The scow-bowed Revolution 24 is certainly weird, but is it wonderful?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- This mini-cruiser may look quirky, even extraordinary, but wait till you see the space it provides below decks. Toby Hodges steps aboard from the Revolution 24's home port of La Rochelle
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It might not be classically pretty, but as long as that blunt bow is kept above the water I see no reason to dislike it.
But Beauty is Everything... Just ask Jackie of "That 70s show"!!
What a glowing endorsement :D
I'm an instant fan!!! As an ex Minisail owner, I love the scow bow... And the interior space it creates is just awesome!
Another ex Minisail owner here!
The scow is a great old idea brought back to life. I have been using the Musard 29 for 6 years and am delighted with this 8.80m transportable version.
Love to see these kinds of innovative, break-the-mold type designs. Not sure this one is for me, but love to have the variety available anyway. Competition breeds innovation!
Agreed!
It looks like an aluminium pan, but it is, hands down, one of the most curious boats ever presented in this channel.
The concept is I believe sound through and through and it looks like a survival cocoon for an apocalyptical epic where the oceans became the one place to thrive.
Easily (oddly?) one of my favourite vessel that passed through Toby's seaworthy hands...
I hope one day we will have a survival cocoon for an apocalyptical epic.
I thought the same! Finally a boat that is actually well-thought, not simply an expensive toy for showing-off
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I just think it’s great to see something unique that combines a material less often used with unconventional design!
It has AMAZING desing!
10 of 10!
Very nice on a calm sea I would imagine, but if things get a bit lively.... I would love to see her dealing with a decent swell, just to see how she does. The bow design obviously makes her a skimmer, so I would imagine that she would get slapped about a bit.
@Johannes Li Ehhh no... Lemsteraaks never set speed records sailing around Cape Horn, or really anywhere.
It’s like having your stern at the bow
Look at the sailing Frenchmen videos he has a mini transat 650 that he is racing at the moment crossing Atlantic and doing very well in very rough seas
@@martineyer5336 Will do. Thanks Martin.
Sorry, it's kind of beautiful - really is!!
Finally, a fun and seaworthy boat design i can afford! :)
We just built a 42 scow bow, junk rig in berkeley. The Rosie G will llaunch by Christmas. At 42 its giant inside. Scow revolution is legit.
That sounds extremely interesting, you should put up a video of it.
After looking at this strange boat for 9 and a half minutes, I already think she looks awesome in her own way. Bluff, hardy and utilitarian. I can imagine her exploring remote fjords in the high arctic, or something similarly adventurous.
Interesting boat design. My question is where is the chain locker?
Great review of an interesting boat. I think it would be better to call the berth in the bow a u berth instead of a c berth
Certainly better as a U if traditionally it’s a V. For it to be a C would demand traditional bow to be a < ha ha ha
its a D i reckon !
What an interesting concept - likely she would work very well here in Australia - providing there was a lot of flow-through ventilation for the interior - otherwise she looks like a solar oven with that foredeck ! I would also have liked to have seen an image or diagram showing the entire hull for this mini-review. Hopefully there will be a more substantial review of the boat under sail in a 10 - 15 knot breeze and with a bit of chop on the water (to silence the critics of scows - chop is not a problem if you know how to sail one).
Thank you. And yes, I would have loved some more (any more!) breeze too. There are some diagrams on the manufacturer's website: www.afep-marine.com/revolution24-bateau-aluminium-presentation.php
@@yachtingworld - THANK YOU ! This is a very interesting yacht.
YES!
Curious to see how that would deal with the strong counter current or chop.
This kind of hull shape lends itself to skimming on the surface instead of cutting through so they can be surprisingly fast maybe at the cost of tolerating some pounding. Scows are great for lakes, e g. Melges
was thinking the same thing
I have been using the Musard 29 for 6 years and I can confirm that it is no less pleasant than a classic bow sailing boat at Sea
I have been using the Musard 29 for 6 years and I can confirm that it is no less pleasant than a classic bow sailing boat
Fascinating little yacht. Great layout and use of space. Ultra low maintenance also. But for me a boat has to be pretty.
m.ruclips.net/video/tgCMsSqfR1A/видео.html
I agree. Personally I like the sun odyssey 410. It’s an amazing looking boat
It isnt pretty, but is it ugly? I kind of like/accept it
Slightly different price bracket is Endeavour.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
This boat is pretty for me🙂
dutch were doing this a long time ago, add leeboards and a curved gaff.
This is a real sailing boat and i love it.
Great little boat
It would be so great to get a test video of the Revolution 29 as well.
I like it - I can't wait for the Class 40 Scows designs to be de-tuned and adapted for the cruising market
2024-> imoca
It probably gets beat hard in a chop. Also, they've increased the volume, but can't fill it with anything or the front will sit too low and plow water.
i’m wondering if retractable lee boards would possibly work well on this hull design ? sure would free up cabin space…perhaps ballast bilge?…i understand the challenge this might create, but if there is a way to do it and not compromise weight, could be an interesting approach…
Love so much about this boat.
Cpt James Cook sailed the Endeavour , a Whitby Cat, around the world. This is basically a micro version of the hull.
i think these are beautiful yachts because they perform beautifully .... and i think anyone who thinks its ugly would think the same, the more miles they get under the keel.
A big little boat indeed! ⛵
Gorgeous boat.... following architect David Raison since he won the mini.... and afep marine their revolution 29 is even nicer
Would absolutely love to ride this one.
Step forward the first man to commission a scow bowed super maxi… I can’t wait.
Nice boat, looks like it sails well.
Looks like it would make a nice boat for 3-4 night outing for 3-4 people, likely well behaved with no nasty surprises in handling and the ability to ground. Add a small porta-bote tender and you could have a lot of fun exploring coastal shallows.
The only down side I see would be those windows on the forward deck in hotter climates, you'd need to keep them covered from sun up to sun down or it'd be an oven inside.
It’s beautiful
Sailing Frenchman is been using this design, racing.
Merci pour cette belle vidéo . La masse du lest n'est pas l'élément unique déterminant pour la raideur à la toile . Les scow ont une meilleure raideur à la toile car plus de volume immergé sous le vent et donc plus de poussée archimédienne .
D'autre part , ce qui compte est le moment de redressement ( dépendant le la profondeur de la quille et de la masse du lest )
Très beau bateau et très beau concept d'avenir avec énormément d'idées ingénieuses .
Bravo !
I would put my own subsized diesel in it and insulate most of it with cork, like a submarine. That's a really choice boat.
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@@yachtingworld I don't really know where that boat comes from, or how you order one. I guess if you preorder, you can get options like a hanking jib and send your own motor and prop.
Wow! Not a scow as I know 'em, but this & the MacGregor are definitely compelling little sailboats.
These could be an entry Bennettaeu etc sub-brand, just make grp instead of aluminium & tidy it all up.
_Before the hydroplane era, I raced "Classic Moths". It was scows v skiffs before hydros. Crazy little boats._
_Scows dominated flat waters, any real chop & the skiffs could point much higher. I had one of each._
question? is it still self righting or will it just lie upside down when knocked over?
A cruising class mini 6.5! Cool.
No Anchor Box.... so only what for people who are every evening back in the harbor.
How fast will the water drain if the cockpit is swamped in following seas? Are the scuppers adequate to shed those pounds the girl will suddenly put on?
Is all 300 kg ballast at the deep end of that 1.9 meter keel?
Or is some of it internal?
Clearly an unusual design, but a lot of boat for the price.
What’s the purpose of a bow like this? Can anyone explain?
For the lakes... yes: for Australian lakes? most, for west Ozzie coastal cruising I don’t think so, it would do well around the Gold Coast but would need to be trailerable at this length as moorings are a 12 year wait and marina berths for the rich who wouldn’t buy it. I like it, if it’s below $150AUD with all the usuals that usually without being ridiculous can add up to double the price of a Beneteau it’s a good thing.
One would think the bow design would have to cause the boat to “hobby horse” in rough seas. I’d bet it surfs down waves like crazy however. Can’t argue about all the utility of the extra space below deck however. Great experiment.
This would be a fun Great Lakes solo distance racer....
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Fantastic, id buy one. Going upwind with a few feet of slop, terrible. Id still buy one.
As weird as it looks I think it's a brilliant idea.
i like how very usefull and utilitarian everything looks. Does the bow shape work upwind as well? I imagine it to be very difficoult to sail against even the smallest waves.
I've not sailed one, but "the sailing frenchman" (YT channel) has sailed a scow bowed mini in the mini transat so you can see his youtube channel for how this style of boat sails in all wind conditions, apparently it's better upwind than a traditional pointy bow boat.
@@daveamies5031 thanks for the tip, will look into that
Very good. I’m keen to see a 13 M model.
Looks like it would make a great wind-powered icebreaker...
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I'm comparing this beauty to a Beneteau 30.1. It's very durable, light, interesting for furious storms, and has a lot of utility. I'm sure I'll feel very safe in one. Cork is a proven insulation in submarines. Can it tack well?
Great concept, scows are probably the future. seems a bit on the heavy side especially considering the utilitarian style it's finished in. Think a more reasonable weight for a 24ft cruiser with 300 kg ballast would have been like 1000kg, probably down to the aluminium construction. cool concept tho
But what's the anchor set up?
That’s a cool looking boat, but what happens when one of those bow windows break
Beautiful
Very different... I actually think it looks quite pretty too.
With all that freeboard, it reminds me a little of a MacGregor. So right from the off, the bar can't get any lower for this boat!
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Reminds me of Tom Wilkes’ “SCHUSS” JOG Boat built by his Viking Marine out of stretched aluminum on the same production line as the ships lifeboats about 1958/9x
Anyone have a picture of her.
I have an Aerial photo and some 8 mm film , but nothing more.
Looks like it gripes quite a bit meeting a wave, does it take a lot of work at the helm?
Lots of interior space and glass but I'd feel trapped up front. If those big roof windows opened, now you got something!
would like to see the hull shape out of the water sometime or underwater, use that swim platform!
Could you circumnavigate in a boat such as this?
Might take a few bucks to rig it. And it carries a bit less length on the keel than a Mini 6.5, but I think it would only take a brave and capable person to make it happen
@@weatheranddarkness or a very lucky fool
J'adore ce ⛵👍🤩
In terms of space my old 1974 Hurley '24 gave me 6ft standing headroom, had 4 berths, a separate heads, a galley area, and looked after you.....no doubt this is faster.
The perfect inch by inch replica used in master & commander is moored at the San diego naval museum.
The scow bow looks just like this sailboat.
It's an ancient design that allows for a broader beam and shallower keel. The bow and beam provide the buoyancy to counteract healing & plunging.
Someday, narrow & sharp "pretty" boats will look obsolete and dated with an obvious form over function emphasis.
Horses for courses. If you graphed relative boat mass, power and bow shape and seastate and length and design speed against eachother you’d have probably eight intersecting lines. Modern scows work as well as they do because their power to weight ratio is such that that planing is within the realm of possibility. Most planing designs can afford to be blunt instruments, but once you keep going up the speed and sea state lines it starts to become beneficial again to keep the bow from lifting.
@@weatheranddarkness Sail warships were designed for platform stability. Clippers were designed for speed while carrying cargo.
Take away the cargo, and what provides the fastest hull shape? Planing.
So now we have a non plunging bow, a broader beam, two rudders/wheels *and* much more power in both rigging/sail strength.
The only thing holding back full scows on expensive boats is perception. Each iteration gets closer, but we're probably years away as new models slowly introduce fuller bows
what an amazing design for a home builder
OK, I'll get one.
How does it sail? Comfort is great, but what are the aquadynamics?
All of the mini Transat boats I saw were Scow-bowed. It seems wrong but you can't ignore it.
Certainly interesting, but I'd hold off on calling it more until I'd spent a couple of days in nasty weather, or trying to go upwind into a nasty chop or square waves. And to see if it is well balanced enough to hold a course with no one on the helm.
Sven Yrvind
The mini 650s with the scow bows have a good reputation for sailing upwind
Love it!
Build it in a 36’ version ❤
I like it’s functional form and the space would like to see a 28 foot version
There is a 29 foot version out now
ruclips.net/video/xdWzA7XihGA/видео.html
I wonder how that bow would cope with large waves
It could not be buried.
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A whole lot more than a 'bit' there, bucko.
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How is 'full standing headroom' different from regular headroom?
Interesting boat. I'd love to know how she sails...
Clever design. What might their team do with a slightly longer LOA?
There's a Revolution 29 too, you might want to check that out
I don't understand all the negativity. Looks normal from most angles. Lots of space inside too. The bow looks odd because we've become accustomed to the vertical stem shape. I bet the old guard thought that was a terrible look too, compared to clipper bows.
In a decent breeze I reckon she'd be a rocketship downwind.
Most of the negative comments come from keyboard muppets who don’t sail.
I was preplexed with the design, until Toby mention it's french, then it all make sense
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Hmm, I like it, similar to a cat boat,,,Catsme-scow?
NICE
How much does that beauty go for?
we call that kind of keel a 'daggerboard' over here
It looks like a dry-out cell in the basement of a football stadium.
Спасибо за материал!!! Шверт или киль???
A 40 footer like this might be very nice.
Nice !!
Not going to win a beauty contest but interesting!
Where's the anker and chain locker?
All the questions in the comments would be answered by watching
The sailing Frenchman ,channel.
Bombastic)))) 👍
Interesting
Is there a video of him sailing into the wind, (orca) in rough seas? high waves? This is all on calm seas with little wind and calm seas.
Mini transat for the masses?
But, how DOES it beat to windward?
I do have a technical question though... there is a line to pull up the keel, but is there one to keep it down? What happens if you capsize?
John Manderson!