They was 6-10 last year this year they a playoff team that clearly shows record doesn’t mean anything. Baker has plenty of talent and is inconsistent plain and simple.
I agree with Marcellus to a point. Need to see more from Baker. Looking at passing 4000yds, 35TDs comp 63+%. Would love to see Browns not just win but dominate games and not lose to teams that you're favored to win ie Jets and Raiders. Looking to see Baker pass to setup the run which is not the Stefanski offense but would make the Browns elite.
Omg not like all of our good player player was injured vs the Raiders and he played in 60 MPH winds with WRs dropping passes and it's not like he had 2 missing Olinemen and no WRs but instead practice squad WRs that didn't even know the right routes to run.
@@bannedfromytfornoreason You always reply to my posts, lol. Raider game both Baker and Carr were completing 25 yd passes, Landry just didn't catch the TD pass just like Raiders Ruggs but difference was Carr got a TD. And win vs the 1-13 Jets and Browns in the playoffs. And You know what happened there. Forget save $$ sign him now, how bout let's see more to avoid Wentz, Goff situation and pay him if he proves it.
@@SlimmerNine Then see more it's so useless lol if a QB can become bad at any point then that makes waiting almost useless if we give him a contract after next season and that would be worse because we would be paying him more money most likely.
Acho is just a great Sports analyst . He actually does his homework and it shows. His passion is exceptional compare him to other guy who is simply pathetic.
These guys make a good pro and con debate...Thats why we watch them... Personally, in my opinion, Baker is amazing, with leadership, character and accuracy...people forget that the Browns never ever had such a QB for 2 decades! He needs an extension, give him some confidence, support him and he will flourish. He is and will be the fighting face of the Browns to come iA.
Uhh idk they are both so inconsistent with their arguments and it often seems like they just cherry pick whatever fits their current argument, then next argument they will say the same stat they just used in the previous argument isnt important, since it now doesn't help their case
I notice in order for anyone to say baker is good they HAVE to compare him to other browns qbs. What about actual SB qbs which you’ll need to be better than to win a SB? He isn’t even in the same category with them so why pay him big money?
@@HollyG95 it’s not paying him big money I don’t think I think what all browns fans want is a qb who we trust and from what I’ve seen from his rise up if u sign him and give him that confidence he’ll be amazing for Cleveland and we don’t need a mahomes to win sb u need a team with a leader and bakers that leader
After Ray and Reed left he only made the playoffs once and won once. Elite? Hell noooooooo. I'm a Ravens fan. Most of my tears came from Flacco and The Offense lol we should had 2 Super Bowl if it wasn't For Flacco
Browns fans equate leadership and swag with talent... And equate arm strength as “arm talent” He throws high when pressured. And he does it more often than not. So not only does he not have that “arm talent” but one of the biggest bullshyt I’ve been hearing from baker apologists is that he’s also accurate?! Wtf in what world?
Must be watching that 2019 tape he doesn't throw high when pressured he throws high when he throws across the middle which was the main reason he got that many picks in 2019 he basically took that out of his game this year.
@@jayr399 The only time he threw a high pass was across the middle to DPJ which gave him a concussions that is the only high pass that I remember also if he threw so many high passes why did he have 8 INTs instead of the 20+ his 2nd year? 😂
@@jayr399 😂 average arm talent is 60 yards Baker in full pads has thrown 2 70 yard passes 1 70 yards the other 73+ yards also has been a top 3 deep ball thrower 2018 average arm ig.
Here is the problem. Browns fans can't seem to distinguish between Baker being the Browns qb and Baker being an NFL qb. As a Browns qb he has been a godsend. He has taken the team to heights not seen in decades. His Browns resume is impressive. He is truly a Browns hero. However, the dissagreements come when you compoare his 3 year resume to other NFL qbs. He comes up way short. The go to answer is well Baker had to overcome the dysfunction of the Browns, which is true but irrelevant. The Hue and Freddy excuse might fly in Clevland but it means nothing to other teams and fans. Bottom line did he produce? and that has two answers. Yes if you consider him a Browns qb. Absolutely not if you consider him an NFL qb. The interception stat alone ( one less interception than Jameis!!!!) is enough to be skeptical.
Ooof bad take comparing baker to Winston. Considering he had single digits interceptions. Not to mention he is a top 10 quarterback in most advanced stats. And I challenge you to look up Bakers stats in the red zone that’s where he truly shines.
Sorry dude, how can you contradict yourself? How is team and coach dysfunction irrelevant? If I take a powerful tool or an accurate one and misuse it, what do I expect the outcome to be? That's right a failure? As regards the 3 years. Forget the Kitchens era and use the stats from the 1st and this past year? You will find he was and will be succesful. The interception stat? Did you watch those interceptions in the 2nd yr? A lot of them were poor WR, balls bouncing off their hands into the opposing teams.
@@jakeb3826 : You are just proving my point. Non Browns fans judge Baker on his 3 year resume. Not the mantra "since week 7". Baker was 2nd in interceptions two years straight and before "week 7" this year he was averaging about a pick a game. Winston is his closest comp.
@@calmskies1299 : Look Baker is your guy. Just give baker a Mulligan for year two and pretend he was a good qb his rookie season. It's reasoning like this that proves nothing I say or any rational analyst says will change your mind.
Acho is the master at finding a positive angle on Baker. The man is a genius at statistical slight of hand. First of all Jackson replaced a SB winner. A bonafide NFL football star. Baker replaced the scrubbiest of the scrubs. Losers all. And he only broke the loser's trend this season. Of course Baker's WAR would be higher than Jacksons. When your baseline is zero is you are guaranteed to have a better WAR.
Great point. Also he padded the stats when he compared a 9-10 flacco career to a 3 year Lamar career. And a 10 year romo career to 4 year dak. Come on. Thats not even fair: he gotta cook them books tho to find a reason to justify baker being a franchise qb off 1 good year when they finally ran the ball. Lol
The sno9zefest which is the browns,achos a fangirl ,if he put as much effort into playing the game as he did fangirling he might have been average instead of a horrible player
Lol Flacco numbers was great with two first ballot in Ray and Reed. After they left only 1 playoff season and Playoff win. Don't tear down someone to make someone else look better if you don't know the full story. Clown lol
The only way people can even say baker is “good” is if he is compared to other trash browns qbs or trash browns history. Baker doesn’t even compare to the other young qbs of this league. He is more of a Goff/wentz than a Watson/mahommes. I wouldn’t sign him big just yet
YOU ALL BETTER LISTEN TO ACHO HE IS RIGHT BAKER IS GOING TO BE A SUPER STAR JUST WATCH AND SEE
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Acho be wrong 80% of the time on here tho
Dinging Baker for having less wins and irrelevant stats when he was drafted to an 0-16 team, get outta here. Dude is a baller plain and simple.
They was 6-10 last year this year they a playoff team that clearly shows record doesn’t mean anything. Baker has plenty of talent and is inconsistent plain and simple.
@@HollyG95 maybe at face value but you forgot about Cleveland having one of the worst coaches EVER
@@HollyG95 I guess the second half and his rookie year are just thrown away?
Marcellus Wiley and Collin Herd could be friends.. I can see them having tea saying "lets find new ways to hate on baker best friend."
Amen Acho!!! 🙌
BLESS'M!
Gut feeling Baker wins an iconic SB with the browns
I agree with Marcellus to a point. Need to see more from Baker. Looking at passing 4000yds, 35TDs comp 63+%. Would love to see Browns not just win but dominate games and not lose to teams that you're favored to win ie Jets and Raiders. Looking to see Baker pass to setup the run which is not the Stefanski offense but would make the Browns elite.
Omg not like all of our good player player was injured vs the Raiders and he played in 60 MPH winds with WRs dropping passes and it's not like he had 2 missing Olinemen and no WRs but instead practice squad WRs that didn't even know the right routes to run.
@@bannedfromytfornoreason You always reply to my posts, lol. Raider game both Baker and Carr were completing 25 yd passes, Landry just didn't catch the TD pass just like Raiders Ruggs but difference was Carr got a TD. And win vs the 1-13 Jets and Browns in the playoffs. And You know what happened there. Forget save $$ sign him now, how bout let's see more to avoid Wentz, Goff situation and pay him if he proves it.
@@SlimmerNine No I don't lol and they weren't thr longest completed pass was 25 yards which I'm sure wasn't all air yards.
@@SlimmerNine Then see more it's so useless lol if a QB can become bad at any point then that makes waiting almost useless if we give him a contract after next season and that would be worse because we would be paying him more money most likely.
Acho is just a great Sports analyst . He actually does his homework and it shows. His passion is exceptional compare him to other guy who is simply pathetic.
These guys make a good pro and con debate...Thats why we watch them...
Personally, in my opinion, Baker is amazing, with leadership, character and accuracy...people forget that the Browns never ever had such a QB for 2 decades!
He needs an extension, give him some confidence, support him and he will flourish.
He is and will be the fighting face of the Browns to come iA.
Uhh idk they are both so inconsistent with their arguments and it often seems like they just cherry pick whatever fits their current argument, then next argument they will say the same stat they just used in the previous argument isnt important, since it now doesn't help their case
I notice in order for anyone to say baker is good they HAVE to compare him to other browns qbs. What about actual SB qbs which you’ll need to be better than to win a SB? He isn’t even in the same category with them so why pay him big money?
@@HollyG95 it’s not paying him big money I don’t think I think what all browns fans want is a qb who we trust and from what I’ve seen from his rise up if u sign him and give him that confidence he’ll be amazing for Cleveland and we don’t need a mahomes to win sb u need a team with a leader and bakers that leader
@@randy3724 lol Low expectations, low results. Baker isn’t a leader. 1 decent season with a great offense and he’s a leader for the future lol
Flacco has 10 playoff wins! WOW!
And a SB MVP and people still say he is subpar qb but make it seem like you need 10 playoff wins to be successful.
@@HollyG95 he was elite from 2009-2014 for sure!
@@TheHamburglarHelpster no he wasn't lol
After Ray and Reed left he only made the playoffs once and won once. Elite? Hell noooooooo. I'm a Ravens fan. Most of my tears came from Flacco and The Offense lol we should had 2 Super Bowl if it wasn't For Flacco
@@rtv2324 I would say 2 if it wasn't for Cundiff and Lee Evans
Cell face expression priceless
Browns fans equate leadership and swag with talent...
And equate arm strength as “arm talent”
He throws high when pressured. And he does it more often than not. So not only does he not have that “arm talent” but one of the biggest bullshyt I’ve been hearing from baker apologists is that he’s also accurate?!
Wtf in what world?
Yep. Brownies are Brownies. I like Baker. But I’m not ignorant either.
Must be watching that 2019 tape he doesn't throw high when pressured he throws high when he throws across the middle which was the main reason he got that many picks in 2019 he basically took that out of his game this year.
@@bannedfromytfornoreason no he throws high still and it’s why his recievers are getting injured.
Accuracy is trash. Arm talent is average
@@jayr399 The only time he threw a high pass was across the middle to DPJ which gave him a concussions that is the only high pass that I remember also if he threw so many high passes why did he have 8 INTs instead of the 20+ his 2nd year? 😂
@@jayr399 😂 average arm talent is 60 yards Baker in full pads has thrown 2 70 yard passes 1 70 yards the other 73+ yards also has been a top 3 deep ball thrower 2018 average arm ig.
Here is the problem. Browns fans can't seem to distinguish between Baker being the Browns qb and Baker being an NFL qb. As a Browns qb he has been a godsend. He has taken the team to heights not seen in decades. His Browns resume is impressive. He is truly a Browns hero. However, the dissagreements come when you compoare his 3 year resume to other NFL qbs. He comes up way short. The go to answer is well Baker had to overcome the dysfunction of the Browns, which is true but irrelevant. The Hue and Freddy excuse might fly in Clevland but it means nothing to other teams and fans. Bottom line did he produce? and that has two answers. Yes if you consider him a Browns qb. Absolutely not if you consider him an NFL qb. The interception stat alone ( one less interception than Jameis!!!!) is enough to be skeptical.
Ooof bad take comparing baker to Winston. Considering he had single digits interceptions. Not to mention he is a top 10 quarterback in most advanced stats. And I challenge you to look up Bakers stats in the red zone that’s where he truly shines.
@@jakeb3826 I agree that’s was one year this year he has 8
Sorry dude, how can you contradict yourself? How is team and coach dysfunction irrelevant? If I take a powerful tool or an accurate one and misuse it, what do I expect the outcome to be? That's right a failure? As regards the 3 years. Forget the Kitchens era and use the stats from the 1st and this past year?
You will find he was and will be succesful.
The interception stat? Did you watch those interceptions in the 2nd yr? A lot of them were poor WR, balls bouncing off their hands into the opposing teams.
@@jakeb3826 : You are just proving my point. Non Browns fans judge Baker on his 3 year resume. Not the mantra "since week 7". Baker was 2nd in interceptions two years straight and before "week 7" this year he was averaging about a pick a game. Winston is his closest comp.
@@calmskies1299 : Look Baker is your guy. Just give baker a Mulligan for year two and pretend he was a good qb his rookie season. It's reasoning like this that proves nothing I say or any rational analyst says will change your mind.
I guess ratings are down so they have to go back to baker
Acho is the master at finding a positive angle on Baker. The man is a genius at statistical slight of hand. First of all Jackson replaced a SB winner. A bonafide NFL football star. Baker replaced the scrubbiest of the scrubs. Losers all. And he only broke the loser's trend this season. Of course Baker's WAR would be higher than Jacksons. When your baseline is zero is you are guaranteed to have a better WAR.
Great point. Also he padded the stats when he compared a 9-10 flacco career to a 3 year Lamar career. And a 10 year romo career to 4 year dak. Come on. Thats not even fair: he gotta cook them books tho to find a reason to justify baker being a franchise qb off 1 good year when they finally ran the ball. Lol
The sno9zefest which is the browns,achos a fangirl ,if he put as much effort into playing the game as he did fangirling he might have been average instead of a horrible player
You act as if Wiley was any better!
Mayfield fixed Stefanski! W/O Baker, Stefanski's pathetic play calling would have stood out like a pink elephant
It will be a mistake 👀
Lol Flacco numbers was great with two first ballot in Ray and Reed.
After they left only 1 playoff season and Playoff win. Don't tear down someone to make someone else look better if you don't know the full story. Clown lol
U don’t know the full
Flacco was good for the Ravens, this is 10 yrs later now😂😂😂
The only way people can even say baker is “good” is if he is compared to other trash browns qbs or trash browns history. Baker doesn’t even compare to the other young qbs of this league. He is more of a Goff/wentz than a Watson/mahommes. I wouldn’t sign him big just yet