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I am oneness Pentecostal. My Pastor left his fulltime job and went full-time and I watch him go hungry and used the tithes coupled with his wife's earnings to care of the poor. He built four houses for people while struggling to build his own home. I watch this same Pastor used monies received from tithes couple with earning from his dedicated wife to minister to a man who had a terminal illness and was neglected by his own family. I proudly pay my tithes and offerings.
I’m a member of Pentecostals of Hattiesburg and we are currently under construction, tearing down walls and making the sanctuary bigger. We’re growing! I find it such a blessing to be able to have a part in giving tithes and offering to see more souls won to God. When someone comes in and you see them filled with the Holy Ghost it’s the most excitement a person can feel. My pastor wouldn’t be able to do so without the giving of the saints. You’d be surprised how much it cost just to buy the new chairs. There’s so much that goes into building a church.
@@christiantarver211 Amen well said. The Lord bless you for giving with a willing heart and souls in mind.
I have been a oneness Pentecostal for over 30 years and I can say that my church leadership has handled finances in an ethical and careful way. Tithing has been taught and practiced by other church groups besides Oneness Pentecostals for centuries. I personally feel it is a beautiful and fair plan to sustain God‘s church. If some pastors have abused their position of leadership, then they will have to answer to God, and I would not want to be in their shoes.
Amen! Thank you Bro.Urshan for standing for truth! Keep building God's church!
I GIVE because I owe JESUA wvwrythig. And I love my church
Obey GOD always.
Biblos is a blessing
I count it a privilege to pay my Tithe! It’s a blessing to be able to give offerings for missions and other things! Bro Urshan I heard Your Great Grandfather preach in the early 60s I would have been 8 or 9 years old! At first Pentecostal Church in Jackson, Ms! Bro Thomas L Craft was the Pastor! 🙏🙌🙏❤️
I'm honored the Lord is allowing me to hear wonderful teachings in truth.
Ok so I should avoid those conversations they come against the truth??
So good. Listening to Pastor Tom Trimble on Kingdom speak recently, he said about learning to suffer WITHOUT being offended. Sadly, this generation is offended about every iota. Whatever made this young man take as an offence, justly or unjustly, made him suffer (again, with or w/o just cause). I hope he builds an altar of repentance and casts his cares on Jesus soon. Tithing is a joy.
I count it a privilege to pay Tithe and offerings!🙏❤️🙏❤️
This is such a mature episode. God be praised
i feel it an honor to be able to pay my tithes an offerings
I do too!!
I agree. When people neglect this they rob God and themselves of this special form of worship and thanksgiving.
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Yes AMEN! you've done it correctly. the best ways to contend for the truth is to "preach IT: THE TRUTH!"
God bless you all pastor and Bishop and all member
Thank you Bro for bringing this out in such a humble way . That’s the way we all should be when attacked by others . What a blessing
Thank you for standing for the truth God bless you Bro. Urshan🙏🙏🙌🙌❤️
Great biblical teaching!
Always enjoy the content sir, the only disagreement is the statement " no women before the 1960s wore pants". This may be a true statement in regards to american culture but through history we see that both sexes wore pants at different times and still had gender distinctions. Some wore robes both sexes, kilts in other cultures.
As always appreciate the content and always learn a few things. God bless keep up the great work.
Awesome Devotion Pastor Urshan
What a great word Pastor Urshan!
Amazing Episode Pastor Urshan!!! Praise God!
Just a lay minister here for the 18-30 year olds at my church.... but I am always blown away with how often I am approached and asked to be the judge, jury, and executioner, when situations arise. It's not even a large minority of Saints, it's usually just a few. I remind them that I am none of those things. I am here to help people grow in faith, and help them navigate when life and the enemy hit them full force. It is unfortunate that some have turned the word of God into a physical sword. I often quote Bro Urshan when he said, "You cannot legislate holiness." Instead, we teach and preach the principles and purposes for what we do, and encourage our saints to turn to the word in every situation. My Pastor always says, "There are 3 sides to every situation. Two of them are the peoples, but the only right side is Jesus' side." It's hard to humble ourselves and forgive, but we are always wrong when we step off the narrow path.
Thank you Bro Urshan for all that you do for the kingdom 🙏🏼❤️🔥
@@rm70x7 My dad who was my Pastor also taught us that "you cannot legislate holiness" he got it from Bishop N. A. Urshan
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Welcome To The Biblos Network
00:02:19 - Tearing Down Oneness Pentecostals
00:04:38 - Responding To Criticism
00:06:43 - The Power Of Introspection
00:08:53 - Addressing Misuse Of Authority In Oneness Believers
00:10:56 - Criticizing Pentecostalism
00:13:08 - Tithing In The New Testament
00:15:09 - Giving Tithes And Offerings In Different Religions
00:17:11 - Giving Tithes And Offerings
00:19:14 - Deconstructionism And Mischaracterization
00:21:16 - The Power Of An Endless Life And Tithing
00:23:19 - Duty To Minister In Carnal Things
00:25:30 - The Importance Of Tithes And Offerings
00:27:39 - The Scriptural Basis For Tithing
00:29:30 - Ministry With Humble Origins
00:31:27 - The Accountability Of Apostolic Churches
00:33:28 - The Importance Of Tithing And Offering
00:35:28 - The Importance Of Gender Distinction
00:37:48 - The Deconstruction Of Biblical Commandments
00:39:39 - The Danger Of The Postmodernist Perspective
00:41:43 - Criticism And False Prophets
00:43:48 - Beware Of False Prophets
00:45:57 - Preaching The Gospel
00:47:59 - Overcoming Attacks And Spreading The Gospel
Amen! ❤️🙏🏻
Good teaching and truth.
Thankful to give to the kingdom 🙏
Bless you bro urshan.
it is about loving people and I feel that's important, but it makes me excited when people hate on me. After all, they are the ones who God is going to reach down to because they truly deep down are really pondering their walk and making videos or saying things because deep down they are lying to themselves but the whole time are really convicted. they take the truth to hate on you or take truth in to prove you wrong, but at least they are getting the truth.
People should be grateful to pay a mere 10% ! Many sold ALL they had and laid it at the apostles feet! 10% is getting off the hook quite easily considering that.
This is very good i needed tk see this as it is happening more and more its happening to me here at my brother's house. I get told that the bible is fantast when i know by the HolyGhost seyting me free
Jesus is coming back and making sure I haven't backslid again because I have in past , that's beside the point the point is Jesus and repenting to Him praying without ceasing. We still have to like sister Vesta preached pulling them out of the fire.
A ‘friend’ of mine approached me under the guise of designing a survey on churches that practiced tithing. Everything came to a quick halt when I answered one of her first questions about unemployed pastors when I answered that just about all that I knew were not. 😂😂😂
From righteous Abel to Abraham we see tithes well before Moses received the law! So glad you brought those examples up, and how Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchizedec to whom Abraham gave the tenth part!
You think these are valid points? Then it should be noted then so was Circumcision before the Law and what happened to that? do we adhere to that Covenant/Law today? I think if Paul wasn't so in your face with Peter, we would be preaching that man should be today because there are so many that don't realize that all that back then were old covenants God made with Israel but today, we All live under a New Covenant. and all the Ceremonial Laws are done away with because of Christ. Wake up Church
@@mikeeagan1307 I do think they are valid points. Jesus taught about giving monetary offerings, but I don't know that he ever commanded or even commended anyone to be circumcised. Also, the point of tithes is practical not merely symbolic. And as bro Urshan pointed out it predates the law, and even circumcision. If you are against tithing then you dishonor Jesus who said that we should give and it would be given to us pressed down, and shaken together, and overflowing. Generosity is not of the law and death, but of the Spirit unto life.
@@keithparker5625 Excuse me it was the Law Jesus himself was circumcised the 8th as required by the Law but because this was a ceremonial Law and it was done away with the priesthood because of the new Covenant we have with Christ
@@keithparker5625 Nothing I said was against monetary offerings. The offerings that are spoken in Malachi are Sacrificial on a Altar Offerings and not what you may be thinking or how it is preached
@@mikeeagan1307 Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that you ought to tithe.
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I was gonna say its a burnt offering...we just burn the offering
On the matter of tithing, I refuse to be concerned about what others do. It is my decision to tithe or not tithe. I very much believe in tithing and have been blessed beyond measure for making that decision to tithe in my life. To assume that every pastor is taking money to enrich themselves is a dishonest view.
I’m third generation Apostolic, I love holiness, I love Bro Urshan’s ministry. I LOVE THE CHURCH!
Personal statistics aren’t sufficient to prove scripture( I have my personal statistics) and many pastors I know personally teach tithing to enrich themselves, their speech and lifestyle is the strongest indicator.
The single fold ministry (pastors) have done a disservice to the kingdom. This group has become some of the wealthiest among us, even though it was impossible for the High Priests or Levites to increase wealth, they didn’t own any property.
I don’t feel men should take an oath of poverty to minister. However, our great Apostle Paul refused financial assistance to some degree. So where is the mandate?
I love Biblos! I’ve learned much from this program, and I will continue to listen to this voice in my life! I do not speak from hurt, but the Diotrophes and King Sauls are ubiquitous In Pentecost.
I would actually like to sit down and talk with Bro. Urshan someday, but I’m not sure time or distance will permit. My desire is not to tear down or debate either.
Continue on Bro Urshan! I love this work!
You bring up a good point. It is true that this misuse has hurt people.
@@pastorurshanI come from extreme distress. I’m not looking for a reason to quit. How could I?
My Lord is my Rock and my Fortress!
I’ve studied the Bible my entire life. I’ve prayed and fasted, but WOW! There has been so much Spiritual enlightenment, Revelation and putting pieces together following this broadcast,
Bro Urshan, you are a great Bible teacher!
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Thank you for supporting our efforts. I have a burden to strengthen our people and enlighten new saints with the great apostolic truths. Blessings to you.
@@pastorurshan your wisdom in validating the hurt and wounded is the only chance of winning them back, and you always objectively give them a ‘voice’ Most everyone wants to be heard and validated!
A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: And their contentions are like the bars of a castle.
I know you love the CHURCH!
watching from the Philippines
Amen ❤❤❤
Obviously these detractors needed to be further immersed in the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost writes tithe and offering in the heart!
The biblos network, you can't answer my question without twisting the scriptures and making things up.
Brother Urshan. Your preaching has kept me from giving up in a dark hour of life.
I do have to lovingly say, when you started out referring to other churches as Christians, we either have to earmark that what we’ve is the only way or not. Because if others can be saved another way and be labeled Christians then our way isn’t the way, its just a way.
The baptism of The Holy Ghost is the salvation experience. And its not taught anymore except in apostolic oneness and some pentacostal churches.
The time of the gentile is almost fulfilled ans a false bride is creeping in to the last refuges where The Holy Ghost once was. And nobody sees it.
I was always taught from my pastor the tithe belongs to God and the offering is sacrificial
The Bible says the tithes went to the priests and the offering is for the building. They built the tabernacle with offerings.
@JivTurky1986 The Tithe went to the Levites.The Offerings, well there were 5 of them... Burnt, Grain, Peace, Sin, and the Trespass and none of them had money involved. The one that you must be referring to is the special offering that God asked for to build the Temple. The Offerings that Tithing Preachers always quote is Malachi 3:8. This is always implied wrong because God is wanting the correct Animal and Grain Offerings that He was scolding them for in the book of Malachi
@@mikeeagan1307 (Exo 25:2-9) God asked for an offering of precious metals, gemstones, skins, and oils to build Him a sanctuary/tabernacle. This is where I believe the offering (anything above and beyond the tithe) should be used for the house of God. I believe the tithe goes to the Pastor and that it’s unfair to ask Him to pay for the utilities and repairs of the church out of his own pocket.
@@mikeeagan1307 the Bible talks about robbing God in tithe and offering .
Malachi 3:8-12
King James Version
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.
It’s a principle of wanting to be blessed in all ways of life. Yes they use the offerings to bless other churches but that’s how the church of the living God blesses others. But it all starts with giving it to God first.
47:35 amen
Hi Bro Urshan, i have a remark on Matthew where Jesus was telling the Pharresee about their tithe...wouldn't you agree they were still under the Law?
Hebrews 7:18-22 can you articulate ?
Of course they were still under the Law, but he fails to bring that point out only he wants you to believe that Jesus was teaching on tithing which wasn't the case. This point he makes he is often called on, but he still continues to teach it the same way.
@mikeeagan1307 Also the commandment was for the Levites.
We have our issues, it’s why we can’t come together into one organization. Everyone wants the preeminence. Pastors are not uniquely protected from sin. Accountability for saints and pastors both needs to be local. If your accountability isn’t local, it doesn’t exist.
I don't mean to squirrel with your tithing theology (wait a minute, yes I do), but it's not just Jesus, but the whole church who are priests after the order of Melchisedec (IPet. 2:9). Patterned after the Levitical priesthood (Aaron and sons as High Priest - the remaining Levites as priests) which was patterned after things in heaven, the Melchisedecian priesthood features its High Priest, Jesus (Though Psa. 110:4 says only "priest", Hebrews repeatedly refers to Jesus as the "High" priest after the order...), and the wider "royal priesthood", is the church. The Millenium will demonstrate this overtly (Rev. 1:6, 5:10, 20:6) as "kings and priests" do not designate 2 different groups, but one group - the royal priesthood. Today when we offer the sacrifices of our body and of praise and thanksgiving to God, we do so as Melchisedecian priests, our high priest, our "hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; (20) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec."
One interesting point some being up in tithing is in deuteronomy I believe it speaks of people eating their tithe,
Maybe you can elaborate on that one day?
I think its deuteronomy but I could be wrong
@Dallendh He totally wipes out the Levitical Priesthood way of tithing and brings in the New Melchizedek way of tithing...but he will still use key verses from the Law to prove tithing is still for the Church. He is confusing because I don't think anyone has heard it explained this way.
Acts20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
My favourite verse about tithing is Deuteronomy 14:22-26. You know, when God encourages his people to use the tithe to buy whatever their hearts desire, naming alcohol as an example. And they are to celebrate the Lord their God with said items.
If the Oneness Apostolic church believes tithing is for today, surely they practice this, right? I’ll have to find my way to one of their churches to visit the next time they throw one of these parties. Hopefully they have some radlers!
They fail to read and explain these scriptures they would have to do way more double talking than they already do
@@mikeeagan1307 yeah it would definitely be tough for him to fit this tithing command into his idea of it. Obviously I was being cheeky in my initial comment, but my attempt was to make the point that Oneness Pentecostals don’t even know what tithing was in the Old Testament. For those who do know and still contend that it is for the New Testament church, I don’t understand how a church leader could be that dishonest.
Old Testament tithing was not 10% of your income going to church leaders. Most of the Old Testament commands about tithing, including the one I mentioned in my last comment are not followed in any Oneness church. It’s arbitrary and dishonest to try to enforce this as a rule in the church. If God’s people need a 10% rule to give to his kingdom, you have to wonder if they are really God’s people.
@Brock2048 Yes indeed I agree. I don't understand him since he knows the Scriptures well and know the arguments and then he fails to prove "Scripturally" his beliefs which shows you he is hiding the truth. Did you hear his podcast in 2022 on Tithing? He got a lot of flack on that one
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Good morning gentlemen,
I remember our dialogue previously. I strive to give the most simple take on subjects that I can.
These are some bullet points:
- Tithe is Pre-law. The law with its nuance concerning agriculture and husbandry comprise the form of commerce of the day. We do not conform to the legalities of OT Judaic law. Tithing was in place long before that.
An example would be, we wear modest clothing because it is a principle in the OT carried into the NT. We do not observe the cotton/linen laws. Or we buy and purchase land because it is part of commerce but we do not conform to land Sabbath laws and inheritance laws. To impose Levitical law onto principles that predate them and still exist is a mistake. Tithing is not Levitical. It is superior to the Levites in that it is Mekchizedekian and Levi paid tithes in the loins of Abraham. The less is blessed of the better.
- The priesthood of Melchizedek is an unchangeable priesthood. It has the power of an endless life.
- Jacob gave the tenth of “of all that thou shalt give me”. That is what we do as well.
- Abraham and Jacob both gave tithe. It records it once. That does not mean it only happened once. As Melchizedek was High Priest of that day, it was a standard practice and Abraham modeled it for us. Jacob couldn’t give the Tithe of “all that God would give him” if it was just a one time commitment.
- Hebrews plainly states that “here men that die receive tithe”. The tithe is mentioned multiple times in the chapter. It is New Testament because the priesthood of Melchizedek is the Supreme New Testament priesthood and it never changes.
- It is not true that people that give out of how they feel give more. The churches that closed during Covid for the most part had adopted this same doctrine and no one gave. They no longer exist. In Europe the same happened in the 1900’s. The church is almost invisible in secularized Western Europe because of this doctrine.
- The video isn’t about tithing. It is about a man that criticizes apostolic people without dialogue. Tithing was simply the topic he chose. I reference it within the larger context.
- The “flak” you mention was far less than the overwhelming support we received. I am aware that there are some that want to try to make the Tithe a Levitical thing and eliminate giving (you may not feel that way but it is what practically happens on the large scale).
- If you claim to be Apostolic and teach this, you are renouncing scripture as well as the teaching of the men and women who went before you. The churches you attend or listen to were not paid for by people who give whenever they feel like it. The foreign revivals are not funded by periodic givers. It is tithe and offering that paid for them, funded their ministries, continue to do so, etc.
- Urshan, Kilgore, Becton, Haney, Mangun, Glass, Bernard et al. in the UPCI along with a host of others in the the other organizations taught/teach this. It is how the work of God is funded.
- There are no apostolic movements that teach against tithing reaching the world. If you can name them I’d like to know of them. From a scriptural and a practical point of view tithing is God’s plan.
- I have started multiple churches as have others. I have never met a man or woman that started a church in the USA or overseas that did so without tithing and offering.
- The vast majority of ministers live a life of sacrifice. They build churches with very little. Those who are faithful in Tithe and Offering are quite small in comparison to the business world where people pursue money blindly. Those who give faithfully without a revelation of Tithe are non-existent from a practical standpoint. A few here and there the might give in this fashion are a scintilla of givers. You may feel strongly about this but every where it has been put in to effect it violated the Word of God and the Work of God almost always disappears in that region shortly thereafter. We who give tithe then often purchase their buildings and put true apostolic churches in their place.
These are my thoughts and the facts as I know them. I hope it helps.
@@pastorurshan Good Morning to you and thank you for your reply. I do believe you and i will never agree, but I have to say that I do think I understand how you think you can pick and choose from the Laws given on Tithing because of your Melchizedek statement. Since nothing from God was mentioned about tithing or even giving anything to Him, I can see how Abraham and Jacob would resort to what they only knew of which was the Mesopotamia/Babylonian ways. Abraham chose to give, and some say Jacob bargained with God in order to get blessed. BUT God didn't set up His way of supporting His Temple/Levites. He didn't want this way for His people and i can say this because God tried to warn His people through Sammuel about having a King. Thet would be Taxed /Tithed to where they couldn't bear it because it curses the poor and oppresses the weak. God's plan didn't hurt them it helped them. But they chose it anyway. And money. They had money it is throughout scripture money was used by all. The word money is used 26 times in Genisis, 10 times in Exodus, Lev. 6 times. 400 shekels bought Sarah's tomb and silver was traded for Joeseph, should I go on. We see money being exchanged in the Gospels, did God change His tithing regulations then? No, He didn't. Then why did the church leaders change it knowing that God changes not (Malachi 3)
I didn't say or imply not to Give. You think people won't give enough, is that the problem? Phil. 4:10-23 and 2Cor.9:6-9 being led by the Spirit; I'm Inspired to Give not Required. Paul was sent to the Gentiles to preach the Gospel and not one time did he mention tithing just giving. But the church today we are told; "Will a man rob God... You are cursed with a Curse" Go to the Law to compel them and don't let the Spirit move
Don’t give ear to barking dogs…
I watched a few his videos .. I see a lot of these however the ones I usually see deal with standards and how Pentecostal women dress
What’s his channel
@@AiressVillegas-sy1sm the ones on standards? I’m not sure the girl’s name or channel. I came across them on instagram. If I see them again I’ll share the page. I usually just ignore them and go on.
@@AiressVillegas-sy1sm Round Table
Abraham gave tithes. John 8:39
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. If we are of Abraham’s seed through Christ, then we should do the works of Abraham.
Abraham only gave of the spoils of the victory and then gave the rest back to the kings, should we do that? Abraham only did this once
Total nonse se.
Do not mix up salvation by grace with being anti Oneness. Their is only one god and he saved us on the Cross with his blood and there is nothing i can DO to save myself it was done on the cross by his works not by mine.
Grace THROUGH FAITH (Eph 2:8). Living faith is visible by works of obedience (Jam 2:18). The gospel by itself won’t save anyone. They have to OBEY it to be saved (2 Thes 1:7-9; 1 Pet 4:17).
You want to get into all the debating again? It's all good it makes one dig deeper. But you really didnt explain the Biblical questions/points as you remember that were given to you. Just as you did here, you mention that you hear all of them brining up: tithing was only pertaining to herds and crops commanded by God, etc. But you never explain how they are wrong; you spend more time telling stories than explaining God's word with His Word. Round Table spent very little time in explaining The First Fruits application and you really dont, you make it sound like its tithing, it does make one wonder. You definitely don't give a satisfactory Biblical answer on how the transition from food sources to money occurred. You had the perfect opportunity to Biblically answer. For example, Abram and Jacob gave a tenth of by Choice they were not required to as Malachi writes and you dont address that remember we are robbing God if we dont. You should give a detailed study on Biblical tithing (Hebrews is not teaching tithing in chapter 7, its proving to the Hebrews who Christ was) and not just mainly stories. Too many Prosperity Preachers do a good enough job of that.
I read through the comments and got the impression that you're against tithing, but after reading this comment, it seems that you're suggesting better tips to him to make a better case for tithing. I'm sorry, but curiosity has the best of me-what is your stance on the matter? 😅
Tithing is not for the Church today but Giving and being led by the Spirit is!
Ah, okay, just wondering.
By the way, I accidentally taped on your profile and noticed you were subscribed to the Biblos Network and David Bernard, so out of curiosity again, are you a Oneness Pentecostal?
@@ShyGuy_238 Yes, I have been with them for the past 40 years, but because I really started to read and study the Word for the past 15 years and just not take the preachers word for it, I have found that their Holiness Standards are very much at fault. I stand firm on Baptism and being filled with Hid Spirit. And you?
@@mikeeagan1307
Yes, I am. I agree with their holiness standards for the most part. The only time I disagree is when some preachers preach against facial hair, but honestly, that’s very rare, and I’ve never heard one preach against it in person. Plus, David Bernard spoke about it in a podcast, and he said that it’s not a part of holiness; it’s just something that some preachers don’t prefer.
Anyway, continue to spread the message of Oneness and being filled with the Holy Spirit! Regardless of whether you disagree with holiness standards outwardly, preach having holiness standards inwardly!
God bless.
“This Apostolic Pentecostal Church” is the ONLY hope for our children on the face of the planet earth. Thank you to all who give to the Lord. Both bringing to this magnificent storehouse what is his, and what is your very own personal sacrifices. 🩸✝️✝️✝️ 25:29
The only Church that will be saved is the book of Acts Church.
@@steve.coulon9846that’s Right!!!