I hear AMD is no good at ray tracing. I don't care 'that much' if it's true or not right now, i just do the best i can with what i can afford. I have other expenses in life and it adds up. I don't care about 4k either, 1440 is more than enough for me, there are other things more important than 4k. Rather invest in a good monitor and play at 1080.
@@derealized797I can testify that AMD is behind on Ray Tracing, and the quality of FSR is inferior from DLSS, but they are great value and have amazing rasterized performance
6GHz 14900KS still gets beat in gaming by any Zen 4 X3D CPU and burns a lot more power. And now they're detuning them because intel pushed too far and they're failing left and right.
@@derealized797 Nvidia paid off CDPR to turn Cyberpunk into a 40 series showcase. They deliberately made it difficult for AMD to perform well in RT with that title and all the acrimony over AMD ray tracing is based off Cyberpunk because AMD GPUs do fine in RT with every other game out there that supports it. Maybe it will be a few fps slower in some cases but that's easy to live with considering AMD GPUs are the superior value proposition in most cases. An RX6600 with reBAR enabled will perform good enough for most people at 1440p. An RTX 3060 12GB is even better. Going from 1080p to 1440p is a revelation. Going from 1440p to 4k is far less impressive. And 4k just isn't worth the cost currently. 8k will be virtually pointless because you're getting beyond the ability of most people to perceive a difference. It is similarly ridiculous to push 300 or more fps. The difference is imaginary because even those with the best visual acuity cannot perceive flicker much above 120fps. My monitor does up to 165fps which is as much as I will ever need or could ever use. One of the nice things about being an aging gamer is that things start to look smoother at lower framerates, lol. When I was a kid, I occasionally played games at refresh rates up to 240Hz interlaced, which translates to 120Hz in modern terms and I could still perceive flicker. Now, not so much. 90fps or better is buttery smooth for me. But I still have 20/10 vision so if I don't think it is worth going to 4k yet, nobody else should unless they can afford to literally wipe their ass with money and burn it afterwards.
@@derealized797 It's not, I've seen the benchmarks. Also regardless of what you say, DLSS 3 and frame generation are a literal game changer! In Cyberpunk, I average around 65-74 fps on average. With FG on I get 100+ fps on average and the visuals are amazing, with everything cranked up! This is just my opinion, but if you can afford it, Nvidia is the better buy hands down.
A man's e-waste is a blessing for other man. I just bought an ex-mining RX 570 for $5. It still runs well but it only has one video output so I might flip it later
It's like this with cars and so many other things, we aren't all rich, some of us depend on second hand items to get by. I've often gone with used tires on my car, since some people replace their tires annually... i can't imagine it myself. But they're still basically new. Hardly any wear whatsoever. In some neighborhoods, people throw away newer lawnmowers or equipment because they need a new spark plug. Friend of mine got a nice leather couch, because the people it belonged to were redecorating and the color "didn't match". It's kind of annoying how wasteful but if it works out for US, then hey whatever, I don't think I'm too good for it.
@@harddrive7316 The 1660 super is still a great card, really good value for money and won't destroy your wallet, it's still capable of running a lot of newer games at 1080p at mid settings
🙂 add more system ram, sometimes depending on the situation the ram can be substituted for vram, its how you see even today many 2GB video cards being carried by the platform
Nope but you can turn a 6GB 2060 or 3060 into a 12GB one. Can't download it but you can buy the chips online. VRAM is gonna be more important than raw rasterization capability over the next few years and frame gen is just a magic trick to wow ignoramuses. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Yeah, 1080p is still used by 60 something percent of steam users and rtx 3060 is most popular card by a wide margin. The people that run 4k with a 4080-4090 are probably about 5% of pc users, but they're a loud minority.
@@Flyon86 yup, myself, I can't really see the difference between 1080p and anything higher, but as long as I can play 1080p 60 and not have my system going over 70c, that's a win to me.
One infamous myth I often heard about - especially for people with ultra-tight budget - was "Who cares if they're low quality, just go super-cheap, as long as it works!". I learned that myth the hard way over a decade ago when my old, now-dead Intel LGA 775 system had its PCIe slot malfunctioning permanently due to the system being powered by a tin can of a PSU. My display driver kept crashing at random even during normal usage, even if the only graphics cards I used for the system have low power consumption. Not even replacing the PSU with a good quality one solved the issue as crashes/BSODs did still happen from time to time. In the end, I was stuck having to use its AGP slot instead with an older GPU (yes, the board has a VIA chipset, hence the AGP/PCIe combo), as the AGP was thankfully spared from what I assumed to be power delivery problems. That is why you must NEVER go too cheap & and too low quality with your brand-new PC components, or electronics in general, especially for long-term usage.
Upgrades are a vicious cycle pushed mainly by corporate greed and affiliate links. Be happy with what you've built and max out its potential before you upgrade, you'll save money and time
I actually have a plan to re-purpose “E-Waste” more specifically “sold for parts” or “does not work” rather than them going to landfill, I want to start making art pieces out of them :)
🙂 many ewaste video cards are still usable for low spec video games, the problem is nobody really talks about the game or the video cards, ignorance is causing Ewaste, most consumers just dont know
@@MrSamadolfo I was thinking more about the ones that were labelled as parts only due to dead cores/faulty units that can’t be fixed lol but I completely get what you mean, if you’re just running something with low graphics requirements or e-sports titles, you don’t need the best card
I read an article recently that suggested that Microsoft is working on a project to help optimize CPU utilization in gaming, meaning your old Xeons will likely get a new lease on life for gaming soon. You'll actually be able to compensate somewhat for lower clock speeds and IPC by better utilizing more threads.
@@Lurch-Bot Highly doubt that. This coming from the same company that said Windows 10 will be the last Windows, then they suddenly spring up a new one with way higher system requirements. 🤔🤔
Being a high tier part enthusiast... What I come to find out, talking to fellow PC gamers, is that they know nothing about PC hardware or settings. They have no idea what the graphics settings do in their games, they don't notice most stability problems with their builds because they don't know any different. In other words they can make decent toast, but don't understand how the toaster works.
Because somewhere along the line users were duped into this idea that spending more money makes you a true enthusiast rather than knowing what you're actually doing with your hardware in general. So now people who spent way too much money on shit they never needed think they have the right to shit on someone who makes better use of their money/time/hardware buying exactly what they need and getting the most out of it. I can't believe it's 2024 and people still think you get what you pay for. Spoiler alert: You don't.
There is also art in taking old, destined for the scrap heap/land fill hardware, that probably ran spreadsheets for 10 years and getting it to do something it was never actually designed to do. But since I was building computers in the 90s when there was little to no difference between an office PC and a gaming PC in terms of hardware or aesthetics, it's not a new concept to me. Only marketing has gone into excessive overdrive on computers these days...
Its like people who are buying performance cars and doing crazy stunts despite not having the knowledge or skills and getting into accidents etc. Alot of people generally follow trends and many want to be part of that "cool" crowd and especially nowadays with social media,marketing that constantly shove it into your face that you need to have that this and that to be part of said "crowd" etc.
@@leerobinson8709 I still like to disguise my PC as an old business machine, no RGB or stickers, all the power is under the hood and what matters is that i know it's there. I feel less likely to have it stolen too but who knows. Maybe.
Very good comments!! Perfectly right, be happy what you have and not more than you need.. I have been using an old 1155 mb, 16gb ddr3, Xeon E3-1240v2 (3770 twin), rx 580 and just sata ssds for many years now, was enought for me! Recently "upgraded" to am4, Ryzen 3600, 32bg ddr4, rx 6600 and nvme.. Sure that is much faster! Thats all I need today and a few years ahead.. Dont listen to peaple on the internet that think they know! Be an individall.. Noone "needs" a 4090.. Dream on!
no one needs to have fun, desires and affordability are different for everyone, some people want to play competitive games at still competitive latency but with better visuals. no need to only use your frame of reference as the only one
I remembered when rtx 20 series and gtx 16 series came out. I dreamt about getting a 2070 or 2080 to rid of my gtx 970 in my first “gaming” pc (with a 4th gen i7, all of which I saved up from Christmas and birthday money). I was still like 15 or 16 at the time and didn’t get a job until I was 18. I’m 22 this year and currently have a Zotac 3080, 3070 FE, and 2070 Super FE respectively. I feel that FOMO, as another comment mentioned, is a big factor when we decide what parts we wanna get or upgrade to and newer generations of people seem to take things for granted. That being said, I’m so grateful to be able to have nice hardware today so it’s laughable when someone calls older hardware “e-waste” since a good amount of hardware is still useable today as well. They may not be up to the same standards today, but older hardware is something I’ve always admired now.
🙂 funny u mention that, my first gaming pc was on a simple Lenovo Haswell Motherboard with an i3-4160, recently only because of Nostalgia i bought a Asus Z97 board, Devils Canyon 4790K, and a Red Devil 5700 XT 8GB just for that nostalgia itch, fortunately everything boots up and runs 😏👍🔥😈😈🔥
@@MrSamadolfo solid build! My first “gaming” pc was the classic Dell optiplex with an i7-4770 and GTX 645. Few months in the mobo was moved into a free NZXT case I got with an EVGA 600w psu and MSI gtx 970. Was my dream build at the time too 😅
I'm rocking a xeon e5 1660v3($20) OCed to 4.3ghz, 1.285v on a machinist x99 mr9a pro from aliexpress. I have it paired up with an rx 570 (upgrading soon to a rx 6750 xt) and so far it's been running everything I throw at it with zero issues. These cpus combined with quad channel ram and a considerable overclock can match or sometimes beat ryzen 3rd/5th gen in gaming. Now most people are turned off from xeons on the x99 platform, from the high power draw to the low single core speed and outdated memory controllers, leading to common gpu bottlenecks. Especially with v4 xeons, as they cannot be overclocked or turbo unlocked at all. However there are exceptions: 1650/60/80 v3 xeons are unlocked and can be overclocked to increase performance and circumvent this problem 26xx v3 cpus cannot be overclocked, but you can do a turbo unlock, meaning the single core turbo can be ran on every core (on xeons such as the 2697v3 or 2699v3, The high 18 core count at 3.7ghz with a generous 40-45mb of l3 cache make it a competitor to ryzen 3rd Gen and even 5th Gen in gaming and even beating it in work tasks) Keep in mind these cpus don't even go for more than 50 dollars. Now just because the cpus are cheap doesn't mean you'll be as lucky with the motherboards, trusted motherboard brands like msi or asus are more expensive and harder to come across used. Chinese motherboards are always there as an option and for cheap(I picked one up) and although some of them are fairly good quality, the bioses leave alot to be desired. If you are in the US, shipping can be long and potentially expensive from China, which is something to keep in mind. If you have questions with x99, there is a youtuber by the name of miyconst and he has answers
I like your stance on "game at what you can game at, and don't let the gamer bois tell you it is somehow bad". I play only a single MMO game, and an ARC A750 runs the game with max settings on my 1080p gaming TV with good framerates. My lack of a 4090 does not keep me up at night! :)
daily drive radeon 6950xt and have many others in the past years zero issues many inexperienced users mistake wimdows issues or game issues for amd driver issue
At some point I'm going to own a 6950xt simply because I still have both Radeon HD 6950s from 12+ years ago. One in a box and one in my mom's win 7 Mahjongg machine in her studio lol
I have a 4090 & 5800x3d on my living room pc and large screen tv. A couple of months ago, I turned the spare room into a gaming den, no one "bothers me" in there. I play most of my games (which are usually older games) on a ryzen 3600 and 2070. The 2070 is a great little card, it often plays older games at 4k.
A friend of mine mentioned that he was retiring an old workstation graphics card from a work computer, and it was basically just going to get sent to a recycling centre. I told him I could sell it for him, but he ended up giving it to me instead. I thought it was an original GTX Titan, but it was actually a GTX Titan X Pascal, which is basically a 12GB version of a GTX 1080 ti! I can't believe they were about to basically just recycle it! I can understand why they thought a graphics card released over 7 1/2 years ago wasn't worth much of anything, but it will run even the most demanding games reasonably well, and most games will still work fine in 1440p, sometimes without even needing FSR. Of course, there's a good chance that someone else would have recognized what it was and rescued it if I hadn't... But not necessarily!
Brilliant find mate, hold onto that one! I have the 1080 Ti and I've covered it a lot here on the channel. So I can imagine the TITAN Xp is a slither faster. Still, both are viable GPUs in 2024!
Im pretty satisfied with a 2017 rig i bought last year even though i have some random issues and people tell me to upgrade. Ryzen 7 1700x 32G ddr4 ram 1tb ssd and a big evga 1060 6g
Since you have an am4 system there's a lot of room to upgrade eventually for not that much money. Even a used ryzen 3600 or 3700 should be a good performance increase. Add on a radeon 6600 to that and you can play pretty much any modern game at 60 fps 1080p.
I've been running various AMD and Nvidia GPUs for a decade, and I've never had a single driver issue with any of them. E-waste? I have six custom PC builds available for use ATM, the least powerful being a 3600X / 5700XT I use as an HTPC. Both used to be in my main gaming PC. On top of that, I keep an R9-290, an RX-580, and a 980Ti on hand as ready spares.
This kind of stuff makes me laugh. Until January I was using a Dell T3600 with a Sandy Bridge X79 based Xeon 64GBs of DDR3 with an RX 570 8GB. Only upgraded when I had random stability issues and it being proprietary made troubleshooting harder. Replaced it with a Ryzen 5 1600AF I got for a trade with an RX 5600XT and 32GBs of DDR4. So far it is doing everything I need from productivity to gaming.
Everyone played PS1 and 2, N64, Dreamcast etc no problem. Now they NEED 60-120-144 FPS. People just get spoiled so fu**ng easily. I could play almost any game on ultra 60+FPS or even more but just prefer to lock my FPS to 60 or even 30 on single player titles. Most of the time my GPU is at 30-40% so it runs cool and stable. Having your fps all over the place makes no sense. I have a Switch, I play COD mobile. Why would I need 60 or more FPS? Crazy times we're living in.
I've gone from a 6900XT to 7900XTX and mostly (outside of the OpenGL driver patch) crashes were of my own fault messing with undervolting and VRAM oc. There does exist a media encoder hardware bug on RDNA3 where AV1 at 1080p record in 1920x1088 in Relive and 1082 in OBS. Sucks but yeah.
Just downgrade your monitors to something from ~2010s when panels came with "hardware motion blur" embedded at you'll be amazed how 50~60fps looks smooth compared to modern fast refresh rate panels. If you already have one, don't change it. You're welcome.
fully agree; i'd like to also add the fun factor of getting to mess around with high end hardware that you couldn't get ahold of in years past but is now accessible - for people that are enthusiasts, it's fun to run old benchmarks or really test that stuff out. i might have mentioned before, but if someone is just going for bigger numbers (scores, fps, 3dmarks, et c) then that sort of takes a lot of the fun from the computer hobby - at that point it's a money game. getting more limited hardware to stretch a budget for the most performance for the money spent also pushes someone's computer skills in optimizing and being choosy on parts, software, versions, et c.
Yeah, that's true. Getting the most performance out of say a $600 build requires a lot more creativity and understanding than just being able to throw $2,000+ at a build to get premium hardware.
@@MrSamadolfo lol i like that perspective. plus you can get some really oddball combinations to see how far (example i7-920 with 1080 Ti) can go before a bottleneck sets in which is an interesting exercise in itself.
@@chazbotic 😊 funny u mention that, did some testing on my Core2Quad and i7-870, for video cards right now the performance tapers off around an RTX 3060ish, the RTX 3050 is cheaper and good enough but surprisingly in some situations a 3060 does still make a difference and you will get a bump in performance in some situations, i haven't seen anybody do a video on stuff like that 🤔 i guees nobody really care tho
Im happy with my 4th gen h81-p32l motherboard thats running an i7 4790 dont have a graphics card because of my financial situation if i get a graphics card i'll be happy about it even if i dont id still be happy you dont always get what you want in life but that makes you appreciate what you have
For me as long as I can play 1080p and at least 30 - 60fps in any graphics settings I'm fine with it... I got i5-6500, 16gb DDR4 Ram, RX580 2048sp GPU and z270 motherboard... Mostly I play for now is Monster Hunter World... I am happy with the game performance... I can get at least 50fps - 60fps in mid and high settings... I agree that as long as you are happy with the current specs of your PC why change it??? Just because we have new generation of pc components does not mean we need to upgrade that fast... If we are satisfy with the current performance I don't see any reason as well to upgrade unless it was broken...
@@ProYamYamPC yes I just change my processor from i5-6500 to i7-6700... Well no plans still of changing my current generation of pc... As long as I can still play games like monster hunter world and shadow of the tomb raider, I'm satisfy...
if someone tries telling you that AMD has bad drivers just know that the person that is saying that is stuck in 2008. As much as I have nostalgia for the mid and late 00's of my childhood, just realize that in that moment, the person you are talking to, is both literally, and figuratively out of touch.
@@JosueHernandez-nu5cp out of touch confirmed. Adrenaline software is and has been great. You're likely conflating bad hardware launching of Vega 56 and 64 in 2017. Unfortunately this isn't subjective in nature, as the proof of everything is a few searches away.
@@JosueHernandez-nu5cp youre not going to hoodwink and finesse your way into a situation that isnt factual in nature. Ive been Building Pcs and in the hardware space since socket 775, youre not fleecing me.
I'm running a 7800XT right now and runs great. Have had a few issues with individual drivers as you'd have with Nvidia or Intel but for gaming and recording videos its been really good. I've been thinking about streaming for a while though so I might return to the green team if I want to do that in future.
I just upgraded my rig from a i3-2100 to a Xeon e3 1230v2 for 18 bucks! and for the gpu i got a mining variant of the asus rx470 4gb for just 30 usd and i have never been happier with the performance i got
My motile laptop had the amd drivers corrupt at least once a month. although I don't blame that entirely on AMD it's not hard to see why that could get them a bad rep.
It wasn't too long ago that AMD still had the green screen crash issue. I've experienced it many times across multiple microarchitectures. Drivers seem fine on 6000 series. IDK about 7000 series. It has been a year or so since I last gamed on a 5700 XT and I didn't have any issues then. But a couple years prior, yeah. Turing still working fine in 2024. For that matter, aside from AW2, the 1080 still delivers solid performance. A Haswell i7 and a 1080 is a solid budget rig even in 2024. I sold one recently. Nobody can say when you are going to need to upgrade your current gaming PC. This all depends on what happens with game development over the next few years and what you personally are going to play. I don't envision buying many new releases in the foreseeable future because they keep releasing duds left and right. I also have games in my library that I've never played. I just downgraded my gaming PC, going from a 3060 12GB to a 2060 6GB. I'm playing Fallout 4 mostly right now. I can upgrade the VRAM to 12GB if I want, to keep up with ever increasing VRAM requirements but the rasterization performance is fine for the time being, even at 1440p. I don't see those requirements dramatically rising over the next 2-3 years but that's just an educated guess. Then there is resolution scaling so I can always drop the render resolution to 1080p and upscale. But I'd rather play at 1440p low than 1080p high, generally speaking. The 2060 has the performance to run Cyberpunk at 1440p low and top out at 90-100fps. I'm likely going to sell the 3060 in a build. Used 3060 12GB GPUs are selling for upwards of $250 on the used market. It is a solid 1440p GPU. But there are idiots talking out their butt who say it is obsolete. But if you actually know anything, the 3060 12GB is probably going to outlast the 4060 as far as becoming obsolete for playing new releases, simply because the 4060 really isn't a huge performance uplift and that extra 4GB VRAM is what will keep the 3060 in the game longer. I tested a $200 Power Color RX6600 recently and it absolutely exceeded all expectations. It met the average for the 6650XT right out of the box. Was just a hair behind the average for the 3060. It preformed more than good enough at 1440p. I started PC gaming in the early '90s. I first played DOOM at about 18fps. I like to get 90fps if I can but 60 is more than good enough. I started playing Cyberpunk on an R9 380 and a sub- 60fps experience and it was totally playable at 40-50fps. I think people who are forking over wads of cash for a 4090 and gaming at 4k are just ridiculous. And when they go to 8k in a couple of years, it will be ridiculous cubed. It is the same with 300+ fps monitors. Beyond a certain point, you're just imagining the improvement because you are getting into territory where human vision just isn't good enough to perceive a difference. I have unusually good visual acuity and the difference between 2k and 4k just isn't worth what it costs right now. People need to check the Steam Survey because 4k is still very much a niche product for gaming and the majority are still at 1080p. I tried 4k for a week back when I had a 3080, decided it wasn't worth it, and settled on 1440p. The improvement going from 1080p to 1440p is far more noticeable than the improvement going from 1440p to 4k. And going from 4k to 8k will be verging on imperceptible for those with the best vision. It will actually be imperceptible to a lot of humans. I've done the early adopter thing before. It just isn't worth it. I have other hobbies besides PCs and gaming.
My current PC specs (i5 6500 16GB 2133hz ddr4 RTX 3050 6gb) Not the greatest but gets the job done at medium/high settings with 60+ fps on most games I play. Games like CS2 I easily get 200+ fps low/high Apex Legends 120+ medium/high
I’ve been using AMD cards since they were called ATI and have honestly have less problems than so the Nvidia. Although I haven’t had issues with Nvidia for years. Maybe because I got my first graphics card when Nvidia was at their lowest point with the FX series and AMD/ATI had their great 9000 series but I’ve never seen Nvidia as some kind of master of the graphics world like people do these days.
I've used cards from both companies. More Nvidia than AMD. But, in the last few years, I've tested the waters when it comes to Radeon and they are pretty good cards. HD7850, RX570, RX5700XT and all 3 have been solid cards. Drivers seem ok for the time being. no issues so far. what i do is use DDU to fully delete old driver and then freshly install new driver (and click the clean install box) when they are available. The RX5700XT is currently the daily driver in my gaming PC with is paired up with a R7 5700X. Paid only 90 dollars for the card last summer. I'll probably use it till I find another good deal on a Radeon card. as to with one, idk...
I do agree with you but I wouldn't pair a 4470 with a 2060S, my old Z70 4470 build used to bottleneck my 1060 let alone GPU like a 2060S which is 70% stronger. Anything from a Zen+ part should work better, I use my 2060S with an R5 5500 which seems to work quite well, originally it was paired with an R7 1700 but I wouldn't honestly recommend a Zen part today for gaming.
I need to know when AMD had bad drivers. I didn't have bad drivers any time from 2011 through now. No AMD specific issues. 8 years ago in 2016, it also seemed the same way as it is now to me. A lot of people claiming the drivers are bad with no evidence.
I heard AMD drivers were only bad d/t Nvidia making the registry changes and without DDU youd get errors. Like if you started with a AMD card 8 years ago or more it would have been fine but if you tried to change and you didn't know about DDU then you were screwed. Any merit to this?
DDU should be a standart procedure at this point. It's a trusted program, that will make sure to leave no traces of previous drivers. Take it from me, who has been using that program for 5 years decently often.
DDU is good even just for updating drivers. But if you're switching from Nvidia to AMD or vice versa, it's an absolute necessity. I use DDU every time I update my Nvidia drivers, and I've never had any issues.
people who perpetuate the AMD bad myth are sad people who have nothing better to do because if they had things to do they wouldn't be vehemently meatriding Nvidia like that
I think one of the reasons why people have this misconception about the stability of AMD drivers is probably due to Windows. It's known to sometimes cause issues itself, but a lot of people jump into the conclusion that it has to be the manufacturer of the card not doing a good enough of a job developing drivers. I have experienced this myself, had a 6700 XT mysteriously uninstall drivers by itself or cause crashes. Even after rolling back to older versions, which never had issues, the crashing persisted. That is, until i updated Windows. The issues were gone from then on. Yes, sometimes you will have to tinker with DDU and reinstall the drivers, but that is a rare occasion and not something that people should blame AMD for necessarily. I have owned and extensively used Radeon cards for about 5 years and i can say that with each card the stability improvement was massive.
That'd be a windows update installing a driver. Not sure how it happens because it hasn't happened to me in the past 14 years but yeah, it's a windows driver issue.
"Common sense going the way of the Dodo" lol, well said and very true especially here in the states smh. Like another commenter said, one mans E-waste is another mans blessing.
Older hardware isn't actually obsolete until it's no longer capable of doing what you, the user, needs it to do. And this doesn't just apply to something like older i7. I've been using my second channel here, the one I am posting this comment with, for a dedicated project to show the FX-8350 still has some gaming life in it in 2024, and spoiler, it still does. Will you be running Jedi Survivor or Alan Wake 2, no (the latter due to lack of AVX2). But there are hundreds of titles, both older and newer, that still run fine on it, like Lies of P, Returnal, Uncharted, GTA V, Red Dead Redemption 2, Sniper Elite 5, Grid, Resident Evil remakes, etc. If you are sitting on an older FX 8320/8350/8370 build, or something like an older 4c/8t i7 setup, and want to squeeze another year or two out of it while you save up to do something better down the road, it's still possible on these 12 year old processors. Paired with about any GPU in the $80-150 range will allow you to keep doing some budget 1080P/1440P gaming.
i tested 3 amd cards an hd 6450 an hd 4850 and an r7 350 and the drivers are the most reliable i've ever seen cause ive ran into one issue in 6 years of experience with amd but with nvidia i ran with 2 issues with drivers this shows that amd is much better than nvidia by my experience
I was all too ready to jump on the driver bandwagon against amd, but then nvidia got expensive and I took the dive to AMD. I've actually had less trouble with the amd card than with my old 1060
I run a 7600XT and a 7600 CPU in my new gaming rig, works really well and is air cooled, given the nonsense with over driving Intel chips and ruining them I'm glad I went with AMD, I don't agree with Nvidia price gouging with their products.
IVe just bought a ryzen with a 2060 fairly cheap, Only bought it because it was cheap, my old ivybridge xeon dell with a 1060 still ran most things quite well, friends got a 8700k and a 1080ti and has no problems with anything on his 1080p tv.
>tis is because AMD drivers are totaly fine in 2024 >my RX5700 who randomly show me GSOD over 3 years when you switching from memory intensive load into idle: 🗿🗿🗿 And real joke is AMD well know about this but does not fix that issue for whole 3 generations of they graphic cards
9900k and 2080 still going strong. More demanding games I limit to 60fps on my 3440x1440 @144 msi monitor but I have no complaints. 13 year old me playing 480p halo ce at maaaybe 30 fps on a super blurry rear projection dlp TV would shit a fucking chicken at how amazing games look today.
That said, I've always got an eye out for a deal. If someone is selling something better than what I've already got, for significantly less than market value, it's fiscally irresponsible to not buy it. I could hold onto this 9900k for 10 years and still make money when I sell it for the price I paid. 2080 has depreciated below what I paid but it wouldn't be a bad hit and I've owned it for almost 5 years.
The whole RTX 2070 is BS when you consider UFD Tech made a video on using the GTX 750Ti snd Gamers Nexus did a video on the 1080. They still can run games fine. Modern games.
Amd Radeon vii failed spectacularly had to use modded drivers instead then came Alan Wake 2 I now own an ARC A770 Night and day. Glad I traded just to play Alan Wake 2
ATI drivers were garbage for so long. That's how I became an Nvidia fanboy. At least until the current generation of graphics cards. Now I refuse to upgrade at all. This whole generation is trash.
If you're an older gamer you'll remember when the recommendation for users with lower-end hardware was: 'Don't turn on anti-aliasing. Your frame rate will lower too much for it to be worth it. Just put up with the jagged edges.' Then later it was shadows.... 'Don't turn on extra shadows, your frame rate will lower too much.' Seems like ray-tracing is the new anti-aliasing/shadows, except IMO antil-aliasing and quality shadows made a much bigger difference back in the day that RT does today.
Anti-aliasing uses GPU power to smooth those jagged lines and edges. The same things for shadows. If you want a higher frame rate, disabling both will increase it. RT uses much much more gpu power than both of those ever did. They aren't myths, instead of commenting things you've just made up you can just go and test it for yourself.
Anything which is not related to geometry is extra tax on the graphics card. Anti Aliasing, Bloom. Ambient Occlusion, Depth of View, Motion Blur, Tessellation, God Rays, Ray Tracing, etc.
amd drivers do still crash i have the 6950xt, just takes a bit longer for them to fix driver issues than nvidia. amd does overclock way better with modern gpus tho. arc has driver issues and playing new releases with them is just not enjoyable. also when people say old hardware is ewaste they are talking about the rx 470 or the gtx 970. upgrading is for people who want to upgrade their performance. upgrading is also for playing current titles which do take more vram, whether that be from poor optimization or designed for consoles which have 16gb. upgrading is to maintain a quality experience that is the same relative to the market.
GTX is dead, Nvidia is doing end of life for the line, just like AMD did for everything before the 5000 series graphics, by no longer releasing drivers for them.
🙂 the problem is multifold, its like the any Sphere or Space where its dominated by simps and betas and noobs and trolls, and they dont know what the hell they are talking about, or they loud commenters are the stuckup types, or they are kids, or the inmature, you see the samething with Bicycles or Motorcycles or Cars or Trucks, theres an old boomer saying that I think still rings true: It's not about your Ride, but that your Ride 👊😎🛵
4th gen Intel CPUs are the minimum to play with "outdated" hardware. Anything below that you'll have more problem playing games, especially new ones. With GPU's, Nvidia GPUs with the Maxwell architecture are still getting driver support every now and then, and AMD's GCN 2 architecture have DX12 support despite their lack of dead driver support. This makes them the minimum for decent gaming.
😒 what if ur just a preschool kid or a boomer that just wants to play Quake 3 Live or Quake Champions or Left 4 Dead 2 or Roblox? they dont have a voice on utube, theres a ton of games that you can play with a 20 dollar video card or even Integrated Graphics, stop being a little b complaining about Muh Frames, grow up and grow a pair 😅 shiiiii
its a shame how even outdated pc myths can affect modern pc gaming
I hear AMD is no good at ray tracing. I don't care 'that much' if it's true or not right now, i just do the best i can with what i can afford. I have other expenses in life and it adds up. I don't care about 4k either, 1440 is more than enough for me, there are other things more important than 4k. Rather invest in a good monitor and play at 1080.
@@derealized797I can testify that AMD is behind on Ray Tracing, and the quality of FSR is inferior from DLSS, but they are great value and have amazing rasterized performance
6GHz 14900KS still gets beat in gaming by any Zen 4 X3D CPU and burns a lot more power. And now they're detuning them because intel pushed too far and they're failing left and right.
@@derealized797 Nvidia paid off CDPR to turn Cyberpunk into a 40 series showcase. They deliberately made it difficult for AMD to perform well in RT with that title and all the acrimony over AMD ray tracing is based off Cyberpunk because AMD GPUs do fine in RT with every other game out there that supports it. Maybe it will be a few fps slower in some cases but that's easy to live with considering AMD GPUs are the superior value proposition in most cases.
An RX6600 with reBAR enabled will perform good enough for most people at 1440p. An RTX 3060 12GB is even better. Going from 1080p to 1440p is a revelation. Going from 1440p to 4k is far less impressive. And 4k just isn't worth the cost currently. 8k will be virtually pointless because you're getting beyond the ability of most people to perceive a difference. It is similarly ridiculous to push 300 or more fps. The difference is imaginary because even those with the best visual acuity cannot perceive flicker much above 120fps. My monitor does up to 165fps which is as much as I will ever need or could ever use.
One of the nice things about being an aging gamer is that things start to look smoother at lower framerates, lol. When I was a kid, I occasionally played games at refresh rates up to 240Hz interlaced, which translates to 120Hz in modern terms and I could still perceive flicker. Now, not so much. 90fps or better is buttery smooth for me. But I still have 20/10 vision so if I don't think it is worth going to 4k yet, nobody else should unless they can afford to literally wipe their ass with money and burn it afterwards.
@@derealized797 It's not, I've seen the benchmarks. Also regardless of what you say, DLSS 3 and frame generation are a literal game changer! In Cyberpunk, I average around 65-74 fps on average. With FG on I get 100+ fps on average and the visuals are amazing, with everything cranked up! This is just my opinion, but if you can afford it, Nvidia is the better buy hands down.
A man's e-waste is a blessing for other man. I just bought an ex-mining RX 570 for $5. It still runs well but it only has one video output so I might flip it later
Exactly. I got my GTX 1660 Super from someone who got a RTX 3070 for a deal and upgraded to that, and I bought his former 1660 Super for $100
flippers are the cancer of the pc community.
😏👍 5 bucks sweet, i like to tinker with cheap video cards, see if that card works with an amernimezone driver
It's like this with cars and so many other things, we aren't all rich, some of us depend on second hand items to get by. I've often gone with used tires on my car, since some people replace their tires annually... i can't imagine it myself. But they're still basically new. Hardly any wear whatsoever. In some neighborhoods, people throw away newer lawnmowers or equipment because they need a new spark plug. Friend of mine got a nice leather couch, because the people it belonged to were redecorating and the color "didn't match". It's kind of annoying how wasteful but if it works out for US, then hey whatever, I don't think I'm too good for it.
@@harddrive7316 The 1660 super is still a great card, really good value for money and won't destroy your wallet, it's still capable of running a lot of newer games at 1080p at mid settings
The fear of missing out (FOMO) and marketing unfluence our decisionmaking so much when it comes to hardware..
🙂 yes its kinda like a religious fanatical cult, its a sign of inmaturity and being a beta male simp LOL 😅
Nvidia are masters of leveraging FOMO
I was never more dissapointed than the day I learned I actually couldnt download more RAM. Very informative and entertaining video btw!
🙂 add more system ram, sometimes depending on the situation the ram can be substituted for vram, its how you see even today many 2GB video cards being carried by the platform
Nope but you can turn a 6GB 2060 or 3060 into a 12GB one. Can't download it but you can buy the chips online. VRAM is gonna be more important than raw rasterization capability over the next few years and frame gen is just a magic trick to wow ignoramuses. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
its crazy that ppl say that about the 2060 when the gtx 1650 is still number 2 on steam hardware survey, also most ppl are playing at 1080p
bate people who say 1080 is bad when it's awesome
its cheaper to buy a 1650 or 1660 than a 2060 🤷
@@schifferu its only like 30 bucks cheaper depending on where you look
Yeah, 1080p is still used by 60 something percent of steam users and rtx 3060 is most popular card by a wide margin.
The people that run 4k with a 4080-4090 are probably about 5% of pc users, but they're a loud minority.
@@Flyon86 yup, myself, I can't really see the difference between 1080p and anything higher, but as long as I can play 1080p 60 and not have my system going over 70c, that's a win to me.
One infamous myth I often heard about - especially for people with ultra-tight budget - was "Who cares if they're low quality, just go super-cheap, as long as it works!". I learned that myth the hard way over a decade ago when my old, now-dead Intel LGA 775 system had its PCIe slot malfunctioning permanently due to the system being powered by a tin can of a PSU. My display driver kept crashing at random even during normal usage, even if the only graphics cards I used for the system have low power consumption. Not even replacing the PSU with a good quality one solved the issue as crashes/BSODs did still happen from time to time. In the end, I was stuck having to use its AGP slot instead with an older GPU (yes, the board has a VIA chipset, hence the AGP/PCIe combo), as the AGP was thankfully spared from what I assumed to be power delivery problems.
That is why you must NEVER go too cheap & and too low quality with your brand-new PC components, or electronics in general, especially for long-term usage.
Some are concerned about FPS, it’s the be all do all to them and their getting 400fps on a 75hz monitor 😂
Upgrades are a vicious cycle pushed mainly by corporate greed and affiliate links. Be happy with what you've built and max out its potential before you upgrade, you'll save money and time
I actually have a plan to re-purpose “E-Waste” more specifically “sold for parts” or “does not work” rather than them going to landfill, I want to start making art pieces out of them :)
🙂 many ewaste video cards are still usable for low spec video games, the problem is nobody really talks about the game or the video cards, ignorance is causing Ewaste, most consumers just dont know
@@MrSamadolfo I was thinking more about the ones that were labelled as parts only due to dead cores/faulty units that can’t be fixed lol but I completely get what you mean, if you’re just running something with low graphics requirements or e-sports titles, you don’t need the best card
Laughs in old xeons from 2012 and an RX 590...
laughs in i3 1011u
I read an article recently that suggested that Microsoft is working on a project to help optimize CPU utilization in gaming, meaning your old Xeons will likely get a new lease on life for gaming soon. You'll actually be able to compensate somewhat for lower clock speeds and IPC by better utilizing more threads.
@@Lurch-Bot Highly doubt that. This coming from the same company that said Windows 10 will be the last Windows, then they suddenly spring up a new one with way higher system requirements. 🤔🤔
Being a high tier part enthusiast... What I come to find out, talking to fellow PC gamers, is that they know nothing about PC hardware or settings. They have no idea what the graphics settings do in their games, they don't notice most stability problems with their builds because they don't know any different. In other words they can make decent toast, but don't understand how the toaster works.
Because somewhere along the line users were duped into this idea that spending more money makes you a true enthusiast rather than knowing what you're actually doing with your hardware in general. So now people who spent way too much money on shit they never needed think they have the right to shit on someone who makes better use of their money/time/hardware buying exactly what they need and getting the most out of it. I can't believe it's 2024 and people still think you get what you pay for. Spoiler alert: You don't.
There is also art in taking old, destined for the scrap heap/land fill hardware, that probably ran spreadsheets for 10 years and getting it to do something it was never actually designed to do. But since I was building computers in the 90s when there was little to no difference between an office PC and a gaming PC in terms of hardware or aesthetics, it's not a new concept to me. Only marketing has gone into excessive overdrive on computers these days...
😏 facts, lets be honest that way too many pc gamers are really Low IQ 😅
Its like people who are buying performance cars and doing crazy stunts despite not having the knowledge or skills and getting into accidents etc.
Alot of people generally follow trends and many want to be part of that "cool" crowd and especially nowadays with social media,marketing that constantly shove it into your face that you need to have that this and that to be part of said "crowd" etc.
@@leerobinson8709 I still like to disguise my PC as an old business machine, no RGB or stickers, all the power is under the hood and what matters is that i know it's there. I feel less likely to have it stolen too but who knows. Maybe.
Very good comments!! Perfectly right, be happy what you have and not more than you need..
I have been using an old 1155 mb, 16gb ddr3, Xeon E3-1240v2 (3770 twin), rx 580 and just sata ssds for many years now, was enought for me!
Recently "upgraded" to am4, Ryzen 3600, 32bg ddr4, rx 6600 and nvme.. Sure that is much faster! Thats all I need today and a few years ahead..
Dont listen to peaple on the internet that think they know! Be an individall.. Noone "needs" a 4090.. Dream on!
Love me an old Xeon. Still have a competent ivy bridge E3 with an rx580 running games upstairs!
no one needs to have fun, desires and affordability are different for everyone, some people want to play competitive games at still competitive latency but with better visuals. no need to only use your frame of reference as the only one
😒👍 RESIST!
I remembered when rtx 20 series and gtx 16 series came out. I dreamt about getting a 2070 or 2080 to rid of my gtx 970 in my first “gaming” pc (with a 4th gen i7, all of which I saved up from Christmas and birthday money). I was still like 15 or 16 at the time and didn’t get a job until I was 18. I’m 22 this year and currently have a Zotac 3080, 3070 FE, and 2070 Super FE respectively. I feel that FOMO, as another comment mentioned, is a big factor when we decide what parts we wanna get or upgrade to and newer generations of people seem to take things for granted. That being said, I’m so grateful to be able to have nice hardware today so it’s laughable when someone calls older hardware “e-waste” since a good amount of hardware is still useable today as well. They may not be up to the same standards today, but older hardware is something I’ve always admired now.
🙂 funny u mention that, my first gaming pc was on a simple Lenovo Haswell Motherboard with an i3-4160, recently only because of Nostalgia i bought a Asus Z97 board, Devils Canyon 4790K, and a Red Devil 5700 XT 8GB just for that nostalgia itch, fortunately everything boots up and runs 😏👍🔥😈😈🔥
@@MrSamadolfo solid build! My first “gaming” pc was the classic Dell optiplex with an i7-4770 and GTX 645. Few months in the mobo was moved into a free NZXT case I got with an EVGA 600w psu and MSI gtx 970. Was my dream build at the time too 😅
@@azuretheharmony 😊 Nice
I've always loved old hardware, and I always will. I currently rock a 3080 as well. Truth be known, it's probably a bit over the top for my needs lol
@@ProYamYamPC 😅 same here, i guess im not alone
I'm more interested in getting the most out older hardware than buying the biggest and best. Good Vid thank you.
I'm rocking a xeon e5 1660v3($20) OCed to 4.3ghz, 1.285v on a machinist x99 mr9a pro from aliexpress. I have it paired up with an rx 570 (upgrading soon to a rx 6750 xt) and so far it's been running everything I throw at it with zero issues. These cpus combined with quad channel ram and a considerable overclock can match or sometimes beat ryzen 3rd/5th gen in gaming.
Now most people are turned off from xeons on the x99 platform, from the high power draw to the low single core speed and outdated memory controllers, leading to common gpu bottlenecks. Especially with v4 xeons, as they cannot be overclocked or turbo unlocked at all.
However there are exceptions:
1650/60/80 v3 xeons are unlocked and can be overclocked to increase performance and circumvent this problem
26xx v3 cpus cannot be overclocked, but you can do a turbo unlock, meaning the single core turbo can be ran on every core (on xeons such as the 2697v3 or 2699v3, The high 18 core count at 3.7ghz with a generous 40-45mb of l3 cache make it a competitor to ryzen 3rd Gen and even 5th Gen in gaming and even beating it in work tasks)
Keep in mind these cpus don't even go for more than 50 dollars.
Now just because the cpus are cheap doesn't mean you'll be as lucky with the motherboards, trusted motherboard brands like msi or asus are more expensive and harder to come across used. Chinese motherboards are always there as an option and for cheap(I picked one up) and although some of them are fairly good quality, the bioses leave alot to be desired. If you are in the US, shipping can be long and potentially expensive from China, which is something to keep in mind.
If you have questions with x99, there is a youtuber by the name of miyconst and he has answers
I recently upgraded the memory on my second gaming PC (i7 4790k + 1070ti) to 2200 from 1600; The Cinebench score is now 1% better.
RAM speed is one of the most overrated specs ever. Even on DDR5. I just get the sweet spot and call it a day
The people telling whats best to buy, doesnt even own a pc yet or the money but telling people what to buy,Watchout for fake gurus dear,who knows.
😒 facts, ignore all these beta simp wannabees 🐝🐝🐝🐝
I like your stance on "game at what you can game at, and don't let the gamer bois tell you it is somehow bad". I play only a single MMO game, and an ARC A750 runs the game with max settings on my 1080p gaming TV with good framerates. My lack of a 4090 does not keep me up at night! :)
Same here bro, I used to game on an A750 (now in my editing PC), and I was perfectly happy with it. I don't need a 4090 in the slightest🤣
daily drive radeon 6950xt and have many others in the past years zero issues many inexperienced users mistake wimdows issues or game issues for amd driver issue
At some point I'm going to own a 6950xt simply because I still have both Radeon HD 6950s from 12+ years ago. One in a box and one in my mom's win 7 Mahjongg machine in her studio lol
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN awesome that would be cool
😏👍 runs just fine with amernimezone drivers
I have a 4090 & 5800x3d on my living room pc and large screen tv. A couple of months ago, I turned the spare room into a gaming den, no one "bothers me" in there. I play most of my games (which are usually older games) on a ryzen 3600 and 2070. The 2070 is a great little card, it often plays older games at 4k.
A friend of mine mentioned that he was retiring an old workstation graphics card from a work computer, and it was basically just going to get sent to a recycling centre.
I told him I could sell it for him, but he ended up giving it to me instead. I thought it was an original GTX Titan, but it was actually a GTX Titan X Pascal, which is basically a 12GB version of a GTX 1080 ti! I can't believe they were about to basically just recycle it! I can understand why they thought a graphics card released over 7 1/2 years ago wasn't worth much of anything, but it will run even the most demanding games reasonably well, and most games will still work fine in 1440p, sometimes without even needing FSR.
Of course, there's a good chance that someone else would have recognized what it was and rescued it if I hadn't... But not necessarily!
Brilliant find mate, hold onto that one! I have the 1080 Ti and I've covered it a lot here on the channel. So I can imagine the TITAN Xp is a slither faster. Still, both are viable GPUs in 2024!
BTW updated vbios and driver on arc a750 and this thing kicks serious butt!!
Im pretty satisfied with a 2017 rig i bought last year even though i have some random issues and people tell me to upgrade. Ryzen 7 1700x 32G ddr4 ram 1tb ssd and a big evga 1060 6g
Since you have an am4 system there's a lot of room to upgrade eventually for not that much money. Even a used ryzen 3600 or 3700 should be a good performance increase. Add on a radeon 6600 to that and you can play pretty much any modern game at 60 fps 1080p.
run memtest86 and see if it passes, if ok update the bios, then run cinebench, then run heaven, then get back to me
The motherboard is supposed to support up to the ryzen 5000 series cpus
You know not to long ago 30 fps was the norm and no one complained about it, its playable it still is
I have the A770-16 LE.
It is serving me very well...even in VR.
I absolutely love the smoothness.
Love to see people rocking Intel Arc GPUs! They're awesome
I've been running various AMD and Nvidia GPUs for a decade, and I've never had a single driver issue with any of them. E-waste? I have six custom PC builds available for use ATM, the least powerful being a 3600X / 5700XT I use as an HTPC. Both used to be in my main gaming PC. On top of that, I keep an R9-290, an RX-580, and a 980Ti on hand as ready spares.
😏👍 your da man
This kind of stuff makes me laugh. Until January I was using a Dell T3600 with a Sandy Bridge X79 based Xeon 64GBs of DDR3 with an RX 570 8GB.
Only upgraded when I had random stability issues and it being proprietary made troubleshooting harder.
Replaced it with a Ryzen 5 1600AF I got for a trade with an RX 5600XT and 32GBs of DDR4.
So far it is doing everything I need from productivity to gaming.
If it works for you mate, that's excellent! It's great to hear you're having a great time with budget hardware!
Everyone played PS1 and 2, N64, Dreamcast etc no problem. Now they NEED 60-120-144 FPS. People just get spoiled so fu**ng easily. I could play almost any game on ultra 60+FPS or even more but just prefer to lock my FPS to 60 or even 30 on single player titles. Most of the time my GPU is at 30-40% so it runs cool and stable. Having your fps all over the place makes no sense. I have a Switch, I play COD mobile. Why would I need 60 or more FPS? Crazy times we're living in.
I've gone from a 6900XT to 7900XTX and mostly (outside of the OpenGL driver patch) crashes were of my own fault messing with undervolting and VRAM oc. There does exist a media encoder hardware bug on RDNA3 where AV1 at 1080p record in 1920x1088 in Relive and 1082 in OBS. Sucks but yeah.
Just downgrade your monitors to something from ~2010s when panels came with "hardware motion blur" embedded at you'll be amazed how 50~60fps looks smooth compared to modern fast refresh rate panels. If you already have one, don't change it. You're welcome.
fully agree; i'd like to also add the fun factor of getting to mess around with high end hardware that you couldn't get ahold of in years past but is now accessible - for people that are enthusiasts, it's fun to run old benchmarks or really test that stuff out. i might have mentioned before, but if someone is just going for bigger numbers (scores, fps, 3dmarks, et c) then that sort of takes a lot of the fun from the computer hobby - at that point it's a money game. getting more limited hardware to stretch a budget for the most performance for the money spent also pushes someone's computer skills in optimizing and being choosy on parts, software, versions, et c.
Yeah, that's true. Getting the most performance out of say a $600 build requires a lot more creativity and understanding than just being able to throw $2,000+ at a build to get premium hardware.
😊 facts, im just like you, someone says the genre is called 'Tinkerer'
@@MrSamadolfo lol i like that perspective. plus you can get some really oddball combinations to see how far (example i7-920 with 1080 Ti) can go before a bottleneck sets in which is an interesting exercise in itself.
@@chazbotic 😊 funny u mention that, did some testing on my Core2Quad and i7-870, for video cards right now the performance tapers off around an RTX 3060ish, the RTX 3050 is cheaper and good enough but surprisingly in some situations a 3060 does still make a difference and you will get a bump in performance in some situations, i haven't seen anybody do a video on stuff like that 🤔 i guees nobody really care tho
Im happy with my 4th gen h81-p32l motherboard thats running an i7 4790 dont have a graphics card because of my financial situation if i get a graphics card i'll be happy about it even if i dont id still be happy you dont always get what you want in life but that makes you appreciate what you have
🙂 i don't know where you live but you can buy an oem radeon video card for only $15 to $25 and with that card you can play low spec video games
For me as long as I can play 1080p and at least 30 - 60fps in any graphics settings I'm fine with it... I got i5-6500, 16gb DDR4 Ram, RX580 2048sp GPU and z270 motherboard... Mostly I play for now is Monster Hunter World... I am happy with the game performance... I can get at least 50fps - 60fps in mid and high settings... I agree that as long as you are happy with the current specs of your PC why change it??? Just because we have new generation of pc components does not mean we need to upgrade that fast... If we are satisfy with the current performance I don't see any reason as well to upgrade unless it was broken...
I fully agree with you mate! That's all PC gaming is about, the entertainment! Great to hear you're having a great time with budget parts
@@ProYamYamPC yes I just change my processor from i5-6500 to i7-6700... Well no plans still of changing my current generation of pc... As long as I can still play games like monster hunter world and shadow of the tomb raider, I'm satisfy...
if someone tries telling you that AMD has bad drivers just know that the person that is saying that is stuck in 2008. As much as I have nostalgia for the mid and late 00's of my childhood, just realize that in that moment, the person you are talking to, is both literally, and figuratively out of touch.
I wouldn’t say 2008, more like 2018-2019… this whole is “myth” was actually true until very recently.
@@JosueHernandez-nu5cp out of touch confirmed. Adrenaline software is and has been great. You're likely conflating bad hardware launching of Vega 56 and 64 in 2017. Unfortunately this isn't subjective in nature, as the proof of everything is a few searches away.
@@Personalinfo404 ok cmon dude, do you not remember the rx 5700 xt and rx 5600 xt?
@@JosueHernandez-nu5cp youre not going to hoodwink and finesse your way into a situation that isnt factual in nature. Ive been Building Pcs and in the hardware space since socket 775, youre not fleecing me.
@@Personalinfo404 believe want you want, just know… it’s only a few searches away.
Yeah! More options!
Ryzen 7700 and 6800, but I still cap it at 60FPS lol
I have the 6800 with a 12600k and I cap also it cleans up frame time and kills stutter in all games
i cap everything at 60 too, to lower the watts on the watt meter, at 60 the box is pulling 350 watts
An excellent perspective.
@4:27 pretty sure intel have made a dedicated gpu before arc (i740 'Auburn' 1998 according to a quick search)
I'm running a 7800XT right now and runs great. Have had a few issues with individual drivers as you'd have with Nvidia or Intel but for gaming and recording videos its been really good.
I've been thinking about streaming for a while though so I might return to the green team if I want to do that in future.
You are wrong old hardware can support nvme with a nvme addon card for pci-e x16 slot.
Just avoid cards that support more then one nvme per card or you will have issues with older hardware.
I just upgraded my rig from a i3-2100 to a Xeon e3 1230v2 for 18 bucks! and for the gpu i got a mining variant of the asus rx470 4gb for just 30 usd and i have never been happier with the performance i got
It's a great graphic card for the price
Awesome deals there mate! That's a great PC you got there too!
Thanks for this !
You're absolutely welcome!
The ONLY reason I went with Nvidia is because AMD don't have the asthetic options that matched my computer.
How is an rtx 2070 ewaste when I'm still using a gtx 1079 and was was using a gtx 750 ti a few years back
I wanna ask, are you from the Black Country? From the accent and your channel name
Indeed I am🤣
My motile laptop had the amd drivers corrupt at least once a month.
although I don't blame that entirely on AMD it's not hard to see why that could get them a bad rep.
I've had more Nvidia drivers corrupt than AMD ones. I guess it's down to luck of the draw (bad luck in this case), and external factors
It wasn't too long ago that AMD still had the green screen crash issue. I've experienced it many times across multiple microarchitectures. Drivers seem fine on 6000 series. IDK about 7000 series. It has been a year or so since I last gamed on a 5700 XT and I didn't have any issues then. But a couple years prior, yeah.
Turing still working fine in 2024. For that matter, aside from AW2, the 1080 still delivers solid performance. A Haswell i7 and a 1080 is a solid budget rig even in 2024. I sold one recently.
Nobody can say when you are going to need to upgrade your current gaming PC. This all depends on what happens with game development over the next few years and what you personally are going to play. I don't envision buying many new releases in the foreseeable future because they keep releasing duds left and right. I also have games in my library that I've never played.
I just downgraded my gaming PC, going from a 3060 12GB to a 2060 6GB. I'm playing Fallout 4 mostly right now. I can upgrade the VRAM to 12GB if I want, to keep up with ever increasing VRAM requirements but the rasterization performance is fine for the time being, even at 1440p. I don't see those requirements dramatically rising over the next 2-3 years but that's just an educated guess. Then there is resolution scaling so I can always drop the render resolution to 1080p and upscale. But I'd rather play at 1440p low than 1080p high, generally speaking. The 2060 has the performance to run Cyberpunk at 1440p low and top out at 90-100fps.
I'm likely going to sell the 3060 in a build. Used 3060 12GB GPUs are selling for upwards of $250 on the used market. It is a solid 1440p GPU. But there are idiots talking out their butt who say it is obsolete. But if you actually know anything, the 3060 12GB is probably going to outlast the 4060 as far as becoming obsolete for playing new releases, simply because the 4060 really isn't a huge performance uplift and that extra 4GB VRAM is what will keep the 3060 in the game longer.
I tested a $200 Power Color RX6600 recently and it absolutely exceeded all expectations. It met the average for the 6650XT right out of the box. Was just a hair behind the average for the 3060. It preformed more than good enough at 1440p.
I started PC gaming in the early '90s. I first played DOOM at about 18fps. I like to get 90fps if I can but 60 is more than good enough. I started playing Cyberpunk on an R9 380 and a sub- 60fps experience and it was totally playable at 40-50fps. I think people who are forking over wads of cash for a 4090 and gaming at 4k are just ridiculous. And when they go to 8k in a couple of years, it will be ridiculous cubed. It is the same with 300+ fps monitors. Beyond a certain point, you're just imagining the improvement because you are getting into territory where human vision just isn't good enough to perceive a difference. I have unusually good visual acuity and the difference between 2k and 4k just isn't worth what it costs right now.
People need to check the Steam Survey because 4k is still very much a niche product for gaming and the majority are still at 1080p. I tried 4k for a week back when I had a 3080, decided it wasn't worth it, and settled on 1440p. The improvement going from 1080p to 1440p is far more noticeable than the improvement going from 1440p to 4k. And going from 4k to 8k will be verging on imperceptible for those with the best vision. It will actually be imperceptible to a lot of humans.
I've done the early adopter thing before. It just isn't worth it. I have other hobbies besides PCs and gaming.
"2070S is E waste "
me playing every game at 1440p high or ultra at atleast 60 fps with a 60s *" lol lmao even"
My current PC specs
(i5 6500
16GB 2133hz ddr4
RTX 3050 6gb)
Not the greatest but gets the job done at medium/high settings with 60+ fps on most games I play.
Games like CS2 I easily get 200+ fps low/high
Apex Legends 120+ medium/high
I’ve been using AMD cards since they were called ATI and have honestly have less problems than so the Nvidia. Although I haven’t had issues with Nvidia for years. Maybe because I got my first graphics card when Nvidia was at their lowest point with the FX series and AMD/ATI had their great 9000 series but I’ve never seen Nvidia as some kind of master of the graphics world like people do these days.
I've used cards from both companies. More Nvidia than AMD. But, in the last few years, I've tested the waters when it comes to Radeon and they are pretty good cards. HD7850, RX570, RX5700XT and all 3 have been solid cards. Drivers seem ok for the time being. no issues so far. what i do is use DDU to fully delete old driver and then freshly install new driver (and click the clean install box) when they are available.
The RX5700XT is currently the daily driver in my gaming PC with is paired up with a R7 5700X. Paid only 90 dollars for the card last summer. I'll probably use it till I find another good deal on a Radeon card. as to with one, idk...
I do agree with you but I wouldn't pair a 4470 with a 2060S, my old Z70 4470 build used to bottleneck my 1060 let alone GPU like a 2060S which is 70% stronger. Anything from a Zen+ part should work better, I use my 2060S with an R5 5500 which seems to work quite well, originally it was paired with an R7 1700 but I wouldn't honestly recommend a Zen part today for gaming.
I need to know when AMD had bad drivers.
I didn't have bad drivers any time from 2011 through now.
No AMD specific issues. 8 years ago in 2016, it also seemed the same way as it is now to me.
A lot of people claiming the drivers are bad with no evidence.
I heard AMD drivers were only bad d/t Nvidia making the registry changes and without DDU youd get errors. Like if you started with a AMD card 8 years ago or more it would have been fine but if you tried to change and you didn't know about DDU then you were screwed. Any merit to this?
DDU should be a standart procedure at this point. It's a trusted program, that will make sure to leave no traces of previous drivers. Take it from me, who has been using that program for 5 years decently often.
DDU is good even just for updating drivers. But if you're switching from Nvidia to AMD or vice versa, it's an absolute necessity. I use DDU every time I update my Nvidia drivers, and I've never had any issues.
people who perpetuate the AMD bad myth are sad people who have nothing better to do because if they had things to do they wouldn't be vehemently meatriding Nvidia like that
Awesome video 😊
I think one of the reasons why people have this misconception about the stability of AMD drivers is probably due to Windows. It's known to sometimes cause issues itself, but a lot of people jump into the conclusion that it has to be the manufacturer of the card not doing a good enough of a job developing drivers. I have experienced this myself, had a 6700 XT mysteriously uninstall drivers by itself or cause crashes. Even after rolling back to older versions, which never had issues, the crashing persisted. That is, until i updated Windows. The issues were gone from then on. Yes, sometimes you will have to tinker with DDU and reinstall the drivers, but that is a rare occasion and not something that people should blame AMD for necessarily. I have owned and extensively used Radeon cards for about 5 years and i can say that with each card the stability improvement was massive.
I don't care if it's AMD's fault or Window's fault that AMD's drivers are shit. What matters is that AMD's drivers are shit and I'll just buy Nvidia.
That'd be a windows update installing a driver.
Not sure how it happens because it hasn't happened to me in the past 14 years but yeah, it's a windows driver issue.
"Common sense going the way of the Dodo" lol, well said and very true especially here in the states smh. Like another commenter said, one mans E-waste is another mans blessing.
I rock with a 7800xt and it's been a great experience I run everything 1440 p max settings and I would run 4k if I had a 4 k monitor no problem
The 7800 XT is an awesome card, definetly one of the best releases from this generation
Older hardware isn't actually obsolete until it's no longer capable of doing what you, the user, needs it to do. And this doesn't just apply to something like older i7. I've been using my second channel here, the one I am posting this comment with, for a dedicated project to show the FX-8350 still has some gaming life in it in 2024, and spoiler, it still does. Will you be running Jedi Survivor or Alan Wake 2, no (the latter due to lack of AVX2). But there are hundreds of titles, both older and newer, that still run fine on it, like Lies of P, Returnal, Uncharted, GTA V, Red Dead Redemption 2, Sniper Elite 5, Grid, Resident Evil remakes, etc. If you are sitting on an older FX 8320/8350/8370 build, or something like an older 4c/8t i7 setup, and want to squeeze another year or two out of it while you save up to do something better down the road, it's still possible on these 12 year old processors. Paired with about any GPU in the $80-150 range will allow you to keep doing some budget 1080P/1440P gaming.
yeah if that's true my hardware is in a graveyard right now
p106-100 guy here! xD
i tested 3 amd cards an hd 6450 an hd 4850 and an r7 350 and the drivers are the most reliable i've ever seen cause ive ran into one issue in 6 years of experience with amd but with nvidia i ran with 2 issues with drivers this shows that amd is much better than nvidia by my experience
I was all too ready to jump on the driver bandwagon against amd, but then nvidia got expensive and I took the dive to AMD. I've actually had less trouble with the amd card than with my old 1060
I run a 7600XT and a 7600 CPU in my new gaming rig, works really well and is air cooled, given the nonsense with over driving Intel chips and ruining them I'm glad I went with AMD, I don't agree with Nvidia price gouging with their products.
What I have heard often lately is that AMD drivers add less overhead than Nvidia drivers.
It's a fact
Yes, they're better now.
The one I hate is that dramless nvmes are bad thst onlt applies to satas nvmes can have hmb whichcis all you need for gaming tbh
IVe just bought a ryzen with a 2060 fairly cheap, Only bought it because it was cheap, my old ivybridge xeon dell with a 1060 still ran most things quite well, friends got a 8700k and a 1080ti and has no problems with anything on his 1080p tv.
X: No one calls it that...
Yep, everyone I know still calls it Twitter
>tis is because AMD drivers are totaly fine in 2024
>my RX5700 who randomly show me GSOD over 3 years when you switching from memory intensive load into idle: 🗿🗿🗿
And real joke is AMD well know about this but does not fix that issue for whole 3 generations of they graphic cards
Thank you so much
You're absolutely welcome!
9900k and 2080 still going strong. More demanding games I limit to 60fps on my 3440x1440 @144 msi monitor but I have no complaints. 13 year old me playing 480p halo ce at maaaybe 30 fps on a super blurry rear projection dlp TV would shit a fucking chicken at how amazing games look today.
That said, I've always got an eye out for a deal. If someone is selling something better than what I've already got, for significantly less than market value, it's fiscally irresponsible to not buy it. I could hold onto this 9900k for 10 years and still make money when I sell it for the price I paid. 2080 has depreciated below what I paid but it wouldn't be a bad hit and I've owned it for almost 5 years.
You got my sub
The whole RTX 2070 is BS when you consider UFD Tech made a video on using the GTX 750Ti snd Gamers Nexus did a video on the 1080. They still can run games fine. Modern games.
Amd Radeon vii failed spectacularly had to use modded drivers instead then came Alan Wake 2 I now own an ARC A770 Night and day. Glad I traded just to play Alan Wake 2
screw Alan wake the laggy game
ATI drivers were garbage for so long. That's how I became an Nvidia fanboy. At least until the current generation of graphics cards. Now I refuse to upgrade at all. This whole generation is trash.
If you're an older gamer you'll remember when the recommendation for users with lower-end hardware was: 'Don't turn on anti-aliasing. Your frame rate will lower too much for it to be worth it. Just put up with the jagged edges.' Then later it was shadows.... 'Don't turn on extra shadows, your frame rate will lower too much.'
Seems like ray-tracing is the new anti-aliasing/shadows, except IMO antil-aliasing and quality shadows made a much bigger difference back in the day that RT does today.
Anti-aliasing uses GPU power to smooth those jagged lines and edges.
The same things for shadows.
If you want a higher frame rate, disabling both will increase it.
RT uses much much more gpu power than both of those ever did.
They aren't myths, instead of commenting things you've just made up you can just go and test it for yourself.
@@IVIRnathanreilly Did you even read his comment before replying? "They aren't myths" he claims no such thing.
Anything which is not related to geometry is extra tax on the graphics card. Anti Aliasing, Bloom. Ambient Occlusion, Depth of View, Motion Blur, Tessellation, God Rays, Ray Tracing, etc.
amd drivers do still crash i have the 6950xt, just takes a bit longer for them to fix driver issues than nvidia. amd does overclock way better with modern gpus tho. arc has driver issues and playing new releases with them is just not enjoyable. also when people say old hardware is ewaste they are talking about the rx 470 or the gtx 970. upgrading is for people who want to upgrade their performance. upgrading is also for playing current titles which do take more vram, whether that be from poor optimization or designed for consoles which have 16gb. upgrading is to maintain a quality experience that is the same relative to the market.
GTX is dead, Nvidia is doing end of life for the line, just like AMD did for everything before the 5000 series graphics, by no longer releasing drivers for them.
Id like an all intel build i like amd too but i prefer intel
🙂 the problem is multifold, its like the any Sphere or Space where its dominated by simps and betas and noobs and trolls, and they dont know what the hell they are talking about, or they loud commenters are the stuckup types, or they are kids, or the inmature, you see the samething with Bicycles or Motorcycles or Cars or Trucks, theres an old boomer saying that I think still rings true: It's not about your Ride, but that your Ride 👊😎🛵
Using an rx580 played vrchat with it, if it crashes while im in vr, then it straight up uninstalls my graphics drivers.
4th gen Intel CPUs are the minimum to play with "outdated" hardware. Anything below that you'll have more problem playing games, especially new ones.
With GPU's, Nvidia GPUs with the Maxwell architecture are still getting driver support every now and then, and AMD's GCN 2 architecture have DX12 support despite their lack of dead driver support. This makes them the minimum for decent gaming.
e myth from US guys who are always jealous at people who has high end components 🤣🤣🤣
😒 what if ur just a preschool kid or a boomer that just wants to play Quake 3 Live or Quake Champions or Left 4 Dead 2 or Roblox? they dont have a voice on utube, theres a ton of games that you can play with a 20 dollar video card or even Integrated Graphics, stop being a little b complaining about Muh Frames, grow up and grow a pair 😅 shiiiii
Radeon drivers are still shit. Don't fall for it. It's an utter waste of time to work with.
Sonic pfp detected, opinion rejected. Go do your math homework kid and dont try to argue about shit you don't know anything about.
You have no idea what you're talking about
🟩🟩🟩AMD is E-Waste 😂😂😂 🟩🟩🟩