will be mostly forgotten after a few years. Sure it’ll be brought up every once in a while but it’s not gonna be a defining thing unless there are further developments.
@@BLACKMARKETITALY Novak is GOAT
the standard treatment is not right, not sinner treatment, also it's different because he could prove immediately what went wrong. The players are responsible for themselves and what their staff give to them ( not what the staff take which can contaminate the player).
They should focus on other medicals not prohibited which are taken regularly by players and not a billionth of a gram of a substance which has no effect at all.
@@BLACKMARKETITALY eh? his levels were low because he was cycling out!
As soon as he was caught (twice)with the prohibited substance he should have been temporarily banned. Period. The story about him asking for an emergency meeting stinks of double standards.
Are emergency meetings offered to all tennis players that test positive? I doubt it very much.
@@diegoescaneroereza4900 they asked for it.What I doubt is that every tennis player has the possibility of asking for it so fast and having the evidence for why they asked for it immidiatly and there money play a big factor for sure.
It's the procedure, of course having with you the best legal team helps, this aspect is very underestimated in all comments I read in american channels. Context matters. Check the case of Bortolotti.
@@diegoescaneroereza4900yes it's in the rules. Jannik and his team acted very quickly. I think a key factor was that they were able to locate the most probable source very quickly..the fitness trainer knew he had it so it would have been almost immediately discovered. That's not to say that the delays to Halep's appeals were fair, they weren't.
Explanation from Sinner's camp reminds me of "The dog ate my homework".
😂😂😂😂😂
The Chilean people are quite angry because the case was similar to Nick Jarry’s… he was suspended for 11 months and it took him around 3 years to come back to where he was….
No, they are different
Sinner was definitely favored by some big people, there's no other explanation. They kept this under the rug for a pretty long time and his appeal was instantly accepted. Other players have received a way harsher treatment. The double standards that they are using is terrible for the sport, they are losing credibility.
What titles did Sinner obtain while “ drugged” ?Those titles have to be removed .
Someone kept this hidden from a public for a four months. I would like to know who and why, that's all.
Its standard procedure when the ban is appealed and uplifted to wait with with publications and statements untill the final outcome of the investigation.
@@alessandrovalente7645 Thanks on the clarification.
@@alessandrovalente7645 it is not. all other players who appealed were still banned and their positive test(s) were published.
I can only imagine what the situation would be like if this happened to Djokovic....
Banned for life with serious possibility to lose trophies.
Olympic Gold in Paris for sure.
His legacy would be destroyed by media.
Or Serena
The fedal copers would have a full-on seizure and have to be resuscitated with a defibrillator 😂
Djokovic fans have accused Nadal of doping his entire career, and he has NEVER failed a doping test in 20+ years lol
@vukasinmaric83 Nothing. If he could show the source, would be treated the same.
Nobody noticed that Sinner got no ranking points from Indian Wells? Amazing. I would think those that follow the game very closely would have noticed the missing points and made a story out of it. Aside from that I will never look at Sinner the same way again despite the story. He and his team don't look so good. And the special treatment really turns me off. Hurts the whole game of tennis.
The ranking points weren't deducted until after the decision by the tribunal was published. The positive result wasn't even given to the team until after Miami
It wasn't special treatment, it was all within the rules..Andy Roddick said it's never made public until a suspension comes into force and he was able to successfully appeal the suspension. According to Cahill this was through Sports Resolutions. The ITIA then took it to the Independent Tribunal. The team would have known that it would be made public once that decision was made so it's not about secrecy. And as for not looking at him the same again, that is the tragedy of this situation for a young man found to be at no blame.
@@joannemoore3976 I don't think your point changes my points at all. It was never reported when the points were deducted whenever they were deducted. It does bring up the question of when points are deducted for others who were caught with banned substances in their systems. Keep in mind that if there was an unfair delay in deducting the points it would have put him in better position with ranking and seeding in tournaments. I don't know if in Sinner's case if it would've mattered. He still may have been ranked where he was. But, still, I'm against preferential treatment.
@@smurfette1509 it was reported after the tribunal when the judgment was made.
Advice for other players: Identify items that contain banned substances and recruit someone on your team to "accidentally" administer them to you. Then, you can win tournaments and avoid penalties by claiming you "unknowingly" ingested the substance.
It's impossibile that the quantity of Cloreston found in Sinner's analisys could transform someone in a super heroe
@@user-fk1os3nb3q I'm not saying Sinner cheated (which I don't think he did) and also it depends when you get tested but I'm indicating there is this loophole in the system others can exploit.
@@user-fk1os3nb3q AT THE TIME OF TESTING. Thats important to note. the levels of a medication begin to go down once you take them because your body utilized them and excretes it. The level of tylenol you take at 8am will not be the same level you have at 8pm, thats why your headache comes back
@@user-fk1os3nb3q Steroids don't make you stronger, they make muscle growth easier
If Jannik was doping in early February to mid-February, used that to see increased benefits in training for the month of February and then stopped doping almost all of the drugs he took would have left his body by the time he got tested on March 10th, we would have seen drug test results similar levels to what was found
I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm saying that low levels on a drug test doesn't mean you didn't see performance benefits from that drug and we just can't know
Are you actually this stupid or are you simply trolling?
Although completely different cases but it's weird that Jenson Brooksby gets an automatic 18 months for missing the test and Jannik gets no suspension, for a positive test (and no public announcement until 5 months later).
Well Brooksby missed 3 in a row. Sinner did get suspended but successfully appealed, with 3 experts concluding his explanation was highly plausible
missed 3 tests in a row, should have been banned for life lmao
Why was Sinner privilaged ?Simona Halep (Romania)Marin Cilic (Croatia),Viktor Troicki (Serbia)..all got a long suspencion .abd was cleared after all.See the patern?And it's not because he was nb1.Simona was former nb1.Marin Cilic was also in top 10.And I bet if they found that supstance in Djokovic's or Iga's blood they would be suspended..fast.
@@lor7780 😂
@@BillyBob-xi9ih that is quite sketchy 😂
This is just so disgusting. Treat everyone the same and if not, treat the have-nots better.
Guess what? A lower ranked player was treated the exact same way...
@@coma5laeki so disgustings are you comments , you don't know any details so .please stop with meanigless insinuazioni, only envy and badness
IMO Sinner knowingly took the banned substance to recover after Rotterdam but his team got the timing wrong leaving trace amounts in his system enough to test positive twice. He should be suspended and unable to play pending appeals and a decision. This is utter bs. To think that Pospisil got a strike against his name for being available for a test but indicating it was 'out of competition' instead of 'in competition' says all you need to know about the preferential treatment given to the top players. Ridiculous. Sinner now permanently on my shit list and should be on everyone's.
I couldn't agree more
Do you have any evidence or do you just have this theory you thought of?
Because without proof it means nothing and it's ridiculous to judge a player who never did anything wrong and has shown nothing but integrity just because of some theory you made up...
"Normally, when a player fails a drug test, there is a Provisional Suspension triggered and the public is notified once the Provisional Suspension is triggered." But we were kept in the dark for 5 months (unlike what we've come to expect in other cases) Some say it's because the PS was appealed and lifted, but the rules say that it need only be "imposed or accepted" - nothing about if it's successfully appealed, it's confidential.
The public has to be notified only when the Suspension is actually triggered, which basically never happened due to the (probably expensive) Sinner's lawyers.
'Normally' doesn't mean 'always'.
It still is now something that could follow Jannik his entire career, particularly if he ever gets into Big 3 territory (consider all the crazy conspiracy theories between Fedal fans and Nole fans).
@@HeavyTopspinbro it was one billionth of a gram that came from treatment of a small cut on his finger. Chill
@@lucaboscia5443 Hey, I'm a Sinner fan, but you know there are people out there who will use anything to tear down another player to prop up their favorite.
@@lucaboscia5443 You do not really know anything about cycling and life especially?
What I don’t get is the physio. Why is he using this stuff on a minor cut for (a minimum) of eight days? Why is he massaging Sinner during that time with a substance on his hand that he knows a) is a potential doping risk and b) highly transmissible. Bizarre and inexplicable.
I also can't believe that Sinner would have one massage guy. How on earth would a specialist do this, when he has a cut?
He was massaging it into his body.
because Sinner is too poor to hire a temp masseuse 🙂
Because the story is most likely not true
"It was not Sinner's mistake, and it was not intentional". Do you really think that others who got banned from 2 to 4 years all said - "it was intentional"? They all said the same thing Sinner said.
Double standards. ATP needs the views and money from the world #1.
Inform yourself. Intentionality isn't everything. For example Jarry was suspended even tho it was deemed unintentional because the tribunal found that in his case there was negligence from the athletes. No double standards here, different outputs for different cases, that's how laws work.
Read the actual report. The details matter. Taking a tainted supplement is a different level of culpability than being unknowingly exposed because of someone else's mistake that you had nothing to do with. You think there's a double standard because you haven't read the facts. The cases are substantially different.
It is Sninner who is responsible for what enters his body and what does not. Can't blame anyone else. It's ridiculous to say it's not his fault.
timeline of previous clean tests combined with the concentration found at the failed test can give a determination of if a person took a dosage of a "useable" amount to increase performance in that time. in sinners case its literally impossible. for Haleps case(and nearly every other case of a positive test), she had a high enough concentration at the time of testing that its very possible she took a high enough dose between her previous clean test and the positive test..
If i tested you today for THC and it came back positive at XXX concentration and i knew you had been tested 2 weeks ago and it was clean. I can make a determination that if you had smoked weed the day of your previous test, you would have still a concentration of XXX in your system. If its 1000 times lower than that, and you claim that you walked into a room and someone was smoking weed there and you immediately walked out, id be inclined to believe that. 1 inhalation from a joint would leave XX concentration after 2 weeks and you can work out the math.
drug tests are not a pass/fail. they get a very accurate concentration also. which means with a previous test timeline and a follow up (positive test) a week later you can determine how much was the maximum possibly used in that time.
@@2394098234509 Have you read what I wrote? Do you really think any tennis player who got banned 2 to 4 years said: "I knowingly exposed myself. It was intentional". They all said the same thing like Sinner. Yet, they got banned from tennis for years. While double standards were applied in Sinner's case.
Now we know why he did not participate in the Olympics
It has nothing to do with it, he was allowed to play..indirectly it may have contributed to his illness
Uh… no we don’t
Just because 2 things could be related doesn’t mean they 100% are
@@BillyBob-xi9ih would have made such a good Olympic story - NOT!
Why do you say stupid things like this? Are you even thinking before commenting?
I am pretty sure he was told not to play the Olympics OR that he uses some sort of doping that could be detected with super advanced doping tests run at the Olympics and that these tests would be held for years and that these tests could have been proven to contain doping agents in years time. I also believe that players like Aryna Sabalenka skipped the Olympics due to fear of doping tests as I do not believe she is clean. My opinion of Sinner is that he all of a sudden became this superfast hardcourt player and was expected to win both on hard court and on the clay, even his odds at FO this year was the lowest ones, and thereby he was the favourite to win ahead of Alcaraz. I have noticed that he can easily play superquick tennis for like 2 sets and then he declines a bit, and I have been thinking about blood doping. Sinner lost a match the year before and you could sense he would loose as he seemed to totally lack confidence at the end of the match which lasted very long. Nobody talked about him and that he would be the favourite to win slams, he has been at the top section to win slams, but not at all a favourite before beating Djokovic. I believe Alcaraz will be the one who will win most slams per year and that Sinner will loose his number 1 ranking very soon and he does not deserve to be so hyped. He even has a Russian girlfriend at the moment and we all know what Russians do, so that is not good for his image.
He is skinny, tall and I rememeber that I thought he had all of a sudden become insanely quick in a final against Alcaraz this year, and that I did not see a chance for Alcaraz to beat him after Sinner won the first set. I am not naive anymore as I have understood a lot more about how things work, and WADA is obviously not in rule over all of the athletes as we see that some athletes are treated way better.
What I really dont understand is how super duper mega fast this case was solved and Sinner found innocent while other supreme athletes in their sports, like Therese Johaug in cross-country skiing, with a higher dose of clostebol, was banned for several years. And I do not believe that the massage therapeut did not know that the spray he used was on the doping list. Not someone working with a super rich guy like Sinner, it is way too sloppy... And if that is the case I would have fired him if I was Sinner.
I would assume many other top tennis
players use blood doping as it has
incredible effects and that Sinner is not a moron so the failed drug test is probably due to the fact that his therapist indeed used that spray but many of the top athletes dopes and are not caught as they have expert help and advice. We have to remember that tennis is played for like 10.5 months of the year and how the hell can someone excel in several tournaments in a row without some sort of boosting agents? The difference between clostebol and blood doping is not comparable by any means, but I have seen some people from certain countries with insane stamina and you can all see that many tennis players have that. I actually believe Kyrgios is 100% clean and Nishikori is for sure clean as he always looks super exhausted in his matches
Some players (like Halep) took a long time to process because she didnt know where the contamination could have come from. She had to test the vitamins that she didnt declare initially. Plus her levels were high which means it was ingested regularly.
Dont blame Sinner for having efficient lawyers
Please don't explain this to Gill (even though he should already know all these facts) or his toxic fanbase might explode
Sharapova banned
Halep banned
Troicki banned.
The pattern is very simple.
If you are orthodox and from eu east block = ur banned.
If you are eu west block = its low dose he can play.
What did Nadal said when Djokovic was prisoned at AUS open - RULES ARE RULES.
Why isnt this applied now ???
Tennis is not a sport anymore after Djokovic is only one left from big 3 , ATP has to boost potential players that can win over him Politics is unreal these days.
Thanks for the video
Where are you from? I'm from Russia and I understand you very well... I can imagine how many nasty things will be written about me now. And I didn't choose where I was born.
@@user-mo1jg3tk4f be proud where u are from my friend. I respect your country and its contributions to the world. Putin is not Russia.
Big salute to casual people.
Really??? You think Sharapova was from the East block She is more American than Trump! She probably doesnt even know were Russia is! Also Djokovic faked a covid test to enter a country illegally He should still be in prison It has nothing to do with west or the East If you are a cheater (like Djokovic is) you should get punished So for Sinner not to be banned is an absolute scandal
Yup. Tennis deeply biased towards Northern and Western Europeans.
Video was worth it for the Gill Gross saying a little bit Gross with a smirk 😏.
Keep up the great content
Sinner has sinned. Case closed
Gill gross did you know that Mr AndreaGaudenzi (an italian ex tennis player) currently serves as Executive Chairman of the ATP Tour.
When reporting stories I wish all reporters would tell us ALL THE TRUTH.
The thing is Sinner during January-April was flying and crushing everybody. So, the ATP Italian President made sure to announce the news after things got normal.
@pianolove5690 The ATP Italian President, Gaudenzi, made sure to announce the news right after Sinner won a big title in Cincy. He probably thought it would be swept under the rug.
"The administration of Clostebol must have happened around the time of the Event since the Player has been tested, on average, once a month over the 12-month period between April 2023 and March 2024, and none of the previous tests gave rise to any AAF for Clostebol (or any other Prohibited Substance)".
@pianolove5690 Italy has a massive doping scandal in their country, because their physios can't read a huge red mark with crossed "DOPING" on the package of the spray....This will always remain as a stain on Sinner's career, if you like it or not. People will not forget.
What medical professional touches a person without gloves when one or both have an open wound?
I hate when I accidentaly get steroids from my physio just before a big tournament match. That's so unlucky 😔
What if his physio has STD?😅
It's unprofessional and unlucky.
physio never use gloves, that’s it, ask any professionals
One point you didn’t touch…why this case was keep quiet 🤫🤔
Yes he did, Gill addressed it, is was because the appeals were accepted
If it was “contamination”, the body will clear it to a point where a trace amount will not be found at a drug test, unless it was given immediately before the drug test, which is also not believable.
If it's common occurrence he should have know better. He managed to lift suspension in one day, that's crazy
Why having a quick justice is even a problem? We complain when these procedures last forever, and now we complain because it's too fast?
@@andrealupoli871 Everything was prepared in advance from a Sinner's camp about this case. That's our insuination. Do we have right to express doubt about this complet situation?
@@andrealupoli871 You Italians are not objective about this case at all.
@@domagojhrgovic7419 this answer is biased
@@bobgeorges You stay with insinuations (your words), I stay with facts. Good luck
He should be banned right now, period.
I have never seen such a double standard in any sports. It doesn't matter how low amount of matter there is in a body, because players time their doping's so there is no evidence the longer the time passes, the less evidence of substances there is. So offenders time when they are doping so there is non left when they come to major tournaments where they know will be tested
Truth is usually very simple. Lies are quite elaborate and complex, just saying. Random scalpel cut, no gloves etc sus af. Definitely differential treatment which is causing biggest uproar. Sadly I’m not as much a fan now of sinner or draper.
Truth is complex, that's why things like science and philosophy esist. Believing what one wants to believe is the simplest choice and that's what you're doing
@@plelist2281 i believe it’s sus af
Draper? Relevance? OMG
@@michaelespinosa9168 People don't want to look at it that way because they're desperate for him to not be guilty. I like him as a player but I can't just turn my brain off.
@@stef_v exactly I feel the same way like Saigon kick 1990
You say that other players were not able to avoid provisional suspension also because they were not top players… this is NOT TRUE! See the case of Bortolotti, no. 350 in the world, who was found having Clostebol in his body just like Jannik and his case was resolved just as quickly with no suspension!
Also, Simona Halep and Maria Sharapova were also tennis legends and had enough money to hire the best lawyers but still they did not have their suspensions lifted, and the reason is that they had INGESTED banned substances and was more difficult for them to provide evidence of their innocence
Battaglino another Italian player - Clostebol trace amounts found in his urine. In 2023 he was banned FOR 4 YEARS.
this the correct answer, thats why all people flaming sinner makes 0 sense. Sinner is no doper
Halep's report mentioned that the concentration found in her would have required her to ingest TUBS of the supposedly contaminated supplement.
most logical and appropriate statement about this situation
the reason for Bortolotti getting off is blacked out/ redacted in the ITIA report so it's not known why.... Battaglino was actually presenting the same defence as Sinner - that a physio contaminated him. But Battaglino is a player with no money and a Moroccan physio is not going to testify for him with no benefit.
*easily absorbed, Gill hahaha definitely not contagious, but we all got the gist of it!
Now in regards to the whole doping mess. All the evidence presented does add up with Jannik's defense. Especially now that people have posted clips of his physio with a bandaged finger during one of his IW matches. And I do want to believe in Jannik's integrity and, ultimately, his innocence in this whole ordeal. However, that would also force me to believe that such disregard for an athlete's safety and outright incompetence was indeed in place by his physio... which does seem suspiciously unlikely, but not entirely impossible, I suppose. All that being said, the fact that it was essentially covered up for 5 months by the ATP (an association currently ruled by an Italian chairman) does raise a few eyebrows... Now, regardless of the potential shady business, it is true that the bigger issue here is "different rules for different players" and that the inconsistency in due process when it comes to failed doping cases is painfully embarrassing. Finally, people jumping to defend Jannik solely on the grounds of "IT WAS JUST A BILLIONTH OF A GRAM" clearly do not have a solid grasp on drug consumption, metabolism, and general anatomy. Yes, only 1 billionth of a gram was found, which is below performance-enhancing levels. Does that mean that ONLY 1 billionth of a gram was initially ingested? Absolutely not. It could've been more, significantly more, still below performance-enhancing levels, right at performance-enhancing levels, or even above that. We will never really know, so there is no point in using the amount found in any of these dabates as it doesn't prove much more than just the pressence of the drug in his system, which in turn does not necessarily prove intention of doping or performance-enhancing practices.
I wouldn’t be surprised If it’s intentional doping.
Very suspicious excuse.
Let’s not stop talking about this & don’t let them sweep it under the rug
Dude, you do such a terrific job in dwelling into these matters. These depths of information are usually not digestible in the mainstream media, therefore, keep up the good work!
Indeed!
He got preferential treatment. Let's just call it what it is.
And what is even worse they tried to cover it up.
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
The procedure surrounding this was blatantly biased because of Sinner's commercial pull as the world #1 and a young superstar. However, if this standard is applied in all future cases, there will be less outrage. Nonetheless, I would like to see WADA submit an appeal on the ruling due to the questionable procedure and, perhaps, on the merits. The trace levels of the steroid in his system only represents what remained when he was tested, it is not a direct indicator of what he took.
@@AtlasPharaoh yes, the tests are focused on the trace amounts for a reason. Most has been already cleared.
Yes that should definitely happen. I must say if it was really accidental how on earth did they know right away what was the cause? That’s not plausible, I am sorry but it is not. They were able to identify the cause right away because they knew very well what it was!!! Please just stop and think!! Use your gut feeling! And they repeated the process one more time!! WOW!
Fans spend a lot of money to watch and follow their tennis so we deserve to see that these matters are dealt with properly and with equity for all. The rules are the rules and further more we should have been told right away when he tested positive and twice, really and they knew what it was and yet repeated doing it a second time???
PLEASE EXPLAIN!
What a shame this is. 😮
please read the tribunal sentence, they believed on the contamination as they say sinner was tested for antidoping once every month from april 2023 to march 2024 and it was always found negative to any doping substance, so the very minimal trace they found on march 10th and 18th couldn't be a residue of an intentional consuption prior to that dates, it only could be a non intentional contamination, that's what th sentence say
In 2023 Italian tennis player Stefano Battaglino was suspended 4 years for trace levels of Clostebol in his urine (same drug that was found in Sinners system). But of course he was just some nobody player who would not be missed and who has zero impact on the ATP revenues.
@@matteoagostinelli7389”tribunal sentence” is BS
Imagine if it was a Russian player. I doubt the outcome would be the same
or Serbian for e.g.
nonsense !!!
Well-explained. Double-standard is real, and ridiculous. Sinner failed the test TWICE back to March and April, and the public was kept in the dark for nearly 5 months. Something fishy in Sinner’s team, maybe they need 4-5 months to come up a “good” story to cover what actually happened.
You know nothing of his the law works mate. No double standards, Sinner presented a lot of evidence to prove he was innocent. This is why there is nothing fishy, stop the BS
@@usermatisseSo did Djokovic in Australia but he was arrested, but in jail for 10 days and deported shortly after.
@@usermatisse if nothing fishy, then the world should know of the test result and appeal result in april.
@@usermatisse Henri Matisse feels very ashamed that someone like you borrowed his name and one of his works to create a RUclips account.
@@milostomic8539 that was the Australian government, not the atp, it has nothing to do. If you just want to have tantrums do it somewhere else
Check the case of Marco Bortolotti, very similar, happened recently, and he is only n.355
Italian again? How come, what a coincidence! Like the 38 sportsmen banned for the same substance in the last 4 years. Or should we speak how the physio put a strip on his finger once the test was out, the previous matches he didn’t have it? Again amazing coincidence!
@@soulm8here108the reason there are so many Italians is that Clostebol is only sold over the counter in Italy, in most other countries it is much much harder to get it.
@@soulm8here108 they are always italians because clostebol is sold without receipt here in italy
@@soulm8here108a coincidence, there is also another guy from another European country.
@@soulm8here108 Are you implying that Italians are in general cheater? Please be very very clear on this
1:54 there is really nothing here hard to understand. Just look up ATP CEO and ATP chairman, you will understand everything!
Retribution for the cheating that went on against italian female boxer eehhhh? 😊
I think EVERYONE needs to agree that if this happend to Novak he wouldn't be able to play for quite some time
In a recent interview for serbian tv Novaj said that after he won gold they were ready to test him after the interview, this kind of thing would never happen to sinner ot Alcaraz and i gotta say that after this i will no longer support sinner in any kind of way.
I think they are all tested, at least once a month
Ohhh what a tragedy... You won't support Sinner anymore? 😅😅😮😮 Who gives a s.hit mate? 😂😂😂
Novak has nothing to do with this... If it was Novak the ruling would be completely the same as with Sinner and Bortolotti. The main difference would be that you would say it was all a big conspiracy to tarnish Novak his reputation.
@@alessandrovalente7645 if this was Djokovic the Fedal copers would be seeking to tear down his entire career. don't be obtuse about it.
@@eugenos75 maybe, but they keep on testing Novak in moments that are not appropriate, like after a Davis cup match during his press conference (they were in the room waiting for him to be over) and literally after winning an OLYMPIC GOLD. Alcaraz would never been treated this way, and if he was treated we would now bc it would be all over the news an people would shame the testing team
Even if you would consider okay that they tested Novak right after he won a tournament, they should've done that to sinner now , especially being aware of the situation in march
"Different rules for different players" - Dennis Shapovalov.
Yes which is wrong. Bortolotti, n.350 got exactly the same treatment as Sinner n.1. check by yourself in Google. Same outcome, innocence for both, both was kept secret till the sentence and both got the suspension lifted. Justice worked so perfectly
@@usermatisseIt would be nice if you could ask Maria Sharapova, Simona Halep, Marin Cilic and Viktor Troicki for their opinion on this matter.
@milostomic8539 their cases were different, but may I ask you: would you have been more sympathetic with Sinner would he have been treated as badly and proven not guilty? As Gill said Sinner case should be the blue print not the outlier, the hope is it will be so no one will have to suffer as those athletes you mentioned
@@chiaratrani9923 Before Cilic was proven not guilty he was suspended for 9 months.
That happened in 2013.
@@milostomic8539 that does not answer my question though does it? Cases as I said are different and if Cilic couldn't prove his innocence right away maybe that's why he was suspended, plus again you mention a case from 2013, 11 years on shouldn't the system be better? And shouldn't we be better knowing how these cases have destroyed athletes? That was my question
The fact that he was penalize says a lot. He is either wrong or right not in between
Those are the atp rules… either innocent or guilty
He should be banned. Period!
Agree
He shouldn’t, he didn’t take the substances directly there is no reason to ban him there is no way it would have enhanced his performance in any way possible.
@@Hacob1200 He Should. 1.) There is no way to prove he didn't take them directly. 2.) The last 50 people in Jannik's situation were banned, -immediately. Make it make sense.
Agree
@@NashTV8 that's not true. Check Marco Bortolotti's case. Inform yourself.
Mail question: Sinner lost points dou to doping scandal and if the points were removed earlier Djokovic would have more weeks as World N1. Why removed points only now? Why not before? What is your opinion?
as a skeptic who also was inspired by sinner to start playing and watching tennis religiously again, i've been embarrassingly upset about this whole thing (seriously i literally never have and never will meet the guy). obviously the ambiguity of the situation is bothering me a ton, but even more than that I think it's pretty shitty that he was allowed to play and make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars while less fortunate players who likely needed tennis as their primary source of income at all times lost out on their salaries for YEARS while their cases were pending.
But really don't you think Carlos, Novak and Nadal and to a lesser extent Roger were doing stuff over the years? Novak with his gluten free diet went from a guy who would retire after to playing 90 minutes to playing 6 hour matches with Nadal overnight? Carlos who was this skinny kid to an extremely muscular guy in 6 months ? Ask yourself how would any human play a 54 ball rally followed by 35 ball rally then a 25 ball rally at the US Open final 15 years ago between Nadal and Novak ? Drugs PED's is part of the show. The show is entertaining and selling tickets.
@@Kaneki Guys you are bringing in unrelated stuff. Sinner’s case has nothing to do with the other cases where players were banned. The protocols are very strict but there is no indication that Sinner got preferential treatment. There are presidents of lower ranked players who got the same outcome from their case as Sinner. But all cases are different and different outcomes are to be expected. What i do not understand about the skeptics that think everything is unfair and nothing is to be trusted: Why even believe in the failed drug test? Maybe the positive results are also made up by an evil villain?
@@alessandrovalente7645 Maybe skeptic wasn't the right word. I believe the story they have, but think there are a lot of details not available to the public. I'm torn up about it because I don't have enough information to feel comfortable making a judgement call.
I'm also not arguing that he received special treatment due to some ATP/ITF conspiracy. Jannik's wealth and luck (in being able to quickly determine the source of contamination) afforded him the best possible approach to the situation and protocols in place, where other players didn't have either of those luxuries. A framework that rewards expensive lawyers and literal luck is by definition unfair, ESPECIALLY when it affects both an individual's reputation as an honest player and their ability to rely on their primary source of income.
To be clear-none of this is Jannik's fault, he pretty much just got lucky in a situation that I don't think luck should play any part in.
Seeing a lot of privilege bashing in comments about Sinner in all of the videos I have viewed----surprises me that people are surprised!
@@alessandrovalente7645 when I saw a 54 ball followed by a 30 ball rally followed by a 25 ball rally in the US Open final with RRRRAFA AND NOVAK I knew they were both using. It doesn't take a genius to use one's eyes.
The court sentence accepted Sinner’s version that he had asked his physio, Naldi, whether he was taking something for the wound, and Naldi denied taking any medication to Jannik. Darren Cahill stated that the spray was given to Naldi by Ferrara, Jannik’s physical coach, and it’s possible Naldi received it without the container with the doping warning. In any case, it was a massive failure from Naldi and Ferrara, and they were both fired.
They have not being fired
@@RadaRada-zx4of yes, they have. Darren Cahill pretty much confirmed it to ESPN.
As an Italian and as a long time fan of Jannik I was quiet surprised when I first read the news and I understand people being skeptical about it given the fact that it was all kept in secrecy until yesterday. But I think there should be some clarifications to be made on this topic.
As Darren Cahill said in the interview with ESPN which I highly recommend everyone to watch, Jannik was notified only after winning in Miami, and was immediately provisionally suspended. The reason why it wasn't made public is that on the same day his legal team lodged an appeal for both suspensions explaining that Sinner had no fault in it. Now, according to the ITIA this kind of "emergency meeting" is indeed a feature of the rules and these rules also say that no public announcement can be made until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So an arbitrator (not a tribunal) heard Sinner's team and decided to lift the suspension. And only now in August a tribunal reviewed the case and publicly announced that Sinner had no fault hence he wasn't imposed any suspension. But following the rules, he lost the points and the prize money gained during Indian Wells (the week in which he failed the drug tests). Also about the so-called double standards and to address what Shapovalov had to say, go check out the case of Marco Bortolotti, a doubles specialist who tested positive early this year of clostebol but wasn't suspend and received Jannik's same treatment. By the way he is far away from the top 100. And finally, for anyone who is trying to compare this case to Halep's one or to others, the main difference is that Sinner was able to detect right away (and I stress: RIGHT AWAY) the cause so it was obviously easier to explain it to the ITIA.
Hope this clarifies things, if anyone is guilty in this situation that definitely is not Jannik but his dumb physiotherapist Giacomo Naldi.
For anyone interested to actually get informed:
www.ubitennis.net/2024/08/jannik-sinners-failed-doping-tests-a-case-of-misinformation-unanswered-questions-or-both/
Finally someone who has the all the facts. We'll let the idiots keep hating Sinner for no good reason, while the rest of us actually understand what happened.
In 2023 of course ALSO there is the Italian tennis player Stefano Battaglino was suspended 4 years for trace levels of Clostebol in his urine (same drug that was found in Sinners system). But of course he was just some nobody player who would not be missed and who has zero impact on the ATP revenues. He didn't have money for big lawyers and the Moroccan physio certainly wasn't going to implicate himself when no benefit was coming his way...
Darren Cahill is Jannik´s coach, not some independent expert. Of course he is supprting Jannik, or else he loses his job. And people might start looking into Cahill‘s work a bit closer.
@@laviniasaracino7158 blah blah blah, summing up: you're italian so you ate all the official BS which is a blatantly obvious cover-up.
@@sa21deThat's really not the point I was going for, obviously being Jannik's coach he supports him but that doesn't change the rest that I have written
Wow! So Sinner is the victim. Definitely different rules to different players. Even normal processes won’t done and everything was being under behind closed doors and worse he was allowed to play. These guys here ☝🏿 are hypocrites.
Simona Halep and Maria Sharapova never got this slap in the wrist.
No matter if Jannik is guilty or not, it will be quite difficult to treat him as before. Maybe a bit unfair, but it is what it is.
Why, if he is not guilty?
@@elenavarvello1512 he is guilty
PLAYERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR TEST RESULTS
NIKE
and
Double standards
Slavs and players from the East in the top 10 even. and pretty much any player without a massive American sponsorship deal, would have been banned
Look at Troicki and what happened to him. BANNED for far FAR less.
The elephant in the room is NIKE
They have a hundred million dollar contract with Sinner
They literally fired half their other players and have banked on sinner and Alcaraz. They are never EVER ging to allow the ATP to ban Sinner unless he is caught with a needle in his glute on camera.
DOUBLE STANDARDS for Nike players and westerners
This is why people are angry
As an American you cant see this sadly
@@elenavarvello1512 He is 200% guilty
@@seaneckhart9914they obviously did it on purpose
@@seaneckhart9914 5 months of investigation were useless, they should have asked directly to you !
1. There actually is president with a lower ranked player. Marco Bortolotti, same substance and same process, speed and verdict.
Where were the complaints when Bortolotti got the same treatment and verdict? Nowhere, because Bortolotti is not the Nr1 in the world. There you have your double standards.
2. The high profile cases mentioned are not really close comparisons and should not be used as false equivalents. In the case of Haleb i understand that: CAS Panel found that Ms Halep did bear some level of fault or negligence for her violations, as she did not exercise sufficient care when using the Keto MCT supplement. Also there were issues with a biological passport not being updated? Different substances, different levels, different type of ingestions, different time frames, etc. My point is that every case is different and should be judged on their own merrit. On itself there is nothing strange or suspect that procedures and outcomes are different for different cases, it would be stranger if this was not the case.
3. it is procedure to not yet publicize when the appeal is overturned and then wait for the final verdict. The whole procedure the rules and by the book also for lower ranked players.
4. Whether you are skeptical or positive about doping. For accusing and banning someone you still need proof and a fair investigation. In this case there was not enough proof and Sinner's defense was deemed highly plausible by 3 experts who could not find any evidence for wrongdoing. Jannik's sportmanship has always been exemplary even going so far as correcting mistakes of referees that went in his favor. Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt after he was cleared by the anti doping comission?
In 2023 Italian tennis player Stefano Battaglino was suspended 4 years for trace levels of Clostebol in his urine (same drug that was found in Sinners system). But of course he was just some nobody player who would not be missed and who has zero impact on the ATP revenues.
Do you understand that different cases get different outcomes? What was Stefano Battaglino his defense on why the substance was in his system? What were the values? What was the verdict of independent expert who review these cases? Do you have any idea before you insinuate things? I already showed you the case of a low ranked player who was acquitted in the same manner as Sinner....
@@alessandrovalente7645 from what I understand he was treated whit something containing Clostebol by a phisyo of the tournament since he didn't have one and then wasn't able to track him so he wasn't able to show enough evidence of his claim. if he was number one then he probably woldn't have been banned but cause he could have been able to aquire enough evidence of what he claimed.
Had he been suspended, Novak would've been number one all this time (additional 10 weeks after RG)
It is important to highlight that three experts were chosen to examine the samples: one nominated by the Sinner side and two by the ITIA, who were unaware of Sinner's involvement. All three experts ruled in Sinner's favor. While we do not have access to the data or the methods used by the experts, I can assert, as an analyst, that there are tools available to uncover non-trivial evidence that could have easily contradicted Sinner's account. However, this was not the case. Of course, one can choose to trust Kyrios' perspective over that of experts and science, but it ultimately comes down to the world in which you prefer to live.
We live in the world of the Trump disease....
So we need to trust "the science" again? Why don't they release their report and let us read it and decide for ourselves?
@@David-i8i because you're no scientist and you'd look for what you want to believe and not the truth
Hey, how's the model 3? You like it?
So he has great layers and lousy physio
There is a difference between Sinner and Halep (even though Halep was very unfortunate in the end) - Sinner was quick to identify where the contamination comes from "within 5 minutes" and was cleared, combined with the extremely low concentration, and him doing the right work to have prevented it. Sinner asked the right questions when the therapist cut himself, and could've not detected anything. Halep couldn't at the time; in fact she wouldn't be aware of it. In terms of Sinner's legal teams, it was as successful as it appeared how they solved it. We shouldn't speculates with conspiracy theories. We can't say Sinner doesn't deserve justice merely because Halep did not receive it.
Btw, top players did get reputational preferences, even Dahill said it, but they also got tested way more often. We can't ignore that.
And silent positives happened more often than one would perceive. Kuznetsova in 2005 was acquitted, but her case was not known at all until a Belgian official accidentally slipped his words. Lepchenko was silently banned for Meldonium until she proved that she'd already stopped ingesting it by the time it was illegal.
The more subjective with drug testing is actually "TUE's", which is way more inexplicable (and indeed could lead to preferential treatment), but nothing of its sort is the case here.
So if you have an answer ready because you know what you did, then everything is ok?!
Knowing exactly where the contamination came from right away makes it more suspicious lol. How did he immediately know it came from this cream? An innocent person would need time to figure out the source
IMO Sinner's team worked on their alibi. I'm not buying this for a second.
I am Italian. I'm 66 years old. I use antiseptic sprays containing clostebol anytime I suffer a wound, a sore, an abrasion. At my age using those product means that I heal my small wounds almost ten times faster than using just straight antiseptic, or other product meant to enhamce small wounds healing. This is to say how commen (and how good) it is to have these products available here as over the counter medication here in Italy.
Now say that I was in Rome back in April this year, attending with my grandson the final of that ATP Master 1000 torunament. Back then I had some abrasions on my left knee due to a fall I had just a week earlier, that I was treating with Trofodermin spry (a healing ointment containing clostebol) to speed up the healing. We are seated at the front row, and when Sacha Zverev wins the last point I manage to get my grnadson tennis ball signed by Sacha to whom I give the five congratulating for the fantastic performance.
I let you imagine the rest.
Skipping the Olympics is very telling to me. That's all I need to know. Thanks for your quick video.
He skipped the Olympics to use drugs?
Olympic testing isn't what it was. I'd be shocked if at least 20% of all athletes aren't taking banned substances.
Do you mean that Olympic athletes don’t use drugs or what?
It really doesn't tell anything
@@BOZ_11 I bet it's actually far higher than that, or they're at least using substances that will be banned in the near future, take Simone Biles with those neural dampeners.
Looking through these comments is thoroughly depressing. Did any of you watch and LISTEN to what Gill said? He's gone to the trouble to look into exactly what happened, the overuse of this cream with the forbidden contents, explains the process, and comes up with a considered opinion which I think makes complete sense. Do the due diligence, come up with a final result, THEN suspend if found guilty on all counts. Players have been punished in the past and then found to be innocent. Doesn't make any sense. Why does it take so long to look into? Why isn't everyone in a tennis team working in Italy super super careful about what creams they're using?
Thank you Gill for your tireless and objective, fair reporting. I'm sure this was as much of a shock for you as it has been for so many of us.
Great comment. Some of these comments make me wonder if people actually watched the video
Relax
People are just expressing their own individual takes.
It's because of people like this that we can't have nice things.
I am Italian and obviously a big Sinner fan, I would just like to clarify a few things: many are wondering why Sinner was not suspended, in fact he was suspended twice and in both cases Sinner (as is his right) appealed and the appeal was accepted, this is the reason why he was able to continue playing. in many, many comments I read the use of double standards because Sinner was not disqualified, here too the explanation is quite simple, if the physiotherapist had applied the cream directly on Sinner for a treatment then there would have been no doubts, Sinner should have been disqualified even if he, as the anti-doping rules establish, was unaware of it. but since the cream was used by his physiotherapist on him and NOT ON Sinner, then the court recognized Sinner's non-responsibility and for this reason they did not disqualify him. in fact we are talking about contamination and not about assumption. that said I am absolutely convinced of Sinner's good faith, even if I fear that all this will influence his career.
So, was the public notified about the incident and suspension. Only after 5 months of continously playing? Who in the right mind will admit that he used the drug on himself and admit it? He maybe a doper but not psycho. You are convinced because you are a fan of him. But most people will think he is the golden boy of ATP's chairman who happens to be Italian as well. Money talks buddy. Now everyone will hire a Italian physio with cut to use that drug!!!
@@harryyongf8424 like in almost every other case that everyone try to compare whit the Sinner one they said they took the substance thremself even if they didn't know they had.
@@harryyongf8424 who is so stupid to assume doping after a control? Ok, sinner use illegal cream or spry. So after a control he use it again and another test find him positive again.Number one of idiots 😂😂😂 innocence?
I just read the whole sentence and I recommend anyone who wants to get a clearer idea on the case to do so. The procedure that Sinner's team applied for seems just allowed by the rules and I am not surprised that they filed urgent immediate appeal when they were notified about the positive tests.
My question is, when you compare this case with others, do you actually know if the other athlets you mentioned actually filed immediate appeals and if those cases where actually so "clear" for the tribunal to accept the appeals?
Even in the sentence it is written that comparrisons with any other "similar" case should be handled carrefully. Actually, this clarification was intended to reject improper comparrisons with cases that may have been brought in favour of Sinner's position.
Lastly, with no evidence of guilt, one is innocent and speculations are not bringing anything new to our knowledge. If we start wandering if Sinner was caught with a negligible amounts of steroids just because he took them weeks before (forgetting about the fact that he is monthly tested and was always negative before and after these two positive tests) we could also be suspicious about any other athlete, even if they were never tested positive. How can we be sure thay they are not doping in between the tests and being just better than Sinner in not being caught? I forgot to mention that doping tests are also often unannounced (as for Sinner's second positive result).
Perfectly said! All great in giving shit to people without even reading.
Sinner really sinned with this one, guilty or not. Seriously though, one has to question when this all started, his run realy began at the end of last year after he puked. Maybe they wanted to step in and boost his performance for Turin? Post puke sinner actually post steroid sinner
He got tested every month between april 2023 and april 2024, and never was he positive for illegal substances. It's in the official investigation report
No mention as to the incestuous relationship between Sinner’s hired law firm and the fact the same law firm also has ITIA as clients?
Have you any evidence about it ?
Look it up. It's not a secret.@@Umbertomanens
I don’t think incestuous is the word you’re looking for here 😂
Maybe independence issues
@@josep9599no he/she is right!
It is a messy ugly relationship. Hence incest is the appropriate choice!
Yes google jamie singer onside law. Stupid bot
I like what you said at the end of the video, not a lot of people actually know how common doping is in sport. Telling athletes not to dope is essentially the same thing as going to a warzone and telling soldiers to stop using guns. People are goin to try their hardest to win and because of how easy it is for athletes to cheat doping test it should not come as a surprise that almost every top level athlete is utilizing performance enhancing drugs.
Your proof?
@@puaylimsaw5296 I mean the proof is literally the huge physical advantage that comes with taking drugs. It doesn’t only make you stronger (without making you put on a lot of muscle), faster, better endurance, and more explosive but helps a shit ton with recovery allowing the athletes to train more frequently and get better. There a few cases where athletes have gotten caught but the truth is also that the athletes are with help of microdosing and untested newly made drugs able to cheat drug tests. That is the proof
@@puaylimsaw5296 Just spend the time and do the logic, learn about the efficacy of PEDs, look at the limitations of the human body, understand that beyond a certain limit, there is very little a human can do to improve performance. PEDs blow that door wide open, so basically at the very top, where every player is very talented, you are far less likely to be able to overcome a doped opponent with skill over the course of a match, meaning, you pretty much have to dope, unfortunately.
I think they all dope but I also think that if everyone’s doing it it’s no longer cheating and it’s simply just another part of the game. The reason it’s not publicized is that they don’t want to encourage impressionable viewers to also dope and potentially destroy their health
@@BillyBob-xi9ih couldn’t agree more, it is simply just a part of the world of professional sports. But the harm of not publishing anything about the reality of it can be that it sets unrealistic expectations for young athletes growing up thinking that being a professional athlete is a fair and healthy endeavor.
Just to clarify:
Direct Administration: If an athlete knowingly takes a prohibited substance, either by self-administration or having it administered by another person (such as a coach or doctor), this is a clear violation of anti-doping rules. In this case, the athlete is fully responsible, and the presence of the banned substance in their system typically results in a doping violation, regardless of intent.
Indirect Contamination: If an athlete is unintentionally contaminated with a very low quantity of a banned substance due to actions of a third party, such as a teammate who unknowingly ingests the substance and then passes it on (through shared equipment, food, or other means), the situation is more complex. This could potentially be viewed as an accidental contamination, especially if the quantity found is extremely low and consistent with such a scenario. In these cases, the athlete might still face a doping violation, but there could be mitigating factors considered in their defense, such as lack of intent, the quantity of the substance, and the circumstances of the contamination.
Sinner was forgiven for doping, and Nole was suspended for choosing not to get vaccinated.
Where is the justice here??
24 GS, 438+ weeks No1, 8 yrs No 1, 40 Masters 1000 titles, 2 carrers gold Masters slams, 7 ATP finals, olympics gold,....GOAT! that is what i call a justice my friend, a justice of GOD
Nobody in ATP suspended Djokovic, and the countries forbidding his entrance for no vax are so different. Stop making nonsense arguments.
@@danimonti77 they disqualified them from US open because a ball hit line referee agains Janick DOPINNER who re free to consuming juice...
I'll be real about this. It seems to me that Jannik was protected here. I'm not claiming that his excuse is necessarily bogus but it's clear that they treated him differently. I think he should have been suspended based on what I've heard. I find it VERY hard to believe that a professional physio would be using this substance on some kind of open cut while administering massages to the bare skin of his athlete and there would be no thought whatsoever as to the possibility of contamination. They protected one of their golden geese here IMO.
Who are you to claim he should have been suspended (which by the way he was initially, if you really knew what you are talking about)? Are you the director of the doping agency? Or more likely just another hater.
@@FabioSangiorgi-vu5eg I'll tell you who YOU are. You are a Jannik Sinner fan and that's what informs your emotion-based response. I am a tennis fan just commenting on the obvious. This policy is not being enforced in the same way for all players and there is WAY too much subjectivity in how it is enforced.
Guy who runs ATP is Italian. Just saying ...
All aside, this showed that there are no leakages. It is by design that players are outed as dopers and have to defend themselves publicly, which makes them look even worse. Sinner had luxury to just play and win points and money without being treated that way.
Comparisons with other cases are impossible since' different were the substances and quantities '...if in other cases the players have not been well assisted legally is certainly not Sinner’s fault.
I like how Gill puts it - there's really no evidence to conclusively clear Sinner... just opinions of the tribunals and experts when they pore over the "evidence". This whole case is about double standards. Treat every player fairly. If the appeals process is slow, then make it fast for everyone... not just for a top player.
If someone got two dope tests at the same tourney, there should have been immediate suspension and investigation. I agree that the suspensions should be processed rapidly esp if they are minor violations, but keeping it secret from the public reeks of cover-up. Plus the double standards are plainly visible!
Different rules for different players, as someone mentioned
cry harder.
Yes
Shapovalov said it..,.some players are treated differently,,