What if the Boiling Isles are called “the Boiling Isles” due to the Collectors scorching the air to wipe out the Titans? That could explain the boiling sea and perhaps even the red sky.
you know what, now that you say it, it would make sense why the rain is boiling, as well as the sea, and why all the vegetation is red, in fact, I don't remember seeing any non-red vegetation anywhere, _except_, however, for King's island, which had green vegetation and a mist around it... probably because whatever that place was, it wasn't affected by the collector magic since titan magic negates it. Thus with the planet cleaned (of the original inhabitants) and the air scorched (to the point water is always boiling in nature), they thought their job "done" but then titan's blood was such a powerful source of magic that it simply made new life, which adapted to these harrowing conditions, for example the stonesleepers simple turning to stone to hibernate, likely a protection from extreme heat from a time the planet was considerably hotter... damn there are quite some gears turning in my head fitting a lot of stuff into place...
I think the picture of our Collector surrounded by Titan pups is them playing. Our Collector looks more like he's making a squee face having so many playments. Then they were all brutally killed by the other Collectors. I am pretty sure that egg in the painting was King's egg. That's why our Collector scratched out the other Collectors plans to kill everyone. He just wanted friends and to play, and was anti their genocide.
I am all the more curious about the Collector, their race, the conflict between the Collectors and the Titans, and what's going to happen between King and the Collector in the end. I honestly hope King can redeem the Collector since despite the bad things that they did, the Collector is really a lonely child with godlike powers that doesn't know any better and is on the verge of being manipulated into doing something worse.
In my opinion i hope other collectors are extintcs in their war with the titans, because i am not want they appears and captures witches and demons on the Boiling Isles in the third special will come that in april 8
King: if the Eda's Japanese cartoon is true, the best thing I can do to stop the collector is to keep him distracted, comply with his requests and not make him angry... I just hope that if he's hungry he doesn't think of turning everyone into sweets and chocolates
Now Im just imagining the reveal of the Island titan not being King's dad. King: Dad, you're Alive? Dad: Yes I am son. King: We all thought you were the island Dad: I am not King: If the island is not my dad then who is it? Dad: I think his name was Larry
I know for a fact, the collector seems to like king a lot, so maybe he’s not like the other collector, so he ran away, and eventually end of imprisoned by King’s father because he thought he was like the other collectors
Or if he was abandoned and was left with no friends, much less family shoetly after taken form. Because of how he doesn't like being left alone, like when the collector asked King to leave Francios to watch him. Something I can't overlook
I know I might sound a little crazy. But I believe paintings on king's tower and the pictures in the collectors base. Might be the very first Titan trapper. I believe the tall Titan that was fighting the trapper was protecting king's egg.
There is one thing that still itches in the back of my mind. When Luz went to talk to Bill, he said he saw a live titan once. One that blew his ear drums before disappearing. I believe it was King's dad. But I don't think it's the Boiling Isles titan since it took 1000s of years for life to form on it, and I doubt Bill is that old.
I hope that other collectors are extincts during their war with titans, because i not want they appears and captures witches and demons on the Boiling Isles in the third special will come that in april 8
I'm also wondering what the murals on other side of the hallway are supposed to represent: a comet, a smiling sun, a moon... I wonder if, after the series is over, we might get a recollection of what King remembers from the Collector's book, kinda like Journal 3 or Marcy's Journal.
Maybe the birth of Collectors, after all Kikimora stated in Kings Tide that the Collector was a child of the stars, so maybe they're born when certain space event happens like planets aligning
If King’s father is alive, it actually makes me even more worried about Eda and Raine. The reason being Raine will probably sacrifice themself during the battle and knowing Eda, she won’t let them do it alone. Which would have been awful since King would have been left without a parent but now idk anymore
The owl beast escaping could be a misplaced or stolen situation because it was made into a spell scroll. Which would explain how collectors capture and house so many creatures at once. Also keep said creature from dying of old age or disease sense they are trying to preserve it.
My understanding is the Collector was not originally going to be in the Owl House. The crew wanted to introduce a character like them in the show, but weren’t sure how, and when they learned the show would be shortened they decided to just go for it. So there is a sort-of silver lining with the shortened S3, being the show we have now with The Collector versus one we can only speculate, and one that may not have gone as intensely as this one where the crew can just go for things they may not have been able to otherwise. My guess is after the mid-S2 finale is where the story shifted from its original course to this current one, meaning had there been a full S3 we’d be getting a different story right now, whether it would share elements with this one or not. This and Amphibia shared a very similar S2 ending, which maybe always was going to be the case but with different circumstances.
The collectors wore the skin of their enemies to become immune to the opposing magic, starving them, bleeding them, making every Titan suffer SKINWALKERS
Hm, how very interesting, i hope we’ll get to learn more still about The Collector and his people, but i guess we’ll have to wait to find out. Anyway, I will look forward to see more Videos from you about the subject.
I've been thinking more & more that it's King from the future in the in between. Luz & King are able to get through to the Collector & convince him that they don't want to destroy him & also that it's possible for not just for King to have other friends, but the Collector as well. That infuriates Belos because once again he's failed to wipe out all of the witches and because (as the Roundtable has speculated) that he has begun to see Luz as Evelyn (which is why he said Evelyn when he tried to destroy Flapjack) and decides that with his fading energy that he can at least finally be rid of Evelyn once & for all. The Collector sees how Luz's death affects King & her friends and wants to do something to save her. He sends King back to give her magic, but because King is currently unable to fully give magic to someone, ages him up to at least an advanced adolescent stage in his Titan development so that King can give Luz magic & also help defeat Belos.
kings dad is the boiling isles and king was the titan that blew out bill's eardrum, so king is the only titan alive and his dad is dead *that we know of*
I have a what-if theory what if Luz gets sent to the in-between realm again and she meets that same Titan that she saw in the last episode which turned out to be King's father? He has been watching her the entire time guiding her on the quest to learn magic with the glyphs. Also, there is a chance that they can work together to escape the in-between realm and get back to the demon realm.
I think The Collector was used all his life. We see a picture of 3 collector handing their hands to The Collector. I think they chose him to go to Boiling Isles to make friends with the Titans but infact their plan is to use a small kid as a peace offering and secretly wiping all the titans. The Collector was playing with 4 small titans knowing that he has friends when 3 the other Collectors use him to defeat all the titans. And after the titans were wiped King’s father thinking it was the little Collector doing all this trapped him. Than Philip aka Belos found The Collector and used him. And now he has a feeling that King might use him aswell. I feel so bad because he is misunderstood and needs to be redeemed if the others offer him a peaceful hand. And idk why but Im afraid that one of the characters might die or The Collector might be trapped again. I iust dont want Belos to win.
@@gloriainesospina3320 I hope it's nit heavily tipped in kings favor, it'd be interesting of they were equal in power so they both had to be on their toes
I don't think that fight would be fair. King is at an extreme physical disadvantage. The collector was able to stop Bellos (who was able to shake the Titan skull) with 2 fingers. Even if His sonic shout could depower him It wouldn't be able to damage or kill him, and he'd be one tapped like belos.
2:06 I think the larger titan here in this tapestry is a Titan Trapper. Because looking at the baby Titans and the other Titans, they're all depicted with red eyes whereas the Collectors have yellow eyes. And the yellow eyed Titan is seen fighting the red eyed Titans, which doesn't make sense since you'd think all the Titans would work together against the Collectors. That's my thought. The reason why the Trapper would have yellow eyes could be to show that they're aligned with the Collectors
@@gloriainesospina3320 I'm talking about in the tapestries in the background, not actually King and Collector irl. I can tell Collector and King both have yellow eyes
Triptics are references to past present and future, the collector that captures eda has an obsession with scrolls: (perpetrator: the past/making records/documentation/archives/scroll sanctuaries which are an old-timey way of cultivating information) (present would just over see while future would be in wait for what’s to come : speculation) The triptics show 3collectors overseeing the planet dutifully. The small-collector on the side not paying attention. Yet he’s still there overseeing the planet as well. So what is his role if not time/space? The small collector represents gravity. Having the ability to move the planetary systems and pull the soil from the earth to the sky, or bend light (he can’t however escape reflections as it’s a realm that lacks gravity, and he can not control the light reflecting off an object while also acting as the objects center of gravity/physicality.) the planet the time-collectors oversee is controlled by the titan who uses the earth and generates new materials/waste. It’s not something that is asexually reproducing it evolves through consumption/creation/reproduction. There’s 4 collectors depicted with signs above them representing: water, earth, air, fire. They show the collector the interesting elements that exist on this planet (resources/examples of energy/life with unique physicality and composition, of which he can manipulate the gravity of) The past-collector goes to the planet to document. And captures a female owl-like creature: Titian is alone and the egg is only fathered while the mother is away. The life forms on the planet notice the change/missing creatures, the titan (king of creatures becomes defensive) and protects his egg while other creatures go missing. A tall collector battles against the titan who is protecting an egg. Small-collector goes with him while playing (not understanding the role that they have to cleanse the earth and given a demonstration of war first hand) The battle between the two is a tie the past collector is missing while the Titian is killed: the egg is abandoned. The small-collector is abandoned. The small collector can not get back to the rest of the collectors and hides in a cave. The egg hatches in the cave. The collector is surrounded by small Titian king. Together they play with dolls that the two create together out of rocks and muck around them. King is an infant who controls these dolls with commands (disrupting the air), while the small-collector can manipulate them (gravity/physicality) to play along. King is too small to remember any of this. The collector is found at some point by bellos who convinces/traps him. Bellos creates the titan-hunters who attack wild magic/monsters and sacrifice them. Small-collector is trapped in mirrors/controlled by bellos King is found by eda/the owl beast (eda and sister dynamics happen over the course that wild magic is being destroyed and belos’s rise to power) Now we go back to the current episode. The collector still wants to play and sleep in a small room alone with king, he wants to share toys and make the whole world their playground so that they don’t have to be stuck on an island in a sealed room made by kings father. King who has grown up and doesn’t remember this thinks the collector is crazy and childish even tho at the beginning of the series this would have been exactly what appealed to king. (Playing games controlling people and making rules/commands: think of his little stuff animal army’s) And speaking of Francois king sets a rule with the collector, no you can not hold him or touch him I do not allow that. And the collector listens and respects those wishes. When king sneaks off to see eda/Lilith/hootsifer the collector doesn’t exclaim ‘he’s breaking the rules/not playing with me/betraying me. He doesn’t care that they’re free/plotting something it might be part of the game king has made. It’s only when the collector realizes this might not be a game and he might be tricked and killed does he become defensive. The collector plays games because that’s more fun and it’s nice to make friends: he doesn’t want to be in a battle or witness a battle or try and scorch the earth and perish like the past collector or like the past titians. Especially not after knowing them personally (he’s grown up with king. He knows every single person on the planet that he’s transformed into a doll. They’re playing house atm)
@@karlthorkildson4650 when the collector/small collector fight the Titian on Titans island king is kept inside the building sealed, we see the small collector in a mural trapped surrounded by king. Inferred: the collector/king were both kept in the same sealed location until it was opened by outside forces. No one knows the island exists except Eda who had flown to it out of instinct. (We see the owl beast escape the collector attempting to fly in a direction before falling into the sea: attempting to reach an island out of instinct) Eda finds king all alone and safe. This is years after bellos reign/the coven systems which we know he has used the collector at this time: both with establishing the hunters wearing titan skulls and the eradication of wild magic/monsters with the ‘turn them to stone’ on public display aspects. The collector was found by belos first who thought he wasn’t wild magic but external force/godlike and manipulated him King was found by eda and raised as a son. He had to learn with each new friend how to be a better person/leader until he is where he’s at now. Collector isolated wanting friends abused by a father like figure: king isolated wanting friends under threat from belos’s rulings had to stay hidden with Eda out of persecution. Only with Luz becoming their friends were they able to break out of this cycle and uncover truths about the world. Luz listens to king and tries to negotiate and understand leading her back to the egg-island where their understanding of the world/friendship really grows. In this finale it is king vs collector, in what can be a mimic of the prior war except neither party willingly wants to fight is unanimous that both sides wish to play games and have peace
in the season 2 codes we have Seething Seas and Puppet Strings He no Longer Dreams of Kings As Above Rush Darkened Skies as below his father lies wich implies that king's dad *is* the boiling isles so maybe that's his mom that got trapped in the in-betwen or a part of king's father is on trapped in the in-betwen
I really think that when the Collector is befriended, the Titan who is kings dad may have shown up and they talk and then the collector reveals about the other collectors looking down on him.
if I'm being honest i think collectors simply left boiling isles, on paintings it's pretty much said that they ignored the collector so it's obvious they didn't care about his disappearance
Hmm my theory it's possible that collector and the titans we're enemies perhaps when the collector took things to far and don't understand the rules or function of friendship so the titans must have imprisoned him and hide his mirror to make sure he'll never be realised again
Would there still be some dark past/corruption in the Demon Realm without Philip? I think so. Whereas the likes of Odalia, Boscha, Tibbles, etc were likely stemmed off Belos' influence, there's one I can think that wouldn't, and it's not the Collector but rather the Bat Queen. Hers is being discarded by her owner; occurring thousands of years ago, so long before Philip, and this was S1 before Collectors existed in canon. If however she is connected to the Titans, perhaps Collectors could join there like with Philip's circleless magic and maybe even a couple celestial spells from S1 - Moonlight Conjurings and the Wailing Star.
I think the titan in the in-between realm is king but from the future, trying to contact Luz to give her a major clue to defeat the collector. The episode is called for the future after all.
2 things I randomly think of when Luz say she saw something in the inbetween realm when coming back to the Demon Realm. Either that COULD be King's father or that one guy who pretended to be King's father is there. I always thought it was funny how that nobody knew about the location place of where King was born, like not even the High Covens believe going as far as beyond the land of the Titan to check if they truly have seen every land that is the Demon Realm. Eda got lucky when trying to take cover from the acid rain. What I'm curious is how will should Eda handle seeing the Collector while telling the inner owl beast curse to remain calm and not lash out of fear and anger. Eda could humor the kid similar to how she played with Luz, but only if she stayed in her witch form.
It was seen among the paintings in the mansion that the collector has a family... could it be that those supposed images of Luz possessed by the collector is actually that the collector has a sister identical to Luz?
also i would like to add where luz and the gang reentered the demon realm it looked like the place where eda found the portal to the demon realm wich could mean that this place was used long ago to use for demons and witches to go to the human realm and maybe bury their people their in gravesfield becaeuse of the name it was probably given by humans due to the graves that where there and also becaeuse the collectors where around at that time and to keep their familly safe they buried them there so that they can rest in peace whitout the collectors finding them
What if the collectors did scotch the air. That's how we have the boiling sea they just got used to breating the air coz u can't expect me to believe they some some extra organ connected to their heart and not be able to breath scortched air
2:05 I'm pretty sure the "titan" in the background is actually a titan trapper. The Archivists probably got the trappers to help them in their quest to get rid of the titans
@@gloriainesospina3320 We know of at least one symbol that affects Collectors, unknown if it's derived from a glyph combo. What was on the doors and ceiling/air vent of King 's nursery place, is a spell for 'permanent invisibility only to Collectors specifically'.
I thought that the "long beard" titan was really a titan-trapper or in this case, a Collector in disguise. And while In think that the "In-Between" guy is probably a titan or King's father, I think that it could be a titan trapper. They would look like a titan and would recognize Luz. Also, why does the guy have wings??? No one on the short list of options has wings!!!
The Collector was most likely there when the war between the Collectors and Titans happened and as a result he became traumatized ‘cause he possibly thought the other Collectors were to be trusted until they killed the Titans then he was trapped and when he was released he wanted to have new friends but Belos had betrayed him and now he thinks King had tricked him. Overall he’s not truly an antagonist just a misguided and confused character.
Most likely the Collectors have been wiped out by the Titans. Seeing as a Collector, one of their own, is making a mess in the Boiling Isles for months and haven’t went and took care of the problem. They make it a habit to not let themselves be known to the mortal realms
You're correct. Didn't actually see any of their posts about this until it was pointed out to me in the comments and I looked into it. Ty for letting me know :D
i heard someone say that the “titan” or whoever it was in the in between realm was king from the future i don’t know if it could be true or not but it’s definitely a cool theory
One thing I'm curious about is the Owl-beast. I understand that the Collectors do what they do, at least in their minds, to preserve unique life forms to keep a species from being wiped out. At least unless said species fights back or otherwise annoys them. The Collector in the beast's memory traps it and eventually binds it in scroll form. Fine, I understand this as well: personally I think each Collector had a unique way of "preserving" a target, perhaps something that aligned with that collector's personality. Kid Collector is a free-spirited child with a desire for friendship; so he preserves creatures in the forms of seemingly indestructible toys or puppets; maybe the one that sealed the beast was one who craved knowledge above all, and kept his collection in a massive library or something? IDK. What really confuses me is how Lilith finding that same scroll allowed her to: 1) force the beast to bond with Eda in the form of a curse, and bind it to Eda's magic, if not her soul completely? 2) Split the curse between herself and Eda later in life? 3) Profit? Also this just occurred to me: light glyphs being able to nerf the Owl-Beast makes a bit more sense now. Titan magic can no-sell Collector magic, so theoretically: Luz's magic is harnessing the magic of the Boiling Isles, the magic of the Titan; and could work to quell the curse aspects of the scroll that the beast was sealed in. I know King says it's because black-eyed demons are light sensitive, but after seeing how a simple light glyph was able to free the gang from puppet form or from the mind whammy Kid Collector put on them, it does give some ground to my theory. I don't have a good explanation why the light glyph didn't work on Lilith during "Keeping up Afearances" though. Only thing I can think of is that she was so agitated that her inner beast couldn't be suppressed so easily. That or because her form is less light sensitive or more feral since this is their first transformation compared to Eda whose been dealing with it for 20 years.
Do you think if king egg and he doesn’t have a mother that mean it could be possible that one of the collectors collectors was friends with a titan and they had a kid and that was king that’s why he’s parking the collectors are like queens the Titans are the kings that would make him prince or a king😮
Ok love everything in the video but the fact that he kept saying that kings dad is still alive is not true because king is called the son of the boiling isles by bill and luz in “oh titan where art thou” and in “edge of the world” which implies that he is the son of the titan that makes up the boiling isles.
5:25 that is not true King is at least 12 as in season 2 episode 8 his is having voice cracks that only really start at age 12 minimum and plus it would take more then a year for King to have turned from what he was when he just hatched to what Eda found him and judging by how many of his statues he made it would for sure take more then a year for a kid of that young to put that many together
With the reality warping powers and the like I feel like it's more a Q/Squire of Gothos vibe. Also the SNAPPING. And Cosmic Frontier. There are Continuum flags everywhere. Would that put the Titians in place of the El Aurians then (considering how Q reacted to Guinan)
I dont believe the lanky titan is kings dad as why would there be a mural of an enemy titan and king even calls the boiling isles dad, another piece of evidence is that the lengthy titan looks a lot like the titan from the other side of the world (which was what I thought when I saw the series) so it can't be kings dad
this might be a stretch, but what if the egg in the collector's murals wasn't king, but instead the titan we see in the in-between? because then if there was a younger titan alive around the same time as luz, then that could explain bill seeing a titan use it's WEH powers on him. the titan that blasted his eardrums couldn't be king because that power has only recently developed. plus, it's kinda weird how it took millions (or at least enough years it takes to build a new ecosystem on the boiling isles) of years for king's egg to hatch. the only thing i can't figure out is how king would come to be if the mural egg isn't him. maybe titans reproduce asexually? or maybe demon realm biology doesn't work the same as ours since people of the same gender can have a kid with both parent's attributes (willow's dads and boscha's moms.) idk it's pretty interesting, and it would be fucking awesome if i predict it
You must be _so_ proud of yourself for having the luck to be in the right place in the right time, to leave such a comment, declaring to the world that your comment is "first" on such an insignificant video.
agian the yellow thing is like a force ghost of kings fother witch is most likly still the main island saying as its the most important and king also greets hi as he returns frum i think the titan traper episode
What if the Boiling Isles are called “the Boiling Isles” due to the Collectors scorching the air to wipe out the Titans? That could explain the boiling sea and perhaps even the red sky.
Could our collector theoretically now or in the future turn the boiling sea into... a regular sea? How would that effect life on the isles?
you know what, now that you say it, it would make sense why the rain is boiling, as well as the sea, and why all the vegetation is red, in fact, I don't remember seeing any non-red vegetation anywhere, _except_, however, for King's island, which had green vegetation and a mist around it... probably because whatever that place was, it wasn't affected by the collector magic since titan magic negates it. Thus with the planet cleaned (of the original inhabitants) and the air scorched (to the point water is always boiling in nature), they thought their job "done" but then titan's blood was such a powerful source of magic that it simply made new life, which adapted to these harrowing conditions, for example the stonesleepers simple turning to stone to hibernate, likely a protection from extreme heat from a time the planet was considerably hotter... damn there are quite some gears turning in my head fitting a lot of stuff into place...
That is literally the reason, it's pretty damn obvious, tge titans meddled with their affairs so they cleaned the planet and scorch the air
@@matheusGMN They really tried to air out the demon realm then life came out of the Titian's corpses and they started collecting them.
The passage does state "clear the land" if the titan corpse is the only land left it would cover why they all live on it as well.
I think the picture of our Collector surrounded by Titan pups is them playing. Our Collector looks more like he's making a squee face having so many playments. Then they were all brutally killed by the other Collectors. I am pretty sure that egg in the painting was King's egg.
That's why our Collector scratched out the other Collectors plans to kill everyone. He just wanted friends and to play, and was anti their genocide.
I am all the more curious about the Collector, their race, the conflict between the Collectors and the Titans, and what's going to happen between King and the Collector in the end. I honestly hope King can redeem the Collector since despite the bad things that they did, the Collector is really a lonely child with godlike powers that doesn't know any better and is on the verge of being manipulated into doing something worse.
the collectors have been exiled from 109 dimensions.
I agree with You
Me 2
Tho no spoilers plz
It’s the Owl House Silmarillion 🤩
In my opinion i hope other collectors are extintcs in their war with the titans, because i am not want they appears and captures witches and demons on the Boiling Isles in the third special will come that in april 8
King: if the Eda's Japanese cartoon is true, the best thing I can do to stop the collector is to keep him distracted, comply with his requests and not make him angry... I just hope that if he's hungry he doesn't think of turning everyone into sweets and chocolates
Ah, a Majin Buu reference
And to power up I gotta scream very loudly
DBZ reference he will send an energy wave called the Titan roar
Now Im just imagining the reveal of the Island titan not being King's dad.
King: Dad, you're Alive?
Dad: Yes I am son.
King: We all thought you were the island
Dad: I am not
King: If the island is not my dad then who is it?
Dad: I think his name was Larry
The titán of the boiling islands if he is the father of king
I know for a fact, the collector seems to like king a lot, so maybe he’s not like the other collector, so he ran away, and eventually end of imprisoned by King’s father because he thought he was like the other collectors
Dude, imagine if the Collector was wrongly sealed. Like, they were trying to seal away Robes, but they got ours by accident. That'd be so fucked.
Or if he was abandoned and was left with no friends, much less family shoetly after taken form. Because of how he doesn't like being left alone, like when the collector asked King to leave Francios to watch him. Something I can't overlook
@@popsicIes YEAH ABOUT THAT!!!!!
I know I might sound a little crazy. But I believe paintings on king's tower and the pictures in the collectors base. Might be the very first Titan trapper. I believe the tall Titan that was fighting the trapper was protecting king's egg.
There is one thing that still itches in the back of my mind. When Luz went to talk to Bill, he said he saw a live titan once. One that blew his ear drums before disappearing. I believe it was King's dad. But I don't think it's the Boiling Isles titan since it took 1000s of years for life to form on it, and I doubt Bill is that old.
King's father is the boiling islands
@@gloriainesospina3320 no
@@JennaGrodz if it is
who is bill?
@@Pluto.1079 the leader of the Titan Trappers
I have a theory that the reason why king dad hid our collector the little one is because he wanted to protect him from the other collectors
I hope that other collectors are extincts during their war with titans, because i not want they appears and captures witches and demons on the Boiling Isles in the third special will come that in april 8
@@rafaelgiovannibatistaduran5709 I think it'd be interesting if there still were a few around though it'd be unlikely
Glad to see someone finally cover the paintings in the new episode, love the video
I'm also wondering what the murals on other side of the hallway are supposed to represent: a comet, a smiling sun, a moon... I wonder if, after the series is over, we might get a recollection of what King remembers from the Collector's book, kinda like Journal 3 or Marcy's Journal.
Maybe the birth of Collectors, after all Kikimora stated in Kings Tide that the Collector was a child of the stars, so maybe they're born when certain space event happens like planets aligning
If King’s father is alive, it actually makes me even more worried about Eda and Raine. The reason being Raine will probably sacrifice themself during the battle and knowing Eda, she won’t let them do it alone. Which would have been awful since King would have been left without a parent but now idk anymore
The owl beast escaping could be a misplaced or stolen situation because it was made into a spell scroll. Which would explain how collectors capture and house so many creatures at once. Also keep said creature from dying of old age or disease sense they are trying to preserve it.
My understanding is the Collector was not originally going to be in the Owl House. The crew wanted to introduce a character like them in the show, but weren’t sure how, and when they learned the show would be shortened they decided to just go for it. So there is a sort-of silver lining with the shortened S3, being the show we have now with The Collector versus one we can only speculate, and one that may not have gone as intensely as this one where the crew can just go for things they may not have been able to otherwise.
My guess is after the mid-S2 finale is where the story shifted from its original course to this current one, meaning had there been a full S3 we’d be getting a different story right now, whether it would share elements with this one or not. This and Amphibia shared a very similar S2 ending, which maybe always was going to be the case but with different circumstances.
This history is so fascinating I hope we get a lot more of it in the finale
The collectors wore the skin of their enemies to become immune to the opposing magic, starving them, bleeding them, making every Titan suffer
SKINWALKERS
I'm so glad I found your channel.
2:27 I think the collector was smiling
Hm, how very interesting, i hope we’ll get to learn more still about The Collector and his people, but i guess we’ll have to wait to find out.
Anyway, I will look forward to see more Videos from you about the subject.
Well this is definitely some Silmarillion level storytelling going on right here…in this case the Collectors are Morgoth and the Titans are the Valar
I think the Collectors teamed up with the Titan Trappers when the collectors offered the trappers power. Together they committed the Titan Genocide.
I've been thinking more & more that it's King from the future in the in between. Luz & King are able to get through to the Collector & convince him that they don't want to destroy him & also that it's possible for not just for King to have other friends, but the Collector as well. That infuriates Belos because once again he's failed to wipe out all of the witches and because (as the Roundtable has speculated) that he has begun to see Luz as Evelyn (which is why he said Evelyn when he tried to destroy Flapjack) and decides that with his fading energy that he can at least finally be rid of Evelyn once & for all. The Collector sees how Luz's death affects King & her friends and wants to do something to save her. He sends King back to give her magic, but because King is currently unable to fully give magic to someone, ages him up to at least an advanced adolescent stage in his Titan development so that King can give Luz magic & also help defeat Belos.
King Won't grow up that fast
kings dad is the boiling isles and king was the titan that blew out bill's eardrum, so king is the only titan alive and his dad is dead *that we know of*
You're right 👍
Good to have you back bro
I have a what-if theory what if Luz gets sent to the in-between realm again and she meets that same Titan that she saw in the last episode which turned out to be King's father? He has been watching her the entire time guiding her on the quest to learn magic with the glyphs. Also, there is a chance that they can work together to escape the in-between realm and get back to the demon realm.
6:20 But didn't the crew said the collector was a result of the shorting?
I think The Collector was used all his life. We see a picture of 3 collector handing their hands to The Collector. I think they chose him to go to Boiling Isles to make friends with the Titans but infact their plan is to use a small kid as a peace offering and secretly wiping all the titans. The Collector was playing with 4 small titans knowing that he has friends when 3 the other Collectors use him to defeat all the titans. And after the titans were wiped King’s father thinking it was the little Collector doing all this trapped him. Than Philip aka Belos found The Collector and used him. And now he has a feeling that King might use him aswell. I feel so bad because he is misunderstood and needs to be redeemed if the others offer him a peaceful hand. And idk why but Im afraid that one of the characters might die or The Collector might be trapped again. I iust dont want Belos to win.
The collector Will not seal it again that would be cruel
🤔 I know that King is a Titan and Titan Magic cancels out Collector Magic. So... Again, I do expect a battle of King vs The Collector. 🤩
For sure it Will happen
@@gloriainesospina3320 I hope it's nit heavily tipped in kings favor, it'd be interesting of they were equal in power so they both had to be on their toes
I don't think that fight would be fair. King is at an extreme physical disadvantage. The collector was able to stop Bellos (who was able to shake the Titan skull) with 2 fingers. Even if His sonic shout could depower him It wouldn't be able to damage or kill him, and he'd be one tapped like belos.
@@shahinmotamedi654 king Will not harm the collector
@@shahinmotamedi654 king is stronger than belos
I imagined jacob from the museum beeing trapped inside a jug and all of the colectors are just watching him
2:06 I think the larger titan here in this tapestry is a Titan Trapper. Because looking at the baby Titans and the other Titans, they're all depicted with red eyes whereas the Collectors have yellow eyes. And the yellow eyed Titan is seen fighting the red eyed Titans, which doesn't make sense since you'd think all the Titans would work together against the Collectors. That's my thought. The reason why the Trapper would have yellow eyes could be to show that they're aligned with the Collectors
King Has Yellow Eyes like The collector
@@gloriainesospina3320 I'm talking about in the tapestries in the background, not actually King and Collector irl. I can tell Collector and King both have yellow eyes
Triptics are references to past present and future,
the collector that captures eda has an obsession with scrolls: (perpetrator: the past/making records/documentation/archives/scroll sanctuaries which are an old-timey way of cultivating information) (present would just over see while future would be in wait for what’s to come : speculation)
The triptics show 3collectors overseeing the planet dutifully. The small-collector on the side not paying attention.
Yet he’s still there overseeing the planet as well. So what is his role if not time/space?
The small collector represents gravity. Having the ability to move the planetary systems and pull the soil from the earth to the sky, or bend light (he can’t however escape reflections as it’s a realm that lacks gravity, and he can not control the light reflecting off an object while also acting as the objects center of gravity/physicality.)
the planet the time-collectors oversee is controlled by the titan who uses the earth and generates new materials/waste. It’s not something that is asexually reproducing it evolves through consumption/creation/reproduction.
There’s 4 collectors depicted with signs above them representing: water, earth, air, fire. They show the collector the interesting elements that exist on this planet (resources/examples of energy/life with unique physicality and composition, of which he can manipulate the gravity of)
The past-collector goes to the planet to document. And captures a female owl-like creature: Titian is alone and the egg is only fathered while the mother is away.
The life forms on the planet notice the change/missing creatures, the titan (king of creatures becomes defensive) and protects his egg while other creatures go missing.
A tall collector battles against the titan who is protecting an egg. Small-collector goes with him while playing (not understanding the role that they have to cleanse the earth and given a demonstration of war first hand)
The battle between the two is a tie the past collector is missing while the Titian is killed: the egg is abandoned. The small-collector is abandoned. The small collector can not get back to the rest of the collectors and hides in a cave.
The egg hatches in the cave.
The collector is surrounded by small Titian king.
Together they play with dolls that the two create together out of rocks and muck around them.
King is an infant who controls these dolls with commands (disrupting the air), while the small-collector can manipulate them (gravity/physicality) to play along.
King is too small to remember any of this.
The collector is found at some point by bellos who convinces/traps him.
Bellos creates the titan-hunters who attack wild magic/monsters and sacrifice them.
Small-collector is trapped in mirrors/controlled by bellos
King is found by eda/the owl beast (eda and sister dynamics happen over the course that wild magic is being destroyed and belos’s rise to power)
Now we go back to the current episode.
The collector still wants to play and sleep in a small room alone with king, he wants to share toys and make the whole world their playground so that they don’t have to be stuck on an island in a sealed room made by kings father.
King who has grown up and doesn’t remember this thinks the collector is crazy and childish even tho at the beginning of the series this would have been exactly what appealed to king. (Playing games controlling people and making rules/commands: think of his little stuff animal army’s)
And speaking of Francois king sets a rule with the collector, no you can not hold him or touch him I do not allow that. And the collector listens and respects those wishes. When king sneaks off to see eda/Lilith/hootsifer the collector doesn’t exclaim ‘he’s breaking the rules/not playing with me/betraying me. He doesn’t care that they’re free/plotting something it might be part of the game king has made. It’s only when the collector realizes this might not be a game and he might be tricked and killed does he become defensive.
The collector plays games because that’s more fun and it’s nice to make friends: he doesn’t want to be in a battle or witness a battle or try and scorch the earth and perish like the past collector or like the past titians. Especially not after knowing them personally (he’s grown up with king. He knows every single person on the planet that he’s transformed into a doll. They’re playing house atm)
This has some holes, The Collector specifically said that a Titan trapped him.
@@karlthorkildson4650 when the collector/small collector fight the Titian on Titans island king is kept inside the building sealed, we see the small collector in a mural trapped surrounded by king. Inferred: the collector/king were both kept in the same sealed location until it was opened by outside forces.
No one knows the island exists except Eda who had flown to it out of instinct. (We see the owl beast escape the collector attempting to fly in a direction before falling into the sea: attempting to reach an island out of instinct)
Eda finds king all alone and safe. This is years after bellos reign/the coven systems which we know he has used the collector at this time: both with establishing the hunters wearing titan skulls and the eradication of wild magic/monsters with the ‘turn them to stone’ on public display aspects.
The collector was found by belos first who thought he wasn’t wild magic but external force/godlike and manipulated him
King was found by eda and raised as a son. He had to learn with each new friend how to be a better person/leader until he is where he’s at now.
Collector isolated wanting friends abused by a father like figure: king isolated wanting friends under threat from belos’s rulings had to stay hidden with Eda out of persecution.
Only with Luz becoming their friends were they able to break out of this cycle and uncover truths about the world. Luz listens to king and tries to negotiate and understand leading her back to the egg-island where their understanding of the world/friendship really grows.
In this finale it is king vs collector, in what can be a mimic of the prior war except neither party willingly wants to fight is unanimous that both sides wish to play games and have peace
in the season 2 codes we have
Seething Seas and Puppet Strings
He no Longer Dreams of Kings
As Above Rush Darkened Skies
as below his father lies
wich implies that king's dad *is* the boiling isles
so maybe that's his mom that got trapped in the in-betwen
or a part of king's father is on trapped in the in-betwen
I LOVE THIS EPISODE
So much happened and its really good
I really think that when the Collector is befriended, the Titan who is kings dad may have shown up and they talk and then the collector reveals about the other collectors looking down on him.
His own family despised him and abandoned him poor collector
if I'm being honest i think collectors simply left boiling isles, on paintings it's pretty much said that they ignored the collector so it's obvious they didn't care about his disappearance
I’d love a Collector miniseries
Same tbh
I don't think the collector is actually bad I think he's just being a kid and doesn't quite understand what he's doing
I hope dana will make a comic to explain more since it was sos hort
Hmm my theory it's possible that collector and the titans we're enemies perhaps when the collector took things to far and don't understand the rules or function of friendship so the titans must have imprisoned him and hide his mirror to make sure he'll never be realised again
The collector was never Taught the meaning of true friendship
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True but the way he's doing his own thing I can see why he was sealed away for hundreds of years
@@johnhayward998 king next to luz Will be redeemed
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Obviously belos is still the true main villain of the show
@@johnhayward998 exactly
Would there still be some dark past/corruption in the Demon Realm without Philip? I think so. Whereas the likes of Odalia, Boscha, Tibbles, etc were likely stemmed off Belos' influence, there's one I can think that wouldn't, and it's not the Collector but rather the Bat Queen.
Hers is being discarded by her owner; occurring thousands of years ago, so long before Philip, and this was S1 before Collectors existed in canon. If however she is connected to the Titans, perhaps Collectors could join there like with Philip's circleless magic and maybe even a couple celestial spells from S1 - Moonlight Conjurings and the Wailing Star.
A big question I have is wether the boiling isles titan is kings father, I thought that earlier in the seasons but now I’m rethinking it.
I think the titan in the in-between realm is king but from the future, trying to contact Luz to give her a major clue to defeat the collector. The episode is called for the future after all.
Very possible because of time pools, maybe he knows how they can spare the Collector or is at a power level that's more equal to him
2 things I randomly think of when Luz say she saw something in the inbetween realm when coming back to the Demon Realm. Either that COULD be King's father or that one guy who pretended to be King's father is there. I always thought it was funny how that nobody knew about the location place of where King was born, like not even the High Covens believe going as far as beyond the land of the Titan to check if they truly have seen every land that is the Demon Realm. Eda got lucky when trying to take cover from the acid rain.
What I'm curious is how will should Eda handle seeing the Collector while telling the inner owl beast curse to remain calm and not lash out of fear and anger. Eda could humor the kid similar to how she played with Luz, but only if she stayed in her witch form.
Look like we had our new theory about what happen to the titans and the collectors.
I think the collector amd king are kids from the former kinds
1:06 Moon from Fnaf
It was seen among the paintings in the mansion that the collector has a family... could it be that those supposed images of Luz possessed by the collector is actually that the collector has a sister identical to Luz?
Collectors have a physical form they don't need to possess someone
@Silver Wolf ah ok
is it possible that king and collector are siblings? the only similarities are that they are both kids and same eye color
They would be half brothers
Keep up the good work
There’s a alt reality in which the S3 wasn’t shortened, who wants to go there?
Aye!
also i would like to add where luz and the gang reentered the demon realm it looked like the place where eda found the portal to the demon realm wich could mean that this place was used long ago to use for demons and witches to go to the human realm and maybe bury their people their in gravesfield becaeuse of the name it was probably given by humans due to the graves that where there and also becaeuse the collectors where around at that time and to keep their familly safe they buried them there so that they can rest in peace whitout the collectors finding them
What if the collectors did scotch the air. That's how we have the boiling sea they just got used to breating the air coz u can't expect me to believe they some some extra organ connected to their heart and not be able to breath scortched air
2:05 I'm pretty sure the "titan" in the background is actually a titan trapper. The Archivists probably got the trappers to help them in their quest to get rid of the titans
I don't think they will kill the collecter maybe just get him a permanent friend to play with
4:14 dude that could be his spirt
What happened to the Collector and King's moms? Is it presumed they're both dead
can glyphs magic affect the collector since it comes from the Titan ???
Only Titanic Magic can affect the collector
@@gloriainesospina3320 We know of at least one symbol that affects Collectors, unknown if it's derived from a glyph combo. What was on the doors and ceiling/air vent of King 's nursery place, is a spell for 'permanent invisibility only to Collectors specifically'.
I thought that the "long beard" titan was really a titan-trapper or in this case, a Collector in disguise. And while In think that the "In-Between" guy is probably a titan or King's father, I think that it could be a titan trapper. They would look like a titan and would recognize Luz.
Also, why does the guy have wings??? No one on the short list of options has wings!!!
The Collector was most likely there when the war between the Collectors and Titans happened and as a result he became traumatized ‘cause he possibly thought the other Collectors were to be trusted until they killed the Titans then he was trapped and when he was released he wanted to have new friends but Belos had betrayed him and now he thinks King had tricked him. Overall he’s not truly an antagonist just a misguided and confused character.
Most likely the Collectors have been wiped out by the Titans. Seeing as a Collector, one of their own, is making a mess in the Boiling Isles for months and haven’t went and took care of the problem. They make it a habit to not let themselves be known to the mortal realms
Now we're going to have to wait till Spring, and I think that in the final episode, we're going to see the Titans and what happened
Are you gonna do a regular run-down for For the Future?
Actually the Collector was written because of the shortening
You're correct. Didn't actually see any of their posts about this until it was pointed out to me in the comments and I looked into it. Ty for letting me know :D
i honestly think its a titan trapper because the guy is pretty tiny looking and he looks a lot like a titan trapper too
i heard someone say that the “titan” or whoever it was in the in between realm was king from the future
i don’t know if it could be true or not but it’s definitely a cool theory
One thing I'm curious about is the Owl-beast. I understand that the Collectors do what they do, at least in their minds, to preserve unique life forms to keep a species from being wiped out. At least unless said species fights back or otherwise annoys them. The Collector in the beast's memory traps it and eventually binds it in scroll form. Fine, I understand this as well: personally I think each Collector had a unique way of "preserving" a target, perhaps something that aligned with that collector's personality. Kid Collector is a free-spirited child with a desire for friendship; so he preserves creatures in the forms of seemingly indestructible toys or puppets; maybe the one that sealed the beast was one who craved knowledge above all, and kept his collection in a massive library or something? IDK. What really confuses me is how Lilith finding that same scroll allowed her to: 1) force the beast to bond with Eda in the form of a curse, and bind it to Eda's magic, if not her soul completely? 2) Split the curse between herself and Eda later in life? 3) Profit?
Also this just occurred to me: light glyphs being able to nerf the Owl-Beast makes a bit more sense now. Titan magic can no-sell Collector magic, so theoretically: Luz's magic is harnessing the magic of the Boiling Isles, the magic of the Titan; and could work to quell the curse aspects of the scroll that the beast was sealed in. I know King says it's because black-eyed demons are light sensitive, but after seeing how a simple light glyph was able to free the gang from puppet form or from the mind whammy Kid Collector put on them, it does give some ground to my theory. I don't have a good explanation why the light glyph didn't work on Lilith during "Keeping up Afearances" though. Only thing I can think of is that she was so agitated that her inner beast couldn't be suppressed so easily. That or because her form is less light sensitive or more feral since this is their first transformation compared to Eda whose been dealing with it for 20 years.
I think the Archivist who captured the owl beast was the actual Great huntsmen, the titan trappers may be worshiping the wrong archivist
Does anyone get reinded of Fat Buu when first introduced to the Collector ?
Wasn't it confirmed in the show that King is the son of the boiling isles?
Bro it's pretty obvious that the collector was exited and shaking because of how cute the baby titans r in the painting
Do you think if king egg and he doesn’t have a mother that mean it could be possible that one of the collectors collectors was friends with a titan and they had a kid and that was king that’s why he’s parking the collectors are like queens the Titans are the kings that would make him prince or a king😮
I think that Titan was a Titan trapper the one at King saw was his dad because I felt bad for King
The boiling isles I guess is like a titan cemetery wiping em all out and ending them
Ok love everything in the video but the fact that he kept saying that kings dad is still alive is not true because king is called the son of the boiling isles by bill and luz in “oh titan where art thou” and in “edge of the world” which implies that he is the son of the titan that makes up the boiling isles.
5:25 that is not true King is at least 12 as in season 2 episode 8 his is having voice cracks that only really start at age 12 minimum and plus it would take more then a year for King to have turned from what he was when he just hatched to what Eda found him and judging by how many of his statues he made it would for sure take more then a year for a kid of that young to put that many together
My theory is that kings father sealed himself at the same time as the collector, like in po in kung fu panda 3.
Maybe the titan Luz saw in the in-between was kings sibling
What if the mysterious figure in the between was a sibling to King?
With the reality warping powers and the like I feel like it's more a Q/Squire of Gothos vibe.
Also the SNAPPING.
And Cosmic Frontier.
There are Continuum flags everywhere.
Would that put the Titians in place of the El Aurians then (considering how Q reacted to Guinan)
Maybe all the Collectors have the same va to indicate being the same race similar to gem types in SU?
I kind wonder how are collectors/titans born
The collector🤝💞💓🌜🌞🌘💫⭐🌙🌛🤝🦉💓👑💓🤝
Is flapjack Caleb's wife bcuz belos said goodbye Evelyn when killing flapjack.does this mean people turn into palismen
I feel sorry for God like entities they go through some real tough s***Bill cipher The collector kratos Thor atraeus let's see who else is there
Bill didn't go through anything bad though
@@rafkenjakistam3082 he lost his mind because of being in his own reality
Pretty sure the boiling isles is King's dad bro 😂. Good video though.
What if King's nursery was a jail made by the titan trappers?
I dont believe the lanky titan is kings dad as why would there be a mural of an enemy titan and king even calls the boiling isles dad, another piece of evidence is that the lengthy titan looks a lot like the titan from the other side of the world (which was what I thought when I saw the series) so it can't be kings dad
Can we just nickname our collectore colle? Pronounced col
Not that healty of a freindship
what if the boiling Isles Titan is a collector in disguise
everone talks about kings dad what about his mom
My profile is king and text of adios
this might be a stretch, but what if the egg in the collector's murals wasn't king, but instead the titan we see in the in-between? because then if there was a younger titan alive around the same time as luz, then that could explain bill seeing a titan use it's WEH powers on him. the titan that blasted his eardrums couldn't be king because that power has only recently developed. plus, it's kinda weird how it took millions (or at least enough years it takes to build a new ecosystem on the boiling isles) of years for king's egg to hatch. the only thing i can't figure out is how king would come to be if the mural egg isn't him. maybe titans reproduce asexually? or maybe demon realm biology doesn't work the same as ours since people of the same gender can have a kid with both parent's attributes (willow's dads and boscha's moms.)
idk it's pretty interesting, and it would be fucking awesome if i predict it
The egg is king
@@gloriainesospina3320 it probably is king but it's still fun to speculate
30 mintyes ago!!
Do you still not talking about Luz palisman seriously you can't talk about
They stole that idea from Steven universe lol but I still love the show
lol collecors!!
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You must be _so_ proud of yourself for having the luck to be in the right place in the right time, to leave such a comment, declaring to the world that your comment is "first" on such an insignificant video.
@@Viatorus0YES!
@@Viatorus0 im sure that took you a lot longer to write than "first"
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agian the yellow thing is like a force ghost of kings fother witch is most likly still the main island saying as its the most important and king also greets hi as he returns frum i think the titan traper episode