Thanks for the excellent detailed coverage. The visual display of the timeline you put together lays out the facts so clearly. I hope the prosecution can do something to visual the timeline as you have so it is easy for the jury to understand.
Defense theory is completely bonkers, with girls being driven from park to somewhere else, then taken back in the wee hours of the night to the same park, and killed completely in the dark! Did they use flashlights???
I disagree that RA has deteriorated the last few years from guilt. Someone who commits a crime like this has no conscience therefore they don't feel guilt. I personally think he's just been looking over his shoulder every minute of the day and worried about getting caught. He's only been worried about himself.
I don't think you can do this horrendous crime without being a psychopath. And this kind of people don't use to feel remorse, regret, confess and that's also why they can kill innocent children in the first place. I think RA did it but I don't know why he search for redemption. It dosen't sound sincere, as if the killer had a conscience. If so, how can you then do this?
I really thought BB was gonna screw things so that sounds pretty fair, she's no help to the defence. I think the jurors are just exploring every possibility.
Great Job Grey as always!! Thank you for telling the truth and being honest. I wish you were at the trail it's hard to believe a lot of people that are there. It's pretty simple that RA did this and if People had common since and we're not stupid it would be in plain sight. Hope you do a show everyday and a special show after he gets the guilty verdict for all the delusional idiots that support him.
The way they correctly adjusted Hoosier Harvest Store cam was comparing it to Betsy Blair's fitbit run log data she provided. Store cam was 54 minutes off, but fitbit log determined all cars that passed by were off by 54 minutes
Thank you for the effort that you put into your podcast I live in a small town near Delphi and as such, I can really relate to these two young ladies whose lives were taken
I'm super interested and waiting for Dan Dulin s testimony I really wanna know if that bridge guy video was released before or After Allen approached Dulin to me that's a key piece of evidence
Gray, t feel your experience with & your understanding & concerns for this case are far superior to what these other utubers even see or know. I certainly understand why you can’t be there, your family should always come first ! And the way this is being handled there at the court house, would probably give you a coronary. ( I think it would me too ) I can’t see you putting up with that nonsense . & The lack of the others understanding of the case for the most most is disgusting. I have been appalled at the way this is being done there, & the way most of the media, don’t have a clue as to the actual facts. I care very much about this case, I want to see this murderer convicted ! Thank you for continuing to stand mostly alone in this ( as far as other utubers & media are concerned ) but NOT alone with those in the public & community who support the conviction of this guilty man !
I watched Cicero's pre-trial testimony about blood patterns. It doesn't make sense...but maybe the killer already premeditated that he wanted to confuse those investigating the scene. I strongly see no other option than Abby was already in Libby's clothing when she was killed, and because there is no blood flow on her anywhere, killer must've slashed her at that final resting spot when Abby was lying down there, because Cicero testified that blood would've been elswhere on the clothing and on her body had she moved or was standing up when it happened or if she was redressed afterward. I gather too that Libby's slashing happened by the tree nearest Abby and Libby's arm and handpalm likely made the 'upside down L' mark on the tree (the FAKE 'F' pic that floated around; yeah it was altered) after she had been cut and blood was pouring onto her arms from grasping at her neck. Then she must've went down on the opposite side of tree from the arm mark and her blood smeared on the bottom portion of that tree. She ended up where the largest pooling was (below Abby's feet in pic) and was dragged from that point to her final resting spot (blood trail drag marks as dots in pic); the arm he dragged her by is up and other arm down. I'm trying to play it out in my head, and can see it possible that they crossed the creek and all clothes were soaking wet from crossing, then killer maybe ordered them to undress, then for whatever reason Abby puts on Libby's jeans and hoodie, ends up on her back and is slashed in order to kill/incapacitate her and now his focus is just one instead of controlling two girls. Still I wonder how her blood was only in the one spot where she lay...like did he order her hands inside the chest part of the hoodie then push her down and straddle her and then slash her so she couldn't move? Seems like that might leave some forensic evidence though; his clothes rubbing up against Libby's clothes on Abby. Like, I'm just trying to play this out in my head (I'm not saying this is what happened; just a playsible scenario). Cicero said all the other blood at scene was Libby's, so that leads me to believe he neutralized Abby first then focused on Libby. Makes sense that the clothes were all still damp nearly 24hrs later since they crossed the creek and were soaking wet at time of murder. Libby's phone was found under Abby's legs, and also makes sense if that phone got water damaged and was maybe turning on and off and sporadically retrieving data. Nothing whatsoever suggests that any part of this crime happened anywhere but the crime scene, and nothing (so far) suggests that anyone physically accessed the phone at 4:30am. Does it seem to you though that LE made many missteps during all investigations from 2017 until now? Or do you feel like they are just being painted in that light by defense unfairly?
Thanks Grey. And thanks to those who are getting there early every day, unlike vile Julie Melvin who is cutting line & then bringing another with her, she should be ashamed to show up imo.
Needed to be caught up and I have learned so much about Delphi from you. I believe you're the #1 authoritative source for Delphi. Is a book in your future? Good work!
Anya was slurring words badly at times, I did study pharmacology and worked medical shifts with patients who took benzodiazepines.. she might have taken some. This is just my assumption though.👍
With no one that can ID him and no DNA, this is not a slam dunk prosecution. Jury will not be able to agree with the state’s timeline as presented so far
I can understand people have different opinions but I noticed people say the defence theory is bonkers...Is it more bonkers than the fact that the cops never tested the sticks for evidence? Is it more bonkers than Bradley Holders Fb posts days after and before the killings? More bonkers than his son having a direct link to one victim? Allen went to cops and told them he was there and what he wore, it's never been confirmed that BG is actually the killer, even though this channel would like you to believe it because this channel can never admit they may be wrong. Allen may be BG but the killer could've been there even before any of the involved parties arrived, lying in wait for any targets not just these 2 but unfortunately these 2 were the only 2 that actually went fully over the bridge not any of the witnesses went over,how do we know they were not the intended targets to begin with..We just going off the bullet now? The bullet that only matched from a pistol that was actually fired? The bullet, which was said, could've been from agun other than Allens? Or the confessions he made when he was driven to a phsycocotic state in prison? Also, is their theory more bonkers than the fact that, if Allan actually did it, why would he go to police and tell them he was there that day and Oh, "I wore the same clothing as your prime suspect" ? What killer does that? If he was there to snoop on what they may know, why even mention the clothing? Please think with logic,it's free...These kids deserve real justice, not a riddle someone thought of because they were preassured and even went as far as to dismiss the FBI who could've helped them find real justice to begin with because their proud asses wanted to get the prize. Can anyone just explain the maddness I've just typed here...? Because this is where some people are at and it's not supposed to be this difficult to get the answers but here we are.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates alright Mr gray even with all that you just said, I still can't agree with you. And no, even you should admit that the fact those sticks weren't tested is extremely bonkers. But you probably won't so, I guess you lose too
RE: dog spits out powdered pills in food: the powder is probably bitter or it burns the mouth. As a new nurse the facility I worked in had us "taste" the crushed & powdered meds we were giving to the elderly patients.
Thanks for the late nighter..and interview with the folks down there in the lineup at these later hrs...it's now 4:10 am ..🎉
37.3 yards is quite a distance to be able to give an accurate account of what a person looks like. I hope the jury is presented with this information
Thanks for the excellent detailed coverage. The visual display of the timeline you put together lays out the facts so clearly. I hope the prosecution can do something to visual the timeline as you have so it is easy for the jury to understand.
Your story about Blue and giving him his medicine was so cute. 💙
I think RA took Abby's underwear and one sock as trophies, then saw his image on TV as bridge guy, and burned them in the firepit
No one knows this case like you do. Your content is intelligent. Keep doing what you do.
@@HoneySamuels 😂😂😂
That's true, and he has common sense to boot. , bonus.
Thanks Gray!
Very interesting conversation! I like the coverage from the court house !
Hi from Australia, watching while I'm at work.
Defense theory is completely bonkers, with girls being driven from park to somewhere else, then taken back in the wee hours of the night to the same park, and killed completely in the dark! Did they use flashlights???
"Have his way with them" is truly ridiculous and far-fetched.
I disagree that RA has deteriorated the last few years from guilt. Someone who commits a crime like this has no conscience therefore they don't feel guilt. I personally think he's just been looking over his shoulder every minute of the day and worried about getting caught. He's only been worried about himself.
Hmm 🤔 he knows he done for ........monster. crime 💜💜🙏
I don't think you can do this horrendous crime without being a psychopath. And this kind of people don't use to feel remorse, regret, confess and that's also why they can kill innocent children in the first place.
I think RA did it but I don't know why he search for redemption. It dosen't sound sincere, as if the killer had a conscience. If so, how can you then do this?
Allen will be judged by our almighty creator, Allen should be concerned about a literal eternal hell.
@@CJK78 I think the judgement will only be here on earth. This is why these court cases are so important
I really thought BB was gonna screw things so that sounds pretty fair, she's no help to the defence. I think the jurors are just exploring every possibility.
Love your content Greg. Soon as I can I will become a member!
He's going to go down....he's a very sick violent man, I hope he gets his while in prison!!
Great Job Grey as always!! Thank you for telling the truth and being honest. I wish you were at the trail it's hard to believe a lot of people that are there. It's pretty simple that RA did this and if People had common since and we're not stupid it would be in plain sight. Hope you do a show everyday and a special show after he gets the guilty verdict for all the delusional idiots that support him.
Love you, Abby and Libby. Thanks Gray
The way they correctly adjusted Hoosier Harvest Store cam was comparing it to Betsy Blair's fitbit run log data she provided. Store cam was 54 minutes off, but fitbit log determined all cars that passed by were off by 54 minutes
Thank you for the effort that you put into your podcast I live in a small town near Delphi and as such, I can really relate to these two young ladies whose lives were taken
I'm super interested and waiting for Dan Dulin s testimony I really wanna know if that bridge guy video was released before or After Allen approached Dulin to me that's a key piece of evidence
Good information re the distance from 2017 orange barrier to platform #1 (BB testimony)
Gray, t feel your experience with & your understanding & concerns for this case are far superior to what these other utubers even see or know. I certainly understand why you can’t be there, your family should always come first ! And the way this is being handled there at the court house, would probably give you a coronary. ( I think it would me too ) I can’t see you putting up with that nonsense . & The lack of the others understanding of the case for the most most is disgusting. I have been appalled at the way this is being done there, & the way most of the media, don’t have a clue as to the actual facts. I care very much about this case, I want to see this murderer convicted ! Thank you for continuing to stand mostly alone in this ( as far as other utubers & media are concerned ) but NOT alone with those in the public & community who support the conviction of this guilty man !
I watched Cicero's pre-trial testimony about blood patterns. It doesn't make sense...but maybe the killer already premeditated that he wanted to confuse those investigating the scene. I strongly see no other option than Abby was already in Libby's clothing when she was killed, and because there is no blood flow on her anywhere, killer must've slashed her at that final resting spot when Abby was lying down there, because Cicero testified that blood would've been elswhere on the clothing and on her body had she moved or was standing up when it happened or if she was redressed afterward.
I gather too that Libby's slashing happened by the tree nearest Abby and Libby's arm and handpalm likely made the 'upside down L' mark on the tree (the FAKE 'F' pic that floated around; yeah it was altered) after she had been cut and blood was pouring onto her arms from grasping at her neck. Then she must've went down on the opposite side of tree from the arm mark and her blood smeared on the bottom portion of that tree. She ended up where the largest pooling was (below Abby's feet in pic) and was dragged from that point to her final resting spot (blood trail drag marks as dots in pic); the arm he dragged her by is up and other arm down.
I'm trying to play it out in my head, and can see it possible that they crossed the creek and all clothes were soaking wet from crossing, then killer maybe ordered them to undress, then for whatever reason Abby puts on Libby's jeans and hoodie, ends up on her back and is slashed in order to kill/incapacitate her and now his focus is just one instead of controlling two girls. Still I wonder how her blood was only in the one spot where she lay...like did he order her hands inside the chest part of the hoodie then push her down and straddle her and then slash her so she couldn't move? Seems like that might leave some forensic evidence though; his clothes rubbing up against Libby's clothes on Abby. Like, I'm just trying to play this out in my head (I'm not saying this is what happened; just a playsible scenario). Cicero said all the other blood at scene was Libby's, so that leads me to believe he neutralized Abby first then focused on Libby.
Makes sense that the clothes were all still damp nearly 24hrs later since they crossed the creek and were soaking wet at time of murder. Libby's phone was found under Abby's legs, and also makes sense if that phone got water damaged and was maybe turning on and off and sporadically retrieving data.
Nothing whatsoever suggests that any part of this crime happened anywhere but the crime scene, and nothing (so far) suggests that anyone physically accessed the phone at 4:30am.
Does it seem to you though that LE made many missteps during all investigations from 2017 until now? Or do you feel like they are just being painted in that light by defense unfairly?
Thanks Grey. And thanks to those who are getting there early every day, unlike vile Julie Melvin who is cutting line & then bringing another with her, she should be ashamed to show up imo.
Needed to be caught up and I have learned so much about Delphi from you. I believe you're the #1 authoritative source for Delphi. Is a book in your future? Good work!
sounds like people need to wear nappies in the courtroom lol
And the witness said he looked way overdressed so he probably looked more muscular
@@waleyawesome7233 also was probably overdressed just in case someone put up a fight he would have scratches all over him
Susan is so beautiful ❤️
The camera probably never adjusted from daylight savings time
I use liverworse for dog meds.I know it's sort of counter intuitive, but I want to make sure it gets down
I love you Gray ❤
Anya was slurring words badly at times, I did study pharmacology and worked medical shifts with patients who took benzodiazepines.. she might have taken some. This is just my assumption though.👍
With no one that can ID him and no DNA, this is not a slam dunk prosecution. Jury will not be able to agree with the state’s timeline as presented so far
It's really interesting the way you talk back and forth over top of the glaring problematic timeframe that had even more detail added to it.
I can understand people have different opinions but I noticed people say the defence theory is bonkers...Is it more bonkers than the fact that the cops never tested the sticks for evidence? Is it more bonkers than Bradley Holders Fb posts days after and before the killings? More bonkers than his son having a direct link to one victim? Allen went to cops and told them he was there and what he wore, it's never been confirmed that BG is actually the killer, even though this channel would like you to believe it because this channel can never admit they may be wrong. Allen may be BG but the killer could've been there even before any of the involved parties arrived, lying in wait for any targets not just these 2 but unfortunately these 2 were the only 2 that actually went fully over the bridge not any of the witnesses went over,how do we know they were not the intended targets to begin with..We just going off the bullet now? The bullet that only matched from a pistol that was actually fired? The bullet, which was said, could've been from agun other than Allens? Or the confessions he made when he was driven to a phsycocotic state in prison? Also, is their theory more bonkers than the fact that, if Allan actually did it, why would he go to police and tell them he was there that day and Oh, "I wore the same clothing as your prime suspect" ? What killer does that? If he was there to snoop on what they may know, why even mention the clothing? Please think with logic,it's free...These kids deserve real justice, not a riddle someone thought of because they were preassured and even went as far as to dismiss the FBI who could've helped them find real justice to begin with because their proud asses wanted to get the prize. Can anyone just explain the maddness I've just typed here...? Because this is where some people are at and it's not supposed to be this difficult to get the answers but here we are.
yes, it's more bonkers than everything you mentioned.
The BG is at the very least involved in kidnapping the girls. you lose.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates alright Mr gray even with all that you just said, I still can't agree with you. And no, even you should admit that the fact those sticks weren't tested is extremely bonkers. But you probably won't so, I guess you lose too
RE: dog spits out powdered pills in food: the powder is probably bitter or it burns the mouth. As a new nurse the facility I worked in had us "taste" the crushed & powdered meds we were giving to the elderly patients.
Thanks Gray!!