Well he is random in the context of the story, you may introduce the most important person in the world if you don't give him context it becomes random.
@@nathr94 Yeah but Glorfindel shows up once is implied to be pretty important and then is never seen/mentioned again after Rivendell. He could be literally any other elf which is why all movies adaptions replaced him.
13:25 - one reason why Gandalf in the movie might have pronounced the the elvish word for 'friend' as 'meth-lon' - is because Tolkien had said that the Welsh language was a heavy influence on his development of the elvish language. In Welsh, the double L is pronounced as a simultaneous TH + L sound (put the tip of your tongue up to the roof of your mouth and give a quick, short blow around the sides of your tongue). Hence: 'mellon' would be assumed to be pronounced as a Welsh word 'meth-lon'. The Silmarillion (published in 1977) included the first pronuciation guide to Tolkien's world and although Bakshi's film was released in 1978, it is unlikely his team were aware that there was actually no requirement for the 'LL' to be Welsh (they would have been working on the movie well before the book's publication). Further evidence of this lack of pronunciation etiquette is given later in the movie, when Galadriel pronounces 'Celeborn' with a soft C (i.e. sell-e-born) instead of the hard C (keleborn) that was specified in the Silmarillion guide.
Yes, pre production was finished before The Silmarillion was released. Also, I have always heard Gandalf in this film as saying: MeHllon, this may have been Bakshi's producers, who decided that it needed more of a kick so that it didn't sound like melon 😳 😬 While Bakshi was absent they also changed Saruman to Aruman, so when he returned to screenings he was furious and didn't have the budget to call the voice actors back to re-loop the scenes with the 'S intact.
Yeah that's right C3PO Human Siborg relations. Say do you know what version of My immortal he plays after he said that this cartoon doesn't even have sad music for Gandalf's death? I know it's a cover but I love it. The chick in the cover sings way beter then the actual lady that sings it.
I never understood why Bilbo's face turned so strangely demonic. I literally don't know how it was physically possible. To that scene's credit though, Ian Holm knocks that scene out of the park! He conveys such grief and remorse that is so incredibly convincing because let's be honest, he is so likeable that due to his personality he feels almost like he's not just Frodo's dear uncle, but the viewer's as well.
@@adrianaslund8605 Fair point :) I guess for me it's less why does his face change and more so why doesn't it stay that way? I know, weird question to ask, but that's just how my brain progresses. One dumb question is followed by another weirder and/or dumber one lol
@@loneronin6813 In the books, when Frodo curses Gollum, Sam appears to see them on something like a spiritual level. You can interpret this scene as something similar.
@@Mamenber It's been so long since I've read the books that I've forgotten so much of their content and having watched the movies as much as I have hasn't helped matters, so I really appreciate the refresher. I hope that you're doing well and having a great day! :)
Can anyone tell me who sings that version of My Immortal he used? I looked on RUclips threw some covers but can't find that particular version. I like that chick's voice. Or perhaps he just pitch shifted the actual song?
Ah,the random elf Glorfindel,the one so unimportant that the black riders only fought him when they were together cause they otherwise got their asses kicked
I mean, Tolkien did put at least one evil woman in a position of power. Thuringwethil was a vampire in service of Morgoth as a messenger or something. Not much is known though.
"Jesus christ Frodo, you're really about to deck your uncle when he's having a grand mal seizure??" I have been laughing at Frodo's reaction in that scene since I was a kid, I'm so happy someone else found it equally as ridiculous
The answer is Yes, yes, cartoon Frodo does not like disabled people. 😂😂😂 Kidding, guys. But, it sure looked like Frodo was about to deck his Uncle for having a stroke.
The Sindarin and Noldorin word for friend is "mellon". In Jacksons trilogy, Gandalf does say "mellon" but the pronunciation does make it sound like it's a little bit of a B rather than an M.
@@ignazioacerenza9881 I can understand that he misheard the word when watching the scene from the movie, but the fact that he didn't even look it up to check himself made me cringe XD.
The truly weird thing about this is that it almost seems like the voice actor tried pronouncing "mellon" as if it were Welsh, where LL stands for something close to what we hear here (a bit like HL or THL). While this is wrong for "mellon" it is true for other words with the same spelling, like "mallorn". So you could almost think that somebody here was way deep into Elvish phonetics, which I most seriously doubt (and I'm quite sure this aspect of Elvish pronunciation hadn't even been published when the film was made)...
10:13 - Elrond is not a typical elf; he is half elf and half human, so you would expect him to look more "mannish" than your average elf. (He is descended from the children of Beren and Luthien, and was given a choice between mortality and immortality. He chose to be immortal, while his brother Elros chose mortality and became a king of men. Elros was an ancestor of Aragorn, so he too is part elvish.)
I’m not convinced he’s even read the books because he makes a number of mistakes in these two videos that a person who’d only watched Jackson’s trilogy would make.
As someone who hasn't read the books and only has a surface-level knowledge of the movies idk man I think that given the time and resources available when this was made I say it's a pretty solid movie, it certainly has charm. But then again maybe I'm biased because I love animated movies too much That being said, that Legolas tho... y i k e s
Actually, Tolkien described Balrogs as a humanoid creatures of shadow and smoke/flame, lacking any wings and being only slightly taller than ordinary human. So more like 3-4m rather than 10 or so.
I don't think Tolkien specified the size of the Balrogs other than saying they were "of man-shape maybe, but greater." Also, while they lacked physical wings, they did have "wings" of encompassing shadow. Perhaps in Book of Lost Tales version of the legendarium they were only slightly bigger than an average man, but after Tolkien decided to give them a power buff I don't think he specified exactly how big they were.
Yes. This balrog looked ridiculous, but the Peter Jackson balrog got the Hollywood makeover and also looked ridiculous. It would have been nice to have done it with more taste and subtlety, rather than just looking like a giant cgi monster.
I never saw anything gay or romantic in Sam or Frodo's relationship even in the Jackson films, I always viewed their relationship more like that of brothers then anything else. Tolkien himself said he viewed Sam and Frodo's relationship to that of an officer and a batman.
(Sorry in advance for the long reply) I’ve always associated their type of relationship with the one I have with my sister, but honestly I wouldn’t blame anyone for interpreting them as gay, especially in the books. I think it’s just all the kissing and blushing and hand-holding and Sam thinking about how beautiful Frodo is and how much unconditional love he has for him just didn’t really age-not _not well_ but sort of incorrectly ig-bc our world progressed in a way where that’s considered not masculine enough, so people instinctively start to associate it with feminine men. Also, even though I don’t ship them, I hate that they’re based off of a WW1 soldier dynamic. I think it would make more sense to say they’re more reminiscent of children. I assumed that that was what hobbits were supposed to be in the first place, and I think it’s more understandable when two little kids are holding onto each other physically and emotionally in the way that they do, and it would be seen as more innocent than romantic
My only real experience with Samwise is the Rankin Bass version. In that film, he was loyal, steadfast, and despite a brief moment where he was influenced by the ring, unwilling to let his friend be put in harm's way. And during that brief moment, he was still noble and strong-willed. Basically, everything Bakshi did to Samwise, Rankin Bass did a complete 180 and made him a badass.
They were building to him becoming a badass in this to be fair, hence he has moments where he almost is later on when Gollum is around, but, yeah, the Rankin Bass Samwise is superior. His fighting against the power of the guardians at the gate is a great movement in that movie.
@UCfSrF3rhoS9sP0Wdk9sfWPA I don't think this adaptation of LOTR was strictly made for children as there are lots of intense imagery in this. The only way to make this film better is to add some 70s Stoner Rock to the film. Maybe a bit of Blue Oyster Cult or Black Sabbath would go well with this movie
@@lukadubak7476 I experimented by putting Child in Time by Deep Purple over the Battle of Helm's Deep ruclips.net/video/RDf8J80vVO8/видео.html It actually works well and fits into the overall dated Grindhouse-esque aesthetic of the film
Great review! Definitely had me in stitches and the contrast of Bakshi and Jackson adaptations makes me yearn to watch the classic trilogy again! One point I will disagree on is the scene comparison for Bilbo's reaction to the Ring; while I've been consistently terrified by Ian Holm's rapid transformation nearly 20 years on, the Bakshi version has me cracking up like mad every time!
Yes! The scene of Bilbo’s reaction to the ring is not just scary because of his transformation, but it’s also scary because it shows that Frodo can never trust him again, and their lifelong familial relationship is compromised because of the ring.
The only "Classic" is this Animated version, which sticks to Tolkien's written intentions astoundingly better than Jackson's beautiful cinematics...Filled with imposter characters and bogus anti Tolkien plot flips. I'll take a couple of mis pronunciation problems, Any Day, Rather than Arwen being a She Bitch warrior and Faramir DrAGgINg Frodo and Sam to Osgilliath. Yup, Any Day! LOL!
@@kahekilimaui450 The books get high praise and while the it is deserved, I also think the movies improved some stuff. Especially for a casual audience. I appreciate that they didnt adapt the book word for word, but showed us the world instead. What makes sense in a book doesnt always translate to film.
@@SuperAlfern And yet many contrary plot points were added that didn't make sense and even created plot holes that were impossible to overlook or overcome.
I do like how Frodo in this version is more able at defending myself such in the book. While I like Wood's performance as Frodo there's no denying his character was weakened in many ways when compared to his literary counterpart.
Bilbo in the live action fellowship of the ring having a “Gollum on meth” face makes perfect sense as the One Ring has the power to control minds and cast illusions
Showed a few clips of this video to my best friend, since he didn't know about the animated movie. He pointed out that Bilbo looks like Hasbulla and I can't unsee it now. Thanks, Ray...
Yes, whereas This cartoon is Pure Tolkien for Every single scene that made it to the screen. Jackson on the other hand chose to cater to the naive and unwashed as well as his own Ego and basically just defecated on Tolkien's written intentions with Every character and scene. 😉👌
Just watched part 1 and 2. Was laughing so much I teared up 😂 How does this not have more views? The videos are so well made! Can’t wait for part 3. Keep up the good work 😊
Anyone I talked to loves Bilbo jump scare in Lord of the Rings trilogy. It does a great job of showing the audience how damaging the Ring is to the psyche. Visual storytelling, guys.
It's also showing that after 60 years, that's the only effect the ring has on a Hobbit. Its like making a crackhead quit cold turkey. Monster briefly then back to normal. It hasn't corrupted Bilbo because he never actually cared about the ring as more than a trinket.
Actually if you read several descriptions of balrogs throughout Tolkien's work the SIZE of this balrog is about right. Roughly 1.5 to 2 times "man sized". Peter Jackson's balrog is all ooh and ahh "visually" but the book balrog is more a entity of living raw evil, and that raw evil is what makes it seem and "FEEL" massive.
well, in PJ movies there are 2 scenes in the battle of minas tirith repeated during the battle, the first when they go down to the gate, and second when gandalf orders the retreat. And there is 1 scene in osgiliath when they're running from the orcs repeated later on when minas tirith lower levels are overrun and the soldiers are fighting.
Dude. The black riders and all the other film segments: it was the end of the 1970’s - punk rock, punk rock posters, basically all of rock and roll and London and nyc. Do a little research about the 70’s and dont worry about things like “this universe” talk. It wasn’t made in the 2020s
ARE WE JUST NOT GONNA COMMENT ON THE PRONUNCIATION OF SINDARIN IN THIS VERSION?!!? Like when Legolas and Aragorn meet for the first time they SO BADLY MISPRONOUNCE "mae g'ovannen" and "vendui" 😐😐
This is the worst adaptation. Making Sam, who Tolkien said was the chief hero of the Lord of the Rings into an utter imbecile is unforgivable. I know a lot of other people think the Rankin and Bass version is worse, but they really did Sam dirty here.
You do realize that quite a few of the points you bring up come directly from the books? Like the fellowship not really mourning Gandalf right after Moria, the absence of a "show the bullet proof vest"-scene right after Frodo got stabbed or the scene with the Balrog being rather short. PJ changed a ton of details, added lots of cheese to the story and expanded on certain scenes that weren't really all that long in the books. The final Balrog encounter for example isn't much more than half a page long and not nearly the epic, drawn-out showdown PJ turned it into. Does that mean that I think Bakshi's version is the superior movie? No... not at all. But I'm not a huge fan of the PJ movies, either. Lots of problems with casting, tone, etc and I don't feel they've aged particularly well. Other than reading the books, the best way to experience the story, for me, is the BBC radio-play version with Ian Holm as Frodo. It does omit some stuff (like the whole Tom Bombadil episode), but generally speaking it sticks very closely to the books and IMO nails the story's tone.
Bilbo's face on Peter Jackson version sacred me a little ,but it was him jumping at Frodo that mostly got me it was a jump scar . Then after that when Bilbo said sorry my lad . It was soon truned in feeling sad for both of them .
You keep saying the orcs, wights, people at the Inn, and such are “poorly rotoscoped.” They aren’t rotoscoped at all, they are projected. They filmed real actors and projected them onto the film. That’s why they look so ghostly and why their frame rate is higher.
fun part is that Elrond has short hair, not stumblestone when this movie was released, but a huge peeve point in the Ring of Power. and damnnnnn do those Elves look non-Elvish in the movie.
1:42 "Frodo and Sam are the ANTITHESIS of this theme" Don't use words that you don't understand. An antithesis is the OPPOSITE of what you're trying to say.
7:50 In the book the eagle just flies Gandalf to the safety of Rohan where he borrows Shadowfax from Theoden and rides to Rivendell. Easy to miss, so don't worry. Also, when you think about it, having the eagles be a little smaller sort of fixes the plot hole of the eagles being an option to fly into Mordor. Afterall, in the Hobbit Bilbo describes the experience of eagle rides to be incredibly uncomfortable and if they can only grab their riders with talons then it explains why Gandalf wouldn't even consider eagle flight to be the best method.
You're comparing a movie trilogy made in 2000-2003 with a budget of $280 million and state of the art special effects to an animated movie made in 1978 for $4 million. Ridiculing the '78 film for not living up to the Jackson trilogy you saw first is ludicrous.
But comparing it to other animated films made in the same time period, or even several decades before it, just shows how inferior it is to other forms of animation especially because of its heavy reliance on rotoscoping.
I think he was meaning that it was odd for them to include that scene in such a condensed version, as the point of it is to allude to Arwen - who isn’t in the film. They seemed to have cut out a lot from the books -while remaining mostly true to what they adapted - but for some reason left this scene in, and while it is important to Aragorn’s character it does seem kind of vestigial to the plot shown in the movie as the romance talked about is never shown.
Just wanted to point out that Gandalf isn't actually a man but a Maia. Kind of something like an angel. Although as far as I remember the fellowship, maybe with Aragorn and Legolas being the exceptions, didn't know that, except at least the hobbits should have figured out that he was at least not a normal man because he had been visiting them for some generations while always looking like an old human man.
3:55 I totally agree with this video exept for one thing- Bakshi got the c h a r a c t e r of the elf much better: An adolescent body with a wise and gentle mind in it and above all, a soft and beautiful voice. Admit it: Bloom's husky voice and rather wooden, butcher- like action hero appearance was far from being close to Tolkien's idea of an elf especially later in the Hobbit movies....
Couldn't disagree more. Bakshi's elves look like white Americans in 20th century. Legolas is a fool, Elrond is laughable and worst of all is Galadriel, her test scene was garbage in Bakshi's version. No struggle, no light exuding, no "terrible" form. Elves had grace, beauty, long hair and strength. Jackson's elves are much closer to Tolkien's version. Bloom's Legolas had kindness and a genuine friendship with Gimli and Aragorn (Tolkien forgot to write about those, it seems). Galadriel actually struggles with the Ring. She's got power and mystique.
@@tiaaaron3278 As far as I remember, I was only referring to the elf Legolas and h i s c h a r a c t e r. I totally agree with you as far as the outer appearance of elves is concerned and the characters of Elrond or Galadriel in Tolkiens universe. Here Jackson did a damn good job. Unfortunately, it was exactly the scenes that gave Legolas' character at least some depth and kindness Jackson systematically cut out from the cinema version of his films only to leave him as a somewhat flat action hero. Though being a handsome youth at the time of the first Jackson movies and thus fitting an elf outwardly, Blooms actor scills were somewhat wooden and left much to be desired. In the later movies, particularly in the Hobbit trilogy, he had lost the youthful suppleness in his face and his voice, never being very elvish from the start, had turned to a husky grunt more befitting the Terminator than a graceful elf with a destinctly soft, melodious voice.
@@ursuladietze2094 I reread LotR recently, and Legolas is definitely the worst character in books and easily the least developed. Even his friendship with Gimli is dreadful. It's like Tolkien didn't give a shit. So Jackson didn't have much to work with regarding Legolas. And yet Movie-Legolas has something more to him. Hobbit movies are garbage but let's just look at LotR films. Legolas shows some assertiveness and guts by defending Aragorn. Just in a matter of few seconds, we learn something about this newcomer. He's Aragorn's friend and he is supportive and loyal. What does he do in book version of Elrond's Council? Makes a boring fool of himself by acting completely ignorant. But he lacks self-awareness and the narrative is too oblivious and busy with other things to explain Legolas's stupidity. Movie-Legolas has "what about side by side with a friend?" That's the utter beauty of showing how far Legolas has come. Beautiful friendship. What do Gimli and Legolas have in books? Gimli is obsessed with Galadriel like creepy stalker and he and Legolas don't have a single convincing moment of friendship. In fact, Book-Legolas's most significant trait is his devotion to Aragorn. Legolas gives speeches about Aragorn's awesomeness regularly. Seems like Tolkien uses Legolas as a plot device just further emphasise on Aragorn's perfection. In the movies, Legolas and Aragorn have a touching, deep friendship and mutual respect. Legolas is genuinely sad when Aragorn falls off the cliff. He keeps Evenstar for him and greets him warmly when he finally comes to Helm's Deep. When Boromir and Gandalf fell, Legolas showed confusion and grief. Like he doesn't understand deaths of dear mortals. In those scenes alone, he showed more complexity than Book-Legolas did in three books. Legolas is one thing Jackson genuinely improved over the one in the books.
@@zootsanchez yeah, they weren't "adolescent," they were Navy Seals with pretty faces and with the muscles built-in rather than bulging. Feanor, Glorfindel, Finrod, Beleg, those were some scary dudes.
Again, the animated version is truer to the book; it describes Frodo as being momentarily repelled and being forced to suppress the urge to violence.... it shows the influence of the ring.
The visual style of LotR as we know it today (and somehow take for granted) has very little to do with Tolkien's descriptions - and maybe even less with his own illustrations (which weren't that great, tbh). Long story short, the author of this video would laugh his ass off if he got to see the LotR through the eyes of it's own creator. I'm dead sure about that.
Yeah I like this video, but the main issue is that the animated movie is treated as a bad sequel to the Peter Jackson trilogy, and not really compared to the book too much. While I obviously think the PJ version is great, the animated movie did get some things closer to the spirit of the movie imo, and more importantly, was made before the definite art style of LOTR was established by PJ movies. In my opinion, and I'm not an expert on the books, but I've recently reread them, the character of Sam is better presented here than in PJ movies. There, Sam becomes something he was never in Tolkien's writing, for better or worse, chiefly because Tolkien's ideas about servants etc. are not really appropriate for today's audience. Sam in PJ was Frodo's friend, in the book, he was first and foremost his servant, and then a friend, at least that's my impression. The way he was talking and his thoughts also made him seem a bit mentally limited, which I think was connected to that point- he was a servant, he was dumb compared to his master. I'm not sure how controversial this statement is, again I'm not that well versed in Tolkien's lore, but after reading the book many many years ago, when I was a child, and then growing up on the movies and other things based on them, I was a bit shocked how many characters were very very different in the book and in PJ movie (chiefly I'd say Sam, Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn of the principal characters, ofc all the others were changed/combined very dramatically due to time pressures etc.)
Yeah the bilbo scene where he was taken over by the ring scared the shit out of me ( in the peter Jackson one ) This whole movie though seems like an acid trip tbh
10:15 In the books, The elves do not have pointed ears, they look human but are more fair to look upon and it's their fair voices that tell you they are elves. In The Children of Hurin, a first age tale, You can't tell the difference between men and elves when they are children, only when they get older. In fact, Turin, the main character of the book, because he was raised by Thingol (father of Luthien) and dwelt in Doriath for so long among elves, he was mistaken for being one of the Noldorin elves based on speech and look. (Pg. 162 of Children of Hurin). I don't know if the Bakshi films had this in mind but it is interesting to mention.
“Just some random elf named Glorfindel” is a phrase I never thought I’d hear lmao
If you read only lotr he’s in fact just a random elf
lego loss
I’ve gotta say, the song when Gandalf “dies” in the Peter Jackson version is haunting. I nearly cry every time I hear it.
The song in this version sounds like some christmas carol to me. It's also not elvish enough for me.
When I was 5 , I watched saruman beat gandalf I felt sad for him , I did not see him die, I would have cried too
Sauron is so evil. He stole all the pants in middle earth and all the men had to wear skirts! The fiends villainy knows no boundaries.
He truly is a whopper for sure
Some random elf named Glorfindel...
I don't know if it was sacrcasm or ignorance.
Well he is random in the context of the story, you may introduce the most important person in the world if you don't give him context it becomes random.
@Dolan Duck
Glorfindel probably just woke up in the Halls of Mandos after he died and immediately marched back outside.
@@lukadubak7476 I think sacrasm because Glorfindel wasn't in the films
@Sea Pickle i doubt it he seems oblivious af
"In the book, it was just some random elf name Glorfindel." Ahem.
That hurt my ears
@@nathr94 Well if you only read the Hobbit and the Triology he is totally random.
@@karlzuhlke3114 so is any character when they're first introduced in a story.
@@nathr94 Yeah but Glorfindel shows up once is implied to be pretty important and then is never seen/mentioned again after Rivendell. He could be literally any other elf which is why all movies adaptions replaced him.
Yeah, a guy who slayed a Balrog and literally came back from the dead is "random"
Let's be honest, Elrond looks like he walked out of the Roman Senate.
'Some random elf named Glorfindel'
This is what happens when someone pretends they read the book.
13:25 - one reason why Gandalf in the movie might have pronounced the the elvish word for 'friend' as 'meth-lon' - is because Tolkien had said that the Welsh language was a heavy influence on his development of the elvish language. In Welsh, the double L is pronounced as a simultaneous TH + L sound (put the tip of your tongue up to the roof of your mouth and give a quick, short blow around the sides of your tongue). Hence: 'mellon' would be assumed to be pronounced as a Welsh word 'meth-lon'.
The Silmarillion (published in 1977) included the first pronuciation guide to Tolkien's world and although Bakshi's film was released in 1978, it is unlikely his team were aware that there was actually no requirement for the 'LL' to be Welsh (they would have been working on the movie well before the book's publication). Further evidence of this lack of pronunciation etiquette is given later in the movie, when Galadriel pronounces 'Celeborn' with a soft C (i.e. sell-e-born) instead of the hard C (keleborn) that was specified in the Silmarillion guide.
Yes, pre production was finished before The Silmarillion was released.
Also, I have always heard Gandalf in this film as saying:
MeHllon, this may have been Bakshi's producers, who decided that it needed more of a kick so that it didn't sound like melon
😳 😬
While Bakshi was absent they also changed Saruman to Aruman, so when he returned to screenings he was furious and didn't have the budget to call the voice actors back to re-loop the scenes with the 'S intact.
Yes, exactly. I am glad you pointed that out. I certainly wasn't 'Bellaa' like in this video.
Which means that there’s no excuse for Rankin and Bass to have called Gondorians proctologists vis-à-vis “mine ass” tirith instead of Minas Tirith
He doesn't pronounce it as "meth-lon", he says "meh-llon" which is pretty much correct, rather than "mell-on".
Or maybe he truly was thinking of sweet delicious meth lawns
Just wanted to add here that Legolas in this version was actually voiced by Anthony Daniels.
C3PO runs around shield surfing and 1v1s an oliphant.
Yeah that's right C3PO Human Siborg relations. Say do you know what version of My immortal he plays after he said that this cartoon doesn't even have sad music for Gandalf's death? I know it's a cover but I love it. The chick in the cover sings way beter then the actual lady that sings it.
If C-3P0 was an Archer Droid instead of a Protocol Droid
nobody talks about that Elrond looks like Caesar?
totally
I always knew what noldor was romans!
Wow... I didn’t knew that. I thought he look like Michael Palin when I thought about it more.
LOL.. did you watch the "dubbed" version of this movie.. cuz thats the only thing i can think of with the Caesar reference XD
to artist "Elront is the elven king, make him look like a royalty"
artist " say no more, i got this"
Is no going to talk about Aragorn and his pants, or lack there of?
how about the fact that he's clearly an american indian based on his skin color and facial proportions/structure?
And those LEGS! for days! If you got it, flaunt it.
Gondor has no pants. Gondor needs no pants.
@@JohnEvans-xg2bp hahahahaha... Thank's, i needed a laugh.
@@ABurntMuffin actually he covered that in part 1
I never understood why Bilbo's face turned so strangely demonic. I literally don't know how it was physically possible. To that scene's credit though, Ian Holm knocks that scene out of the park! He conveys such grief and remorse that is so incredibly convincing because let's be honest, he is so likeable that due to his personality he feels almost like he's not just Frodo's dear uncle, but the viewer's as well.
The ring turned Smeagol into Gollum. So it's not that unbelievable.
@@adrianaslund8605 Fair point :) I guess for me it's less why does his face change and more so why doesn't it stay that way? I know, weird question to ask, but that's just how my brain progresses. One dumb question is followed by another weirder and/or dumber one lol
@@loneronin6813 In the books, when Frodo curses Gollum, Sam appears to see them on something like a spiritual level. You can interpret this scene as something similar.
@@Mamenber It's been so long since I've read the books that I've forgotten so much of their content and having watched the movies as much as I have hasn't helped matters, so I really appreciate the refresher. I hope that you're doing well and having a great day! :)
At this point, I think Bakshi's Gandalf might as well be on Meth-lawn.
TheNolanKnight also Legolas is also on meth-lawn
Can anyone tell me who sings that version of My Immortal he used? I looked on RUclips threw some covers but can't find that particular version. I like that chick's voice. Or perhaps he just pitch shifted the actual song?
Ah,the random elf Glorfindel,the one so unimportant that the black riders only fought him when they were together cause they otherwise got their asses kicked
Dude...Glorfindel is not just a random Elv...
every elf is a random elf
@@beewell1600t. dwarf
@@alexrexaros9837 whah?
I mean, Tolkien did put at least one evil woman in a position of power. Thuringwethil was a vampire in service of Morgoth as a messenger or something. Not much is known though.
Shelob?
@@Ro-Ghost and her mother, Ungoliant, who even Morgoth was afraid of.
I didn’t know there were vampires in Middle Earth
@@autobotproductions1244 Very scarce they are. Luthien disguised herself and Beren as a vampire and werewolf so they could sneak into Angband.
Beruthiel and her cats...
Someone needs to make a 10 hour loop of Gandalf saying METHLAWN
"Jesus christ Frodo, you're really about to deck your uncle when he's having a grand mal seizure??"
I have been laughing at Frodo's reaction in that scene since I was a kid, I'm so happy someone else found it equally as ridiculous
I laughed every time lmfao
What time stamp is that?
@@jmanusmc2006 9:50
The answer is Yes, yes, cartoon Frodo does not like disabled people. 😂😂😂 Kidding, guys. But, it sure looked like Frodo was about to deck his Uncle for having a stroke.
Weird part is if you read this part in the book it states Frodo had an urge to strike him lmao
The Sindarin and Noldorin word for friend is "mellon". In Jacksons trilogy, Gandalf does say "mellon" but the pronunciation does make it sound like it's a little bit of a B rather than an M.
The elvish word for friend is confirmed "Melon." not Bella. Like, You're my melon, sort of deal
Yeah him complaining about the pronunciation when he actually got it worse was funny as hell.
@@ignazioacerenza9881 I can understand that he misheard the word when watching the scene from the movie, but the fact that he didn't even look it up to check himself made me cringe XD.
Melon.... Yeah can only think of the fruit
Mellon, double l (which you pronounce). Plural mellyn.
The truly weird thing about this is that it almost seems like the voice actor tried pronouncing "mellon" as if it were Welsh, where LL stands for something close to what we hear here (a bit like HL or THL). While this is wrong for "mellon" it is true for other words with the same spelling, like "mallorn".
So you could almost think that somebody here was way deep into Elvish phonetics, which I most seriously doubt (and I'm quite sure this aspect of Elvish pronunciation hadn't even been published when the film was made)...
10:13 - Elrond is not a typical elf; he is half elf and half human, so you would expect him to look more "mannish" than your average elf. (He is descended from the children of Beren and Luthien, and was given a choice between mortality and immortality. He chose to be immortal, while his brother Elros chose mortality and became a king of men. Elros was an ancestor of Aragorn, so he too is part elvish.)
I’m not convinced he’s even read the books because he makes a number of mistakes in these two videos that a person who’d only watched Jackson’s trilogy would make.
As someone who hasn't read the books and only has a surface-level knowledge of the movies idk man I think that given the time and resources available when this was made I say it's a pretty solid movie, it certainly has charm. But then again maybe I'm biased because I love animated movies too much
That being said, that Legolas tho... y i k e s
Yeah, and as I have read the books I can say that it is a very close adaptation too.
Actually, Tolkien described Balrogs as a humanoid creatures of shadow and smoke/flame, lacking any wings and being only slightly taller than ordinary human. So more like 3-4m rather than 10 or so.
Well, then I think the movies improved it.
I don't think Tolkien specified the size of the Balrogs other than saying they were "of man-shape maybe, but greater." Also, while they lacked physical wings, they did have "wings" of encompassing shadow. Perhaps in Book of Lost Tales version of the legendarium they were only slightly bigger than an average man, but after Tolkien decided to give them a power buff I don't think he specified exactly how big they were.
Yes. This balrog looked ridiculous, but the Peter Jackson balrog got the Hollywood makeover and also looked ridiculous. It would have been nice to have done it with more taste and subtlety, rather than just looking like a giant cgi monster.
@@gojewla I disagree. I think the Balrog design IS done with taste and subtlety.
@@SuperAlfern Really? It’s so cgi heavy that it almost looks like a cartoon.
I never saw anything gay or romantic in Sam or Frodo's relationship even in the Jackson films, I always viewed their relationship more like that of brothers then anything else. Tolkien himself said he viewed Sam and Frodo's relationship to that of an officer and a batman.
Yeah anyone who takes it as a gay relationship is a pozzed modernist lol, this hurts so much
(Sorry in advance for the long reply)
I’ve always associated their type of relationship with the one I have with my sister, but honestly I wouldn’t blame anyone for interpreting them as gay, especially in the books. I think it’s just all the kissing and blushing and hand-holding and Sam thinking about how beautiful Frodo is and how much unconditional love he has for him just didn’t really age-not _not well_ but sort of incorrectly ig-bc our world progressed in a way where that’s considered not masculine enough, so people instinctively start to associate it with feminine men.
Also, even though I don’t ship them, I hate that they’re based off of a WW1 soldier dynamic. I think it would make more sense to say they’re more reminiscent of children. I assumed that that was what hobbits were supposed to be in the first place, and I think it’s more understandable when two little kids are holding onto each other physically and emotionally in the way that they do, and it would be seen as more innocent than romantic
"just some randon elf named glorfindel"....the disrespect continues
4:02 - 4:15 I couldn't help but laugh along with him.
Same here
it's a contagious laugh and the images helped XD
Look at this dude
Who else got part 2 recommended by RUclips before they had watched part 1? Daf*q RUclips?
My only real experience with Samwise is the Rankin Bass version. In that film, he was loyal, steadfast, and despite a brief moment where he was influenced by the ring, unwilling to let his friend be put in harm's way. And during that brief moment, he was still noble and strong-willed. Basically, everything Bakshi did to Samwise, Rankin Bass did a complete 180 and made him a badass.
They were building to him becoming a badass in this to be fair, hence he has moments where he almost is later on when Gollum is around, but, yeah, the Rankin Bass Samwise is superior. His fighting against the power of the guardians at the gate is a great movement in that movie.
This whole movie looks like an animated Prog Rock album cover!
totally
@@lukadubak7476 That's why I think it's charming
@UCfSrF3rhoS9sP0Wdk9sfWPA I don't think this adaptation of LOTR was strictly made for children as there are lots of intense imagery in this. The only way to make this film better is to add some 70s Stoner Rock to the film. Maybe a bit of Blue Oyster Cult or Black Sabbath would go well with this movie
@@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 Yes, not strictly. And yeah that kind of music could have tied it up together.
@@lukadubak7476 I experimented by putting Child in Time by Deep Purple over the Battle of Helm's Deep
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It actually works well and fits into the overall dated Grindhouse-esque aesthetic of the film
"Random eld Glorfindel" only like the 3rd most powerful elf EVER
Yeah if you destroy Galadriel, Fëanor, Fingolfin, twenty more other elves, maybe Glorfindel gets in top three.
He comes back with powers like a Maiar.
@@tiaaaron3278 when glorfindel comes back as a Maiar he pretty much becomes the most powerful elf ever aside from Galadriel
@@tiaaaron3278 or sorry, powers of a maiar
@@calebfleming123 Glorfindel never came back as a Maia. An elf cannot become a Maia.
Great review! Definitely had me in stitches and the contrast of Bakshi and Jackson adaptations makes me yearn to watch the classic trilogy again!
One point I will disagree on is the scene comparison for Bilbo's reaction to the Ring; while I've been consistently terrified by Ian Holm's rapid transformation nearly 20 years on, the Bakshi version has me cracking up like mad every time!
Yes! The scene of Bilbo’s reaction to the ring is not just scary because of his transformation, but it’s also scary because it shows that Frodo can never trust him again, and their lifelong familial relationship is compromised because of the ring.
The only "Classic" is this Animated version, which sticks to Tolkien's written intentions astoundingly better than Jackson's beautiful cinematics...Filled with imposter characters and bogus anti Tolkien plot flips.
I'll take a couple of mis pronunciation problems, Any Day, Rather than Arwen being a She Bitch warrior and Faramir DrAGgINg Frodo and Sam to Osgilliath. Yup,
Any Day! LOL!
@@kahekilimaui450 The books get high praise and while the it is deserved, I also think the movies improved some stuff. Especially for a casual audience. I appreciate that they didnt adapt the book word for word, but showed us the world instead. What makes sense in a book doesnt always translate to film.
@@SuperAlfern
And yet many contrary plot points were added that didn't make sense and even created plot holes that were impossible to overlook or overcome.
@@kahekilimaui450 Give me an example.
I like how this movie portrayed the orcs as animalistic demons rather than the orcs we know today.
Elron was a secret Julius Caesar fashion supporter XD
I do like how Frodo in this version is more able at defending myself such in the book. While I like Wood's performance as Frodo there's no denying his character was weakened in many ways when compared to his literary counterpart.
13:22 Elvish for friend is Mellon subtitles help
Bilbo in the live action fellowship of the ring having a “Gollum on meth” face makes perfect sense as the One Ring has the power to control minds and cast illusions
The ring is his "METH-LON" lol.
Showed a few clips of this video to my best friend, since he didn't know about the animated movie. He pointed out that Bilbo looks like Hasbulla and I can't unsee it now. Thanks, Ray...
FUCK, I'm just now realizing that I said "antithesis" when I meant to say epitome. oops.
It’s ok, you caught it eventually.
The animated movie is not good but thanks to this and Peter Jacksons love for it, he took almost every scene and reshot it his way.
Yes, whereas This cartoon is Pure Tolkien for Every single scene that made it to the screen.
Jackson on the other hand chose to cater to the naive and unwashed as well as his own Ego and basically just defecated on Tolkien's written intentions with Every character and scene.
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In the books Sam was the equivalent of a weeb for elves. His goofy grin and bird noise is 100% in character
This
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Legolas looks like a high elf straight out of ES4 Oblivion.
I love how they turned Pippin blonde just for a minute while he foils the plot.
Just watched part 1 and 2. Was laughing so much I teared up 😂 How does this not have more views? The videos are so well made! Can’t wait for part 3. Keep up the good work 😊
Looking forward to Part 3!
Anyone I talked to loves Bilbo jump scare in Lord of the Rings trilogy. It does a great job of showing the audience how damaging the Ring is to the psyche. Visual storytelling, guys.
It's also showing that after 60 years, that's the only effect the ring has on a Hobbit. Its like making a crackhead quit cold turkey. Monster briefly then back to normal. It hasn't corrupted Bilbo because he never actually cared about the ring as more than a trinket.
Actually if you read several descriptions of balrogs throughout Tolkien's work the SIZE of this balrog is about right. Roughly 1.5 to 2 times "man sized". Peter Jackson's balrog is all ooh and ahh "visually" but the book balrog is more a entity of living raw evil, and that raw evil is what makes it seem and "FEEL" massive.
That balrog mask looked like a baboon more than a lion to me
Looked like a fruit bat
@@ryanb1874 a fruit bat with butterfly wings
well, in PJ movies there are 2 scenes in the battle of minas tirith repeated during the battle, the first when they go down to the gate, and second when gandalf orders the retreat.
And there is 1 scene in osgiliath when they're running from the orcs repeated later on when minas tirith lower levels are overrun and the soldiers are fighting.
Dude. The black riders and all the other film segments: it was the end of the 1970’s - punk rock, punk rock posters, basically all of rock and roll and London and nyc. Do a little research about the 70’s and dont worry about things like “this universe” talk. It wasn’t made in the 2020s
ARE WE JUST NOT GONNA COMMENT ON THE PRONUNCIATION OF SINDARIN IN THIS VERSION?!!? Like when Legolas and Aragorn meet for the first time they SO BADLY MISPRONOUNCE "mae g'ovannen" and "vendui" 😐😐
My dog is sitting in my lap, and when the "strange and unexplainable noise" part came up my dog perked his head up and looked really confused. lmao
I actually like how the Riders are animated, they're off kilter and ghoulish, and their movements are ghastly and otherworldly
And exactly on point for the late 1970’s. I like them too.
This is the worst adaptation. Making Sam, who Tolkien said was the chief hero of the Lord of the Rings into an utter imbecile is unforgivable. I know a lot of other people think the Rankin and Bass version is worse, but they really did Sam dirty here.
4:55 just killed me
5:38 I've a feeling that the only person with a handy cape around here is the creator of this video.
Also, Sam insisting that Frodo be allowed to rest is book-accurate.
I think that Frodo is sooo cute drawing like in this cartoon.
Damn cute 💙
Same
To me he looks like a mixture of cabbage patch dolls and trolls.
>"just a few feet taller than Gandalf"
>Balrog is over twice Gandalfs height... Who is also exceptionally tall.
In all of Tolkien's depictions of Gandalf he was always described as a little old man.
Aragorn, on the other hand was very tall. 6' 6" at the least.
Andrew Good Gandalf is 5.6 actually.
The Elvish word for "friend" is not "bella". It's "mellon". Have you actually read the books?
No he watched the Peter Jackson trilogy and left it at that
he says mellon in the jackson films tho
I'm really digging the videos, the Super Mario RPG music made me laugh, keep up the good work
What song did you use at 0:10 or 0:14 i like it but having trouble finding it on youtube its the one with the violin
Random named elf glorfindel may lightnig struck you down he was the most powerful elf in existence you dont know nothing
Gimli making big moves on Galadriel 😂
You do realize that quite a few of the points you bring up come directly from the books? Like the fellowship not really mourning Gandalf right after Moria, the absence of a "show the bullet proof vest"-scene right after Frodo got stabbed or the scene with the Balrog being rather short. PJ changed a ton of details, added lots of cheese to the story and expanded on certain scenes that weren't really all that long in the books. The final Balrog encounter for example isn't much more than half a page long and not nearly the epic, drawn-out showdown PJ turned it into.
Does that mean that I think Bakshi's version is the superior movie? No... not at all. But I'm not a huge fan of the PJ movies, either. Lots of problems with casting, tone, etc and I don't feel they've aged particularly well. Other than reading the books, the best way to experience the story, for me, is the BBC radio-play version with Ian Holm as Frodo. It does omit some stuff (like the whole Tom Bombadil episode), but generally speaking it sticks very closely to the books and IMO nails the story's tone.
Bilbo's face on Peter Jackson version sacred me a little ,but it was him jumping at Frodo that mostly got me it was a jump scar . Then after that when Bilbo said sorry my lad . It was soon truned in feeling sad for both of them .
You keep saying the orcs, wights, people at the Inn, and such are “poorly rotoscoped.” They aren’t rotoscoped at all, they are projected. They filmed real actors and projected them onto the film. That’s why they look so ghostly and why their frame rate is higher.
I bet some of the animators for this movie were on acid and that's why Legolas looks like he has taken too much acid
fun part is that Elrond has short hair, not stumblestone when this movie was released, but a huge peeve point in the Ring of Power.
and damnnnnn do those Elves look non-Elvish in the movie.
1:42 "Frodo and Sam are the ANTITHESIS of this theme"
Don't use words that you don't understand. An antithesis is the OPPOSITE of what you're trying to say.
"just a random elf named glorfindel"
7:50 In the book the eagle just flies Gandalf to the safety of Rohan where he borrows Shadowfax from Theoden and rides to Rivendell. Easy to miss, so don't worry. Also, when you think about it, having the eagles be a little smaller sort of fixes the plot hole of the eagles being an option to fly into Mordor. Afterall, in the Hobbit Bilbo describes the experience of eagle rides to be incredibly uncomfortable and if they can only grab their riders with talons then it explains why Gandalf wouldn't even consider eagle flight to be the best method.
Say what you wanna say but the fukin animation of these cartoon movies were amazing man especially for 1970
the Balrog of Gryffindor, that made my day haha
This was a great movie when I watched it high AF in high school
You're comparing a movie trilogy made in 2000-2003 with a budget of $280 million and state of the art special effects to an animated movie made in 1978 for $4 million. Ridiculing the '78 film for not living up to the Jackson trilogy you saw first is ludicrous.
But comparing it to other animated films made in the same time period, or even several decades before it, just shows how inferior it is to other forms of animation especially because of its heavy reliance on rotoscoping.
Bruh I was drinking when the Legolas face reveal happened. I almost died God damnit lol
Epic!!! The future king of Gondor ladies and gentlemen!!!
The scene where Aragon tells them about Luthien is in the books... That's why it's in the movie... I don't get the confusion here
I think he was meaning that it was odd for them to include that scene in such a condensed version, as the point of it is to allude to Arwen - who isn’t in the film. They seemed to have cut out a lot from the books -while remaining mostly true to what they adapted - but for some reason left this scene in, and while it is important to Aragorn’s character it does seem kind of vestigial to the plot shown in the movie as the romance talked about is never shown.
I think the people in the tavern were just filmed and color corrected, to save time
Ring wrathes in this movie look about like the ones in the Hobbit
Has anyone else pictured Frodo as a wraith? Would he be a 3ft tall nazgul lol?
Just wanted to point out that Gandalf isn't actually a man but a Maia. Kind of something like an angel. Although as far as I remember the fellowship, maybe with Aragorn and Legolas being the exceptions, didn't know that, except at least the hobbits should have figured out that he was at least not a normal man because he had been visiting them for some generations while always looking like an old human man.
13:30 The actual elvish word for friend written in letter format is Melon. However in the Jackson films it may have sounded like Bellawn
*sighs* I'm kinda worried about cartoon Gandalf's drug habits halfway through the movie. Someone's gotta stage an intervention, know what I mean? 😂😂😱
3:55 I totally agree with this video exept for one thing- Bakshi got the c h a r a c t e r of the elf much better: An adolescent body with a wise and gentle mind in it and above all, a soft and beautiful voice. Admit it: Bloom's husky voice and rather wooden, butcher- like action hero appearance was far from being close to Tolkien's idea of an elf especially later in the Hobbit movies....
Couldn't disagree more. Bakshi's elves look like white Americans in 20th century. Legolas is a fool, Elrond is laughable and worst of all is Galadriel, her test scene was garbage in Bakshi's version. No struggle, no light exuding, no "terrible" form.
Elves had grace, beauty, long hair and strength. Jackson's elves are much closer to Tolkien's version. Bloom's Legolas had kindness and a genuine friendship with Gimli and Aragorn (Tolkien forgot to write about those, it seems). Galadriel actually struggles with the Ring. She's got power and mystique.
@@tiaaaron3278 As far as I remember, I was only referring to the elf Legolas and h i s c h a r a c t e r. I totally agree with you as far as the outer appearance of elves is concerned and the characters of Elrond or Galadriel in Tolkiens universe. Here Jackson did a damn good job. Unfortunately, it was exactly the scenes that gave Legolas' character at least some depth and kindness Jackson systematically cut out from the cinema version of his films only to leave him as a somewhat flat action hero. Though being a handsome youth at the time of the first Jackson movies and thus fitting an elf outwardly, Blooms actor scills were somewhat wooden and left much to be desired. In the later movies, particularly in the Hobbit trilogy, he had lost the youthful suppleness in his face and his voice, never being very elvish from the start, had turned to a husky grunt more befitting the Terminator than a graceful elf with a destinctly soft, melodious voice.
@@ursuladietze2094 I reread LotR recently, and Legolas is definitely the worst character in books and easily the least developed. Even his friendship with Gimli is dreadful. It's like Tolkien didn't give a shit. So Jackson didn't have much to work with regarding Legolas.
And yet Movie-Legolas has something more to him. Hobbit movies are garbage but let's just look at LotR films. Legolas shows some assertiveness and guts by defending Aragorn. Just in a matter of few seconds, we learn something about this newcomer. He's Aragorn's friend and he is supportive and loyal.
What does he do in book version of Elrond's Council? Makes a boring fool of himself by acting completely ignorant. But he lacks self-awareness and the narrative is too oblivious and busy with other things to explain Legolas's stupidity.
Movie-Legolas has "what about side by side with a friend?" That's the utter beauty of showing how far Legolas has come. Beautiful friendship.
What do Gimli and Legolas have in books? Gimli is obsessed with Galadriel like creepy stalker and he and Legolas don't have a single convincing moment of friendship.
In fact, Book-Legolas's most significant trait is his devotion to Aragorn. Legolas gives speeches about Aragorn's awesomeness regularly. Seems like Tolkien uses Legolas as a plot device just further emphasise on Aragorn's perfection.
In the movies, Legolas and Aragorn have a touching, deep friendship and mutual respect. Legolas is genuinely sad when Aragorn falls off the cliff. He keeps Evenstar for him and greets him warmly when he finally comes to Helm's Deep.
When Boromir and Gandalf fell, Legolas showed confusion and grief. Like he doesn't understand deaths of dear mortals. In those scenes alone, he showed more complexity than Book-Legolas did in three books.
Legolas is one thing Jackson genuinely improved over the one in the books.
hey Finrod broke his shackles and ripped out a werewolf's throat with his teeth, that ain't an adolescent body boyo
@@zootsanchez yeah, they weren't "adolescent," they were Navy Seals with pretty faces and with the muscles built-in rather than bulging. Feanor, Glorfindel, Finrod, Beleg, those were some scary dudes.
Again, the animated version is truer to the book; it describes Frodo as being momentarily repelled and being forced to suppress the urge to violence.... it shows the influence of the ring.
@Rational Ryan Please provide a list of the music you use. Great music!
You forgot to mention: Legolas has the voice of C-3PO
@ 12:19 Jeez Sam, I know this is a Ralph Bakshi film but could you put down the dooby? You look stoned on set!
I love this video so much I dont even know what to say
The visual style of LotR as we know it today (and somehow take for granted) has very little to do with Tolkien's descriptions - and maybe even less with his own illustrations (which weren't that great, tbh).
Long story short, the author of this video would laugh his ass off if he got to see the LotR through the eyes of it's own creator. I'm dead sure about that.
Yeah I like this video, but the main issue is that the animated movie is treated as a bad sequel to the Peter Jackson trilogy, and not really compared to the book too much. While I obviously think the PJ version is great, the animated movie did get some things closer to the spirit of the movie imo, and more importantly, was made before the definite art style of LOTR was established by PJ movies.
In my opinion, and I'm not an expert on the books, but I've recently reread them, the character of Sam is better presented here than in PJ movies. There, Sam becomes something he was never in Tolkien's writing, for better or worse, chiefly because Tolkien's ideas about servants etc. are not really appropriate for today's audience. Sam in PJ was Frodo's friend, in the book, he was first and foremost his servant, and then a friend, at least that's my impression. The way he was talking and his thoughts also made him seem a bit mentally limited, which I think was connected to that point- he was a servant, he was dumb compared to his master. I'm not sure how controversial this statement is, again I'm not that well versed in Tolkien's lore, but after reading the book many many years ago, when I was a child, and then growing up on the movies and other things based on them, I was a bit shocked how many characters were very very different in the book and in PJ movie (chiefly I'd say Sam, Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn of the principal characters, ofc all the others were changed/combined very dramatically due to time pressures etc.)
I dig the black riders armor design in this, it looks ancient and Atlantean. Old, alien and regal.
15:50 Gandalf is literally right there smoking his "smokeless" pipe on guard duty lmao.
Yeah the bilbo scene where he was taken over by the ring scared the shit out of me ( in the peter Jackson one )
This whole movie though seems like an acid trip tbh
At 8:00 That method of travel looked like it was really easy, barely an inconvenience.
"random elf called Glorfindel"
I chuckled
10:15 In the books, The elves do not have pointed ears, they look human but are more fair to look upon and it's their fair voices that tell you they are elves.
In The Children of Hurin, a first age tale, You can't tell the difference between men and elves when they are children, only when they get older. In fact, Turin, the main character of the book, because he was raised by Thingol (father of Luthien) and dwelt in Doriath for so long among elves, he was mistaken for being one of the Noldorin elves based on speech and look. (Pg. 162 of Children of Hurin).
I don't know if the Bakshi films had this in mind but it is interesting to mention.
I remember being the only one in the theatre to laugh when Bilbo went demonic for the ring… I was 8 years old.
13:28 did…did you just call it “Bella”?????
The Black riders are pretty good looking actually. They look fairly intimidating.