Much easier and cheaper if you send your gas into baking soda and water Turns it into sodium nitrate. Then do the regular distillation.. you can get red fuming even
@@Kawka1122 yeah I know. Sending NO2 gas into a box of bicarbonate of soda or carbonate of same, in fact a saturated solution of this in water, hose from gas generators submerged at output end. The red gas gets gobbled up by the baking or washing soda to convert to the nitrate salt in solution form. The no2 gas being made by spark gap amd air feeding into the closed circuit reaction vessel.
6:10 Everything needs to be totally passivated stainless to prevent corrosion. Also, seeing as your device is neither experiencing pressure or motion of any kind, the locktite is an extraneous, and potentially combustible additive which adds no value to the system.
Thanks for the acknowledgement! Now that you have the means to check the concentration of the acid, I'd suggest starting a fresh batch so you can check the concentration at set intervals. Then you can determine if the acid is increasing steadily in concentration, or if the the process has slowed or plateaued. The reason I am suggesting this is because I don't think the acid will reach the 68-70% azeotrope by the birkland eyed process alone (but would be delighted to be wrong). Even with the industrial process they're achieving 40-50% by using packed absorption columns that are taller than a house. Then they will perform a fractional distillation to reach the final azeotrope. So far as increasing your yields are concerned. Using hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) would certainly help, but I see how it would go against the spirit of keeping the consumable costs low (28% H2O2 costs me $30CAD for a gallon). Referring back to the industrial process - increasing the height of your absorption column/vessel would give the gas more time to react with the NO2. A tall cylindrical glass vase would be a pretty good option. Additionally with reference to the industrial process - packing your column will force the bubbles to navigate around the packing giving even more time for the NO2 to react. Filling the column with stainless steel scouring pads could achieve this. As always, looking forward to your progress. Nothing makes me happier than seeing hobby crossover. I followed you originally for your burners and I was delightfully surprised to see you tackle this project. Maybe if you stay on the chemistry path we'll see the NOBOX7 rendition of the bunsen burner.
I have checked it 3 times just using a graduated cylinder and a scale the first 2 times and all 3 times i get .02% per hour so im gonna plot that for a bit and take this run to a point it stops adsorbing
By the way , in the first video i mentioned this project had to be done with things i already own so an exotic build is cost prohibited . I think i spent $ 20 max , i had the rest just sitting there
@@NOBOX7 Oh yea I totally get it. I was back and forth on making any suggestions but I figured there was a good chance you might have a tall vase and some stainless scrubbers kicking around. It's easy to get carried away with suggestions as everything you've done so far looks so well done. Its also very impressive you're able to measure your concentration with a resolution as low as .02%. I usually make my nitric by distillation so I've never needed that level of resolution.
Seems like an interesting method of making Nitric acid 70%. Yes 22 dollars per L by distillation is much better than getting it for 80 dollars a L. In many places you cannot even buy the nitrate salts to make Aqua regas. Cool video.
That's only if it scales linearly. I don't know if the efficiency changes as the concentration changes. But if it does the cost extrapolation may be inaccurate.
Nice setup. Did something similar during the pandemic. I posted on the GRF forum about it in an existing thread. I have well over 30L of home made nitric thanks to my setup. I must tell you however, you cannot achieve much more that 40% concentration this way. I’d love to share some tips with you somehow.
Cool project! Cost of shipping a liter of nitric is a bit more than $80 for me, so I have to pay at least $160 to acquire one liter of acid! That being said, given the relative small amount I use, paying $160 is still much cheaper that making it with your process. Stay safe. Things get exponentially more dangerous as you increase concentration.
You may want to check out distilling by sodium metabisuflate. You can order the hotplate, 1L distillation kit, stands, and collection beakers and chemical while still being under the price you are paying per liter.
There's a video here on YT where this guy used two neodymium magnets on his reactor to reshape the arc into a wide flat disc. It looked pretty dang legit. His magnets were like 2" blocks, and the plasma disc went from wall-to-wall inside his flask. His channel's called "herbert Bodelstein" if you're interested.
The 460W bifacial solar panels are ~$200... my grid power is $0.068/kWh though. Is it linear to 70% though? Maybe you concentrate to 8% and boil to 68deg Baume. Edit: you did mention solar panels there at the end. You might also find the old Nodon electrolysis process interesting. The wikipedia footnotes on hno3 are legit, but you have to dig through the old book they link to. Amazing yields, if you have peat.
I mean seriously dude, you can scale this and make mega bucks. People would buy the hell out of 1/2 price nitric and you would still make close to 40% profit margins!
The biggest Hydrometer I have seen. I thought about the 20cm ones when I wrote the comment (hope you could see it on the last Video before it disappeared…) It’s read while looking horizontally trough to get around the Meniscus that isn’t giving you the right Line as it can vary with the Substance. Although on such a big Device the Spacing of the Lines is big enough not to worry to much. It’s carefully put in the Liquid to avoid having Mass sticking on the Shaft above the Liquid Line and usually you spin it slightly to get away from the Glass Container and the Suction Effect between the two Surfaces in the Liquid. PTFE Tape instead of Loctite might help. 0.3€/kWh here and you can’t even buy H2SO4 in "higher" (15%) Concentrations as a private Person…
What if you use an coolingjacked like an destiller setup around your reactor. With cooling Water if you pump it counter stream if should incrase yield and you can use the water in an radiator or for something else. If i read it in old books they say 1kg nitric acid 8,5kwh that was there effiziency.
You forgot to also add the cost of DISTRIBUTION CHARGES on top of the PER KILOWATT CHARGES which depending on where you live can cost roughly high twenty to close to fifty percent ON TOP OF TOTAL COST for KILOWATT HOURS. The cost of electricity today is just a JOKE WHICH COST AN ARM AND A LEG, PERIOD !!!!! 7:16 SUGAR HAS A LOT OF ENERGY AS YOU SHOW NOBOX7. I made a many model rocket engines using sugar and an oxidizer. The rocket engines I made would show up ESTES ROCKET ENGINES that one can buy in the marketplace..
Much easier and cheaper if you send your gas into baking soda and water Turns it into sodium nitrate. Then do the regular distillation.. you can get red fuming even
no
It seemed it to me.. but then I saw this guy using nh4oh 10% and that was pretty cool. I didn't expect your "no" as it was a firm yes on my end.
@@alllove1754baking soda is carbonate not nitrate!
@@Kawka1122 yeah I know. Sending NO2 gas into a box of bicarbonate of soda or carbonate of same, in fact a saturated solution of this in water, hose from gas generators submerged at output end. The red gas gets gobbled up by the baking or washing soda to convert to the nitrate salt in solution form. The no2 gas being made by spark gap amd air feeding into the closed circuit reaction vessel.
@@alllove1754 now this is clear - like in scrubbers. 👍
6:10 Everything needs to be totally passivated stainless to prevent corrosion.
Also, seeing as your device is neither experiencing pressure or motion of any kind, the locktite is an extraneous, and potentially combustible additive which adds no value to the system.
Thanks for the acknowledgement!
Now that you have the means to check the concentration of the acid, I'd suggest starting a fresh batch so you can check the concentration at set intervals. Then you can determine if the acid is increasing steadily in concentration, or if the the process has slowed or plateaued. The reason I am suggesting this is because I don't think the acid will reach the 68-70% azeotrope by the birkland eyed process alone (but would be delighted to be wrong). Even with the industrial process they're achieving 40-50% by using packed absorption columns that are taller than a house. Then they will perform a fractional distillation to reach the final azeotrope.
So far as increasing your yields are concerned. Using hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) would certainly help, but I see how it would go against the spirit of keeping the consumable costs low (28% H2O2 costs me $30CAD for a gallon). Referring back to the industrial process - increasing the height of your absorption column/vessel would give the gas more time to react with the NO2. A tall cylindrical glass vase would be a pretty good option. Additionally with reference to the industrial process - packing your column will force the bubbles to navigate around the packing giving even more time for the NO2 to react. Filling the column with stainless steel scouring pads could achieve this.
As always, looking forward to your progress. Nothing makes me happier than seeing hobby crossover. I followed you originally for your burners and I was delightfully surprised to see you tackle this project. Maybe if you stay on the chemistry path we'll see the NOBOX7 rendition of the bunsen burner.
I have checked it 3 times just using a graduated cylinder and a scale the first 2 times and all 3 times i get .02% per hour so im gonna plot that for a bit and take this run to a point it stops adsorbing
By the way , in the first video i mentioned this project had to be done with things i already own so an exotic build is cost prohibited . I think i spent $ 20 max , i had the rest just sitting there
@@NOBOX7 Oh yea I totally get it. I was back and forth on making any suggestions but I figured there was a good chance you might have a tall vase and some stainless scrubbers kicking around. It's easy to get carried away with suggestions as everything you've done so far looks so well done. Its also very impressive you're able to measure your concentration with a resolution as low as .02%. I usually make my nitric by distillation so I've never needed that level of resolution.
Seems like an interesting method of making Nitric acid 70%. Yes 22 dollars per L by distillation is much better than getting it for 80 dollars a L. In many places you cannot even buy the nitrate salts to make Aqua regas. Cool video.
That's only if it scales linearly. I don't know if the efficiency changes as the concentration changes. But if it does the cost extrapolation may be inaccurate.
Slinging nitric acid huh 😂, great work man , stay curious !
Nice setup. Did something similar during the pandemic. I posted on the GRF forum about it in an existing thread. I have well over 30L of home made nitric thanks to my setup. I must tell you however, you cannot achieve much more that 40% concentration this way. I’d love to share some tips with you somehow.
You’re one smart cookie, dude. 🙂👍
Cool project! Cost of shipping a liter of nitric is a bit more than $80 for me, so I have to pay at least $160 to acquire one liter of acid!
That being said, given the relative small amount I use, paying $160 is still much cheaper that making it with your process.
Stay safe. Things get exponentially more dangerous as you increase concentration.
Seriously? Why does shipping a litre of nitric acid cost so much?
@@andrewdoesyt7787 It requires special handling because it's such a strong acid and strong oxidizer.
You may want to check out distilling by sodium metabisuflate. You can order the hotplate, 1L distillation kit, stands, and collection beakers and chemical while still being under the price you are paying per liter.
There's a video here on YT where this guy used two neodymium magnets on his reactor to reshape the arc into a wide flat disc. It looked pretty dang legit. His magnets were like 2" blocks, and the plasma disc went from wall-to-wall inside his flask. His channel's called "herbert Bodelstein" if you're interested.
It cools the spark though reducing performance but yeah great idea on a higher power arc
The 460W bifacial solar panels are ~$200... my grid power is $0.068/kWh though.
Is it linear to 70% though? Maybe you concentrate to 8% and boil to 68deg Baume.
Edit: you did mention solar panels there at the end.
You might also find the old Nodon electrolysis process interesting. The wikipedia footnotes on hno3 are legit, but you have to dig through the old book they link to. Amazing yields, if you have peat.
Bro no need for anything else you have a gold machine cash tree if your maths are right well done G
I think you should work in high pressure. And with an incandescent copper wire not electrode
Otherwise impregnate copper wire with Haber-Tropsch catalyst is the solution
You could turn this into a huge business
I mean seriously dude, you can scale this and make mega bucks. People would buy the hell out of 1/2 price nitric and you would still make close to 40% profit margins!
@@travisduggins You cannot be serious- in industry you can buy this in bulk. We pay
@@xxdarthrevanxx7217 I'm not talking about your fucking audience am I
you live in texas?
would you ever considder selling these or the plans?
btw duda diesel will sell you 10 liters for like 160 bucks
You should read a hydrometer under the meniscus, but usually under or over is very close.
Thanks for the input.
@@NOBOX7 Find the YT video by Andreas the Alchemist, he manages to run far more current but achieves a production and distillation run in 12 hours.
I subscribed.
What's the comments I used and the schematics
Birkeland-Eyde maybe?
i guess all older people are like my mom , look at that poor pc running 1000+ tabs😂3:05 / 8:42
In aussie land, we pay USD 0.25 per kWh, but can buy 70% for USD 8 per litre.
Yes , indeed , we have a traitor government that has caused all prices to soar like a rocket
In India we pay 5 rupees or 0.10 dollars per kwh
You can buy legally nitric acid as a private person? In europe you would need for nitric acid a license.
@@thebamplayer yes, but you have to show just cause.
Yeah, where I live you can buy 68% nitric for about $160 USD per liter. If I can make it for $100 per liter it's already worth it.
How did you bulid this?
What hydrometer are you using? I've been trying to find one with a wider range like that.
amazon , if i leave a link you wont get this message
Make the pruduction set in packs to sell G I'll buy 2 reat talk Bro
hell yeah
Interesting!
The biggest Hydrometer I have seen.
I thought about the 20cm ones when I wrote the comment (hope you could see it on the last Video before it disappeared…)
It’s read while looking horizontally trough to get around the Meniscus that isn’t giving you the right Line as it can vary with the Substance. Although on such a big Device the Spacing of the Lines is big enough not to worry to much.
It’s carefully put in the Liquid to avoid having Mass sticking on the Shaft above the Liquid Line and usually you spin it slightly to get away from the Glass Container and the Suction Effect between the two Surfaces in the Liquid.
PTFE Tape instead of Loctite might help.
0.3€/kWh here and you can’t even buy H2SO4 in "higher" (15%) Concentrations as a private Person…
if you dont use solar energie than it istn rentable.
What if you use an coolingjacked like an destiller setup around your reactor. With cooling Water if you pump it counter stream if should incrase yield and you can use the water in an radiator or for something else.
If i read it in old books they say 1kg nitric acid 8,5kwh that was there effiziency.
Seriously wallah! The cost of nitric acid is ridiculous. I'm on the same page, different process. Anything is better than the high cost.
You forgot to also add the cost of DISTRIBUTION CHARGES on top of the PER KILOWATT CHARGES which depending on where you live can cost roughly high twenty to close to fifty percent ON TOP OF TOTAL COST for KILOWATT HOURS. The cost of electricity today is just a JOKE WHICH COST AN ARM AND A LEG, PERIOD !!!!!
7:16 SUGAR HAS A LOT OF ENERGY AS YOU SHOW NOBOX7. I made a many model rocket engines using sugar and an oxidizer. The rocket engines I made would show up ESTES ROCKET ENGINES that one can buy in the marketplace..
You think like I do lol, divide by 3 then multiply by 2 to get 66% of the original value
5 bucks a pound for potassium nitrate. Even less for sodium bisulfate. Simple distillation.
sunlight is free and that was the end goal
Just buy kno3 add h2so4 and distill over nitric acid. Makes easy 1L fuming nitric acid (90-100%) in an hour for like 20$
Yes we all know that recipe but some people don't have access , may as well just buy the acid we wanna make LOL
distillation is much cheaper
I will even give you $23.00 a liter, I need to weld some stainless steel tables.