FYI...For those of you watching this that have never gotten HEAVILY involved in the use or sale of narcotics, its impossible for you to comprehend what 73lbs (sry, from America, or 33 kilo's) of heroin represents. That's between $16-17 million on the street/retail depending on where you buy it. That means each COLLEGE STUDENT had over $4 million of smack strapped to 'em. I had to do the calculations/conversions twice b/c after the 1st time I thought I heard it wrong, ha.
@@micktompson101 it’s currently between £60-£100 per gram in the uk, 1kg would be between £60,000 and £100,000 if sold in grams but obviously if you had kilos of it you would be a supplier rather than a dealer so that would bring it down to £40k-£60k profit per kg
Yeah, that was a metric fuckton of smack that they were trying to haul. So for that reason, I have little sympathy for the prepetrators--but at the same time, I don't support the death penalty because (as we've seen) it's applied far too capriciously and solely for political capital. :/
#SimonIsaCoward - Won't say anything to the Maternity Hospital bombing. BUT you can be Damn SURE he'll spend the next three years making money off it's 'War Horror Content'!!!
Every foreigners before entering Indonesia was given a visa form inside a plane before touching down on Indonesian soil. The form usually coloured light green or turquoise and there's a warning sign in bold red above that written like 'carrying illegal drugs to Indonesia is punishable by death'. And if you taken that warning lightly and think it's a joke and keep carrying the stuff that could get you killed in front of Indonesian firing squad... then try it.
@@altariacorona exactly how the rich folks in the USA are. They think they should suffer no consquenses, and usually they dont suffer the same consequences as the lower class
First, I'd like to point out I am firmly against execution, but there was something missed out in this video which is important. I travelled to Bali in early 2004 on the way to Australia. Even before I left I was given warnings about taking Codeine, which they considered to be a Class 1 drug. I also heard other stories in Australia. When I arrived at Densapar Airport it was highly noticeable that were signs in English stating that possession of drugs in Indonesia was a capital offence with the death penalty. There were also bins placed in corners away from the CCTV cameras to dump your drugs in before going through customs. The authorities were clearly going out of their way to avoid problems with the Australian youth that partied there. There was no way the Bali 9 were not aware of the dangers. This I believe should have been clearly pointed out in the video.
Very true went same time even tho i had no drugs i felt scared with all the signs.. and then a worker grabbing a bag to push through everyone but they just wanted a tip still eye opening
That is true, but I am not sure anyone else says the Bali 9 didn’t know the risks. Although a few of the Bali 9 may have tried to say that, it would be pretty much BS. I was going to say there was also the example of Van Tuong Nguyen, but I just realised he was executed in Singapore in December 2005, 7 months after the Bali 9 were caught. Most of then would have been too young to remember Barlow and Chambers. The problem with harsh penalties is do not work. The person attempting to smuggle the drugs thinks they won’t get caught.
As someone who can remember when the Bali 9 got caught, I can confirm that the general media had been talking about this situation for years. Short form - drug smugglers who got caught faced terrible consequences, and they were caught often. There was, very very simply, no excuse for being unaware of this.
Indonesia gets a lot of the bad press for this, largely because of cases like the Bali 9. But it's far from being the only nation in that region that enforces such a strict response to drug offenses.offenses. Both Singapore and Malaysia similarly upholds capital punishment for this, and are similarly ruthless in carrying them out. Even amongst each other, as recently Singapore executed a Malaysian man who was found guilty of trafficking. Your appeals will be ignored, your home governments will almost never be able to intervene, you will die alone. So really think twice before going to these countries and pushing your luck.
You also forgot Philippines, China and Thailand only recently changed its politics. Although the latter rarely had executions but ending up in it's prison was equally bad.
As citizen of Indonesia, this case is a bit normal here. To simplefy, if you a courir, grower or seller you get prison time, if you ringleader (or bandar as we called them) you get the death sentence.
You didn't get into the scandal that it was the Australian Federal Police that tipped the Indonesia authorities off about the plot, thereby ensuring that Australian citizens would get caught abroad (thereafter executed...). If they had have just stayed quiet and picked them up at the Australian border the fate of the 9 would have been markedly different having been prosecuted through the Australian system...
Yeah our feds fucked up there & admitted they should've kept quiet until they got to Sydney Airport to arrest them & not tip off their counterparts & then no executions would've taken place. Even prisoner swaps were laughed at by their president as "U Aussie's don't kill ur prisoners". I'm one of those tho that say that it's at ur own peril drug smuggling anywhere in the world let alone into Asian nations. I'm not saying they should've been killed, a long stint in prison yes but u gotta respect other countries laws at the same time & us Aussie's know better than that. I just remember one of the boys asking to be executed & was executed in his Penrith Panthers jersey as he was a huge Riff supporter in the NRL & the Riff club supported him the whole way up till the end
@@Tully_23_32 Yeah, I absolutely get that. Smuggling drugs anywhere in the world is a risky game that you have to be aware could end up with horrendous sentences. Just in this instance the death sentences were completely avoidable if the AFP had have stayed quiet & dealt with it as a domestic matter.
Scandal? I just saw some drug smugglers get the bullet, a cause for celebration really. Play stupid games in a death penalty country, win stupid prizes.
@@Tully_23_32 Imagine your last bit of clothing in life being a bloody Panthers sport jersey... wow what a pointless last act. What, were the prison guards or the firing squad going to care about that?
Places like Indonesia don’t particularly make a secret of what they will do to convicted drug traffickers. In Indonesia there’s signs up in the airports which quite plainly say ‘death penalty for drug smugglers’. It’s in pretty much all the tourist information too.
Yeah sure, they should be punished. Im Indonesian and I agree, when you visit a country, then respect that countrys rules. But death penalty is too much and not okay. Indonesia just loves to create sensation. Its good for headlines and to show power. Trust me, theres A LOT of power abuse in Indonesia, lots of wrongly accused cases, but the prosecutors get away with it. The countrys fucked, just dont bother visiting it. Youre just giving money to these evil leaders.
Not mentioned in this story is that this was not their first drug run, they had twice before carried several kilos and made the trip to Australia. These young people are not the wide eyed innocents that most want to portray and have us believe.
As an aussie I remember this well. No sympathy at all from myself or anyone else I know, largely due to the fact that it is common knowledge here that smuggling through Indonesia could result in a death sentence.
Agree - as an Australian I would not shed tears for those 9 who knew precisely the severity of the risk they were taking, just to make money to import misery into our country and ruin other Australian's lives. I don't agree that the 2 ringleaders should have been executed but ultimately that was the result of the choice they made, again purely motivated by greed.
Yes as an Australian we know the risks and it's stupid to do it , I still feel very sympathetic towards these people. But I feel so angry at the incredible stupidity and naivety of the parents who informed on their own kids ...and as a result got them killed . Who is ignorant enough to think the Australian police are going to do the right thing and arrest drug smugglers on " this side. ". They don't care about drug smugglers I am just overwhelmed by the idiocy of the parents
As an American/Australian who has travelled extensively in South East Asia I can tell you it is made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR what the penalties for smuggling drugs are, especially class A narcotics. It is made terrifyingly obvious what the penalties are, and these people were bringing the drugs out, so at the very least they were very informed on their arrival. They make it obvious enough that even travelling and knowing I was totally clean I was still a bit ‘hoooooly shiiiit’ what if my bag touched something it shouldn’t?
@@sandy-quimsrus the scariest airport security was in Thailand, their airport security were just casually toting M16s - they asked my friend for her passport, as in to hand it to them, my friend said ‘what should I do?’ I said ‘He’s holding an automatic rifle, I’d comply’ and she so she did. Looked at it, stamped it and said ‘good, good, have you fun stay’. Scary.
"As an American/Australian who has travelled extensively in South East Asia" yes you are right. Unfortunately for most of the 9 it was their first trip overseas. The Australian Federal Police (AFP) were given a tip off by one the the 9's Mother. She wanted to stop her child doing something stupid and dangerous an asked them to arrest their child before they boarded the plan for Bali. What the AFP did with this information was to give it the Indonesian police force. The Death penalty is outlawed under Australian law and the AFP knew that their actions would lead to the Death penalty being applied. The Indonesians police trailed all 9 from the moment they landed in Bali. When 2 of the 9 left the hotel to pick up the heroin, the Indonesian police lost track of them. When the 2 returned to their accommodations the realised they had been give less drugs than they had purchased. So again they left the hotel to pick up more heroin.... The Indonesian police then lost them again... No idea who could have sold them the drugs were huh
@@butchyost3694 it doesn’t matter that it was their first trip overseas, obviously you’ve never been to South East Asia. It is made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR when you ARRIVE what the penalties are, these people were leaving, they had had suitable warning as soon as they landed, before they even passed Indonesian customs enabling them to enter into the country. There is no excuse.
Very simple, when visiting another country, obey their laws. I live part time in Thailand and at the airport drug smuggling and the various penalties are spelled out, up to execution.
Maybe they should put up graphic videos or some other idiot-proof media to make sure that people understand this perfectly. Why would someone take such a stupid, huge risk in such a place is beyond me.
I’m born from Indonesia but grew up in Australia. I’ve found their laws are pretty strange like how child marriages and statutory rape get treated so differently from drug smuggling and sodomy. Tons of cases of the former get forgotten or let go and get you can get very physical punishments for the latter 😅
Blame the system instead, using pure heroin with medical oversight you can get 100 years old but governments want people to do it unattended in dirty streets. No one forced your brothers to do drugs but if one decides to they should have a safe opportunity to do so
What about people who die from alcohol Poisoning ? That’s not the governments fault right, coz it’s legal ? Admit your brothers were junky’s, no one else’s fault
going to sound like a heartless bastard, but if you are planning on international drug smuggling, you may want to look into the possible punishments in case you get caught in said foreign county and weigh the risks vs rewards prior to starting such a ventrure
If you think what you said makes you sound like a heartless bastard, I must sound like a heartless bitch because I couldn't agree more. With that said, I am definitely open to hearing a reason why my thinking may be backwards.(?) To be honest, I can't come up with anything else. I would like to hear the arguments from the victim advocates side. Just knowing this could be my fate from breaking the law intentionally would stop me dead in my tracks.
@@Julia-uh4li Regardless of the victims' knowledge of their crimes' possible consequences, the issue is the law itself being unjust. Taking it to an extreme, what if the death penalty was issued for jaywalking--should a country abide its citizens being punished that severely for the sake of a foreign politician's career?
Are we arguing that the executed were involved in a drug smuggling enterprise or are we arguing whether the law was applied correctly? No one but the Indonesian government has the right to say what is right and lawful. The people of Indonesia are represented by those in government. They got what they had coming. Who speaks for those children whose parents are not able to properly care for them due to drug dependency? Who speaks for those that have overdosed and died? And who speaks for the loved ones of those that died? Who speaks for those that have had their futures and potential ripped away by addiction? Why do we care for those who profit of the demise of others?
For some historical content, I'd like to point to the Opium Wars in neighbouring China. "Kill all narcotic dealers" is entirely understandable policy for people who've been enslaved at cannonpoint. Relatedly, this also perfectly explains China's psychopathic foreign policy and racial extermination campaigns. They're a rabid dog because they're a _beaten_ dog.
There was a similar case that happened way before the Bali Nine, that being the arrest and hanging of Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers in Malaysia, 1986. This well-known case prompted the then Prime Minister Bob Hawke to literally label Mahatir's Malaysia as barbaric. The Bali Nine was not a case of innocence, rather that of ignorance. They should have known the risks, the risks that Barlow and Chambers before them as an example ultimately paid for with their lives.
Yeah that was a huge case,fair while ago now though, but you are right ,they must have known the risks though, probably didn't take it seriously,or didn't think they would get caught.
Even closer to this event was the conviction of Van Nguyen in Singapore for drug trafficking. His conviction and death sentence was widely publicised in Australia at the time. He was on death row when the Bali Nine were caught and he was eventually hanged a few months later. In view of this, I can only think that the actions of the Bali Nine were incredibly stupid.
Had they been caught in Singapore or Malaysia it is quite likely that all nine of them would have hanged. They show no mercy and neither apologise nor account to anyone. The amount that they were carrying (8.3kg) was way in excess of what Barlow and Chambers (179g - Mayasia 1986), Michael McAuliffe (142g - Mal. 1993), or Van Truong Nguyen (396g Singapore 2005). Up until the capture of the Bali Nine, I had considered the fact that Australian authorities were intercepting huge shipments of drugs, while those being caught in Asian countries were carrying much smaller amounts was a sure sign of police corruption and that minor players were being sacrificed by the drug lords to maintain their relationship with corrupt police.
I was living in Australia at the time of the Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers executions. As I recall, they got very little sympathy from average Australians - most people seemed to think that they got exactly what they deserved, as with this later lot.
I'm an Australian and have very little sympathy for the 9. These guys were trying to bring in kilograms of an awful drug to sell to vulnerable people in Australia, and I'm glad only nine families were destroyed instead of hundreds more if their plot had succeeded. The wide publicity of this and the Corby case has probably had some impact on the willingness of people to do these smuggling runs from Indonesia to Australia, in view of the now widely known harsh punishments for getting caught.
I'm Indonesian and i feel sorry about your people lost. But as you know south east asia especially Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia have high strict rules on drug. either you will get life prison or death sentence if you get caught bringing drug here. more better if you not do that. you come to other country that mean you agree about their country rules. As always we are welcoming every tourist here
you're not god to judge people like that and "the vulnerable people" you're defending aren't victims, they have the freedom to decide things for themselves, and if they use/buy drugs it's mostly their fault, and it's because of them that the international drug trafficking exists... it's with their money that they buy guns and expand their "business"... so they are also guilty and part of this criminal activity... the people you're trying to save is almost as bad. they will get addicted, destroy their lives and their families and it's not 9 drug smugglers caught that will stop them from doing that...
@@kitsune090 we love our law for stricting the drug. The new vote result is 85% our resident (est.180millions) vote for keep banning drug for forever. If you dont want get trouble for drug law, dont bring it. Sign and warning everywhere when you enter here. Be smart when you entered another country. Good tourist is always read the country rules they visit, what things able to do and what not. Some different country have different culture. Be smart. World is not same place as you think.
@@kitsune090 why you want be a drug dealer to another country. That is criminal already. Drug can destroy people's life. If you want to consume drug, have it by yourself. Dont share to others people. Thats a bad crime
The worst bit is that Scott Rush's parents contacted the Australian police because they wanted to *prevent* the crime being committed in the first place
The parents would have been just beside themselves, because they would have all about the Barlow and Chambers case...and seen their own kids heading that way. The barlow/chambers case needs to be brought up I feel from time to time, to show they WILL execute white Australians.
@@mitchhodge7868 No - these parents were the generatoin who saw Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers be executed in the 1980's (and they just took cannabis)....and passed the information the AUSTRALIAN federal police, in attempts to stop them before being caught by the Bali police. People have forgotten those two men, and their case. The Aust Feds let them onto the plane be caught by the Bali cops. They knew what was going to happen. The two Australian men Barlow and Chambers were hung - no one believed they would actually execute a foreign national - they were wrong. These parents were terrified of what they had senn be done to other Ausytralians.
Parents tell the AFP and expect AFP to "Prevent" them ? base on what ? Base on Parents dont want their kids go on a plane to Bali and have fun? At that Point AFP ahs no proof of Scott is carry drug. They only have the word of the parents. Why don't the parents just tell Scott "I already told the AFP, so you might as well give up". Or even better, if the parents KNEW he will be going to Bali to transprot drug back, why don't parents, do the right thing by go over and make a scene which will prevent their son be allow to carry the drug (remember, they supposed to be discreet). Or give some tough love, break his leg. that will DEFINITELY prevented him leaving. Don't blame the AFP not preventing, because they were powerless. DOn't blame AFP that inform their Indonasia counterpart, as they have the obligation under the agreement to share information.
the most controversial part of the story, is the behaviour of the Australian Federal Police. Scott Rush's father notified the AFP, through a lawyer, as he had overheard his teenage son discussing the plan. His lawyer believed the AFP would prevent the crime. The AFP decided that teens charged with a conspiracy charge would not receive a harsh enough penalty in Australia so handed them over to the Indonesian police knowing they would face the death penalty
@@BobbaFett312 not worth discussing as give up information to put Australian Citizens at penalty of a death sentence is no longer permissible because of the controversy.
Some incorrect facts here... they had some warning as they had to be moved to death island. And Indonesians give a 72 hour notice to the prisoners and their families. They would have known. And the families did get to say goodbye. There is an interview with them after their last meetings with the bali two
Bali's one of Australia's favourite holiday destinations, it's widely known what the consequences are if you're caught. None of my friends and myself, who were around the same age group as them at the time, had sympathy for these people - not in the sense they should get lesser sentences because of their nationality. We did however expect the Australian Embassy to assist them in some degree and at least try, but at the end of the day, it's their country, their laws. A little dark to say but, their lesson on the consequences is a lesson to others, so some good came from this.
No good can come from executing people for drug crimes. Knowing the consequences doesn’t make it right. Just like how limb amputation isn’t morally acceptable for petty crimes anymore.
@@BlacksmithBets you crazy? more then hundred thousand ppl die each year from heroine alone, not to mention the suffering for these junks children or family. no dealers = no distribution = no addicts. i feel no sympathy for idiots who travel to a country knowing that this country has the death penaly for smuggling narcotics. good ridence
A few things. They could speak Bahasa. They knew within 72 hours they would be executed. They weren't blindfolded or roughly removed from their cells. It's not like how the Soviets executed people, but literally pulling them out of their beds or cells, marching them to a room, getting them to kneel whilst their execution order was read out to them, only for seconds to go by and then get shot in the back of the neck or head. But it is made abundantly clear in Australia that you do not fuck around with drugs in South East Asia. They have signs above the entry gates in Singapore and Indonesia clearly saying if you're carrying Class A drugs you can face the death penalty if caught. Chan and Sukumaran we not good guys and got what they deserved.
Exactly! There's a documentary filmed whilst they were alive awaiting their death sentences; they showed Chan and Sukumaran having completely integrated into the Kerobokan prison and being well-known amongst fellow inmates and guards and well respected too. Chan had a wife/gf who was Indonesian and he spoke Bahasa with her on camera. Sukumaran had started an art studio where he'd make paintings and he too can be seen speaking Bahasa. The research in this video wasn't well done. Exactly as you said they were made aware 2-3 days before they were to be executed so that they could say their goodbyes. Sukumaran's parents and Chan's brother appealed the night before they were to be executed too! They appealed to the Indonesian president and Australian government. Death sentences in Indonesia aren't as grimm as they're made out to be. The west can't grasp the concept of an SEA nation following through with their laws when it comes to their own citizens.
Two less thieves stealing my oxygen . They didn’t care about ruining others lives , and even less about their own . That is where selfishness leads in Godless lives .
My wife is Indonesian and I have traveled frequently and extensively throughout this country. I much prefer to enjoy their culture, their food, their fabulous landscapes and their people as opposed to spending time in their not so pleasants jails.
I've never been to Indonesia but I've been to Malaysia and Singapore and they are just as strict and just as unforgiving. I was told before I went to not even mention drugs and to keep good watch on my bags at all times. A person in Malaysia told me that the reason they are so strict is because of the proximity of their country to the source of the drugs and also that their countries are well known transport hubs and if they weren't as strict, their countries would be absolutely overrun with drugs. It's more about deterrence for them than it is punishment fitting the crime. This is common knowledge for just about any adult person in that part of the world so I have a hard time finding sympathy for these persons. They weren't just casual users with a few grams left over, they were trafficking. They knew what they were doing and they knew the risks. They got caught and they paid the price.
Singapore hung Nguyen for attempting to transit through there with drugs on him, I rather expect that he was surprised that they searched him when he was only transiting, but Hey! thems the breaks.
@@worldview2888 Van Tuong Nguyen was found to be transporting 396 grams of heroin as he attempted to transit through Changi Airport in December 2002 en route from Cambodia to Australia, Nguyen was convicted and sentenced to death in accordance with Singapore law. He was hanged in Singapore's Changi Prison on the 2nd December 2005 at 6am.. He was 25 years of age. The reason he gave for the drugs was that he wanted to get them back to Australia and sell them and make a lot of money to help his brother who was in trouble with the Australian Authorities over drugs. Some fools attempted to make out that he was some sort of martyr. No he was not, he was just a dirty bottom dwelling piece of filth who did not give a damn about the people he was going to kill with his drugs nor about the grieving families that he would create.
@@robo4599 Good day to you Robo, i am very sorry for my part of misunderstanding. I was actually thinking you were a criminal sympathizer. As far as i know - Singapore does have one of the best standards of law. When i saw that anyone would in this day and age even complain about being served justice for committing a crime in this country, its safe to assume that individual has a very misplace sense of justice. In fact all flights to Singapore will remind you at least multiple times before landing that drug offense contains the penalty. And cheers to your statement.
From a country with a super-hard rule against drugs and smuggling drugs in and out of. We're grappling with cases of drug mules that are sentenced to death on the account that they're very poor, possess low-IQ, and/or were possibly manipulated to be drug smugglers. The Bali 9 seem far more well-off than our cases and they seriously had no business doing what they did, other than dirty greed.
@@lunity1111 MJV got pardoned and commuted to life in prison after its revealed some hours before execution that she's pregnant at that time due to her affair with a warden in her prison and Philippines police were working very fast to reveal the key syndicate members that force her to fly to Indonesia carrying a bag full with narcotics. Her pregnancy and the cooperation shown by Philippines police is more than enough to make Indonesian law automatically commute her sentence out from death penalty even its only few hours left before she were supposedly died.
Death penalty warnings for drug trafficker written all over international entrance point in Indonesia, someone have to be blind or illiterate to missed it upon entering or else willing to take the risk.
Been to Bali.. And before you go to Bali you're told not to have any types of drugs. You land in Denpasar and there are warning signs everywhere. You have to be a complete idiot to buy or sell or even have dope on you there. When I was there an Australian girl was sentenced to 20 years for possession of a few spliffs. And entrapment is legal there so don't go looking for drugs because that's a prison sentence too.
According to my criminal motivations teacher who'd been involved in the case somehow, if the media had dropped the topic, the indonesians would have just quietly released the australians after a few months once everyone had forgotten about them. It's what they usually do and what they would've preferred, but with the spotlight on the case they can't look weak and corrupt to their own people sooooo off to the firing squad they go.
Please ask your teacher to provide any actual examples of commercial, international heroin smugglers being "quietly released after a few months" by Indonesian authorities. Hint - They won't be able to.
Have you ever been to Indonesia? I have and at that time you couldn't walk out of an airport without seeing "drugs equals death!" Signs outside of airports in Bali and Jakarta. Had they gone to Vietnam or Thailand to get their drugs the results would be the same. I don't agree with the death penalty for smugglers but I do agree a country has a right to make and enforce its own laws. And everyone knew what the penalty could be so bashing Indonesia for carrying out the penalty they warn the world of is childish. Don't be a drug dealer or smuggler in Indonesia and you won't face a firing squad, pretty easy right!
Smuggling drug as a mule is indeed stupid, but it never deters the big fishes of the traffic who use the small ones to get arrested, and then everybody is happy : the big traffickers are safe (they have all the necessary political and financial connections for that) to keep going on with their business, and nobody put them under the light, so that the country does not lose its face, the government is happy to give an impression of law and order, Australia has some of its citizens killed to give the rest of their citizens an impression of law and order, and nothing ever changes.
Don't be so quick judge. If you are in the United States, whether you are aware of it or not, you are a criminal yourself. And we are not talking about jay walking here either. You are a full-blown felon. I don't know what you did, but you did something.
True aye and some of the replies here is a one sided reply. Everyone who did that would get the same punishment. Stop acting like they didnt do anything. Rhey had 4m worth of drugs in each of em.
@@jenrutherford6690 If they were expecting consequences in a country where drug smugglers are executed then why would they do it? Also, complaining and making a fuss in prison in a place like that does nothing to help you get early release or better treatment.
Ah yes... Schapelle Corby. The one drug smuggler who, at one point, had a top-notch celebrity lawyer as her defense lawyer. After working with her for a while, he quit, citing personal reasons as drug smugglers aren't really his cup of tea, despite him being able to cut 5 years off her sentence on appeal.
As an Australian, the big issue for me, is not that these people were executed. The issue is that Australian Federal Police collaborated in getting them caught - in Indonesia.
@@MissMariQueen you may want to hold back on the bitchiness there; correcting someone is okay, as long as it's not done in a way you just did. English may not be someone's first language, so mistakes are unavoidable.
This is why you'll hear the announcement not to bring illegal drugs ever in every Indonesian airport. You will hear that announcement at least a hundred times every day.
It really shouldn't need to be an announced. Anyone with morals and common sense would know better. Anyone who doesn't know better has rightfully earned their Darwin Award.
What's very sad is one of their mums figured out what was going on. She reported it to the AFP prior to them leaving in the hope that the AFP would arrest them prior to leaving the country at the airport. Just imagine her grief being responsible for the death of her child.
@@nteekens7411 how come? If I had knowledge that could end your life, I know that if I act, your life will be in danger one way or the other, I still act on this knowledge, knowing that you will go to prison or die trying, worst happens and you die some horrendous way. Are you seriously telling me that I get to live on happy as can be, clean conscious? No problemo?
As a Australian, I watched this drama unfold over a number of years, until the end. Some facts that were discarded, omitted , or just ignored by the Mainstream media. A) They were all carrying a Kilo of PURE Heroin B) The Ring Leaders admitted that they had done this before C) They knew the risks if they were caught D) They got caught Now, no one ever put up the argument of how much 9KG of PURE heroin could be cut down to nor the street value. Not one media outlet or supporter mentioned how many lives ,families, people this would have destroyed, nor the outcome of the previous smuggling or how much this would have costed the community. No one held a gun to their head, they all did this for profit. As the old saying goes " Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time" What I find Ironic, laughable, yet disgusted is that the Mainstream Media, and supporters, blamed the outcome on the Federal Police Commissioner,( Mick Kealty) because he dropped the dime on the smugglers to Indon Police, instead of keeping quite, and letting them enter Australia
yeah, countries with severe issues resorting to drastic measures (to an extent) to solve them are not unreasonable in my opinion, even if giving the death penalty for drug smuggling is harsh
Mick was probably pissed off with the slap on the wrist sentences our left wing judges like to hand out. The ring leaders especially were scum. Good riddance.
Actually if we're upset and looking for someone to blame for the deaths then yes the AFP and the Australian government of the time are in part to blame for not negotiating their extradition to Australia or for having them arrested on the Australian side of the flight. Note that I say "if" - I'm personally with you on the opinion that if you commit a crime with a severe sentence in the country you commit the crime in, then you take your risks knowingly.
@@phenix2403 you do understand how many people die because of this scourge, and how many families are torn apart? These bali 9 deserved it. Death for drug smuggling, especially hard drugs, should be the norm, NOT the exception
They knew what they were doing. Especially after the execution of Barlow and chambers, they were just that arrogant. They did the crime, they paid the price.
The look on the face of Martin Stephens, when he was busted, holding up his shirt to show the heroin strapped to his torso, is worth a lot more than 1000 words. He knows his life is over...
Pretty good summation of the story. One inaccuracy though - I don't recall any of the miscreants being students of any sort. Some of them were coworkers at a catering company and the temptation of making "quick and easy" money was too great.
They didn't deserve execution for it. Watch the real documentary and you'll feel differently about them. After you actually see the execution you will feel differently
@@elena19-80 they weren’t concerned about ruining the lives of those that took the drugs. They’d done it before. They did it for profit. They can’t do it again. Execution is awful but so we’re they.
I’ve not been to Indonesia, but flying into Singapore (with no drugs, well some ibuprofen) and being pulled for a customs search was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life. I made the mistake of dressing like a backpacker.
Asia as a whole as one does not tolerate any drugs hard or not and many our countries do implement the death penalty and yes we do not allow extradition it rarely ever happens so please do not ever ever try or think even if u see it while on your trip , I’m saying so as a Singaporean who happens to have over the 40+ years of my life countlessly travelled and extensively so in Asia love the sun and such hence . Also important to note do not even think that doing it back home and not bringing is ok cause you may not know this but Singapore law does allow to arrest and prosecute any individual foreign or local arriving and departing without drugs on hand but tested positive in them 👌 so don’t do it before and don’t do it when here , all else is fine it’s safe and you’ll enjoy your stay ! Have a good one .
Just a couple of points. 1) the low percentage of population that use drugs is mainly because Indonesia is the most populous Muslim nation on earth. The biggest drug users here are the Christians ( mainly from Sumatra) that use cannabis. 2) living in Indonesia throughout the whole trial and execution, I quickly realized that it was the Western media ( mainly Australian) that made this a cause celebre. The Indonesian media and the average Indonesian citizen, couldn't have cared less.
As an Australian who has been to south east Asia approx. 30 times I would never risk taking any drug inc. marijuana in Asia. Carrying 8 kgs of heroin is insanity. Two guys got executed in Malaysia in the 90s for one kilo.
Dude I love your channel, but no…. This is not an unfortunate tale.. these guys were dumb enough to smuggle drugs into a country with the death penalty for drugs… all Australians know Asian countries have death penalties for drug smugglers…
Well, again, they werne't the mules. The mules didn't get death. They were fucking kingpins. They were monsters. You get death. I mean, could Indonesia have said, "give us names in this country, we'll hand you over to Australia." Sure, the fuckers could've handed names and complied, but they showed zero remorse. A bunch of fucking big tough guys. Unfortunately, there are those who are higher than the king pins and unfortunately, ministers are behind it all. Drugs will forever be present. Nothing you can do.
Agree totally. If they were smart enough to be university students, they should have been smart enough to check out the laws in Indonesia. Besides that, drug smuggling is illegal everywhere, no?
@@sparks1792 You shouldn't be worried about that, the laws of that country is that extreme, and it was long before they started smuggling heroin...so, they were aware of that law, and they decided to take the risk! They did it a couple of times, and then AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL POLICE inform Indonesia about everything! So, let's use our brain, even though it's fuck*n hot like this...
The mother of Scott Rush got wind of the planned trip and reported her son to the Australian police in a bid to stop them. The Australian police, however, alerted the Indonesian police knowing that the sentences would be far greater there than in Australia.
Shell have to live with her stupidity for the rest of her life. Who trusts the police to be of the side of drug smugglers and why would you expect them to be? It's like she hasn't moved past year 3 , I cant deal with this level of studity
HOW MANY other mothers' children did she save hey? If he was a Paedo would you call her a snitch? Hope you never have to close a Coffin on a child of yours dead from Heroin 🤬🤬🤬🤬
As another Aussie I have no sympathy for these people at all. If they got the drugs into Australia, many families would be destroyed, many people are die. They knew the risk, but wanted quick easy cash. I've lost a cousin to drugs, so it's hard for me to feel sorry for people who profit from this. Corby was all over the news and these people still thought it was a good idea?
People die and from meat and hamburgers evry day and people still love McDonalds..... dude sells one piece of bad crack and one person died, now the whole worlds are die him. why? why McDonalds get to live? they kill animals in large warehouses. Your local drugdealer opperates so much more humane than ANY McDonalds, why we dont kill Ronald McDonald?
@@skycloud4802 They do it for quick easy money but when they get caught they cry out for government help. No one I knew felt bad about the Bali 9. I like money, but I work hard for mine.
At the time a prominent Australian dance band told punters that if you supported the executions you should not buy their product or go to their concerts, they later retracted this as a sizeable majority of Australians had little to no sympathy for the nine, opinion polls at the time showed no support for the convicted. Interestingly the then Howard government went very quiet on the issue once the polls were released.
@@vogel2499not everybody knows this. They got greedy. If you are a user and also a foreigner, you are fine, they let it slide. However if you are a dealer... you will get severe punishment.
I still don't know how I feel about this. A few years earlier we watched what happened to Chapelle Corby, EVERYONE in Australia knew about her and what had happened in Bali..... so why did these kids even consider risking it?? As for the death penalty, I don't agree with it, but it's not my country! Every country has different laws, as a tourist you are to obey said laws
Some people are in denial about getting caught, they convince themselves they will outsmart the authorities and some of them obviously do, others don't. If everyone stopped to think about the legal repercussions of a crime and rationalize the situation when they were about to commit the crime then we would live in a very low crime rate society. It's just a mistake some people make.
As Australians, you've surely heard of Charles Darwin. (After all, you have a city named after him.) I'm pretty sure his theory of natural selection more than adequately explains why these people did what they did, and also why we ought not interfere with the consequences of such poor decisions if we actually want to advance as a species.
There was no mention that one of the bali nine, renae lawrence, was released and is back in australia. She got 20 years but only served 12 due to good behavior.
It seems, from all the comments I've read and the general public opinion (both indonesian and international), that nobody really felt sorry or thought any wrong doing for the part of indonesian justice system or government. Therefore it seems that the only people who had interest in smearing the whole case were the big daddies of drug smuggling through their legal minions and media affiliates.
The earths citizens are fed up with drug pushers. Maybe we had more mercy in the 90’s but today everyone wants them dead but the sellers, and I guess the addicts but drug addict “opinions” are irrelevant
@@bobbyanggunawan3407 I am not talking only about comments but the general public opinion both indonesian and international. I personally believe that there isn't one country in the world that would have sympathy for those convicted by indonesian government.
@@bobbyanggunawan3407 Why would you be shocked? They were made plenty aware of the LAWS of the country they were entering and the consequences for breaking those laws.
These laws were in place long before this event happened. I have tremendous sympathy for the families, but not so much for the perpetrators. Life imprisonment, or death, is a horrendous penalty, but then there would have been thousands of people who would have faced worse than this from the drugs themselves, if they had got through.
This was a case that did alot to harm Austyralian/Indonesian relations along with the Chappelle Corby one. When you look at it with a cold and calulating mind it comes down to a simple point : A country can have any punishments it wishes for any crimes. It is upto the traveller to be aware of those punishments and crimes in the country they are going to. If they then decide that it is worth the risk to break the law in a country and they get caught it should not be surprising when they are suddenly acing the punishment that country has for that crime. Then everyone says the home country government must FORCE the other country to make an exception or their citizens. This is not only unfair as why would we let another country tel us how to deal with anyone behaing in a similar way here and we wished to subject them to our local laws. Just because our punishments are not as harsh or our prisions are not in similar state to ones in other countries is no reason to allow other countries how to deal with criminals in our country and we should not be surprised when another country dont want us sticking our noses into their system in a similar way. Also as Jess Sys states below if it had been allowed to die down in the press etc their would have likely been a quiet change in the sentances and they may have been quietly deported to Australia to complete the sentances as was Chappell Corby who was then released a few years after return to Australia. This allowed both governments to say they had a victory Aussies for getting her home to serve her sentance the Indonesian government to say well we are no longer paying for her to stay here and she was convicted under our law. When all is said and done the law in a country is theirs to make and inforce and stick any penality to it they wish, It is upto those visiting those countries to make sure they dont all foul of the local laws and risk these sort of punishments.
#SimonIsaCoward - Won't say anything to the Maternity Hospital bombing. BUT you can be Damn SURE he'll spend the next three years making money off it's 'War Horror Content'!!!
you, sir, are an empathy-free a*****e. May you be punished for your treacherous attitude by being fitted up for a crime you didnt do by the corrupt police of the next country you decide to travel to. The death penalty is irreversible, unlike draconian life sentences, which can be repealed by subsequent mercies. My boss in Telecom used to be a squaddy (pommie commando) during the malayan insurgency in 1960. He not only witnessed many hundreds of summary jungle-clearing executions (not just shooting, beheading, boiling alive, snakepits, deliberate injury by a sharpened bamboo stick with faecal matter, then staked out to die from septicaemia over days, plus other methods too grotesque to even describe publicly (look it up, but be warned, you can't unread this stuff, I still have nightmares from my bosses true stories). These folk were guilty of nothing more than being members of legal trade unions (ie so-called communist "sympathisers". But my boss was allowed to plead medical exemption when the atrocities were beyond his mind's limit- the australian SAS soldiers could not, they were under orders to support US and Indonesian death squads by burning the evidence (piles of bodies rotting in the tropical heat) with flame throwers, or (allegedly) herds of special animals trained to eat human carrion en masse. They tried pigs first, but the pigs became so dangerous that a posse of 10 of these animals hunted and killed all the children in a red cross orphanage, and were only stopped from spreading further through the paddies by a river bursting its banks in a freak flood event. It was when they stocked an artificial lake (the 'lake of fire' Nirvana's Kurt Cobain sings about) with a dozen of the largest New Guinea salt water monster crocs, that my boss felt his mind going and under the shadow of night, deserted the British Army (a court martial sentenced him to death in absentia- remember it was 1960!) and entered Australia illegally using a fake South African identity. He was the best boss I ever had. Sometimes I heard him in his office lock the door from the inside and start to sob uncontrollably, then hit the desk with his fist and mutter words in bahasa including mati (death, I think).
I agree that you don't have the right to require another country to change its punishment however Widodo has challenged other countries re executing Indonesian nationals. So long as they are Muslim of course .
If the Australian govt had a problem with it, why did they tip off the Indonesian govt to start with knowing what the sentence would be? Why not arrest them in Australia?
Honestly? It's well known that some, if not all SEA countries have very strict laws on drugs. So if you go and try to smuggle drugs there, it's your own fault if you get the death sentence for it.
Around the same time some Iranians were caught smuggling huge amounts of Meth amp' into Indonesia , they were spared the death penalty , wonder why? it wouldn't be connected to religion would it ?
@@Elephantssscry harder...all of punishment is applicable to everyone irrespective of their religion. Check what's the punishment given to Muslim when he commits a crime in Islamic country.
Does anyone remember the reporter asking a school child what lesson he got from this incident. His answer was :Don't go to Bali. I guess the reporter was expecting them to say don't do/smuggle drugs :).
@@Savantastic Last time I looked, all of the EU, the rest of Europe, the UK, Canada, most of South and Central America, South Africa and some surrounding countries, Australia, New Zealand, Papua- New Guinea and most of the Pacific countries had abolished such barbarism.
Good on Indonesia for enforcing their laws and not backing down. Way too often, western tourist get away with stuff locals or foreigners from non western countries would never get away with.
Yeah they sure disrupted that international drug ring by arresting and putting to death -the kingpins- some junkies that were tricked into a free trip and some petty cash.
Absolutely no sympathy whatsoever. These blokes knew the risks… If they had been set up then ok, it’s harsh. But they played the game, took the risk and won a stupid prize
Well to be completely fair, heroin has become far more dangerous ever since the move to using fentanyl rather than actual diacetylmorphine (chemical name for heroin). Fentanyl is some 50x more potent than heroin and it could be argued that the enforcement of heroin trafficking laws contributes to the use of fentanyl (intentionally or otherwise) by addicts.
The fact is they knew what they were doing, they knew the punishment for the crime, it is well known what will happen to you and yet they still done it. No sympathy at all for them.
The executions of Barlow and Chambers for heroin smuggling in Malaysia in 1986 was more than well publicised in Australia when it happened. The danger posed smuggling drugs from South East Asian countries was common knowledge and anyone stupid enough to do this earns their punishment through there greed and stupidity. That these guys were so bad our Feds found out should have been the key indicator to the problem. They would have only found out through their informants who were obviously working for a different criminal organisation, who most likely wanted them stopped. No surprises given the Australian drug scene at the time was half wannabees and half mafia/bikie groups, with many of the wannabees being within the legal chains who like the nose candy. This group were wannabees and were getting big enough to be noticed and that is why they got sold out. They could have warned any of the minor players but, they could not arrest them before they left as they had not committed a crime and warning them could have led to other issues regarding their safety in country. As the feds knew they were committing a crime in Indonesia, they had to inform local authorities, or lose the chance for further cooperation by letting a criminal act occur on their soil and not informing them, so that was why they had to let it happen the way it did. Finally, the drugs problems in Sydney at that time were escalating, and this arrest and the subsequent punishments were seen by many as a true deterrent for those thinking of being drug mules. Given the lack of others being executed and the worst offenders being caught with only weed, it has most likely had a serious impact on that form of drug smuggling.
Every Australian living in Australia have all the opportunities to make good living, these Bali 9 are all adults, they make their own choices and they have to live by it
Anyone getting involved in any criminal activity really ought to be aware of the possible consequences. If they don't that just makes them even dumber. I am 200% (and more) against any death penalty, anywhere, but if anyone wants to flirt with it in a country where it exists, they have no excuse when it bites them.
@@GrievousReborn - The are a sovereign country and they dictate what punishment fits which crime. They have every right to do so. They got what they deserved.
@@GrievousReborn Punishment doesn't fit the crime? Are you just that deluded or? Heroin ruins ENTIRE communities and kills countless people everyday. You can absolutely say the punishment fits the crime.
You don't have to like the laws of foreign countries but you do have to obey them if you go there. No sympathy for anyone who gets caught trafficking drugs that cause untold misery. You do the crime, you do the time.
I guess one point you missed was that the Indonesians had no idea about this. The AFP could have waited for them to land in Australia and arrested them there. But they decided to apprehend them in Bali, hence securing their fate. I find it ironic that the Australian government condemd the death penalty when it was exactly what they wanted.
I have a golden rule. I will never visit a country where any sort of pharmaceutical or narcotic paraphernalia could land me being shot against a post, or jailed indefinitely.
If it was known that there was a death penalty for smuggling drugs in Indonesia and you went there to do that it is your problem. It is not the problem of your home country no matter your age.
@@Cactusjugglertm I'd say a billion over the 200 year's it has been abused and used as a weapon. A gun can be used to hunt and to murder as heroin has similar properties for good and bad.
As a former long term heroin addict I take responsibility for my own choices and some low level dealers making easy money don't deserve to be executed for it. I just can't support that.
@@gavinbrando8255 amen I'm with you on that statement, I'm a recovering heroin addict myself and have never once blamed drug dealers for my own choices
Perhaps that's why the Indonesians don't have drug trafficking suspects crawling out of the woodwork. I used to be a narc prosecutor in the US and we deal with drug smugglers every week. Drug smugglers have no fear and no exposure to prison here in California. Maybe they shoukd.
Is the crime of Heroin smuggling and execution for it equal? An interesting question with answers that vary between people. Many who objected to the executions say they do not. Yet, those who had family members die from the use of heroin say they do. But the real question here is the right of each country to make their own laws and to apply them to all who break the laws within their country without the interference of the politicians of another country.
@@adrianong33 Why smoke grass at all? Come to think of it, why get drunk? Better to be aware and enjoy life. Back in the mod 1970s I was on the periphery of a lot of the drug scene in Sydney, as it was then. I didn't use but I knew many who did. I spoke with a few thousand people who used grass, speed, and other illicit substance - and in every case they told a tale of how someone else talked them into trying it and then buying for them as it helped pay for their habit which someone had talked them into starting on to help pay for their habit. While I did speak with some low level street sellers I never got anywhere near any of the dealers, so I don't know what their motivation was, other than money. At the top levels the people selling illicit drugs are in it for the money it gets them, just the same as the legal substance sellers. However, there's bigger profits in the illegal drug market, which incentivizes people to find more users.
how about this question, if a person masterminds a bombing that kills 202 people in the heart of a countries biggest tourist destination should they be released after 10 years? because thats exactly the decision that the same Indonesian government who executed these two made when they released the bali bombings mastermind Abu Bakar Bashir.
@@pissiole5654 Baasyir should get life or at least 20 years, but he wasnt the mastermind of Bali bombing. He was more of a backer The mastermind Amrozi and Imam Samudra were sentenced to death
No you should be allowed to sell and buy h as long as it is not cut with anything dangerous, doesn’t have fent or tranquillisers or any of that bs, and is of a standardised purity (so one can judge the strength properly). Prohibition is the problem.
I'm not 19, but I was some forty years ago. When one actually 'plans' a vacation for the purpose of procuring 'drugs' for the purpose of profiting on their investment, then that is a 'chance'/risk one takes consciously knowing full well the 'cost' beyond the 'investment'. To travel to a foreign country with the express purpose to scofflaw their laws is criminal in itself. To do it with the possibility to killing many more through accidental or purposeful overdoses is quite another. You get what you came for. I was in Germany in the early 70s, serving in Mannheim at Taylor Barracks, one of 6 'barracks' in Mannheim. At the time we had over 283,000 American GI's (not including their dependent wives or children) in Europe. A large majority of these stationed there had been sent directly there from Vietnam; in hopes they would 'calm down' and 'come home clean' as the posted posters said. This was the time of the 'Cold War'. Our purpose was to 'slow the Warsaw Pact onslaught as they were expected to reach the Rhine in 48hrs once the proverbial balloon went up. We were merely 'bait' for the rest of our military to be deployed as part of NATO. Ours was a serious mission that required a whole lot of manpower and investment. Noting the above, I was present and witnessed a couple of 'episodes' that involved 'drugs' and the typical American GI who hoped to gain a profit on his 'investment'. As I sat at my fourth-floor window of a previous SS Barracks, I was enjoying the late afternoon sun, when I heard the siren of a German Polizei as he passed our gate in hard pursuit of one of our company members who hurriedly parked below my window. The polizei pulled up, dismounted with submachineguns at the 'ready'. They forced open the trunk of this GI's car and pulled out two 35 US Gallon plastic bags of 'drugs'. Additionally, they pulled out 57 Kilos of Hashish. His 'procurement' and it's purpose was immediately 'obvious'. I saw him some years later in Wittlich as I had driven a commanding officer there to conduct a military courts martial on an unrelated (but drug involvement) episode. The company member form Mannheim had been sentenced to 57yrs in prison. The US Army never did conduct the courts martial on the party they went to Wittlich for, rather they gave all prosecutorial rights over to the German Government as that 'episode' member involved a German national. He too got 57hrs. I've seen US service members on Active Duty, assigned overseas and have seen the terrible things that they've done among others where he was a 'guest'. From driving an M60 tank over cars parked on a street in Mannheim to going off a bridge and dying as it turned over and he couldn't open the 'hatch'. I've seen where in Mannheim a GI actually robbed people on a German Strassenbahn (trolley), as he held them at gunpoint! There is no end of 'bad behavior'.. But when one goes to another country for the express purpose of breaking (disrespecting) its laws for the purpose of selfish personal benefit at the cost of 'peace' of the nationals, then he/she deserves prosecution to the fullest!
57 years? Shouldn’t be possible under German criminal law. But otherwise interesting story. My father grew up in Bitburg near a US military base and knew many GI’s as a kid. Bitburg is in the border region to Luxemburg and people in his older siblings‘ social circle together with some GI’s were involved in drug smuggling too, allegedly. I heard some wild stories about that. Can’t say that I have much sympathy for drug smugglers. Especially not the “break strict laws abroad and then expect to get out unharmed because you are a western tourist“ kind. Just respect local law when you travel! I am generally in favor of decriminalizing recreational drug use in some cases, and addicts should be helped, not put in prison. But people who make millions selling highly addictive illegal drugs to people who can’t really make rational decisions because of their addiction and will in many cases die as a result definitely deserve punishment. I oppose the death penalty without exception, but this case has so many problematic aspects that using it as an anti death penalty model case just doesn’t work.
@@p.s.224 Yeah I highly doubt it too, Germany doesn't hand multi decade sentences purely for drug smuggling. Perhaps the men had also been involved in other extremely serious but non-drug related offences, such as murder? That's the only way to receive a 57 year sentence in Germany.
They walked in eyes wide open , knowing Indonesia has a death sentence for trafficking . If you wish to be an international criminal its best to do a cost-benefit analysis for each jurisdiction first , lest there be any nasty surprises. For example, in Nairobi if a crowd caught a mugger they could beat him to death and the police would see nothing wrong with that . Lets not impose foreign values on countries that had been imposed upon by foreigners for far too long .
Actually they were given 72 hours notice before their executions. There was another controversy you failed to mention, the AFP could've waited until they landed in Australia before arresting them - therefore saving them from the death penalty and whole of life sentences.
When living in Aus for 10 yrs in my mid-late teens, Indonesia is a common place to visit and we all knew of the harsh laws there. It's the same as we all knew about Singapore, another common tourist destination for Aussies. This truly is a case of cultural ignorance coincided with corruption, inaction, and undoubtedly, political gain via harsh punishment. Unfortunately I don't think that this "relatively common occurrence" and media portrayal will change their policies all that much.
@@Timmycoo Its not their first deadly rodeo anyway and they kept tried their luck for the second time even after they already know they would be totally doomed if their actions were got caught. They are playing with the fire since the beginning and one slight stroke of misfortune can lead them to a total doom
Around the same time some Iranians were caught smuggling huge amounts of Meth amp' into Indonesia , they were spared the death penalty , wonder why? it wouldn't be connected to religion would it ?
I have to correct one thing you said at 9:33: they did actually get warning. They were given 72 hours notice on the evening of April 25, 2015. (In Australia, that’s a solemn war commemoration public holiday (ANZAC Day), so giving notice on that day was considered by some as an insult.)
Sick and tired of people saying “their country, their rules” those executed may be foreigners but they are humans too and that’s the business of everyone including nations that doesn’t practice the death penalty. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Two things not mentioned: If memory serves correct, the two executed were lieutenants in the organisation. You don't become that by rescuing kittens out of trees. Also, there are deaths for every kilo of narcotics produced, so they already had blood on their hands.
Around the same time some Iranians were caught smuggling huge amounts of Meth amp' into Indonesia , they were spared the death penalty , wonder why? it wouldn't be connected to religion would it ?
On the whole, I am opposed to the death penalty but this is a very complicated case and there are many factors to consider. On paper, it might seem easy to judge someone, say a serial killer, as 'deserving' of the death penalty whereas a group of drug smuggling teenagers should not be subject to such harsh punishments as they did not take anyone's life. But, as other commenters have pointed out, the heroin they were smuggling has the potential to take many more lives than even the most active serial killer could even dream of. I also think that there is a level of arrogance at play amongst those who commit crimes in another country thinking that the system in their own more liberal-minded home nation will come to their aid and they will avoid the harsher punishments of the country where they committed the crime. Of course, the punishment is not the only issue here and the fact that politicians are all too eager to play with human lives for their own benefit also needs to be considered. That said, anyone who claims they are surprised by this clearly isn't paying attention.
@@prapanthebachelorette6803 I'm sorry, but I'm not sure whether you are being sarcastic or not. I just replied with my own thoughts as they came to me but apologise if I appeared to be patronising or stating the obvious.🙂🤐
No, seriously, I think you pointed out the complexities really well. There are just so many problematic aspects here: death penalty in general is controversial. Like you I oppose it. National sovereignty and how far it should go and how much criticism of foreign legal systems is appropriate is another one. Western tourists‘ arrogance is yet another factor. Then: drugs! Should drug use be decriminalized? This is something I generally support. At least I think that people who suffer from addiction should be helped and not put in prison. But doesn’t that make me a hypocrite for still thinking that drug dealers deserve punishment? I agree with you that smuggling millions worth of dangerous, addictive illegal drugs might cause more deaths than most serial killings. Especially when those affected by addiction can’t really make rational decisions about their drug use, I totally don’t think selling drugs is in any way a minor offense.
They knew the rules of the game. They played the game. They lost the game. Dont see where ther problem is. Indonesia doesnt make any attempt to hide or mislead people regarding their laws. Dont like it, dont go and certainly dont mess with narcotics.
I had friends that went to school with many of these guys and to be honest they got what they deserved. As a parent, dealing with a child that may have been hooked on the drugs they brought into the country is a worse fate. No mercy to drug dealers!
What you completely fail to cover in your video is the extreme popularity of Indonesia’s tough drug laws among the native populous and the majority of foreign expats who call Indonesia, home. This local support is best illustrated by the response to then PM Tony Abbott’s request that Indonesia keep in mind his country's assistance following the 2004 tsunami and not move forward with the executions. That local response is best illustrated by a grass roots and huge local movement called 'Koin untuk Australia' or #CoinForAustralia where local coins were collected for shipment back to Australia as payback for Australia’s generous assistance. We respect Australia’s sovereignty and only ask the same from Australia.
This one's definitely a tricky one. There has to be harsh punishments for people in the drugs trade simply due to the harm it has but politics come along and make it a nightmare
Around the same time some Iranians were caught smuggling huge amounts of Meth amp' into Indonesia , they were spared the death penalty , wonder why? it wouldn't be connected to religion would it ?
One of the Bali Nine was an 18 year old. Literally just a boy, he was sentenced to life in prison, to Literally die in there while some of the others got out after 12 years. This young lad is 33 now. And still in there. You do stupid stuff when you're a kid, Australia should be pressuring Indonesia to let him go free, it's been 15 years and like I said he was convicted on a first ever drug offence of his life at 18 bloody years old. He's completely changed man and suffered enough. Offered bribes to get out after only 1 year sentence but couldn't afford it. Does that sound like justice to you? Dirty system
Im from Malaysia. Hanging traffickers is as akin to bussing the homeless to California. It looks like its an effective deterence from the outside. In a world where appearance matters the most and most cant see past appearance the death penalty continues to receive popular support while drugs are increasingly prevalant through out the country.
Stupid yes, harsh punishment, definitely. And if the controversies were true including the bribing Indonesia was definitely in the wrong. And i fully believe the bribing to be true, have even experienced it myself, although not as severe ofcourse.
An eye for an eye does not mean you must give equal punishment for a crime. It's a limiting rule. It means you may not give more punishment than the crime. e.g. two eyes for one eye.
Yes. A concept totally foreign to most of the law-and-order psuedoChristian types out there. It's not an exhortation to harsh punishment, but a statement on proportionality. With room for compassion and forgiveness.
@@josephledux8598 It’s supposed to be. But that second part-the limitations & room for compassion & forgiveness part-is, disgustingly enough, conveniently forgotten. By those who loudly claim to know the source material best. Breaks my heart and my faith in humanity.
@@jessicadangerfield1539 I can't speak for other countries or societies, but if I got to vote for it in the USA I'd abolish the death penalty in a heartbeat. It's the morally correct position and you don't even need to get into whether some crimes and criminals deserve it. All you have to consider is that there's no coming back from it. Once done, that's it. And only a blithering fool would think that innocent people haven't been executed. Probably a great many of them. And that alone is all you need to justify getting rid of capital punishment as the morally correct thing to do. I've had long experience with the criminal justice system in this country both as a police officer and as a legal professional, among other things. And there's not a doubt in my mind that innocent people are on death row right now. And always have been, some of whom have undoubtedly taken that final walk. THAT is an evil so terrible, so repugnant that it's worse than anything that any criminal has ever done no matter how vicious or depraved. Why? Because when the state kills innocent people it's always a bigger crime than some individual doing it. Anyway, that's my rant.
Despite the long-standing and well-recognized death penalty for drug trafficing in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia there are yet many and, yes, that includes a host of Australian men and women, who blithely ignore so, thinking they'll somehow go on by. The record shows otherwise and they are executed.
honestly i think those who do this are thrill seekers, they need that excitement, danger and adrenaline rush.... just like the ones that climb the Mount Everest knowing full well they could be on their last journey.
Number 1 rule of international travel: Don't f*ck with the laws of the country you're in.
The Golden Rule for foreigners.
Yes
"When in Rome..."
Of course but these idiots, like most probably thought they were smart enough to get away with it.
Yes, it's real simple: OBEY THE LAW OF THE LAND!
FYI...For those of you watching this that have never gotten HEAVILY involved in the use or sale of narcotics, its impossible for you to comprehend what 73lbs (sry, from America, or 33 kilo's) of heroin represents. That's between $16-17 million on the street/retail depending on where you buy it. That means each COLLEGE STUDENT had over $4 million of smack strapped to 'em. I had to do the calculations/conversions twice b/c after the 1st time I thought I heard it wrong, ha.
Yeah man, im an Australian, I remember the case, and I remember thinking F%#k Me thays a lot of drugs.
Ehh street values are always far over exaggerated. Still a lot of drugs
@@micktompson101 it’s currently between £60-£100 per gram in the uk, 1kg would be between £60,000 and £100,000 if sold in grams but obviously if you had kilos of it you would be a supplier rather than a dealer so that would bring it down to £40k-£60k profit per kg
Yeah, that was a metric fuckton of smack that they were trying to haul. So for that reason, I have little sympathy for the prepetrators--but at the same time, I don't support the death penalty because (as we've seen) it's applied far too capriciously and solely for political capital. :/
#SimonIsaCoward - Won't say anything to the Maternity Hospital bombing. BUT you can be Damn SURE he'll spend the next three years making money off it's 'War Horror Content'!!!
Every foreigners before entering Indonesia was given a visa form inside a plane before touching down on Indonesian soil.
The form usually coloured light green or turquoise and there's a warning sign in bold red above that written like 'carrying illegal drugs to Indonesia is punishable by death'. And if you taken that warning lightly and think it's a joke and keep carrying the stuff that could get you killed in front of Indonesian firing squad...
then try it.
Sadly many people think that "law of backward place does not apply to superior like me"
@@altariacorona exactly how the rich folks in the USA are. They think they should suffer no consquenses, and usually they dont suffer the same consequences as the lower class
And these idiots only got paid for 15k US $ for risking their lives.
Same in Thailand, you're well warned before arrival
They were removing drugs from Indonesia though
First, I'd like to point out I am firmly against execution, but there was something missed out in this video which is important. I travelled to Bali in early 2004 on the way to Australia. Even before I left I was given warnings about taking Codeine, which they considered to be a Class 1 drug. I also heard other stories in Australia. When I arrived at Densapar Airport it was highly noticeable that were signs in English stating that possession of drugs in Indonesia was a capital offence with the death penalty. There were also bins placed in corners away from the CCTV cameras to dump your drugs in before going through customs. The authorities were clearly going out of their way to avoid problems with the Australian youth that partied there. There was no way the Bali 9 were not aware of the dangers. This I believe should have been clearly pointed out in the video.
Very true went same time even tho i had no drugs i felt scared with all the signs.. and then a worker grabbing a bag to push through everyone but they just wanted a tip still eye opening
That is true, but I am not sure anyone else says the Bali 9 didn’t know the risks. Although a few of the Bali 9 may have tried to say that, it would be pretty much BS.
I was going to say there was also the example of Van Tuong Nguyen, but I just realised he was executed in Singapore in December 2005, 7 months after the Bali 9 were caught. Most of then would have been too young to remember Barlow and Chambers.
The problem with harsh penalties is do not work. The person attempting to smuggle the drugs thinks they won’t get caught.
Also dangerous to travel to Iraq and N. Korea. There are a lot of dangerous places Gavin. And it's good to know that you're against murdering people.
As someone who can remember when the Bali 9 got caught, I can confirm that the general media had been talking about this situation for years. Short form - drug smugglers who got caught faced terrible consequences, and they were caught often. There was, very very simply, no excuse for being unaware of this.
he clearly make video & doesn't do his own research or simply travel to bali before judging
Indonesia gets a lot of the bad press for this, largely because of cases like the Bali 9. But it's far from being the only nation in that region that enforces such a strict response to drug offenses.offenses. Both Singapore and Malaysia similarly upholds capital punishment for this, and are similarly ruthless in carrying them out. Even amongst each other, as recently Singapore executed a Malaysian man who was found guilty of trafficking.
Your appeals will be ignored, your home governments will almost never be able to intervene, you will die alone. So really think twice before going to these countries and pushing your luck.
Not Russians lol. Russia threatened a few nations which wanted to kill Russian drug dealers. They are released routinely (but banned)
You also forgot Philippines, China and Thailand only recently changed its politics. Although the latter rarely had executions but ending up in it's prison was equally bad.
Indonesia does not hide the fact what they will do with drug smugglers.Its posted.everywhere..
not being the only one doesn't make it less bad
@Z Malek good example
As citizen of Indonesia, this case is a bit normal here. To simplefy, if you a courir, grower or seller you get prison time, if you ringleader (or bandar as we called them) you get the death sentence.
Malaysia ada jugak sama sikit, tapi bezanya kalau ada kabel orang atas senang hidup
these are good laws. salute to indonesia!
concerning anybody involved in making profit from illegal drugs i think thats a proper way of dealing with this situation
It sounds a bit like the kingpin statue in the US.
Barbaric
You didn't get into the scandal that it was the Australian Federal Police that tipped the Indonesia authorities off about the plot, thereby ensuring that Australian citizens would get caught abroad (thereafter executed...). If they had have just stayed quiet and picked them up at the Australian border the fate of the 9 would have been markedly different having been prosecuted through the Australian system...
Yeah our feds fucked up there & admitted they should've kept quiet until they got to Sydney Airport to arrest them & not tip off their counterparts & then no executions would've taken place. Even prisoner swaps were laughed at by their president as "U Aussie's don't kill ur prisoners". I'm one of those tho that say that it's at ur own peril drug smuggling anywhere in the world let alone into Asian nations. I'm not saying they should've been killed, a long stint in prison yes but u gotta respect other countries laws at the same time & us Aussie's know better than that. I just remember one of the boys asking to be executed & was executed in his Penrith Panthers jersey as he was a huge Riff supporter in the NRL & the Riff club supported him the whole way up till the end
@@Tully_23_32 Yeah, I absolutely get that. Smuggling drugs anywhere in the world is a risky game that you have to be aware could end up with horrendous sentences.
Just in this instance the death sentences were completely avoidable if the AFP had have stayed quiet & dealt with it as a domestic matter.
They committed the crime in Indonesia and as such should face their legal system.
Scandal? I just saw some drug smugglers get the bullet, a cause for celebration really. Play stupid games in a death penalty country, win stupid prizes.
@@Tully_23_32 Imagine your last bit of clothing in life being a bloody Panthers sport jersey... wow what a pointless last act. What, were the prison guards or the firing squad going to care about that?
Places like Indonesia don’t particularly make a secret of what they will do to convicted drug traffickers. In Indonesia there’s signs up in the airports which quite plainly say ‘death penalty for drug smugglers’. It’s in pretty much all the tourist information too.
Yeah sure, they should be punished. Im Indonesian and I agree, when you visit a country, then respect that countrys rules. But death penalty is too much and not okay. Indonesia just loves to create sensation. Its good for headlines and to show power. Trust me, theres A LOT of power abuse in Indonesia, lots of wrongly accused cases, but the prosecutors get away with it. The countrys fucked, just dont bother visiting it. Youre just giving money to these evil leaders.
death penalty is appropriate for that kind of crime, its poison to the whole country cause deaths through overdose
That doesn't make it ok?
@@mekabareFAFO
@@mekabareis that so? Then come here and change that if you can
Not mentioned in this story is that this was not their first drug run, they had twice before carried several kilos and made the trip to Australia. These young people are not the wide eyed innocents that most want to portray and have us believe.
It was mentioned
It's still utterly barbaric to shoot people for that.
Yeah lethal injection much more appropiate !
@Peter Tel it's also idiotic to think it's a good idea to smuggle large amounts of drugs out of such a barbaric place.
@@ExpatChef71 Why dabble in drugs in a country that has the death penalty? They gambled & lost.
As an aussie I remember this well. No sympathy at all from myself or anyone else I know, largely due to the fact that it is common knowledge here that smuggling through Indonesia could result in a death sentence.
Agree - as an Australian I would not shed tears for those 9 who knew precisely the severity of the risk they were taking, just to make money to import misery into our country and ruin other Australian's lives. I don't agree that the 2 ringleaders should have been executed but ultimately that was the result of the choice they made, again purely motivated by greed.
Yes as an Australian we know the risks and it's stupid to do it , I still feel very sympathetic towards these people. But I feel so angry at the incredible stupidity and naivety of the parents who informed on their own kids ...and as a result got them killed . Who is ignorant enough to think the Australian police are going to do the right thing and arrest drug smugglers on " this side. ". They don't care about drug smugglers I am just overwhelmed by the idiocy of the parents
They were so young, it’s not like they murdered someone.
Have a look on youtube for interviews with both the guys who were executed. They may change your opinion.
@@BlacksmithBets bruh, are u serious?
As an American/Australian who has travelled extensively in South East Asia I can tell you it is made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR what the penalties for smuggling drugs are, especially class A narcotics. It is made terrifyingly obvious what the penalties are, and these people were bringing the drugs out, so at the very least they were very informed on their arrival. They make it obvious enough that even travelling and knowing I was totally clean I was still a bit ‘hoooooly shiiiit’ what if my bag touched something it shouldn’t?
Yes, going through Malaysia there are continues reminders that the death penalty applies to drug trafficking.
@@sandy-quimsrus the scariest airport security was in Thailand, their airport security were just casually toting M16s - they asked my friend for her passport, as in to hand it to them, my friend said ‘what should I do?’ I said ‘He’s holding an automatic rifle, I’d comply’ and she so she did. Looked at it, stamped it and said ‘good, good, have you fun stay’. Scary.
"As an American/Australian who has travelled extensively in South East Asia" yes you are right. Unfortunately for most of the 9 it was their first trip overseas. The Australian Federal Police (AFP) were given a tip off by one the the 9's Mother. She wanted to stop her child doing something stupid and dangerous an asked them to arrest their child before they boarded the plan for Bali. What the AFP did with this information was to give it the Indonesian police force. The Death penalty is outlawed under Australian law and the AFP knew that their actions would lead to the Death penalty being applied. The Indonesians police trailed all 9 from the moment they landed in Bali. When 2 of the 9 left the hotel to pick up the heroin, the Indonesian police lost track of them. When the 2 returned to their accommodations the realised they had been give less drugs than they had purchased. So again they left the hotel to pick up more heroin.... The Indonesian police then lost them again... No idea who could have sold them the drugs were huh
It is good old fashioned Greed that got them into DEEP SHIT LOL.
@@butchyost3694 it doesn’t matter that it was their first trip overseas, obviously you’ve never been to South East Asia. It is made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR when you ARRIVE what the penalties are, these people were leaving, they had had suitable warning as soon as they landed, before they even passed Indonesian customs enabling them to enter into the country. There is no excuse.
Very simple, when visiting another country, obey their laws. I live part time in Thailand and at the airport drug smuggling and the various penalties are spelled out, up to execution.
Maybe they should put up graphic videos or some other idiot-proof media to make sure that people understand this perfectly. Why would someone take such a stupid, huge risk in such a place is beyond me.
What if you have just arrived in Indonesia with a bag load of cocaine. How do you get rid of it?
How’s that boot taste? If the laws are fucked, we call them fucked.
@@ratulxy Find a bear
I’m born from Indonesia but grew up in Australia. I’ve found their laws are pretty strange like how child marriages and statutory rape get treated so differently from drug smuggling and sodomy. Tons of cases of the former get forgotten or let go and get you can get very physical punishments for the latter 😅
I had 2 brothers who died from drug OD.
I have no sadness for drug runners
Blame the system instead, using pure heroin with medical oversight you can get 100 years old but governments want people to do it unattended in dirty streets. No one forced your brothers to do drugs but if one decides to they should have a safe opportunity to do so
Not nobody's fault they were junkies
@@Unbreakable808 wahh
What about people who die from alcohol Poisoning ? That’s not the governments fault right, coz it’s legal ? Admit your brothers were junky’s, no one else’s fault
No one forced it on your brothers. They 9 people didn’t deserve to die for this.
going to sound like a heartless bastard, but if you are planning on international drug smuggling, you may want to look into the possible punishments in case you get caught in said foreign county and weigh the risks vs rewards prior to starting such a ventrure
I agree with you. As the saying goes, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
If you think what you said makes you sound like a heartless bastard, I must sound like a heartless bitch because I couldn't agree more. With that said, I am definitely open to hearing a reason why my thinking may be backwards.(?) To be honest, I can't come up with anything else. I would like to hear the arguments from the victim advocates side. Just knowing this could be my fate from breaking the law intentionally would stop me dead in my tracks.
Never trust friendly looking locals. They're rumoured to target gullible tourists.
@@Julia-uh4li Regardless of the victims' knowledge of their crimes' possible consequences, the issue is the law itself being unjust. Taking it to an extreme, what if the death penalty was issued for jaywalking--should a country abide its citizens being punished that severely for the sake of a foreign politician's career?
Yep
Are we arguing that the executed were involved in a drug smuggling enterprise or are we arguing whether the law was applied correctly? No one but the Indonesian government has the right to say what is right and lawful. The people of Indonesia are represented by those in government. They got what they had coming. Who speaks for those children whose parents are not able to properly care for them due to drug dependency? Who speaks for those that have overdosed and died? And who speaks for the loved ones of those that died? Who speaks for those that have had their futures and potential ripped away by addiction? Why do we care for those who profit of the demise of others?
For some historical content, I'd like to point to the Opium Wars in neighbouring China.
"Kill all narcotic dealers" is entirely understandable policy for people who've been enslaved at cannonpoint.
Relatedly, this also perfectly explains China's psychopathic foreign policy and racial extermination campaigns.
They're a rabid dog because they're a _beaten_ dog.
@@JoshSweetvale What " racial extermination campaigns"?
@@davidcheung8595 Uyghurs, Tibetans.
Anyone who's not Han Chinese.
@@JoshSweetvale So they are killed? How and where did you learn this, and any facts to show? If you tell me you got it from CNN\BBC, then I give up.
@@davidcheung8595 Your ignorance is profound.
SE Asia doesn't want to become another Portland or Seattle. Imagine that!
There was a similar case that happened way before the Bali Nine, that being the arrest and hanging of Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers in Malaysia, 1986. This well-known case prompted the then Prime Minister Bob Hawke to literally label Mahatir's Malaysia as barbaric. The Bali Nine was not a case of innocence, rather that of ignorance. They should have known the risks, the risks that Barlow and Chambers before them as an example ultimately paid for with their lives.
Yeah that was a huge case,fair while ago now though, but you are right ,they must have known the risks though, probably didn't take it seriously,or didn't think they would get caught.
Even closer to this event was the conviction of Van Nguyen in Singapore for drug trafficking. His conviction and death sentence was widely publicised in Australia at the time. He was on death row when the Bali Nine were caught and he was eventually hanged a few months later. In view of this, I can only think that the actions of the Bali Nine were incredibly stupid.
It wasn't ignorance either, but a calculated risk. They wanted to get richer by causing several deaths in Australia.
Had they been caught in Singapore or Malaysia it is quite likely that all nine of them would have hanged. They show no mercy and neither apologise nor account to anyone. The amount that they were carrying (8.3kg) was way in excess of what Barlow and Chambers (179g - Mayasia 1986), Michael McAuliffe (142g - Mal. 1993), or Van Truong Nguyen (396g Singapore 2005). Up until the capture of the Bali Nine, I had considered the fact that Australian authorities were intercepting huge shipments of drugs, while those being caught in Asian countries were carrying much smaller amounts was a sure sign of police corruption and that minor players were being sacrificed by the drug lords to maintain their relationship with corrupt police.
I was living in Australia at the time of the Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers executions. As I recall, they got very little sympathy from average Australians - most people seemed to think that they got exactly what they deserved, as with this later lot.
I'm an Australian and have very little sympathy for the 9.
These guys were trying to bring in kilograms of an awful drug to sell to vulnerable people in Australia, and I'm glad only nine families were destroyed instead of hundreds more if their plot had succeeded. The wide publicity of this and the Corby case has probably had some impact on the willingness of people to do these smuggling runs from Indonesia to Australia, in view of the now widely known harsh punishments for getting caught.
I'm Indonesian and i feel sorry about your people lost. But as you know south east asia especially Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia have high strict rules on drug. either you will get life prison or death sentence if you get caught bringing drug here. more better if you not do that. you come to other country that mean you agree about their country rules. As always we are welcoming every tourist here
you're not god to judge people like that and "the vulnerable people" you're defending aren't victims, they have the freedom to decide things for themselves, and if they use/buy drugs it's mostly their fault, and it's because of them that the international drug trafficking exists... it's with their money that they buy guns and expand their "business"... so they are also guilty and part of this criminal activity... the people you're trying to save is almost as bad. they will get addicted, destroy their lives and their families and it's not 9 drug smugglers caught that will stop them from doing that...
@@akgamingzz 2 terrorists who killed 20 people and wounded 200 in bali were sentenced to 8 to 18 years with possibility of parole...
@@kitsune090 we love our law for stricting the drug. The new vote result is 85% our resident (est.180millions) vote for keep banning drug for forever. If you dont want get trouble for drug law, dont bring it. Sign and warning everywhere when you enter here. Be smart when you entered another country. Good tourist is always read the country rules they visit, what things able to do and what not. Some different country have different culture. Be smart. World is not same place as you think.
@@kitsune090 why you want be a drug dealer to another country. That is criminal already. Drug can destroy people's life. If you want to consume drug, have it by yourself. Dont share to others people. Thats a bad crime
The worst bit is that Scott Rush's parents contacted the Australian police because they wanted to *prevent* the crime being committed in the first place
The parents would have been just beside themselves, because they would have all about the Barlow and Chambers case...and seen their own kids heading that way. The barlow/chambers case needs to be brought up I feel from time to time, to show they WILL execute white Australians.
How dumb do you have to be to report your own child of a crime being committed that will involve their inevitable death via firing squad. What a moron
@@mitchhodge7868 No - these parents were the generatoin who saw Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers be executed in the 1980's (and they just took cannabis)....and passed the information the AUSTRALIAN federal police, in attempts to stop them before being caught by the Bali police. People have forgotten those two men, and their case. The Aust Feds let them onto the plane be caught by the Bali cops. They knew what was going to happen. The two Australian men Barlow and Chambers were hung - no one believed they would actually execute a foreign national - they were wrong. These parents were terrified of what they had senn be done to other Ausytralians.
@Roxann Legg autocorrect turned off?
Parents tell the AFP and expect AFP to "Prevent" them ? base on what ? Base on Parents dont want their kids go on a plane to Bali and have fun? At that Point AFP ahs no proof of Scott is carry drug. They only have the word of the parents. Why don't the parents just tell Scott "I already told the AFP, so you might as well give up". Or even better, if the parents KNEW he will be going to Bali to transprot drug back, why don't parents, do the right thing by go over and make a scene which will prevent their son be allow to carry the drug (remember, they supposed to be discreet). Or give some tough love, break his leg. that will DEFINITELY prevented him leaving.
Don't blame the AFP not preventing, because they were powerless. DOn't blame AFP that inform their Indonasia counterpart, as they have the obligation under the agreement to share information.
the most controversial part of the story, is the behaviour of the Australian Federal Police. Scott Rush's father notified the AFP, through a lawyer, as he had overheard his teenage son discussing the plan. His lawyer believed the AFP would prevent the crime. The AFP decided that teens charged with a conspiracy charge would not receive a harsh enough penalty in Australia so handed them over to the Indonesian police knowing they would face the death penalty
This was a huge letdown and betrayal on the part of the AFP.
@@bree3003 couldn't agree more
Based AFP
AFP did the right thing, there is nothing controversial about anything. You wanna be gangsta, go be gangsta. Dont blame AFP.
@@BobbaFett312 not worth discussing as give up information to put Australian Citizens at penalty of a death sentence is no longer permissible because of the controversy.
Some incorrect facts here... they had some warning as they had to be moved to death island. And Indonesians give a 72 hour notice to the prisoners and their families. They would have known. And the families did get to say goodbye. There is an interview with them after their last meetings with the bali two
Exactly. Andrew chan even got married before he was executed. His family also visited him.
@@jegerm6752👍
Bali's one of Australia's favourite holiday destinations, it's widely known what the consequences are if you're caught. None of my friends and myself, who were around the same age group as them at the time, had sympathy for these people - not in the sense they should get lesser sentences because of their nationality. We did however expect the Australian Embassy to assist them in some degree and at least try, but at the end of the day, it's their country, their laws. A little dark to say but, their lesson on the consequences is a lesson to others, so some good came from this.
No good can come from executing people for drug crimes. Knowing the consequences doesn’t make it right. Just like how limb amputation isn’t morally acceptable for petty crimes anymore.
@@BlacksmithBets I don't think smuggling 30 kg of narcotics is a petty crime?
Agreed. The message it sends certainly deters other smugglers.
@@BlacksmithBets you really think people get amputated on petty crimes?
@@BlacksmithBets you crazy? more then hundred thousand ppl die each year from heroine alone, not to mention the suffering for these junks children or family. no dealers = no distribution = no addicts. i feel no sympathy for idiots who travel to a country knowing that this country has the death penaly for smuggling narcotics. good ridence
A few things. They could speak Bahasa. They knew within 72 hours they would be executed. They weren't blindfolded or roughly removed from their cells. It's not like how the Soviets executed people, but literally pulling them out of their beds or cells, marching them to a room, getting them to kneel whilst their execution order was read out to them, only for seconds to go by and then get shot in the back of the neck or head.
But it is made abundantly clear in Australia that you do not fuck around with drugs in South East Asia. They have signs above the entry gates in Singapore and Indonesia clearly saying if you're carrying Class A drugs you can face the death penalty if caught.
Chan and Sukumaran we not good guys and got what they deserved.
Exactly! There's a documentary filmed whilst they were alive awaiting their death sentences; they showed Chan and Sukumaran having completely integrated into the Kerobokan prison and being well-known amongst fellow inmates and guards and well respected too. Chan had a wife/gf who was Indonesian and he spoke Bahasa with her on camera. Sukumaran had started an art studio where he'd make paintings and he too can be seen speaking Bahasa. The research in this video wasn't well done.
Exactly as you said they were made aware 2-3 days before they were to be executed so that they could say their goodbyes. Sukumaran's parents and Chan's brother appealed the night before they were to be executed too! They appealed to the Indonesian president and Australian government. Death sentences in Indonesia aren't as grimm as they're made out to be. The west can't grasp the concept of an SEA nation following through with their laws when it comes to their own citizens.
Two less thieves stealing my oxygen .
They didn’t care about ruining others lives , and even less about their own .
That is where selfishness leads in Godless lives .
Were they not reformed?
My wife is Indonesian and I have traveled frequently and extensively throughout this country. I much prefer to enjoy their culture, their food, their fabulous landscapes and their people as opposed to spending time in their not so pleasants jails.
I've never been to Indonesia but I've been to Malaysia and Singapore and they are just as strict and just as unforgiving. I was told before I went to not even mention drugs and to keep good watch on my bags at all times.
A person in Malaysia told me that the reason they are so strict is because of the proximity of their country to the source of the drugs and also that their countries are well known transport hubs and if they weren't as strict, their countries would be absolutely overrun with drugs. It's more about deterrence for them than it is punishment fitting the crime.
This is common knowledge for just about any adult person in that part of the world so I have a hard time finding sympathy for these persons. They weren't just casual users with a few grams left over, they were trafficking. They knew what they were doing and they knew the risks. They got caught and they paid the price.
yup lets not forget the notorious Golden Triangle is in Southeast Asia.
Singapore hung Nguyen for attempting to transit through there with drugs on him, I rather expect that he was surprised that they searched him when he was only transiting, but Hey! thems the breaks.
@@robo4599 Could you please phrase your statement properly? what are you even trying to say?
@@worldview2888 Van Tuong Nguyen was found to be transporting 396 grams of heroin as he attempted to transit through Changi Airport in December 2002 en route from Cambodia to Australia, Nguyen was convicted and sentenced to death in accordance with Singapore law. He was hanged in Singapore's Changi Prison on the 2nd December 2005 at 6am.. He was 25 years of age. The reason he gave for the drugs was that he wanted to get them back to Australia and sell them and make a lot of money to help his brother who was in trouble with the Australian Authorities over drugs. Some fools attempted to make out that he was some sort of martyr. No he was not, he was just a dirty bottom dwelling piece of filth who did not give a damn about the people he was going to kill with his drugs nor about the grieving families that he would create.
@@robo4599 Good day to you Robo, i am very sorry for my part of misunderstanding. I was actually thinking you were a criminal sympathizer. As far as i know - Singapore does have one of the best standards of law. When i saw that anyone would in this day and age even complain about being served justice for committing a crime in this country, its safe to assume that individual has a very misplace sense of justice. In fact all flights to Singapore will remind you at least multiple times before landing that drug offense contains the penalty. And cheers to your statement.
From a country with a super-hard rule against drugs and smuggling drugs in and out of. We're grappling with cases of drug mules that are sentenced to death on the account that they're very poor, possess low-IQ, and/or were possibly manipulated to be drug smugglers. The Bali 9 seem far more well-off than our cases and they seriously had no business doing what they did, other than dirty greed.
No most of them were lowly paid catering employees.
Oh btw singapore has very strict law about drug
@@robihamdani5385 Same with Indonesia and Thailand
Mary Jane velso is really sad case what happened to her
@@lunity1111 MJV got pardoned and commuted to life in prison after its revealed some hours before execution that she's pregnant at that time due to her affair with a warden in her prison and Philippines police were working very fast to reveal the key syndicate members that force her to fly to Indonesia carrying a bag full with narcotics. Her pregnancy and the cooperation shown by Philippines police is more than enough to make Indonesian law automatically commute her sentence out from death penalty even its only few hours left before she were supposedly died.
2:00 - Simon, you said, “you don’t try your own product.”
We here in the US have a saying in drug dealing: “Don’t get high on your own supply.”
Death penalty warnings for drug trafficker written all over international entrance point in Indonesia, someone have to be blind or illiterate to missed it upon entering or else willing to take the risk.
Well it's a good thing they can't do it for being a ding dong or you would get it!🤡
Been to Bali.. And before you go to Bali you're told not to have any types of drugs. You land in Denpasar and there are warning signs everywhere. You have to be a complete idiot to buy or sell or even have dope on you there. When I was there an Australian girl was sentenced to 20 years for possession of a few spliffs. And entrapment is legal there so don't go looking for drugs because that's a prison sentence too.
Smugglers drugs in south asia is stupid 🧠
It wouldn't be entrapment if you approached someone anyway.
Or just don't go to barbaric nations at all....
@@gomahklawm4446 Sanctimonious drivel.
Well, how's the alcohol? I can do a 4 day vacay no prob if the alcohol is decent......and won't give me mudbutt.
According to my criminal motivations teacher who'd been involved in the case somehow, if the media had dropped the topic, the indonesians would have just quietly released the australians after a few months once everyone had forgotten about them. It's what they usually do and what they would've preferred, but with the spotlight on the case they can't look weak and corrupt to their own people sooooo off to the firing squad they go.
Suprisingly common thing around world.
Please ask your teacher to provide any actual examples of commercial, international heroin smugglers being "quietly released after a few months" by Indonesian authorities.
Hint - They won't be able to.
@@BatCaveOz there’s Mary Jane Veloso from the Philippines
@@yollie6804 uhh no she's still in prison, not going to be executed but still in prison.
I guess your teacher forget about the scale of the drugs that were involved.
Have you ever been to Indonesia? I have and at that time you couldn't walk out of an airport without seeing "drugs equals death!" Signs outside of airports in Bali and Jakarta. Had they gone to Vietnam or Thailand to get their drugs the results would be the same. I don't agree with the death penalty for smugglers but I do agree a country has a right to make and enforce its own laws. And everyone knew what the penalty could be so bashing Indonesia for carrying out the penalty they warn the world of is childish. Don't be a drug dealer or smuggler in Indonesia and you won't face a firing squad, pretty easy right!
be digital nomad instead! lol
Smuggling drug as a mule is indeed stupid, but it never deters the big fishes of the traffic who use the small ones to get arrested, and then everybody is happy : the big traffickers are safe (they have all the necessary political and financial connections for that) to keep going on with their business, and nobody put them under the light, so that the country does not lose its face, the government is happy to give an impression of law and order, Australia has some of its citizens killed to give the rest of their citizens an impression of law and order, and nothing ever changes.
Don't be a drug dealer or smuggler period. Just sell ice cream...
@@p4n23rTurkish Ice Cream based
Perfect example of people not caring about people unless their outcome affects them personally. Happens everyday, although in less extreme cases
Those idiots gambled high and lost. I can't feel sorry for them at all, they knew the risk.
It’s amazing how people commit crimes but don’t expect consequences
They definitely expected consequences and did not complain during the many years they were in prison . Death sentences destroy those left behind.
Don't be so quick judge. If you are in the United States, whether you are aware of it or not, you are a criminal yourself. And we are not talking about jay walking here either. You are a full-blown felon. I don't know what you did, but you did something.
@@danielduncan6806 is this a rant about too many laws? The difference is they knew what they were doing
True aye and some of the replies here is a one sided reply. Everyone who did that would get the same punishment. Stop acting like they didnt do anything. Rhey had 4m worth of drugs in each of em.
@@jenrutherford6690 If they were expecting consequences in a country where drug smugglers are executed then why would they do it? Also, complaining and making a fuss in prison in a place like that does nothing to help you get early release or better treatment.
every aussie knows the risks of Bali, this was all over the news just like chapelle corby too
Ah yes... Schapelle Corby. The one drug smuggler who, at one point, had a top-notch celebrity lawyer as her defense lawyer. After working with her for a while, he quit, citing personal reasons as drug smugglers aren't really his cup of tea, despite him being able to cut 5 years off her sentence on appeal.
If you play silly games, you win silly prizes. They knew exactly what they were getting into
If you don't want to be executed for drug smuggling maybe don't smuggle HEROIN into a country with severe punishments for said crime
As an Australian, the big issue for me, is not that these people were executed. The issue is that Australian Federal Police collaborated in getting them caught - in Indonesia.
I agree they should of been stopped or arrested in Australia
@@nickcoudounellis9668should HAVE, not should OF 🙄
@MissMariQueen thanks for correcting me. English wasn't exactly my best subject when I was at school.
@@MissMariQueen you may want to hold back on the bitchiness there; correcting someone is okay, as long as it's not done in a way you just did. English may not be someone's first language, so mistakes are unavoidable.
Bad luck,can't blame anybody but themselves
This is why you'll hear the announcement not to bring illegal drugs ever in every Indonesian airport. You will hear that announcement at least a hundred times every day.
It really shouldn't need to be an announced. Anyone with morals and common sense would know better. Anyone who doesn't know better has rightfully earned their Darwin Award.
I lived in Bali for 2+ years - it was made crystal clear that if you were caught smuggling narcotics , you were in SERIOUS trouble !!!!!!
What's very sad is one of their mums figured out what was going on. She reported it to the AFP prior to them leaving in the hope that the AFP would arrest them prior to leaving the country at the airport. Just imagine her grief being responsible for the death of her child.
Scott Rush is still alive. He's just imprisoned for life in Indonesia.
I get your point, but his mom is defenitly not responsible!
What could the AFP have done? Arrested them for not having any drugs on them? Then have to release them through lack of evidence.
@@darnstewart conspiracy to commit organised crime? idk, better than death
@@nteekens7411 how come? If I had knowledge that could end your life, I know that if I act, your life will be in danger one way or the other, I still act on this knowledge, knowing that you will go to prison or die trying, worst happens and you die some horrendous way. Are you seriously telling me that I get to live on happy as can be, clean conscious? No problemo?
As a Australian, I watched this drama unfold over a number of years, until the end. Some facts that were discarded, omitted , or just ignored by the Mainstream media. A) They were all carrying a Kilo of PURE Heroin B) The Ring Leaders admitted that they had done this before C) They knew the risks if they were caught D) They got caught
Now, no one ever put up the argument of how much 9KG of PURE heroin could be cut down to nor the street value. Not one media outlet or supporter mentioned how many lives ,families, people this would have destroyed, nor the outcome of the previous smuggling or how much this would have costed the community.
No one held a gun to their head, they all did this for profit. As the old saying goes " Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time"
What I find Ironic, laughable, yet disgusted is that the Mainstream Media, and supporters, blamed the outcome on the Federal Police Commissioner,( Mick Kealty) because he dropped the dime on the smugglers to Indon Police, instead of keeping quite, and letting them enter Australia
A KILO of cocaine
yeah, countries with severe issues resorting to drastic measures (to an extent) to solve them are not unreasonable in my opinion, even if giving the death penalty for drug smuggling is harsh
Mick was probably pissed off with the slap on the wrist sentences our left wing judges like to hand out. The ring leaders especially were scum. Good riddance.
Actually if we're upset and looking for someone to blame for the deaths then yes the AFP and the Australian government of the time are in part to blame for not negotiating their extradition to Australia or for having them arrested on the Australian side of the flight.
Note that I say "if" - I'm personally with you on the opinion that if you commit a crime with a severe sentence in the country you commit the crime in, then you take your risks knowingly.
@@phenix2403 you do understand how many people die because of this scourge, and how many families are torn apart? These bali 9 deserved it. Death for drug smuggling, especially hard drugs, should be the norm, NOT the exception
They knew what they were doing. Especially after the execution of Barlow and chambers, they were just that arrogant. They did the crime, they paid the price.
The look on the face of Martin Stephens, when he was busted, holding up his shirt to show the heroin strapped to his torso, is worth a lot more than 1000 words. He knows his life is over...
Pretty good summation of the story. One inaccuracy though - I don't recall any of the miscreants being students of any sort. Some of them were coworkers at a catering company and the temptation of making "quick and easy" money was too great.
Students of drug smuggling perhaps?
YES,GOOD OLD FASHIONED GREED AGAIN!
They didn't deserve execution for it. Watch the real documentary and you'll feel differently about them. After you actually see the execution you will feel differently
@@elena19-80 they weren’t concerned about ruining the lives of those that took the drugs. They’d done it before. They did it for profit. They can’t do it again. Execution is awful but so we’re they.
@@elena19-80 yes the trials took too long. How can they execute anyone after they have changed for the better?
I’ve not been to Indonesia, but flying into Singapore (with no drugs, well some ibuprofen) and being pulled for a customs search was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life. I made the mistake of dressing like a backpacker.
Police love planting drugs aswell
Yeah, Singapore is definitely a place where dressing like a backpacker, or a normal American, stands out.
what do you mean, mistake. What should you have dressed like? one of the killer clown posse?
@@golemtheory2218 just not a brewery t shirt, basketball shorts and sandals with a large backpack.
Asia as a whole as one does not tolerate any drugs hard or not and many our countries do implement the death penalty and yes we do not allow extradition it rarely ever happens so please do not ever ever try or think even if u see it while on your trip , I’m saying so as a Singaporean who happens to have over the 40+ years of my life countlessly travelled and extensively so in Asia love the sun and such hence . Also important to note do not even think that doing it back home and not bringing is ok cause you may not know this but Singapore law does allow to arrest and prosecute any individual foreign or local arriving and departing without drugs on hand but tested positive in them 👌 so don’t do it before and don’t do it when here , all else is fine it’s safe and you’ll enjoy your stay ! Have a good one .
Just a couple of points.
1) the low percentage of population that use drugs is mainly because Indonesia is the most populous Muslim nation on earth.
The biggest drug users here are the Christians ( mainly from Sumatra) that use cannabis.
2) living in Indonesia throughout the whole trial and execution, I quickly realized that it was the Western media ( mainly Australian) that made this a cause celebre.
The Indonesian media and the average Indonesian citizen, couldn't have cared less.
As an Australian who has been to south east Asia approx. 30 times I would never risk taking any drug inc. marijuana in Asia. Carrying 8 kgs of heroin is insanity. Two guys got executed in Malaysia in the 90s for one kilo.
Dude I love your channel, but no…. This is not an unfortunate tale.. these guys were dumb enough to smuggle drugs into a country with the death penalty for drugs… all Australians know Asian countries have death penalties for drug smugglers…
Well, again, they werne't the mules. The mules didn't get death. They were fucking kingpins. They were monsters. You get death. I mean, could Indonesia have said, "give us names in this country, we'll hand you over to Australia." Sure, the fuckers could've handed names and complied, but they showed zero remorse. A bunch of fucking big tough guys. Unfortunately, there are those who are higher than the king pins and unfortunately, ministers are behind it all. Drugs will forever be present. Nothing you can do.
Yep they were greedy and uncaring about the misery they cause
Honestly I would agree but he only did it so he can keep his job I don’t think he actually cared about stop drugs he had a literal execution goal
Agree totally. If they were smart enough to be university students, they should have been smart enough to check out the laws in Indonesia. Besides that, drug smuggling is illegal everywhere, no?
@@sparks1792 You shouldn't be worried about that, the laws of that country is that extreme, and it was long before they started smuggling heroin...so, they were aware of that law, and they decided to take the risk! They did it a couple of times, and then AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL POLICE inform Indonesia about everything!
So, let's use our brain, even though it's fuck*n hot like this...
The mother of Scott Rush got wind of the planned trip and reported her son to the Australian police in a bid to stop them. The Australian police, however, alerted the Indonesian police knowing that the sentences would be far greater there than in Australia.
Shell have to live with her stupidity for the rest of her life. Who trusts the police to be of the side of drug smugglers and why would you expect them to be? It's like she hasn't moved past year 3 , I cant deal with this level of studity
Dang
Shittt...that's rough .His mother is staying warm with that snitch jacket .ffs
HOW MANY other mothers' children did she save hey? If he was a Paedo would you call her a snitch? Hope you never have to close a Coffin on a child of yours dead from Heroin 🤬🤬🤬🤬
To be fair, they don't have the drugs yet, they might not have enough reason to justify detaining those 9 in Australia.
As another Aussie I have no sympathy for these people at all. If they got the drugs into Australia, many families would be destroyed, many people are die. They knew the risk, but wanted quick easy cash. I've lost a cousin to drugs, so it's hard for me to feel sorry for people who profit from this. Corby was all over the news and these people still thought it was a good idea?
People die and from meat and hamburgers evry day and people still love McDonalds..... dude sells one piece of bad crack and one person died, now the whole worlds are die him. why? why McDonalds get to live? they kill animals in large warehouses.
Your local drugdealer opperates so much more humane than ANY McDonalds, why we dont kill Ronald McDonald?
I feel you. No sympathy to drug smugglers and dealers.
@@skycloud4802 They do it for quick easy money but when they get caught they cry out for government help. No one I knew felt bad about the Bali 9. I like money, but I work hard for mine.
Easy moneys will come with high risks, they chose part to be, sure they are aware and well know some day if they get got it will pay with the on life.
I am so sorry 😔.
At the time a prominent Australian dance band told punters that if you supported the executions you should not buy their product or go to their concerts, they later retracted this as a sizeable majority of Australians had little to no sympathy for the nine, opinion polls at the time showed no support for the convicted. Interestingly the then Howard government went very quiet on the issue once the polls were released.
Who was the band?
@@gabriellefagan1014 From memory The Presets
You could drink alcohol and have non-marital sex(as long as you are not disrupting locals) in Bali. You really don't need to bring drugs here 😅.
@@vogel2499not everybody knows this. They got greedy. If you are a user and also a foreigner, you are fine, they let it slide. However if you are a dealer... you will get severe punishment.
I still don't know how I feel about this. A few years earlier we watched what happened to Chapelle Corby, EVERYONE in Australia knew about her and what had happened in Bali..... so why did these kids even consider risking it??
As for the death penalty, I don't agree with it, but it's not my country! Every country has different laws, as a tourist you are to obey said laws
Some people are in denial about getting caught, they convince themselves they will outsmart the authorities and some of them obviously do, others don't. If everyone stopped to think about the legal repercussions of a crime and rationalize the situation when they were about to commit the crime then we would live in a very low crime rate society. It's just a mistake some people make.
Yeah, but Chapelle Corby didn't know here boogie-board bag had 4.5kg of weed in it... 🤣
As Australians, you've surely heard of Charles Darwin. (After all, you have a city named after him.) I'm pretty sure his theory of natural selection more than adequately explains why these people did what they did, and also why we ought not interfere with the consequences of such poor decisions if we actually want to advance as a species.
There was no mention that one of the bali nine, renae lawrence, was released and is back in australia. She got 20 years but only served 12 due to good behavior.
The fact that Simon keeps pronouncing "Nguyen" as "NewGen" is hilarious to me.
It's not that far off actually
@@KS-PNW Only wildly off though. Which is fine, he's British, but let's not kid ourself. It's funny.
Only reason I know how to pronounce that name is because my college comp 2 teachers last name was Nguyen
@@KS-PNW what? It's way off lol
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It seems, from all the comments I've read and the general public opinion (both indonesian and international), that nobody really felt sorry or thought any wrong doing for the part of indonesian justice system or government. Therefore it seems that the only people who had interest in smearing the whole case were the big daddies of drug smuggling through their legal minions and media affiliates.
The earths citizens are fed up with drug pushers. Maybe we had more mercy in the 90’s but today everyone wants them dead but the sellers, and I guess the addicts but drug addict “opinions” are irrelevant
i'm Indonesian, i not even see any Indonesian name in this comment section :v
@@bobbyanggunawan3407 I am not talking only about comments but the general public opinion both indonesian and international. I personally believe that there isn't one country in the world that would have sympathy for those convicted by indonesian government.
@@ComboMuster yeah.. i was actually really shocked when I read the comment.. no one defending them :v
@@bobbyanggunawan3407 Why would you be shocked? They were made plenty aware of the LAWS of the country they were entering and the consequences for breaking those laws.
These laws were in place long before this event happened. I have tremendous sympathy for the families, but not so much for the perpetrators. Life imprisonment, or death, is a horrendous penalty, but then there would have been thousands of people who would have faced worse than this from the drugs themselves, if they had got through.
I have none. Their kids did this to them. Not the Indonesians.
Heart disease kills more people than anything every year. Anyone caught selling soda should be punished by death by your logic
@@popeyefreeze2541 Yes.
Always happy when a new video drops, thank you !
This was a case that did alot to harm Austyralian/Indonesian relations along with the Chappelle Corby one.
When you look at it with a cold and calulating mind it comes down to a simple point : A country can have any punishments it wishes for any crimes. It is upto the traveller to be aware of those punishments and crimes in the country they are going to. If they then decide that it is worth the risk to break the law in a country and they get caught it should not be surprising when they are suddenly acing the punishment that country has for that crime.
Then everyone says the home country government must FORCE the other country to make an exception or their citizens. This is not only unfair as why would we let another country tel us how to deal with anyone behaing in a similar way here and we wished to subject them to our local laws. Just because our punishments are not as harsh or our prisions are not in similar state to ones in other countries is no reason to allow other countries how to deal with criminals in our country and we should not be surprised when another country dont want us sticking our noses into their system in a similar way.
Also as Jess Sys states below if it had been allowed to die down in the press etc their would have likely been a quiet change in the sentances and they may have been quietly deported to Australia to complete the sentances as was Chappell Corby who was then released a few years after return to Australia.
This allowed both governments to say they had a victory Aussies for getting her home to serve her sentance the Indonesian government to say well we are no longer paying for her to stay here and she was convicted under our law.
When all is said and done the law in a country is theirs to make and inforce and stick any penality to it they wish, It is upto those visiting those countries to make sure they dont all foul of the local laws and risk these sort of punishments.
#SimonIsaCoward - Won't say anything to the Maternity Hospital bombing. BUT you can be Damn SURE he'll spend the next three years making money off it's 'War Horror Content'!!!
Oh the corby case would be a great one to see covered here.
you, sir, are an empathy-free a*****e. May you be punished for your treacherous attitude by being fitted up for a crime you didnt do by the corrupt police of the next country you decide to travel to. The death penalty is irreversible, unlike draconian life sentences, which can be repealed by subsequent mercies. My boss in Telecom used to be a squaddy (pommie commando) during the malayan insurgency in 1960. He not only witnessed many hundreds of summary jungle-clearing executions (not just shooting, beheading, boiling alive, snakepits, deliberate injury by a sharpened bamboo stick with faecal matter, then staked out to die from septicaemia over days, plus other methods too grotesque to even describe publicly (look it up, but be warned, you can't unread this stuff, I still have nightmares from my bosses true stories). These folk were guilty of nothing more than being members of legal trade unions (ie so-called communist "sympathisers". But my boss was allowed to plead medical exemption when the atrocities were beyond his mind's limit- the australian SAS soldiers could not, they were under orders to support US and Indonesian death squads by burning the evidence (piles of bodies rotting in the tropical heat) with flame throwers, or (allegedly) herds of special animals trained to eat human carrion en masse. They tried pigs first, but the pigs became so dangerous that a posse of 10 of these animals hunted and killed all the children in a red cross orphanage, and were only stopped from spreading further through the paddies by a river bursting its banks in a freak flood event. It was when they stocked an artificial lake (the 'lake of fire' Nirvana's Kurt Cobain sings about) with a dozen of the largest New Guinea salt water monster crocs, that my boss felt his mind going and under the shadow of night, deserted the British Army (a court martial sentenced him to death in absentia- remember it was 1960!) and entered Australia illegally using a fake South African identity. He was the best boss I ever had. Sometimes I heard him in his office lock the door from the inside and start to sob uncontrollably, then hit the desk with his fist and mutter words in bahasa including mati (death, I think).
@@golemtheory2218 TL;DR go cry elsewhere
I agree that you don't have the right to require another country to change its punishment however Widodo has challenged other countries re executing Indonesian nationals. So long as they are Muslim of course .
If the Australian govt had a problem with it, why did they tip off the Indonesian govt to start with knowing what the sentence would be? Why not arrest them in Australia?
Honestly? It's well known that some, if not all SEA countries have very strict laws on drugs. So if you go and try to smuggle drugs there, it's your own fault if you get the death sentence for it.
Around the same time some Iranians were caught smuggling huge amounts of Meth amp' into Indonesia , they were spared the death penalty , wonder why? it wouldn't be connected to religion would it ?
@@Elephantsss source?
@@Elephantssscry harder...all of punishment is applicable to everyone irrespective of their religion. Check what's the punishment given to Muslim when he commits a crime in Islamic country.
@@sathikdwh9999 yes these countries have inhuman and brutal punishments.
@@Elephantsss better live in a country where criminals are protected and drugs are available in all over the steeets.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Step up and recieve yours.
Does anyone remember the reporter asking a school child what lesson he got from this incident. His answer was :Don't go to Bali.
I guess the reporter was expecting them to say don't do/smuggle drugs :).
I personally won't go to any country with the death penalty regardless of what they have it for.
@@WLDB That includes certain states in the USA.
@@WLDB Then that mean you won't go anywhere
@@pixibelle3282 No, that includes the whole USA, as long as there is a Federal/Military death penalty.
@@Savantastic Last time I looked, all of the EU, the rest of Europe, the UK, Canada, most of South and Central America, South Africa and some surrounding countries, Australia, New Zealand, Papua- New Guinea and most of the Pacific countries had abolished such barbarism.
Good on Indonesia for enforcing their laws and not backing down. Way too often, western tourist get away with stuff locals or foreigners from non western countries would never get away with.
Yeah they sure disrupted that international drug ring by arresting and putting to death -the kingpins- some junkies that were tricked into a free trip and some petty cash.
Lmfao yay totalitarianism! The government should tell everyone what to do under the punishment of death 😎
Same thing in America. My city has over 100 stores run by Yemen immigrants that sell drugs. The cops simply allow it.
What do they get away with, any examples or was this said for effect
@@jamesgreen8573 yeah, I also wonder about that.
Absolutely no sympathy whatsoever.
These blokes knew the risks…
If they had been set up then ok, it’s harsh.
But they played the game, took the risk and won a stupid prize
Well to be completely fair, heroin has become far more dangerous ever since the move to using fentanyl rather than actual diacetylmorphine (chemical name for heroin). Fentanyl is some 50x more potent than heroin and it could be argued that the enforcement of heroin trafficking laws contributes to the use of fentanyl (intentionally or otherwise) by addicts.
They got what they deserved.
@@Sniperboy5551 So what?
@@Sniperboy5551 What's that got to do with the price of fish?
The fact is they knew what they were doing, they knew the punishment for the crime, it is well known what will happen to you and yet they still done it. No sympathy at all for them.
The executions of Barlow and Chambers for heroin smuggling in Malaysia in 1986 was more than well publicised in Australia when it happened. The danger posed smuggling drugs from South East Asian countries was common knowledge and anyone stupid enough to do this earns their punishment through there greed and stupidity.
That these guys were so bad our Feds found out should have been the key indicator to the problem. They would have only found out through their informants who were obviously working for a different criminal organisation, who most likely wanted them stopped. No surprises given the Australian drug scene at the time was half wannabees and half mafia/bikie groups, with many of the wannabees being within the legal chains who like the nose candy. This group were wannabees and were getting big enough to be noticed and that is why they got sold out.
They could have warned any of the minor players but, they could not arrest them before they left as they had not committed a crime and warning them could have led to other issues regarding their safety in country. As the feds knew they were committing a crime in Indonesia, they had to inform local authorities, or lose the chance for further cooperation by letting a criminal act occur on their soil and not informing them, so that was why they had to let it happen the way it did.
Finally, the drugs problems in Sydney at that time were escalating, and this arrest and the subsequent punishments were seen by many as a true deterrent for those thinking of being drug mules. Given the lack of others being executed and the worst offenders being caught with only weed, it has most likely had a serious impact on that form of drug smuggling.
the ABC made a docudrama which was broadcast on tv.to make sure everyone knew the risks
Every Australian living in Australia have all the opportunities to make good living, these Bali 9 are all adults, they make their own choices and they have to live by it
Anyone getting involved in any criminal activity really ought to be aware of the possible consequences. If they don't that just makes them even dumber.
I am 200% (and more) against any death penalty, anywhere, but if anyone wants to flirt with it in a country where it exists, they have no excuse when it bites them.
True but that doesn't excuse a punishment doesn't fit the crime
@@GrievousReborn Totally IYO, though, of course.
Many would argue that smuggled hard drugs kill more than plenty...............................
Agree completely. Stick your arm in a lions mouth, no one to blame but yourself if it gets bitten off.
@@GrievousReborn - The are a sovereign country and they dictate what punishment fits which crime. They have every right to do so. They got what they deserved.
@@GrievousReborn Punishment doesn't fit the crime? Are you just that deluded or?
Heroin ruins ENTIRE communities and kills countless people everyday. You can absolutely say the punishment fits the crime.
You don't have to like the laws of foreign countries but you do have to obey them if you go there. No sympathy for anyone who gets caught trafficking drugs that cause untold misery. You do the crime, you do the time.
I guess one point you missed was that the Indonesians had no idea about this. The AFP could have waited for them to land in Australia and arrested them there. But they decided to apprehend them in Bali, hence securing their fate. I find it ironic that the Australian government condemd the death penalty when it was exactly what they wanted.
Where is the fun then?
I have a golden rule. I will never visit a country where any sort of pharmaceutical or narcotic paraphernalia could land me being shot against a post, or jailed indefinitely.
If it was known that there was a death penalty for smuggling drugs in Indonesia and you went there to do that it is your problem. It is not the problem of your home country no matter your age.
Distributing those filthy amounts of herion is a terrible crime against humanity. I shed no tears for these people.
Don't be so against something you've never tried.
@@MrMr-ws3tv Don't be so for something that has devastated millions and millions of lives.
@@Cactusjugglertm I'd say a billion over the 200 year's it has been abused and used as a weapon. A gun can be used to hunt and to murder as heroin has similar properties for good and bad.
@@MrMr-ws3tv No..drug is very evil. There were cases sons killed their own mothers under influence. I have no sympathy for drug dealers.
@Brhdtn hdbfodns Heroin destroyed lives.
After losing several people I grew up with to Heroin OD, I lost any sympathy for those who trade and sell it.
As a former long term heroin addict I take responsibility for my own choices and some low level dealers making easy money don't deserve to be executed for it. I just can't support that.
@@gavinbrando8255 Well said! Say F**k NO to drugs!
@@gavinbrando8255 amen I'm with you on that statement, I'm a recovering heroin addict myself and have never once blamed drug dealers for my own choices
Perhaps that's why the Indonesians don't have drug trafficking suspects crawling out of the woodwork. I used to be a narc prosecutor in the US and we deal with drug smugglers every week. Drug smugglers have no fear and no exposure to prison here in California. Maybe they shoukd.
Is the crime of Heroin smuggling and execution for it equal? An interesting question with answers that vary between people. Many who objected to the executions say they do not. Yet, those who had family members die from the use of heroin say they do. But the real question here is the right of each country to make their own laws and to apply them to all who break the laws within their country without the interference of the politicians of another country.
@@adrianong33 Why smoke grass at all? Come to think of it, why get drunk? Better to be aware and enjoy life.
Back in the mod 1970s I was on the periphery of a lot of the drug scene in Sydney, as it was then. I didn't use but I knew many who did. I spoke with a few thousand people who used grass, speed, and other illicit substance - and in every case they told a tale of how someone else talked them into trying it and then buying for them as it helped pay for their habit which someone had talked them into starting on to help pay for their habit. While I did speak with some low level street sellers I never got anywhere near any of the dealers, so I don't know what their motivation was, other than money.
At the top levels the people selling illicit drugs are in it for the money it gets them, just the same as the legal substance sellers. However, there's bigger profits in the illegal drug market, which incentivizes people to find more users.
how about this question, if a person masterminds a bombing that kills 202 people in the heart of a countries biggest tourist destination should they be released after 10 years? because thats exactly the decision that the same Indonesian government who executed these two made when they released the bali bombings mastermind Abu Bakar Bashir.
@@pissiole5654 Baasyir should get life or at least 20 years, but he wasnt the mastermind of Bali bombing. He was more of a backer
The mastermind Amrozi and Imam Samudra were sentenced to death
No you should be allowed to sell and buy h as long as it is not cut with anything dangerous, doesn’t have fent or tranquillisers or any of that bs, and is of a standardised purity (so one can judge the strength properly). Prohibition is the problem.
@@pissiole5654also Abubakar has cancer and the government explicitly don’t want him to die in prison and become a martyr
I'm not 19, but I was some forty years ago. When one actually 'plans' a vacation for the purpose of procuring 'drugs' for the purpose of profiting on their investment, then that is a 'chance'/risk one takes consciously knowing full well the 'cost' beyond the 'investment'. To travel to a foreign country with the express purpose to scofflaw their laws is criminal in itself. To do it with the possibility to killing many more through accidental or purposeful overdoses is quite another. You get what you came for.
I was in Germany in the early 70s, serving in Mannheim at Taylor Barracks, one of 6 'barracks' in Mannheim. At the time we had over 283,000 American GI's (not including their dependent wives or children) in Europe. A large majority of these stationed there had been sent directly there from Vietnam; in hopes they would 'calm down' and 'come home clean' as the posted posters said. This was the time of the 'Cold War'. Our purpose was to 'slow the Warsaw Pact onslaught as they were expected to reach the Rhine in 48hrs once the proverbial balloon went up. We were merely 'bait' for the rest of our military to be deployed as part of NATO. Ours was a serious mission that required a whole lot of manpower and investment.
Noting the above, I was present and witnessed a couple of 'episodes' that involved 'drugs' and the typical American GI who hoped to gain a profit on his 'investment'. As I sat at my fourth-floor window of a previous SS Barracks, I was enjoying the late afternoon sun, when I heard the siren of a German Polizei as he passed our gate in hard pursuit of one of our company members who hurriedly parked below my window. The polizei pulled up, dismounted with submachineguns at the 'ready'. They forced open the trunk of this GI's car and pulled out two 35 US Gallon plastic bags of 'drugs'. Additionally, they pulled out 57 Kilos of Hashish. His 'procurement' and it's purpose was immediately 'obvious'. I saw him some years later in Wittlich as I had driven a commanding officer there to conduct a military courts martial on an unrelated (but drug involvement) episode. The company member form Mannheim had been sentenced to 57yrs in prison. The US Army never did conduct the courts martial on the party they went to Wittlich for, rather they gave all prosecutorial rights over to the German Government as that 'episode' member involved a German national. He too got 57hrs.
I've seen US service members on Active Duty, assigned overseas and have seen the terrible things that they've done among others where he was a 'guest'. From driving an M60 tank over cars parked on a street in Mannheim to going off a bridge and dying as it turned over and he couldn't open the 'hatch'. I've seen where in Mannheim a GI actually robbed people on a German Strassenbahn (trolley), as he held them at gunpoint! There is no end of 'bad behavior'.. But when one goes to another country for the express purpose of breaking (disrespecting) its laws for the purpose of selfish personal benefit at the cost of 'peace' of the nationals, then he/she deserves prosecution to the fullest!
57 years? Shouldn’t be possible under German criminal law. But otherwise interesting story. My father grew up in Bitburg near a US military base and knew many GI’s as a kid. Bitburg is in the border region to Luxemburg and people in his older siblings‘ social circle together with some GI’s were involved in drug smuggling too, allegedly. I heard some wild stories about that.
Can’t say that I have much sympathy for drug smugglers. Especially not the “break strict laws abroad and then expect to get out unharmed because you are a western tourist“ kind. Just respect local law when you travel! I am generally in favor of decriminalizing recreational drug use in some cases, and addicts should be helped, not put in prison. But people who make millions selling highly addictive illegal drugs to people who can’t really make rational decisions because of their addiction and will in many cases die as a result definitely deserve punishment. I oppose the death penalty without exception, but this case has so many problematic aspects that using it as an anti death penalty model case just doesn’t work.
@@p.s.224 Yeah I highly doubt it too, Germany doesn't hand multi decade sentences purely for drug smuggling. Perhaps the men had also been involved in other extremely serious but non-drug related offences, such as murder? That's the only way to receive a 57 year sentence in Germany.
Lol nice fanfic
They walked in eyes wide open , knowing Indonesia has a death sentence for trafficking .
If you wish to be an international criminal its best to do a cost-benefit analysis for each jurisdiction first , lest there be any nasty surprises. For example, in Nairobi if a crowd caught a mugger they could beat him to death and the police would see nothing wrong with that .
Lets not impose foreign values on countries that had been imposed upon by foreigners for far too long .
Actually they were given 72 hours notice before their executions. There was another controversy you failed to mention, the AFP could've waited until they landed in Australia before arresting them - therefore saving them from the death penalty and whole of life sentences.
When living in Aus for 10 yrs in my mid-late teens, Indonesia is a common place to visit and we all knew of the harsh laws there. It's the same as we all knew about Singapore, another common tourist destination for Aussies. This truly is a case of cultural ignorance coincided with corruption, inaction, and undoubtedly, political gain via harsh punishment. Unfortunately I don't think that this "relatively common occurrence" and media portrayal will change their policies all that much.
also a Qing Dynasty legacy, in how drugs could destroy your country
There’s no cultural ignorance though, they just rolled the dice knowing the punishment
@@yudistiraliem135 Love how ignorance can be justified.
@@Timmycoo Its not their first deadly rodeo anyway and they kept tried their luck for the second time even after they already know they would be totally doomed if their actions were got caught. They are playing with the fire since the beginning and one slight stroke of misfortune can lead them to a total doom
@@ignatiusryd2031 Thanks for the added info. And yeah totally agree with your last sentence.
You deal with drugs, smuggling or distributing, in Indonesia, in Malaysia and in Singapore...you get a free one way ticket to heaven....
Around the same time some Iranians were caught smuggling huge amounts of Meth amp' into Indonesia , they were spared the death penalty , wonder why? it wouldn't be connected to religion would it ?
Heaven?
More like Hell
I have to correct one thing you said at 9:33: they did actually get warning. They were given 72 hours notice on the evening of April 25, 2015. (In Australia, that’s a solemn war commemoration public holiday (ANZAC Day), so giving notice on that day was considered by some as an insult.)
not only that but the 100th anniversary, don't mess with Indonesia especially Aussies... they dont like you on a very deep level
100th ANZAC Day too
God bless our ANZACs 🇳🇿❤️🇦🇺
Sick and tired of people saying “their country, their rules” those executed may be foreigners but they are humans too and that’s the business of everyone including nations that doesn’t practice the death penalty. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Two things not mentioned:
If memory serves correct, the two executed were lieutenants in the organisation. You don't become that by rescuing kittens out of trees.
Also, there are deaths for every kilo of narcotics produced, so they already had blood on their hands.
Around the same time some Iranians were caught smuggling huge amounts of Meth amp' into Indonesia , they were spared the death penalty , wonder why? it wouldn't be connected to religion would it ?
On the whole, I am opposed to the death penalty but this is a very complicated case and there are many factors to consider. On paper, it might seem easy to judge someone, say a serial killer, as 'deserving' of the death penalty whereas a group of drug smuggling teenagers should not be subject to such harsh punishments as they did not take anyone's life. But, as other commenters have pointed out, the heroin they were smuggling has the potential to take many more lives than even the most active serial killer could even dream of. I also think that there is a level of arrogance at play amongst those who commit crimes in another country thinking that the system in their own more liberal-minded home nation will come to their aid and they will avoid the harsher punishments of the country where they committed the crime.
Of course, the punishment is not the only issue here and the fact that politicians are all too eager to play with human lives for their own benefit also needs to be considered. That said, anyone who claims they are surprised by this clearly isn't paying attention.
Thanks for pointing out the complexity
@@prapanthebachelorette6803 I'm sorry, but I'm not sure whether you are being sarcastic or not. I just replied with my own thoughts as they came to me but apologise if I appeared to be patronising or stating the obvious.🙂🤐
Hey Rachel 😁 no you dont come over patronising xxx
@@amandadonegan2137 Ah, it's a small world even in the realms of cyberspace. Good to find a friend of the collective and companera out here!
No, seriously, I think you pointed out the complexities really well. There are just so many problematic aspects here: death penalty in general is controversial. Like you I oppose it. National sovereignty and how far it should go and how much criticism of foreign legal systems is appropriate is another one. Western tourists‘ arrogance is yet another factor. Then: drugs! Should drug use be decriminalized? This is something I generally support. At least I think that people who suffer from addiction should be helped and not put in prison. But doesn’t that make me a hypocrite for still thinking that drug dealers deserve punishment? I agree with you that smuggling millions worth of dangerous, addictive illegal drugs might cause more deaths than most serial killings. Especially when those affected by addiction can’t really make rational decisions about their drug use, I totally don’t think selling drugs is in any way a minor offense.
This entire situation was the cheapest anti drug/smuggling ad campaign the Australian government has ever been involved with!
I’m fascinated that you describe Indonesia as “55,000 km of sun” etc. The earth’s circumference is only about 40,000 km.
I think it's the length of Indonesia's coastline
@@sagu-keju yes, almost certainly.
To be honest I always look at these things as 'you've made your bed' type of situations
When I was a kid I watched the movie "midnight Express"definitely left an impression on me that I never forgot.
They knew the rules of the game. They played the game. They lost the game. Dont see where ther problem is. Indonesia doesnt make any attempt to hide or mislead people regarding their laws. Dont like it, dont go and certainly dont mess with narcotics.
I had friends that went to school with many of these guys and to be honest they got what they deserved. As a parent, dealing with a child that may have been hooked on the drugs they brought into the country is a worse fate. No mercy to drug dealers!
Exactly, heroin kills people.
How were they in school?
What you completely fail to cover in your video is the extreme popularity of Indonesia’s tough drug laws among the native populous and the majority of foreign expats who call Indonesia, home. This local support is best illustrated by the response to then PM Tony Abbott’s request that Indonesia keep in mind his country's assistance following the 2004 tsunami and not move forward with the executions.
That local response is best illustrated by a grass roots and huge local movement called 'Koin untuk Australia' or #CoinForAustralia where local coins were collected for shipment back to Australia as payback for Australia’s generous assistance.
We respect Australia’s sovereignty and only ask the same from Australia.
Thanks to the new format of BrainBlaze these are the only videos we have that proves our Fact Boy still has legs
This one's definitely a tricky one. There has to be harsh punishments for people in the drugs trade simply due to the harm it has but politics come along and make it a nightmare
Around the same time some Iranians were caught smuggling huge amounts of Meth amp' into Indonesia , they were spared the death penalty , wonder why? it wouldn't be connected to religion would it ?
One of the Bali Nine was an 18 year old. Literally just a boy, he was sentenced to life in prison, to Literally die in there while some of the others got out after 12 years. This young lad is 33 now. And still in there. You do stupid stuff when you're a kid, Australia should be pressuring Indonesia to let him go free, it's been 15 years and like I said he was convicted on a first ever drug offence of his life at 18 bloody years old. He's completely changed man and suffered enough. Offered bribes to get out after only 1 year sentence but couldn't afford it. Does that sound like justice to you? Dirty system
I wish more countries would adapt this posture in dealing with drug crimes. The destruction on others and society is truly herendous
Im from Malaysia. Hanging traffickers is as akin to bussing the homeless to California.
It looks like its an effective deterence from the outside.
In a world where appearance matters the most and most cant see past appearance the death penalty continues to receive popular support while drugs are increasingly prevalant through out the country.
@@theallseeingeye9388drugs is least prevelent in south east asia compare to the rest of the world
Well, you smuggle drugs into other country. I am sorry, i am with indonesia in this
Same
Stupid yes, harsh punishment, definitely. And if the controversies were true including the bribing Indonesia was definitely in the wrong. And i fully believe the bribing to be true, have even experienced it myself, although not as severe ofcourse.
An eye for an eye does not mean you must give equal punishment for a crime. It's a limiting rule. It means you may not give more punishment than the crime. e.g. two eyes for one eye.
Yes. A concept totally foreign to most of the law-and-order psuedoChristian types out there. It's not an exhortation to harsh punishment, but a statement on proportionality. With room for compassion and forgiveness.
@@josephledux8598 It’s supposed to be. But that second part-the limitations & room for compassion & forgiveness part-is, disgustingly enough, conveniently forgotten. By those who loudly claim to know the source material best.
Breaks my heart and my faith in humanity.
@@jessicadangerfield1539 I can't speak for other countries or societies, but if I got to vote for it in the USA I'd abolish the death penalty in a heartbeat. It's the morally correct position and you don't even need to get into whether some crimes and criminals deserve it. All you have to consider is that there's no coming back from it. Once done, that's it. And only a blithering fool would think that innocent people haven't been executed. Probably a great many of them. And that alone is all you need to justify getting rid of capital punishment as the morally correct thing to do. I've had long experience with the criminal justice system in this country both as a police officer and as a legal professional, among other things. And there's not a doubt in my mind that innocent people are on death row right now. And always have been, some of whom have undoubtedly taken that final walk. THAT is an evil so terrible, so repugnant that it's worse than anything that any criminal has ever done no matter how vicious or depraved. Why? Because when the state kills innocent people it's always a bigger crime than some individual doing it. Anyway, that's my rant.
@@josephledux8598 Totally understand & feel the same :)
Despite the long-standing and well-recognized death penalty for drug trafficing in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia there are yet many and, yes, that includes a host of Australian men and women, who blithely ignore so, thinking they'll somehow go on by. The record shows otherwise and they are executed.
honestly i think those who do this are thrill seekers, they need that excitement, danger and adrenaline rush.... just like the ones that climb the Mount Everest knowing full well they could be on their last journey.
@@Plutomoon79 No, they have shown themselves again and again stupid to the reality.