BIG THANK Prof Christian David for you did the BIG PROJECT to be more smaler than I could imagine by myself. What a great Job I have had from you, Sir.
DNA, the brain, and the human species is truly one of a kind. We are able, now more than ever, to engage one another in idea and thought discussion. We should strive to better our communication skills as we continue to advance our knowledge of ourselves.
What is with some of these comments? This isn't pure speculation. It's a basic summary of many of the things we've discovered about the nature of the universe.
It would be so nice, if religious people would just let the rest of the world learn peacefully, and not try to force their unscientific 'understanding' of the world down other people throat -_-
Luckyshot The most important things are beyond science. Love. Beauty. Honor. Dignity. If life merely evolved without intelligent design, your life and mine are meaningless. Because there is no purpose in accidents.
Carlo Salcedo Pretty much all og that (love, beauty, honor and dignity) could be mostly explained by science, and the few things left... Give it a few years, then probably that too. Purpose... Why do we have to have been given a purpose? Why can't we choose our own?
If man is on his own to choose purpose and if there were no God to set what is good and what is evil, we have these questions: 1. What should it matter if man picks murder, stealing and cruelty over love, giving and kindness as his choice of what "ought to be"? 2. How do we decide the "ought to be"? Based on what? 3. In fact, why decide at all? A decision presupposes a purpose and a purpose presupposes the "ought to be." In a mechanistic / naturalistic / Godless universe (if indeed the the universe is such) there is no such thing as an "ought to be". Therefore, a Holy, Righteous, Loving, All-powerful God/Creator must logically exist.
Carlo Salcedo 1. You're implying that it does matter, so my question to you why does it have to matter that a person chooses murder and cruelty? 2. Well discussion, and opinion (=based on norm and tradition) is what i would propose. 3. Good question, but I would guess it's to everyone's benefit that you don't rob other people of their belongings, or go on killing sprees. And no I'm sry, a creator of all will never be logical, from the amount of knowledge we have now (implying that a god might exist, even though it's unlikely).
What I'm saying is quite simple: A universe that exists without any one intending it to exist is a PURPOSELESS universe. Therefore, if the universe is purposeless, you and I must be purposeless too. If, however, you choose to find and pursue a certain purpose, number one: "what for?" number 2: "based on what?" And lastly, the mere fact that we have a conception/idea of purpose, regardless what that purpose might be, points to a universe where purpose does exist.
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state, Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait... The Earth began to cool, The autotrophs began to drool, Neanderthals developed tools, We built a wall (we built the pyramids), Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries, That all started with the big bang!
I have a few thoughts... 1) From what I understand, matter entering a black hole sheds entropy and leaves it outside the black hole, so there may be complexity and future interetingness inside black holes. 2) We may develop technology for somehow leaving the universe some time in the next few billion years 3) The value of the complexity that we have is that we have it now. Similar to how as individuals we live and then die, but our lives are still valuable.
conveniently skips over how complex molecules arrange themselves into an information data bank OH RIGHT BY Magic!... seriously people that is the BIG hole in this evolutionary theory
***** even tho I still have some questions or disagreements I really do appriciate you writing it out. I did read it and it did answer a lot of questions. I honestly think u explained this way better than he did. It was something that he should have explained better but good thing u were here to go into more details. Thank you!
Exactly my point... please sir/ma'am, teach me about how something can be made out of nothing... of course you cant, because you wouldn't be able to comprehend. That's why people need something to believe in whether it be the religion of science or religion of gods. They don't know how the world began, it's to hard to comprehend, even with research.
KyanasTube Science isn't a religion, although some may treat it as such. I don't see how a god is an adequate explanation either, how did a god come into existence to create the universe? If you don't know the answer to something why make up a fairy tale to explain it?
UpLateWithAds It's not making up a fairy tale. Religion is mostly rooted in faith, faith in the things unseen mostly. Science is only what it is, because people spoke it into existence. Of course, it may make sense to many, but why put you faith in something that is made by man. Scientist may think they know what is beyond life and how it started, but the truth is, no one does. That is why so many put their faith in a greater being, instead of man.
Carlo Salcedo Leading modern theoretical physicists are discovering that universes can pop into existence given the laws of quantum mechanics in a larger multiverse. The ultimate, self-contained, explanation of everything is not known or completely understood as of now. But, given Godel's Incompleteness Theorem and given that the universe seems to be logically consistent, not all truths in the entire structure will be able to be discovered, assuming a mathematical basis of all reality.
Keep in mind too that what is being presented to you as science is ultimately, based on a certain philosophy of science, taken a priori, that is before investigation. Please look into this, including epistemology--how we know we know. Being predisposed to believing a purely mechanistic/ naturalistic universe prevents one right away from discovering truths beyond the empirical. Remember, since we dont know everything, there is always the possibility of something from what we dont know negating what we think we know.
+Derek Rodrigues I thought all they discovered was atoms or electrons or something on a very small scale such as that can pop into existence and only for fractions of a second. So the particle can't even stay phased into existence far less a universe or something to that effect so that theory was not practical.
It’s not that the Second Law says that complexity breaks down, but order does. The early universe was, in its simplicity, much more orderly than it is now... Also, the complexity on Earth isn’t explained by the Second Law, since it isn’t a closed system, due to energy input from the sun (and other stuff, too).
***** I dislike it when people form their world view from a book without evidence. Watching this video makes them squirm and feel uncomfortable. I derive enjoyment from seeing their comments here.
Religion or being religious ist more than "belivieing in scriptures". In my opinion and to quote FDE Schleiermacher: "True religion is sense and taste for the infinite" and the feeling of absolute dependence. Maybe some people could start looking for new horizons on this point of view. Also maybe you should overthink enjoying the pain of others regardless the reason..
***** The quote you give sounds nice, wishy washy, and applies to how scientists think of the universe more so than the religious people I refer to. The religious people I refer to are the ones who are so certain that their God created man and everything. It's great to witness their displeasure (or pain if you will) at an explanation of the universe that doesn't even mention their God. They dislike that their God is irrelevant to the discussion and on the opposite side, I like it. I do get the point your making about not reviling in the pain of others. Maybe I could be more compassionate there.
LAnonHubbard If you're just the product of trillions and trillions of mindless accidents, it's pointless for you to love or hate anything. Even you very existence becomes pointless.
No, I refuse to be manipulated into a position that I don't have the mental capacity to rightfully occupy. I restrict myself to short outbursts of contradiction. But I do think the definition above is very narrow. What about the social and mental worlds? And you don't need expermentation in astronomy and paleontology.
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state, Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait... The Earth began to cool, The autotrophs began to drool, Neanderthals developed tools, We built a wall (we built the pyramids), Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries, That all started with the big bang! BANG!
i agree especially with the last part but he was implying that even though nature seems to make things disordered somehow a complex system arises all i was saying is- this is most likely a temporary condition and even the heath death might not be the end maybe the universe will recycle itself in a new big bang ....but we persisting through stuff like that is quite far fetched
Since our knowledge as human beings, is not and probably never will be exhaustive (we don't know everything, probably never will) Science would always be just the best we should accept UNTIL more pieces of the puzzle are discovered (or at least appear to be so). So to be as thorough as possible we must not dismiss the "supernatural"--for lack of a better term as a probable part of a bigger picture a priori, the natural universe being just one part. In other words let's hear everything and weigh everything. The very fact--I'm simplifying the discussion now by using terms in a conversational/loose manner--that we are asking questions should already make us think why we are even asking questions. Why are we even looking for answers. These things imply that we are looking for purpose or meaning, something the natural sciences as practiced by many cannot hope to explain let alone find answers to.
if every stable molecular structure in my body was not contained within myself there would be a possibility of 7*10^24 more possible micro-states for the atoms/molecules to take every single second. the idea that the existence of humans results in more possible entropic states than there would be without them is ridiculous. EDIT; I've made indirect comments about evolution. This is my direct comment, if we are to agree that it happened, we must also agree on that the probability of it actually occurring is so insane, it is in almost every sense (other than religious of course) a "miracle".
+1MoreRep he knows. And every other scientist knows. That's why they are researching. But at the moment most physicist, biologists, chemists and so on agree that it's the best theory we have and that's why it is the current paradigm. Don't just call a paradigm/theory bullshit. Grapple with it. Understand it. Then criticise it on a basis that provides progress.
+1MoreRep your argument depressed me on such a level, were you there when your grandfather was born ? no ? then how do you know that he has existed ? you exist and you know that you can only exist through reproduction, that's called a fact deduced from observation and experiments, same for the universe, WE DO NOT NEED TO BE IN THE PAST TO KNOW THAT IT HAS HAPPENED, evidences surround us, that's how we know for a fact, as sure as the existence of your grandfather, that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, if you were really interested and actually honest you would have look a bit into sicence to understand cosmology and yet be able to say constructive things about it instead of trying to make our specie regress using youtube
Why are you "depressed" by his questions? The origin of the space is only a loose hypothesis, it is definitely not a scientific fact. It is one thing to questions if your "grandfather" existed and it is completely another level of scepticism to question the current understanding of the origin of space.
verapamil07 no, we can measure the oldest light produced in our universe to be roughly that age, we can also measure the rate of our universe's expansion to determine the moment of very high density, and there are multiple other separate observations, the age of our universe is no longer a subject of doubt, the arrongant way people throw "were you there ?" at thousands of great scientists and hundred of scientific advance without having taken the single basic course of physic is simply depressing, if you want to be skeptic no problem but possess facts please, or you can formulate the question in a more honest way like: "why do people consider the big-bang theory and the age of our universe as facts ? what is the reasonning and the observation behind it ?" nothing is always 100% sure, but don't act toward a 98% sure fact like it was a 25% sure one, it's not what you say, it's the way you imply it "loose hypothesis" -> dunning-kruger effect
Because that is how the word is defined by the people who use it, as well as in authoritative literature. Check out the National Academy of Science's website. They will confirm that it is the actual definition. Anybody who thinks otherwise is clearly confusing the colloquial word theory with "scientific theory" which the original poster was careful to state. There's no debate, it's the correct definition.
***** It isnt a life system YET, remember? We're talking BEFORE it jumped into life. So, what ever it was before it purportedly came to life, it was infinitely more likely to breakdown into its more basic elements than transcending into life, if that word even applies. Even the DNA is so complex already, it's hard to imagine it can just happen. That's 1 DNA. And how many must there be to jumpstart your "primitive life".
Never thought I was defending my beliefs. I know I was trying to enlighten. One could write books in dozens of volumes and not scratch the surface of reality, just the part that we do understand. It takes a lot more faith to believe "order from chaos" than a Supreme being designing everything. "Order" may not even be sufficient to describe the reality, to say nothing about love, honor, beauty and so on. The intricacy, the genius, the magnificence are all just awe inspiring, couldn't just have happened apart from intention/design/purpose.
How he can say there was complete darkness before universe ,science cant give all the answers , every time you give answer a new question automatically arises ,he said there was darkness but where was darkness when there was no universe and if there was no universe ,what was there ? ,where was that darkness?
sunny tomar Thats the thing. Darkness is nothingness so if there was nothing then darkness existed for infinity. people seem to assume that you need light or matter to have darkness or ,for example, you need is misery to have happiness but that is purely farcical.
sunny tomar We dont even know it's a physical darkness. For all we know, it's just a way of saying "from the very beginning" or "before anything ever was" The writer of genesis wasnt trying to write a scientific treatise. This is typical of people trying to fit the bible into their preconceived notions of what it is intended for and then find "inconsistencies". It's like saying where's the meatloaf in my vanilla ice cream? I want meatloaf in my vanilla ice cream! You call this vanilla ice cream?!!!
I wonder about in animals, when they die so the information that they got die as well. But how about their instinct? Doesn't it get pass down from their ancestor?
Am a Muslim, and I believe that God created everything, and yet I still believe in all the scientific assumptions he claimed in this video, but the only thing I don't is that we accumulated through time, we believe Adam and Eve were created by god, then a sin, then earth. Everything else I believe you and respect it and it sounds reasonable. but you have to ask your self, why you keep saying, It starts!! it began!! it learns!! who made. The biggest evidence i have ever encountered in my entire life that god is existed, is this video. At the beginning, there was NOTHING, then something happens!! COME ON!!
Science answers "How?" question, not "Why?", I think we can agree on that. The problem with the big bang or existence of life is that we can't fully understand them (at least not yet)... and then we ask ourselves: "What is the meaning of all this?" And that's the thing...we humans tend to give meaning to everything (to little things that happen in our life and to big things that happen in the universe). And there are some scientific and unscientific (like psychoanalysis) explanations why we do that (and that's cool, science can't explain everything, science can't answer all the questions).
All you need to seemingly "reverse entropy" is to add energy from an external source. When that energy is exhausted, the end of development is inevitable. By the way, his Great Courses "Big History" is not great: every lecture is padded with a long synopsis of the previous lecture.
It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated-He simply exists. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.
So in wonderful lucky events , the right amount of elements had dense to form earth and the right temperatures on earth only was found to form the living organisms that had formed the DNA which led to evolution along the way up to us, where we had started accumulating knowledge, for me I can't believe that we are here today because of a sequence of a perfect circumstances that had just occurred with out any upper planing , even when he talked about the DNA it appeared as if he was talking about a smarter environment that made it .
If you actually knew anything about science, you'd know in the scientific community 'theory' means 'generally excepted fact'. Science accepts that things change and are not absolute, hence the many theories and fewer laws.
Wrong. Blue was NOT created, at least not by humanity. Color exists because of light and how it passes through an object. Dogs see in black and white, so, even if we see something as blue, they can't but it's still blue to us. Take even colorblind humans for example, they can't see the same colors I do but the color still exists, it's just perceived differently. But, I support your argument.
If this isn't a preacher preaching to a devout congregation then I don't believe in religions anymore. Scientists have become atheists "holy men" who must tell the stories of days gone by. It is all so simple, so eloquent. Alas I belong to a different world view so I see all of this wonderful imagery and imagination as a fairy tale for those who can't and won't believe in a creator God.
I think I gave the wrong idea. I didn't intend to make a statement. And if it will make any difference, I don't believe in god. I was actually asking a question. The question was : From where did the materials that made the Big Bang possible come from. And well talking about the reality of this universe, Check this project of mine that I submitted for Google Science Fair.
it seems like a new form of intelligence, first it was basic atoms, then as they became more complex they became stars and planets. then out of the planets came DNA and life, which eventually became intelligent life; us, and now the internet is like a new form of the universe learning, becoming faster and greater like a brain. What will the future hold? is there going to be more thresholds? atoms inside of DNA which makes smarter humans which develop better technology?
I have had a fewoutof body experiences.. it is a deep dream mine was unlike the stories ihave heard about. Mine was a beautiful lesson.andit was the hardest thing I've ever been through It was a GOD test.i am very spiritual and it is in the heart not in vision that we must learn
Due to a notice by You tube that someone had responded to my post, I listened to David's presentation again. In absolute nothingness, 13.7 billion years ago and in the first second of time, something happened......Time and matter, which are inextricably connected, came into being instantly. David pinpoints such events with so much confidence. On what? Can you even understand how much time 13.7 billion years represents? Then he pinpoints that 380,000 years after the Big Bang......and so on. How can anyone possibly make such a calculation? Unless I look at old pictures of what my city looked like, 50 years ago, I hardly remember its former appearance, but this fellow can make such statements 13.7 billion years later? At least, the circus magician pulls real rabbits out of real hats, but this magician pulls everything out of nothing. If nothing at all existed, where did the first pulse of energy, Higg's boson or any thing else come from to start the generation of the Universe? Remember his assumption, that there was absolutely nothing in existence. Further on he says that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics reversed itself momentarily allowing for simple events to create complexity. This should be cause for psychiatric evaluation. The illustration of the whisked egg returning to the original unbroken state is tantamount to claiming that, at some point in history, you became your mother's father. If you are willing to believe that "something" can come out of "nothing", there is no further discussion possible. You will believe any and all the nonsense that follows and delight in it. Instead of lapping up the nonsense, why doesn't someone do some critical thinking, for a change, and provide facts and evidence on which to base David's fantasy?
good talk,but its funny how the most important stuff isnt mentioned. How was Dna formed? Dna started to exist out of nowhere, the most complex information storage just started to exist in its full complexity. Another point which is just skipped is that for 4 billions years you have primitive organisms and within blink of an eye you have full diversity of life. There is more strange stuff in the evolution, but its ridiculous to call it random and error. Life wasnt created by error.lol.iamatheist
but blue was created, the idea of blue and the color blue were created, so get back to the question, who created god? did he just came out of nothing, if he did why is it so hard to say humans came from simpler molecules that came from nothing too
He explains the complexity of the universe ... with a fairy tale (GoldieLocks; not too hot, not to cold ...) 2:57 Each stage is magical ... whaaaaaat. Not must one magical stage but all stages are magical? 4:00 the beginning of time is 13.7B years ago??? 4:27 BAM, all of a sudden a universe appears??? Whaaaaaaaat??? A universe just appears??? Not a molecule? Not a cell? Not a rabbit out of a hat ... but an entire universe??? And no explanation??? How do you make such a claim with no explanation. How can someone have so much faith that an entire universe appears all by itself, without the help of God. I could never have that much faith. But I do have enough faith that the only logical reasoning can be an Almighty God created the universe rather than nothing created an entire universe. When you take God out of the equation, things like "nothing created everything all of a sudden" with a massive explosion ... caused by nothing. There is no logic whatsoever to that theory. 5:09 Simple atoms appear ... whaaaaat??? ... "Atoms just appear???" ... he's telling a fairy tale. That's how fairy tales work. There is a twinkling sound and all of a sudden, something appears. Many people watch and accept this fairy tale story in awe ... contrary to all logic. Stunning. "Things start to heat up ... and BAM, our first stars" ... haha non-thinking people watch dumbfounded. Many are thinking, "that's amazing". For anyone buying into this tall tale, an all powerful and holy God, not bounded by time or space, created all things. Moving from chaos to order??? Come-on man.
luis bettencourt Only things can happen, Luis, not nothings. Absolutely nothing can be said nor written nor sung, about nothing. See also Black Sabbath: "Into The Void" , and hear how hard of a ponder this was for Ozzie to mull-over for "Master of Reality" to have a killer ending.
Its a simulation. The big bang was when the machine was switched on. We are all in a multi player game called 'Milky Way'. Enjoy... heres Tom with the weather
“In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. But this is mere temporizing. If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?” [Carl Sagan, Cosmos, page 257]
Well he certainly gives himself the liberty of making assumptions and leaps of faith. Why should compressing particles and atoms into smaller spaces create thresholds of organization? I can see how prisoners in a smaller prison might form organization via gangs... or many coffee shop on a corner forming something considered organized like a union... .. but atoms? Where do atoms and systems obtain this magical property he calls the threshold towards organization, because that is the part he needs to explain. The threshold is not part of the answer - it is the answer, yet he conveniently fuses it into a larger tapestry. Gravity is not creative... yet he insinuates it is.
Egghead Einstein We know that compressing atoms into ever smaller spaces eventually causes them to fuse, turning them into fewer (but heavier) elements. This means that from compressing hydrogen/helium, we can end up with an entire periodic table of 100+ elements from just 2. This is not an assumption or a leap of faith, but a fact. The reasoning then goes that there are more possible organisations when you have more (distinct) objects to organise, meaning that a system with more elements in it is more complex.
He was my teacher at uni ☺️
+esma yıldırım You are incredibly lucky.
+Zevin X But she skipped classes! So, not so lucky after all...
Lucky
prob cap
You can see he loves his job.
BIG THANK Prof Christian David for you did the BIG PROJECT to be more smaler than I could imagine by myself. What a great Job I have had from you, Sir.
DNA, the brain, and the human species is truly one of a kind. We are able, now more than ever, to engage one another in idea and thought discussion. We should strive to better our communication skills as we continue to advance our knowledge of ourselves.
What is with some of these comments? This isn't pure speculation. It's a basic summary of many of the things we've discovered about the nature of the universe.
It would be so nice, if religious people would just let the rest of the world learn peacefully, and not try to force their unscientific 'understanding' of the world down other people throat -_-
Luckyshot The most important things are beyond science. Love. Beauty. Honor. Dignity. If life merely evolved without intelligent design, your life and mine are meaningless. Because there is no purpose in accidents.
Carlo Salcedo
Pretty much all og that (love, beauty, honor and dignity) could be mostly explained by science, and the few things left... Give it a few years, then probably that too.
Purpose... Why do we have to have been given a purpose? Why can't we choose our own?
If man is on his own to choose purpose and if there were no God to set what is good and what is evil, we have these questions:
1. What should it matter if man picks murder, stealing and cruelty over love, giving and kindness as his choice of what "ought to be"?
2. How do we decide the "ought to be"? Based on what?
3. In fact, why decide at all? A decision presupposes a purpose and a purpose presupposes the "ought to be." In a mechanistic / naturalistic / Godless universe (if indeed the the universe is such) there is no such thing as an "ought to be".
Therefore, a Holy, Righteous, Loving, All-powerful God/Creator must logically exist.
Carlo Salcedo
1. You're implying that it does matter, so my question to you why does it have to matter that a person chooses murder and cruelty?
2. Well discussion, and opinion (=based on norm and tradition) is what i would propose.
3. Good question, but I would guess it's to everyone's benefit that you don't rob other people of their belongings, or go on killing sprees.
And no I'm sry, a creator of all will never be logical, from the amount of knowledge we have now (implying that a god might exist, even though it's unlikely).
What I'm saying is quite simple: A universe that exists without any one intending it to exist is a PURPOSELESS universe. Therefore, if the universe is purposeless, you and I must be purposeless too. If, however, you choose to find and pursue a certain purpose, number one: "what for?" number 2: "based on what?"
And lastly, the mere fact that we have a conception/idea of purpose, regardless what that purpose might be, points to a universe where purpose does exist.
talk went so smoothly that my brain learned everything. yep, it's possible again.. thanks sir for such a real smooth talk. loved it..!!
your grandson is lucky to have you as a grandfather
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!
How I wish I could give lectures as this one ! :-)
Great speaker (slightly ironically named for someone who believes in evolution) :)
I enjoyed that video. Thank you.
Interesting how moving from elements and chemicals to life is scientifically explained as a "trick".
All people should watch this
I have a few thoughts...
1) From what I understand, matter entering a black hole sheds entropy and leaves it outside the black hole, so there may be complexity and future interetingness inside black holes.
2) We may develop technology for somehow leaving the universe some time in the next few billion years
3) The value of the complexity that we have is that we have it now. Similar to how as individuals we live and then die, but our lives are still valuable.
Thank you
Professor David Christian
"all is one, one is all" -FMA (I think)
very interesting
The power of collective learning
4:03 that was creative as well as captivating!
conveniently skips over how complex molecules arrange themselves into an information data bank OH RIGHT BY Magic!... seriously people that is the BIG hole in this evolutionary theory
Well said
A great and timely reminder for all of us. It is not for us, but it is for the future generations !
Thank you for the wonderful and insightful talk !
ok so at one point there was nothing but darkness... how did something just appear out of nothing?? some one please answer
***** even tho I still have some questions or disagreements I really do appriciate you writing it out. I did read it and it did answer a lot of questions. I honestly think u explained this way better than he did. It was something that he should have explained better but good thing u were here to go into more details. Thank you!
I dream of a world when chickens can cross the road without their motives being questioned
The Velvet Underground's "Sister Ray" song clocks in at 17:31. Reeeeeally makes ya think... **bong noises**
this vid is so underrated. makes me sad :(
Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. The universe didn't just come from nothing
That's fine if you want to believe that but we can't teach things that we have no evidence for.
Exactly my point... please sir/ma'am, teach me about how something can be made out of nothing... of course you cant, because you wouldn't be able to comprehend. That's why people need something to believe in whether it be the religion of science or religion of gods. They don't know how the world began, it's to hard to comprehend, even with research.
KyanasTube
Science isn't a religion, although some may treat it as such. I don't see how a god is an adequate explanation either, how did a god come into existence to create the universe? If you don't know the answer to something why make up a fairy tale to explain it?
UpLateWithAds It's not making up a fairy tale. Religion is mostly rooted in faith, faith in the things unseen mostly. Science is only what it is, because people spoke it into existence. Of course, it may make sense to many, but why put you faith in something that is made by man. Scientist may think they know what is beyond life and how it started, but the truth is, no one does. That is why so many put their faith in a greater being, instead of man.
UpLateWithAds And I am not trying to explain how the world was created, that would be impossible.
Before the big bang there was nothing? B/S There was space?
If there was nothing, what exploded?
Carlo Salcedo Leading modern theoretical physicists are discovering that universes can pop into existence given the laws of quantum mechanics in a larger multiverse. The ultimate, self-contained, explanation of everything is not known or completely understood as of now. But, given Godel's Incompleteness Theorem and given that the universe seems to be logically consistent, not all truths in the entire structure will be able to be discovered, assuming a mathematical basis of all reality.
if there was nothing, no time, no matter, no space, what popped?
Keep in mind too that what is being presented to you as science is ultimately, based on a certain philosophy of science, taken a priori, that is before investigation. Please look into this, including epistemology--how we know we know. Being predisposed to believing a purely mechanistic/ naturalistic universe prevents one right away from discovering truths beyond the empirical. Remember, since we dont know everything, there is always the possibility of something from what we dont know negating what we think we know.
+wgoiweghgw You WANT to believe that the naturalistic view is logical.
+Derek Rodrigues I thought all they discovered was atoms or electrons or something on a very small scale such as that can pop into existence and only for fractions of a second. So the particle can't even stay phased into existence far less a universe or something to that effect so that theory was not practical.
He was great! I love his passion.
Can anyone, please tell me , what is the meaning of threshold? Does it mean the, "beginning".
i think he's using the term as a metaphor for the start of each stage in the creation of the universe.
It’s not that the Second Law says that complexity breaks down, but order does. The early universe was, in its simplicity, much more orderly than it is now... Also, the complexity on Earth isn’t explained by the Second Law, since it isn’t a closed system, due to energy input from the sun (and other stuff, too).
You can think it's narrow all you want, it's still the correct definition.
Blew my mind...
I love how painful it is for some religious people to watch this :)
LAnonHubbard Why?
***** I dislike it when people form their world view from a book without evidence. Watching this video makes them squirm and feel uncomfortable. I derive enjoyment from seeing their comments here.
Religion or being religious ist more than "belivieing in scriptures". In my opinion and to quote FDE Schleiermacher: "True religion is sense and taste for the infinite" and the feeling of absolute dependence. Maybe some people could start looking for new horizons on this point of view. Also maybe you should overthink enjoying the pain of others regardless the reason..
***** The quote you give sounds nice, wishy washy, and applies to how scientists think of the universe more so than the religious people I refer to. The religious people I refer to are the ones who are so certain that their God created man and everything. It's great to witness their displeasure (or pain if you will) at an explanation of the universe that doesn't even mention their God. They dislike that their God is irrelevant to the discussion and on the opposite side, I like it.
I do get the point your making about not reviling in the pain of others. Maybe I could be more compassionate there.
LAnonHubbard If you're just the product of trillions and trillions of mindless accidents, it's pointless for you to love or hate anything. Even you very existence becomes pointless.
I love that song!
No, I refuse to be manipulated into a position that I don't have the mental capacity to rightfully occupy. I restrict myself to short outbursts of contradiction. But I do think the definition above is very narrow. What about the social and mental worlds? And you don't need expermentation in astronomy and paleontology.
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state, Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait... The Earth began to cool, The autotrophs began to drool, Neanderthals developed tools, We built a wall (we built the pyramids), Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries, That all started with the big bang! BANG!
It was lovely
i agree
especially with the last part
but he was implying that even though nature seems to make things disordered somehow a complex system arises
all i was saying is- this is most likely a temporary condition
and even the heath death might not be the end maybe the universe will recycle itself in a new big bang ....but we persisting through stuff like that is quite far fetched
The thing that is necessary for complexity is a mind with will otherwise the egg never gets scrambled.
very interesting points illustrated! even though a philosophically driven talk
+Kallia Pa It is biased towards the naturalistic/mechanistic view of the universe. It's not really science.
interesting comment.. what's your epistemological position of what's science?
Since our knowledge as human beings, is not and probably never will be exhaustive (we don't know everything, probably never will) Science would always be just the best we should accept UNTIL more pieces of the puzzle are discovered (or at least appear to be so). So to be as thorough as possible we must not dismiss the "supernatural"--for lack of a better term as a probable part of a bigger picture a priori, the natural universe being just one part. In other words let's hear everything and weigh everything. The very fact--I'm simplifying the discussion now by using terms in a conversational/loose manner--that we are asking questions should already make us think why we are even asking questions. Why are we even looking for answers. These things imply that we are looking for purpose or meaning, something the natural sciences as practiced by many cannot hope to explain let alone find answers to.
Does anyone know the source of the numerical animation he uses to demonstrate complexity at 2:45?
thanks
if every stable molecular structure in my body was not contained within myself there would be a possibility of 7*10^24 more possible micro-states for the atoms/molecules to take every single second. the idea that the existence of humans results in more possible entropic states than there would be without them is ridiculous.
EDIT; I've made indirect comments about evolution. This is my direct comment, if we are to agree that it happened, we must also agree on that the probability of it actually occurring is so insane, it is in almost every sense (other than religious of course) a "miracle".
What good is this complexity if in the end the heat death or whatever will end all activity
You were there 13.7 billion years ago you know how it happened? Just because everyone agrees on a common theory doesn't make it fact.
+1MoreRep he knows. And every other scientist knows. That's why they are researching. But at the moment most physicist, biologists, chemists and so on agree that it's the best theory we have and that's why it is the current paradigm.
Don't just call a paradigm/theory bullshit. Grapple with it. Understand it. Then criticise it on a basis that provides progress.
+1MoreRep your argument depressed me on such a level, were you there when your grandfather was born ? no ? then how do you know that he has existed ? you exist and you know that you can only exist through reproduction, that's called a fact deduced from observation and experiments, same for the universe, WE DO NOT NEED TO BE IN THE PAST TO KNOW THAT IT HAS HAPPENED, evidences surround us, that's how we know for a fact, as sure as the existence of your grandfather, that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, if you were really interested and actually honest you would have look a bit into sicence to understand cosmology and yet be able to say constructive things about it instead of trying to make our specie regress using youtube
Why are you "depressed" by his questions? The origin of the space is only a loose hypothesis, it is definitely not a scientific fact. It is one thing to questions if your "grandfather" existed and it is completely another level of scepticism to question the current understanding of the origin of space.
verapamil07 no, we can measure the oldest light produced in our universe to be roughly that age, we can also measure the rate of our universe's expansion to determine the moment of very high density, and there are multiple other separate observations, the age of our universe is no longer a subject of doubt,
the arrongant way people throw "were you there ?" at thousands of great scientists and hundred of scientific advance without having taken the single basic course of physic is simply depressing, if you want to be skeptic no problem but possess facts please, or you can formulate the question in a more honest way like: "why do people consider the big-bang theory and the age of our universe as facts ? what is the reasonning and the observation behind it ?" nothing is always 100% sure, but don't act toward a 98% sure fact like it was a 25% sure one, it's not what you say, it's the way you imply it "loose hypothesis" -> dunning-kruger effect
Because that is how the word is defined by the people who use it, as well as in authoritative literature. Check out the National Academy of Science's website. They will confirm that it is the actual definition.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is clearly confusing the colloquial word theory with "scientific theory" which the original poster was careful to state.
There's no debate, it's the correct definition.
Almost believed this if it weren't for the infinitely more believable introduction--the second law of thermodynamics.
***** It isnt a life system YET, remember? We're talking BEFORE it jumped into life. So, what ever it was before it purportedly came to life, it was infinitely more likely to breakdown into its more basic elements than transcending into life, if that word even applies. Even the DNA is so complex already, it's hard to imagine it can just happen. That's 1 DNA. And how many must there be to jumpstart your "primitive life".
Never thought I was defending my beliefs. I know I was trying to enlighten. One could write books in dozens of volumes and not scratch the surface of reality, just the part that we do understand. It takes a lot more faith to believe "order from chaos" than a Supreme being designing everything. "Order" may not even be sufficient to describe the reality, to say nothing about love, honor, beauty and so on. The intricacy, the genius, the magnificence are all just awe inspiring, couldn't just have happened apart from intention/design/purpose.
Earth isn't a closed system lol
The Cuban Missile Crisis was instigated by the US gov't when American missiles were placed in Turkey, within range of Moscow.
Very inspiring!
How he can say there was complete darkness before universe ,science cant give all the answers , every time you give answer a new question automatically arises ,he said there was darkness but where was darkness when there was no universe and if there was no universe ,what was there ? ,where was that darkness?
sunny tomar darkness is the absence of light so it would be everywhere because there wasn't any matter or anything.
sunny tomar nothing
joseph swain mr joseph what is everywhere when nothing was there .
sunny tomar Thats the thing. Darkness is nothingness so if there was nothing then darkness existed for infinity. people seem to assume that you need light or matter to have darkness or ,for example, you need is misery to have happiness but that is purely farcical.
sunny tomar We dont even know it's a physical darkness. For all we know, it's just a way of saying "from the very beginning" or "before anything ever was" The writer of genesis wasnt trying to write a scientific treatise. This is typical of people trying to fit the bible into their preconceived notions of what it is intended for and then find "inconsistencies". It's like saying where's the meatloaf in my vanilla ice cream? I want meatloaf in my vanilla ice cream! You call this vanilla ice cream?!!!
I wonder about in animals, when they die so the information that they got die as well. But how about their instinct? Doesn't it get pass down from their ancestor?
Am a Muslim, and I believe that God created everything, and yet I still believe in all the scientific assumptions he claimed in this video, but the only thing I don't is that we accumulated through time, we believe Adam and Eve were created by god, then a sin, then earth. Everything else I believe you and respect it and it sounds reasonable. but you have to ask your self, why you keep saying, It starts!! it began!! it learns!! who made.
The biggest evidence i have ever encountered in my entire life that god is existed, is this video. At the beginning, there was NOTHING, then something happens!! COME ON!!
Science answers "How?" question, not "Why?", I think we can agree on that. The problem with the big bang or existence of life is that we can't fully understand them (at least not yet)... and then we ask ourselves: "What is the meaning of all this?"
And that's the thing...we humans tend to give meaning to everything (to little things that happen in our life and to big things that happen in the universe). And there are some scientific and unscientific (like psychoanalysis) explanations why we do that (and that's cool, science can't explain everything, science can't answer all the questions).
Sohaib Mohanna The fossil record tells a different story.
+Sohaib Mohanna I don't know where my pen is, it must be in the hands of a hidden leprechaun ! nice logic
It was made by Lisa the rainbow giraffe, prove me wrong
All you need to seemingly "reverse entropy" is to add energy from an external source. When that energy is exhausted, the end of development is inevitable.
By the way, his Great Courses "Big History" is not great: every lecture is padded with a long synopsis of the previous lecture.
Best Ted talk I’ve heard yet
It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is uncaused and uncreated-He simply exists. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.
Wow!
So in wonderful lucky events , the right amount of elements had dense to form earth and the right temperatures on earth only was found to form the living organisms that had formed the DNA which led to evolution along the way up to us, where we had started accumulating knowledge, for me I can't believe that we are here today because of a sequence of a perfect circumstances that had just occurred with out any upper planing , even when he talked about the DNA it appeared as if he was talking about a smarter environment that made it .
If you actually knew anything about science, you'd know in the scientific community 'theory' means 'generally excepted fact'.
Science accepts that things change and are not absolute, hence the many theories and fewer laws.
The history of our world in 18 minutes - But the video is 17 minutes long?
Famous Films 20 secs short, plus all intro/outros. Scammed!
+Reece Chandler ahaahh
the last minute is your present-day world. really wouldn't be apt for him to tell each individual's story.
Can’t you just say something positive? His lecture was great why even make a comment like this?
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. This is just a couple of interesting theories of how He did it!
Wrong. Blue was NOT created, at least not by humanity. Color exists because of light and how it passes through an object.
Dogs see in black and white, so, even if we see something as blue, they can't but it's still blue to us. Take even colorblind humans for example, they can't see the same colors I do but the color still exists, it's just perceived differently.
But, I support your argument.
If this isn't a preacher preaching to a devout congregation then I don't believe in religions anymore. Scientists have become atheists "holy men" who must tell the stories of days gone by. It is all so simple, so eloquent. Alas I belong to a different world view so I see all of this wonderful imagery and imagination as a fairy tale for those who can't and won't believe in a creator God.
How could a supernatural being with no beginning create things out of nothing? If one idea sounds absurd, so does the other.
No worries.
I think I gave the wrong idea. I didn't intend to make a statement. And if it will make any difference, I don't believe in god. I was actually asking a question. The question was : From where did the materials that made the Big Bang possible come from. And well talking about the reality of this universe, Check this project of mine that I submitted for Google Science Fair.
it seems like a new form of intelligence, first it was basic atoms, then as they became more complex they became stars and planets. then out of the planets came DNA and life, which eventually became intelligent life; us, and now the internet is like a new form of the universe learning, becoming faster and greater like a brain. What will the future hold? is there going to be more thresholds? atoms inside of DNA which makes smarter humans which develop better technology?
I have had a fewoutof body experiences.. it is a deep dream mine was unlike the stories ihave heard about. Mine was a beautiful lesson.andit was the hardest thing I've ever been through It was a GOD test.i am very spiritual and it is in the heart not in vision that we must learn
Due to a notice by You tube that someone had responded to my post, I listened to David's presentation again. In absolute nothingness, 13.7 billion years ago and in the first second of time, something happened......Time and matter, which are inextricably connected, came into being instantly. David pinpoints such events with so much confidence. On what? Can you even understand how much time 13.7 billion years represents? Then he pinpoints that 380,000 years after the Big Bang......and so on. How can anyone possibly make such a calculation? Unless I look at old pictures of what my city looked like, 50 years ago, I hardly remember its former appearance, but this fellow can make such statements 13.7 billion years later? At least, the circus magician pulls real rabbits out of real hats, but this magician pulls everything out of nothing.
If nothing at all existed, where did the first pulse of energy, Higg's boson or any thing else come from to start the generation of the Universe? Remember his assumption, that there was absolutely nothing in existence. Further on he says that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics reversed itself momentarily allowing for simple events to create complexity. This should be cause for psychiatric evaluation.
The illustration of the whisked egg returning to the original unbroken state is tantamount to claiming that, at some point in history, you became your mother's father. If you are willing to believe that "something" can come out of "nothing", there is no further discussion possible. You will believe any and all the nonsense that follows and delight in it. Instead of lapping up the nonsense, why doesn't someone do some critical thinking, for a change, and provide facts and evidence on which to base David's fantasy?
Absolutely incredible.
How did they know that there was NOTHINGNESS 13.7 billions years ago?
The universe was created by God not by a big bang your here because of God and Jesus Christ.
good talk,but its funny how the most important stuff isnt mentioned. How was Dna formed? Dna started to exist out of nowhere, the most complex information storage just started to exist in its full complexity. Another point which is just skipped is that for 4 billions years you have primitive organisms and within blink of an eye you have full diversity of life. There is more strange stuff in the evolution, but its ridiculous to call it random and error. Life wasnt created by error.lol.iamatheist
Goldilocks called, she'd like her royalties please...
Truly amazing!
I hate to be picky, but Neanderthal was disproven and refined under Homo Sapien.
Because thanks to DNA, we can trace our roots to a single common ancestor in Africa.
don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things
You could not of summed up religion in one paragraph any better.
Blind followers who don't ask questions.
As Jesse Pinkman would say, 'YEAH, SCIENCE, BITCH!'
how everything appeared from nothing 13.7 billion years ago. What law of science support this.
Goldilocks is the moral of the story.
interesting theory but where is the evidence that it happened that way
That was beast!
Love ted talks.
What he says is pretty much the gist of it.
it is turtles all the way down :P
but blue was created, the idea of blue and the color blue were created, so get back to the question, who created god? did he just came out of nothing, if he did why is it so hard to say humans came from simpler molecules that came from nothing too
I have to do this for my damn summer assignment😑🔫
How dare you? Consider yourself lucky to have this as your project
Ik my moms making me do a paper it’s so annoying
He explains the complexity of the universe ... with a fairy tale (GoldieLocks; not too hot, not to cold ...) 2:57 Each stage is magical ... whaaaaaat. Not must one magical stage but all stages are magical?
4:00 the beginning of time is 13.7B years ago???
4:27 BAM, all of a sudden a universe appears??? Whaaaaaaaat??? A universe just appears??? Not a molecule? Not a cell? Not a rabbit out of a hat ... but an entire universe??? And no explanation??? How do you make such a claim with no explanation.
How can someone have so much faith that an entire universe appears all by itself, without the help of God. I could never have that much faith. But I do have enough faith that the only logical reasoning can be an Almighty God created the universe rather than nothing created an entire universe.
When you take God out of the equation, things like "nothing created everything all of a sudden" with a massive explosion ... caused by nothing. There is no logic whatsoever to that theory.
5:09 Simple atoms appear ... whaaaaat??? ... "Atoms just appear???" ... he's telling a fairy tale. That's how fairy tales work. There is a twinkling sound and all of a sudden, something appears. Many people watch and accept this fairy tale story in awe ... contrary to all logic. Stunning.
"Things start to heat up ... and BAM, our first stars" ... haha non-thinking people watch dumbfounded. Many are thinking, "that's amazing". For anyone buying into this tall tale, an all powerful and holy God, not bounded by time or space, created all things.
Moving from chaos to order??? Come-on man.
He said before it was all black den something happen out of nothing wat made DAT black nothingness happen
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luis bettencourt den? dat?
Then * that *
Oh ok. Thank you for translating into english.
It's okay bro :)
luis bettencourt Only things can happen, Luis, not nothings. Absolutely nothing can be said nor written nor sung, about nothing. See also Black Sabbath: "Into The Void" , and hear how hard of a ponder this was for Ozzie to mull-over for "Master of Reality" to have a killer ending.
I don't get it
Its a simulation. The big bang was when the machine was switched on. We are all in a multi player game called 'Milky Way'. Enjoy... heres Tom with the weather
Amazing talk! Props
says 18 minutes, video lasts for 17...
If this is true then what was all that 6 day creation story......hmmm
“In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. But this is mere temporizing. If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?” [Carl Sagan, Cosmos, page 257]
Never mind there was a Creator ! Sorry Jesus I'm sure he meant NOTHING personal ! ! !
But I want to know what is the starting world first what is first element and who is created
Its really madnesses about the world who is finding the truth ,,,the truth is so complicated and confusable
I want all the answer s if we don't got answer then we follow God point of views s and I we got all the answers then we follow science.
Well he certainly gives himself the liberty of making assumptions and leaps of faith. Why should compressing particles and atoms into smaller spaces create thresholds of organization? I can see how prisoners in a smaller prison might form organization via gangs... or many coffee shop on a corner forming something considered organized like a union... .. but atoms? Where do atoms and systems obtain this magical property he calls the threshold towards organization, because that is the part he needs to explain. The threshold is not part of the answer - it is the answer, yet he conveniently fuses it into a larger tapestry. Gravity is not creative... yet he insinuates it is.
Egghead Einstein We know that compressing atoms into ever smaller spaces eventually causes them to fuse, turning them into fewer (but heavier) elements. This means that from compressing hydrogen/helium, we can end up with an entire periodic table of 100+ elements from just 2.
This is not an assumption or a leap of faith, but a fact.
The reasoning then goes that there are more possible organisations when you have more (distinct) objects to organise, meaning that a system with more elements in it is more complex.