In Marvel Comics' "Civil War II" storyline from 2016, Doom even became the new Iron Man for a time after Tony Stark was left in a comatose state Doctor Doom variant will become the new iron man
It’s cutting it close considering Sonys deal with marvel is they have to produce a spiderman movie every 5 years and 2 months until the contract is pulled
Yes I agree 5 years way too freaking long in between sequels , that's ridiculous 🙄 that's I agree with everyone else that Sony should let the Spider-Man rights go but no way hell they will do it
What’s frustrating is that if Sony didn’t sit on their ass for 3 years, they could have released SM4 this Christmas 2024. Then we all would have gotten a street-level Spidey film that doesn’t have to be squeezed into the next two Avengers films and fit their multiversal narrative. 🎥
I would loved to see Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four team up to fight Dr. Victor Von Doom and they can be close friends just like they did in the Marvel Comics. I wish we can see Spider-Man team up with the Fantastic Four and be friends with them
7:50 there’s going to be a mutant saga after the multiverse saga ends so wolverine will return for deadpool and wolverine 2 and other marvel projects to come in the future like a xmen movie or wolverine vs hulk movie
If they can actually fit Molecule Man in this mess, then that's just awesome. I mean the Russos including him wouldn't be a surprise, but him fitting in with all of what happened. The Kang thing, the Loki thing, Doom's sudden ruse of power, incursions, etc, is a truly complicated process and if there's anyone who can pull it off, it's the Russo Bros!!
The thing about comic accurate Dr Doom is that he wears the iron mask to hide his hideously disfigured face. It would be great if Marvel Studios went that route and kept Downey's face covered all the time. But considering they cast Downey they probably want to have his unaltered face onscreen as much as possible
I think the secret character is Iron Lad, because Ms. Marvel is starting the Young Avengers, he is a Kang variant (the whole Kang mess needs to be addressed), and he is related to the Fantastic Four. All of those points fit with Doomsday and Secret Wars, since the whole multiverse thing started with Kang and the Young Avengers and Fantastic Four 'should' be in both Avengers films...
It’s still possible that it is true that Viktor Von Doom is a Tony Stark variant just like how Sylvie is a Loki variant and Viktor Timely was a Kang the Conquerer/ He Who Remains variant They don’t have to have the same character names in order to be a variant
I always assumed if they wanted to use the Maker they would just get Miles Teller to come back since he was literally playing Reed based on the Ultimate universe. It would be a really cool redemption for him in the role and Miles is a great actor.
I read the original secret wars comic in the early 90s and it was really straightforward i thought, and about 2 years ago I started reading the one from 2016 and I just couldn't follow it for some reason is it just me or did anyone else think that?
Somehow I missed letting my gf know that the MCU will be doing a soft reboot and when I told her it was, in part, an opportunity to recast Iron Man and Captain America, etc, she said, "Or course." Sadly the one strong down side of live action versions of these characters is that the actors/actresses get older while the characters don't at least to the same level.
There’s something really cool about Doom and Molecule Man’s relationship in the comics. Like, Molecule Man has low self esteem, but is maybe the most OP of OP characters. He can rewrite reality at a molecular level! Doom sorta plays on his insecurities and it’s all just fascinating. I know the movies don’t heavily pull straight from the comics, but Secret Wars really just hinges upon Molecule Man’s contributions. I could just see him being the new Happy Hogan moving forward because let’s face it, Robert Downey Jr. always plays well off of other strong characters and he’s going to need new Peter Parker’s and new Happy Hogan’s and Roadies.
For Doom... I'm hoping they address his looks. I just don't want them to address it immediately. Have the Avengers be like "WTF" and try to figure it out.
The question I have is that will Robert Downey Junior have to gain weight to play the role because at his age and his recent pictures he doesn't look very healthy to be honest he has aged very fast during the last ten years and now he is almost 60. And from what I know victor von doom is a large man isn't he? And i hope we get a cameo of steve rogers as captain America and possibly tony stark's iron man.
Using Molecule Man would seem to indicate that Wanda would not have much of a role. WandaVision hinted at Wanda being the anchor being. Rumors suggest that is not true. If Doom interacts with Molecule Man then there is no place for Wanda there. The Molecule Man story is too unwieldy to use in these movies. The whole cheeseburger thing was idiotic.
Doom probably stole the Beyonder's powers and Doom was so sadistic he transformed himself into Tony Stark to mentally screw with Peter and it'll give him the aggression he needs to wear the black suit
Right now, Marvel doesn't have Captain America or Iron Man, so spider-man should be the main character. I think that secret character could be molecule man, or if i was gonna go out on a limb, i would also say a new Iron Man. Favorite Hero: Batman
If they were going to use The Maker, I would imagine they would get any of the other Reeds(Miles Teller, Ioan Gruffudd, Jon Krasinky, Alex Hyde -White)
Deadpool and Wolverine will probably show up again in Secret Wars and would be a massively missed opportunity if they didn’t show up in the mutant saga. Wolverine needs to be reunited with the mutants again
A good tittle would be Spider-Man: M M can stand for the house m type storyline they might do with the movie coming out after Doomsday and M can also stand for multiverse since it’s basically a multiverse story.
Avengers Doomsday is gonna overlap with the Christopher Nolan film, filming. Not Spider-Man 4. SM4 and Doomsday were gonna overlap before they pushed SM4.
I blame Sony for delaying Tom Holland's Spider-Man 4. They always ruin everything. And if it's true about the plot rumor, I might like it. But I still have my great plot theories for Tom Holland's Spider-Man 4, 5 and 6 if anyone is interested. And the secret cameo should be Maker. It would make more sense and it definitely shouldn't be Miles Morales, especially from the pathetic Spider-verse movies. And I bet which Thunderbolts will die is Red Guardian, "Taskmaster" ans Ghost or US Agent. And I have a theory for which teams should be in the next Avengers movies if anyone is interested. Can't wait and love the MCU!!!
it would be freaking AWESOME if RDJ was not the Victor Von Doom variant but Tony Stark variant & kept secret until movie releases & actual Victor Von Doom shows up & gets rid of RDJ variant (with Scarlet Witch actual with Victor & not RDJ) & this all kept under wraps until release day!!! BOOM
Because they've already established him as a variant of Reed Richards. Have John Krasinski play the Maker. Which would be perfect. He plays another variant of Reed and its a one a done film
Open the movie with Doctor Doom killing a very powerful character. I can't wait to see his costume and mask when they get it all together, and when we finally get a trailer. I will be hyped. It's gonna break the internet
Sub for yrs. 1st comment. Thank you for dropping Stellar content!!Sam's no match for RH. But his Vibranium suit also absorbs and projects kinetic energy would make it interesting for a minute
I mean it kind of makes sense that we’re in the Multiverse saga and variants are in the Multiverse saga like how we saw with Loki, Deadpool and Wolverine So having Robert Downey Jr. play a Tony Stark variant would makes sense.
I haven’t kept up on Doom news, but I just assumed we never see his face b/c of the mask, & we get his acting/altered voice instead. But maybe I missed some news that says we see his face
Based on amazing make-ups like the penguin, and the ghoul in fallout etc….plus dr. Doom generally being super deformed, combined with RDJ’s acting, maybe they aren’t going to pull the Tony stark variant stuff at all, and just cover him in makeup and be victor
People keep wanting Doom to be a corrupt Iron Man Variant! Marvel has already confirmed that Iron Man is dead in the Sacred Timeline and his death won't be undone. This is Victor Von Doom! He may have Stark's face or an accent. And I doubt his face will be shown a lot because Doom has an accident that scars his face.
The trick to DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE 2 is that regardless of what they clown 🤡 on in the next one, they need to do it soon enough to include Stewart, McKellan Grammer, Downey ECT IMHO
And once again, Warren, I don’t know why you still think he’s gonna play it Tony Stark variant when it clearly says on IMDb he’s gonna be playing Victor Von Dom
Would you rather see: Peter Parker take Doom's side because he misses Tony soo much Or The Fantastic Four meet a Tony Stark variant in an Avengers movie and are abhorrent to work with him. Thinking that this is all a trick, that Doom has brainwashed the rest of the Avengers
Marvel Updates released an update that we’re going to get Spider-Man 4: Brand New Day (heavily rumored title) to be released in theaters July 24, 2026. Timothy Olyphant - Molecule Man Johnny Depp - The Beyonder Madelyn Cline - Gwen Stacy/Ghost-Spider Sydney Sweeney - Felicia Hardy/Black Cat Timothée Chalemet - Harry Osborn/New Goblin Caleb McLaughlin - Miles Morales/Spider-Spin This is Great Casting and the fit the part.
@PhilipKNguyen that's a possibility. I didn't even think of that obvious solution. I was thinking that the von Doom family adopts Tony as a baby and name him Victor. Something like that. You can cook up an entire narrative around that; maybe the von Dooms couldn't have children. Or maybe during his playboy days Howard got one of his girlfriends pregnant. She has the baby and the von Dooms adopt the child. There are ways to do it.
@PhilipKNguyen or let's say the von Dooms are Sokovian nobility from a region called Lateria. They adopt the Stark child. After Ulton destroys a large portion of the capital, von Doom forms the breakaway nation of Latveria of which he is absolute monarch. All of this would have to take platin a different universe/timeline of course. Let's just say this all has to happen in the new Fantastic Four universe if Downoom is in that movie.
Dr doom kidnaps Franklin Richard’s to use his powers to create battleworld Franklin is also on dooms side until the heroes rescue him and change his mind and he helps fix the multiverse
Please tom Holland, make it so Sony can't start until October, then Sony will lose the rights to spidey! Just push back your schedule 4 weeks man, 4 weeks 😅
If the MCU makes Dr.Doom a variant of Tony Stark then, that just "BS". Dr.Doom is the greatest villain ever created within Marvel Comics, and he does NOT need to ge a variant of any other Marvel character. We have waited long enough for Doom to make his MCU appearance, so do him Right or don't bring him to our screens at all.
In Marvel Comics' "Civil War II" storyline from 2016, Doom even became the new Iron Man for a time after Tony Stark was left in a comatose state
Doctor Doom variant will become the new iron man
I'm curious to see how Dr Doom plays out.
The fact Doom throws a container full of molecule men at the beyonders is hilarious 😂
I thought i was the only one lmao
He should've put it in the form of an airfresher.
I just hope we get good writing
nobody is gonna care about good writing when you have doctor doom slaughtering people throughout the film
@ shit be trash
Christmas 2026 is crazy cos that’s like 5 years from no way home
It’s cutting it close considering Sonys deal with marvel is they have to produce a spiderman movie every 5 years and 2 months until the contract is pulled
Yes I agree 5 years way too freaking long in between sequels , that's ridiculous 🙄 that's I agree with everyone else that Sony should let the Spider-Man rights go but no way hell they will do it
@@jermaine8573 they’re never gonna let the rights go because they get a ton of money
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What’s frustrating is that if Sony didn’t sit on their ass for 3 years, they could have released SM4 this Christmas 2024.
Then we all would have gotten a street-level Spidey film that doesn’t have to be squeezed into the next two Avengers films and fit their multiversal narrative. 🎥
So I guess this means those rumors of Sony losing the spider man rights are true after all
I can't wait to see Peter's reaction when he finally sees Dr. Doom and he looks like Tony Stark.
I would loved to see Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four team up to fight Dr. Victor Von Doom and they can be close friends just like they did in the Marvel Comics. I wish we can see Spider-Man team up with the Fantastic Four and be friends with them
Miles Teller as The Maker plz
Another theory I heard from Josh @The Den of Nerds is that 616 Tony was never Tony and was a variant of Victor. Now, that would be an amazing twist.
I loved that video. He just freestyles most of his ideas, but he did have some cool ones, especially in that vid.
I kinda hate that idea tbh. It would be too much jumping through hoops and unnecessary background exposition that just doesn’t make sense.
I hope we get God Emperor Doom.
Probably in secret wars
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miles teller should be the maker then he can redeem his portrayal of reed
I completely agree 💯
Tom Holland was very good in the crowded room on apple TV
The working title for Doomsday is “For All Time Always” and the working title for Secret Wars is “Royale”
No, have Miles Tellers play as the Maker in the MCU, While Pedro Pascal can be Reed Richards. Miles is perfect for the role of the Maker.
7:50 there’s going to be a mutant saga after the multiverse saga ends so wolverine will return for deadpool and wolverine 2 and other marvel projects to come in the future like a xmen movie or wolverine vs hulk movie
If they can actually fit Molecule Man in this mess, then that's just awesome. I mean the Russos including him wouldn't be a surprise, but him fitting in with all of what happened. The Kang thing, the Loki thing, Doom's sudden ruse of power, incursions, etc, is a truly complicated process and if there's anyone who can pull it off, it's the Russo Bros!!
The thing about comic accurate Dr Doom is that he wears the iron mask to hide his hideously disfigured face. It would be great if Marvel Studios went that route and kept Downey's face covered all the time. But considering they cast Downey they probably want to have his unaltered face onscreen as much as possible
If they bring the maker in it should 100% be Ian Grufford the first fox Mr Fantastic🔥🙌
He is not iron man he is dr doom
Were not sure, I think he's gonna be a tony stark that somehow turned into doom
@ he’s a doom variant if anything, not a tony stark variant
I think the secret character is Iron Lad, because Ms. Marvel is starting the Young Avengers, he is a Kang variant (the whole Kang mess needs to be addressed), and he is related to the Fantastic Four. All of those points fit with Doomsday and Secret Wars, since the whole multiverse thing started with Kang and the Young Avengers and Fantastic Four 'should' be in both Avengers films...
I can’t wait for spider-man 4 and avengers doomsday
It’s still possible that it is true that Viktor Von Doom is a Tony Stark variant just like how Sylvie is a Loki variant and Viktor Timely was a Kang the Conquerer/ He Who Remains variant
They don’t have to have the same character names in order to be a variant
The Thorman from my own universe returns to mcu in spiderman 4 as a side character
One of the reasons for the huge year gap between sequels recently is to have less movies meaning there’s gonna be more shooting time and hype.
I mean it makes sense for it being the multiverse saga and I'm just sour over Kang but i love RDJ just not big on Doom
No, id imagine theyd cast Miles Tellar as the Maker.
They are doing Counsel of Reeds, so there will be a few of the Reed actors.
Can't wait man
Theory time: Mr. Paradox becomes Molecule Man
None of this matters if the powers are nerfed
Z lot of moving pieces here hopefully as filming begins we get an idea of some characters and their impact on the mcu
I’m hoping Vic just took over Tony’s body from a different universe. It’s the best explanation that makes sense.
I always assumed if they wanted to use the Maker they would just get Miles Teller to come back since he was literally playing Reed based on the Ultimate universe. It would be a really cool redemption for him in the role and Miles is a great actor.
brand new spider boy in the mcu in 2025 today now yes are no 😍😍😍😍😍😍
I read the original secret wars comic in the early 90s and it was really straightforward i thought, and about 2 years ago I started reading the one from 2016 and I just couldn't follow it for some reason is it just me or did anyone else think that?
Hickman be like that. But genius.
Somehow I missed letting my gf know that the MCU will be doing a soft reboot and when I told her it was, in part, an opportunity to recast Iron Man and Captain America, etc, she said, "Or course." Sadly the one strong down side of live action versions of these characters is that the actors/actresses get older while the characters don't at least to the same level.
There’s something really cool about Doom and Molecule Man’s relationship in the comics. Like, Molecule Man has low self esteem, but is maybe the most OP of OP characters. He can rewrite reality at a molecular level!
Doom sorta plays on his insecurities and it’s all just fascinating. I know the movies don’t heavily pull straight from the comics, but Secret Wars really just hinges upon Molecule Man’s contributions.
I could just see him being the new Happy Hogan moving forward because let’s face it, Robert Downey Jr. always plays well off of other strong characters and he’s going to need new Peter Parker’s and new Happy Hogan’s and Roadies.
brand new spider girl in the mcu in 2025 today now yes are no 😍😍😍😍😍
For Doom... I'm hoping they address his looks. I just don't want them to address it immediately. Have the Avengers be like "WTF" and try to figure it out.
Deadpool and wolverine 2nd one won’t be until 2029 at least
Awesome
The question I have is that will Robert Downey Junior have to gain weight to play the role because at his age and his recent pictures he doesn't look very healthy to be honest he has aged very fast during the last ten years and now he is almost 60. And from what I know victor von doom is a large man isn't he? And i hope we get a cameo of steve rogers as captain America and possibly tony stark's iron man.
Avengers Doomsday Is Delayed To November 2026 Because I Need To Restore Avengers 5 Kang Dynasty For a Rewrite
Let’s get it
Using Molecule Man would seem to indicate that Wanda would not have much of a role. WandaVision hinted at Wanda being the anchor being. Rumors suggest that is not true. If Doom interacts with Molecule Man then there is no place for Wanda there. The Molecule Man story is too unwieldy to use in these movies. The whole cheeseburger thing was idiotic.
Doom probably stole the Beyonder's powers and Doom was so sadistic he transformed himself into Tony Stark to mentally screw with Peter and it'll give him the aggression he needs to wear the black suit
Marvel should cast Miles Teller to be the maker
Right now, Marvel doesn't have Captain America or Iron Man, so spider-man should be the main character. I think that secret character could be molecule man, or if i was gonna go out on a limb, i would also say a new Iron Man.
Favorite Hero: Batman
If they were going to use The Maker, I would imagine they would get any of the other Reeds(Miles Teller, Ioan Gruffudd, Jon Krasinky, Alex Hyde -White)
I think Ioan Gruffudd should be the Maker, having been goofy before then super evil would be great!
Man after Diddy and all the stuff we now know idk if I’d wanna be as big as Tom is getting tbh
Deadpool and Wolverine will probably show up again in Secret Wars and would be a massively missed opportunity if they didn’t show up in the mutant saga. Wolverine needs to be reunited with the mutants again
Awesome video
Tom Holland already has classics outside the McU
I’m sure they’ll adress doom looking like Tony; they did in the Marvels Maria looked just like Binary and Monica called her mum
A good tittle would be Spider-Man: M
M can stand for the house m type storyline they might do with the movie coming out after Doomsday and M can also stand for multiverse since it’s basically a multiverse story.
They need to cast Miles teller as the maker, and they need to at least bring in a variant Black Panther because he’s a big part of secret wars
Kinda hoping doom has his mask and never takes it off.
That’d be cool, but Not gonna happen at all
Avengers Doomsday is gonna overlap with the Christopher Nolan film, filming. Not Spider-Man 4. SM4 and Doomsday were gonna overlap before they pushed SM4.
I blame Sony for delaying Tom Holland's Spider-Man 4. They always ruin everything. And if it's true about the plot rumor, I might like it. But I still have my great plot theories for Tom Holland's Spider-Man 4, 5 and 6 if anyone is interested. And the secret cameo should be Maker. It would make more sense and it definitely shouldn't be Miles Morales, especially from the pathetic Spider-verse movies. And I bet which Thunderbolts will die is Red Guardian, "Taskmaster" ans Ghost or US Agent. And I have a theory for which teams should be in the next Avengers movies if anyone is interested. Can't wait and love the MCU!!!
Are we really sure that 56 year old Hugh Jackman wants to continue rigorous training for another decade 🤔
I don’t feel so good Dr Doom
it would be freaking AWESOME if RDJ was not the Victor Von Doom variant but Tony Stark variant & kept secret until movie releases & actual Victor Von Doom shows up & gets rid of RDJ variant (with Scarlet Witch actual with Victor & not RDJ) & this all kept under wraps until release day!!! BOOM
I am hoping RDJ is a variant of doom and we’ll get the real doom later on
Because they've already established him as a variant of Reed Richards. Have John Krasinski play the Maker. Which would be perfect. He plays another variant of Reed and its a one a done film
Can't wait to see what happens. We definitely need a live action Miles Morales.
What if the role,Mr fantastic played in comics by restoring everything will be done by Spider-Man
I thought tom Holland was taking a break for his Mental Health.
No more leaks
The Maker would be cool!
Does that make me the first on to view 😊
I understand they need to introduce doom somewhere, I just wish it didn’t have to be in Spiderman.
Open the movie with Doctor Doom killing a very powerful character. I can't wait to see his costume and mask when they get it all together, and when we finally get a trailer. I will be hyped. It's gonna break the internet
Sub for yrs. 1st comment. Thank you for dropping Stellar content!!Sam's no match for RH. But his Vibranium suit also absorbs and projects kinetic energy would make it interesting for a minute
I was thinking Superior Iron Man
I mean it kind of makes sense that we’re in the Multiverse saga and variants are in the Multiverse saga like how we saw with Loki, Deadpool and Wolverine So having Robert Downey Jr. play a Tony Stark variant would makes sense.
I haven’t kept up on Doom news, but I just assumed we never see his face b/c of the mask, & we get his acting/altered voice instead. But maybe I missed some news that says we see his face
Based on amazing make-ups like the penguin, and the ghoul in fallout etc….plus dr. Doom generally being super deformed, combined with RDJ’s acting, maybe they aren’t going to pull the Tony stark variant stuff at all, and just cover him in makeup and be victor
People keep wanting Doom to be a corrupt Iron Man Variant! Marvel has already confirmed that Iron Man is dead in the Sacred Timeline and his death won't be undone. This is Victor Von Doom! He may have Stark's face or an accent. And I doubt his face will be shown a lot because Doom has an accident that scars his face.
Most of the top ten movies of all time were Christmas releases, including No Way Home. so makes sense
The trick to DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE 2 is that regardless of what they clown 🤡 on in the next one, they need to do it soon enough to include Stewart, McKellan Grammer, Downey ECT IMHO
Nice title
Christmas 2026 release date makes a lot of sense.
With it being delayed does this mean Sony will lose the rights??
Where is the LEAK ? 😒
YOU’RE WRONG…. pls stop
with this question & doubt!
And once again, Warren, I don’t know why you still think he’s gonna play it Tony Stark variant when it clearly says on IMDb he’s gonna be playing Victor Von Dom
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Excited for the upcoming marvel movies leading to secret wars but
We cannot see RDJ as doom and just forget he was Tony Stark
It’s annoying me 😂
I thought Miles Teller would play the Maker.
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Would you rather see: Peter Parker take Doom's side because he misses Tony soo much
Or
The Fantastic Four meet a Tony Stark variant in an Avengers movie and are abhorrent to work with him. Thinking that this is all a trick, that Doom has brainwashed the rest of the Avengers
Marvel Updates released an update that we’re going to get Spider-Man 4: Brand New Day (heavily rumored title) to be released in theaters July 24, 2026.
Timothy Olyphant - Molecule Man
Johnny Depp - The Beyonder
Madelyn Cline - Gwen Stacy/Ghost-Spider
Sydney Sweeney - Felicia Hardy/Black Cat
Timothée Chalemet - Harry Osborn/New Goblin
Caleb McLaughlin - Miles Morales/Spider-Spin
This is Great Casting and the fit the part.
He's a Stark variant named Victor von Doom
Biological variant
@PhilipKNguyen that's a possibility. I didn't even think of that obvious solution. I was thinking that the von Doom family adopts Tony as a baby and name him Victor. Something like that. You can cook up an entire narrative around that; maybe the von Dooms couldn't have children. Or maybe during his playboy days Howard got one of his girlfriends pregnant. She has the baby and the von Dooms adopt the child. There are ways to do it.
@PhilipKNguyen or let's say the von Dooms are Sokovian nobility from a region called Lateria. They adopt the Stark child. After Ulton destroys a large portion of the capital, von Doom forms the breakaway nation of Latveria of which he is absolute monarch. All of this would have to take platin a different universe/timeline of course. Let's just say this all has to happen in the new Fantastic Four universe if Downoom is in that movie.
Dr doom kidnaps Franklin Richard’s to use his powers to create battleworld Franklin is also on dooms side until the heroes rescue him and change his mind and he helps fix the multiverse
Please tom Holland, make it so Sony can't start until October, then Sony will lose the rights to spidey! Just push back your schedule 4 weeks man, 4 weeks 😅
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Are we sure daniel r p k isn't just kevin feige on a spoof account
Why Zendaya Tho
Genuinely Asking She’s Not A Bad Actress But They Really Can Tell More Stories 😭
Right can we get a REAL Mary Jane for Pete or better yet, introduce Black Cat already!
If the MCU makes Dr.Doom a variant of Tony Stark then, that just "BS".
Dr.Doom is the greatest villain ever created within Marvel Comics, and he does NOT need to ge a variant of any other Marvel character.
We have waited long enough for Doom to make his MCU appearance, so do him Right or don't bring him to our screens at all.