Better Champion: Hulk Hogan (1994-1995) vs. Diesel (1994-1995) | Wrestling With Wregret
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Through the mid-90s, Hulk Hogan and Diesel were the dominant champions of their respective companies. But which one was the STRONGER champion as the WWF and WCW were on the precipice of the Monday Night War? Brian takes a closer look on another edition of BETTER CHAMPION!
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Brock Lesnar's First WWE Title vs Kurt Angle's First WWE Title.
Two Amateur Wrestling phenomenons and two of the most freakishly talented wrestling rookies ever; both skyrocketed to the top in less than 1 year.
But who was better?
Brock was more impressive.
@@finbarobruadair2761 I'd say so. But Kurt's was pretty awesome. He did have the first and only 6 Man Hell In A Cell Match.
Honestly my biggest knock against Brock's first reign is how he lost it. Kurt's wasn't the most dignified end, but losing to The Rock is far better than losing to Big Show. Especially since it was the end of his undefeated streak too.
HELL YEAH!!!
Angle's cause he had more good matches, while Lesnar's reign was still good, it came out of nowhere.
Brian we already know who the better man is. Hogan only had to lay one finger on Nash to destroy him.
Hogan versus Nash is the greatest match of all time.
lol i see what you did there.
Just calling a spade a spade
Lol
Can I share a possibility unpopular opinion? The finger poke of doom... I don't think that the idea itself is necessarily a bad idea. Now to be clear I'm not trying to defend that infamous moment between Nash and Hogan. I'm just saying that I think there's a way to do it and for it to be good. I mean obviously you can't do it on ppv. Right? You can't ask people to spend their hard earned money on a ppv and then give them that. So if you were going to do it, it would have to be on TV. But the idea of having your top babyface champion turn heel by having them do that, I think that could be interesting.
I would like to point out how badass it is that both Zane and King Woods had their new themes written by the same artist. Hail the bard Megaran!
Brian Zane for Superstar Savepoint on UpUpDownDown
Better Champion: Eddie Guerrero as WWE Champion or Chris Benoit as World Heavyweight Champion next please.
Eddie's title run was shorter (From February 2004 (No way out 2004) till Great American bash 2004 in July 2004)
Benoit wins in title length.
@@MrLatrunks14 plus Benoit had Triple H, HBK, Kane and Orton. Eddie only had Angle and JBL. Benoit kinda wins by default (sadly)
@@MrLatrunks14 In terms of champion reign execution Eddie wins that point because Eddie's win felt rewarding while Benoit's win despite have a memorable moment, his reign felt a like distraction during Triple H's Reign Of Terror era of Raw.
@@addi543 Get this, JBL wasn't plan to be WWE Champion, the original script was to have Eddie be champion until Armageddon that year but Guerrero decline the idea due to him being over-stressed.
I agree, but it’s really hard to figure ya know? Considering so many superstars were known but also in their fleeting years.
I saw Diesel’s first title defense live. It was at a house show in Cleveland against Bam Bam Bigelow, and most of the crowd didn’t know he was the champ yet.
I thought it was King Kong Bundy? I was at that event too.
Expecting Bob Backlund or Bret Hart.... I remember watching the survivor series when Backlund won the title then the next time I saw TV he was the champion and they only had terrible footage of him winning it.
@@samuelwoods164 I think there's better footage of the Shiek beating Backlund for the title than of Diesel beating Backlund for the title..
BBB was awesome!
It was King Kong Bundy. I remember being pretty psyched for that match and it only lasted 30 seconds lol. But for a 9 year old it was better than seeing Backlund retain against Bulldog by Count out or some crap like that
Better champion: Triple H WWE World Heavyweight Champion vs Jeff Jarrett TNA Champion
That would be an interesting comparison.
Its not easy thing to pull of, cause its not just comparing title reigns, its more about comparing time periods. Basically both of them had their own version reign of terror in their respective promotions. Both of them won a multiple world championships during 2002-2006 years.
Also nitpick: Jarret never was TNA World Champion (thank God), he was NWA World Champion under TNA banner.
“Then there was a ref bump.”
Love it
This one will be fun
Nash did admit his run as the champion was a hot mess and he felt didnt draw but if we compare it to hogans run im giving it to Nash he took on some really hot an great talent hogan just ran down a list of friends and big men just a repeat of what we seen in wwe
Nonsense, he explained to the X Division a little more than a decade later how it was the best championship reign in WWF/E history!
2:01 Hogan and Diesel, WCW vs WWF
2:56 Hogan’s Ticker Tape Parade ✅
3:50 MSG Victory ❌
5:07 Beating Nature Boy, Vader, Dungeon of Doom ❌
5:40 Sid, King Mabel, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart ✅
7:19 Masked Man ❌
8:03 King Mabel ✅
8:52 RATINGS
WCW PPV ⬆️ Rating ⬇️
WWF PPV ⬇️ Live attendance ⬆️
11:10 Losing
WCW YETTAY ❌
‘12:23 WWF Bret Hart ✅
Both helped build the men to better futures ✅✅
Instead of WCW YETTAY i would’ve put “What in the hell is going on?!”
In 95 being 45 was considered old, now in 21 45 is theage where guys are just now getting title runs in WWE
People have knowledge and look after themselves better than they did back then
@@Midge-xn9tp Yeah look at all the pro sports where 45 year old guys are setting the world on fire.
@@83reggieT yeah tom brady hasn't won a super bowl since he turned 44. What a stupid response. Athletes are very obviously are able maintain their physical conditioning much longer than they did in the early 90's.
Yeah, look when Bob Backlund returned in 1992, the ring announcers endlessly shouted "he's 43 years OLD" in every single match as if he was freaking 83.. Nowadays AJ Styles is about that age and no one ever refers to that
Cool I can still bang hot chicks in their 20’s lol
‘Whoever wins, we lose.’
diesel's run as champ is considered a failure. yet everyone forgets kevin nash began wrestling in 1990. FOUR year later he was wwf champion. he was very inexperienced and was carried by ring generals hbk and bret.
At least Vince is consistent, strapping the rocket ship to the biggest man he could find regardless of talent or experience even back then.
should have listened more to the latter than the former
It was mainly because of how they booked it as he was just inserted the title after barely turning face... If he even had turned face.
Also Bret from late 1992 was most over with the fans at that time and everyone watching back then knew this except Vince McMahon.
It was another case of Vince rushing a guy to the top too quickly just because they’re big.
@@popmonika it really seems like Vince never wanted Bret to be the top guy. He made Bret champion because of the steroid trial, but always tried to replace Bret. First he let Hogan steal the spotlight. Then he tried to make Luger Hogan 2.0. Then he turn Diesel into a bland babyface and made him the top guy. All those attempts to replace Bret failed miserably.
Diesel's best moment as champ was the reaction to him being pinned to lose the belt.
Yup I really think that was the start of the seeds being planted for the attitude era because his reaction just angrily saying “motherfucker!” was both edgy and realistic
His anti hero run as he was leaving the WWF was easily the best run he had. So much better than what he was doing as champion.
@@endersdragon34 I have to disagree
Diesel won this contest? What a pittance.
Can of coke for you!
OSDUB!
Happy days are here again!
A winner is you
@@seanmahoney7117 Thanks! 😎
It's so sad Scott could've put on a better match than both combined on his worst day.
JBL vs. HHH's reign of terror? Orton vs. Luger? Hogan's WCW run (again) vs. HHH's reign of terror vs. JJ's reign of terror?
Honestly, I think a run through the Reign(s) of Terror, PPV by PPV, could be fun (I know we have the retrospective but it’d be cool to go into detail)
Or anyone vs. Jeff Jarrett.
@@scott9628 exactly Jarrett vs Triple H Reign of terrors
Even at Hogan's lowest ebb, he is/was and always be the most famous professional wrestler of all time, so regardless of how much "better" you think Scott Hall was he could never draw a fraction of what Hogan could, so Scott's "best" day doesn't even come close.
As far as reigns of terror go, I am surprised no one talks about Yokozuna's and Big Van Vader's 1993 reigns... Both extremely dominant monsters that destroyed and squashed everyone that was put in front of them
Better Tag Team Champions:
New Day vs Demolition
It ain't even close! Who did the new day even compete against? Lod, the steiners, the hart foundation, demolition wins in a landslide!!
@@joshmuecke85 I agree about Demolition but they never wrestled the Steiners.
Demolition were the best team when tag team wrestling was at its best in WWF. They faced The Hart Foundation, British Bulldogs, The Rockers, Twin Towers, Powers of Pain, Strike Force, Brain Busters, LOD, Colossal Connection etc.
Better Champion: The Short-Lived Hogan Destroyers
Ultimate Warrior as WWF champion (1990)
Vs.
Goldberg as WCW Champion (1998)
Thats perfect they both beat hogan and they couldn't work or cut a promo lol
Still Warrior vs Hogan was match of the year in 1990.@@kyledamron
You should do a three way battle between a WWE, WCW, and ECW champion. Might be a good way to vary things up.
This could be really good.
I'd compare Goldberg's WCW Title Reign, Austin's First WWF Title and Taz' ECW Title Reigns.
All are arguable the promotions 3 biggest stars at the time and their reigns are very important to their respective brands.
To say Hogan isn't the reason for the giant uptick in WCW attendance is nuts, even if he wasn't on the show. He was in WCW which drew people to watch it in the first place. But I was WWF fan at the time, but WCW slowly won me over as a kid as I'd watch Johnny B friggin' Bad.
For me it was both DDP and Johnny B Bad I was a mark for the diamond cutter and the shooting star press
Suggestion: Triple H’s reign of terror in WWE vs. Jeff Jarrett’s in TNA.
I'm just curious, have you already watched the Marky D video on that one?
Jarrett made triple h's reign of terror look small
@@chrispodesta8105Never heard of it.
@@jedshaffer5956 it's another pretty good channel 😎
Big Hoss Mcgraw is my Favorite Character on Brian's Channel.
Same or Vacant
I am not ashamed to say that I LOVED the Dungeon of Doom feud with The Hulkster. Then again, I am a big fan of cheese in movies and shows alike, rasslin or otherwise. Moments like Hogan walking through a "spooky cave", reaching his hand into a small waterfall coming out of the wall, quickly pulling it back, and yelling "Aah! It's not hot!" are etched into my memory and have brought me endless joy.
If I said it once, I said it a million times: 1995, or as we wrestling fans call it, The Dark Times!
May be nostalgia, but I enjoyed wrestling in 1995.
@@g-man8031 I only cared for 95 ECW. But, if you enjoy 95 wrestling in general, I won't judge. To each their own.
You should have watched ECW, Japan and Lucha. Only Dark times for the big 2.
@@ninjacape especially FMW in 95
Compared to now?
Better Champion: CM Punk's First World Heavyweight Championship vs Daniel Bryan's First World Heavyweight Championship.
Both indy darlings, both MITB cash ins and both ended in disappointment and controversy.
But who was better?
Love this series. Awesome stuff, BZ.
Honestly, I don't think Punk has much of a chance against Bryan. Bryan's first WHC reign was treated as somewhat important, while Punk's was an afterthought
Have to say it... I was nodding along with your logic on each point... You nailed this analysis.
I’m glad the Hardy style won. Now, when will we see some face paint added on?
I could mock Kevin Nash all day long. But I do think that his 1995 reign was not as bad as some of the other ones we've seen over the years.
idk man summerslam vs mabel...
@@stevenmacaulay8807 It's a bad match but far from the worst that I've seen.
It was bad because at the time it turned off loads of die hard WWF fans.
It's easy to look at hindsight but you have to remember that this was before the nwo and before Shawn Michaels became the showstopper.
@@popmonika Yep. But I mean I have seen some modern title reigns that in my opinion were even worse.
@@claytonrios1 ehhh sure there have been other bad matches but title wise has to be the worst imo.
I'm kinda bummed out we didn't get Worst Rock Moments. Oh yeah, we got this. What a pittance!
Better Champion: CM punk 2011-2013 or AJ Styles 2017-2018 would be my choice.
@TheKing I like Jinder Mahal as WWE Champion, he's not a bad champion
CM Punk cause he at least great matches, AJ's reign felt like a party favor to promote WWE 2k19 and he was a white mean mid-card world champion with mostly awful feuds.
Those early CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan in 2012 we’re good
@@kazallroberts the match on Smackdown AJ lost it to Daniel Bryan who then turned heel was great
@@claymathewselevator8121 Indeed
"A very competent match for someone who's never had one before."
Hogan or The Giant?
obligatory "Hogan could actually wrestle, just look at some of his work from the early 80s" comment.
If they'd turned Nash heel in Jan (the night after Rumble), he could've feuded all year with Bret and Shawn chasing the title.
Hogan shovel vs Kliq shovel
CM Punk’s second run with the WWE title vs Brock’s first Universal title run
I would like to see if any upper midcard title holder in WWE could hang with RVD's TV Championship reign. Any suggestions?
obviously Honky Tonk Man as IC champ, but didn't Shelton Benjamin have like a year-long IC title run around '04-'05
@@JerzeyJimmy About 240 I do believe, losing to a debuting Carlito
@@dstaple3 didn't carlito defeated cena for us title in his debut
@@ShubhamMishrabro Whoops
Dean Malenko as WCW Cruiserweight Champion. The title was basically an upper mid card title when he had it. When Malenkp had it, it was the title all the workhorses under 240 were under, like Eddie, Rey and Ultimo for example. He was the guy. That title was his baby and he'd always defend it in glorious fashion.
Diesels run would've been way better had they not made him such a baby face and took away that edge we all loved.
It really really reminds me of what they did with Roman Reigns in the shield what got him over much like Diesel was he was a brooding man of a few words badass then they turned into smiley babyfaces and the fans hated it
@@ryankeefe6222 yeah exactly. Wwe sure knows how to mess up a good thing lol
This result also reflects reality and the passing of time for both men quite well. Even now, Hogan still can't look beyond his ego and refuses to admit his to his mistakes; only advising on how to avoid rightful scrutiny for your heinous actions. Whereas Nash has chilled out and relaxed himself over the years; coming to terms with and accepting his mistakes (most of them at least). Plus, Nash has always had a good sense of humor.
Wolfpac theme so strong it shows up in a video solely covering 94-95. 🤘
Never mind 'Better Champion': what about better move-set?
Thanks for the videos they are really helping me through a tough time at the moment
Randy Savage's first run as WWF Champion vs CM Punk's record-setting run with the title. Both with yearlong+ runs; very over babyfaces shadowed by "bigger" stars in the company at the time; both turning heel at some point during their run.
I'd love to see one of these "Better Champions" videos but it's between Benoit and Gurrero with their respective wrestlmania 20 title Reigns. I feel like it may not be as cut and dray as to whose is better
spoilers the winner was a member of the nwo
Also worked in TNA
Awesome analysis, Brian. I still think Hogan had the better reign, but I can't argue any of the points made. I think this one specifically comes down to personal preference. Both reigns were pretty shit honestly, but I remember way more about Hogan's than I do Nash's (good and bad), and I actually watched way more WWF as a kid. I love this series.
Should we call you Brian Zane Cage Wolverine or Brian Zane Hardy that facial hair at the beginning you could pull off all 3 lol
It’d be a monster project, but I’d like to see the IC title matchup between Jericho and The Miz
Better Champion: Demolition's record setting tag title run or The New Day's record breaking tag title run.
*1990-1991 Champs Sting and Ultimate Warrior...*
Brian u need to bring this series back it’s amazing lol I love this so much
Awesome video Z Man 💯 I love the concept for this series would love to see you do one on Goldberg & Stone Cold from 1998 💥
Better Champion: Kofi Kingston vs Bobby Lashley
Loved the diesel no mercy theme
I never skip this theme , it’s awesome
Just another great video showing that Brian Zane makes the best wrestling content on RUclips by far. It's a shame that there are so many wrestling content creators that cover the same topics, in an isolated and uncoordinated way, and so the audience cannibalises itself and each creator gets a fraction of the audience they should. Wrestling with Wregret content always has the best production values, the most compotent, knowledgeable and authorative take on the various topics. Something as good as this video deserves way more than 90,000 views.
As for the topic itself, Kevin Nash on occasion with the right opponent and motivation could 'go.' But his matches as Diesel were more miss than hit. Even if a Hogan match was terrible technically, he had superstar charisma and personality on display to keep things interesting. Diesel was really a black hole for charisma and personality so if the in-ring action was bad, there was nothing else to hold anyone's interest. So for me, in almost every criteria Hulk's reign was better than Diesel's. The Kevin Nash formula was found in his later career, but in 1995 he was unmotivated, had minimal presence and was extremely unappealing and barely one dimensional. Hogan no matter what always had that charismatic star quality to trade off and demonstrate.
I want Worst SmackDown Tag-Team Champions: Charlie Haas & Rico circa 2004 or Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder circa 2008, please.
Hawkins and Ryder got to win their titles at Nassau Coliseum
@@claymathewselevator8121 But they were transitional champions in getting the straps off Miz and Morrison, and onto Carlito and Primo.
Besides, the odd couple of Haas and Rico holds a special place in my heart, and I still wonder if Haas gets extra-grumpy if people ask him about it.
Better Champion Shinsuke Nakamura US Reign vs IC Reign(first reign)
Better Champion: Eddie Guerrero as WWE Champion or Chris Benoit as World Heavyweight Champion next please.
@@kazallroberts dude that would be awesome
Love how much thought is put into the sponsored segment
I’d like to see a “ pick a showstopper”
HBK Intercontinental championship run(s) v.s RVD T.V title if you will. Great video Brian as usual 👍🏾
Is nobody gonna talk about how Zane is rocking the Jeff Hardy beard 😂😂😂
What game is that music from at the end of the video? I recognize it, but I can't place the game...
He should do a Better/Worst MITB Winner or Better/Worst title reign as heel or face. For example, starting with AJ Styles 1st WWE Championship reign from 2016-2017 (Heel) vs his 2nd WWE Championship reign from 2017-2018 or Seth Rollins first reign as WWE Champion in 2015 vs his first reign as Universal Champion in 2019.
1:23 Street Profits delivers Big Hoss' therapy pizza 🍕
Vince's 1999 WWE title run vs Vince's 2007 ECW title run.
Diesel all the way. I’ve just never been a WCW guy. I even liked WWF in 1995.
I had to watch this again... Good Comparison. I also watched the Sting 1990 world title reign to Ultimate warriors WWF 1990 title run too.
Hrm, maybe dueling People’s Champs? DDP with the US title versus The Rock with the Intercontinental.
Well let me tell you something Mean Zane! With all the Maniacs and new Gens of the mid 90's wrestling really sucked back then but looking back it was part of our childhoods.
Better Champion: Goldberg Vs Stone Cold in 1998
That'd be the best one!
Love your take on anything you do
That opening Hoss line got me good
Lex Luger's 500+ day reign as US Champ vs Honky Tonk Man's 400+ day reign as Intercontinental Champ
I hope this guy makes tons of $ because he’s super talented and entertaining. Great work Mr Zane! Been a big fan for years and you continue to deliver, thank you.
One key thing to note against Diesel was that while WWF house show figures went up, he wasn't exactly a key draw. I know I'm cherry picking here, but the WWF wanted Diesel to win at Madison Square Garden not just for shock value but also in the hopes of building the guy up for their regular events at the venue, as it was still a key revenue maker for the company, especially given how lean 1995 was. Here's the statistics of Diesel's MSG shows, taken from The Lapsed Fan (source: the Kevin Nash RF Video Shoot episode, with data from CageMatch):
*November 26, 1994: 7300 (Nash wins the belt from Backlund)
*January 16, 1995: (CageMatch says 7400, other reports say 5300): (Diesel vs. Jarrett for the WWF Championship)
*March 19, 1995: 15,000 (Bret Hart & British Bulldog vs. Owen Hart & Jerry Lawler main event, Diesel & Razor Ramon vs. HBK & Jeff Jarrett)
*June 10, 1995:
Great video
Comparing reigns across the Monday Night Wars is a great idea but I feel like the title was swapped around so often back then that it'd be hard to find two champions at the same time with meaningful reigns.
That power bomb on Backlund was painful to watch.
I really wished that they at least let Bob Backlund keep the belt until Royal Rumble if not Wrestlemania...
what is your beard a reference to? Cm Punk? or Jeff Hardy? either way nice! great video!
How about comparing the same guy in two different companies? Like the Giant's first title run in WCW compared to Big Show's first title run in WWF. Or Kurt Angle's first title run in WWF compared to his first in TNA.
„Hogan was coming for the Gold, sucka „ One reason I Live this channel are nonchalant gags like That 😂😂😂
What in the Heff Jardy name is that beard you're sporting
also Mr. Zane, do you by any chance really *know* what truly happens when one "turns their back" on said "Wolfpac"?
The wrestling with wregret theme song is 🔥
Ken Shamrock vs Ronda Rousey. MMA champions who later transitioned to pro-wrestling and made a significant impact in their short time with the WWE.
I love that OSW Review (Surely Jay specifically) is the go-to RUclips wrestling rating source.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family, Mr. Zane. Stay safe.
This video was 2 Sweet Zane. Something that I think would be interesting to look at is quality of challengers. You touch on this a little in the best/worst defences, but looking at the entire scope might reveal something more about the quality of the champion. I'm not sure who would take the point in this case. Hulk had a couple of marquee challengers in Flair and Vader, but the feud with Sullivan and the Three Faces/Dungeon was tough to watch. Diesel on the other hand had Shawn, who took the piss out of him, a lot of awkward challengers like Sid, Mabel, Bam Bam, and even Double J. Bret might have been his only really great matchup but do you hold that against Kevin or Vince? Or maybe even Shawn since he could have gotten an equally great match out of him if he weren't such a spoiled brat.
Would love to see a midcard title next. Maybe Razor (IC) vs Luger (US Title)? Both seemed to always be on the precipice of something bigger but were held back for different reasons: Razor didn't have timing on his side (Shawn, Bret were both there) and Luger was a lack of charisma. Now sure, Luger had a couple of main event runs, but they aren't exactly memorable for the right reasons.
Wow Brian where did you find/think of using that MIDI sounding version of his 03 theme 😂
I dont think Desiel was a bad champ I think he help start the attitude era or at least kickstart it
Love the intro. Is this the full song?
Better Champion : Yokozuna WWF vs Vader WCW🤔👍
Very Great comparison Zane. These two definitely represented "champions with too much booking power". There is also their similar approaches to feuds. On one side , you have Hogan still playing the heroic and cool "monster slayer". On the other hand is Diesel ; the hero of the future with the cool attitude and also fought the big baddies like King Kong Bundy , Bam Bam Bigelow , Sycho Sid , and King Mabel. In the end , these two reigns represented the weird year of wrestling that was 1995.
Hulk Hogan in WCW was my childhood so I might be a little biased but still lol I'd love too see you do one of these with Trish And Lita.
I think this sums up the ad: Man with funny beard talks to self, entertains dozens.
And dozens
At some point you’ve gotta do a vid on Bob Backland’s 90s Run. I’d love to see you dive into Insane Mr. Backland.
At least mention Make Darren Young Great Again 😂
I know it involves Hogan again but Hollywood Hogan vs Steve Austin during the Monday Night War.
What was that music playing in the section of how they lost the title? Sounded like something from resident evil. It sounds so familiar
I love the "Shark" beard. R.I.P. John Tenta. And the Dungeon Of Doom shirt.
Better Champion: CM Punk 2nd WWE Champion reign (2011-2013) or AJ Styles 2nd WWE Champion reign (2017-2018). The Best in the World vs The Phenomenal One
Man I love these
If you want headache go listen to Diesel 1st theme🤣🤣
Thank goodness they changed to that cool bluesy sound instead of that loooooooooooooooooong annoying engine noise! 😒 🚚
That’s right up there with the Right To Censor theme and “BRRRRRRIE MOOOOOODE!!!”
@@stfi7566 ...or Bastion Booger's theme!
YES! Finally this series has returned
I'm convinced Brian's beard has magical growing powers.
Reign of Terror as World Champion: Triple H (WWE) vs Jeff Jarrett (NWA/TNA)