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The Orks could, but if they did they would then only have each other to fight, with no active challenge to motivate them they'd just slowly devolve into a bunch of scattered pockets that would occasionally rise and fall until there was nothing left to fight over.
Yep. Tzeentch isn't really the most direct chaos god. I just really want a meme with Frank Renyolds as Tzeentch poking the other gods off the side of a building with a 2x4 now. "OH NO YOU DON'T"
...and Khorne would still thirst for any skulls, Nurgle would still cook up diseases for everybody and Slaanesh would still be irritating to all. Like Orks, they are always fighting each other and you just get caught in the mix.
I imagine a chaos victory would look like the Imperium Nihilus. An ever shifting set of Warlords battling for territory and favour while galaxy itself becomes a vast hellscape.
OH GOD please pls pls please GM let us have just one damn Space 4x game like this, like Endless Space 2, where we get to actually play a vast galaxy size map--obviously nowhere near ES2 I mean ES2 hugest maps would be like a segmentum tops--and much like the Risk style play of Dawn of War 1 Dark Crusade and get to do an actual galaxy wipe. I've craved this game since forever and it saddens and baffles me that there's a 40k game in literally EVERY SINGLE DAMN GENRE, EVEN CHESS FFS *except* the one damn genre the whole setting was practically made for: space 4x. The closest we ever got was Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 and Gladius, but the one is literally just a single world setting (so basically it's like any other 40k game, scaled down even because Inquisitor Martyr and Rogue Trader I can fly around, in others I can fight over sectors) the other is just giving me clusters of systems. I know I know, it's practically impossible to actually do this in a realistic way for the same reason we can never see an easy win for any faction within the next couple thousand years, but still. Space 4x I'd want in a heartbeat. I guess it would just be really weird to pull off because traditional space 4x rely on Risk-like territories, or even RTS like contiguous national territories, as opposed to 40k where everyone except like the Tau is fairly distributed all over the galaxy. So you'd have worlds within everybody's territory and I don't know how to deal with that. You'd basically have active threat borders and active wars at all directions at all times and it'd make any remotely accurate depiction a rather interesting inversion of traditional space 4x because it'd make the starting the most absolutely hectic, chaotic, desperate struggle for everybody to survive, followed by massive hegemonic blobs in a slow, long attrition grind likely looking like Chaos, necrons, nids etc. slowly just steamrolling the entire galaxy hundreds of worlds at each turn in a slow but steady grind. I really don't know how you should do that one accurately but I would love to play a total galaxy wipe non-canon 40k space 4x where you could more or less decide how 40k itself actually ends. Who knows. Maybe even the Tau could convert the Eldar and Mankind to Greater Good and slowly impose order on the whole galaxy lol.
I feel ya mate, I have to check footage from 3 cameras at my workplace from 26.06 to 5.07 so it adds up to something around 110 hours of footage that I have to check minute by minute and it's going painfully slowly
15:30 Abandons goal to conquer the Imperium is an incredibly monumental task. He has more things to worry about than just the Imperium. 48:40 How Chaos usually operates regarding campaign tactics.
I've said this before, but there is nothing better than a random Luetin drop. Almost an hour, too?! Thank you, Loremaster. Work just got a little bit better.
Right. I saved it till after midnight, and pretend it's my birthday present! My brain was like oooooooh Luetin wants me to be well rested for tomorrow.
37:16 a good explanation would be that they literally never had a clue about chaos. Remember that the Eye of Terror is where the Eldar homeworlds once were. The network of pylons surrounding it was probably just part of the conflict between the Eldar and Necrons.
Thinking about it a little more tho, it's totally plausible that the chronomancers could've seen into the future and found that, maybe not what's known as Chaos now, but _something_ would emerge from there. Or maybe that area is where the Enslaver Plague of all things started and they were fighting them too, who knows lmao
From recent snippets in White Dwarf magazines, we learned more specific details about the Eye of Terror. Apparently, it was a wound in reality that was torn during the War in Heaven. Then the Necrons closed the wound again with the pylons, but unfortunately, the core of the Eldar Empire happened to be were the old rift was located. The birth of Slaanesh ripped the wound open again, and that's the Eye of Terra we know today. I had the impression that many fans hated this kind of retcon, but I'm okay with it
@@Schmierhaar that is kinda lame imo. It'd be far cooler if it was just because of the warfare between the Eldar and Necrons. But I don't really hate that either.
Never really was interested in 40k . Came across your channel and just can’t get enough of it! Thanks for bringing me into this chaotic fold of a galaxy 🤘🏻
Luetin, I love your videos, but especially your Tyranid videos. Since you’ve been revisiting/redoing some of your older videos, it would be awesome to see you redo your video on the first encounter between the Imperium of Man and the Tyranids at Tyran Primus and Macragge during the First Tyrannic War. That video is my absolute favorite of all your videos and it would be great if it got touched up. The Emperor protects.
Firstly, this one is super meaty and fun to chew over. Umami abounds. Secondly, you touched on it, but I don't think you stressed enough that an Imperium significantly weakened by Chaos writes an end to Chaos, as other factions opportunistcally erase humanity as Chaos' major energy source. Third: who's next? Tyranninds, I think, as they seek no control, merely resources. Definitely save the Imperium for your final or penultimate installment, with the Tau and/or other smaller factions being last or just prior. Finally, as always, my thanks. You make my world a richer place.
Some say the Emperor’s light reaches to the far corners of the galaxy. I say it shines right through my phone every time I open a luetin video. Praise be.
I'm grateful for having you in the community. Your knowledge of the lore is awe inspiring and you manage to create hour-long videos that make time fly. Thank you for being you Lore Master.
He said the original goal was to cover what all factions would look like but Chaos became an entire video. I think we’ll slowly get most of them, though the imperium isn’t just one faction, that could be a series.
If Chaos was a parasite, then the death of its host would be only a Pyhrric victory for a short amount of time before it would look for another more healthy host lest it die along with it. Tzeentch is vastly underestimated in how far it would go to ensure the Great Game never ends to the point of self-destruction just enough to continue and even the odds for those Chaos preys upon.
Good video. Only piece I think you may have missed is Eldar assisting the Imperium against chaos. Eldrad, Yvranne, ... even the Avatar in Shadow Point. Numerically, I'm not sure this amounts to much, but strategically it could be a force multiplier toward both races' goals. Granted those are likely esoteric interactions compared to direct conflict between them. Eldrad or a unified Aeldari in concert with the two returned primarchs' acumen pairs up well. On the other end, while I doubt the Godblight would be something to kill the Emperor - at least in GW's continuation of the lore - it could severely weaken the Emperor or raise the stakes in the Great Game (if the Emperor is ascending).
Looking at what would be required for the Tyranids to dominate and achieve their "win" status would probably be the most obvious interesting followup, considering how they're always presented as one of, if not 'the' ultimate threat the galaxy faces. But on the other hand, the sheer improbability and herculean feat of the Tau achieving theirs would also make a very fun topic to explore, considering just how high they would need to be punching above their weight class to even reach a hundredth of what would be required.
Started the lore series from the start on a firetv, just got it going in the background, didn't really notice but my dog has strangely been wanting to hangout in here, which is unusual as he prefers watching the wildlife outside and sleeps in the living room. But today just happened to play something else, no dog. Till now, just resumed and here he comes hanging out in here I can only assume to listen to 40k lore.
There is something very uplifting about being able to eat my last protein meal after gym at 4am because my sleep schedule is messed up from bar work while I study for my masters degree and listen to this Warhammer video. Thank-you Luetin for being part of a community that stretches across every subculture and makes one and all feel welcome. 💖
AoS is actually an exploration of exactly this scenario. Chaos just straight up won in the Mortal Realms, and the Age of Sigmar is the age in which the other forces take steps back onto the stage of the Mortal Realms
Love this. Chaos is such an interesting faction as a whole. The Imperium achieving total domination would be interesting because I don't know if they would be able to adapt to an existence without war. Even if they somehow evaded any chaos corruption, they would likely still be armed to stop revolts. I suppose then the risk would just be humanity going back to regional factions.
Ironically if Imperium won and defeated all its enemies it would have to reform greatly to be able to operate in oeace time. If they don't do it or fail it - Imperium will be destroyed by rebellions and revolutions from within because without outside threats people ( and planetar elites too ) will see no reasons to support opressive regime. The enemies of Imperium are the dire threat to it, by there are also the very thing what keeps it together.
@Broadside. obviously all life being consumed in the galaxy would be pure bliss. But I'll settle for mass suffering as I laugh on my mini throne of skulls
I'm gonna be honest Chaos Undivided is something I happy to not see happening. If the current chaos presence is just fallen out figures from the war table that is the warp itself, I'm horrified to think about what could Chaos achieve if they would take a serious interest in the mortal realm. Thank you for this video Loremaster, I just love hearing about chaos stuff.
I find it as a paradox, a hypocrisy. For chaos to become unified, the warp needs to bound. Probably the gods to die and be formed a new. If anything I think it would take a thing to draw the union of the gods. I would assume another God forming or something that distorts warp, like Necron or Tyranid. Even then the gods would still make plays. I mean didn't Tzeetch stop himself from winning to make it interesting? I feel like they would never unify at current form and lore. Unless GW decides to go, "You're all friends now"
Luetin talking about original narratives. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't been approached by GamesWorkshop to write an official lore book. He is literally THE lore master on YT.
"greetings, inquisitor. yes, its this one inquisitor. yes, the same one as always, inquisitor. the emperor protects indeed, inquisitor. bye inquisitor."
I think Chaos absolutely would just destroy the Galaxy if they were capable of it. What makes me say this? They've done it before. Chaos in 40K is canonically the same Chaos in Warhammer Fantasy. The Chaos Gods are not just fighting across the galaxy but across countless unknown dimensions, realms, and verses. They would claim ultimate victory over the other forces of the galaxy and destroy everything in an orgy of bloodshed and mayhem because they could simply turn their attention to another of their playgrounds.
19:55 - Alpharius clearly says that if the Emperor wins, everyone dies because it prolongs Chaos. If the Emperor dies, then Chaos destroys humanity but then burns itself out and everyone else lives. He stated that in Siege of Terra and another book. Keeping in mind, that Alpharius is an unreliable narrator.
There would still probably be villages, towns, or even worlds where everything would go on just as normal. Even in warp some worlds seem to be just weirdly normal. Warp is sort of infinite so it fits all kinds. Most of it of course would just be torture. But even chaos knows that without hope torture is meaningless.
For all its silliness and over-the-topness (look i invented a word) i often feel like warhammer 40k is one of the only sci-fi works that truly makes you fell how freking huge a galaxy really is, compared even to more “scientifically accurate” sci-fi
I love this idea! Maybe hit the easy ones first, like Nids, and then move onto other factions, slowly moving to the hardest ones like Tau and... Squats.
Would love to see a discussion of what the hell the elf boys and girls would even do if they could actually kill slaanesh and somehow re-establish the heart of their empire by closing the eye of Terror
@@caiohenrique1603 dark eldar do what they do to avoid their souls being taken by slaanesh. With slaanesh out of the picture there would likely be some type of civil war between the dark eldar as some of their number would try to become more like craftworld edar while others might want to stick to piracy and homonculi anyway. Maybe craftworld eldar would interviene. Either way, gomorrah would be changed forever and it-s possible the destruction and vacuum left over from this conflict would be fertile ground for the creation of a new xenos faction, eldar or otherwise
I don't believe they could actually kill Slaanesh(it would be a retarded business move because Slaanesh sells). Instead, I think GW would just have them no longer go to Slaanesh by default.
Luetin comin in hot for the weekend. Things I’m interested in: 1. What’s stopping (or can stop) the tyranids from total domination given a long enough timeframe? 2. What are the different ways (if any) can the Emperor return to Glory? 3. Can Batman take the Emperor with prep time?
@@LunarLocustI honestly see batman trying to reson with them, then realising he is screwed. Might survive it though, he ain't dumb, but his plan might fall.
Was watching another my favorite content creator on RUclips while scrolling thru my feed, saw a new Luetin09 video was up and was like “Hell Yea” and did a warp jump to the video. Man, you got that kinda effect on people with these vids.
Which chaos god would reign supreme on earth do you think? I'd guess slaanesh, people, especially these days, are far more selfish and chasing that next minor thrill Nurgle might be too icky, but people might turn to him for protection if there were disease outbreaks Khorne would do well, lots of hate between loads of groups religious, ethnic, racial, cultural, national and more Tzeentch might be middling, it would require a lot of effort to become a sorcerer, and it still comes with risks (possession, mutation, chaos spawn), but magic has that cool factor that could draw people in, and the weak might see tzeentch as a way of gaining power and strength if physical strength is not possible
@@ragnarian Tzeentch middling in nowadays? Nah, not at all, deceit, hope, lies, manipulation... The worldwide political panorama is nowadays an umfathomable tribute to The Changer or Ways
I think that if chaos ever "won" the galaxy would become an ever changing mosaic of minor fiefdoms. Each one ruled by a local warlord or high priest and extending only as far as their influence reaches.
In my mind, the only faction that could conquer the galaxy is the Tyranids, and it's surprisingly easy for them to do so on paper; they are ridiculously overpowered. Defeating all mortal foes is feasible for them, which just leaves the Warp. Even if they didn't have their Shadow in the Warp effect, the scouring of all other life in the galaxy should weaken Chaos substantially, perhaps even to the point where the Chaos Gods lose sentience or, at the very least, can no longer influence realspace. And once they were victorious, they wouldn't need to worry about administering an empire, maintaining the happiness of their citizens, or any of that nonsense. They'd just move on to the next galaxy.
The necrons are a *hard* counter to the Nids. Even the Tyranids avoid tomb worlds. The necrons don't have biomass to absorb and have tech so dangerous even they don't use it
If it weren't for plot reasons, the end game of the galaxy would simply be 'crons and 'nids, guest starring the orks from time to time. *I would love that so goddamn much.*
1. Perpetual war and suffering from the material universe 2. Inexhaustible supply of emotions 3. Great Games 4. Cultists and Fanatics I think Chaos has already won
I'm always more interested in aeldari/ drukhari lore so what i want next is obvious. But i'd be curious to know what you think the end game for them would look like apart from the obvious "slaanesh bad"
@@fix0the0spadenot really, they want a nice species with soul so they can try and transfer themselves back into a living body. So the necrons would be angrily going back to sleep
Luetin, you are so precious! Never stop doing what you do best. I play your videos to put me to sleep but it has an adverse effect. Your words are so enthralling that my mind is fixated on it and I become more awake.
As impossible as it is considering the numbers involved but what if the harlequins and ynari were successful in their goals. Even more so with necrons as both would have serious implications mostly on chaos in one case destroying slanesh and the second fully separating the warp from real space and we have no idea what issues that would exactly cause on both sides of the warp.
Excellent. Even though not a single thing over the last 20 years has ever made me see Chaos as anything but being anathema to civilization and yes, Evil, I always welcome an hour of lore rambles.
This raises an interesting question, Warp exists in other galaxies such as Andromeda or the Pinwheel Galaxy, in addition these galaxies share the same Gods of Chaos and each one has its individual, this would make a great video. 
All 4 chaos gods have elements that bleed into the others, so I doubt they could truly overpower one another definetily. Decay requires change, fueling Tszeentch. Tszeentch requiring change will eventually lead to excess, death, bloodshed. Khorne revelling in bloodshed fuels into excess and decay. Excess leads to change, bloodshed and eventuall decay in it's wake. It is a wobbling but ironically balanced swirl of chaos.
It says in the new core book that the living in the imperium is the worst existence imaginable but I feel like if chaos would be far worse some people in the imperium have horrible fates done upon them but if chaos ruled that would be the norm
this would be interesting. i mean he could be malice.they kinda have things in common,like wanting to kill the other chaos god,he has saints(demon princes), legion of the damend could be his demons,he is empowered by worship and sacrifice. if this is not the case,he could be ome a god with all the sacrifice and worship he got over 10k years
@@aliushali6352 Exactly my point. A lot of people say he will become a chaos god with all those sacrifices and worshippers when he comes off the throne
Don't know about other factions, but Chaos for sure will never succeed in ruling or conquering the Imperium. Because within the Imperium there is force more chaotic than Chaos gods, force more hectic then Eye of Terror, more complicated than any Tzeentchian scheme and that is Adeptus Administratum. Sorry Abbadon but you are missing one paper, denied, get out.
Oh Warhammer 40,000 is going to go away and we will get some new franchise where each faction has their own Galaxy, Chaos will have a Galaxy, Necrons will have a Galaxy, Orks will have a Galaxy, Tau will have a Quasar or Magellan Cloud or something. Eldar will have some sort of wraithbone connected craftworldls orbit around a dyson sphere of wraithbone.
I was going to write this huge thing explaining what I think GW will do when the time comes and also what I think they should do and how all of it would work. And then also how the human race could come back into power but honestly, I really doubt it would go anywhere and the chances of the person I wrote it all for actually reading it is slim! So unless asked by that person I’ll leave it with this! It’s another great video and I love watching this channel! I just wished you guys would cover some of the stuff I wished you would! Oh well
Both the necron and the tyranids are both the 2 players most set up for the ultimate victory. In most factions when discussing what they would need to win it almost always an “if”. If the Imperium could gain a small respite from the endless onslaught ,if the Eldar could be free from the ever present threat of Slannesh, if Chaos could ever unite, so on and so forth with almost every faction. But for the Necron and the Tyranid it’s no longer an “if” but a “when”. For the Necron you have 2 opposing factions the Silent King and the Storm Lord. So once the inevitable showdown happens between them the Necron would be, save a few small dynasties, completely united. On top of this for each tomb world that comes back online the balance of power shifts tips more and more in the Necron’s favor. For the Tyranid it’s pretty simple their ultimate victory comes when the main swarm arrives. Of course though, if we even live long enough to see the Warhammer 40,000’s end times, the faction that wins will always be the one that drives the most model sales, and the lore will simply change to reflect that.
I think what you said at the end could relate to a similar situation as in Isaac Asimovs The gods themselves, where humanity starts trading matter with beings in a different universe with different atomic laws, so that both essentially create energy for free, but they discover that bringing matter from another universe also brings a bit of their laws over, so the threat becomes that the local change in the strong nuclear force would cause the sun to go supernova. Maybe real space also bleeds into the warp same as the warp bleeds into the materium. Seeing as daemons hate reality, maybe the gods dont want to pollute their realm with physics any more than necessary.
Pure excellence. Thank you. Your content and quality draws me every time where I can allow myself to just listen/watch without care and enjoy an immersion from another point of view. I don't know what else to say, it means a lot :) Well done.
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Good vid bro, 8.4/10
tyranids for sure bro the ALGO (and to a lesser extent me :)) would enjoy
The Orks could, but if they did they would then only have each other to fight, with no active challenge to motivate them they'd just slowly devolve into a bunch of scattered pockets that would occasionally rise and fall until there was nothing left to fight over.
The Imperium, Eldar, and yes regrettably the tau are the only species i could see having a stable future after galactic domination.
Orks, always 😂
If chaos got anywhere close to total victory, Tzeentch would flip the table and sabotage his own side to keep things interesting.
*Chaos begins winning*
*Chaos begins losing and they don't know why*
*Zeentch eating the pieces when no one's looking*
Tzeentch is that one friend in your group that need to be watched when playing Minecraft
Good point. The god playing against itself would create a foe equal to it's own own strength.
Yep. Tzeentch isn't really the most direct chaos god. I just really want a meme with Frank Renyolds as Tzeentch poking the other gods off the side of a building with a 2x4 now. "OH NO YOU DON'T"
...and Khorne would still thirst for any skulls, Nurgle would still cook up diseases for everybody and Slaanesh would still be irritating to all.
Like Orks, they are always fighting each other and you just get caught in the mix.
The lore master goes a little heretical with this one boys.
The path of those with "inquisitive" minds always lead to chaos. 😢
@@Wafflecat09blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
The Emporor protects. Fear not.
Heresy? Yes please
"Hello, Inquisition?, Yes I've got something I think you should see. Ah, no, please don't send any Grey Knights..."
Luetin Sleep Club Anyone ?
His voice is just so relaxing, even if he's describing horrific darkgrim lore 😂😂
I tend to listen to his videos first when playing some games then use them on repeat for sleeping xD
I sleep with em on, and listen to whatever I miss at breakfast the next day. Basically watch em all twice and pleased to do so, the content is immense
Sleep gang for life
I must've watched each of his videos at least a dozen times, knocks me tf out besides being very enjoyable
It's 630pm right now. Iv got to drive 12 and a half hours and leave by 1 am. Lore master help me rest.
The Emperor protects.
I´m gonna need to refresh my purity seals after this one, but it will be well worth it.
Thank you, Luetin.
I imagine a chaos victory would look like the Imperium Nihilus. An ever shifting set of Warlords battling for territory and favour while galaxy itself becomes a vast hellscape.
imperium nihilus is but mere foreplay when compared to a total Chaos victory envelopment
@@ffejpsycho sshh don't tease the dark gods that way.
@@roryspickett9881 but its the only thing they truly respect!
The Inquisition will definitely be knocking on your door, Leutin. Great work. You are the lore master
Informative and helpful, damned Heretic.
@@PrivateerXTR He may be a heretic, but he's a lore master heretic
10 Skitarii legions stand ready to repel them!
They can’t find him because he’s using an STC called “VPN”
@@theotv5522 *angry Tech Priest noises*
Having *Chaos Undivided* going on a Galaxy wide Bughunt to push the Tyranids out to protect their Soul"Lifesstock" would be an epic Campaign!
OH GOD please pls pls please GM let us have just one damn Space 4x game like this, like Endless Space 2, where we get to actually play a vast galaxy size map--obviously nowhere near ES2 I mean ES2 hugest maps would be like a segmentum tops--and much like the Risk style play of Dawn of War 1 Dark Crusade and get to do an actual galaxy wipe. I've craved this game since forever and it saddens and baffles me that there's a 40k game in literally EVERY SINGLE DAMN GENRE, EVEN CHESS FFS *except* the one damn genre the whole setting was practically made for: space 4x. The closest we ever got was Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 and Gladius, but the one is literally just a single world setting (so basically it's like any other 40k game, scaled down even because Inquisitor Martyr and Rogue Trader I can fly around, in others I can fight over sectors) the other is just giving me clusters of systems.
I know I know, it's practically impossible to actually do this in a realistic way for the same reason we can never see an easy win for any faction within the next couple thousand years, but still. Space 4x I'd want in a heartbeat. I guess it would just be really weird to pull off because traditional space 4x rely on Risk-like territories, or even RTS like contiguous national territories, as opposed to 40k where everyone except like the Tau is fairly distributed all over the galaxy. So you'd have worlds within everybody's territory and I don't know how to deal with that. You'd basically have active threat borders and active wars at all directions at all times and it'd make any remotely accurate depiction a rather interesting inversion of traditional space 4x because it'd make the starting the most absolutely hectic, chaotic, desperate struggle for everybody to survive, followed by massive hegemonic blobs in a slow, long attrition grind likely looking like Chaos, necrons, nids etc. slowly just steamrolling the entire galaxy hundreds of worlds at each turn in a slow but steady grind.
I really don't know how you should do that one accurately but I would love to play a total galaxy wipe non-canon 40k space 4x where you could more or less decide how 40k itself actually ends. Who knows. Maybe even the Tau could convert the Eldar and Mankind to Greater Good and slowly impose order on the whole galaxy lol.
My freaking hero Luetin!
Doing a 20 hour+ work report and was getting sleepy and then you drop this :D PERFECT TIMING! You are loved mate!
So you instantly fell asleep?
@@Bloodworiabruh lmfao 😂
I feel ya mate, I have to check footage from 3 cameras at my workplace from 26.06 to 5.07 so it adds up to something around 110 hours of footage that I have to check minute by minute and it's going painfully slowly
@@marcinwitkowski217security work?
@@popcornfilms1 yup + running the reception
Thanks for all the great lore videos over the years.
What if Chaos ruled the Galaxy?
To paraphrase one of the Ciaphas Cain books, "It would be really, really bad,"
It's not a matter of if but when.
@@grandfathernurgle2840Necrons: Bet
15:30 Abandons goal to conquer the Imperium is an incredibly monumental task. He has more things to worry about than just the Imperium. 48:40 How Chaos usually operates regarding campaign tactics.
But his ultimate goal is the destruction of the Imperium. Once that's achieved, it's true chaos
I mean. He's really more concerned with just wrecking up the place tho right?
Ah, winning is easy, young man, governing's harder
@@ikhidealigbeh514occupations never succeed
@@Micsmathats just not true
I've said this before, but there is nothing better than a random Luetin drop. Almost an hour, too?! Thank you, Loremaster. Work just got a little bit better.
Right. I saved it till after midnight, and pretend it's my birthday present! My brain was like oooooooh Luetin wants me to be well rested for tomorrow.
Just stop it
"Orcs are a persistent and random problem" - is a pretty comprehensive description of this race.
37:16 a good explanation would be that they literally never had a clue about chaos. Remember that the Eye of Terror is where the Eldar homeworlds once were. The network of pylons surrounding it was probably just part of the conflict between the Eldar and Necrons.
Thinking about it a little more tho, it's totally plausible that the chronomancers could've seen into the future and found that, maybe not what's known as Chaos now, but _something_ would emerge from there. Or maybe that area is where the Enslaver Plague of all things started and they were fighting them too, who knows lmao
From recent snippets in White Dwarf magazines, we learned more specific details about the Eye of Terror. Apparently, it was a wound in reality that was torn during the War in Heaven. Then the Necrons closed the wound again with the pylons, but unfortunately, the core of the Eldar Empire happened to be were the old rift was located. The birth of Slaanesh ripped the wound open again, and that's the Eye of Terra we know today. I had the impression that many fans hated this kind of retcon, but I'm okay with it
@@Schmierhaar that is kinda lame imo. It'd be far cooler if it was just because of the warfare between the Eldar and Necrons. But I don't really hate that either.
Never really was interested in 40k . Came across your channel and just can’t get enough of it! Thanks for bringing me into this chaotic fold of a galaxy 🤘🏻
Luetin, I love your videos, but especially your Tyranid videos. Since you’ve been revisiting/redoing some of your older videos, it would be awesome to see you redo your video on the first encounter between the Imperium of Man and the Tyranids at Tyran Primus and Macragge during the First Tyrannic War. That video is my absolute favorite of all your videos and it would be great if it got touched up.
The Emperor protects.
Firstly, this one is super meaty and fun to chew over. Umami abounds. Secondly, you touched on it, but I don't think you stressed enough that an Imperium significantly weakened by Chaos writes an end to Chaos, as other factions opportunistcally erase humanity as Chaos' major energy source.
Third: who's next? Tyranninds, I think, as they seek no control, merely resources. Definitely save the Imperium for your final or penultimate installment, with the Tau and/or other smaller factions being last or just prior.
Finally, as always, my thanks. You make my world a richer place.
I can say without a shadow of a doubt I get more excited about Luetin videos than anybody else on youtube.
Heresy
i hope you clean up afterwards
@@marsar1775 in the name of the emperor tho
Add The Exploring Series and Volgun to that list.
Some say the Emperor’s light reaches to the far corners of the galaxy. I say it shines right through my phone every time I open a luetin video. Praise be.
Can’t stop thinking about the Great Rift existing as a metaphysical firebreak for the Old Ones during the War in Heaven
Please do more of these. I love theoretical discussions like this
Your welcome
Wasn't expecting this one and that's a good thing thank you kind sir!!
I'm grateful for having you in the community.
Your knowledge of the lore is awe inspiring and you manage to create hour-long videos that make time fly.
Thank you for being you Lore Master.
God bless you
I love the thought experiment if a galaxy rules by Tau where everyone is best buddies. A video is n their ideal would be an amazing thing to consider.
I'd love to see a similar video regarding the Eldar. Or the Imperium.
We know what an elder dominated galaxy looks like, it birthed slaanesh.
He said the original goal was to cover what all factions would look like but Chaos became an entire video. I think we’ll slowly get most of them, though the imperium isn’t just one faction, that could be a series.
that's a great point! Would a series necessarily be a "bad" thing? ;)@@inthefade
Everyone deserves a second chance...@@LunarLocust
@@TeacherTaj I would agree if they hadn't murder fucked a chaos god into existence
Legend, can never get enough of the long-form lore videos, you are solely responsible for getting me into 40k leutin
I don't think I've ever even SEEN a 40k model, but holy hell is the lore up my alley...
If Chaos was a parasite, then the death of its host would be only a Pyhrric victory for a short amount of time before it would look for another more healthy host lest it die along with it.
Tzeentch is vastly underestimated in how far it would go to ensure the Great Game never ends to the point of self-destruction just enough to continue and even the odds for those Chaos preys upon.
This seems like a good audio to fall asleep to
Luetin: Logistical nightmare
Guilliman: Did someone say Logistics??? excel premium intensifies*
Good video. Only piece I think you may have missed is Eldar assisting the Imperium against chaos. Eldrad, Yvranne, ... even the Avatar in Shadow Point. Numerically, I'm not sure this amounts to much, but strategically it could be a force multiplier toward both races' goals. Granted those are likely esoteric interactions compared to direct conflict between them. Eldrad or a unified Aeldari in concert with the two returned primarchs' acumen pairs up well.
On the other end, while I doubt the Godblight would be something to kill the Emperor - at least in GW's continuation of the lore - it could severely weaken the Emperor or raise the stakes in the Great Game (if the Emperor is ascending).
Looking at what would be required for the Tyranids to dominate and achieve their "win" status would probably be the most obvious interesting followup, considering how they're always presented as one of, if not 'the' ultimate threat the galaxy faces.
But on the other hand, the sheer improbability and herculean feat of the Tau achieving theirs would also make a very fun topic to explore, considering just how high they would need to be punching above their weight class to even reach a hundredth of what would be required.
Each tau a god
Started the lore series from the start on a firetv, just got it going in the background, didn't really notice but my dog has strangely been wanting to hangout in here, which is unusual as he prefers watching the wildlife outside and sleeps in the living room. But today just happened to play something else, no dog. Till now, just resumed and here he comes hanging out in here I can only assume to listen to 40k lore.
There is something very uplifting about being able to eat my last protein meal after gym at 4am because my sleep schedule is messed up from bar work while I study for my masters degree and listen to this Warhammer video. Thank-you Luetin for being part of a community that stretches across every subculture and makes one and all feel welcome. 💖
AoS is actually an exploration of exactly this scenario. Chaos just straight up won in the Mortal Realms, and the Age of Sigmar is the age in which the other forces take steps back onto the stage of the Mortal Realms
Love this. Chaos is such an interesting faction as a whole. The Imperium achieving total domination would be interesting because I don't know if they would be able to adapt to an existence without war. Even if they somehow evaded any chaos corruption, they would likely still be armed to stop revolts. I suppose then the risk would just be humanity going back to regional factions.
Ironically if Imperium won and defeated all its enemies it would have to reform greatly to be able to operate in oeace time. If they don't do it or fail it - Imperium will be destroyed by rebellions and revolutions from within because without outside threats people ( and planetar elites too ) will see no reasons to support opressive regime. The enemies of Imperium are the dire threat to it, by there are also the very thing what keeps it together.
"Chaos gods pay momentary atension"
Tzeentch having adhd with the universe
If chaos ruled the galaxy I might finally find happiness
Aren't you a Tyranid player? 😏
@Broadside. obviously all life being consumed in the galaxy would be pure bliss. But I'll settle for mass suffering as I laugh on my mini throne of skulls
@@NornQueenKyago to church
Me: "Man, I could really use something long-form to chill this afternoon."
[Luetin has entered the chat]
I'm gonna be honest Chaos Undivided is something I happy to not see happening. If the current chaos presence is just fallen out figures from the war table that is the warp itself, I'm horrified to think about what could Chaos achieve if they would take a serious interest in the mortal realm. Thank you for this video Loremaster, I just love hearing about chaos stuff.
I find it as a paradox, a hypocrisy. For chaos to become unified, the warp needs to bound. Probably the gods to die and be formed a new. If anything I think it would take a thing to draw the union of the gods. I would assume another God forming or something that distorts warp, like Necron or Tyranid. Even then the gods would still make plays. I mean didn't Tzeetch stop himself from winning to make it interesting? I feel like they would never unify at current form and lore. Unless GW decides to go, "You're all friends now"
It would all mellow down and the warp would return to a calm state. A new clean slate for life to regrow.
Luetin talking about original narratives. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't been approached by GamesWorkshop to write an official lore book. He is literally THE lore master on YT.
"greetings, inquisitor. yes, its this one inquisitor. yes, the same one as always, inquisitor. the emperor protects indeed, inquisitor. bye inquisitor."
I think Chaos absolutely would just destroy the Galaxy if they were capable of it. What makes me say this? They've done it before. Chaos in 40K is canonically the same Chaos in Warhammer Fantasy. The Chaos Gods are not just fighting across the galaxy but across countless unknown dimensions, realms, and verses. They would claim ultimate victory over the other forces of the galaxy and destroy everything in an orgy of bloodshed and mayhem because they could simply turn their attention to another of their playgrounds.
19:55 - Alpharius clearly says that if the Emperor wins, everyone dies because it prolongs Chaos. If the Emperor dies, then Chaos destroys humanity but then burns itself out and everyone else lives. He stated that in Siege of Terra and another book. Keeping in mind, that Alpharius is an unreliable narrator.
This is a lie.
@@ThirdCydonian LOL
There would still probably be villages, towns, or even worlds where everything would go on just as normal. Even in warp some worlds seem to be just weirdly normal. Warp is sort of infinite so it fits all kinds. Most of it of course would just be torture. But even chaos knows that without hope torture is meaningless.
For all its silliness and over-the-topness (look i invented a word) i often feel like warhammer 40k is one of the only sci-fi works that truly makes you fell how freking huge a galaxy really is, compared even to more “scientifically accurate” sci-fi
I love this idea! Maybe hit the easy ones first, like Nids, and then move onto other factions, slowly moving to the hardest ones like Tau and... Squats.
Just got home, sitting down to have dinner, your timing is perfect!
Also the answer to the title is obviously a Utopia
Would love to see a discussion of what the hell the elf boys and girls would even do if they could actually kill slaanesh and somehow re-establish the heart of their empire by closing the eye of Terror
if their arses are still doing nasty stuff, she's coming back in the blink of an eye (talking about the dark eldar)
@@caiohenrique1603 dark eldar do what they do to avoid their souls being taken by slaanesh. With slaanesh out of the picture there would likely be some type of civil war between the dark eldar as some of their number would try to become more like craftworld edar while others might want to stick to piracy and homonculi anyway. Maybe craftworld eldar would interviene. Either way, gomorrah would be changed forever and it-s possible the destruction and vacuum left over from this conflict would be fertile ground for the creation of a new xenos faction, eldar or otherwise
I don't believe they could actually kill Slaanesh(it would be a retarded business move because Slaanesh sells). Instead, I think GW would just have them no longer go to Slaanesh by default.
@@victorrosenheart8036they could do what the elven gods did in AOS, which was chain up Slannesh, severely weakening it.
@@casmd2131 Which is totally bullshit and honestly really annoying lore detail. Slaanesh is the best Chaos God
shout out to you luetin! you were my first introduction to 40k lore and part of the reason I've decided to start collecting the books!
Luetin comin in hot for the weekend.
Things I’m interested in:
1. What’s stopping (or can stop) the tyranids from total domination given a long enough timeframe?
2. What are the different ways (if any) can the Emperor return to Glory?
3. Can Batman take the Emperor with prep time?
1) the emperor
2) the emperor is glory incarnate, heretic
3) no, but he could probably take a sororitas
@@LunarLocustI honestly see batman trying to reson with them, then realising he is screwed.
Might survive it though, he ain't dumb, but his plan might fall.
Was watching another my favorite content creator on RUclips while scrolling thru my feed, saw a new Luetin09 video was up and was like “Hell Yea” and did a warp jump to the video. Man, you got that kinda effect on people with these vids.
Our world would be on a whole new of chaos if 40k warhammer shenanigans got into our world
Which chaos god would reign supreme on earth do you think?
I'd guess slaanesh, people, especially these days, are far more selfish and chasing that next minor thrill
Nurgle might be too icky, but people might turn to him for protection if there were disease outbreaks
Khorne would do well, lots of hate between loads of groups religious, ethnic, racial, cultural, national and more
Tzeentch might be middling, it would require a lot of effort to become a sorcerer, and it still comes with risks (possession, mutation, chaos spawn), but magic has that cool factor that could draw people in, and the weak might see tzeentch as a way of gaining power and strength if physical strength is not possible
@@ragnarian Tzeentch middling in nowadays? Nah, not at all, deceit, hope, lies, manipulation... The worldwide political panorama is nowadays an umfathomable tribute to The Changer or Ways
After the revolution, who's going to clean up the corpses on Monday?
Robute Guilliman - Probably
I think that if chaos ever "won" the galaxy would become an ever changing mosaic of minor fiefdoms. Each one ruled by a local warlord or high priest and extending only as far as their influence reaches.
So freaking cozy laying down and listening to this nightmare!
In my mind, the only faction that could conquer the galaxy is the Tyranids, and it's surprisingly easy for them to do so on paper; they are ridiculously overpowered. Defeating all mortal foes is feasible for them, which just leaves the Warp. Even if they didn't have their Shadow in the Warp effect, the scouring of all other life in the galaxy should weaken Chaos substantially, perhaps even to the point where the Chaos Gods lose sentience or, at the very least, can no longer influence realspace. And once they were victorious, they wouldn't need to worry about administering an empire, maintaining the happiness of their citizens, or any of that nonsense. They'd just move on to the next galaxy.
Not to mention hive fleet Kronos, the anti-warp/Daemon fleet that is closing the Great rift where it goes
*Distant Necron laughter*
The necrons are a *hard* counter to the Nids. Even the Tyranids avoid tomb worlds. The necrons don't have biomass to absorb and have tech so dangerous even they don't use it
this is a great idea for a series. Personally I would like you to take a look at tyranids next.
Chaos would be bored as sin if they won honestly
If it weren't for plot reasons, the end game of the galaxy would simply be 'crons and 'nids, guest starring the orks from time to time.
*I would love that so goddamn much.*
1. Perpetual war and suffering from the material universe
2. Inexhaustible supply of emotions
3. Great Games
4. Cultists and Fanatics
I think Chaos has already won
more of this yes please i like the idea of taking the factions to the logical conclusion this has great series potential
I'm always more interested in aeldari/ drukhari lore so what i want next is obvious. But i'd be curious to know what you think the end game for them would look like apart from the obvious "slaanesh bad"
i absolutely love the idea of a series like this! The Tyranids would be a fun thing to tackle next, follows the topic of chaos rather well
I can answer the tyranids one for you: they eat everything and move in to the next galaxy
The Necrons sit around in the now empty Galaxy thinking, "well this is nice,"
@@fix0the0spadenot really, they want a nice species with soul so they can try and transfer themselves back into a living body.
So the necrons would be angrily going back to sleep
Would love to hear your take on a happy-go-lucky-favourite-fungi galactic domination.
The only happy ending.
@@dembro27nahhh if win galaxy who fite? Big sad.
@@ImBarryScottCSSyou can always fight each other
TOTAL ORK VICTORY
praise thy lore master for this cherished content after a hard day on the tools. emperor be with you sir. cheers
0:27 the three L's xD
Luetin, you are so precious! Never stop doing what you do best. I play your videos to put me to sleep but it has an adverse effect. Your words are so enthralling that my mind is fixated on it and I become more awake.
As impossible as it is considering the numbers involved but what if the harlequins and ynari were successful in their goals. Even more so with necrons as both would have serious implications mostly on chaos in one case destroying slanesh and the second fully separating the warp from real space and we have no idea what issues that would exactly cause on both sides of the warp.
Excellent.
Even though not a single thing over the last 20 years has ever made me see Chaos as anything but being anathema to civilization and yes, Evil, I always welcome an hour of lore rambles.
Luetin sleep club where we at 🙏
WHAT?! New lore so soon? I've only just finished digesting Vigilus 2, praise the Emperor/grandfather Nurgle.
This raises an interesting question, Warp exists in other galaxies such as Andromeda or the Pinwheel Galaxy, in addition these galaxies share the same Gods of Chaos and each one has its individual, this would make a great video.

Andromeda Galaxy you say. Funny you mention it.
In Andromeda from whence the nids came, there is only Khornesh: he who hungers and thirsts to kill and consume
What a thing to open RUclips to after a few beers, it’s the unexpected ones that are the best 👌
All 4 chaos gods have elements that bleed into the others, so I doubt they could truly overpower one another definetily. Decay requires change, fueling Tszeentch. Tszeentch requiring change will eventually lead to excess, death, bloodshed. Khorne revelling in bloodshed fuels into excess and decay. Excess leads to change, bloodshed and eventuall decay in it's wake. It is a wobbling but ironically balanced swirl of chaos.
Exactly.
I thank you for all the lore videos you have shared over the years as an inquisitors bullet will be visiting your forehead any second now.
It says in the new core book that the living in the imperium is the worst existence imaginable but I feel like if chaos would be far worse some people in the imperium have horrible fates done upon them but if chaos ruled that would be the norm
Imagine every Psyker drops dead on Terra and the Emperor stands up off the Throne reborn.
What about speculating whether or not the Emperor could be a Chaos God and or/ will become one
this would be interesting. i mean he could be malice.they kinda have things in common,like wanting to kill the other chaos god,he has saints(demon princes), legion of the damend could be his demons,he is empowered by worship and sacrifice. if this is not the case,he could be ome a god with all the sacrifice and worship he got over 10k years
@@aliushali6352 Exactly my point. A lot of people say he will become a chaos god with all those sacrifices and worshippers when he comes off the throne
Me going about my day, minding my own business, when suddenly the Doom music kicks in and a Luetin video drops.
"Well I guess I'm doing *this* now.."
Don't know about other factions, but Chaos for sure will never succeed in ruling or conquering the Imperium. Because within the Imperium there is force more chaotic than Chaos gods, force more hectic then Eye of Terror, more complicated than any Tzeentchian scheme and that is Adeptus Administratum. Sorry Abbadon but you are missing one paper, denied, get out.
One of the best in depth videos on this subject.
Oh Warhammer 40,000 is going to go away and we will get some new franchise where each faction has their own Galaxy, Chaos will have a Galaxy, Necrons will have a Galaxy, Orks will have a Galaxy, Tau will have a Quasar or Magellan Cloud or something. Eldar will have some sort of wraithbone connected craftworldls orbit around a dyson sphere of wraithbone.
Had to search you out dont know why the algo hasnt been prioritizing you. But quality is still top notch. Dont get discouraged
Turns out every faction in 40K is basically a dog chasing a car.
I was going to write this huge thing explaining what I think GW will do when the time comes and also what I think they should do and how all of it would work. And then also how the human race could come back into power but honestly, I really doubt it would go anywhere and the chances of the person I wrote it all for actually reading it is slim! So unless asked by that person I’ll leave it with this! It’s another great video and I love watching this channel! I just wished you guys would cover some of the stuff I wished you would! Oh well
Luetin you do not understand the joy it brings me when you post a video
A universe where papa nurgle is bestowing his gifts on everyone sounds like a paradise. He loves his children.
The Loremaster has returned with another great video!
Both the necron and the tyranids are both the 2 players most set up for the ultimate victory. In most factions when discussing what they would need to win it almost always an “if”. If the Imperium could gain a small respite from the endless onslaught ,if the Eldar could be free from the ever present threat of Slannesh, if Chaos could ever unite, so on and so forth with almost every faction. But for the Necron and the Tyranid it’s no longer an “if” but a “when”. For the Necron you have 2 opposing factions the Silent King and the Storm Lord. So once the inevitable showdown happens between them the Necron would be, save a few small dynasties, completely united. On top of this for each tomb world that comes back online the balance of power shifts tips more and more in the Necron’s favor.
For the Tyranid it’s pretty simple their ultimate victory comes when the main swarm arrives. Of course though, if we even live long enough to see the Warhammer 40,000’s end times, the faction that wins will always be the one that drives the most model sales, and the lore will simply change to reflect that.
this man has single handedly cured twenty years of insomnia for me
I think what you said at the end could relate to a similar situation as in Isaac Asimovs The gods themselves, where humanity starts trading matter with beings in a different universe with different atomic laws, so that both essentially create energy for free, but they discover that bringing matter from another universe also brings a bit of their laws over, so the threat becomes that the local change in the strong nuclear force would cause the sun to go supernova.
Maybe real space also bleeds into the warp same as the warp bleeds into the materium. Seeing as daemons hate reality, maybe the gods dont want to pollute their realm with physics any more than necessary.
Pure excellence. Thank you. Your content and quality draws me every time where I can allow myself to just listen/watch without care and enjoy an immersion from another point of view. I don't know what else to say, it means a lot :) Well done.
A man can dream of a darker future... and I like it.
Isnt it weird that i can sleep so well listening to Luetin talk about the horrors of Chaos?
Chaos already rules the galaxy. It’s the imperium trying to take it back
We have been blessed with yet another master piece.
Chaos : Wants to dominate.
Eldar : Want to resurge.
Necrons : Want back whats theirs.
Humanity : Wants to surivive.
Orcs : Waaaaaaaaaaghhh!
Tyranids : Omnomnomnomnom