The Irish stock had a few unique bits about them. None of CIE/Irish Rail’s locos at the time had HEP/ETH so generator coaches were standard. Four are still in use on the Dublin to Belfast Enterprise train. There was also a DVT with an underfloor generator, of a different design to the BR versions. It was restricted to 70 mph as it was built with the bogies from a commuter EMU! They were definitely my favourite coaches here, nothing modern even comes close.
Class 442 as Mark 3 multiple unit version without the need of centralized traction, should have been produced in larger scale along diesel and electric AC variants to help TOCs cope with overcrouding problems on their long distance diagrams in my opinion, as class 158 express sprinter , 175s and 180 among others are not quite the same. Just my opinion. Thak you for sharing another interesting video.
There's a thing, the mark 3 coach was developed as part of the HST project and the mark 4 came from the APT-P (built in Acrington) unless of course , I've got it wrong !
And the Mk3 sleepers were also used in Denmark for a while. All were return around the turn of the century with some being scrapped and others being preserved.
You're spot on Neil - one of my (small) claims to fame is that I travelled in one as a child in Denmark. A novel experience I'll always remember - Dave
Really miss the Mark 3s on the great eastern main line to Norwich. Travelling on those new Stadler units.. as much character as a washer/dryer and hard, upright seats too.
Sorry, as a standard class passenger I can’t agree with anyone who sees these as an improvement on what went before. Mark 3’s were the first coaches in which the bean counters broke the standard TSO format of all seats being fully aligned with windows just so a few more seats could be stuffed into the all purpose body shell. In standard class anyway, of course first class could continue to enjoy uninterrupted views. It’s all been downhill since then. Post 1980 EMU and DMU stock, Mark 3 refurbishments and post Mark 3 stock especially after privatisation? Your chances of getting a table bay which both lines up with the windows on your side of the coach and ditto on the opposite side of the aisle are tiny. More likely you get a bus style seat (presume they call them “airline” seats to pretend they’re better than they are) hard up against a window pillar on your side and a set of seat backs in your line of sight across the aisle. Maybe not an issue on a local train in the West Midlands but the “go anywhere” philosophy of train design means that this sort of nonsense is imposed on passengers using trains in the more scenic parts of the UK. Oh and don’t forget the useful luggage space between Mark 2 TSO seat backs next time you have to clamber over luggage stacked in the vestibule of one of today’s coaches (incl refurbished Mark 3s) because the pokey little luggage stackers are overflowing.
The BREL International was OK, and derived from the Mark 3. The class 180 has similarities to the International with aligned bays. Possibly the same design team.
an absoultley brilliant video from yourself dave and i found this video very helpful as so far i have 3 sets of mk3s in virgin gwr green castle set which you helped me get and alos the iconic intercity livery i will not be stopping there i will be getting the arriva cross country set and also network rail. i also have books on the hst and mk3 coaches and i would highly recommend any mk3 and hst modler to get some books and read up on them. many thanks as always for a brill video peter from birmingham
I think that Hornby should produce their older version of the mk3 with the slamming doors and the correct length in the railroad range in the blue and grey into city livery to go with their blue and grey intercity liveried 125.
It may be something we see in the future, Daniel, but we regularly have Hornby and Lima Mk3 coaches feature on our pre-owned listings if you're looking for a bargain.
I was going to mention the problem of the self opening doors ! I seem to remember that it was reported as occurring within a geographic triangle (south of Manchester) but that's about all I can remember ! I have a promotional booklet published by BR for the introduction of the HST which also went into the details of the 'mark 3'. It was given to me by the BR publicity dept. on my eleventh birthday whilst I was being shown around the (as was) brand new merseyrail loop and link lines as well as a visit to the main signal box at Lime Street station, Liverpool. I enjoyed the day a lot and I also went to "Lucas Hobbies" and received a Hornby green DMU (which I still have) as my birthday present, though looking back, I am ever so glad that the day didn't involve a certain Mr Saville who was the 'face' of intercity at the time.
@@OldSonyMan thankyou someone else remembers it I posted the same comment on another channel and received hoots of derision and cries of fake news I couldn't find any trace except a Wikipedia entry saying "after several fatal falls" the doors were upgraded....I saw a world in action or similar about it but can't find any trace...I'd put it down to the Mandela effect! Thankyou! Best wishes and take care
The Mk3 is an awesome coach, I loved leaning out of the window behind a HST power car hearing their Valentas and also the powerhouse Class 87s.
The Irish stock had a few unique bits about them. None of CIE/Irish Rail’s locos at the time had HEP/ETH so generator coaches were standard. Four are still in use on the Dublin to Belfast Enterprise train. There was also a DVT with an underfloor generator, of a different design to the BR versions. It was restricted to 70 mph as it was built with the bogies from a commuter EMU! They were definitely my favourite coaches here, nothing modern even comes close.
Class 442 as Mark 3 multiple unit version without the need of centralized traction, should have been produced in larger scale along diesel and electric AC variants to help TOCs cope with overcrouding problems on their long distance diagrams in my opinion, as class 158 express sprinter , 175s and 180 among others are not quite the same. Just my opinion. Thak you for sharing another interesting video.
Mark 3s are way more comfortable for cross-country than any other train I've been on in the UK. Sucks they're gone now. :/
Great video. Some excellent information
There's a thing, the mark 3 coach was developed as part of the HST project and the mark 4 came from the APT-P (built in Acrington) unless of course , I've got it wrong !
And the Mk3 sleepers were also used in Denmark for a while. All were return around the turn of the century with some being scrapped and others being preserved.
You're spot on Neil - one of my (small) claims to fame is that I travelled in one as a child in Denmark. A novel experience I'll always remember - Dave
Really miss the Mark 3s on the great eastern main line to Norwich. Travelling on those new Stadler units.. as much character as a washer/dryer and hard, upright seats too.
The best thing about Mk3 carriages is that you can be in a door, and open the window and lean out like a dog at 125 MPH.
The good old days!
An excellent presentation and enjoyable to listen to. You know your onions. 🤓
Thanks Pat, glad you enjoyed the show.
Great video as usually Dave always learn something from them.👍
Thanks Richard, glad you enjoyed the show.
Sorry, as a standard class passenger I can’t agree with anyone who sees these as an improvement on what went before.
Mark 3’s were the first coaches in which the bean counters broke the standard TSO format of all seats being fully aligned with windows just so a few more seats could be stuffed into the all purpose body shell. In standard class anyway, of course first class could continue to enjoy uninterrupted views.
It’s all been downhill since then. Post 1980 EMU and DMU stock, Mark 3 refurbishments and post Mark 3 stock especially after privatisation? Your chances of getting a table bay which both lines up with the windows on your side of the coach and ditto on the opposite side of the aisle are tiny. More likely you get a bus style seat (presume they call them “airline” seats to pretend they’re better than they are) hard up against a window pillar on your side and a set of seat backs in your line of sight across the aisle. Maybe not an issue on a local train in the West Midlands but the “go anywhere” philosophy of train design means that this sort of nonsense is imposed on passengers using trains in the more scenic parts of the UK.
Oh and don’t forget the useful luggage space between Mark 2 TSO seat backs next time you have to clamber over luggage stacked in the vestibule of one of today’s coaches (incl refurbished Mark 3s) because the pokey little luggage stackers are overflowing.
The BREL International was OK, and derived from the Mark 3. The class 180 has similarities to the International with aligned bays. Possibly the same design team.
well i learned something new about the mark 3s enjoyed that video dave hope to learn more about our british railways past present and future :D
Thanks Jon, keep an eye on our channel for more videos like this.
an absoultley brilliant video from yourself dave and i found this video very helpful as so far i have 3 sets of mk3s in virgin gwr green castle set which you helped me get and alos the iconic intercity livery i will not be stopping there i will be getting the arriva cross country set and also network rail.
i also have books on the hst and mk3 coaches and i would highly recommend any mk3 and hst modler to get some books and read up on them.
many thanks as always for a brill video
peter from birmingham
Thanks Peter (and sorry for calling you 'Chelmswood'! :-) )
Its fine dave at the end of the day its my youtube and layout name.
Peter
The Mk3 Pullmans look a winner if someone will produce it.
Lima produced the Mk3 pullmans in OO scale but we may see them again on some of the newer Oxford Rail or Hornby coaches in the future.
I think that Hornby should produce their older version of the mk3 with the slamming doors and the correct length in the railroad range in the blue and grey into city livery to go with their blue and grey intercity liveried 125.
It may be something we see in the future, Daniel, but we regularly have Hornby and Lima Mk3 coaches feature on our pre-owned listings if you're looking for a bargain.
Oh yes, those brakes on the Mk3s. You could smell them when the train braked hard.
The Irish didn't like the large swing doors and so opted for sliding doors.
The Mk. 3 carriages are nice, but I'm sticking to Mk. 1s which are my favourite type.
Hi Kelly, the Mark 3 may be a little bit too modern for your collection but its still an excellent vehicle in real life or model form.
Where has the video gone?
Hi Les, the video is still available here: ruclips.net/video/Vee0yEPs-lk/видео.html
Could do with a generator car for Electrica
It may be something we see in the future, although they're very rarely seen on the UK railway network.
MK3 carriages are the best
Why does nobody ever mention the fatal flaw in the doors that killed several people resulting in the self locking doors with the amber lights?
I was going to mention the problem of the self opening doors !
I seem to remember that it was reported as occurring within a geographic triangle (south of Manchester) but that's about all I can remember !
I have a promotional booklet published by BR for the introduction of the HST which also went into the details of the 'mark 3'.
It was given to me by the BR publicity dept. on my eleventh birthday whilst I was being shown around the (as was) brand new merseyrail loop and link lines as well as a visit to the main signal box at Lime Street station, Liverpool.
I enjoyed the day a lot and I also went to "Lucas Hobbies" and received a Hornby green DMU (which I still have) as my birthday present, though looking back, I am ever so glad that the day didn't involve a certain Mr Saville who was the 'face' of intercity at the time.
@@OldSonyMan thankyou someone else remembers it I posted the same comment on another channel and received hoots of derision and cries of fake news I couldn't find any trace except a Wikipedia entry saying "after several fatal falls" the doors were upgraded....I saw a world in action or similar about it but can't find any trace...I'd put it down to the Mandela effect! Thankyou! Best wishes and take care