Hans Niemann claims a three-fold repetition in a totally winning position | Niemann vs Maghsoodloo
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- Опубликовано: 5 янв 2023
- This game between Hans Niemann and Parham Maghsoodloo at the World Rapid Championships 2022 was filled with so many ups and downs. Firstly, Maghsoodloo built up a completely winning position out of the opening and into the middlegame. But then he sacrificed material which was not necessary, to give Hans chances. Niemann played really well and got a great position. In fact at some point he even missed a mate in three! But the final position was quite curious. Niemann didn't like his position and claimed for a draw. Parham didn't agree to a draw and wanted the arbiters to check. The engine shouts that it's a winning advantage for White! What was going on?! It was all so confusing. Check the video to understand it all.
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That 6:58 look from Hans: "Are you ok. Throwing away a winning game just like that!? Hold my beer, I'll show you in a minute how the game is really supposed to be thrown away!"
That was the funniest reaction I've ever seen lol. Hans is just a character man.
Arbiter: Are u sure.. looks like u are winning
Hans: Yes but it's 3 move repetition
Parham:
🤣
This video to me makes me believe that Hans is on the spectrum
Yeah, why didn't he just look at the eval bar to see he is winning? What a fool..
@@sam2725 Parham was blocking his view, DUH.
rules are rules :D :D
The draw speaks for itself
😂😂😂
Beat me to it 😆
Harsh but true lol
Lol
Life is full of exciting events
Hans callings a judge looks like lost Travolta in pulp fiction 😂😂
Nobody? 🤣
Had me dying 😂😂😭
@@mrhusse5 ayyooooo
@@decree1453 my man, nice profile picture! May you be blessed with great strength and vitality in your pursuits in life by Mother Nature herself -- salute!
Comment for beginners like me. At 8:30 Hans should play Be4. You can't take bishop because of Qxh5 checkmate. If Kh6 then Rh8 checkmate. If pawn to g6 then Qxh5. You can't take Queen because of discovered check with bishop on e4. Only move is Kg7 and then Qh8 checkmate.
it's a draw because of threefold repetition. The rules are: the threefold repetition rule states that a player may claim a draw if the same position occurs three times during the game. ...
The game is not automatically drawn if a position occurs for the third time - one of the players, on their turn, must claim the draw with the arbiter.
So Hans has a winning position, miss that move with 2.30 on the clock and decided to claim a draw.
"only move is kg7".. Isn't there a pawn occupying the g7 square?
@@steelsteez6118 no because the pawn would be on g6.............
@Cosmic Goat in 3
I know you are just stating facts, without judgement, but it should be noted that while, yes, Niemann (2698 FIDE, 2706 peak) missed the mate, so did Maghsoodloo (2719 FIDE, 2721 peak). Maghsoodloo made the blunder in the first place.
@@Tony22715 you right. Blunders happen. I don't have enough experience to judge. Is it easy move to find? Maybe. But I think anybody can miss that, especially with ticking clock.
Thank you so much for the live evaluation, much appreciated.
The repetition repeats for itself.
The repetition repeats for itself.
The repetition repeats for itself.
The repetition repeats for itself.
The repetition repeats for itself.
The repetition repeats for itself.
I'm the 69th like.
I'm the 69th like.
I'm the 69th like.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
@@StrandedKnight84 lol
The vibrations were really hitting him at the end
Oh you are so funny
😭😭😭😭😭😭🔥
So original and funny
Wow were all laughing 😐
Apparently not hard enough. Those things need an update.
My man was completely lost, his opponent gave him a rook for absolutely no reasons, then he missed mate in 3 and finally claim a draw…
Ah yes, a performance worthy of the fastest rising player since Bobby Fischer.
bobby didnt cheat tho
@@ryuk5673 who said he cheated?
😂
@SirClassen oh god
yet you people claim he’s cheating when he plays with brilliance OTB
Pure Comedy at 7:01 when Parham takes the pawn in a completely winning position. The look on Niemann & a very non chalant reaction from Maghsoodloo is priceless.Thanks for posting this video. Now I have more resources as Black in Nimzo Bd2 variation.
Maghsoodloo doesnt really react at all though.
he seems mentally abnormal, i mean not in a "weird guy " way, but definitely having an esteem problem that seems like all his behaviour aren't real
Funny how this guy before cheating accusations was a 90%+ accuracy monster with the quickest FIDE rankings uprise in known history.
Now after: he's one of the most inconsistent GMs to ever live. It's quite unbelievable, magic - miraculous even some would say.
His 2700 classic rating has been steady throughout 2022 as he played OTB... is that really suspect? Seriously? Since when is a constant rating suspect? Inconsistency has occurred many times with great players, but somehow they did not cheat, only Hans? Note that we cannot know how often Hans cheated online, but we are fairly certain that Magnus, Hans, Hikaru, Rapport, So, Yoo, etc are not cheating OTB.
Carlson recently blundered a winning game (to a player rated lower than Hans I believe) and ended up losing, and nobody called the opponent a cheat. Why? Because the opponent was not Hans. If the "Hans cheats OTB" people did not know the opponent and thought it was Hans they would certainly accuse. Since it was not Hans they ignore it.
90% accuracy. I know there is some standard way of analyzing games (and the algorithm changes periodically) but each game has to be analyzed separately. Short games, complex games, etc. When people stop taking some spreadsheet from an unknown blogger filled in with percentages from an unknown algorithm with "trust my hidden algorithm" written all over it the statisticians take notice.
It's quite believable. Not miraculous statisticians say.
@@scottekoontz hey hans, stop making burner accounts. You’re a cheat!
@@Pandosopoderoso Hey Magnus. How about that OTB game we had?
@@scottekoontz It's called circumstantial evidence. Hans labelled himself. If he had said I cheated several times as a youngster online, it would have looked a lot better. A cheater saying I only cheated twice, when Chesscom says more likely 100 times, doesn't look good. (they only caught him twice). BUT Hans confirmed that the software from Chesscom is very good and accurate. If we have a known thief and something gets stolen, then it is obvious to suspect the thief.
The difference of strength in his game is too high. Levi said if he played 100 games vs a 2100-2200 player, he would win them all. I think Magnus uses the same logic. Hans outplayed him! Magnus didn't lose due to some combo mistake. He got outplayed, and that is more or less impossible for Hans to do that. All these games confirm that it was not the same "player", that's called circumstantial evidence.
@@jakkihessing2986
Many 2700s have beaten Magnus (some recently) and in all cases Magnus was outplayed and/or blundered. Thus we all know it is possible to do this, and Magnus did not cry foul and make a big deal out of it except for one notable game.
Levi quote is silly. Statistically a 2300 would not win (tie or lose) MANY times in 100 games against a 2200 player (36) or a 2400 player (24). If he said this, then he would be laughably wrong over 1/3 of the time.
Cheating online is very different than cheating again and again for several months OTB.
Beating a higher ranked player is not circumstantial, losing to a lower ranked player is not circumstantial.
"Circumstantial" people cannot see past the insanity of claiming one expert player is also expert in technology and somehow making several very fast moves in a row when supposedly communicating moves to an outside source, calculating an answer (using how many engines, how many depths?) and sending it back, deciphering it, and making the move within seconds in many cases. And one player is able to do this?
The 100% games are BS and debunked by many. It was an unknown algorithm from an anonymous source that cannot be reproduced, and what we know about that algorithm is that you simultaneously use several engines, many depths per engine, and an unknown number of CPUs, and then check to see if one of the three top choices of ANY of those combos match the players' move. Several of the supposed Hans' "100% accuracy" games were re-played online with an engine running to "prove" cheating, and some of the moves never appeared even after waiting a few minutes of engine run. Clearly not 100%. Some were called "odd" of "unorthodox" moves. Huh? Some were considered blunders according to some engine... so 100%?
Run all 2022 OTB GM games against one engine, pick one depth, and a set # of CPUs without the player names present. Rank them and find the cheaters... good luck since one player will land on top of most lists, and it's not Hans.
At 11:26 : what is the thing on Niemanns back-pant that looks like circular antenna? Right side,, close to this anhal khavity?
You gotta love the silent but intense conversations at the end of the match
Maghsoodlo has cleaned the right hand after every handshake to Hans 🤣
I just noticed lol. How sweaty is this Hans nerd?😂
😆👍
توهم دیدی این صحنه رو افرین من هم دیدم ما انسانهایی با دقت ۱۰۰ درصد هستیم😁
hello. as the buzzer manufacturer this is a well known problem. buzz buzz buzz means your position is a draw via repetition. buzz buzzz buzz means your position is winning. he probably coughed during the second buzzz and hence thought it was drawn via repetition. i believe a change in code is needed, however the buzzer was designed to not emit wifi waves to avoid cheat detection device
went from near AI level chess to this
Yeah I wonder why 😏
No, actually I don't
@@papaja6759 stg no one knows how to use that emoji
wdym "to this" he plays in top level tournaments
Indeed, didn't even convert the win, and only drew against a +2700 gm.. He should quit chess and become a chicken farmer
@@papaja6759 1 hour and 15 minutes of extra time and 20 extra seconds for increment, here you go
Thank you for the virtual board at top
Why is hans' right trouser leg shorter than the other trouser leg? Or is his right leg just longer?
What was the winning move at 6:58 that Maghsoodloo missed? I can't see it..
be4 would have been quite a brilliancy, a great puzzle piece for sure
Brilliancy? This is like an 1800 rated puzzle
@@AiR1DaN yeah I mean I saw the eval bar but it still took me about 3 seconds to figure that out. and Im only 1600 on lichess sooooo yeah idk dont think he shoulda missedf that
@@AiR1DaN lmao good joke I'm sure you would totally have seen that
@@tankytrash1281 You saw that you can take a piece with a bishop, but you don't know the followup lmao, like every noob. And the only reason you saw it is because the eval bar told you there was something and you're spectating after the fact, not playing the game yourself. Also you can say 1 move and then you lose after that. Story of every noob's life. Don't cap.
@@OArchivesX anyone who does puzzle rush daily would have found that, it's one of the basic rules of chess "always look for checks"
At the end Masuoglu wanted to check out HANS able to evaluate the lines or his attention on the vibration
Thanks for putting the diagram of the board on the screen 🙌
But why would you do it upside down? 🙄🙄
OF COURSE THE COMPUTER IS WRONG, the GOAT cannot miss this one.
the beads' batteries had probably run out of juice
8:30 Hans has forced mate in 3 starting with Be4
@@DCHEZ He does in fact mean Be4, and it is indeed a mate in 3. Look at the evaluation bar on the right side of the board, it's all the way up for white
how??? Be4 will be beaten by the pawn
Oh I got it lol
@@thomasbrady4359 if you take, then Queen to h5 checkmate
@@172km Qxh5
Do these chessboards automatically register moves? If so, what happens if you knock a piece over
My guess is that it registers the location of all the pieces everytime the clock is hit.
Wtf r u talking about
So on the procedure to walk together to the corner to check the computer for a 3-fold repetition. What if someone made that claim and was incorrect? The players I am sure know the positions perfectly in their head and are calculating the walk from and to the board. Maybe Hans could have figured out the winning sequence in this instance for example had they determined that the match wasn't over?
that must be quite a recoiling feeling to shake his hand, judging that the adversary cleans his hand each time he touches his hand.
At 12:07 in the middle of the frame: Is that the "you adjusted your pieces on MY time" - guy? The one that played aginst the problem boy that always brings noisy friends?
We all want the Nieman smiling not the serious 😂
8:39 missed mate in 3! (Be4+)
OK, missing the mate in 3 (Be4+!) happens (though rare at this level) but not seeing Qb5 and going for a 3fold that's just ridiculous regardless of whether your beads are on or off
No one's perfect I've seen Nakamura make just as big of mistakes before although it's rare this guy is still objectively one of the 60 best chess players in the world at least
@@XxxXxx-br7eq Hi. Quit buying that Florida swamp land. Now.
It can be accepted that he did not see the mate, although I doubt that a top ten would miss it, he had a lot of time.
However, what gives clues to the level of his game (I'm not talking about the issue of cheating), is that he does not see that he is winning in the final position. It is true that he has very little time, 30'' against 2'.
In any case, Niemann must be enduring tremendous pressure, being under everyone's magnifying glass.
The arbiter spotted his advantage. (Wow, you REALLY edited that comment!) Your original comment was basically said the win was hard to spot.
Can people stop arguing with the pressure all the time he fucks up? Magnus is under pressure all the time because he is expected to crush anyone. Hikaru is in Blitz / Rapid, because he is expected to win as well. Nepo and Ding are expected to win all the time as well, one of them being the next WC. And ultimately everyone there is under immense pressure, because they have to make it to the money, otherwise it's a high loss for a lot of people because of the traveling costs. And the Hans drama is over already, nobody asks him anymore about his cheating past and I see more games of the Hikaru, Magnus and other Super GM's focused on and analysed than Hans' games. Hans increased his rating surprisingly fast and does not stand a chance in a field of Super GM's. That's the reality. If the Arbiter just gets over and with one blink of an eye sees that he is winning, how does someone who beats the GOAT with Black does not see it at all and forces a Draw. It's remarkable.
How could Hans win at 9:44?
@@JackHarb89 bro kramnik once blundered a mate in 1 in a classical game and lost.
@@JackHarb89 Yea it's pretty remarkable how people dont know the difference between rapid and classical.
He also missed a mate in three after 45...Bd3?? with 46.Be4+!
I just love the look on a GMs face when another GM does something incredibly dumb by GM standards. Rook captures pawn. Hans' eyes got big as saucers. TBF it looked incredibly stupid to me too, but I don't know shit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ When the eval bar goes all white, there is a missed win of course. For a small hint in terms of number of moves scroll down.
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find mate in under 5 moves
You mean Stockfishes eyes.
White had a passed pawn which if he pushes, then there is no hope for black. Black sees that he can exchange a rook for a bishop, 2 pawns, and make a passed pawn. Material wise it can be similar and having his own passed pawn creates counter play in an otherwise hopeless position for black. I think it was not a bad move.
Finally hans will say "i speak for myself" 😂
bro look at hans' face when parham sacks the exchange
On a funnier side. This happens when you learn every chess rules by heart.
I think the only repetition was the vibrations.
Lmao
I am a chess beginner. The draw, I understood. Was Nieman in the winning position? Why this theater? Please explain to me. Thx
yeah, Hans had an easy win if he attacked the king ... it's not hard to find actually...but they were dancing their queens around...SMH
@@howard5992 terrible answer
Bishop to e4 white, if bishop takes bishop then queen takes pawn in h5 check and its mate
Amazing that the arbiters have to check manually for 3 fold repetition. Why can't the system put a flag on that game so if a player claims it they just say yes/no?
When the engine suddenly stops!
bead battery ran out maybe
original and funny
@@optimusedits7269 Thanks :)
@@vishnusharma2958 always
after mistake, bishop h5 was a move as well...
Like Hans or not, he pointed out the truth which most wouldn't have. You know for sure people would've noticed watching this anyways.
the arbiter speaks for itself...
yeah no one plays a chess engine and then plays like this, this is like making accidental blunders, this game was him being blind
Is Qc4 the winning more?
White supports his passed pawn and black cant play d3 due Qc8.
But its not very clear how to proceed safely afterwards. So i can understand why Hans rather takes the draw with 30sec on the clock. With more time he surely would go for the win here.
How is he 2600???
A good question for FIDE.
That's the most exciting sporting moment I have ever seen.
Hahahaha
Hes definitely one strange cookie!
Maghsoodloo forgetting his lanyard was the funniest bit
If you look closely @3:31 you can see Hans stomach shaking slightly...
There's alot of pressure and tension in blitz chess matches which can lead to miscalculations. Some players can handle the pressure better than others. It looks like Niemann gets very uptight in blitz chess.
This is rapid.
@Jatin Chadha 15 minute game? I can't see the clock. Then there's alot more time to move but it's still fairly quick.
@@dontrachtman3095
If this looks like blitz chess to you...well, this was almost a year ago. I'm sure you've seen more games by now.
Maghsoodloo wiping his hands after the handshake cause he knows where those hands where 🤣🤣
Bead alert
Those hands spoke for themselves
A man has got to do what man has got to do.
This is the guy that played with 99%-100% accuracy to this
But if he was cheating before why would he stop now and play with low accuracy, would that not be obviously suspicious?
Do you think it would be easier than trying to continue cheating?
@@user-gu1un7pb7k It is indeed suspicious, thus this video and comments like these. He can always blame pressure and all that if he wants in this case. But if he continues cheating and actually gets caught, it's over for him.
@@lizijie98 Right but the fact he's playing poorly right now sort of indicates he isn't cheating and is probably suffering mentally from the big controversy. I wait with bated breath for him to get caught, seems pretty impossible to cheat OTB at these high level tournaments, and indeed no one can realistically explain how he is cheating.
@J LOL cheating in OTB events happened before and players were caught so stop BSing already
Be4+ winning move on 8:29
Why ?? Bxe4
Ah Qxh5
Yes, it's mate in 3
The repetition claim speaks for itself.
The CLAIM speaks for itself!
😂
I don't understand Niemann himself was smirking after getting rook for a bishop, and then he just agreed on draw? I guess chess really speak for itself
Where is the smirk, it was a very intentional rook sacrifice to begin with? Also how is it shameful to take a draw against +2700 with 30 seconds on the clock? The position isn't clear at all, even if simply staring at the eval bar would have you belive otherwise
Black has compensation, but white did miss a mate.
Why Parham was not taking the b pawn?
The Billie Joel lookalike Hans Niemann has to be the official court jester of the chess world.
Actually, in French the bishop is called le fou - "the fool/jester".
That's HN down pat.
hans looked like he just wanted to leave while mahgsoodlo just wanted to discuss with him lol
No beads = no leads
dude Hans is really popular, his videos always have more views than almost anyone jajaja.
Didn't think it was about claiming.
Thought them were the rules?
bhai ye ad kya thi last mein? 🤣🤣🤣
well, the batteries run out once in a while- if it happens in the middle of a game...
i guess maghsood could have drawn himself next turn but still pretty awkward decision to draw when you're winning. pressure gets to everyone...
Not seeing a mate in 3 and claiming a draw in a winning position speaks for itself.
Black is very solid with queen and bishop pair plus a passed pawn and in a blitz or rapid it is almost impossible for white to win such a position and Niemann knowing this wisely claims a draw where Parhram was even willing to carry on.
At some point Hans had a check with Be4+, instead of Qe3, which wins the game on the spot for white. Hans didn't see it and it allowed Pahram to bring back his light squares bishop to defend his king's area.
@@hyperbius760 Parham also had three winning moves begenning of middle game and towards the end of it but he missed them. Listen dude, this is blitz not classical and time is more important than best moves. These players do not miss anything in normal time control. Parham is a 2700 elo player which means very strong grandmaster.
@@kevinwellwrought2024 I've been reading comments looking for the relevant fact... this is blitz? fr? they need to show the clock because the skips make it look like classical. And in any case time is critical, easy for everyone to "spot" mate in 3 when a computer tells you but if you're on clock you can miss it.
I have no defense for him if he cheats, not a fan even, I'm just against blatantly poor game analysis..
But even before the game he won with Magnus everyone was saying he had very hit and miss play OTB, hence why they thought it was suspicious that he would randomly do well.
It's possible, literally speculating having never looked at more than two of his games, he plays very creative strategic plays but sucks at tactics, so sometimes strategic plays work out so well the tactics can be weak. But it can also be that the strategy doesn't work. Things like this are possible.
@@craigslist6988 we don’t believe Hans cheated in this game
wtf was Maghsoodloo thinking with that move at 7:00
Hans's reaction here is priceless
flexing
@@k2boarding100 idk man for me this guy is insanely unwatchable. I have never seen a guy being this unlikable no matter what I do, the sheer arrogance radiating from this guy with the combination of his looks..I just can't lol
@@ng.tr.s.p.1254 flexing what? the fact that fat has begun to form around his brain making him retarded?
Hans ought to be a Twitch personality, because so many of his matches have such an entertainment value. How can he have any FIDE rating if he throws away matches like this?
omg he just blundered a forced mate in 8:30 Be4 was clearly winning, he forgot to bring the stockfish i guess😂😂😂
A move very few would have seen in a blitz game if you don't look for a winning move.
@@InlanningIt’s not that hard to see a short mating pattern when it begins with a check, especially for GMs.
@@Inlanning I would expect a gm to find that sequence
8:29
Ugh, it's true! It seems to me, however, more serious not to see that he is winning in the final position.
0:00 thats how you share sickness xD
I think I'll stop making fun of Hans now. I just feel bad. I guess he was right, the chess does speak for itself.
People grumble about Niemann and look videos with him. Thats how this works. Best marketing strategy ever.😁
His name is Hans and he's here to (clap) pump-you-up
Hans isn't playing his full potential because everyone is accusing him of cheating and he prob cant focus all that well with that on his mind
So he forgot to charge his batteries, or what are you saying? His potential in the last three tournaments was obvious. "Good" result vs weak players and long formats (time to cheat), poor results in fast formats and strong opponents. The "Person" that beat Magnus is not the same player that played these last 3 tournaments. Chess does indeed speak for itself.
@8:35 Niemann misses a mate in three (...Be4+!!) and game over..and people talk about the old greats like Capablanca how they couldnt compete with todays Grandmasters.....lol.. Capa would NEVER miss this..would absoloutley CRUSH these guys.
Did u compare Niemann to Capa?LMAO
Niemann is like shit to even compare to top 10 super gm,yet u compare him with Capa
Find a better comparisson
@@alexponco4753 First of all...slow down there tex..I personally would never compare Capablanca to anyone other than current and former world champions with some exceptions..I was making a comment based on what OTHERS have said, generally speaking about older classical Chess Champions compared to today's Grandmasters. Second, Niemann did beat Carlsen and rather easily, so he isnt exactly shit as you say...in fact in this video both players made serious mistakes..but again that has to be taken in context with the speed of the game.
Guys, why don't you show the game or the part where it is won. Etc.
Because he rarely won in blitz+rapid wcc
He even drew against some FM+IM and finished 104th placed in rapid and 54th placed in blitz
He went for the same vibration 3 times?
So what happened? Was it 3-fold repetition or not and why do both act like they don't know what they're doing? This can only work if both sides want the draw so why do they act so weird around it?
That is 100% incorrect. Only 1 player needs to request a draw when situations like this one warrant it. Other player did not ever agree to a draw unlike your comment. He was told by the arbiter it is a draw - that Hans request was being granted.
Hans blundered an unstoppable mate by not moving his bishop out the way of his queen. He was still in a winning position, but after previously displaying cockiness after his opponents rook sacrifice/blunder and making this blunder of his own, his emotions took over and he decided to request a draw after a three move repetition. His opponent and the arbiters were confused because he made the decision to draw in a winning position solely based off of emotion, and Hans may have appeared to be confused because he was emotional and was trying to clarify that he was in fact allowed to draw in this manner. He puts up 3 fingers and says three questioningly to his opponent.
I don't know wtf just happened. Thank you.
I guess he was getting conflicting “vibrations” 😂
🤣🤣
This does make you wonder.
8:30 hans should play more puzzle rush.
so we not gonna talk about how he whipes of the handshake on his pants in disgust?
The battery on his vibrator ran out of power 🤨
DIdnt black have to play qb2 still though the repetition starts with qd1 after which qb2 is a repetition? Its not a repetition he only played qe2 two times qd1 at the end was a repetition if black plays qb2 but qe2 is even slower
This is the proof we've been waiting for. Doesn't get any clearer than this. Magnus was right after all!
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I wonder how many people saw Be4 and mate live without looking at the engine or the bar
YES!!! circumstantial evidence!!
Really? Niemann was disconnected or what?
emotions
Because in human eye Black passpawn is lethal.
Sorry, but for some reason 12:28 looks like two people who know nothing about chess pretending to analyze a game
qb5 , +5.4 stockfish
My man Parham saved by the dumbbell 😂
The performance of hans niemann like angrier man...
It is true that in any sport it is fun to have a 'bad guy', it amuses me to watch his videos, he is quite a character.
In any case, he has to improve a lot to become a Top 20 (Top 10, with his age and with the Indian talents that are coming out, will have a difficult time).
Unfortunately for him, he will always have to prove his innocence because we already know how people are and he will be marked forever.
He marked himself.
it doesn't help that he always looks bored/annoyed
@@marzipanhunt2870 how? Carlsen accused him without any factual proof. He should pay him for ruining his repetition without evidence
@@arbo3495 Hi. Carlsen did not say anything close to :neimann cheated in the over the board game against me. Carlsen never said that. Carlsen did concede the game to neiman and shook his hand. The next day Carlsen withdrew from the tournament. He never mentioned neimann's name.
@@marzipanhunt2870 that’s true, but later on he did say he suspected him due to the way he looked relax in tense decision making moments…
13:44... focus on Hikaru...LOL. No reaction?