Carbon Cub N56DV Fatal Accident NTSB Preliminary Report 10 Nov 2023
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2023
- A very well detailed NTSB Preliminary Report. This was Dooley Vanyo's 4th and final rodeo.
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One aviation accident is a stern warning. A second one IMO is likely due cause to reconsider your choice of hobby. A third survived accident is simply your notice that a 4th is inevitable.
GOOD thinking!
As an old timer I don't recall there ever being a time when so many guys were landing their airplanes in places for no apparent purpose other than to prove they could. Of course back in the days we didn't have GoPros or RUclips, the internet or social media so maybe that has something to do with it. Because we sure as heck had Cubs so that's nothing new.
I reckon it was happening in the older days as well, just didn’t have the internet to find out about it.
Riding a motorcycle has a high accident rate with a high chance of serious injury, yet people still ride because it is fun. I used to ride in Seattle traffic, but I got tired of people trying to murder me with negligence. So my guess is off airport landing in tricky conditions is fun, and these pilots probably will not stop performing these risky landings until they experience the risk firsthand, often enough.
I'm old enough to remember when it was called Kodak courage. And it's not like Dooley was 21 years old...
Brave (or stupid) new world.
@@ross4Well we also didn't have cellphones so if you pranged it up even a little you'd be walking out but no, even without the internet word still got around, just not as fast. Maybe it's ABW's fault.
His last flight seems like the culmination of years of questionable decisions. R.I.P. nonetheless. Thanks Juan.
Oddly enough I just got new rollers for my cub cables in that same location you discussed. Wider, more robust, deeper groove with a larger shoulder. Seeing this brought home I made a good decision.
I would also add to avoid hitting rocks.
or landing in places that a “go around is not an option” 🚩
Sounds like he was a bold pilot, and we know how that saying ends. Condolences to his family.
Some pilots are bold, But fold on low emergencies
fortune favours the bold?
As a racecar designer and builder it seems to me that more thought (and priority) should go into making bush planes more crash-survivable. Everything in bush planes is built as light as possible with little regard for impact strength. Racecar drivers frequently walk away from 200+ G impacts, while pilots die all the time in sub-50 G impacts. We're talking about planes that will barely go 100mph, and most of their crash impacts seem to be around 50mph or less. You can drive virtually any tube chassis racecar head-on into a concrete wall at 50mph fully expecting to walk away uninjured. Just looking at bush plane frames it seems like adding 50 pounds of tubing, gussets, and shear panels could quadruple your chances of survival in most crashes.
Add 50 pounds to a Carbon Cub??? Many of these owner's go to great extent to save a few OUNCES! That 50 pounds could end up killing them in a high density altitude situation - which is a much more likely scenario for these aircraft.
But that extra 50 lbs raises the stall speed, increases takeoff and landing distance, robs power and likely increase costs. All of which ‘flys’ in the face of what owners try to achieve.
I’m sure this is a risk they are willing to take and many are successful!
If pilots would always fly their aircraft within its design limits every time, then there would be far less crashes.☺️
And you are not going to change survivability very much in a plane.
So long as pilots only care about performance they'll keep getting their legs crushed and keep dying in low G impacts. Racecar drivers used to have the same attitude, making everything as light as possible, to make it as fast as possible, no matter the risk. 75 years ago most significant racecar crashes were fatal. Now fatalities are extremely rare and 300+ G impacts have been survived. Any idiot can look at a small aircraft frame and see that it's a death trap if you hit anything with it, just like a Formula 1 car from the 50s. F1 guys also said having roll structures and crumple zones would reduce performance too much and cause more accidents... yet they keep getting faster and safer year after year.
Just first thought, pilots are generally not wearing the same kind of safety gear as racecar drivers either. But yeah, that might not do much good when the whole thing crumples around you anyway.
In the Commercial Nuclear industry, we called this type of experienced workers Cowboys. We saw them in Security, Maintenance, Operations and Management. It took a lot of years and a lot of expensive training and evaluation to beat the Cowboy out of those guys. They usually would end up making an expensive and dangerous mistake that would finally create the leverage to get them to change their ways. Based on the prior accidents (where people were seriously injured), this guy should not have been flying.
Another example where a well-respected and personable stick-and-rudder guy who pushes the limits and regards the rules as guidelines, then runs out of luck and talent. Reminiscent of Bud Holland but with a far cheaper aircraft and far less human tragedy.
Great analysis once again Juan.
Thanks for not taking a passenger, Dooley.
...or his dog!
Great job of reporting Jaun. I met Dooley last year when he was looking to share his hangar. I was looking for a hangar for my Seneca. I can’t say that I liked the man. He was rude, boisterous and antagonistic on our face to face meeting. I decided we would not make good hangar mates and made other arrangements. That being said I was friends with him on Facebook and we began friendlier relations in that venue. He made several offers to go flying with him around Arizona. As tempting as it was, not knowing his accident history, I declined based on a gut feeling of some sort. I can say from only observations of posts of his exploits a certain jealousy that many pilots likely shared. He appeared to be living the pilots dream flying what and where he wanted on an almost daily basis. Rusty certainly made a positive impression on me and I’m thankful she was, oddly, not with him.
It looks like Dooley could have been a friend of Mike Patey? Was he one of his 4 friends that he lost in the last 60 days?
Sounds like quite the cowboy. I would not have flown with him.
A lot of us developed that gut instinct of who to avoid flying with.
Would you call him a narcissist? Any run ins with the law or authority figures. Did he brag about sexual conquests? Roomer or fact that he would cheat on his partner? Odd that with grave injuries in a helo crash Juan mentioned lawsuits that didn’t go anywhere. I wonder what he got away with. He had enough money to buy another aircraft.
@@ushouldntjudgeme3683yes that's the case.
Juan, this brings up a point that I have been meaning to mention to you to research (in all your down time :) ). When I was an Aircraft Accident Investigator (Maintenance side) in the Canadian Air Force I remember a briefing by the pilot investigators where they stated some interesting statistics regarding pilots and accidents. I forget the exact numbers but there was/is a greater probability that a pilot will be involved in multiple accidents/incidents following the first one. It caught the attention of one investigator that it was common to see the same names show up over and over again with regards to incidents/accidents. They started researching it and found that there was no clear explanation for this trend but it was noted to be true in other countries regardless of civilian or military aviation. One accident doesn't mean you WILL have more than one, but the probability goes up compared to pilots who have had none. Another significant point to add is that this trend held true even if the pilot in the incident/accident was not at fault, such as, a bird strike, maintenance problem, lightning strike etc. Food for thought to chew on. It still makes me scratch my head.
Karma? Bad ju ju? Plain old bad luck?
Best answer to your question, head scratch is.. They say things that are sad happen in three's
Very interesting. I don’t know anything about this specific data, and you already said that no trend was found. Do you know if only pilot behavior was looked into, or also flight routes and types of aircraft? Flying in bird areas or flying in a variety of terrain surely would increase risks compared to someone flying in the same location without mountains or birds all the time. Also there might be some hidden decision making factors that are hard to determine without a deeper psychological analysis which is not really required for GA. Don’t know about military. I would argue that a mixture of those factors makes a lot of pilots flying at a higher risk while it would be a too deep analysis needed across a broad area of pilots to determine trends. What do you think?
As it was explained, this fallen pilot seems to had vast experience across several type of birds but overall low average flying hours in each of them, the way he may have treated each flight must be very unique as he never flew the same path or plan thus rendering the conditions to encounter an upset situation capable of inducing pilot error more probable.
I know pilot who infringed air space needing 10 hours retraining. Then did dodgy atlantic crossings. Did wheels up landing. Stood outside aircraft to observe aircraft engine running no one inside. Then flew himself into a mountain in a storm. At what point should someone say give up flying.
Glad he was solo. Looking at Dooley's accident resume it was only a matter of time. I've been flying the same Cub 57 years. I've made off airport landings but have resisted the big tire rodeos that have become popular. I consider destinations like Johnson Creek and similar good enough.
As an industrial designer, the specific mode of failure in this crash is a really interesting case study in making systems robust and resilient. Juan as soon as you pointed out the wing brace and landing gear strut came together in the same place it gave me concern - add to that the aileron cable running through the same intersection and it's a recipe for (a very specific) disaster.
I expect people will say "Oh but how likely is it that will ever happen?". Perhaps never, but this is the problem with mechanical systems - we aren't good at imagining all of the failure modes, so this design decision meant that damage that should have been survivable (for the pilot if not the aircraft) becomes a fatal flaw. As a designer, that's a sobering thought.
Almost all aircraft designs have critical areas where failure can result in the loss of the airplane. It's the PIC's responsibility to be aware of these and use the inspection process to help ensure safety. Operating the aircraft in an irresponsible manner that might damage critical components indicates poor judgement, an unfortunate part of many (fatal) accidents.
@@bernieschiff5919 true. But as a designer it is my job to mitigate problems by making good design choices - or I can make them worse by selecting easy solutions. Connecting the landing gear and wing brace to the fuselage at the same point is a design decision that looks to me like asking for trouble. Going on to run the aileron cable through the same point - because it's convenient is to my mind *very* bad design.
As a designer I'm trying to anticipate failure modes and how they could effect the thing I'm designing. Landing gear is always going to be a vulnerable point on an aircraft - even for the most competent and careful pilot. So physically attaching not one but two entirely separate critical systems to another forseeably vulnerable system is in my opinion poor design that appears at this time to have contributed to the loss of the aircraft and the pilot.
Even the best pilot make mistakes. As a designer it's my job to give them the best chance of surviving those mistakes as possible.
@@langdons2848 valid points. You can land a plane without landing gear. You can't land it without a wing.
@@tdkeyes1 exactly damaged landing gear shouldn't have lead to a loss of aileron control.
To avoid that you need to select the right design philosophy for the product.
Racing motorcycle: highest performance, lowest weight, so you will try to make every component you can serve two purposes or more.
Private aircraft - soft failure, high survivability, ease of maintenance and operation. That implies simple technology, high reliability, and decoupled systems - which the Cub doesn't have in this specific case sadly.
Agree, I thought exactly the same thing. Foreseeing landing gear damage on a trainer type air-frame is to be expected, running critical control cables right through the gear attachment point seems negligent at best. However... this design is old and attitudes were different to safety then. It seems to me looking at all this that so long as you can say 'that's how it was originally designed' you can get away with flying it regardless of how terrible the 'design' was and is. Some 1920's era monoplanes were absolute death traps yet folks will rebuild them and die in them today, all legally done under some exception in the regs like experimental or built as designed etc.
While I was a teenager my dad was involved in general aviation. He had a interest in aerobatics and had a group of friends who were risk-takers like this. One by one they bought the farm doing risky things like this. One day my dad took to practicing maneuvers over the house with mom watching. That was the end of his aerobatic hobby.
My wife's grandad build a home made plan and crashed into his own house
I hope he didn't crash?
@@scotabot7826I’m thinking maybe it struck a nerve with the wife….and that is something that one best pay attention too! Don’t ask me how I know…😉
You can't end your stories like this. Did he die or did your mom make him quit?
@@24pavlo reading between the lines, I suggest he lived and quietly moved beyond his blue angels days
Juan, You may remember "Grace the ace"? she was an airshow performer that did acts in her stock J3 Cub. I saw her routine often at all of the local airshows, Watsonville, Merced, Livermore. In 1978, could have been 1977, I was watching her routine at the Livermore airshow. She would takeoff as if
she stole the plane, and would fly around like she was out of control. They had an announcer acting like they were trying to talk her down and eventually send a vehicle out to the runway to try and guide her in. After a couple minutes, the vehicle and plane ended up coming from opposite directions. She would bounce the aircraft in all directions and would get really close to the car!
Well on this day, she was headed for the car and as she pulled up at the last minute, her left gear struck the hood . The gear attach fittings
sheared and the gear separated from the aircraft and went flying into the air about 50 feet. The right gear was swinging as she flew off due to the cross struts missing.
She landed in the dirt along side the runway and was OK.
The car suffered a damaged hood, broken windshield, and the driver had cuts from the glass but was OK.
Cub Crafters may have strengthened this area due to its off field capabilities. Aircraft "should" be designed so that components like landing gear
will shear rather then bend structure.
Large aircraft are designed to have the pylons that support the engines, and the landing gear, to break away if they strike something during an accident.
UTTER CRAP....PILOT USING THE AIRCRAFT FOR WHAT IT was not DESIGNED FOR AND HERE IS A CLOWN LIKE YOU SAYING THE MAKER NEED TO REDESIGN IT....
Excellent comments and totally contradicts the people that think this POS involved in this accident was well-built.
I was at that airshow!!
Pretty sure I saw her at the old Fremont, CA drag strip/airfield in the early 80’s doing this stunt. This time, she came down hard w/apparently locked brakes, bounced straight up, then it rolled over on its back when it came back down. Bent up the prop and the top of the tail. She unhitched, dropped onto the roof and crawled out OK. More than we expected to see. 😬
I've been working in aircraft structural repair for 26 years , I've never heard of nacelle pylons "designed" to fall off .
I just wanted to say that even though I'm not a pilot I appreciate the information you provide and the parts about pilot behavior apply to a lot of endeavors not just flying.
I am not a pilot but your reports are so good and the photos in this one sure make it interesting and educational. Thanks for an excellent RUclips channel.
Yes, these reports are well presented. I appreciate the work that goes into them.
Dooley seems to have been a legendary pilot in his own mind.. Gravity had other opinions…
A rock had another opinion. Rocks are hard things compared to any aircraft part.
Dooley must have never heard this," there are old pilots, there are bold pilots.... but old..bold.... not so much" !!!!
yeah, seems like he was either not very smart or just careless. He did things he shouldn't have done if he knew what the limitations of his aircraft were.
You can never get lost in cloud for longer than your fuel reserve.
probably suffered from Stockton Rush syndrome
Thanks Juan. That was a lot of work and time putting this video together. Condolences to Dooley’s family.
Rodeo says it all! And just like bull riding-every ride you survive produces less and less respect for safety and the equipment!
This and most of these aviation accident channels are the epitome of the problem with aviation. No one cares about your bullshit
This is a crucial insight. Risk tolerance grows every time the risk is taken and the bad outcome doesn't eventuate. It's the story behind the loss of Space Shuttle Columbia.
One contribution: I had two engine offs in flight, single engine, so end up as a glider… both due to fuel problems which is normal because over 90% of engine cut offs are caused by missing fuel. One was a damaged catch tank for inverted aerobatic flights and the other was a maintenance issue with a not tightened fuel hose. Now I’m waiting for the third if I’m reading properly…
I suggest you keep your feet firmly on the ground and stay clear of flying. Someone isn't doing a proper pre-flight.
@@richardlanders5300no way to check all hoses and joint during preflight. This looks like A&P in hurry to finish job.
Thank you Juan! I really enjoy your technical coverage and straight talk accounts of the incidents.
Good summary review, Juan. Thank you.
With no tail wheel experience, unless the AH-64 counts, and Cub knowledge this presentation was very informative for me.
Thanks!
Thank you Juan for your efforts in explaining thease accidents. Well appriciated.
As always, a video well done! Thank you!
Another great reconstruction and summary Juan, thanks very much.
Great review....and good info as a Super Cub owner...
Thanks for sharing Juan.
Your very restrained closing comments said it all, thank goodness no other people (or dogs) were killed on injured by this guy. Given the history you described, this was probably inevitable. Sympathies for his family and those who loved him.
There are indeed no OLD BOLD pilots…..RIP….thanks Juan.
Always enjoy your analysis/info. Clear & concise
Thanks Juan. RIP Dooly. There but for the Grace of God go I.
This kind of mindset reminds me of an "Aviation101" video recently ("Death by Instructor ") about a fatal crash where an instructor was posting pix on Instagram about how his student was essentially an idiot while they were doing precheck and during the flight.
They flew into a storm and the aircraft was destroyed by a downdraft.
Pilot and/or instructor mentality can kill.
Unless im going crazy, Juan also did a video on that one
You have to wonder what kind of demons Dooley was suffering with to take these kinds of chances and be so cavalier with his life and the lives of others. In my opinion this kind of recklessness goes beyond lack of judgment or the need to live on the edge and shows a deeper level of carelessness.
Either carelessness, or "risk tolerance"? I suspect that it could be the latter, and IMO the entire "private aviation community" is skewed towards tolerance of risk, given that many people choose to avoid light aircraft even if they _could_ afford to buy an aircraft or even are offered a flight/ trip as a passenger, but turn it down.
This comment has a real ring of truth. Well said.
Cowboy.
I didn't know stupidity was a demon.
@@iankemp2627 That's an easy statement to make that he was just stupid. I doubt anyone would recount Dooley as stupid. A risk taker, yes. So why did he take all those risks?
U sure love that plane !! Great videos !
A small loop of bronze centered around the cable just before the pulley seems in order. You would be able to inspect the bronze to see if the cable ever even tries to jump the pully and see rubbing. Ill bet previous hard landings would have thrown the pulley off enough to cause rubbing, and it could be prevented.
A fairlead each side of the curve of the pulley might have helped but close-fitting fairleads then introduce the risk of snagging broken cable strands.
Great video. Please zoom in on reports to fill your screen to make it easier for us watching on TV screens to read and follow along.
Interesting parallel between this crash and Jim Tweto's - damage from an initial crash cause the airplane to fly in an uncontrollable manner for some distance afterwards.
THANKS FOR YOU PRESENTATION SALUDOS
I fly a small RC version of the carbon cub. Came here to understand more of the full scale ac. Thanks.
Thanks for the rundown on this accident in comparison to another guy calling him what he shouldn't be. Condolences to family and friends of the pilot.
Good report
Sounds like about three things went wrong all at once. I believe you can make a cable holder that keeps it inside the groove of a pulley fairly easily to prevent the cable from coming out of the groove
Figuring off airport landings on rough terrain is done, the getting the cable arrangements out of structures involved in taking landing forces seems a good idea.
Juan , had to wait to get my computer back , my wife who has no interest in aviation has suddenly developed one because she thinks you look like Pierce Brosnan ( hope I spelled that right ) but now that I have the keyboard I was curious if you might do a video relative to your most concerning moment of your flight career. I can think of few people who have flown fighters, Airliners , and Thier own ( maybe Fly wire) , and with this experience it would be interesting . I know pilots are reluctant to talk about this , I once heard that Niel Armstrong or Pete Conrad once replied when asked were you ever afraid in an aircraft and they replied , every time I got in. Not sure if this is actually true or an urban legend, but at any rate of you do feel comfortable talking about it I think it would be great to hear. ❤ Love your channel! A thousand thumbs up!
Too bad no one called this pilot out early as a result of taking too much risky flying. Early in my career I worked as a CFII, and found one of my students taking excessive risks flying his newly built RV-4. He demonstrated that anything goes as a airplane owner, with no regard to safety, or his passenger. As a result I sent a letter to the pilot that I was removing my endorsement of his recent flight review, and that he get another instructor endorsement in his logbook. This accident might have been prevented with his pilot friends to take less risk.
Watch Mike Patey's last video. He kinda talks about this. It's about time we call our friends out on reckless flying.
I had a conversation with an individual today that called Dooley out on his judgement on several occasions. Apparently, so I’m told, there were numerous complaints from individuals, state officials, etc regarding off airport landings in areas that were clearly not legal. I had no idea he was the outlaw that he was. This is a perfect example of there being old pilots and bold pilots but not many old bold pilots.
I turned 71. I gave myself the first "strike" for this. Notwithstanding 23.5k hours of which 5.5k GA@@TheFlyingStampede
Except that you cannot "remov[e] your endorsement" once made, unless you can show you were provided fraudulent experience data or licensing.
@@TheFlyingStampedeMike knew Dooley, one of the 4 friends he recently had lost. I knew Dooley as well.
Thanks Juan. As you first said, you have to know the risk and reward profile of what you want to do. I didn’t know Dooly, but it seems like he liked to push that profile. RIP Dooly.
As a student, I went on a solo cross country in my Dad's Aeronca 7AC. I was going to fly over my Grandpa's farm and then back to the county airport to refuel and return home. Dad gave me specific orders not to try to land on the farm for fear of some obstruction. It was a good cross country. No radio. Just the compass and my sectional.
The aged and mature me wants to denigrate the idea of off-airport landing capers done just for fun. But, I get it. Like most adrenaline challenges, they can be satisfyingly performed to a high level of safely with procedures, discipline and understanding of the threats. It takes a skilled Cowboy to control a herd. You've just gotta be the Cowboy, not one of the Cows.
Every time I think about getting back into GA….. I see a long list of accident reports.
Georgia gets a bad rep but it’s not so bad.
@@robertgaudet7407 GA stands for General Aviation.
Thank you Blanco for your interpretation. I knew Dooley and while I dont agree with everything you've said, Im glad to have some info on what happened.
I really appreciate your truthful but courteous comment.
Way too many accidents today. Here in Crete, Greece also a superlight aircraft went down in the sea killing the pilot and 1 more person on board. They were on a noght flight doing a lap around the airport before landing to lose altitude and inspect the area when the emergency services were alerted and found the plane in the sea. The responders said both people were strapped on their seats when they found them unconscious. The aircraft supposedly went under the surface pretty fast after impact. This is early information as i read it from FB posts of local aeroclubs and news articles. A good pilot was lost yesterday night. Also, after Richard mcspadden crash, we had another crash here of a pilot and father of 3 kids at his 30s, immediately after take off he crashed. We don't know the cause. After that Greece's AOPA president died. He was the man who discovered the cause of the Helios 552 tragedy and never stopped fighting for aviation safety here. And all that after the Canadair crash you reported on. Hard year for aviation this one. If you think that our ga is very limited as is 2 crashes a few months apart is a big thing. Hopefully these 2 crases are under investigation and we find the causes on both of them although none of the aircraft involved had a cvr or fdr and were both operating on or near uncontrolled airports.
Damn shame. The loss of life is tragic. The loss of a Carbon Cub...damn shame.
Twisp is a beautiful airport. Very scenic spot.
Yes it is.
Call it as you see it. Thanks for the interpretation.
When I was 16 I worked on restoring 22 WWII Piper Cubs in Sussex , N.J. so its my favorite airplane. I think we could make the plane safer by changing the weak points using more up to date designs and materials.Especially with those much bigger landing gear. Phenolic isn't much stronger than paper. Re-routing the cables might be an improvement, being careful not to introduce new problems.
Unfortunate , but preventable. The rock in one view looked like a sizable rock outcropping ? Thanks Juan.
Was there ever a flight check after any of his accidents? Curious.
I think this demonstrates the importance of a takeoff or landing briefing (yes even single pilot)! Did he really go over the contingencies and execute a plan or just go for it having a good time? Did they consider basic things like: where are the nearest emergency services, how long for them to get there, what do you have on hand to put out the fire, does anyone know where your going?
That guy had 2 or more reported accidents before the last one that killed him (Incidents dont have to be reported). Dam dangerous guy.
Sorry to hear of the loss of life. Condolences to his family.
Kind of hard to believe that he hid 3 major accidents from the entire big wheel flying community. I surmise people knew, but liked the guy and overlooked the obvious that he was reckless. People now pretending its all a surprise is what might be going on.
Great research and report. Sad outcome.
Only God knows why I survived an evaluation flight of a KC-135(R), which landed on the 'hard side' in the latter 1980's, and a 'landing event' of a BO-105 in the early 1990's in a medical helicopter, but "God,bless 'em!"; they were attempting to enjoy life, and that is commendable, and likely the 'true meaning' of life'!!
I live just about 40 miles south of Twisp. North Central Washington is a popular place for PP's due to lack of controlled air fields and low traffic. Even the major airport in Wenatchee, WA. (population between E Wenatchee and Wenatchee proper is about 150,000) does not have tower. We have multiple airfields in North Central Washington, none of which are controlled. I took about four lessons and flew in and out of four different fields. The terrain is whacky around here, going from high plateaus to river valleys to high alpine mountains in a relatively narrow airspace, and... we have extreme weather here. My fourth and final flight lesson was flying out of Wenatchee (EAT) in 104 ground temp. Flew up to Chelan. Ask me how fun that was in a Cessna 150. Ha ha.
I live in Wenatchee and my amazingly ignorant, arrogant Brother flies with this group and recently. He took our very own mother on that flight. Imagine if you will they won't listen to common sense, He even posts a video about it and then shows that he's the one that wears the helmet for safety and leaves our mother with nothing. Is great job chad patterson.
When I was a teenager (a few hundred years ago LOL) a very experienced pilot and father of one of my friends said "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but very few old bold pilots."
I guess life is a risk but when it comes to flying there is no point in departing from the most stringent guidelines on what is acceptable, the consequences can be fatal.
In the energy sector this type of design points to good chance for whats termed “single point failure” meaning damage (even modest) at that juncture will create entire system failure.
What do you have there for a sailboat?
So how did this guy get any kind of insurance with that many accidents, and retain a pilots license?
You're not required to have insurance. Maybe he didn't have any.
Same way we all get Obummer care, everyone pays 3x more now
Insurance is only required by lenders. If you own your plane outright there is no requirement to have insurance.
Revocation of a pilot's certificate would require that he violate the regulations. You don't lose a license on the basis of an accident or number of accidents only.
@@erickborling1302
But you can be adjudicated a reckless pilot and lose it that way… better to lose your license for 6 months or a year than be dead forever!!!
But then again “a smoking hole in the ground is a small price to pay for a shite hot maneuver!!”
As I've heard before and my instructor once told me " there are old pilots and bold pilots, but not many old bold pilots ". This type of flying has many risks involved and I suspect those pilots that do fly in this manner accept the risks. RIP
There are a handful of old bold pilots, but there are precisely 0 old bold unlucky pilots. How would you rate your luck? Mine would give Murphy a run for his money, so if I’d like to be an old pilot I have no choice but to not be a bold pilot.
The legend of Dare Devil Dooley, flying wild like a rodeo bully; when a rock kissed his gear and broke that poor pulley, control was lost fully. Godspeed Dare Devil Dooley!
He obviously liked our Aussie dogs, looks like a bluey pup on the wing and Rusty a red Heeler also known as a Queensland Heeler, hope they’re looked after!
You would think that maybe piper would or could reroute the aileron cable, just in case of the direct hit in that area of the wheels/strut.
You make your decisions in this life and then you have to live with them (or not). Sorry. RIP.
Such a tragedy as , from what you say, this should never have happened . Life can be ended so unexpectedly in an instant .
WHAT TRAGEDY ????? HE PAID FOR HIS SINS !!!!!!!!
Life is hard, it’s harder if you’re stupid.
Four accidents? I had a roommate in CA back in the 80's who went through a shake and bake commercial instrument course; he wanted to fly for the airlines. Unfortunately, he had a habit of running airplanes out of fuel. While building hours for the airline, he flew a corporate AC69; he crashed on an ILS approach due to fuel exhaustion killing him and three passengers. There always seems to be a pattern.
If he made two discovery passes why would he make his final approach in the wrong direction? That part is very curious. Which direction were the two previous passes and did his friend correct him? Did he choose a different path on the final approach?
Didn't land in a different direction.
Kevin, by different direction do you mean on the other side of the tree away from the 'path' that the first aircraft landed and to which that first pilot was guiding his companion, the second, to (his side of the tree, not on the other side where he, Dooley, attempted his fatal landing)?
Because if you do a low pass with another person already on the ground you have to land or they pull your cert. Just ask Trent
Dooley should of been recording his landing because you know what they say. The camera man never dies
You mentioned he flew over the LZ a few times. Wouldn’t he have seen it be rock?
Having landing gear, wing strut, & aeleron cable all attaching to 1 point seems like a high risk but Patey does it. 1 hard landing & it's over.
what an awful situation to witness before Dooley's fellow pilot
this kind of accident does remind me of the chute that Mike Patey installed into his scrappy project
good idea or not, still might have saved this chaps life, although the altitude and time before contact might not have been within limits of a chute fully deploying, i also wonder if killing the engine might have had a different outcome, i guess every pilot must think the same, that he or she is good enough to get out of trouble and then the unthinkable happens, for you outback country flyers, see Mike and get a chute fitted, got to be worth the trouble and money
i witnessed a friend on full power take off, on a private grass airstrip, catch a downdraft and his gear hit the top of a fence, the fence dragged him down at no altitude, barely ten feet, slammed into the deck smashing the airframe to pieces, i don't think i ever ran so fast in my life to the scene, both my friend and the pilot were fine, but it certainly scared to SH1T out of me, things can be so different in an instant, experience and age accounts for nothing, gravity often wins
I couldn't find those cables when looking at the 777, you don't just yoink on the cable running up the wing on the 777?
This was not an accident...It was his decision to do these very risky landings.
That doesn't mean it wasn't an accident. The other pilot managed to land and take off just fine.
Know when to say WHEN. My Dad was an ATC for 30 years. Flew a Cessna 150 for a few years in the 70’s. We walked away from a planned flight to the old Nut Tree Airport west of Sacramento. We were to meet a friend of his (Western Airlines pilot) but because of gusty crosswinds, he didn’t want to risk it. His pal who flew a Mooney Airibat concurred heartily, same issue. We went a month later and had a ball.
I knew a guy like Dooley back in the early 80's. He was always doing crazy shit like this. He lived to the ripe old age of 27.
"Substantially damaged" is quite an understatement.
Perfectly good aircraft with unfortunate pilot judgment regarding the landing site terrain. My condolences to the family & his friends.
Sorry about your friend Juan.
Damn! A pilots responsibility is to make responsible decisions, as failure hurts a lot of other people.
Yep. Did he consider anyone beyond himself?
There is a person with an automotive channel Garret Mitchel ( stage name Cleetus McFarland ) that has a Carbon Cub. His channel is built on purposely breaking / blowing stuff up / crashing stuff. Don't be surprised if he does something stupid in his Cub.
As an aviation/car/racing buff, I became aware of Cleetus and surmised, like you, that he is trouble looking for a place to happen! Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD!
I quit watching anything he posts....
@@roberthevern6169 Yep, his audience is literally " Florida Man "
To be fair he's been training for a long time and kept it separate from the youtube persona. But I do agree that he likes to push the limits of everything. He's usually pretty keen on learning from others so I'm sure he pays close attention to GA accidents especially anything cub/STOL related.
@@alanloyd7164 Yep, however, there is the need to become more and more outlandish in order to retain viewers in the 30 second realm of modern internet. Just look at Trevor Jacob though TJ is a real outlier.
I've pitched the on purpose break / blow up / crash on channels frequented by some of C McF . . $#@Q# . . .K fans. They come to his defense saying none of that is on purpose, the sad apart is that they are easily fooled and don't even realize it.
Cleetus is an interesting fellow. He's also a fellow railfan (train enthusiast) like me. There's been a number of postings he's made on several railfan websites that I thought were questionable or otherwise odd. I never followed whatever he contributed. There was one post he made on Trainorders a few years that really pissed me off. I'm sure he's a decent person, but things he has said before I completely (and respectfully) disagree with.
I am not drawing conclusions, I'm not a pilot, but I am reminded of a saying my father who was in the RAF during the war had.
"There are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are NO old bold pilots".
My condolences
Time 820 The pulley really needs to be wide enough or bracket narrow enough as not to allow the cable to become wedged off the side of the pulley.
And the pulley needs to be aluminum. If the pulley hadn't delaminated, the cable might not have jammed, and he might have been able to limp home with just a hanging wheel. The rock wasn't the problem, the pulley was the problem. The plane was still flying after hitting the rock.
Inside of older struts need to be checked for corrosion too !
'Dooley's Last Rodeo': ohh, that's 😮
the fourth time is a charm.
Hi Juan, this is really the first accident review of yours I’ve listened to closely because it is quite relevant to my own flying career and current flying.
I think you did a good, objective job with it; especially the relevant parts of the aircraft that appear to have failed.
After almost 30 years of off-airport flying in Alaska, and 20 of them for work (in my Cub), it’s never more important now to evaluate the risk/reward, and mitigate risks whenever possible.
Again, well done.
Hmm. Strange to me that the pulley snapped before the axel it was riding on.. tells me that the pulley was stuck, or bent, inside it's housing. Thus not allowing that cable to be workable.. 😮
Course, hitting a rock, might have a lot to do about that!!!😢
As an ifr specialist pilot I choose only to fly in soup. To me it is much more fun than looking for mountain tops to land on. I like low tops so I can get on top and then listen to my favorite pink Floyd songs with a pretty girl and a 6 seater.
Did that Cub have your brand on it?
Are you the owner of a yellow Piper?