Kawai ES110 vs Yamaha P125: The Two Best $600-700 Digital Pianos!
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While the price between the Kawai ES110 and P125 does differ a little bit, they are definitely comparable against each other, and are my two favorite instruments in the sub-$1000 price class. They both are very playable, have a decent amount of sounds, and both have light actions that are easy to play. How do they compare against each other? Which one is better? Let's try to find out in this video. 
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Nice, we got two winners and I totally agree with you. I am not a beginner but not a pro either and because of the muscle problem I can’t play much anymore but if I see these two.... maybe on one day. Maybe if I can afford it. I like them both. What I also like is seeing you fiddling around. Playing is fun! Thank you for sharing and playing!
Even though you made great videos of them separately, I was really waiting for that inevitable direct comparison to shine one last light on my decision! Thanks for the quality content.
Thanks so much for your detailed review! it helped me so much to hear them being played with different styles, ranges, and samples, especially since going to a music store and trying them out myself isn't an option these days. Yamaha P125 will be my birthday present to myself :) thanks again!
Yes! The one we've all been waiting for! :D Cheers
really like this type of comparison, ty fot your hard work and passion for sharing this video.
Thank you very much James, I’ve been looking at reviews so much recently about these two instruments some saying one thing some saying the other but your review really outlined the flaws and benefits of each helping me decide that the P-125 is the one for me.
You're a really true artist making reviews. Congrats from Spain!
I'm a professional pianist and teacher, and chose the P-125 for a night time practice instrument or when I want to spare my neighbors a bit. I'm very happy with it, keeps up with pretty much any repertoire from Bach's French overture to Chopin's and Rachmaninov's concerti, to Scriabin and Ravel. I actually prefer its main piano sound over the Kawai which sounds less pleasing, more artificial and uneven to me (there's a certain point where dynamic richness becomes a negative, especially on a digital piano that will always have its limitations with the action). The P-125 or any other digital for that matter (I've tried a good portion of them, including the $4000+ ones) isn't replacing my U3 any time soon but it's still quite surprisingly VERY enjoyable to practice on and I'd highly recommend it for anyone regardless of skill level if they're looking for a cheap practice instrument.
@@aBachwardsfellow If you want that kind of thing, you should also press "piano" + the highest D (traditionally D4 but I think it's called D3 or D5 in the P125 manual) to set the response "harder". It's like moving the hammer row a bit closer to strings on an upright which is what I usually do with my acoustic pianos.
Thanks for your feedback as it surely helps others like me trying to make a decision and I’m about to purchase my P-125 , however do you think it plays classical music well? Since it’s my passion and is the P-45 still a good choice as i think there’re alot of features that i don’t need in the P-125 (it’s still affordable but idk if it’s worth it)
I’m a beginner and reading reviews I hear people complaining about clicking keys. Have you any experience of which brands are best in terms of lasting the test of time without this problem
Thank you for the review James, you're my favorite piano reviewer on You Tube!
The video we were all waiting for!! Thank you so much for this comparison review! I will buy yamaha tomorrow! :)
thank you so much for your reviews! i used to play when i was younger and had a yamaha upright, but basically haven’t touched a piano in the last ~10 years. i somehow got it into my head to pick it back up and here we are!
i was originally just going to go with the yamaha p45/71 after reading some articles, but after watching some reviews (mostly yours) i decided to invest just a little bit more in it. was going back and forth on the yamaha p125 vs kawai es110 for a while after watching this and was leaning towards the yamaha, but i actually went to a guitar center to try the p125 (and p45, but unfortunately they didn’t have kawai in stock). i actually didn’t love it and thought that it was a bit too heavy, so decided to take a chance and just order the kawai instead.
tldr: i just got the kawai a few days ago, but it plays beautifully and is great for my needs. i’m sure the p125 is perfect for others too but from my initial experience i’m really happy with my decision. thanks again!!
Excellent review! Thanks! Can't wait for your comparison between the ES110 vs the ES8!
ES110 vs Es8 is in the works.
@@ThePianoforever Great! ;-)
Glad to watch you have fun. Fair and balanced. Thank you.
Love the treble piece you wrote James!!
Thank you for your review. I am in the market to buy a digital Piano and all your reviews have helped me greatly. Thanks again.
Excellent review James.
From what I’ve heard, it seems like the Kawai is better suited for piano performance and simulating a real acoustic while the Yamaha has the edge in all the other instruments. I’d love to have this theory confirmed
There is a way to modify the dynamic response of the P125; Modify the "Touch Sensitivity" by holding down the "piano" voice button and pressing D7 (Yamaha D6). That takes it off the default to allow more expressive playing. (see owner's manual p.17); (Cheat sheet group 2). Does that make a difference that brings it closer to the ES110, perhaps?
same question
I have.. does it?
Really enjoyed that review. I'm going to go with the Kawai.
Great comparison. Very helpful for my shopping.
Hi James, thank you for your enthusiastic, entertaining, and informative reviews of digital pianos! I've watched a few today, back-to-back, as I am looking for a beginner's digital piano for my daughter's 16th birthday present - but want it to be performance playable live or busking right from the start. She's gone through some grades on the flute and has expressed an interest in piano now and I'm delighted as I played when younger and should surely start again! Among others, I've heard you talk about the Roland FP-30, the Kawai ES110, and the Yamaha P125. Over the last few days, I watched a few other people's reviews and ended up just confused. Today, I've watched your individual reviews and the head-to-head comparisons and have come to a clear conclusion. I'm going to plump for the Yamaha P125 for a few individual reasons. As you say, the Kawai is an excellent option for many, many reasons. But this video helped me decide once-and-for-all on the Yamaha and I'll just buy a Yamaha FC-4 Sustain Foot Pedal to overcome that particular gripe. Just to point out that the P125's top speaker grilles are just the tweeters. The rest of the sound comes from speakers underneath (as with the ES110). The 125 has an EQ setting to compensate for this if you place it flat on a table or desk rather than on a stand. Also, I know that there are many generic piano learning and playing apps, but the Yamaha Smart Pianist App that can buddy up with the P125 looks just awesome! Once again, many thanks and keep on helping people get into and enthuse about the wonder that is...the piano!
You made a great decision, the P125 is stellar for a beginning pianist! I wish both you and your daughter the very best, I'm glad I could be of help! :D
This splits my decision
21:00 organ comparison (Yamaha sounds beautifull)
27:05 piano comparison (kawai sounds realistic)
30:05 conclusion
After first missing note on Kawai, tried their after sales service... Yamaha will be 10 times better choice.
So maybe as a summary, to my ears, ES110 piano sound is better due to it's dynamic responsiveness and the P125 has a way more impressive sound bank. The piano tones between the two are personal preferences of course!
Just got a p 125 on your recommendation so that I could play at night without bugging the neighbors. It feels and sounds great, I can't stop playing it. I especially appreciate the option in the app to change the environment, it makes playing with headphones on a lot nicer. Thanks for your help jps!
I'm a total beginner and today i bought my first digital piano thanks to you. I saw every review you made and went in a very big shop to buy the es110. Once inside i asked wich was the closest action to an acoustic and they made me try a 30k yamaha grand piano. Then i tried yamaha p125, p45, kawai es110, es8, casio psx1000 and kawai ca48. The one i liked the most was the ca48 but it was too big, i wanted something i could take around with me in the future. I then saw a slightly used (2 months old) es8 with a good discount (990 euro) and made the purchase. Like i said, i'm a total beginner, but i could feel the action is very similar to a grand piano (it only misses wooden key in my opinion). Thanks you very much for the good work you post on this channel. I went inside the shop with a good base knowledge after watching your videos.
I am getting my Yamaha P125 tomorrow, I just can’t wait. And I have an acoustic piano I can play every day. Just look forward to play around with it in the evening when the kids are sleeping and no one will be bothered by me playing! Thanks so much for all your amazing reviews. You are truly talented.
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Hey James. Thank you so much for being such an incredible and knowledgeable reviewer. You are seriously the best out there. I have been learning piano for a couple of months now on a casino unweighted keyboard and want to upgrade to the P125 or the ES110. I have tried acoustic pianos and do like the feel but another one of my goals may be to use the keyboard as a midi and get into electronic music production. I want to continue to hone my piano skills but may get more techy in the future with different sounds from computer production software. I know the Yamaha does have input to receive sounds via USB from the computer which can play out of the onboard speakers while the Kawai does not. Would you recommend the Kawai or the Yamaha for the goal of piano playing as well as midi production?
Nice review.
Nice playing.
Many thanks for this review. Personally, I would go with the Yamaha P125 because I think it would be better for playing with my two bands. If I would like a piano to play alone at home, I would go with the other one. We are currently using a Yamaha P85 since about 10 years. Do you think it would be a huge improvement if we get a P125?
These videos are so helpful! Thank you for taking the time.
Nevertheless I think your work and your channel is amazing. Thanks for your good work!
I tested both of these in store recently, and I also noticed the Yamaha's distortion in the treble - I'm glad it wasn't just me! It also happened in my headphones, but only when the volume was at maximum.
I'm currently leaning towards getting a P125 - the collection of non-piano sounds are better suited to me, selecting voices on the Kawai was difficult, and as a lifelong audio tweaker I can't possibly have an instrument in my studio that has a button that says "other"!
Interestingly, in Australia the Yamaha is 25% more expensive than the Kawai.
Great review as always James. For me, and because I believe it to be a tad more versatile, I have decided to go ahead with the purchase of the Yamaha P121. The Kawai is a great instrument, but didn't show me enough to dissuade me from getting the Yamaha.
I'm no expert, but to me the Kawai ES 110 actually sounds brighter, at least when playing louder, compared to the P125. And that is probably the main reason I will choose it over the the P125; I just love that change in sound as the dynamic response increases. Whereas the P125 kinda has the same sound throughout.
Edit: Thank you for the comparison! It was quite educational! Bit dissapointed about the fender rhodes sound in the ES 110, but my main purpose for getting it is piano sound.
Hey James, this is kinda unrelated, but you playing the Yamaha combined with the kawaii is just really peaceful, have you ever considered making like a medley of all the stuff you play, like just having fun for like 10 mins or so, with any keyboard you want? I mean I'd totally watch/listen to it for like an hour.
Basically me gushing over your playing lmao
I like your suggestion
Question James, for 4000 euro's, would you consider a kawai CA99 or a used upright piano? I am an intermediate to advanced player. Considerations are the action, sound, the experience but also maintenance and value. I get frustrated by the sound and action on cheaper accoustic uprights. A huge plus is being able to play quietly as I live in the city. It will also be used to record music.
With that budget what would you buy and should I look at other brands? I'm partial to Kawai as I have been very happy with my mp10. I don't want a stage piano. It has to have a cabinet.
Hi,
Apart from the three pedal unit for the Yamaha P125 there is the single pedal FC3A with half damper function. I own the previous model of the piano P-115 and have more recently purchased the FC3A. I find the FC3A even more stylish than the Kawaii's, stays in place and performs well.
Your really opening my eyes to what kind of piano I need to upgrade to. I have the dgx 660 but it's lacking in a few departments . The action started out rather stiff and now it feels quite loose , might have just gotten used to it . Thank you for all the info though it's much appreciated 😉
I think in your case, you may want to make a bigger upgrade. Maybe Yamaha 515.
yeah, DGX660 actually shares a lot of the same thing with the P125... not sure if switching to that is really going to do a lot for you....
Great content as always. if you wouldn’t mind, could you please make a separate-proper video or clip for the peace that you wrote. It keeps repeating over my head and I would truly appreciate it if there was a special record of it.
Please consider listing what you believe are the best digital pianos in price categories, for particular applications, your opinion is appreciated.
Excellent review, It is possible a comparation with some Korg with ph3 action D1 or C1 for example?
Thanks
I like the Yamaha piano sound. Great video!
This video didn't make my choice any easier, so i just bought the kawai based on looks for my first piano. Thanks for all your honest reviews! i watched dozens of them to make my decision!
Im still trying to decide between these two, are you happy with the kawai?
My son is beginning his 3rd year in college and over the past couple of years, developed a love for playing the piano. He needs to brush up on his music reading skills but has somehow learned how to play some complex pieces watching YT videos.
We have a Yamaha CP300 at home and I'm thinking about getting him a P125 to take to school. Would there be a huge difference between the 2 digital pianos such that the P125 might feel or sound a significant downgrade and inhibit or discourage his learning?
Excellent comparison. Very similar pianos but I feel Yamaha has a more spread sound than Kawai. I don't know if it's because of the speakers set or Kawai is really more 'shy', even.
fantastic ! just the video :D
The same phenomena seem to be happening on the Wurlitzer (Kawai) stepped volume? Where the Yamaha has a smoother transition from soft to loud?
Which one would yo recommend me the most, the Yamaha p125, Kawai ES110 or the yamaha arius ydp-144? I don't have a big budged but I want to start learning piano, I want to buy something that could keep me learning for a few years at least...
@ThePianoforever - Imagine going from a Casio CTK-2090 to the Kawai ES110.
I got the CTK-2090 for christmas and found playing very fun. In case you've never touched something so cheap, it has no touch sensitivity, and while it has a port for a pedal, my brother in law didn' have a pedal when he gave it to me (he's got an acoustic piano now, don't know what kind). I had finally decided to upgrade it, decided this is something i want to invest my time into. After watching comparison videos and demos for hours upon hours spanning almost a months time, your video review of it and comparison video with the P-125/FP-30/ES110/crap-action-1000 (sorry lol, i don't remember the Casios model number), i finally made the decision, trusted you and took a leap of faith.
I absolutely LOVE the ES110. It accurately responds to me and tells me how bad i am all the time when i touch it, but it says it so sweetly lol. Learning how to use the pedal and to play loud or soft is much harder then i anticipated. I changed the "touch" setting to light just so i can hear the pieces i learned a little more accurately (I don't have the pinky strength and control to get consistent sharp tones from a note). I can't hate the old instrument, it has absolutely helped me build accuracy so that i'm not hitting the wrong notes all the time, but on the flipside it's impossible to go back to with how bad it is in comparison.
Anyhow, wanted to chime in here and let you know just how much i appreciate your expertise and review videos leading up to this expensive (for me) purchase decision. I have no regrets. Also, officially subscribed :).
And thank you for helping me to decide too. After many reviews of different pianos from different price ranges I have become a fan of the warmer sound of kawai. Although the bank of sounds is better in Yamaha I am not interested in those. I have heard complaints about Yamahas action being too heavy terrible on the fingers. Kawai has more dynamic which is good for someone who is trying to learn piano. The Roland f30 has a very good action but I just don't like the sound of Roland and it doesn't beat Kawai on dynamic. Yamagata might have better speakers, more volume but I want my piano to play at home. I don't need it to be loud.So next Tuesday I will be trying both Yamaha p125 and Kawai s110 but I am leaning towards Kawai s110.
@@Taichientaoyin what did you end up with after trying both?
Any chance you could please do an in-depth FP60X vs P515 comparison, for people who cannot spring for the FP90X?
Were the tonal and volume inconsistencies you found in the FP30 ever an issue in the FP60?
If so, have they been fixed in the FP60X?
I was unhappy with the CFX sound on a P515 I got to try out recently. Sounded very unsatisfactory (dull, electronic) vs. a couple Roland 'home pianos' sitting beside it, and a Roland digital grand I had played for about 30 mins.
Any insights you could give me would be great.
Alright, that last piece convinced me to get the Kawai ES110....side note, that piece has been my favorite for years. I decided on 10/11/20, that I wanted to learn the piano and eventually be able to play that piece of music.
Hi everyone ! I can't try out any new keyboards right now but currently play on a Yamaha p105. Would an upgrade to another Yamaha(such as the p125) make sense as far as feel goes just because it's the same brand ? Would buying another brand with "better action" feel alien to me ? I've been on the p105 for 5 years.
These brands need to come together... and make a new collaborative brand: Franken. :P
Then you have the classy looks of the Kawai and its response, the key feel of the Roland, the better selection of the Yamaha etc.
And could it hurt them to add a little tiny Casio watch-like digital display to indicate what instrument you're using? Geez louise!
Enjoyed that! Was cool seeing your play both at the same time! Very talented!
Imagine you got the billions to buy all the company and combine them to produce the product you just mentioned. Except when you actually got the billions, you will forget about it.
Couldn't be happier with my P125, a very nice upgrade from the P45 and I think imma stay here for a while. This thing has got a lot and it would satisfy even intermediate players
Does the action feel the same?
@@MrC77 yes probably
I’m upgrading from the p45 to the p125 soon so good to hear it was a nice upgrade 👍
I do want a Rhodes on a piano thanks for the comparisons. I do like ES110 piano and the P125 Rhodes
Excellent review.
Are there big differences about the sound and key action between p125 and DGX660?
I was thinking of getting the Kawai, but Yamaha sounds so much better to me, and more suitable for rock.
Question: Does the greater "dynamic response" of the Kawai come more from the sensitivity of the sensor/action or from the sample/sound engine? I ask because I want to know whether there is a difference in range for velocity when using it with MIDI. Does that make sense?
I would love to know this too as I am considering the sensitivity of the es110 as a midi controller
I believe its the sample. I recently started using VST, and i can tweak my p125's velocity curve to an extent that makes it feels like there are more sensors on the key (idk if that makes sense), but certainly the keys got more responsive. Nonetheless, the original velocity curve is not bad at all, and sometimes im too lazy to bother with the original velocity curve since its already very acceptable.
@@matheusfpilar cheers. Thats helpful to know.. I imagine this would be the same with the Kawai.. Thanks
I bought the Yamaha P121 as it is shorter/ save space and I actually love the unique brightness of Yamaha CF sound.
I'd like to buy a P121 too. Is 73 keys an issue, or you never found that a problem?
Today with the Roland FP30X, this still being the best two options?
Hearing the piano sounds, I would say Yamaha sounds better. But I want to prefer the ES110 because of how nice it is to play
What piano teaching book would you reccomend for someone just starting to play? Not the music theory, but piano learning
Thanks for the review. I'm looking to replace an older Yamaha P60 which a neighbor kindly gave me when I started lessons a year ago. As I've improved (slowly, but surely) I find action is not very good. I think the ES-110 will be a good replacement for the near future before I decide to spend a good deal more money for an acoustic. piano.
Lesson learned: when you can't pick one, buy both 😂
Jk I'm broke lmao
LOL!
Usually i prefer Kawai when I play a digital piano but in this case, about touch and sound, Yamaha P125 is the winner!!
Hey James, have you thought about looking at some of the Korg instruments in this price range? B2 and D1 for example?
Wondered about that too!
The D1 appears to have the same Korg RH3 key action as SV1, SV2 and Grandstage, so check those reviews for the key action. From my understanding the B2 has the NH budget key action - not as good.
What is your recommended keyboard that is as good as the presented pianos, and at the same time, the keyboard will be fun to sing along and make some music?
Do both support headspeaker outline and is possible to connect them to tablet (cable/bluetooth)?
In all of the comparison videos I've watched my ears immediately hear a more authentic, organic, clean, pleasing sound from the P125. When you switched over to the ES110 it sounded odd, muffled and "digital".
You got it mixed up
@@Seramics nope
Yeah I know nothing about pianos, but I noticed this too. the P125 sounded more like a real piano, the Kawai sounded like a digital piano with piano samples.
I guess maybe to a serious player, the dynamic response and all this other stuff is more important than the actual samples used...? I'm only guessing here.
@@mercster I just bought the p125 and I’ll let you know that you can alter the dynamic response. Also action wise it isn’t as good as more expensive digital pianos but it’s really good for the price and in general
Yamaha's FC4A sustain pedal is a must-have upgrade for the P125. It's also only 30 bucks, which is less than the price difference between these two pianos.
The FC4A is of lower quality than the Kawai standard pedal. It is close to the 12usd pedals u can find from oem.
it's better to by the Fc3A Sustain pedal because it has the "half pedal"
I was going to get the ES110 based on videos of Kawai vs Yamaha vs Roland comparison and the ES110 unboxing. Unfortunately I’d have to order the ES110 from Ontario and have it delivered to BC. And it would be on back order. The Yamaha I can get easier in BC. It’s only for me to restart my lessons from many years ago and a grandson (8) wanting to start. Thank you for the help deciding. It’s appreciated.
I was about to buy a piano, just an impulse purchase you do but then thought come on check out few reviews. 4 days later I am so lost haha.
Sameeee hahah i cant decide at all.
ES110 / P125 or DGX 660, buying one for my grandson, is anyone better than another, a bundle deal on either ES110 or P125 is around the same as the 660
sir wut do u think of the kawaii kdp75 i play k466 k545 and working on bwv1052 and was recommended that keyboard to replace my broken alesis please let me know if this is an acceptable choice thank u
anthony noble
Your reviews are the best! Can you please review casio's px 360, or compare it to other digital pianos in that price range? Thanks!
I've played the es110 and the Casio px 770 in store and I have to say that the action of the es110 felt more natural. However the Kawai es920 feels better than both of those and is on pair with Rolands fp-90. however the Roland costs 30% more where I live.
May I know what composition/title you are playing from 8:04 to 9:56? You are playing. awesomely. Thank you.
Hi there,
I have a 6 yo daughter who is going to start piano lessons next year, I need your advice which digital piano should I get for my daughter? I'm thinking getting her a Kawai KDP110. Looking forward to your reply. Thank you
Hi, i love your videos. Can you please share your special piano composition as MIDI file. I would love to practice it. Thanks.
Please do a review of Korg D1.
What about the Korg D1 action? Would you say it's better than the Kawai es 110?
Definitely the sound of the Yamaha is better in my opinion.Thanks for the review I'm going to get it
Still prefer the Kawai because the keys are more expressive.
Just getting into piano. Thanks for your guidance, it’s a p125 for me!
The YAMAHA is fantastic..would be great to start.
Wow, this video is so valuable! I've been going back and forth on what to buy for months, and finally I'm able to come to a decision. Thank you for your expertise!
What have you decided on?
I don't understand people who post these comments and don't tell people what they decided on lmao
Can you do one about Yamaha YDP144 Digital piano?
nice run through
One thing that may be worth considering is that the yamaha can be used as a midi controller over usb and the kawaii needs a 5-pin din box. If you wanted to use one of these pianos as a controller I think that's worth considering
Is it just me or the kawai sounds brighter and more open than the yamaha? I found the Yamaha sounding more muffled sounding.
If you can: compare in a store. Yamaha should be brighter.
which is is better in your opinion? im an intermediate pianist indoor and and outdoor player.
Kawaie Es110 for me!!
I have a question James: can the ES110 damper pedal work or function on the P125? I’m planning to utilize my old ES110 damper on the Yamaha. My Yamaha will be arriving next month
I do believe they USUALLY work with their respective brands only
That one would probably be Kawai only but there are several good generic options.
Is it at all possible to connect the Kawai to a phone or computer, run a VST and listen to the VST effects through the piano speakers?
Yes, but in that case you would save a lot of money by buying a midi controller instead of a digital piano
Korg D1 have a very Nice action is the same key bed build in the flagship models of korg Sv1 Kronos grandstage
I chose the Yamaha because of the 50 dollar gift card rebate they had in March- they might be coming out with the new p125 successor (just a guess) the Yamaha sounds best with a good pair of headphones but for some reason their “live piano” sounds honky tonk on headphones but different with the internal speakers. I’m not sure what live piano means tho. I might get a pair of powered monitors for it.
I don’t regret the purchase it has been pretty good so far.
Hello 👋 one question, in terms of the key action, which do you prefer? Piano action is more important to me.
I think when it comes to that kawai is in the least
Question: I am taking a liking to the Yamaha P125 thanks to your review videos on the instrument. One of the big pros the ES110 has over it is the fact that it ships with a very nice sustain pedal. I was wondering if it is compatible with the Yamaha; buying it and then purchasing Kawai's pedal separately is something that I'm considering. Thanks.
It's possible, but unlikely. I've found that pedals and keyboards from two different manufacturers don't work well together. Yamaha has a few different upgraded pedals (a single pedal and a triple pedal, too) that are nice, and will work with the P125.
@@ThePianoforever Oh I see. I will check those out, thanks!
Hi James, thanks, your reviews are awesome. I notice (with my headphones on) on the second Piece you play there is a noice, like a "BUSHHS" noice both pianos like around min 9:00, did you record by lines or mic? Thanks
Both keyboards were recorded by line outputs. The noise you're hearing is the simulated sound of the dampers lifting off of the strings, to add a touch of realism to the sound. It's totally normal.
@@ThePianoforever I find it very distracting, can it be lowered or modified?
E: Apparently you can change the Damper resonance setting through pressing keys
Please do a comparison with Roland FP30X!
Hi great review. Anyone knows the piece played at 16:10?
+1
Maybe I missed it but, I didn't hear it mentioned that the Yamaha has play-along rhythm tracks.
I don't think the p125 has those. I could be wrong