A Beginner's Guide To ArtFight

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @sunfinch.
    @sunfinch. 5 месяцев назад +289

    "even if you're making refs while watching this video" how did you know omg

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +54

      Because I am one of you 👁️👁️

    • @sillyoctohuman
      @sillyoctohuman 5 месяцев назад +12

      Same my first year in artfight and my first attempt at a proper reference sheet!

    • @BluetheCoyote1
      @BluetheCoyote1 5 месяцев назад +2

      Me watching this like a day before artfight while making a ref: 👁👁

  • @aster_ade
    @aster_ade 5 месяцев назад +485

    Not me watching this even though this year will be my 4th year of Artfight.

    • @skellaberry
      @skellaberry 5 месяцев назад +5

      same lol!! on my 6th tho : )

    • @nikoozen6049
      @nikoozen6049 5 месяцев назад +4

      This is my 4th year but my first year to actually join😭😭 ive been scared every year lol

    • @Rashicora
      @Rashicora 5 месяцев назад +2

      5th year but I’m a silly goober so I’ll take it

    • @lunargarden5715
      @lunargarden5715 5 месяцев назад +6

      This is my third year (。・ω・。)

    • @SweetieDreamz
      @SweetieDreamz 5 месяцев назад +1

      Same! 4th year

  • @URnightmares162
    @URnightmares162 5 месяцев назад +279

    This is the 2nd video that is "the beginner's guid to artfight" which is making me want to join. After all, im slowly showing my art online and wish to show more.

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +36

      You should absolutely join!!! ArtFight would be happy to have you! Artists of all levels are welcome 🫶

    • @xitsmeblue
      @xitsmeblue 5 месяцев назад +4

      If you join, link ur account, I'll take a look :3

  • @Taffy_window
    @Taffy_window 5 месяцев назад +137

    2:43
    Reminder! You can make the thumbnail as a main image, and then click Select thumbnail image then it wont be pixelated ^^

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +22

      Omg I totally forgot about that! I’ve done it before but honestly I never minded the pixilation too much so I never did it but yes !!

    • @Bakonandeggs1208
      @Bakonandeggs1208 5 месяцев назад +5

      omg thank you so much i had no idea how people got their thumbnails so clean!

  • @doublame
    @doublame 5 месяцев назад +70

    I'm glad you said it was good etiquette to comment on defenses thanking people for the art. Not only is it just the kind thing to do but let me tell you from personal experience, making art that you are super proud of for someone and waiting for that comment even just acknowledging your work and it never happening is such a depressing experience. It leaves the person who made the art for you feeling like either you didn't see it, don't like the art, or just plain don't care enough about your work to even say anything.
    PLEASE comment on defenses telling them you appreciate the time and the work, it means the world to the person who took the time to make something for you.

  • @MuZamieTwo
    @MuZamieTwo 5 месяцев назад +51

    I've never participated in art fight, but this is always something I wanted to do

  • @inkyowo5501
    @inkyowo5501 5 месяцев назад +34

    DO NOT PERCEIVE ME, I PROMISE IM GETTING THOSE CHARACTER SHEETS DONE.....

  • @HamtaroWarriors
    @HamtaroWarriors 5 месяцев назад +13

    For beginners: don’t burn yourself out by thinking you need to draw everything and anything. Give yourself a limit of art per day or a goal of how many pieces you believe you could get done realistically by months end with your given schedule. You will get burnout if you try to push yourself.
    Also you’re only most likely going to get 1 out of every 5 attacks revenged if you’re lucky as most people tend to stick to fandoms they know and unfortunately many people tend to only attack their friends, people in the artfight discord, or internet celebrity artists (the last one is literally just a way for said internet celeb artists to get fanart all the while they only ever attack their friends). Don’t be afraid to check out fandoms you’ve briefly been in or even just finding random characters to draw. There’s people who’ve only gotten one or two pieces or none at all, a piece of a character of theirs could really brighten their day.

  • @meganupham5380
    @meganupham5380 5 месяцев назад +6

    Ive seen so many videos talking about the bad sides of Artfight and this was such a breath of fresh air. As a first year fighter this makes me feel way more confident that everything will be ok

  • @Baybatss
    @Baybatss 5 месяцев назад +12

    I’ve never done art fight before but last artfight i wanted to do it and i didnt know how so thank you

  • @happyz_3
    @happyz_3 5 месяцев назад +64

    TYSMM, I’ve been wanting to join art fight for years but I always had this worrying feeling that I would be awful at it, now I feel more comfortable in my art and I think I’ll be able to do it this year!! Tysm for for the tutorial

  • @TheriiYuh
    @TheriiYuh 5 месяцев назад +9

    i am not confident in showing my art to others but i really want to do this someday

  • @Yuniik0
    @Yuniik0 5 месяцев назад +7

    This is going to be my second art fight! Hope you all have fun!

  • @CaffeinatedRoman
    @CaffeinatedRoman 5 месяцев назад +2

    Ran it down to the wire but just finished my page. Came back to this video 4 times, lol. Seriously, thanks so much for the help!

  • @leonardpaetel7698
    @leonardpaetel7698 5 месяцев назад +2

    This is so helpfull! My first yeah of art fight I was very scared to do something wrong or to act out of etiquette. Thanks for this. :)

  • @soleadojo
    @soleadojo 5 месяцев назад +43

    this is like super helpful!! this is my first year participating and im super nervous, but this has helped!!

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +9

      I'm so glad this helped!!! A lot of areas of the site can be super confusing without having a guide directly in front of you especially if it's your first year so I totally get it! Wishing you a great ArtFight!!! 🥳

    • @rosez64aj
      @rosez64aj 5 месяцев назад +1

      same for me lol

    • @RebeccaRyan-ss4ge
      @RebeccaRyan-ss4ge 5 месяцев назад

      Same lol

  • @Scrimblyscruuoo
    @Scrimblyscruuoo 5 месяцев назад +14

    2:25 I FEEL ATTACKED- (i was procrastinating while watching this..)

  • @icarus4302
    @icarus4302 5 месяцев назад +11

    God I absolutely love this, this is just what I needed, all the other artfight videos made me feel so out of my depth

    • @S4turnn_rings
      @S4turnn_rings 5 месяцев назад

      YEAHHH, im starting today! gl

  • @Staarzz
    @Staarzz 5 месяцев назад +9

    Last year was my first time joining the game, although I’d made my account in 2017. I got a little discouraged because I was only giving my best work but scarcely got even a comment on a piece, and I only got two defenses. One of them I speculated to be traced. After watching this video, I feel it might’ve been because I have it written on my profile that I don’t do revenge chains. I’ll try it out this year and last year’s experience was but a reason to try even harder!!!

  • @Pokiandi
    @Pokiandi 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you so much! This is my first year and i wanna try this!!

  • @AmyJ_ThaFurryWitch
    @AmyJ_ThaFurryWitch 5 месяцев назад +23

    This is a highly informative yet easy-to-digest video! Nicely done! Last year was my first time participating (let's go Werewolves) and I remember the nervous excitement all too well.
    My goal for this year is to avoid staying up late to finish attacks in high succession, since that was extremely unhealthy. Even if I only make five attacks sleep is more important.

  • @MoodleDaNoodle
    @MoodleDaNoodle 5 месяцев назад +2

    This will be my first year of art fight this is very useful 🗣️🗣️🗣️

  • @ryouskye
    @ryouskye 5 месяцев назад +13

    this seems so cool! I really just have like one or two characters to put up, but drawing the characters of others is so much more fun for me haha

  • @Dreamuchuu
    @Dreamuchuu 5 месяцев назад +7

    Ive been contemplating if i wanted to join in this year since i have a bad history of doing many art exchanges and secret santas online for years back in highschool and never once receiving anything in return but you've laid out this information really clearly which makes it seem way more approachable for a firsttimer like me so thank you 😊

  • @sketcherlays
    @sketcherlays 5 месяцев назад +4

    im joining art fight for the 1st time this year!!! very excited :D

  • @Swordstrike
    @Swordstrike 5 месяцев назад +3

    I'm so excited for ArtFight this year! I had so much fun last year and I hope I'll have even more fun this time. I mostly stuck to attacking my friends last ArtFight, but I've been looking around and bookmarking random people's characters to attack for this year!!
    Btw random people in this comment section, consider telling me your ArtFight usernames? 👀 mine is Artsy_Loafy!!! I'm still reaching out to find people to attack >:]

    • @user-burner
      @user-burner 5 месяцев назад +1

      I'll add you, mine is murrfightsart, I mostly do traditional art without color so don't expect anything amazing buy yea

    • @artandstuffs
      @artandstuffs 5 месяцев назад +1

      Mine is ArtsnStoriesnStuff (if i remember right)! It’s my first year :)

  • @theplague1959
    @theplague1959 5 месяцев назад +1

    Gonna be my first art fight very exited

  • @LewdicideMouse
    @LewdicideMouse 5 месяцев назад +2

    Never done this before. If my schedule aligns, ima do it!

  • @hannahl4108
    @hannahl4108 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you so much! This is my first year of art fight and I’m still learning a lot! Tysm!!

  • @Do_Re_Midi
    @Do_Re_Midi 5 месяцев назад +10

    Art fight sounds REALLY fun!! But I think I might try it next time cause I need to redesign so many of my characters lol 😅

  • @LoxtXDoll
    @LoxtXDoll 5 месяцев назад +1

    cant wait for my first one!

  • @Aut_t
    @Aut_t 5 месяцев назад +5

    This is my first artfight I’m very very nervous. So I hope I’m good enough :,)

  • @Kaysea_
    @Kaysea_ 5 месяцев назад +5

    Thank you! Ive never done art fight before and this will really help for if i do do art fight this year ❤

  • @madamebunbun3479
    @madamebunbun3479 3 месяца назад

    Watching this after completing my first ever ArtFight
    I highly recommend anyone to join in on the fun next year!

  • @Jimblemimble
    @Jimblemimble 5 месяцев назад +2

    found out about AF a few days ago and love the concept, been drawing a few references and cant wait for it to begin!

  • @indiecrowarts
    @indiecrowarts 5 месяцев назад +1

    This is my first art fight and your video made me even more excited to participate- thanks!!

  • @xLadyDushi
    @xLadyDushi 4 месяца назад +1

    This was so helpful!!! I am just joining for the first time. Thanks for this

  • @nosygamer7662
    @nosygamer7662 5 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for the tips I had already set up my accounts and character but this really helped. The long list of rules and explanations kind of was a huge struggle for me.😅

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +1

      So glad I could help!! :D

    • @nosygamer7662
      @nosygamer7662 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@papipizzajohn see ya on art fight 😉

  • @therainbowtea18
    @therainbowtea18 4 месяца назад +1

    I've always wanted to join it but am really scared I won't live up to all the amazing artists to pump out so much nice art ;-; Maybe next year lol

    • @pieoncake2966
      @pieoncake2966 4 месяца назад +1

      Omggg dw! You don’t have to be the perfect artist to join, I’m pretty late and not the best artist but I’m gonna try joining this year :))! Also if your Pfp if your art I think it’s really good, and if I can join, you can :D!! You can do whatever you want ofc but just wanted to say :]

    • @therainbowtea18
      @therainbowtea18 4 месяца назад +1

      @@pieoncake2966 Fair point! I might join next year then! (too busy for this year) Also yes that is my art! You saying that made me realize how out-of-date it is actually, so I updated it! Thank you!! :)

    • @pieoncake2966
      @pieoncake2966 4 месяца назад +1

      @@therainbowtea18 No worries ! :D! Your art is really cute! Have a nice day!

  • @lunaultimate
    @lunaultimate 5 месяцев назад +3

    I’ve never heard of artfight, And I’m not late? THIS IS AWNSOME!

  • @abominabread
    @abominabread 5 месяцев назад +1

    only discovered artfight like yesterday and i am speedrunning them reference sheets, believe me 😭

  • @o3ovan
    @o3ovan 5 месяцев назад +1

    very informative video!!! i rlly like the "old man voice" you did when making jokes, got a few chuckles out of me hehe

  • @dave-69
    @dave-69 5 месяцев назад +1

    this is my first year of artfight so watching these videos is pretty helpful

  • @foxinasweater2300
    @foxinasweater2300 5 месяцев назад +2

    Not even an artist but I came curious what people were talking about. I think you explained this really well and it seems like a really cool thing to do. I hope yu have a good year this year and good luck getting that achievment

  • @SushiStreams-iv1qo
    @SushiStreams-iv1qo 5 месяцев назад +5

    im planning to do the artfight thing this year, so thanks for this :D

  • @skellybro2290
    @skellybro2290 5 месяцев назад +1

    This is my first time ever hearing about Artfight and I am super into it! The major question I have though is how does the theme and teams fit in? Like, since this year is Seafoam and Stardust, how does that get incorporated into the competition and artwork?

    • @Antonia-y2h
      @Antonia-y2h 5 месяцев назад +1

      I'm new too but I think it doesn't really have anything to do with the art or anything, not sure tho ^^

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +1

      It doesn't need to have any affect on your art! the themes are just for fun!!

  • @beets_and_rice
    @beets_and_rice 5 месяцев назад +3

    thanks so much for this!! i was planning on joining artfight this year, so this was very helpful! :D

  • @dekushrublily
    @dekushrublily 5 месяцев назад +1

    ty for explaining how artfight works. i see it on tumblr every year and i never understood the hows or whys.

  • @justablooob
    @justablooob 5 месяцев назад +1

    omg great guide, i just discovered what artfight is and this is def really helpful!!! won't be participating bcs of the time this year, but now ik for next year!!

  • @Kebaabs
    @Kebaabs 5 месяцев назад +2

    this seems so cool this will be my first art fight!

  • @lyaarm3557
    @lyaarm3557 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you! I signed up last year and wimped out of actually taking part, I feel a bit more confident now I understand the terms a bit more :D

  • @Guidingsonar
    @Guidingsonar 5 месяцев назад +5

    Okay okay, I'll try to join this year...

  • @6B4tZy9
    @6B4tZy9 5 месяцев назад +2

    This is gonna be my first time doing art fight and very excited🙏

  • @fishyphobos
    @fishyphobos 5 месяцев назад +2

    THANK YOU. I tried to join last year but I did NOT understand it 🔥
    But genuinely tysm

  • @cheeserat5081
    @cheeserat5081 5 месяцев назад +2

    This was super helpful bc I just found out what art fights were today and it peaked my interest ^^ so thank you for explaining so well :D

  • @MeriyonIsBroke
    @MeriyonIsBroke 5 месяцев назад +3

    watching this cuz its my first time and panicking cuz this seems fun :sob:

  • @DiamondLoverMinecraf
    @DiamondLoverMinecraf 5 месяцев назад +1

    I'm wanting to grow my art skills and I have a couple friends participating in art fight and they've convinced me to join. So this is very helpful and I hope I can participate to the fullest!

  • @luxiferstar
    @luxiferstar 5 месяцев назад +1

    Its my first art fight this year and this was super helpful tysm!!

  • @cafewatanabe
    @cafewatanabe 5 месяцев назад +3

    tysm!! this helped me a lot!

  • @lemonshark968
    @lemonshark968 5 месяцев назад +1

    This really helped me understand artfight more and made me wanna join more😁😁 thank you brah

  • @solthedragoness
    @solthedragoness 3 месяца назад

    Welp, I missed Artfight this year but this video really helped me make up my mind to join next year. Thanks!

  • @dreamyland3515
    @dreamyland3515 5 месяцев назад +1

    Omg thank you sm, it's my first art fight since I've always been too scared to get involved 💗

  • @Spamkromite
    @Spamkromite 5 месяцев назад +2

    Sounds like a fun experience. Thank you for taking your time to explain this thoroughly. I feel itched to compete now 😁(even if my defenses are just an army of Addisons and other Darkners lol 😅)

  • @ReimPrimo
    @ReimPrimo 4 месяца назад +1

    I just found out about this today XD, I’ll enter next year maybe!

  • @sandrafunacc1
    @sandrafunacc1 5 месяцев назад +1

    THANK you

  • @StrawberrySerotonin
    @StrawberrySerotonin 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thinking about joining 🤔

  • @chimerapaws2747
    @chimerapaws2747 5 месяцев назад +1

    Art fight sounds so fun! I’ve never done before and was considering joining but I have a lot of other things I’m doing during the summer, and I wouldn’t be able to really draw much.

  • @lilymoon9659
    @lilymoon9659 5 месяцев назад +1

    This is my first art fight I heard about it in august last year (yeah fml) and wanted to join to improve! So thanks I really needed this

  • @Evelyn-p7o
    @Evelyn-p7o 5 месяцев назад

    This is my first art fight as I just became 14 thank you!

  • @hannahdeards9652
    @hannahdeards9652 5 месяцев назад +1

    This will be my 7 year! I'm not sure why I'm watching this video haha

  • @maroo3798
    @maroo3798 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the video, I finally decided to participate but I'm sooooo nervous lol

  • @sephiriza
    @sephiriza 5 месяцев назад +3

    me who has god knows how many ocs but almost no sheets and most never even drawn because I can't picture them clear enough in my head:

  • @ev07272
    @ev07272 5 месяцев назад +1

    This is my first time hearing about this it sound crazy

  • @JAYZ-47465
    @JAYZ-47465 5 месяцев назад

    I’m thinking of doing it next year like damn

  • @Litlleladybug22
    @Litlleladybug22 5 месяцев назад +1

    This is my first year of Artfight

  • @lutrathegreat
    @lutrathegreat 5 месяцев назад

    I’ve literally never seen art fight before!

  • @caillezalona2870
    @caillezalona2870 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! I was looking for a way to introduce a friend to Artfight, this is perfect :D Thank you

  • @Flame_6711
    @Flame_6711 5 месяцев назад +1

    My partner is on the same team as me. I never realized how many characters we make that are close friends or dating. I am currently working on a ref sheet for a character I've had for over a year and is drawn on my door.

  • @maripaws
    @maripaws 5 месяцев назад +1

    2:36 oh hey, I attacked bingo in 2022!

    • @maripaws
      @maripaws 5 месяцев назад +1

      lol it was a friendly fire but still small world we live in

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +1

      YESSSSSSS I IMMEDIATELY REMEMBERED YOUR USERNAME!!!!! THANK YOU AGAIN!!!! SMALL WORLD GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN!

  • @lemonshark968
    @lemonshark968 5 месяцев назад +1

    THANKK YOUUU‼️‼️‼️‼️😁😁😁😁

  • @niko_raiii
    @niko_raiii 5 месяцев назад +1

    I wanna participate in art fight soo bad but uni is super busy for me :( one day…. This is super helpful!!

  • @FurryBlossoms
    @FurryBlossoms 5 месяцев назад

    This is going to be my first year! Nervous and excited because I have a small idea about how it works and I don't want to mess up 😅

  • @antisocial_youtuber
    @antisocial_youtuber 4 месяца назад

    I might try art fight next year! I need to get better at art first-

  • @Cat_Inc
    @Cat_Inc 5 месяцев назад +1

    How does the teaming work do you just like join the team? 

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Cat_Inc I just posted a video that goes a little deeper into picking your team if you wanna check that out! But yeah pretty much!

  • @Let_Toons
    @Let_Toons 5 месяцев назад +1

    9:58 Does the theme of the teams for each year, impact the art itself at all?
    Since the characters are not made for the year, does the theming have to be incorporated somehow or the artist is free to do wathever and just chosses the one that strikes their fancy?

    • @Cactiivx
      @Cactiivx 5 месяцев назад +3

      Hi! This will be my third year doing artfight. From what I’ve seen it can be both. I’ve seen people make art based off of the theme or make art that doesn’t incorporate the theme. Either way works, incorporating is definitely fun and something I’m gonna try to aim for but if not it’s still appreciated.

  • @proplaystowin
    @proplaystowin 5 месяцев назад +1

    I want to learn about art fight but i feel awful because i know i wont do it because art block has cruel timing and i dont really draw characters in context and i dont like feeling like i have deadlines because its stressful and the starting date is past so i dont know if i can even join, but i feel awful because i see all my friends doing it and talking about it and looking like they are having fun and i feel like im missing out
    Update: i beat the life out of my artblock, so ha, i can do it

    • @Cyfrik
      @Cyfrik 5 месяцев назад +1

      Moood. I feel the same way.
      I'm going to make a legit attempt at getting ready in time for next year's event, but I don't have high hopes of actually succeeding.

  • @Snoop_Gremlin
    @Snoop_Gremlin 4 месяца назад +1

    I’ve made an account for artfight like few years back but never had ocs and I’ve been drawing my while life (I CANT MAKE CHOICES SOMEONE HELP LMFAO) but this year I’m doing it. I’m determined to even just do one drawing of some sort :,)

  • @lanzaguisantesdefuego_yt9427
    @lanzaguisantesdefuego_yt9427 5 месяцев назад +4

    Yoo' interesant!

  • @CoolerShrimp
    @CoolerShrimp 4 месяца назад

    Hey quick questions! Can I still join in a few days? And can those attacks actually include attacking said characters? Like, can my oc hit the other character with a bat as an attack or is that something different for everyone?

  • @ConfusedSoup
    @ConfusedSoup 5 месяцев назад +1

    💙💙💙💙💙💙

  • @alidaaaaa7160
    @alidaaaaa7160 5 месяцев назад +1

    Art fight time!!!
    how do you make a good profile? I know theres no universal way, but I find that I have no idea what to put on it

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад

      I usually like to theme my profile to my team- so stuff like profile picture, thumbnail borders, info templates, then I like to write a little about me in by bio, my goals for how many attacks I’m trying to get in, add some pretty symbols and emojis! Just to give it some pop!

  • @Nightshade_7278
    @Nightshade_7278 5 месяцев назад +3

    2:30 stop staring at me with them big ol eyes >:[

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +2

      finish your refs first, then we’ll talk 👁️👁️

  • @user-hq4xl6og9m
    @user-hq4xl6og9m 5 месяцев назад +1

    heyy sorry, this is my first year of artfight and I wanted to ask is it like ok if I’m not really good at digital or drawing in general??

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +1

      There are artists of all levels on ArtFight! You don’t need to be a specific level or have a specific skill set to participate!

  • @Delta02-JJS
    @Delta02-JJS 5 месяцев назад +1

    this is my first ever time participating in artfight cause my friend told me to participate the day before it started , i might be cooked

  • @Cutestdisaster3
    @Cutestdisaster3 5 месяцев назад +1

    First time I've heard of this I'll join for the first time next year qvq

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +1

      No time like the present! It starts next month so if you have the time you should totally try and join!

    • @Cutestdisaster3
      @Cutestdisaster3 5 месяцев назад +1

      @papipizzajohn aaaaa thank youu I'll give it a try this year then!!

  • @cptsantana18
    @cptsantana18 5 месяцев назад

    Nice!

  • @mategetsnosleep3612
    @mategetsnosleep3612 5 месяцев назад +2

    I’m sure everyone wants to see my crappy child art on my kindle fire with my finger.

  • @the_void_lord
    @the_void_lord 5 месяцев назад +1

    NO WAY, I'VE ALSO GOT THE 35 ACHIEVEMENT, AM AIMING FOR THE 75 THIS YEAR, AND AM GOING TO DO A HUGE REVENGE CHAIN WITH MY FRIEND THIS YEAR OMG
    TWINSIES

  • @Sweetcakegamer
    @Sweetcakegamer 5 месяцев назад +1

    im working on my art ref sheets rn promise :

  • @fr3-d1
    @fr3-d1 5 месяцев назад +2

    can you make a video on how to make the profile descriptions and permissions all fancy?? :D

    • @papipizzajohn
      @papipizzajohn  5 месяцев назад +1

      Absolutely!! My next video (currently in the works) is about preparing for the fight which dives a little more into it! But I’ll keep it in mind for my next videos beyond that too!