Oooh my favorite matchup, but from the other side! Very nice to learn about what Marths should be going for, and to be aware of things I do that can be punished! Thanks for making this.
Top Tier Tutorial! Edit: I've been playing since 2002 and was still able to learn a few things here. - I really need to step up my dtilt game, I always thought fair to dashback was the superior choice for some reason, but this was an eye-opener - I absolutely love the "when Sheik is on a sideplatform, pretend she is in the air" analogy! Sheik's shield/shai-drops really are one of the scariest among the whole cast Thanks for your dedication!
I'd love to see more matchup guides like this, a lot of helpful tips in this video, and a lot of ways to get better in the matchup, like not get tilted and go for a risky option. Maybe another video explaining how to win as Shiek in the same matchup? Other than that, this video was very helpful, thanks!
This video has shown me how much more broken d tilt was than I imagined esp paired with his dash back going to try and make more of a habit to use that move more
I love the sheik matchup. Hard matchups are useful for learning how to deal with difficult shit. It’s not about what’s happening to you, it’s about how you deal with what’s happening to you. Healthy mindset.
Low-level Marth habits that are implied in the video that you should stop doing (from a Sheik main): 1. Fsmashing her recovery immediately - Every Sheik is ready to shield/DI it if you throw it out immediately. Notice how Kira said watch the recovery and walk to space tipper. Don't just wait at the tip of the ledge and cstick forward. Sour spot just gives her another chance to recover. 2. Shielding/fsmashing after getting up from the ledge - like Kira said, don't be impatient, but don't be a sitting duck. Watch for the Sheik to move and stuff her. 3. Full hop double fair/late non-tipper fair in neutral against grounded Sheik - it basically never leads to a combo or grab. Generally just gets CC grabbed. Use more dtilt and db grab instead. 4. Stop counterattack after dthrow - notice how Kira said it's not very easy for Sheik to do much out of dthrow. Don't throw out an aerial immediately (unless you have a read). Move to a position where you can reset neutral or where you can punish her attempt at following up (at low levels, usually ftilt/sh fair).
I found the casual style really useful. You cover many topics and show many in game examples. Different level players will see the basics concept or more depending on their skill so it has something for everyone. Keep them videos coming and congratulations on 100k! Been watching your vids and learning Melee since 2016 :) Some of them are classics for me especially the "Are you a X main" series
Not going to lie, being patient is not matchup specific. Some of us can definitely learn from this, even if we don't play Marth. I do like the character specific stuff too though, such as the down-tilt into grab follow ups and dash dancing Sheik's approach options.
The thing I hate about sheik is it seems like she can whiff so many moves and still get the next hit anyway. Something that rlly helped me with the MU was wavedashing to ledge during edge guarding. If not, the sheik can often get ledge so free
Never thought this matchup was fun, mostly because when I play well enough to shut her down, sheiks just start needle camping me. Then nobody is having fun
Hey Kira ! A (Any anyone reading this) Im a fairly casual player, but i have been playing for 5ish years now and im friends with darkgenex. As marth i actually like (in order) the shiek, marth, peach, puff, fox matchups. Falco can be hard. But I absolutely HATE playing Captain Falcon. I find the most success when trying to CC him, dash towards him and just beat his aerials with fsmash, ftilt or dancing blade. I get torn up when i try to dash dance away, specifically, by overshoot nairs and stomps. Which just leads to a knee or a grab knee. Any insights ?
He can only nair in place or nair with fulll momentum forward. If you stay outside that range or between it he can’t actually hit you (like you said you can dash towards him and it’ll go under his aerials)
What I would do is start the replay, then right click that version of dolphin on your taskbar (not always the same as the dolphin you use to play Melee) Then… tbh I forgot lmao but somewhere in the preferences or properties or config or somewhere you can disable the names. I had it on before but my kid messed with my pc and now I can’t right click or use the start menu
Yoo I think I was the sheik from slipi I wish the name was there so I would know for sure but I’m pretty sure I remember playing you my name on there is popper
It is for escaping any knockback (actually ANY lag, I think... but might be wrong) frameperfectly as soon as it ends, when the input was a bit too early. It is just a (as far as I can tell) universal buffer when using stick-jumping. Pretty sure this also makes meteor-cancelling more efficient, but needs to be confirmed. X/Y also have some buffer properties when receiving a lot of knockback (for example when being hit hard offstage), but it's weird and I don't know all of the details. I know it's actually literally random in a sense though. Iirc when you get hit at >100%, there is a 30% chance, that your character will be put into the rapidly-spinning-state, which for some reason seems to prevent X/Y buffer jumping. I learned this while experimenting a couple years ago.
One thing that the video didn't mention is that Marth compared to the other Top Tiers actually has a harder time edgeguarding Sheik due to Amsah Teching and the video didn't even mention how to deal with it smh
@@TheBeggies95 and also marth tipper fsmash breaks amsah tech starting at 109% so at that percent marth can go for a tipper fsmash without fearing amsah tech
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can u show the sheik side of the matchup in like a another video
I'd love to play it, Epiphany City looks like a blast, and the main character reminds me of my gf, but Steam is doesn't want to work atm, so...
Can't wait for the full game :)
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Oooh my favorite matchup, but from the other side! Very nice to learn about what Marths should be going for, and to be aware of things I do that can be punished! Thanks for making this.
i see you everywhere on youtube ( ´∀｀)
Whelp, I guess it should be a learning experience for both sides.
Lol if the most braindead matchup for Sheik is your favorite, then that kinda says something about your playstyle.
@@gianlucatartaro1335 Hey man, you'll beat that local Sheik player who's farming you eventually, just keep trying!
Legendary thumbnail and hype to watch this video 👀
Top Tier Tutorial!
Edit: I've been playing since 2002 and was still able to learn a few things here.
- I really need to step up my dtilt game, I always thought fair to dashback was the superior choice for some reason, but this was an eye-opener
- I absolutely love the "when Sheik is on a sideplatform, pretend she is in the air" analogy! Sheik's shield/shai-drops really are one of the scariest among the whole cast
Thanks for your dedication!
Thank you for helping us combat this demon Kira
I'd love to see more matchup guides like this, a lot of helpful tips in this video, and a lot of ways to get better in the matchup, like not get tilted and go for a risky option. Maybe another video explaining how to win as Shiek in the same matchup? Other than that, this video was very helpful, thanks!
Wish this video came out a while ago, but glad its finally here. Been losing this matchup for a long time now 😪. It's so "tilting".
This video has shown me how much more broken d tilt was than I imagined esp paired with his dash back
going to try and make more of a habit to use that move more
I love the sheik matchup. Hard matchups are useful for learning how to deal with difficult shit. It’s not about what’s happening to you, it’s about how you deal with what’s happening to you. Healthy mindset.
Refreshing to read this. I’ve been hating sheik bad recently
Low-level Marth habits that are implied in the video that you should stop doing (from a Sheik main):
1. Fsmashing her recovery immediately - Every Sheik is ready to shield/DI it if you throw it out immediately. Notice how Kira said watch the recovery and walk to space tipper. Don't just wait at the tip of the ledge and cstick forward. Sour spot just gives her another chance to recover.
2. Shielding/fsmashing after getting up from the ledge - like Kira said, don't be impatient, but don't be a sitting duck. Watch for the Sheik to move and stuff her.
3. Full hop double fair/late non-tipper fair in neutral against grounded Sheik - it basically never leads to a combo or grab. Generally just gets CC grabbed. Use more dtilt and db grab instead.
4. Stop counterattack after dthrow - notice how Kira said it's not very easy for Sheik to do much out of dthrow. Don't throw out an aerial immediately (unless you have a read). Move to a position where you can reset neutral or where you can punish her attempt at following up (at low levels, usually ftilt/sh fair).
Diggin the new format dude!
Love this idea of videos. There is definitely a lack of content for match-up specific game plans.
Thanks for the guide ! As a beginner Marth main it was super helpful
Just checked out your game and wishlisted it. Honestly, looks like a lot of fun. Hope the writing in the rest of the game is just as adorable!
I found the casual style really useful. You cover many topics and show many in game examples.
Different level players will see the basics concept or more depending on their skill so it has something
for everyone. Keep them videos coming and congratulations on 100k!
Been watching your vids and learning Melee since 2016 :)
Some of them are classics for me especially the "Are you a X main" series
this guide is amazing ty
Excellent video! Thanks for all of the great tips over the years and this wonderful guide!
Appreciate this channel and your content.
I’m so happy this exists
Really love the video, thanks
i got adblock off for this great channel
thanks for the really nice guide :)
feeling blessed everytime you upload
Fantastic stuff. I would love to see more matchups!
Not going to lie, being patient is not matchup specific. Some of us can definitely learn from this, even if we don't play Marth. I do like the character specific stuff too though, such as the down-tilt into grab follow ups and dash dancing Sheik's approach options.
Ty, y’all are great
Love you Kira
regarding hiding the netplay names, please feel free to ask in the slippi discord if there's anything we might be able to help with!
Great video! Appreciate the content.
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Excelent video guys!
Thanks for the vid brother! yeeeiiis.
Amazing vid, thanks
Gonna try this. Thanks for the video. I usually do ok against shucks unless they needle camp me:/ Very annoying
Please do one of these from falco's perspective vs fox, idk why I'm lost in that match up 😬
The thing I hate about sheik is it seems like she can whiff so many moves and still get the next hit anyway.
Something that rlly helped me with the MU was wavedashing to ledge during edge guarding. If not, the sheik can often get ledge so free
Excellent video this will help me
THANK YOU
you say marth dtilt is broken and unpunishable but dont mention how sheik can cc grab it if it is not perfectly spaced which is strange
yeah seriously you can't do the old PPMD style dtilts from 2015 because everyone now is really good at holding down in today's meta
Dtilt -> in place AC Nair. It will get them trying to punish the dtilt
@ibdw @leffen
Can you make more captain falcon videos please!
thank you!
Never thought this matchup was fun, mostly because when I play well enough to shut her down, sheiks just start needle camping me. Then nobody is having fun
sending zain this vid leff and jmook are no more
You already know 😎
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Hey Kira !
A
(Any anyone reading this)
Im a fairly casual player, but i have been playing for 5ish years now and im friends with darkgenex.
As marth i actually like (in order) the shiek, marth, peach, puff, fox matchups. Falco can be hard. But I absolutely HATE playing Captain Falcon. I find the most success when trying to CC him, dash towards him and just beat his aerials with fsmash, ftilt or dancing blade. I get torn up when i try to dash dance away, specifically, by overshoot nairs and stomps. Which just leads to a knee or a grab knee.
Any insights ?
He can only nair in place or nair with fulll momentum forward. If you stay outside that range or between it he can’t actually hit you (like you said you can dash towards him and it’ll go under his aerials)
@@SSBMTutorials Thanks SSBM tutorials! I Wishlisted kira's game on steam
to think that id have to dislike a video...
(loving the content)
This was great :)
...could you make one for fox-puff 😳
Cries in mewtwo main against marth
Can you make one for luigi??? :( Maybe... ok.
Puff V falcon plz
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@@SSBMTutorials holy shit k
@@SSBMTutorials I dm u
1. Up tilt
2.
sick
You should make a video titled how not to complain in melee.
@5:15 Does anyone know how to get rid of the names in playback? like he mentioned. I can't find the option anywhere
What I would do is start the replay, then right click that version of dolphin on your taskbar (not always the same as the dolphin you use to play Melee)
Then… tbh I forgot lmao but somewhere in the preferences or properties or config or somewhere you can disable the names. I had it on before but my kid messed with my pc and now I can’t right click or use the start menu
Yoo I think I was the sheik from slipi I wish the name was there so I would know for sure but I’m pretty sure I remember playing you my name on there is popper
this has nothing to do with the video but does nintendo still make gamecube controllers? Or are all Gamecube controllers discontinued
I think usually not but sometimes you can find them on Amazon
is dis da press?
At 7:39 what does it mean abt a three frame buffer? Is this for escaping any throw?
It is for escaping any knockback (actually ANY lag, I think... but might be wrong) frameperfectly as soon as it ends, when the input was a bit too early. It is just a (as far as I can tell) universal buffer when using stick-jumping.
Pretty sure this also makes meteor-cancelling more efficient, but needs to be confirmed.
X/Y also have some buffer properties when receiving a lot of knockback (for example when being hit hard offstage), but it's weird and I don't know all of the details. I know it's actually literally random in a sense though. Iirc when you get hit at >100%, there is a 30% chance, that your character will be put into the rapidly-spinning-state, which for some reason seems to prevent X/Y buffer jumping. I learned this while experimenting a couple years ago.
Basically if you use the control stick to jump out of combos, you can do it up to 2 frames too early and it’ll still jump as soon as you possibly can
youre welcome, so uh yea
You ruined Leffen's plan 😔 Zain will body everyone now
One thing that the video didn't mention is that Marth compared to the other Top Tiers actually has a harder time edgeguarding Sheik due to Amsah Teching and the video didn't even mention how to deal with it smh
I guess Fsmash Dtilt would cover it
@@TheBeggies95 and also marth tipper fsmash breaks amsah tech starting at 109% so at that percent marth can go for a tipper fsmash without fearing amsah tech
@@poleon2003 Thanks! I didn't know that
I already know
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