The rise and (inevitable) fall of the T'au Empire | Warhammer 40K Lore
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I have never really heard these stories before, but as soon as I heard about this special faster than light device which pierces reality the first thing I thought of was "you are going to need a gellar field for that"
The tau wouldn't need one as their souls are pitiful compared to humans! The warp monsters don't bother them! 😂
Lol, just thinking about those first water caste that tried to bring the orks into the greater good 😂😂
Now hear me out GROTS
The orks have it all figured out really
The Red Gobbo... I'm listening.
The Gritter Gud?
I would love an Ork centred novel that covers this. An Ork v Ork main plot with randomly dispersed chapters of the Tau just turning up and detailing a different diplomatic tactic taken to assimilate the Orks. Each Tau centred book chapter gets smaller and smaller as each ambassador is killed quicker and quicker until they exhaust and eventually give up. Would make a great comedy.
Really hope Farsight doesn’t just become some chaos corrupted puppet. It seems like him getting out from under the etherals was him cutting those puppet strings though maybe not chaos they still act like chaos with how they own pretty much everything about the tau. And also honestly finding my self a bit excited for what come next for shadowsuns story and her acknowledging the tau god and starting to worship the deity. Plus I hope the kroot shaper remains with her because he’s pretty dang cool
The T'au storyline will become very interesting.
They have gained the attention of the Chaos gods, the imperium are aware of them, their allies spawned a literal goddess and their leaders the Ethereals seem to be willing to suppress that goddess.
Interestingly we have two of the most popular generals independently learning to distrust the Ethereals.
I wonder if Farsights Enklave and Shadowsun with their goddess will team up, while the rest falls with the Ethereals.
I personally think it will turn out the Ethereals are some kind of minor gods tricking the Tau a bit like the Eldar’s Laughing God or the two gods of Baal.
@@Mortarion-xt9wp my thoughts exactly and part of what makes me excited about the factions future in the lore. I wasn’t ever a shadowsun fan like I have been with Farsight but after her book and seeing her question the ethereals I started to develop a liking for her and her storyline. A lot of potential
Heres the thing. I 100% agree with yout that Farsight should not do a Horus 2.0 and fall to Chaos. Hoowever, having him constantly teetering on the edge, being tempted but still holding back even if there may be a few bursts of rage/violenece in battle, that i can get behind. Cause the thing is, Farsight may have some reasons to fall to Khorne, but he has WAY more reasons not too. In the Arks of Omen book its stated that he was falling to the blood rage, but was held back by, his Mentors teachings, his own belieefs, his compatriots of the 8 and the Taliman of Arthus Moloch. Its an interesting idea seeing him wrestle with that idea and triumph over it. Sometimes it can be an easy victory, otherimtes like in arks of omen it will be just barely.
I totally get why you say that. On the other hand this is Warhammer no way will things go well for the Tau
we could already eventually have 8 chaos gods, the 4 we think of, gork/mork, the emperor, Tau'va, and Vash'torr
Feel like the term Warp God's fits a wee bit better for the three that are not Vashtor.
@@MaticustheRed gork and mork have been confirmed to be MUCH more powerful than any other beings in the warp, but they only fight eachother
@Leo-km9xg Yurp. Only other one worth krumpin'.
41:51 is it a mistake thou? You say he did everything correctly.. But we are talking about the Horus Lupercal who had been corrupted by Chaos... and even thou, yea, the Emperor tricks him into relinquishing his powers, doesn't he also beg the Emperor to kill him because "He is the only one who can" right at the moment when the Chaos gods start to super charge him once more (once Horus realizes the Emperor has tricked him)? That actually implies that Horus did not have all that much autonomy.. Without his Chaos powers he clearly wanted the Emperor to finish him, but he obviously knew this would no longer be the case once the Chaos gods had supercharged him again... and he did not want that to happen
@@mattk1764 umm what are you replying to? i dont see anything about a reference to horus in the replies to my post
warp god is karl marx
Personally, I'm just waiting for their fancy robots to go full Men of Iron.
And I would actually like to see AI working out for the T'au.
After all the current 40k universe seems to be heavily against the development of artificial intelligence.
If my guess is right, they will try to demonstrate that they are not completely against AI by empowering the T'au.
@@Mortarion-xt9wpI mean it’s called “grimdark” and “in the future there is only war”, so the AI is definitely going to try wiping out its Tau masters 😂
they meaning gw?
Men of Iron chill with the dwarfes, though. But since GW writers seem to not be very creative, ull be right with your prediction. @@thomascrabtree
😂😂😂
The tau are doomed when vashtor visits them or their ai turn in ghevtau when the ai figure out how dangerous chaos is. They are speed running to their death.
Nah, won't happen. GW has to sell those minis, after all
i find it odd the Tau went from tribal to spacefaring in a few thousand years, but when the timeline moved from 40k to late 41k, the tau had no advancement, like their whole thing is rapid advancement, uuuuntil the game starts in 40k, then they stagnant so your models dont become obsolete, since in real life no model of mech or vehicle or gun is in service for thousands of years
More like in 40k they tried to push out and now they have a bunch of nearly unsolvable problems which hinder their advance. But yeah, convenient for mini sales)
Try telling your playerbase that the old armies they have are obsolete entirely and they have to buy entirely new ones because the setting timeline is advancing.
People wouldn't like it. Not at all.
No model except the c-130 Hercules 😅 Seriously though, you just have to sit back and suspend your disbelief sometimes. It’s more about the atmosphere than the believability.
Shame I missed this one when it was live but so glad you're doing Tau content!
The tau have somewhat of a dilemma. They can’t expand further without auxiliaries, but they’re starting to become more xenophobic and the auxiliaries create gods of their own that don’t exactly share the same goals as the Tau.
This is quite random but what are you thinking about possible new companions for the "rogue trader" game?
Personally I would like to see a Kroot. After all its supported by existing lore.
only survivors of the 4th sphere expansion have taken up the idea of ridding the T'au empire of auxiliaries, a small group by any stretch and getting smaller through losses in battle.
@@555tork As far as we know this radical group is spreading.
They are small in size though and mostly of the fire cast. Their battle attrition will make them more fanatical I fear.
@@Mortarion-xt9wp they are being actively punished by the T'au empire at large and ethereals though, so might not be spreading.
Let's see what happens when it happens I guess.
Still a schism forming between the T'au and their allies will be interesting.
I enjoyed this stream! I worked on painting a Farsight mini while listening to it.
It would be interesting if Farsight goes down the Horus route and Guilliman explains to him the danger of his path.
That'd be interesting
I think Farsight has enough reason not to go down the Chaos route like Horus did. The Arks of Oman book at one point literally listed all the things that keep him grounded. If anything i could sort of see Guilliman seeing Farsight splitting off but not falling to chaos and wondering if Horus had done the same, would things have turned outt for the better.
I was rewatching this as anyone does , and I got a msg on discord from your server saying u posted a new video when u haven't. I think its talking about the latest few days ago I don't know why it notify me so late lol
It's for the short
We need more conversations about xenos. More about Ta'u and Aeldari in particular, as these lot have (/could have) so much depth but so often ignored.
the eldar also birthed gods that wernt chaos so its not unusual for gods to be benevolent. that being said theres also a argument for nurgel being benevolent but thats besides the point. i hope the tau get more gods
The appearance of the Ethereals is some incredibly shaddy event... Ancient-astronauts-level shaddy :x
They had to be engineered, i cant find any other explanation. They are an engineered superior cast, and they serve something else. Maybe for the best, maybe for the very worst. They know about the Warp, they manipulate the weak psyche of their race through... some mean, and they basically appeared out of thin air right after some UFO lights flashed in the sky? I call foul. The T'au empire is someone else's puppet.
Wait until you learn about the Quorl...
Conjecture states that the Eldar created/augmented the Ethereals to unify the Tau, as they saw potential in a Psychicly Stunted race in the war against Chaos.
So the Master of Mankind, Tau'va, the mix of the Eldar gods of Life and Death, and Vashtor.
I like that you finally mentioned how Vashtor could easily be seen as a daemon of Tzeench. Maybe it's just my decades of interest in Warhammer but I find that the old four are extremely compelling and convincing as warp reflections of powerful aspects of life, which really helps to sell their bs powers (since everyone has a bit of Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeench and Slaanesh in them). Vashtor seems like more of a niche/edge case, and a chaos god of technology gone awry doesn't mesh well with all of the lore we have on Necrons or the Dark Age of Technology (why would he get a shot at the great game now instead of during the War in Heaven, what about the C'tan, etc.). I hope Vashtor remains a campaign character like Belakor or some of the cool baddies we got in the old Fantasy setting. His domain isn't compelling enough to me to rival the likes of anger, despair, hope and excess, and he doesn't embody the collective aspirations of an entire species like the Emperor or the new Tau god.
It would be cool if the Tau beginning started with an old one who came back to see what the galaxy has become so he created the Tau and ethereals to guide them in becoming the dominant species in the future and i don't think thats far fetched since the imperium was gonna initially exterminate them a sudden warp storm appeared and essentially saved the species and the old ones were known for their mastery of the warp.
1:20 Emperor Protect Us
"bleep bloop blaap" *subs*
46:00 in the first game Titus has two dots on his forehead/head (Indicating two centuries of service), in the second game there are 4 dots on his forehead/head. And the second game is supposed to be taking place in first decades of 24 millenium.
Good catch
I have two things i would like to discuss about the tau lore going forward. One is a theory and the other is where I'd like them to go. The first thing is a theory about the origins of Farsight's Sword, the Dawnblade. I believe it is a Shard of the legendary sword, Anaris-the Sword of DawnLight. In Eldar history and mythology the Eldar smithing God, Vaal, created the sword to fight Khaine, Eldar God of War. He lost the fight and Khaine started using a sword but then it was stolen and given to ,Eldanesh, the greatest of all Eldar Heroes. Eldanesh then used the sword to fight Khaine in one-on-one combat, the only mortal to fight a God on even terms in a straight up duel. He lost and Khaine started using the sword again but then he fought Slaanesh and when he was shattered so was the sword shattered. The Dawnblade Could Be A shard of Anaris. I like this Theory because not only does it fit but it also fits thematically with Farsight's story of fightimg Khorne, with it having mirroring Eldanesh's story of at first denying Khaine and then fighting Khaine. Both war gods. The next topic I would like to discuss is where the Tau goes from here. As mentioned in your video, the creator of the Tau slipstream drive warned that it wasn't ready yet and the ethereals went ahead with it anyway in the 4th sphere expansion. What if the ethereals used him as a scapegoat and blamed him fir what happened. This causes the Earth cast scientists to be disillusioned with the authority of the ethereals but then he gets rescued by agents of the farsight enclaves and ends up joining farsight. Then, what if he recommends doing the same thing that happened with the 4th sphere expansion but instead using unmanned drones and ships to safely and purposely create this time a wormhole within Enclave space that lets The Farsight Enclaves have it own red sphere of expansion in another interesting part of the Galaxy that the tau haven't been near yet. You can open up a lot of the story in World building potential if the other side of the portal gets opened up in either the Ghoul stars, the Halo stars or even the veiled region. Not many people talk about the veiled region except for that one story with the soul drinkers.
While the first theory was a popular one for a time we know where all of the swords of vaul are; 3 are with the ynnari characters, Yvrainne, the Visarch and the Avatar of Ynnead, the spear of twilight that prince yriel uses is the fourth and the fifth one is in the realms of slaanesh.
I actually have been thinking the same thing about the whole idea of recreating wormholes without the 'mauled by demons' issue. I think the main issue is that as i understand it, the spere expansion that created the startide nexus only got out of the warp because of the greater good god so its not something they can necessarily control. While normally im confident the Tau can technology their way around pretty much any problem, warp travel is more voodoo than science and as such a bit out of their area of expertise.
@@555tork The 5 Croneswords of Morai-Heg that the Ynnari are looking for are completely different from Anaris.
@@555tork Also, the Ynnari have 4 of the crone swords. Only 1 is in Slaanesh's palace.
@@Jack-0-lantern was I getting the different swords mixed up, my mistake thought it was one of the crone swords.
Just here to bathe in the tones of Sandman’s voice.
I can think of a couple of story lines that would be interesting for the Ta’u.
A Man of Iron meeting Ta’u AI. Or just a general Ta’u AI uprising.
Rather than Far sight being the Horace of the Ta’u he instead saves them from themselves. Maybe one of the Ta’u generals or Ethereals falls to Choas. Then Far sight and his enclave provides a safe place for the uncorrupted Ta’u.
I think the book Animal Farm, if widely seen among the Tau would be like a bell going off in their heads.
Thank you!
Imagine being the first water caste sent to be a diplomat to the humans. Instead of meeting with other diplomatic figures in the imperium your met with the freaking inquisition 😂😂😂 rough
Positive Warp entity = Used by the Emperor to create the Primarch ( Honnor, courage, benevelence, etc )
Could the ascended Tau'va have reached back in time to M36/37 to create the Ephereals?
Thus uniting the Tau and enabling their empire. Which then, through it's assimilation of stronger psychic races, empowered the Goddess' own creation.
We know that greater warp entities are not constricted by linear time: once they exist, they have always existed.
And Tau'va first interacted with young Shadowsun centuries before Tau'va was supposedly created.
I get the feeling the chaos gods would just eat this little greater good god for breakfast.
could vashtorr be the void dragon or some aspect of them, that'd be pretty cool
Here's a thought. The Void Dragon cannot be Vashtorr since the VD is a C'tan, which are not warp entities, but there is a theory that the VD has unconsciously influenced the Mechanicus to worship it as the Machine God. What if Vashtorr is not the Void Dragon, but he is the Chaos god created by the Mechanicus worshipping the Machine God since worship does have an influence on the warp?
@@mistercmartin I was kinda thinking that the effect it had on the tech priests was kinda like the effect the greater good had on the auxiliary and made a god or maybe 10000 years us enough time for desperate shards all around the galaxy to metamorph into something else
It is a soft C on C'Tan (sounds like 'say-tan').
The point of the Tau is to be naive materialists in a cynical galaxy dominated by magic and bloodthirsty gods.
29:22 If you ever wanted a quick QA guy to listen before release, let me know.
Ooo great catch. Thank you mate
@@SandmanofTerra My pleasure. Keep up the great work!
If the Tyranids devour the Ethereal, then they must have a way to control it through pheromones?
I hope that the Tau's AI doesn't go rogue. Or if it does it's able to be dealt with quickly BY the Tau. I don't like the idea of the Imperium being 'right' about the inevitability of AI uprising.
What are each of the Tau auxiliaries do when it comes to be in the Tau empire especially in military
Once Chaos gets involved with the Tau.
They are royally screwed.
Dont forget. The Chaos gods manage to break the golden Age of each Race (Aeldar and the Imperium)
Great video
The more the galaxy drains them of their naivity...the more dangerous they will become.
The way you say "Greater Good" reminds me WAY too heavily of how Kitten in TTS says it.
This is not a bad thing.
I miss kitten
Some seem to think the title implies Tau would fall all the way out of existence, but just because they fall wouldn't necessarily mean the end of their race. Just ask pretty much any other race who once had a great empire in 40K. It could just mean they would become less optimistic and more grimdark.
Sandman's take that the inevitability of this has been hinted at with the Farsight Enclaves and the 4th sphere expansion, was also my impression before watching this. Tau preconceptions can't make it very far from their home before they are dispelled by realities of the galaxy, that they seem utterly unprepared for.
My guess is it will take the form of a greater schism similar to the Imperium. Along the lines of those who will uphold the ideals of the Greater Good and those who will see it as naive and pointless, adopting a ruthless and unrestrained approach to dealing with other factions.
Speculating further, I could see this taking the form of ghastly technologies like those banned by the Imperium. Nano tech capable of turning worlds into grey goo to match the Life-Eater Virus, AI with godlike power and intellect to match Necron technology and psychic races. Rather than a fall to Chaos, falling to the trappings of the Dark Age of Technology.
Imo a fall anchored in the material realm, similar to the Necrons, would better fit the Tau than something warp-related. Like unwittingly creating their own C'tan-like entity from technology. Not in the sense it would be as powerful as a complete C'tan but filling a similar role as C'tan once did to the Necrons.
The fall will be how all greater goods go... some greater goods are greater than other greater goods
the greater goods imply the existence of the greatest good
We already have AI and the Warp being the reasons for downfall.
I really wish that the AI ends up working for the T'au and that something else ends up felling them
@@Mortarion-xt9wp AI will end up being their god and eventually a warp entity as well
@@edwells4769 Interesting thought.
Does AI have presence in the Warp?
A 'Greater good' warp god created as a result of the races absorbed by the Tau would be one that's linked to an ideal (The greater good), and not to the Tau as a species. That'd be a god that didn't need the Tau themselves, and was more influenced by non-Tau belief. That'd scare me if I were Tau.
Or maybe it's actually just a chaos god of hunger/greed? Ha ha.
I really have come to like the tau. Their recent lore is very much fun.
Votann and Tau would be really awesome Alliance
The Tau were created by the Necrons as new bodies for reverse biotransference...
Crackpot theory: ethereals are genestealers.
There was a male inquisitor too in the damocles books who flipped decades before.
A bit too much off topic for me to follow along. The video states the Tau history, but it is very hard to follow the storyline as we go off topic too much. :/ But i love the first 40min of the video. ;)
I understand, so I normally leave the full stream up for a bit and then edit it down later and repost
Green iz da best. Blue fishies iz da lolz 🤣🍻
P.s. nice vid, ty
So when is the tau god going to meet gork and Mork
Any chance that Kais has a connection to the Kais from Fire Warrior and Dawn of War… or is it a coincidence or possibly just a reference?
Theory: The Etherials didn't just "convince" the Tau people to stop fighting.
They MIND CONTROLLED them to stop fighting by " the greater good"
That would give the Tau's Utopian society a more grimdark reality to their not so grim dark sociery.
It’s heavily implied that that’s the truth. That’s why the Ethereal’s are so threatened by the Farsight conclave because their subtle mind control can no longer reach them without an Ethereal near them.
That's not as much a theory as simply what happened
oh man I just cant help myself, I just hate these xenos.
Tldr up to writers as usual.
And one day see wh 50k. Maybe something has changed by then.
I just made the connection between Farsight and his 8 and the fact that Khorne’s number is 8. lol. Here I thought I was a Tau fan.
The imperium is really the bad guys of Warhammer 40k
Why so? Chaos is far worse
@@iansysoev9462 Chaos is only a reflection of the mortals of the galaxy. The worse the mortals are, the worse Chaos is. It's simple stuff!
Nope
Shouldn't have older races spread to other galaxies?
I believe horus was strong but made a puppet through mental manipulation
Nah we'll win. GREATER GOOD FOR LIFE!
Win what?
Isn't the greater good a commie slogan
Necron supremacy will always win at the end of everything
Nah, annoy the Imperium more and soon you'll get 25 DAoT satelites that will obliterate your entire navy and if you doubt that, you can ask the Necrons about what happened to their ships in the Nephilim sector.
“LOL” said the entire galaxy “LMAO”
The Tau are not at all doomed. Their chance of success lies in waiting out the other factions. Humanity is dying, perhaps in it's death throws. The Eldar exist only as a remnant and are, in fact, doomed. The Orks are slowly but surely devolving back into fungi. The Tyranids would be a problem if not for the Necrons. The Necrons, for their part, are not concerned with the Tau in their present state. Chaos is by it's nature self destructive and will annihilate any species that falls to it completely in time. The Votann do not have any reason to fight the Tau.
People mention that the Tau have no "Heavy hitters" like Big E or the Chaos Gods, but this is forgetting what technology alone can actually accomplish in 40k. If the Tau can make it another six thousand years they will reach a stage of technological advancement on par with what humanity had at their height (Humanity, not the Imperium.) This means Dyson spheres, sun snuffers etc. The biggest advantage the Tau have is something no other race possesses... A future.
I do agree (i am a tau player with a bit of a bias i admit) that the Tau are in with a shot of outlasting the Eldar, Imperium (which should have crumbled ages ago), chaos (cause humanity is the only one fueling chaos in any meaningful way) and as you rightly said, the votann have no reason to fight. Tyranids and necrons on the other hand i think are a bigger problem. Sadly if either come in full force against the other, one if going to triumph and be at full power and i dont think either will igonore the tau least of all the necrons. Rememeber the necorns whole history is them being the undergods and prceeding to enslave the gods. They may decide to nip the tau problem in the bud before they become and issue. ASnd that not even taking into account the corrupted necrons who just exist to destroy life.
@@carlzerris6566 If the Tau can achieve the same degree of technological prowes humanity had at it's height the nids are fucked. To Golden Age humans they are just bugs. They would have OPTIONS in how to handle that problem. The Necrons are probably not as unreasonable as people make them out to be. Peace simply isn't an option for them at the current time because all the other races except the Tau are super aggro at the moment. In fact peaceful negotiations with the Necrons is far more possible than peaceful negotiations with the Imperium.
Where has sterilization ever happened in any T'au stories? Haven't come across it myself, and you can hardly call saving people from your caste before others as that is "human" nature they were given an open order to save as many as possible so people will naturally begin with the people they are most acquainted with/know best, friends/family for example.
Oh look more non Tau playing grimdork Emparhm playing cels talking about Tau....
Any chance of those graphics' source?
41:53 Is it a mistake thou? You say he did everything correctly.. But we are talking about the Horus Lupercal who had been corrupted by Chaos... and even thou, yea, the Emperor tricks him into relinquishing his powers, doesn't he also beg the Emperor to kill him because "He is the only one who can" right at the moment when the Chaos gods start to super charge him once more (once Horus realizes the Emperor has tricked him)? That actually implies that Horus did not have all that much autonomy.. Without his Chaos powers he clearly wanted the Emperor to finish him, but he obviously knew this would no longer be the case once the Chaos gods had supercharged him again... and he did not want that to happen
I think youre msiunderstanding what im saying. Im not saying he did everything right morally or anythign like that. I'm saying he did everything right to conquer terra and kill the emperor. Which he absolutely did. The only reason he didnt "win" was due to giving up his power.
Like I say though, its up to interpretation.
The imperium would fall loooong before the tau empire and the only reason that it hasn’t is because they have plot amor thick enough to stop hive fleets
As long as emperor exists imperium won't fall, and since he's basically a god...
Besides orks tau are best chaos is trash
and arnt tau teezch thing?
Tau propaganda
No faction do i despise more than the Tau.
Emperor walk with you!
Ugh everyone stop with the Eldari - just say Eldar, they'll cave
Tau commies ....
The Tau are so delusional
I would say they are way too optimistic and naive.
They will be confronted with reality soon I hope.
@@Mortarion-xt9wp hope they annoy the Imperium more so the Imperium actually releases it's lethal weapons and destroy them. The Tau, no matter the advancement won't have an answer to the Dark Age of Technology weaponry held by the Imperium
@@Mortarion-xt9wphope they annoy the Imperium more so the Mechanicus can use the same potent weapons it used against the Necrons
The greedy GW probably won't be willing to kill them off for good.
Still I hope they receive some serious punishment