I saw Jemar speak in Dayton,Ohio today, Sept. 8th and he woke a deadened place in my heart. I too have been hurting for the last 8 years and lost trust in the church and at times God. I never gave up the Christ values and I am slowly finding my faith that God is with me. Thank you Jemar for your wonderful message here and at the church today.
I'm so glad I found this series. I haven't felt at home in my church in a long time because of dominance of white evangelicalism and white nationalism even within my predominately black church
Same here. It’s hard to find a church home here in boondocks, AR. One church around the corner has a Dixie flag waving on the pole. That’s my sign right there to “do not enter”
Thanks for this interview. Tisby is a very impressive , inspirational man. If US Christianity had his understanding /faith, what a better place this would be.
Man, I can relate to this brotha!! From church hurt, to my seminary education, and looking to the history of Black liberation theology and the Civil Rights Movement. If I had Jemar's phone number, the conversations we could have as believers. Sadly, I have not been in a regular church in 15 years and I actually miss it. :(
As a white woman who is close to turning 60, one would think I would have little in common with Tisby's overall experience. While I sympthasize with his experiences regarding predominately white Christian spaces and am truly dismayed with how he was treated, I was amazed how much I connected (empathsized) with Tisby's comments about being hurt by the church, struggling with prayer and reading the Bible, the reasons for leaving the church, and doing one's own research to figure out a new way forward. It was if he had just described my own journey. Thank you Holy Post for this interview. It was a good reminder that our experiences can have both differences and similarities with someone with whom we would asssume only differences. We can connect with the similarities while seeking understanding of the differences.
It's definitely been eye-opening and soul-shaking to see the corruption of the church I was raised in. So many who taught me to reed the word and think about the word and act in acordance with it only to be rejected when i followed it and questioned why they werent.
Jemar Tisby is one of my favorite guests on Holy Post. I have learned so much from his interviews, podcasts, books, and lectures. I can't tell you how much this interview means to me. I'm sorry he's gone through so much.
I am such a huge fan of Dr. Tisby. I heard him speak at a church in mpls. in 2019 and it changed my life. He changed the way I think, particularly about history and how it's not a thing of the past but it's interwoven in the present. Much like the film The Arrival where the aliens change Amy Addams way of thinking, that's what Jamar Tisby did for me. Many thanks to Dr. Tisby.
Thank you for this post. I 100% relate to Mr. Tisby who struggles with reading the Bible and prayer. I am also still strugung with hurt from the church in relationships.
Jemar, when you talked about Jesus’ goodness being the reason you are still a Christian, I got goosebumps. With Peter, I say, “Jesus, You alone hold the words of life. Where else would I go?”
Thank you to Holy Post and each person interviewed for this series. My heart/faith/walk has been wounded by the realization that many I trusted when they said to watch out for situational ethics, to seek justice, love mercy, to walk in the light as He is in the light...they didn't mean doing those things when it comes to racial justice, politics, finances...just the things they had put into their box/doctrine that kept them comfortably racist, zenophobic, jingoistic, and monitarily wealthy compared to most of the world. I feel betrayed. I must, as Mr. Tisby says, hold to Jesus and who he is, how he lived, what he taught.
Jamar, your story mirrors my own. I delved deeply into history, saw a perversion of Christ's word being preached everywhere, viewed racism as wickedness, read over and over in scripture God's heart for the poor, the needy, the marginalized, the immigrant or refugee. His attitude at wealthy hoarders, and His refusal to grasp political power. I was a young teen when MLK was organizing, marching, causing "good trouble" as John Lewis stated. I read volumes of Holocaust survivors accounts, bonded deeply with Biblical justice. The first song I ever learned was" Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Red, brown, yellow, balck, and white, they are precious in His sight,Jesus lives the little children of the world." I was a Navy brat, living in Naval housing for half of my childhood. My friends were multi racial,and I thought nothing of it. We happily played together. Then my father was transfered to Arizona from Southern California. This was in 1959. I was in the forth grade. The schools were segregated. The Mexicans were farm laborers living in mud huts along the canal ditches. The black folks lived ten miles down a dirt track in an unimaginable shanty town. I saw it with my own eyes and was horrified and ashamed. This was all wrong. It was evil. Moving back to California, we moved into a housing tract, via a GI loan, which was red lined. All I saw were kids and families like myself, White. From then on, my schools and neighborhoods were white only, which sickened me. I joined the counter culture of the 60's , protested, boycotted, marched, sang the songs. I had an encounter with Jesus in 1971. He became my everything. I expected the church to know the scriptures, to fight for truth, justice, equality, to love ones neighbor as oneself. The reality I encountered fell far short. Fast forward to 2015 when Trump rode down his gaudy escalator, and the premonition of darkness engulfed me. Everything about the man repulsed me. To my shock, the church I attended were wildly enthusiastic. What? Why? How? When I spoke out my concerns and deep misgivings I was rebuked. The night of the 2016 election, I watched the results come in. The Lird spoke clearly to me and said," The Little Horn with the big boastful words will win." I wept. I knew the reference found in Daniel Ch. 7 and 9. Covid hit, the church I attended went MAGA nuts, I was called a Marxist, a Lib, Pure evil, Woke. Whatever. I left and flew solo for a long time. The Holy Post became a home for me, and others like yourself, Jamar. Anthea Butler, Isabell Wilkerson, Kristin DuMez, Jeff Sharlet, all helped me connect the dots. It was only a few months back I found sweet fellowship with a community church of a largely black and Latino population. I have never felt more comfortable. The teaching sound, no politics, just Jesus. I will pray for you. God keep and continue to lead you in your journey. You are following in the footsteps of others who have become spiritual refugees.
I left a majority white church during the Obama administration….during that time i experienced people who I thought loved the Lord called a black man the Anti-christ and blacks did not “know” any better that is why so many are voting for Obama. it became very clear they were more concerned with politics rather then being concerned with Jesus. At that time I was new to Christianity and to this day I love Jesus but please be careful that some of these people that claim to love Jesus are wolves in sheep’s clothing 😢in many white churches 😢
Agreed. One thing that has been happening is that He is revealing character through the politics and Covid-whether one loves his neighbor as himself. Pray with faith for white Christians to be deprogrammed by the Holy Spirit until real repentance comes.
Agreed. One thing that has been happening is that He is revealing character through the politics and Covid-whether one loves his neighbor as himself. Pray with faith for white Christians to be deprogrammed by the Holy Spirit until real repentance comes.
Jesus mentioned that believers should not wrap themselves in the affairs of this world. As a black man I know that Jesus wants me to be with him in his kingdom. But His kingdom is NOT of this world. Whether it's Obama, Joe Biden, even Donald Trump which one of these men are pushing the kingdom of God and living lives of holiness? The church should be concerned with advancing God's kingdom, and not the devil's. For He said to those who thought they were believers in GOD, "Ye are of your father...the devil."
Jemar is so correct about what some Christian Colleges and Universities are taking to appear to NOT be Woke. My own graduate school, Regent University's Robertson School of Government as fully embraced Christian Nationalism.
Jemar, you stated that you are not part of a local church and have just recently started praying and reading the Bible again. Accordingly, was there a time in your story when you found yourself looking far more readily to sources other than scripture, the local church/fellow embodied believers, and prayer? If so, what were you looking to?
This was painful to watch, but I made it. As my grandmother would say, "Bless his wittle heart!" Phil's snarky elitism (and virtue signaling) about Refomred Seminary notwithstanding why did he not call out Jemar's own racism? Reformed Seminary was good to Jemar and sought to train and teach this young man. He repeatedly and publically calls devoted followers of Christ "racists." He decided there weren't enough black people who - by their own choice - didn't choose RTS as their seminary (they weren't blocked... give me a break). Add to that Jackson, MS is, per capita, the murder capital of the world with a shallow pool of candidates. So as long as a Seminary advocates for Christianity saturated with Marxism (a philosophy responsible for more death in the 20th century than any other) its legit? Rev. Cone is a poseur and wannabe thinker who copped Latin Marxism. Liberation Theology is a grievous heresy rightly rejected by many including ethnicities across the board. Tisby's mysticism is firmly planted in mid-air. Vids like this do nothing for ethnic reconciliation (there is only one race as we are all decedents from Adam). My mother marched with Dr. King and happily worshiped in a majority Black church for years becuase of authenticity and adherence to the truth. BLM (whose corrupt leaders took the money and ran) was further evidence of the problem: race hustling and shake downs. Oh, I am NOT a Trump or Harris suporter. They are both idiots. But I am Refomed and taught at a majority Black seminary. The students loved the doctrine of election and the "Penal Substitutionary" theory and that they, like me, are elect of God. They didn't join the race hustlers cashing in on unending grievences. Had Africans fled religious persecution as Christians we'd be having a different conversation. But they were anamists and mystics that those horrible Southerners often led to Christ. I will agree that the American church still has a lot to do in ethnic revival and worship. But vids like this only exacerbate the problems.
Respectfully, with regards towards diversity, I can oralize with my cacaisan, lgbtq, Latino, Asian, African American, Hearing and Visual Imppeared Friends My Deaf friends have the most driest and Best Jokes. (Omaha N.E.) 🌽✨🌽✨🌽✨
Cool story for him but religious life clearly doesn’t work out this well for everyone. Also his language centers around race so much that he seems traumatized by his past experiences. And for good reason!This gentleman has maximized his moral and social understanding through religion, but religion also limits further growth.
Social/ political issues should never be the mission of the church. The role of the church is to preach the gospel and make disciples. Mixing politics and church never ends well and those that take the path of "social justice" usually leave christianity or at a minimum end up embracing the sinful heresy of progressive christianity, which is no christianity at all.
So tell that to the prophets of the OT and John the Baptist and Jesus! Maybe they were were inspired by a false God? Or the truncated gospel of much white evangelicalism is deficient or heretical?
So you're cool with gay marriage and abortion, right? At the very least, you don't think it's the church's place to legislate on them or use political means to influence policy related to them?
God loves Justice and he loves the poor and the broken. While I don't particularly think Churches should be saying that a person should vote for any particular politician, the church should absolutely be interest in physically improving the lives of the communities around them. Read James!, read the words of Jesus. He fed their souls but he also fed their bodies. He didn't just preach, he also healed. If your church is doing nothing but gathering to sing hyms or hold a Christian rock concert every Sunday, and then going home, they aren't acting like Jesus.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220It is not for Christians to tell non-Christians how to live. Jesus warned us “Do not lord it over others like the Gentiles do!” The authoritarian urge has grown strong in recent years and it does not come from Christ.
I’m sorry, but I don’t buy it. He has disavowed the Evangelical label. He has called himself a “none.” I think I’ve even heard him say on a podcast that he wasn’t at all sure he was a Christian any more. He’s been unapologetically “woke” since at least 2017. So he’s being completely disingenuous about Grove City. Sorry. Don’t believe him. He’s constantly changing his story depending on his audience. I used to be impressed long, long ago. But now I’m over him.
He’s not Evangelical. He’s a JESUS CHRIST follower. If you can’t tell the difference, recheck what or who you’re following. PS: “Woke” is African American curated phraseology that was stolen and weaponized by the Right.
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I saw Jemar speak in Dayton,Ohio today, Sept. 8th and he woke a deadened place in my heart. I too have been hurting for the last 8 years and lost trust in the church and at times God. I never gave up the Christ values and I am slowly finding my faith that God is with me. Thank you Jemar for your wonderful message here and at the church today.
I'm so glad I found this series. I haven't felt at home in my church in a long time because of dominance of white evangelicalism and white nationalism even within my predominately black church
Same here. It’s hard to find a church home here in boondocks, AR. One church around the corner has a Dixie flag waving on the pole. That’s my sign right there to “do not enter”
Thanks for this interview. Tisby is a very impressive , inspirational man. If US Christianity had his understanding /faith, what a better place this would be.
Man, I can relate to this brotha!! From church hurt, to my seminary education, and looking to the history of Black liberation theology and the Civil Rights Movement. If I had Jemar's phone number, the conversations we could have as believers. Sadly, I have not been in a regular church in 15 years and I actually miss it. :(
As a white woman who is close to turning 60, one would think I would have little in common with Tisby's overall experience. While I sympthasize with his experiences regarding predominately white Christian spaces and am truly dismayed with how he was treated, I was amazed how much I connected (empathsized) with Tisby's comments about being hurt by the church, struggling with prayer and reading the Bible, the reasons for leaving the church, and doing one's own research to figure out a new way forward. It was if he had just described my own journey. Thank you Holy Post for this interview. It was a good reminder that our experiences can have both differences and similarities with someone with whom we would asssume only differences. We can connect with the similarities while seeking understanding of the differences.
100% - I'm a white woman in my late 50's experiencing those same things.
same.
It's definitely been eye-opening and soul-shaking to see the corruption of the church I was raised in. So many who taught me to reed the word and think about the word and act in acordance with it only to be rejected when i followed it and questioned why they werent.
Jemar Tisby is one of my favorite guests on Holy Post. I have learned so much from his interviews, podcasts, books, and lectures. I can't tell you how much this interview means to me. I'm sorry he's gone through so much.
I am such a huge fan of Dr. Tisby. I heard him speak at a church in mpls. in 2019 and it changed my life. He changed the way I think, particularly about history and how it's not a thing of the past but it's interwoven in the present. Much like the film The Arrival where the aliens change Amy Addams way of thinking, that's what Jamar Tisby did for me. Many thanks to Dr. Tisby.
Jemar is a remarkable man of God
Thank you for this post. I 100% relate to Mr. Tisby who struggles with reading the Bible and prayer. I am also still strugung with hurt from the church in relationships.
Jemar, when you talked about Jesus’ goodness being the reason you are still a Christian, I got goosebumps. With Peter, I say, “Jesus, You alone hold the words of life. Where else would I go?”
Slaveholder Christianity is proof that different Gods have always been served, as the real Jesus made clear in Matt. 7:21-23.
I soooooo identify with emotional difficulty if retuning to prayer and reading the Bible. I appreciate your story.
Thank you to Holy Post and each person interviewed for this series. My heart/faith/walk has been wounded by the realization that many I trusted when they said to watch out for situational ethics, to seek justice, love mercy, to walk in the light as He is in the light...they didn't mean doing those things when it comes to racial justice, politics, finances...just the things they had put into their box/doctrine that kept them comfortably racist, zenophobic, jingoistic, and monitarily wealthy compared to most of the world. I feel betrayed. I must, as Mr. Tisby says, hold to Jesus and who he is, how he lived, what he taught.
Jamar, your story mirrors my own. I delved deeply into history, saw a perversion of Christ's word being preached everywhere, viewed racism as wickedness, read over and over in scripture God's heart for the poor, the needy, the marginalized, the immigrant or refugee. His attitude at wealthy hoarders, and His refusal to grasp political power. I was a young teen when MLK was organizing, marching, causing "good trouble" as John Lewis stated. I read volumes of Holocaust survivors accounts, bonded deeply with Biblical justice. The first song I ever learned was" Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Red, brown, yellow, balck, and white, they are precious in His sight,Jesus lives the little children of the world." I was a Navy brat, living in Naval housing for half of my childhood. My friends were multi racial,and I thought nothing of it. We happily played together. Then my father was transfered to Arizona from Southern California. This was in 1959. I was in the forth grade. The schools were segregated. The Mexicans were farm laborers living in mud huts along the canal ditches. The black folks lived ten miles down a dirt track in an unimaginable shanty town. I saw it with my own eyes and was horrified and ashamed. This was all wrong. It was evil. Moving back to California, we moved into a housing tract, via a GI loan, which was red lined. All I saw were kids and families like myself, White. From then on, my schools and neighborhoods were white only, which sickened me. I joined the counter culture of the 60's , protested, boycotted, marched, sang the songs. I had an encounter with Jesus in 1971. He became my everything. I expected the church to know the scriptures, to fight for truth, justice, equality, to love ones neighbor as oneself. The reality I encountered fell far short. Fast forward to 2015 when Trump rode down his gaudy escalator, and the premonition of darkness engulfed me. Everything about the man repulsed me. To my shock, the church I attended were wildly enthusiastic. What? Why? How? When I spoke out my concerns and deep misgivings I was rebuked. The night of the 2016 election, I watched the results come in. The Lird spoke clearly to me and said," The Little Horn with the big boastful words will win." I wept. I knew the reference found in Daniel Ch. 7 and 9. Covid hit, the church I attended went MAGA nuts, I was called a Marxist, a Lib, Pure evil, Woke. Whatever. I left and flew solo for a long time. The Holy Post became a home for me, and others like yourself, Jamar. Anthea Butler, Isabell Wilkerson, Kristin DuMez, Jeff Sharlet, all helped me connect the dots. It was only a few months back I found sweet fellowship with a community church of a largely black and Latino population. I have never felt more comfortable. The teaching sound, no politics, just Jesus. I will pray for you. God keep and continue to lead you in your journey. You are following in the footsteps of others who have become spiritual refugees.
This is so sad to hear of the spiritual, church, and human trauma he has endured 🙏❤ we American Christians need to do better
Thank you for pointing the affects on physical health Brother Tisby.
We love Dr JT! Can I say that?! Thank you for this.
I left a majority white church during the Obama administration….during that time i experienced people who I thought loved the Lord called a black man the Anti-christ and blacks did not “know” any better that is why so many are voting for Obama. it became very clear they were more concerned with politics rather then being concerned with Jesus. At that time I was new to Christianity and to this day I love Jesus but please be careful that some of these people that claim to love Jesus are wolves in sheep’s clothing 😢in many white churches 😢
Jesus mentioned these 'wolves in sheeps clothing' in Matt. 7:21-23
Agreed. One thing that has been happening is that He is revealing character through the politics and Covid-whether one loves his neighbor as himself. Pray with faith for white Christians to be deprogrammed by the Holy Spirit until real repentance comes.
Agreed. One thing that has been happening is that He is revealing character through the politics and Covid-whether one loves his neighbor as himself. Pray with faith for white Christians to be deprogrammed by the Holy Spirit until real repentance comes.
Jesus mentioned that believers should not wrap themselves in the affairs of this world. As a black man I know that Jesus wants me to be with him in his kingdom. But His kingdom is NOT of this world. Whether it's Obama, Joe Biden, even Donald Trump which one of these men are pushing the kingdom of God and living lives of holiness? The church should be concerned with advancing God's kingdom, and not the devil's. For He said to those who thought they were believers in GOD, "Ye are of your father...the devil."
Very encouraging word!
Keep up the good work HP.
We are invested in Racial Justice here in Pennslvannia, and we worship at PCA congregations. Shout out to Philly.
Jemar is so correct about what some Christian Colleges and Universities are taking to appear to NOT be Woke. My own graduate school, Regent University's Robertson School of Government as fully embraced Christian Nationalism.
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I think we're hitting the right topics and cords.😅😅😅
Jesus alone validates!
I’d love to be able to view the chapel service at GCC. Does anyone have a link?
Good to learn about Jemar. Thanks for this interview. Sorry racism persists so badly amongst White Christians like me.
Jemar, you stated that you are not part of a local church and have just recently started praying and reading the Bible again.
Accordingly, was there a time in your story when you found yourself looking far more readily to sources other than scripture, the local church/fellow embodied believers, and prayer? If so, what were you looking to?
This was painful to watch, but I made it. As my grandmother would say, "Bless his wittle heart!" Phil's snarky elitism (and virtue signaling) about Refomred Seminary notwithstanding why did he not call out Jemar's own racism? Reformed Seminary was good to Jemar and sought to train and teach this young man. He repeatedly and publically calls devoted followers of Christ "racists." He decided there weren't enough black people who - by their own choice - didn't choose RTS as their seminary (they weren't blocked... give me a break). Add to that Jackson, MS is, per capita, the murder capital of the world with a shallow pool of candidates. So as long as a Seminary advocates for Christianity saturated with Marxism (a philosophy responsible for more death in the 20th century than any other) its legit? Rev. Cone is a poseur and wannabe thinker who copped Latin Marxism. Liberation Theology is a grievous heresy rightly rejected by many including ethnicities across the board. Tisby's mysticism is firmly planted in mid-air. Vids like this do nothing for ethnic reconciliation (there is only one race as we are all decedents from Adam). My mother marched with Dr. King and happily worshiped in a majority Black church for years becuase of authenticity and adherence to the truth. BLM (whose corrupt leaders took the money and ran) was further evidence of the problem: race hustling and shake downs. Oh, I am NOT a Trump or Harris suporter. They are both idiots. But I am Refomed and taught at a majority Black seminary. The students loved the doctrine of election and the "Penal Substitutionary" theory and that they, like me, are elect of God. They didn't join the race hustlers cashing in on unending grievences. Had Africans fled religious persecution as Christians we'd be having a different conversation. But they were anamists and mystics that those horrible Southerners often led to Christ. I will agree that the American church still has a lot to do in ethnic revival and worship. But vids like this only exacerbate the problems.
Why did you leave the PCA?
Respectfully, with regards towards diversity, I can oralize with my cacaisan, lgbtq, Latino, Asian, African American, Hearing and Visual Imppeared Friends My Deaf friends have the most driest and Best Jokes.
(Omaha N.E.)
🌽✨🌽✨🌽✨
Cool story for him but religious life clearly doesn’t work out this well for everyone. Also his language centers around race so much that he seems traumatized by his past experiences. And for good reason!This gentleman has maximized his moral and social understanding through religion, but religion also limits further growth.
Social/ political issues should never be the mission of the church. The role of the church is to preach the gospel and make disciples.
Mixing politics and church never ends well and those that take the path of "social justice" usually leave christianity or at a minimum end up embracing the sinful heresy of progressive christianity, which is no christianity at all.
So tell that to the prophets of the OT and John the Baptist and Jesus! Maybe they were were inspired by a false God? Or the truncated gospel of much white evangelicalism is deficient or heretical?
So you're cool with gay marriage and abortion, right? At the very least, you don't think it's the church's place to legislate on them or use political means to influence policy related to them?
God loves Justice and he loves the poor and the broken. While I don't particularly think Churches should be saying that a person should vote for any particular politician, the church should absolutely be interest in physically improving the lives of the communities around them. Read James!, read the words of Jesus. He fed their souls but he also fed their bodies. He didn't just preach, he also healed. If your church is doing nothing but gathering to sing hyms or hold a Christian rock concert every Sunday, and then going home, they aren't acting like Jesus.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220It is not for Christians to tell non-Christians how to live. Jesus warned us “Do not lord it over others like the Gentiles do!” The authoritarian urge has grown strong in recent years and it does not come from Christ.
@@markdouglas8073exactly.
I’m sorry, but I don’t buy it. He has disavowed the Evangelical label. He has called himself a “none.” I think I’ve even heard him say on a podcast that he wasn’t at all sure he was a Christian any more. He’s been unapologetically “woke” since at least 2017. So he’s being completely disingenuous about Grove City. Sorry. Don’t believe him. He’s constantly changing his story depending on his audience. I used to be impressed long, long ago. But now I’m over him.
He’s not Evangelical. He’s a JESUS CHRIST follower. If you can’t tell the difference, recheck what or who you’re following.
PS: “Woke” is African American curated phraseology that was stolen and weaponized by the Right.