My brother (17) is an 'incel' and I can hear every single word that he says because our rooms are directly next to each other with a very thin wall. It is terrifying and we had so many arguments and he claims he'll never marry or get a wife because he's 'always in the 'friend zone" while simultaneously making fun of everyone who is 'cringe' or 'woke'. And then there's me, audhd, non-binary and aroace pansexual and very progressive. I have no idea how we grew up in the same household
Talk to him, ask him where these thoughts come from, try to help him feel better about himself instead of outing him on the internet. He’s likely in great pain listen ti him and help him, even if he acts like he doesn’t want help
@@RaidenMustDie3594 I know you intent well but he is very drawn to violence and he has been mistrusting since he was a baby. The last time I tried talking to him, did he insult me, triggered the trauma he caused me on purpose, made fun of how sensetive women are and only didn't hit me so I couldn't show it to our parents. And I know where these thoughts come from and what caused them but he refuses any help, just gets more aggressive and quite Frankly do I not care. He got every opportunity to get help he could've ever wished for for literal years. I will out him on the internet as much as I want because he actively chooses to be a bad person and doesn't want to change in the slightest. So if I decide to open up a bit of my experience with living with him, is it not up to anyone to tell me to try and help him. I did try. And it caused me even more trauma then I already had. I don't care if he is in pain. He chooses to be in it.
@@blossomtree9384 you are in your right to have him institutionalized when someone causes harm to another because of their mental condition you can restrain them by force, and have a psychologist speak to them if he ever goes further with the violence.
@@blossomtree9384 I can see where you are coming from, I used to be violent myself, I learned on my own how to not be, because no one wanted to try to teach me how to not be, just a side note, 50% of ADHDers have an autstic sibling, and vis versa, and some Incels are autstics without the right surport who found/were found by incels, and as an autstic myself, I can defiently understand how they would fall into it, it paints the world as if there is a formala, and it gives it to them, I can see how it sounds safer then the chaos life actully is, so yeah, hopefully some day your brother can come around, plus, being a teenager is hard, there is a lot going on, and no one has the answers you need, because they are things you have to answer yourself, there is actually a high chance he will get better in his 20s, espesully if he can get in a collge or uni, some dervisty would do him some good, so will his hormones stablizing.
What I love is watching incels collapse at the idea of trans guys. You want someone biologically female? Me and loads of my friends dude? Oh no, the beard is off putting? Guess you should redefine your terms
Is being Ginophilic or Androphilic (i.e. liking women or liking men; i.e. being straight or gay depending on the sex of the person) a biological or a social tendency? Is being gay or androphilic a result of a conscious choice ? + this can even be more deceiving consider that many men may settle quite a lot easier compared to their counterparts. If you go in a site with many virgins they may have a crush on you for simply saying that you are a woman
Beards are cringe af. That said don't trans men constantly complain about feeling like "small boys" and develope serious inadequacies regarding the fact they pass or not?
An incel told me that if I ever spoke to a woman, I would be arrested. I pointed out that I had already spoken to dozens of women that day, with no such result.
Incels think that "speaking to a woman" involves walking up to a complete stranger and touching them inappropriately followed by screaming about the matrix, so he was probably speaking from his own experience...
@@squidthing That may be. I know I said "Hello" to a woman today, on the bus. She said "Hello" back. And we talked briefly about the traffic in town. She seemed to have zero problem with my engaging in conversation. But again, boundaries. I respected her space. So there was zero problem. I have no idea who she was. But I did respect her space. And I was polite. Maybe that was the difference
Women might talk to you for entertainment and validation But you will never and WOULD never have had a chance to become romantically or sexually involved Women tolerate ugly men who act like doormats. Any ugly dude who shows confidence or stands up for himself is demonized
@@jacksonfitzsimmons4253 Ummm... yeah. About that... Have been both romantically, and sexually, involved with a few women over the years. Have never acted like a doormat, for anyone. And have never been demonized by a woman. Funny how that works.
The whole "skinny, young, non paid, virgin women" one is so true. Not even for incels , just for some adult men I've met who wonder why they can't get a girlfriend, but then tell me they don't want to date any woman who is over the age of 20, over 120 lbs, black or brown, a LiBeRaL, taller than 5'2 etc. (These are all real restrictions on their *nonexistent* girlfriends I have been given by men)
Like, even when I was at my skinniest I was at least 125lbs...and 5'3". Maybe I have a dick, maybe I have a vagina, they don't know. All I know is that despite not knowing who you're mentioning, the specific people you're talking about with those requirements have almost certainly wanked off once or three times to my boobs. And yet if I showed up in front of them, I'm not "good enough" for them.
"The whole "skinny, young, non paid, virgin women" one is so true" Its not true at all its one of the dumbest strawmen ever made. They did an experiment where they photoshopped body hair and a pig nose on a morbidly obese woman and guess what the profile still got dozens of matches quickly. Men have no standards and don't turn women down
@@LoudmouthReviews matches on a dating app arent representative of a willingness to actually DATE a person. In addition, this isn't a strawman (im not trying to dismantle any argument here). This is just an allegory from my personal life and interactions I have had with *several* male friends.
"it should be equal" not in the sense that one of you cooks one night, the other the next. If one partner prefers cooking, there's nothing wrong with them doing it every night (if they want to.) So long as the other partner takes up another job to make up for it (like doing dishes)
One time I was at a comic book/game store and a group of guys who were playing Yugioh (that game attracts SO MANY incels and nahtzees apparently) were catcalling me and telling me that I shouldn't be wearing my Suicide Silence shirt because "deathcore is not for the female race." As I walked away one of the guys was like, "I hate those goddamn metal chicks because they will never date me and are all gay." My jaw dropped and I reported them to someone working at the store and eventually they got kicked out.
Sorry that happened, but good for you for not putting up with that idiocy and reporting them. These fools need more natural consequences for their bad behavior. The level of self-destructive anti-logic is both hilarious and frustrating.
I'm sorry that they said those things to you! and you got good taste!! do you also happen to like Carnifex, Rings of Saturn, Betraying the Martyrs, Whitechapel, DEVILOOF, or Crystal Lake? (I'm excited to meet anyone who loves heavy music as much as me🤘)
The “biological necessity” thing is the incel’s baseline argument, whether they’re using that exact term or not. Orgasm is natural to want. Social interaction is natural to want. The struggle with constantly overlapping those two ideas is where incels start to think in circles. It’s a closed track, and each cycle takes them further into that morphed personal version of “biology”.
They use that biological urge argument when people call them out for creeping on random girls. More often than not it's used as a cop out to downplay piggish behavior.
@@cynister7384 I don’t think there’s an ultimate need to orgasm. It’s just a general “want” for some people, and incel culture sees most wants as needs.
You'd swear they're allergic to the word "woman". Nothing triggers them like that. Their perception of other people and feminist issues is so warped that they've become convinced that it's a taboo word or something?? Soo bizarre and just endlessly fascinating
I think the people who think you can’t say “woman” are confused because they were told not to call someone “woman”. Like, “Hey woman, make me a sandwich” or whatever. You can refer to women as women, you can’t refer to a woman as “woman”.
I'm saying that incels are using it as a "no one let's me say words like woman anymore" not that using those terms is bad. I'm really glad that organizations are being more inclusive. And also I should type YT comments in the morning before tea.
8:11 I don't even think that it's about them not treating us like people as much as they don't even know how to treat people. I can't imagine that their interactions with healthy adult men are actually appropriate either.
@@peppermintbark3992 they believe that any woman with a man other than them is terrible and that that man has to be physically desirable. And if that man isn't stereotypically attractive, they become utterly confused and get angry at, you guessed it, *women*
I feel like people give too much credit to "poorly socialized young men" and not enough credit to "many men feel deeply entitled to a domestic slave/sex pet."
@Darkwing Duck you're right, they're not mutually exclusive. My point is that it's uncouth, callous, and contributing to the culture of entitlement to prioritize mending their hurt feelings over the bigotry being taught and perpetuated. Especially when that message of sympathy and tolerance is preached almost entirely to their victims.
i think that's because speaking as though all incels are the latter only drives them further into that ideology. don't get me wrong, a scary lot of them are but some of them aren't yet and just DESPERATELY need social interaction with people outside of incel circles before they stop being so innocent. it is kinda placating people who probably don't deserve it, but given how deep and violent the incel iceberg gets i think it's worth it to not let them go without help
@@bumblerbree Incel communities are heavily based in the latter, it's not a label for every sad lonely guy. It also doesn't exclude them from help, and if being told "the way you're dehumanizing women isn't cool" is too spicy a take and should be avoided when offering help out of the ideology... I question again why people value the incel ego over the humanity of women. Helping people and enabling their atrocious justifications ARE mutually exclusive things.
@ApplesWithPeanutButter my guy I was raised with and by those men. I know firsthand what kind of people they are and who is responsible, and moreso, that people are responsible for their own actions and behavior. If it was just a socialization problem WHY ARE THERE SO MANY MEN IN THE SAME EXACT SITUATIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARENT INCELS. You can't tolerate the bigotry out of someone, especially when you're a part of the oppressed class they hate.
I feel really bad for the woman who started the incel movement as a way of bringing people with illnesses/disabilities together. I can't even begin to imagine how she felt when the term was stolen and appropiated by a bunch of misoginistic creeps.
@@writingghost7795 Yes. It was started in 1997 as a project by a transgender college student by the name of Alana, who created it as a way for people all over the world *no matter their gender/race/sexuality* who hadn't had a relationship in a long time/none at all (mainly due to mental/physical disabilities, illnesses, etc, or at leat that's what I read) and tell their experiences, when she came out as a trans woman in 2000, she began to be more comfortable in her identity and leaving the project, giving it to someone else. She spoke about it again in 2018, saying that the original community was nothing like it is now and it now has become into a sad, twisted interpretation of its original meaning. She also expressed that she was saddened something she had created to bring people together had turned into a name for (as in, had been appropiated by) a bunch of misoginistic men who hate on women for no reason.
@@BurgerBoi1 I'm really glad you made this comment. There's still a split in the community of... whatever you want to call people who struggle to find their first relationship (from "loveshy" to "incel" to now I'm seeing "older virgin" taking off). It does skew very heavily male, and what I've seen over time is that 1) new forums/subs/channels are formed to talk about solving those problems. 2) Men who've turned their fear and loneliness into toxicity and misogyny take over and become more vocal. 3) This chases away the shy people who know it's their struggle and are just lonely (and often some type of neurodivergent. 4) The community is now a ruined cesspool. I'm currently in such an online space as a non-virgin mod and it's been a very chill and healthy space, although I'm reluctant to say where it is in a RUclips comment for obvious reasons. It's been a really great resource for everyone to cultivate friendships, find therapy and/or advice for overcoming shyness and other obstacles, to commiserate about loneliness and so forth. Anecdotally, most of the regulars who have been in there for over a year have found relationships. Those who haven't, are at least finding intimate friendships with each other and self-acceptance, which is what the true social need is that's missing.
It always kind of irked me too since I developed an illness in 2017 that physically made sex impossible. The group of TRULY involuntary celibate is full of heartbreak, strength and chronic illness warriors.
Im asexual and some people(luckily only on the internet) have said that I am "damaging my boyfriend" because I don't have sex with him? Like it's so funny to me, they really have issues . I understand that some people prefer a sexual relationship, but he is my boyfriend ofcourse he knows about it and knew right from the start because it's pretty important information😭
Actually sex is a necessity for the propagation of the species and it's only a lifetime of propaganda that's got you thinking that we should eradicate our species a lifetime of propaganda that has got you going against the most basic and natural urge.. This channel is a Bastion for the brainwashed and I pity I truly pity all of you. They started rolling out this propaganda when I was in grade two,, I am 40 now, with a great career in engineering and zero children because that's what they ingrained in my generation,,, I'm also multi-ethnic and for the first 30 years of my life I got asked what exactly my Origins were I never found it offensive however for the last 10 years I've been told that I'm the white devil,,,, for the first 30 years when people asked what my Origins were it was never hateful or cruel but for the last 10 years I have seen actual violence and hate because I pass for white these days, funny thing is my face and body haven't changed it all, I still have plenty of very ethnic features but the world has got everyone hating pale skin so much that people can't even see Beyond skin tone anymore.. And yes darling you are damaging your boyfriend you're abusing him if you're not willing to be in a fully functional healthy relationship then be alone, and sex is part of a romantic relationship,, also you might want to understand the words you're calling yourself a little bit better because you cannot breed with yourself and that's what asexual is
Women LITERALLY takes pills that fuck up their hormones and body and go through terrible operations in order to still have sex and avoid pregnancy, but those same women who hold the entire control over the sexual market decision and consents are telling us that sex is not important. It's like you're dying of under hydratation in the middle of desert and they come upon you drinking water saying that it's not important
it's terrifying to know that me being a kind person and a generally affectionate friend means that some people think i wanna fuck them. which i do know, because it has led to people thinking that. i think these people need some more genuine friendships!!! edit: i wrote this comment in a hurry because i had to go back to work and it's somehow accumulated a lot of likes so i wanna clarify it further. i wish they'd have genuine friendships, so that they can experience how fulfilling they can be with no romance involved and develop deep emotional connections, instead of just leaping on every "opportunity" for sex!
Man, I feel ya. For me its a weird situation where I give them kindness and act like a decent person (bc thats how I was raised thank god) but I never end up keeping the friendships bc THESE ppl kind of ruin being nice ig(?? Idk how else to put it without sounding like one myself lol)
You put this into words perfectly. It happens to me sometimes with people in general. But when I’m trying to befriend a guy, they always, always end up telling me they’re into me.
@@jzorto8955 yeahhh, same, fortunately most people in my life have gotten the message that i am *very* gay! but i do also rarely get it from other queer people, but that's not even remotely on the level of incels!!
@@roni_macaroni6179 THANK YOU SO MUCH ;; that art is actually sorta old and i've been thinking of updating it with some of my new art but maybe... i'll keep it a little longer
That's literally what many of them want and have talked about making it mandatory in a Handmaid's Tale way. They are also obsessed with adopting little girls and throw hissy fits about agencies having rules in place against young single men doing so.
Yeah, these freaks started talking about "government/state mandated girlfriends" which...yeah I've seen a thread on Reddit about some guy advocating for it asking "why did we ever get rid of arranged marriages?" Either it's a shit joke from 4chan or some of these nerds have truly lost their minds
I'm just now considering... why does the term in-cel even .... Why... "Involuntarily not getting a thing I want that no one wants to give me".... "Not putting in any work, so people don't see any value in me".... And then they feel sorry for themselves? Nuts. Absolutely nuts.
Women also follow Gender roles and stereotypes which contribute indeed to these phenomena. It is debatable if such tendecies are socially learned or biological. Do you think that the fact that women tend to take less initiative than men or sometimes even expect men to do the first steps (there are data about that) "without putting any work in" is biological or socially learned? Why data (i'm talking about peer reviewed studies; take 2 second to google it and have thousands of sources) show that women tend to prefer taller men than shorter men? Is it a biological preference or socially learned? Can this perception be changed/influenced? Are the preferences around having a specific type of partner with specific traits (from skin color up to specific cognitive skills - including social ones - or facial trait) all biological or can they be potentially changed? Why women tend to follow the most femminine style of hair and clothing? Is hairstyle preference and way to dress biological or socially learned? So why they are endorsing such gender expectations and should we do anything to change such tendencies in preferences? What are the consequences of that tendency? You will see that the phenomena interplay with a lot of factors and the tendencies of both sexes.
@@creaomega2643 'facts'? a scientist's duty is to doubt, my dude. so, there's this concept in sociology -- that when there is already a natural phenomenon occurring, society over time will reinforce the phenomenon to the point it becomes more and more extreme. i presume you are talking about a generalised 'typical' USA culture? the reality is, i could never presume why the straights do what they do. why do people dress in a way to find a mate? gee, idk. :3 i'm a bit of an initiator, myself! i usually tell my gal friends "beggars can't be choosers". personally, i've found waiting around means i get hit on by a buncha slimeballs, and then sadly none of the sweethearts approach, or worse, become intimidated! this isn't a men & women issue, this phenomenon bleeds into LGBTQ lives as well. look, we live in a society, and that means navigating awkward social scenarios. none of us know what we're doing, but hey, kinda going with natural instinct and the prescription that worked for others in our situations is a decent way to at least try! it's just harder to find a place and friends and romance when you are naturally quite different from most other people. it's rough. just gotta try to be decent to others and find the people who accept you for being a little strange. the whys don't matter so much. i do feel bad for the straights tho. it sounds exhausting.
@@roxyndra "There are lot of statements stated as facts" Which one? Be specific my dude "When a scientist duty is to doubt" Which i did, i said that it was debatable that many of such tendencies are exclusively social in nature...because indeed there is an entire scientific debate around Nature vs Nurture in science "I'd ask citations" No problem. There is an entire field in science called Neuroaesthetics that litteraly study our perception of beauty, with some studies having found some sexual dimorphism (which should be the predicted outcome if we assume that Gynophilia and Androphilia are not likely a product of a conscious choice, i.e. if sexual orientation is not a conscious choice* ) , althought the complete etiology of that dimorphism is not clear (Nature or Nurture? If both, in what proportion they play a role?). RUclips shadowban your previous comment (i.e. i can only see it throught my notifications), so to avoid the same fate i will put the studies and reference titles, not link. Let's start with the definition and what the field is: "Neuroaesthetics", by mimesisjournal "Effects of sexual dimorphism on facial attractiveness", by D. I. Perrett *"Sexual orientation and gender identity" American Psychological Association "Gynephilic Men's and Androphilic Women's Visual Attention Patterns: The Effects of Gender and Sexual Activity Cues" Klarah M K O'Kane "The brightness dimension as a marker of gender across cultures and age", by Carla Sebastián-Enesco and Gün R. Semin For General Mating Strategies and Human Mating Strategies there are hell of a lot of studies around our average behavioural tendencies in dating (which some concidently match the ones of other mammals) that i don't know where even begin. Start from non-peer reviewed sources to have a general idea of what we are talking about. Check the wikipedia pages of "Mate choice" and Human Mating strategies and then check also the videos titled "Male vs Females: Sexual conflict" and "Why males are often more physically aggressive?" to understand how such differences can have evolutionary implications. I will not flood you with sources (unless you ask me to) but among the peer reviewed ones i will share you the relevant ones that i think are more than enough to get a grasp of my argument. Peer reviewed sources instead that you can read: "Strategies of humam mating" by David M. Buss "Human mating strategies: from past causes to present consequences" by Daniele Marzoli "I presume we are trying to talk about USA culture" No, i said culture in general. There are tendencies that are crosscultural, which in fact make the probability that such tendencies are due solely from social influences more unlikely. "Plenty of societies have women who are the initiators" Name it: Name one complex society in the entire history where rape, sexual harrasment, sexual advances and initiative are all committed or acted with drammatically higher average onset by women rather than men. Spoiler: there are none. In a relationship survey conducted by shaadi.com, about 90% men said they will make the first move in a relationship. Surprisingly, only 19% women said 'yes' and 10.5% said 'may be' to the question. This mean that more than 70% of women said no in such situations (which soon you will see that match other datas). But by already observing the data on specific social phenomena (even extreme ones, such harrasment) and the proportion of men and women in dating sites (see sources below), a person can arrive deductively that men take more initiative than women. Men tend to have higher average libido. The reasons why they tend to have higher average libido i.e. higher frequency in desire for sex (which translate in spontaneous desire) is exactly because they need a motivational state to drive such event as it is evolutionary more advantagious for a man to impregnate a lot of women than for a woman to be impregnated by a lot of men (which often reduce to just 1). For women become more advantagious instead to be more selective. The fact that men (and males in general) tend to have an higher frequency in libido than females (expecially in terms if spontaneous desire) already suggest that men will seek more sexual encounters on average than their counterparts (which translate in taking more initiative), which already create an imbalance in demand and supply on that specific front (which many marketers and the p*rn industry know, hence why they often tend to target men rather than women [1]). [1] "Gender Differences in P***graphy Consumption among Young Heterosexual Danish Adults", Gert Martin Hald This already by itself can be a physiological variable that can influence mating strategies and sexual selection (which occured in humans if you acknowledge that male tend to be on average stronger than women; the explaination of the relatioship between sex drive and sexual selection have been redacted on a recent study made on the drosophila [2]) [2] "Male Sex Drive and the Maintenance of Sex: Evidence from Drosophila " by Rama S. Singh In normal conditions there are also effectively more risk for a woman than there are for a man (also in relationship of choosing the wrong partner, as there will be a waste of resources and parental investment), thus it doesn't make sense that nature will not invest any resources to make them more selective (for example by giving them a different frequency/type of libido [3], increasing the onset of anxiety in them to also increase the likehood of risk assessment in specific perceived dangerous conditions [4] [5] [6] and altering the amount of men they found attractive just from first sight - in terms of aestethics and instant physical attractiveness - or increasing the frequency of a different metric of attractiveness [7] [8][9]). [3] "Sex drive: Theoretical conceptualization and meta-analytic review of gender differences", Julius Frankenbach [4] "THE EVOLUTIONARY PURPOSE AND SIGNIFICANCE OF ANXIETY IN WOMEN" by Emily Cioch [5] "Genetic origins of anxiety in women: a role for a functional catechol-O-methyltransferase polymorphism" by Enoch Marie-Anne [6] "Gender Differences in the Neurobiology of Anxiety: Focus on Adult Hippocampal Neurogenesis", Alessandra Aparecida Marques [7] "The perception of sexual attractiveness: sex differences in variability" by J M Townsend [8] "Sex differences in sexual attraction for aesthetics, resources and personality across age", Stephen Whyte [9] "Are Men More Interested in Women Than Vice Versa?", Psychology Today (Not peer reviewed but still related article)
Well, the guy who said the "hotdog on the ground outside" thing actually sounds like making a joke. Btw. I read an article earlier today in the "Idaho Statesman" and it said that the Idaho murderer was condescending towards women and disliked LGBTIQ+ people. I assume it will only be a few days until we hear that he was an incel with a right-wing worldview.
I did read something lately saying men are like pasta: when we say we like pasta, we mean well cooked, seasoned pasta, not uncooked pasta. Incels are pasta who's been rotting in the fridge for 3 month
I had a guy I was nice to, start being really creepy to me, was pushing me to date him and shit when I said no. Tried to make me feel bad for him etc. the last message from him was asking if I wanted to M*ST*RBATE WITH HIM. I haven’t talked to him since
Wow your hair looks amazing! It’s always looked cool but it really pops now you’ve had a cut and had the roots retouched. I would not have the patience to maintain rainbow but its so cool 🌈
It mostly reminds me of my favourite line from Meet the Robinsons when the main character calls out the Bowler Hat Guy. "Hmm, take responsibility for my own life, or blame you? DING DING DING! 'Blame you' wins hands down!"
Honestly I pity incels mostly. I am someone who has wanted a romantic partner for awhile but never found one, and it can feel very lonely when your friends and family are in relationships, and annoying when they keep asking if you’ve found someone yet. I get what Aromantic people mean to an extent when they say our society is obsessed with relationships and how isolating it can feel when you aren’t in one. However, Incels are much more aggressive because they feel like sex is something owed to them or that it’s not fair since they haven’t needed to be a good person to succeed at something before - and they are very dangerous as their incel behaviour compounds their loneliness and bitterness. I just wish many incels would go to therapy or open their echo chambers just enough to hear the whispers of reality, so they don’t have to be bitter lonely people anymore. It’s just sad in many ways.
How do you know people don’t pity YOU? I used to be an incel and I can tell you, only the few far gone ones are “entitled” most of them have simply convinced themselves they’ve lost. Also radical feminist behavior is also dangerous because you have women saying “kill all men” very vocal don’t you think? And these damned souls can’t open their echo chambers because they show all the pain they carry and they’re always laughed at for it. Human affection is something nice to have, we all need it once in a while but if you give up from the get go it’s so depressing
@@RaidenMustDie3594 I’m sorry, I think there was a miscommunication. I do agree that extremists just make more extremists, and many Twitter feminists are contributing to the bigger problems that cause Incels - shaming men for having feelings. I do personally think empathy is the bigger solution, but that can only come from within at the end of the day since no one can force you to change your mind. However, the attitude of many incels perpetuate ideas that women only exist for sex/relationships. I call it “entitlement” because it IS an attitude of entitlement, whether the person truly believes it or not, it says that men are inherently deserving of being given sex by a woman just by wanting it.
@@everest5718 omg I wish I could give you a big kiss on your forehead because you gave the best answer possible. Thank you for acknowledging extremist feminists are hurting people, thank you for believing in empathy, being an incel is a harrowing experience, it actually has nothing to do with forcing a woman to be in a relationship, being an incel is depressing. Body shaming also plays a part in it since society has convinced some that height and muscle matters, I love you, I hope your journey is filled with love and treasures ❤️
there is this song of an brazilian person who made a song mocking this type of people and one part of the lyrics is "im MGTOW, I hate woman, but if one of them says "hi" to me im never leaving her alone" and i think about it constantly
I love when sonic memes like that. I think for the cousin one, massages are weird from family. It could be my history with SA, but I'm not even a fan of PDA with my partner. So I could be a lot more reserved.
I do think that a lot of young men are becoming isolated, and when they feel alone, it's natural to turn to extremes and hate, anger at not being a part of something. I think we should all remember that being kind and opening conversations is a good place to start to overcome these problems.
11:38 the difference is if I got hungry enough i would eat that damn hot dog but nothing will get me to date a misogynist. If I was so full, I was about to puke and my option was to talk to the misogynist or eat that hotdog. I might choose the goddamn hotdog.
Bruh. That vendiagram isn't remotely true. If It were, you need to run. It works for either side. If you do everything for them and they expect you to then that's not a healthy relationship
Something that I realized from this video is that my friend fits this description and he’s also very homophobic. As someone who identifies as a bisexual person this greatly offended me but I remain friends with him because he thinks I’m the dumb one. This is reason 923 why most people (including men) hate incels
1:31 Well, I don't think that not realizing you're doing something totally wrong is a choice. Sure, they can change, but they have to first aknowledge that getting laid isn't anyones right and that it kinda involves other people who also have feelings.
It’s their looks, height, being non NT or other genetic factors. There are plenty of men with what you would call a bad personality who are very sexually successful.
Short, chubby, nerdy hobbies? That sounds like Dionysus, the god of getting laid. The only difference is that Dionysus didn't belittle, degrade, shame, and creep out women. That's the key, honestly respecting people of all genders (and in Dionysus's case all species too) as actual sentient, intelligent people.
Some people should think that if they can't get sex, is that a con? Maybe your life style just don't align well with having sex with others? Maybe there's something in your life that you have in more regard than getting sexual fulfilment? I am not talking about asexuality, is just that maybe sex with others/the_one isn't as necessary as it seem?
The way you should view people is how you view comic books when you get them into a relationship right every comic book is somebody’s first my logic I bring to that is every person is somebody’s first you’re not I mean you may not be somebody’s first, but somebody might be your first and there’s nothing wrong with that you know I mean
I've just clicked on this and I assumed it would be r/niceguys, but I like the sound of this lol. We like to see incels cry, because they are terrifying and horrible people. Also yeah, thank you for omitting the triggering stuff.
Ive made fake tinder accounts where the profile is of a hot guy. And i could get away with anything. I even put “former child rapist/i beat a woman” in the bio and women still matched and wanted to hookup so idk what to belive anymore. From what i see you can be a literal monster but if your hot then its ok. So i proved that the only thing that matters is attractiveness and height.
@@emilybarclay8831 no i repeatedly brought it up to several women and they said they were ok with it. They thought i was real and even gave me their real addresses(i verified). As long as youre hot, you can get away with anything. There is no moral center. Thats the simple truth. Im sorry if that makes you mad. But you would probably have sex with a rapist or murderer if he was hot too
@@lv1543 again these sorts of ‘experiments’ are so common that it’s obvious you were not telling the truth. And people are on those apps to fuck, not play your games. You had literally no proof so why would they believe you? If I tell you I cured cancer, do you believe me? People say shit on the internet that isn’t true lol
they're the same people who will immediately make a man suicidal when he's like "i have feelings, i'm a person, don't say that about me" when talking about "roast culture".
These dudes act like they are involuntarily celibate, blaming women for it. Even if these guys all were hot, there are only so many skinny, young, virgin 10's to go around
To the term "incel" meaning "involuntary celibacy"... I am a SEX-REPULSED ASEXUAL. I still have more sex regularly (read: per year) than the most-"nice guy" Incel has in their lives, just because I'm not a misogynistic creep. I am voluntarily celibate, and yet am the absolute antithesis of celibate. So no incel ever can claim that they didn't make the choice to be celibate...because I have made the active choice to be celibate and I still can't be celibate.
@@green2498 That’s a low standard, then. Feral goblins with gangrene are more beautiful than me even at my sexiest. So… you admit looks don’t matter at all.
Female is a biological sex that you can be born with. Woman/girl is a gender based on culture norms. Usually people who are female are also a woman but that’s not always true. Hope this helps?
I just treat women like humans. It works out great for me. I'm not interested in sex, but I've heard many of my female friends say they would definitely "Let me get it" if I wanted it.
There are legitimate problems that make it more difficult for men to form relationships, which are mostly caused by toxic masculinity and the worldview that men always have to be dominant and hypermasculine. The issue with incels, and people like Andrew Tate, is that they don't actually want to fix problems that hurt men and are caused by patriarchal norms and toxic masculinity, they just want to reinforce those ideas and have men occupy those dominant positions.
@@kaodi6993 No they're not celibate by choice. Maybe the definition originally most commonly referred to that but now, the word incel usually refers to frustrated men who can't have relationships (sexual or other) with women and so show a lot of resentment and hate towards women publicly (online).
"what are you supposed to call females that is non derogatory?!" - Woman (adult) - Girl (child) - Lass (child) - Lady (adult) - Chick (adult) - Gurl (💅) - Your highness (all) - Your grace (all) ✨And many more✨
@@passionate_possum_pal I do have to admit I like bro and pal, but I'm a guy so... Anyway, most of my list is trying to be feminine-specific, except your Highness
At this point, I find it hard to laugh about incels. Considering how quickly these communities seem to grow and that some of them are absolutely willing to act out in violent ways...
@KC be nice to men then. Smile at one if you get the chance. Women are also dangerous lol also it’s scary how women will hijack feminism to make men an enemy. It’s scary how a lady can go down the feminism pipeline just because a guy dumped her lmao
There was a group of articles in the UK in maybe 2018 saying incels are dangerous and a rising terrorist group because of a man who killed a woman and iirc 2 kids just because she didn't go out with him
@@me-dc8pj I mean they are sick individuals, but tbh incels are too busy playing video games, being on the internet, and being lazy to actually coordinate with one another and become a whole ass terrorist cell
Once a dude tried to hit on me by lecturing me about how if he ever got me pregnant, he'd make sure to have the kid DNA tested whether I approved or not, because only a beta male would raise a kid he didn't know 100% was his child, and my word wouldn't matter, and step dads aren't real men. What a winner.
Dude, what the frick?! That's insanity. I wonder what he thinks of men like my dad, who stepped up for my mom and half-sister when her bio-dad walked out on them. They got married and lived as a family, then a few years down the line had me together. So he's both a stepdad and a bio-dad in the same family unit. Really screws with that crazy guy's argument, huh 😅
This guy probably thinks "gift = non-monetary payment for sex", so "free gift" under his definition might be something most people define simply as "gift". It's usual for the likes of him to think that women are wending machines and if you give them enough attention and/or gifts, sex will fall out. 🤮
A major reason for enabling an Incel mindset is the segregation of a house into male and female sections. That happens a lot in India whether in informal family settings or at events.
Honestly, most of gender segregation is based on exaggerated, meaningless stereotypes. Being nb and apart of the trans community has lead me to see how fragile and minor the differences are compared to how major everyone seems to act like they are. Monolithic stereotypes don’t really work when gender breaks down and you see how much differences are artificially perpetuated by socialization and society. Biologically, in the wider scheme of things it’s negligible especially when you take into account the vast spectrum humans exist on regardless of sex.
Yeahh, aswell as culture it’s also religion banning men and women from talking to each other and banning relationships, even friendships and then lo behold you have no idea how to communicate with the opposite gender.
im fairly active on inceltear and as horrible as the things youve shown are, thats like level 1 stuff out of 10. these people are INSANE. ive had a fair share of DMs from incels with some saying just atrocious things, ironically insulting my disabilities (even tho a lot of them blame their disabilities for not being able to get laid) but the most interesting thing about them is that most of them haven't actually been rejected that much. a lot of them have never even tried to get to know and ask out a girl and others have only done so a few times and took 2-3 rejections as "ALL women are worthless and will never love me and its their fault." they're insane people. also, if incels manage to find this, RIP your DMs. note that ive only talked to incels because im interested in them psychologically. when they msg me i end up asking a lot of questions but they never have any accountability. when i ask them why they think women reject them its either looks, height, or no answer they can think of. it's just so crazy how their minds work.
@KC Yeah we really do need to collectively stop the notion “boys will be boys” and raise them to be accountable for their actions and behavior, because there doesn’t seem to be enough of that. Unfortunately, at least according to popular media and many polls, women do prefer taller men (taller than them, the 6’+ only thing is fiction) so for a guy who’s 5’5” or less dating can be harder but /obviously/ not impossible. They’re like a student who gets a D on their first test and then just gives up even though there’s ample opportunity to do better in the future. They also base the lives of women after very attractive women. They deluded themselves into thinking 100% of women have an easy life, get assured jobs/money/marriage even ugly ones. It’s absurd and they make up these stories about how all women have it easy and all go for attractive men only and I guess feel jealousy for this supposed easy life women have? It’s just so strange
@KC ... Just imagine for a minute that a world exists that is geared almost entirely for "other people". Where for the first part of your life you are surrounded by those "other people" who teach you that what you are and can not control is bad and that you should be more like those "other people", that anything that comes naturally to you is "toxic" or "Entitled" and that you have nothing to add, should make room for and should be quiet because you are an oppressor at best and quite possibly an evil criminal. Then imagine that you have this urge to be with those people even after all of that but get constantly rejected. Given the above scenario (if that world exists) do you think that someone would feel good or bad about themselves and have resilience, or would they just give up?
@@LoudmouthReviewsSee, that just tells me you don’t really have any female friends. If you did, you’d know that plenty of women experience rejection. I’ve been rejected romantically more than the three times this comment section is talking about. And you know what? It eventually worked out for me, and I’m in a happy and mutually satisfying relationship with someone I plan to marry. But if I’d given up because my first efforts at dating didn’t go well, I’d still be wallowing in my failure. Of course, if you’ve been told so often by a bunch of GUYS that “women NEVER experience rejection because guys have no standards and will sleep with any woman when they get the chance, so women have limitless options” that you don’t believe me, there’s probably nothing I can say to convince you. I’d just urge you to reflect on why it is that you trust a group of thoroughly miserable men to tell you about women’s experiences, more than women ourselves. Because I’m telling you right now, our lives are not some unending stream of romantic interest where everyone we ever love or want loves or wants us back. There’s plenty of rejection out there as a woman, too. Even people you’d think would never get rejected sometimes fall for people who just aren’t that into them. It happens.
@@melanieenglish2664 "I’d just urge you to reflect on why it is that you trust a group of thoroughly miserable men to tell you about women’s experiences, more than women ourselves." I don't I trust my own eyes and ears. I ignore what women say and I pay attention to what they do.
I’ve always wondered why incels think they’d have better chances in the 50s or something. Yeah, the women stayed at home and cooked and cleaned and took care of the children, but you had stricter courting rules back then with chaperones and stronger purity culture. Life may have been easier once you got a wife, but you had to charm a woman long enough for her to accept a proposal *and* you better be making enough to support an entire family of 5 on your own or she’s not saying yes. Like, there were still nerds and weirdos and incels back in the day, and they still didn’t get married.
Those guys have an image of the 50's that is informed by American propaganda They conviniently ignore the reason America was so affluent in the 50s was because of World War II. America was reaping the depts of other countries and hundreds of thousands of men were killed which thinned the 'competion' Also good luck if you're not white lmao
6:26 I mean, I wasn’t born learning terms like ‘Cisgender’ or ‘Cis-Het’ but I’m baffled by people who think it’s a newfangled invention. No, it’s not. Expand your vocabulary.
Oh my gods YES my dad says "females" and when I told him to say "women" he got so pissed off and was like "OH GREAT now we can't say anYTHING because everybody gets offended" and I explained that why would you call a woman a "female" if humans are the superior species? We aren't mindless animals that don't have thoughts or dreams, we don't have "mating season" or breeding season, we don't migrate from one place to another just for that so why on earth would you a call a woman a "female"? He got upset and hasn't tried to change but he's stubborn and too exhausting to deal with.
Just ask him which species is he talking about whenever be sags females. Or just play dumb and go like "what I don't think dogs drive at all" "oooh you were talking about women not female dogs, I didn't realise"
Right, it's so weird how people won't see the issue, especially when they aren't exclusively referring to men as "makes" 🙄 Willful ignorance and sexism for sure.
“S//x with a woman is a biological necessity” Me in the middle of drawing Todd & Maude from Bojack Horseman next to my many ace pins & wearing my ace ring like 👀😗
@@hyperboliccancers3269 not at all, thats not how it works. Celibacy is a choice though, so if thats what youre asking yes? But ive known i was asexual since i was nine, i love Bojack Horseman because theres characters like me in it
I self-reflect and still am basically and incel (I think, I dunno anymore, I'm really confused and frustrated) Sorry I know you didn't want to hear that. I just want to get these thoughts and feelings out of my head and into the real world
@@painunending4610 honestly, you’re allowed to feel frustrated. I was like you once (except fem, so femcel) and it was mostly mental health issues that brought me to that point. It’s just when you go on these forms and join the echo chamber of negativity. Your thoughts fester and grow worse and more hateful. Joining them is the worst thing you can possibly do to yourself.
@@sinclair707 Thanks. You're right and I do try to maintain an attitude that looks and moves forward and doesn't fester. It's ok and even neccesary to stop and feel your feelings, but after you do you carry on Glad you got out of that mindset and you're mental health issues aren't as bad anymore. have a great day!
To all incels: Treat us like we're people, respect our preferences, & don't think that just because we're dating or married means ur owned sex as some of us don't want to have sex all the time or we're ace. Dating & marriage is a partnership not one person dominating the other outside of a consented power dynamic that is safe for both people involved where safe words are used & breaks are given
@@Bug_in_a_log it’s extremely painful, it’s a black hole that lets no light escape. You convince yourself that no one will love you because of something physically wrong with you, no one will love you so what’s the point in trying. When I was an incel I remember isolating myself in my room with as little light as possible, crying, bawling my eyes out because I wasn’t worthy of the love of another human, I drank copious amounts of alcohol because at least the loneliness and pain became indistinguishable from one another. When I was an incel, I never once thought I was owed, or entitled to something, my heart would hurt…”I’m not good enough for love, and I am sorry for existing” I thought
@@RaidenMustDie3594 im glad your out of that :( I wouldn't call what you had as "incel" bc you were and are self aware enough, you just needed to find a way and you did. And that my friend Makes you an absolute CHAD
12:30 I'm actually writing a story about this RN. I feel like men often think we have things "easy", but that's because they haven't lived the dehumanizing experience of being a woman. Being a woman and surviving in this world often means having to sacrifice your dignity and being submissive and humilliated, maybe by allowing someone to belittle you or even...sacrificing your s*xual health, like often happens in relationships with incels. It truly can be such a frustrating demeaning experience that these people think we choose, because they're not considering 1 how our bodies work, how we're not as strong as men and often can't "fight back" or hoe we often have to rely on someone else's strenght 2 how the world percieves us (because these people themselves are part of that world). I don't think men have it easier than us, but I do often wish I had the choice to buy my freedom
@@jasonpickles2576 Well yeah ofc, they could listen to what we say too tho, it ain't that hard. Idk if anyone has it easier, I just think that men do have more power, which makes them have quite a lot of advantages over women, but that being said, that does mean they have more pressure on their shoulders. Great power takes great responsability! As a woman, I'd take that deal without any doubt, but idk if it means it's easier or not. Imo is kind of a pointless comparison and it's much better to just focus on what is hurting us both in our culture
I was once told by a guy that it's much easier for women to be hot because they just have to not be fat slobs who shovel food in their face all day, where as men have to work on getting ripped...and this was on a weight-loss forum! I about laughed so hard I started wheezing! Even the other men on the forum started making fun of him for that because they were actual grown ups who'd had the experience of going on a weight-loss plan as a couple, and losing 20 lbs in a month while their wife lost 6!
"but that's because they haven't lived the dehumanizing experience of being a woman" I once read about a woman who was forced to pay for her own drinks and I cried myself to sleep thinking of all she suffered 🙃
My brother (17) is an 'incel' and I can hear every single word that he says because our rooms are directly next to each other with a very thin wall. It is terrifying and we had so many arguments and he claims he'll never marry or get a wife because he's 'always in the 'friend zone" while simultaneously making fun of everyone who is 'cringe' or 'woke'.
And then there's me, audhd, non-binary and aroace pansexual and very progressive.
I have no idea how we grew up in the same household
Talk to him, ask him where these thoughts come from, try to help him feel better about himself instead of outing him on the internet. He’s likely in great pain listen ti him and help him, even if he acts like he doesn’t want help
@@RaidenMustDie3594 I know you intent well but he is very drawn to violence and he has been mistrusting since he was a baby. The last time I tried talking to him, did he insult me, triggered the trauma he caused me on purpose, made fun of how sensetive women are and only didn't hit me so I couldn't show it to our parents. And I know where these thoughts come from and what caused them but he refuses any help, just gets more aggressive and quite Frankly do I not care. He got every opportunity to get help he could've ever wished for for literal years. I will out him on the internet as much as I want because he actively chooses to be a bad person and doesn't want to change in the slightest. So if I decide to open up a bit of my experience with living with him, is it not up to anyone to tell me to try and help him. I did try. And it caused me even more trauma then I already had. I don't care if he is in pain. He chooses to be in it.
@@blossomtree9384 you are in your right to have him institutionalized when someone causes harm to another because of their mental condition you can restrain them by force, and have a psychologist speak to them if he ever goes further with the violence.
@@RaidenMustDie3594 not the worst idea but I'll be happy when he firstly moves out and I can relax a bit more
@@blossomtree9384 I can see where you are coming from, I used to be violent myself, I learned on my own how to not be, because no one wanted to try to teach me how to not be, just a side note, 50% of ADHDers have an autstic sibling, and vis versa, and some Incels are autstics without the right surport who found/were found by incels, and as an autstic myself, I can defiently understand how they would fall into it, it paints the world as if there is a formala, and it gives it to them, I can see how it sounds safer then the chaos life actully is, so yeah, hopefully some day your brother can come around, plus, being a teenager is hard, there is a lot going on, and no one has the answers you need, because they are things you have to answer yourself, there is actually a high chance he will get better in his 20s, espesully if he can get in a collge or uni, some dervisty would do him some good, so will his hormones stablizing.
What I love is watching incels collapse at the idea of trans guys. You want someone biologically female? Me and loads of my friends dude? Oh no, the beard is off putting? Guess you should redefine your terms
Nah only hot women are considered women to them. I spent my teen years in nerd spaces and ive seen enough of this.
"Oh you 'want a girl that's just like one of the boys?' Have you tried dating the boys?"
@@relzyn5545 "Have you tried dating tomboys?"
"Only Sports Illustrated cover models (before 2020) plz."
Is being Ginophilic or Androphilic (i.e. liking women or liking men; i.e. being straight or gay depending on the sex of the person) a biological or a social tendency? Is being gay or androphilic a result of a conscious choice ?
+ this can even be more deceiving consider that many men may settle quite a lot easier compared to their counterparts.
If you go in a site with many virgins they may have a crush on you for simply saying that you are a woman
Beards are cringe af. That said don't trans men constantly complain about feeling like "small boys" and develope serious inadequacies regarding the fact they pass or not?
An incel told me that if I ever spoke to a woman, I would be arrested.
I pointed out that I had already spoken to dozens of women that day, with no such result.
Incels think that "speaking to a woman" involves walking up to a complete stranger and touching them inappropriately followed by screaming about the matrix, so he was probably speaking from his own experience...
@@squidthing
That may be.
I know I said "Hello" to a woman today, on the bus. She said "Hello" back. And we talked briefly about the traffic in town.
She seemed to have zero problem with my engaging in conversation.
But again, boundaries. I respected her space. So there was zero problem.
I have no idea who she was. But I did respect her space. And I was polite.
Maybe that was the difference
They must be assuming everyone speaks to women the same creepy way they do
Women might talk to you for entertainment and validation
But you will never and WOULD never have had a chance to become romantically or sexually involved
Women tolerate ugly men who act like doormats. Any ugly dude who shows confidence or stands up for himself is demonized
@@jacksonfitzsimmons4253
Ummm... yeah.
About that...
Have been both romantically, and sexually, involved with a few women over the years.
Have never acted like a doormat, for anyone.
And have never been demonized by a woman.
Funny how that works.
The whole "skinny, young, non paid, virgin women" one is so true. Not even for incels , just for some adult men I've met who wonder why they can't get a girlfriend, but then tell me they don't want to date any woman who is over the age of 20, over 120 lbs, black or brown, a LiBeRaL, taller than 5'2 etc. (These are all real restrictions on their *nonexistent* girlfriends I have been given by men)
@KC My gf is 39 and I'm 28... that checks out lol I struck gold 😏
They want an inexperienced woman because she's more likely to be impressed by his 3 pumps
Like, even when I was at my skinniest I was at least 125lbs...and 5'3". Maybe I have a dick, maybe I have a vagina, they don't know. All I know is that despite not knowing who you're mentioning, the specific people you're talking about with those requirements have almost certainly wanked off once or three times to my boobs. And yet if I showed up in front of them, I'm not "good enough" for them.
"The whole "skinny, young, non paid, virgin women" one is so true"
Its not true at all its one of the dumbest strawmen ever made. They did an experiment where they photoshopped body hair and a pig nose on a morbidly obese woman and guess what the profile still got dozens of matches quickly. Men have no standards and don't turn women down
@@LoudmouthReviews matches on a dating app arent representative of a willingness to actually DATE a person. In addition, this isn't a strawman (im not trying to dismantle any argument here). This is just an allegory from my personal life and interactions I have had with *several* male friends.
"it should be equal" not in the sense that one of you cooks one night, the other the next. If one partner prefers cooking, there's nothing wrong with them doing it every night (if they want to.) So long as the other partner takes up another job to make up for it (like doing dishes)
Yeah I'd agree. It requires communication and consent and definitely isn't limited by gender role ideas in a healthy relationship
One time I was at a comic book/game store and a group of guys who were playing Yugioh (that game attracts SO MANY incels and nahtzees apparently) were catcalling me and telling me that I shouldn't be wearing my Suicide Silence shirt because "deathcore is not for the female race." As I walked away one of the guys was like, "I hate those goddamn metal chicks because they will never date me and are all gay." My jaw dropped and I reported them to someone working at the store and eventually they got kicked out.
Sorry that happened, but good for you for not putting up with that idiocy and reporting them. These fools need more natural consequences for their bad behavior.
The level of self-destructive anti-logic is both hilarious and frustrating.
Yeah my store doesn't allow that kind of bullshit. I'm not super over the top woke, but I don't want toxic behavior in my store either.
Yeah and then everyone in the store clapped for you right?
I'm sorry that they said those things to you!
and you got good taste!! do you also happen to like Carnifex, Rings of Saturn, Betraying the Martyrs, Whitechapel, DEVILOOF, or Crystal Lake? (I'm excited to meet anyone who loves heavy music as much as me🤘)
i could have punched them. I would totally make a scene and confront them ahah
The “biological necessity” thing is the incel’s baseline argument, whether they’re using that exact term or not. Orgasm is natural to want. Social interaction is natural to want. The struggle with constantly overlapping those two ideas is where incels start to think in circles. It’s a closed track, and each cycle takes them further into that morphed personal version of “biology”.
Idk I don't really feel a need to orgasm, maybe when I'm bored sometimes.
sex repulsed ppl with social anxiety: *its tough to be a god*
They use that biological urge argument when people call them out for creeping on random girls. More often than not it's used as a cop out to downplay piggish behavior.
@@cynister7384 I don’t think there’s an ultimate need to orgasm. It’s just a general “want” for some people, and incel culture sees most wants as needs.
@@AKA253 Yes that’s it really. No concept of the difference between a want and a need.
You'd swear they're allergic to the word "woman". Nothing triggers them like that. Their perception of other people and feminist issues is so warped that they've become convinced that it's a taboo word or something?? Soo bizarre and just endlessly fascinating
I think the people who think you can’t say “woman” are confused because they were told not to call someone “woman”. Like, “Hey woman, make me a sandwich” or whatever. You can refer to women as women, you can’t refer to a woman as “woman”.
Also because medical groups who deal with specific body parts are moving to terms like "people who menstrate".
@@SarahBent they're feigning ignorance to be transphobic/misogynistic, sure.
I'm saying that incels are using it as a "no one let's me say words like woman anymore" not that using those terms is bad. I'm really glad that organizations are being more inclusive. And also I should type YT comments in the morning before tea.
@@SarahBent Yeah, I misread your comment at first, my bad. I see what you mean!
@@clubafterlife no worries - it's on me to write clearly. Lol
8:11 I don't even think that it's about them not treating us like people as much as they don't even know how to treat people. I can't imagine that their interactions with healthy adult men are actually appropriate either.
I feel like this is evident in their hatred of “chads” which are just men who aren’t bitter incels like them
@@peppermintbark3992 they believe that any woman with a man other than them is terrible and that that man has to be physically desirable. And if that man isn't stereotypically attractive, they become utterly confused and get angry at, you guessed it, *women*
I feel like people give too much credit to "poorly socialized young men" and not enough credit to "many men feel deeply entitled to a domestic slave/sex pet."
@Darkwing Duck you're right, they're not mutually exclusive. My point is that it's uncouth, callous, and contributing to the culture of entitlement to prioritize mending their hurt feelings over the bigotry being taught and perpetuated. Especially when that message of sympathy and tolerance is preached almost entirely to their victims.
i think that's because speaking as though all incels are the latter only drives them further into that ideology. don't get me wrong, a scary lot of them are but some of them aren't yet and just DESPERATELY need social interaction with people outside of incel circles before they stop being so innocent. it is kinda placating people who probably don't deserve it, but given how deep and violent the incel iceberg gets i think it's worth it to not let them go without help
"many men feel deeply entitled to a domestic slave/sex pet."
only in certain video games
@@bumblerbree Incel communities are heavily based in the latter, it's not a label for every sad lonely guy. It also doesn't exclude them from help, and if being told "the way you're dehumanizing women isn't cool" is too spicy a take and should be avoided when offering help out of the ideology... I question again why people value the incel ego over the humanity of women. Helping people and enabling their atrocious justifications ARE mutually exclusive things.
@ApplesWithPeanutButter my guy I was raised with and by those men. I know firsthand what kind of people they are and who is responsible, and moreso, that people are responsible for their own actions and behavior. If it was just a socialization problem WHY ARE THERE SO MANY MEN IN THE SAME EXACT SITUATIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARENT INCELS. You can't tolerate the bigotry out of someone, especially when you're a part of the oppressed class they hate.
I feel really bad for the woman who started the incel movement as a way of bringing people with illnesses/disabilities together. I can't even begin to imagine how she felt when the term was stolen and appropiated by a bunch of misoginistic creeps.
Wait, did it really start that way? I'm genuinely curious.
Wait yeah I didn’t know the incel movement was anything else in the past
@@writingghost7795 Yes. It was started in 1997 as a project by a transgender college student by the name of Alana, who created it as a way for people all over the world *no matter their gender/race/sexuality* who hadn't had a relationship in a long time/none at all (mainly due to mental/physical disabilities, illnesses, etc, or at leat that's what I read) and tell their experiences, when she came out as a trans woman in 2000, she began to be more comfortable in her identity and leaving the project, giving it to someone else.
She spoke about it again in 2018, saying that the original community was nothing like it is now and it now has become into a sad, twisted interpretation of its original meaning. She also expressed that she was saddened something she had created to bring people together had turned into a name for (as in, had been appropiated by) a bunch of misoginistic men who hate on women for no reason.
@@BurgerBoi1 I'm really glad you made this comment. There's still a split in the community of... whatever you want to call people who struggle to find their first relationship (from "loveshy" to "incel" to now I'm seeing "older virgin" taking off). It does skew very heavily male, and what I've seen over time is that 1) new forums/subs/channels are formed to talk about solving those problems. 2) Men who've turned their fear and loneliness into toxicity and misogyny take over and become more vocal. 3) This chases away the shy people who know it's their struggle and are just lonely (and often some type of neurodivergent. 4) The community is now a ruined cesspool.
I'm currently in such an online space as a non-virgin mod and it's been a very chill and healthy space, although I'm reluctant to say where it is in a RUclips comment for obvious reasons. It's been a really great resource for everyone to cultivate friendships, find therapy and/or advice for overcoming shyness and other obstacles, to commiserate about loneliness and so forth. Anecdotally, most of the regulars who have been in there for over a year have found relationships. Those who haven't, are at least finding intimate friendships with each other and self-acceptance, which is what the true social need is that's missing.
It always kind of irked me too since I developed an illness in 2017 that physically made sex impossible. The group of TRULY involuntary celibate is full of heartbreak, strength and chronic illness warriors.
"What do men even get out of a relationship?" A longer lifespan because most of the housework and planning gets delegated to the gf/wife. Next
such a funny question like umm companionship and love....ideally(?)
I thought house work was sexist and misogynistic, next
@@RaidenMustDie3594 only when the woman is expected to do all of it, next.
@@audreydoyle5268 aight make sure to buy your man a flower once in a while, we like flowers too
@@RaidenMustDie3594 yes because giving your partner dying plant matter is equivalent to laboring through a dirty home. Lol
sex literally isnt a necessity. so gross imo. like no ones owned sex, it just feels so manipulative to say that it is.
Im asexual and some people(luckily only on the internet) have said that I am "damaging my boyfriend" because I don't have sex with him? Like it's so funny to me, they really have issues . I understand that some people prefer a sexual relationship, but he is my boyfriend ofcourse he knows about it and knew right from the start because it's pretty important information😭
@Ville is this /srs ??
@@unseenmolee its a troll ://
Actually sex is a necessity for the propagation of the species and it's only a lifetime of propaganda that's got you thinking that we should eradicate our species a lifetime of propaganda that has got you going against the most basic and natural urge..
This channel is a Bastion for the brainwashed and I pity I truly pity all of you.
They started rolling out this propaganda when I was in grade two,, I am 40 now, with a great career in engineering and zero children because that's what they ingrained in my generation,,, I'm also multi-ethnic and for the first 30 years of my life I got asked what exactly my Origins were I never found it offensive however for the last 10 years I've been told that I'm the white devil,,,, for the first 30 years when people asked what my Origins were it was never hateful or cruel but for the last 10 years I have seen actual violence and hate because I pass for white these days, funny thing is my face and body haven't changed it all, I still have plenty of very ethnic features but the world has got everyone hating pale skin so much that people can't even see Beyond skin tone anymore..
And yes darling you are damaging your boyfriend you're abusing him if you're not willing to be in a fully functional healthy relationship then be alone, and sex is part of a romantic relationship,, also you might want to understand the words you're calling yourself a little bit better because you cannot breed with yourself and that's what asexual is
Women LITERALLY takes pills that fuck up their hormones and body and go through terrible operations in order to still have sex and avoid pregnancy, but those same women who hold the entire control over the sexual market decision and consents are telling us that sex is not important. It's like you're dying of under hydratation in the middle of desert and they come upon you drinking water saying that it's not important
Incel coverage is so much easier to digest than phobe coverage. I can laugh at the shortcomings of incels but the phobes make my blood boil.
for realll
Honestly, it makes my blood ionize.
Sometimes it makes my internal organs collapse, so yes, much easier to digest something when my stomach isn't disabled.
The overlap between both is tough tho
@DOOM! Like homophobe, transphobe, etc.
it's terrifying to know that me being a kind person and a generally affectionate friend means that some people think i wanna fuck them. which i do know, because it has led to people thinking that. i think these people need some more genuine friendships!!!
edit: i wrote this comment in a hurry because i had to go back to work and it's somehow accumulated a lot of likes so i wanna clarify it further. i wish they'd have genuine friendships, so that they can experience how fulfilling they can be with no romance involved and develop deep emotional connections, instead of just leaping on every "opportunity" for sex!
Man, I feel ya. For me its a weird situation where I give them kindness and act like a decent person (bc thats how I was raised thank god) but I never end up keeping the friendships bc THESE ppl kind of ruin being nice ig(?? Idk how else to put it without sounding like one myself lol)
You put this into words perfectly. It happens to me sometimes with people in general. But when I’m trying to befriend a guy, they always, always end up telling me they’re into me.
Out of topic ur pfp is so cute!💖
@@jzorto8955 yeahhh, same, fortunately most people in my life have gotten the message that i am *very* gay! but i do also rarely get it from other queer people, but that's not even remotely on the level of incels!!
@@roni_macaroni6179 THANK YOU SO MUCH ;; that art is actually sorta old and i've been thinking of updating it with some of my new art but maybe... i'll keep it a little longer
I don’t get the biological necessity thing, like do they expect women to be brought to them against their will?
That's literally what many of them want and have talked about making it mandatory in a Handmaid's Tale way. They are also obsessed with adopting little girls and throw hissy fits about agencies having rules in place against young single men doing so.
Yeah, these freaks started talking about "government/state mandated girlfriends" which...yeah I've seen a thread on Reddit about some guy advocating for it asking "why did we ever get rid of arranged marriages?"
Either it's a shit joke from 4chan or some of these nerds have truly lost their minds
@@squidthing that’s really scary. I didn’t think they were this unhinged
@@squidthing yeah but why was 50 shades of grey so popular among women
@@beganitdidnt6535 It's fantasy. I like horror movies but that doesn't mean i like to be chased and killed by monsters.
The self awareness of comparing himself to a hotdog that's been sitting outside on the ground
I'm pretty sure that one is a joke, that's why the comparison is so accurate lol
Quote of the Day: “I didn’t really feel like having a PTSD Episode today.”
I'm just now considering... why does the term in-cel even .... Why... "Involuntarily not getting a thing I want that no one wants to give me".... "Not putting in any work, so people don't see any value in me".... And then they feel sorry for themselves? Nuts. Absolutely nuts.
They did co-opt the term from another group, so it was never accurated to begin with.
Women also follow Gender roles and stereotypes which contribute indeed to these phenomena. It is debatable if such tendecies are socially learned or biological.
Do you think that the fact that women tend to take less initiative than men or sometimes even expect men to do the first steps (there are data about that) "without putting any work in" is biological or socially learned?
Why data (i'm talking about peer reviewed studies; take 2 second to google it and have thousands of sources) show that women tend to prefer taller men than shorter men? Is it a biological preference or socially learned? Can this perception be changed/influenced? Are the preferences around having a specific type of partner with specific traits (from skin color up to specific cognitive skills - including social ones - or facial trait) all biological or can they be potentially changed?
Why women tend to follow the most femminine style of hair and clothing? Is hairstyle preference and way to dress biological or socially learned? So why they are endorsing such gender expectations and should we do anything to change such tendencies in preferences?
What are the consequences of that tendency?
You will see that the phenomena interplay with a lot of factors and the tendencies of both sexes.
@@MrHypnofan oh! I didn't know that. makes sense
@@creaomega2643 'facts'? a scientist's duty is to doubt, my dude. so, there's this concept in sociology -- that when there is already a natural phenomenon occurring, society over time will reinforce the phenomenon to the point it becomes more and more extreme. i presume you are talking about a generalised 'typical' USA culture?
the reality is, i could never presume why the straights do what they do.
why do people dress in a way to find a mate? gee, idk. :3
i'm a bit of an initiator, myself! i usually tell my gal friends "beggars can't be choosers". personally, i've found waiting around means i get hit on by a buncha slimeballs, and then sadly none of the sweethearts approach, or worse, become intimidated! this isn't a men & women issue, this phenomenon bleeds into LGBTQ lives as well.
look, we live in a society, and that means navigating awkward social scenarios. none of us know what we're doing, but hey, kinda going with natural instinct and the prescription that worked for others in our situations is a decent way to at least try! it's just harder to find a place and friends and romance when you are naturally quite different from most other people. it's rough. just gotta try to be decent to others and find the people who accept you for being a little strange.
the whys don't matter so much. i do feel bad for the straights tho. it sounds exhausting.
@@roxyndra "There are lot of statements stated as facts"
Which one? Be specific my dude
"When a scientist duty is to doubt"
Which i did, i said that it was debatable that many of such tendencies are exclusively social in nature...because indeed there is an entire scientific debate around Nature vs Nurture in science
"I'd ask citations"
No problem. There is an entire field in science called Neuroaesthetics that litteraly study our perception of beauty, with some studies having found some sexual dimorphism (which should be the predicted outcome if we assume that Gynophilia and Androphilia are not likely a product of a conscious choice, i.e. if sexual orientation is not a conscious choice* ) , althought the complete etiology of that dimorphism is not clear (Nature or Nurture? If both, in what proportion they play a role?).
RUclips shadowban your previous comment (i.e. i can only see it throught my notifications), so to avoid the same fate i will put the studies and reference titles, not link.
Let's start with the definition and what the field is:
"Neuroaesthetics", by mimesisjournal
"Effects of sexual dimorphism on facial attractiveness", by D. I. Perrett
*"Sexual orientation and gender identity" American Psychological Association
"Gynephilic Men's and Androphilic Women's Visual Attention Patterns: The Effects of Gender and Sexual Activity Cues" Klarah M K O'Kane
"The brightness dimension as a marker of gender across cultures and age", by Carla Sebastián-Enesco and Gün R. Semin
For General Mating Strategies and Human Mating Strategies there are hell of a lot of studies around our average behavioural tendencies in dating (which some concidently match the ones of other mammals) that i don't know where even begin.
Start from non-peer reviewed sources to have a general idea of what we are talking about. Check the wikipedia pages of "Mate choice" and Human Mating strategies and then check also the videos titled "Male vs Females: Sexual conflict" and "Why males are often more physically aggressive?" to understand how such differences can have evolutionary implications.
I will not flood you with sources (unless you ask me to) but among the peer reviewed ones i will share you the relevant ones that i think are more than enough to get a grasp of my argument.
Peer reviewed sources instead that you can read:
"Strategies of humam mating" by David M. Buss
"Human mating strategies: from past causes to present consequences" by Daniele Marzoli
"I presume we are trying to talk about USA culture"
No, i said culture in general. There are tendencies that are crosscultural, which in fact make the probability that such tendencies are due solely from social influences more unlikely.
"Plenty of societies have women who are the initiators"
Name it: Name one complex society in the entire history where rape, sexual harrasment, sexual advances and initiative are all committed or acted with drammatically higher average onset by women rather than men.
Spoiler: there are none.
In a relationship survey conducted by shaadi.com, about 90% men said they will make the first move in a relationship. Surprisingly, only 19% women said 'yes' and 10.5% said 'may be' to the question.
This mean that more than 70% of women said no in such situations (which soon you will see that match other datas).
But by already observing the data on specific social phenomena (even extreme ones, such harrasment) and the proportion of men and women in dating sites (see sources below), a person can arrive deductively that men take more initiative than women.
Men tend to have higher average libido.
The reasons why they tend to have higher average libido i.e. higher frequency in desire for sex (which translate in spontaneous desire) is exactly because they need a motivational state to drive such event as it is evolutionary more advantagious for a man to impregnate a lot of women than for a woman to be impregnated by a lot of men (which often reduce to just 1).
For women become more advantagious instead to be more selective.
The fact that men (and males in general) tend to have an higher frequency in libido than females (expecially in terms if spontaneous desire) already suggest that men will seek more sexual encounters on average than their counterparts (which translate in taking more initiative), which already create an imbalance in demand and supply on that specific front (which many marketers and the p*rn industry know, hence why they often tend to target men rather than women [1]).
[1]
"Gender Differences in P***graphy Consumption among Young Heterosexual Danish Adults", Gert Martin Hald
This already by itself can be a physiological variable that can influence mating strategies and sexual selection (which occured in humans if you acknowledge that male tend to be on average stronger than women; the explaination of the relatioship between sex drive and sexual selection have been redacted on a recent study made on the drosophila [2])
[2]
"Male Sex Drive and the Maintenance of Sex: Evidence from Drosophila " by Rama S. Singh
In normal conditions there are also effectively more risk for a woman than there are for a man (also in relationship of choosing the wrong partner, as there will be a waste of resources and parental investment), thus it doesn't make sense that nature will not invest any resources to make them more selective (for example by giving them a different frequency/type of libido [3], increasing the onset of anxiety in them to also increase the likehood of risk assessment in specific perceived dangerous conditions [4] [5] [6] and altering the amount of men they found attractive just from first sight - in terms of aestethics and instant physical attractiveness - or increasing the frequency of a different metric of attractiveness [7] [8][9]).
[3]
"Sex drive: Theoretical conceptualization and meta-analytic review of gender differences", Julius Frankenbach
[4]
"THE EVOLUTIONARY PURPOSE AND SIGNIFICANCE OF ANXIETY IN WOMEN" by Emily Cioch
[5]
"Genetic origins of anxiety in women: a role for a functional catechol-O-methyltransferase polymorphism" by Enoch Marie-Anne
[6]
"Gender Differences in the Neurobiology of Anxiety: Focus on Adult Hippocampal Neurogenesis", Alessandra Aparecida Marques
[7]
"The perception of sexual attractiveness: sex differences in variability" by J M Townsend
[8]
"Sex differences in sexual attraction for aesthetics, resources and personality across age", Stephen Whyte
[9]
"Are Men More Interested in Women Than Vice Versa?", Psychology Today
(Not peer reviewed but still related article)
'You ever heard the word Women'
Got me so good, I laughed out loud
Well, the guy who said the "hotdog on the ground outside" thing actually sounds like making a joke.
Btw. I read an article earlier today in the "Idaho Statesman" and it said that the Idaho murderer was condescending towards women and disliked LGBTIQ+ people.
I assume it will only be a few days until we hear that he was an incel with a right-wing worldview.
😐 incels again
I did read something lately saying men are like pasta: when we say we like pasta, we mean well cooked, seasoned pasta, not uncooked pasta.
Incels are pasta who's been rotting in the fridge for 3 month
I had a guy I was nice to, start being really creepy to me, was pushing me to date him and shit when I said no. Tried to make me feel bad for him etc. the last message from him was asking if I wanted to M*ST*RBATE WITH HIM. I haven’t talked to him since
Wow your hair looks amazing! It’s always looked cool but it really pops now you’ve had a cut and had the roots retouched. I would not have the patience to maintain rainbow but its so cool 🌈
i was having a really bad mental breakdown and came here cus I just really needed someone else(incels) to pity for 16 minutes, thank you
It mostly reminds me of my favourite line from Meet the Robinsons when the main character calls out the Bowler Hat Guy. "Hmm, take responsibility for my own life, or blame you? DING DING DING! 'Blame you' wins hands down!"
The character on the last meme being knuckles just makes it that much better.
WordArt hits different. It reminds me of Computer Classes in school. Also, I agree that the Meme is perfection.
Every time someone addresses someone else as a male or a female I am reminded of that one Jimmy Neutron sodium chloride scene
I’ve seen a Venn diagram that claims if you are into ritualistic cult sacrifice or jaywalking your into the other in that it’s a circle.
Honestly I pity incels mostly. I am someone who has wanted a romantic partner for awhile but never found one, and it can feel very lonely when your friends and family are in relationships, and annoying when they keep asking if you’ve found someone yet. I get what Aromantic people mean to an extent when they say our society is obsessed with relationships and how isolating it can feel when you aren’t in one.
However, Incels are much more aggressive because they feel like sex is something owed to them or that it’s not fair since they haven’t needed to be a good person to succeed at something before - and they are very dangerous as their incel behaviour compounds their loneliness and bitterness.
I just wish many incels would go to therapy or open their echo chambers just enough to hear the whispers of reality, so they don’t have to be bitter lonely people anymore. It’s just sad in many ways.
How do you know people don’t pity YOU? I used to be an incel and I can tell you, only the few far gone ones are “entitled” most of them have simply convinced themselves they’ve lost. Also radical feminist behavior is also dangerous because you have women saying “kill all men” very vocal don’t you think? And these damned souls can’t open their echo chambers because they show all the pain they carry and they’re always laughed at for it. Human affection is something nice to have, we all need it once in a while but if you give up from the get go it’s so depressing
@@RaidenMustDie3594 I’m sorry, I think there was a miscommunication. I do agree that extremists just make more extremists, and many Twitter feminists are contributing to the bigger problems that cause Incels - shaming men for having feelings. I do personally think empathy is the bigger solution, but that can only come from within at the end of the day since no one can force you to change your mind.
However, the attitude of many incels perpetuate ideas that women only exist for sex/relationships. I call it “entitlement” because it IS an attitude of entitlement, whether the person truly believes it or not, it says that men are inherently deserving of being given sex by a woman just by wanting it.
@@everest5718 omg I wish I could give you a big kiss on your forehead because you gave the best answer possible. Thank you for acknowledging extremist feminists are hurting people, thank you for believing in empathy, being an incel is a harrowing experience, it actually has nothing to do with forcing a woman to be in a relationship, being an incel is depressing. Body shaming also plays a part in it since society has convinced some that height and muscle matters, I love you, I hope your journey is filled with love and treasures ❤️
The problem w the first one is that its not even a joke, thats literally what they claim to be a biological necessity.
I mean I’m not an incel and am a radical leftist but like, our brains kinda evolved to have sex
@@devcron7041 asexuals exist too
@@Faucet254 just be asexual bro
there is this song of an brazilian person who made a song mocking this type of people and one part of the lyrics is "im MGTOW, I hate woman, but if one of them says "hi" to me im never leaving her alone" and i think about it constantly
These memes are oddly refreshing
You must’ve really dug to find these funny memes, because I’m a regular on the subreddit and the stuff you see there is just… incredibly distressing
I love when sonic memes like that.
I think for the cousin one, massages are weird from family. It could be my history with SA, but I'm not even a fan of PDA with my partner. So I could be a lot more reserved.
if it's only the shoulders or something like the feet it's not too out of the park for a family member. But anything else would be kind of wild
why DO we have so many poorly socialized young (and not so young) men? what were Gen X's doing to their sons???
I do think that a lot of young men are becoming isolated, and when they feel alone, it's natural to turn to extremes and hate, anger at not being a part of something. I think we should all remember that being kind and opening conversations is a good place to start to overcome these problems.
Happy birthday savanna!!! We share the same birthday so I always remember yours!!!
men ☕️
Men 💖 (I'm a pan man with a boyfriend)
Females 🤡.
11:38 the difference is if I got hungry enough i would eat that damn hot dog but nothing will get me to date a misogynist. If I was so full, I was about to puke and my option was to talk to the misogynist or eat that hotdog. I might choose the goddamn hotdog.
Dirt n all
Thank you . I'm so done with incels ! love your content , you're awesome!
@Ville don't be so jealous lil timmy
Bruh. That vendiagram isn't remotely true. If It were, you need to run. It works for either side. If you do everything for them and they expect you to then that's not a healthy relationship
Something that I realized from this video is that my friend fits this description and he’s also very homophobic. As someone who identifies as a bisexual person this greatly offended me but I remain friends with him because he thinks I’m the dumb one. This is reason 923 why most people (including men) hate incels
14:43 Fun fact: Knuckles is canonically a feminist.
Channels like these give me the proof i need, to know that my beliefs are the correct ones.
So thank you for that.
1:31 Well, I don't think that not realizing you're doing something totally wrong is a choice. Sure, they can change, but they have to first aknowledge that getting laid isn't anyones right and that it kinda involves other people who also have feelings.
There are disorders that can make forming relationships difficult for people, like autism spectrum disorders.
These dudes tho, it's their personality.
It’s their looks, height, being non NT or other genetic factors. There are plenty of men with what you would call a bad personality who are very sexually successful.
@@geraldtherat618 nah fam, it's cause they're creepy af.
Short, chubby, nerdy hobbies? That sounds like Dionysus, the god of getting laid. The only difference is that Dionysus didn't belittle, degrade, shame, and creep out women. That's the key, honestly respecting people of all genders (and in Dionysus's case all species too) as actual sentient, intelligent people.
personally I like to say "ladies" instead of women because it makes me feel posh
Some people should think that if they can't get sex, is that a con? Maybe your life style just don't align well with having sex with others? Maybe there's something in your life that you have in more regard than getting sexual fulfilment?
I am not talking about asexuality, is just that maybe sex with others/the_one isn't as necessary as it seem?
Litteraly got a sexist pick up artist ad on this video
the first tweet immediately got my like
The way you should view people is how you view comic books when you get them into a relationship right every comic book is somebody’s first my logic I bring to that is every person is somebody’s first you’re not I mean you may not be somebody’s first, but somebody might be your first and there’s nothing wrong with that you know I mean
Happy New Year Savannah and thanks for a fabulous funny and typically sarcastic video…..
Love how you savage the sad incels…..
Loving the top x
I can’t even tell if you got the joke of the hot dog one or not…
Free gifts? I mean? It’s a gift? wtf? You don’t make friends pay for gifts from you? I hope…
I've just clicked on this and I assumed it would be r/niceguys, but I like the sound of this lol. We like to see incels cry, because they are terrifying and horrible people. Also yeah, thank you for omitting the triggering stuff.
on a totally different note, i LOVE your hair
i have just realised incel means involuntary celibate
those earrings! awesome
Ive made fake tinder accounts where the profile is of a hot guy. And i could get away with anything. I even put “former child rapist/i beat a woman” in the bio and women still matched and wanted to hookup so idk what to belive anymore. From what i see you can be a literal monster but if your hot then its ok. So i proved that the only thing that matters is attractiveness and height.
As if people didn’t clearly know your bio was a joke lol it’s obvious when people are just putting shit in there
that seems way too on-the-nose for anyone to take it completely seriously tbh, maybe they thought you were just an edgy joker
Bro you can't be real with these clowns here, they have lost their touch with reality.
@@emilybarclay8831 no i repeatedly brought it up to several women and they said they were ok with it. They thought i was real and even gave me their real addresses(i verified). As long as youre hot, you can get away with anything. There is no moral center. Thats the simple truth. Im sorry if that makes you mad. But you would probably have sex with a rapist or murderer if he was hot too
@@lv1543 again these sorts of ‘experiments’ are so common that it’s obvious you were not telling the truth. And people are on those apps to fuck, not play your games. You had literally no proof so why would they believe you? If I tell you I cured cancer, do you believe me? People say shit on the internet that isn’t true lol
they're the same people who will immediately make a man suicidal when he's like "i have feelings, i'm a person, don't say that about me" when talking about "roast culture".
These dudes act like they are involuntarily celibate, blaming women for it. Even if these guys all were hot, there are only so many skinny, young, virgin 10's to go around
You just admitted it's about looks lol. Keep exposing yourselfes.
omg the skzoo
Day 16 of commenting and asking that for April fool's Queer Kiwi react to different political comics using sarcastic conservative logic
Huh, I didn't realise incel was an acronym
Portmanteau, actually.
4:26 "always gives me massages" err, is cousins giving each other massages normal? This sounds a bit too alabama for me.
Depends of the type of massages, you can massage people's shoulders casually methinks
Sounds like my cousin who molested me, if i am being honest. I cant even look at her to this day.
My dad massages me sometimes. He‘s a professional massage therapist, nothing weird about that
I like your hair!
to that venn diagram: granted, im not a woman, but i would treat a man like a princess if he wants 🤷 or is that not the point? /j
To the term "incel" meaning "involuntary celibacy"...
I am a SEX-REPULSED ASEXUAL. I still have more sex regularly (read: per year) than the most-"nice guy" Incel has in their lives, just because I'm not a misogynistic creep. I am voluntarily celibate, and yet am the absolute antithesis of celibate. So no incel ever can claim that they didn't make the choice to be celibate...because I have made the active choice to be celibate and I still can't be celibate.
it's almost certainly because of how you look
@@green2498 That’s a low standard, then. Feral goblins with gangrene are more beautiful than me even at my sexiest.
So… you admit looks don’t matter at all.
@@onijester56 doubt, here's a question mr. "asexual", have you ever used tinder?
@@green2498 Tinder is a unhealthy nightmare hell-scape for all.
Also as an Ace why can't you be celibate, hon? Is someone forcing you to do something you don't want to? Are you ok ?
The Queet kiwi, you should write the next Bible so kids don't get screwed over hahahha
Can you say "females" as an alternative to "women and girls"?
Female is a biological sex that you can be born with. Woman/girl is a gender based on culture norms. Usually people who are female are also a woman but that’s not always true. Hope this helps?
‘Female’ is an adjective and using the word ‘female’ does not specify whether they are a human or not. Say ‘female people’.
I’m a little scared, but I know you’ll keep us safe
I just treat women like humans. It works out great for me. I'm not interested in sex, but I've heard many of my female friends say they would definitely "Let me get it" if I wanted it.
This comment is the equivalent of the vandals bragging to the Romans about how they don't have roofs or shirts and can sleep on the dirt.
YIPPE
Hello
10:54
You know what. I'm gonna treat women like I treat cats.
I love cats
The last meme makes me think of this clip ruclips.net/video/dWBn0nS8s0A/видео.html
(Also apparently that's Travis Willingham voicing Knuckles.)
omg your video kept getting recommended so i just clicked omg😭😭
There are legitimate problems that make it more difficult for men to form relationships, which are mostly caused by toxic masculinity and the worldview that men always have to be dominant and hypermasculine. The issue with incels, and people like Andrew Tate, is that they don't actually want to fix problems that hurt men and are caused by patriarchal norms and toxic masculinity, they just want to reinforce those ideas and have men occupy those dominant positions.
Hell yeah! Agreed.
I am confused. aren't INCELs cilebete by choice? what problems do they have? women date men who suits them and men too.
@@kaodi6993 No they're not celibate by choice. Maybe the definition originally most commonly referred to that but now, the word incel usually refers to frustrated men who can't have relationships (sexual or other) with women and so show a lot of resentment and hate towards women publicly (online).
@@burni988 woman haters? or not attracted to women (gay).
@@NillaVille read about the incel movement and what incels are online you'll know what they truly are lol
"what are you supposed to call females that is non derogatory?!"
- Woman (adult)
- Girl (child)
- Lass (child)
- Lady (adult)
- Chick (adult)
- Gurl (💅)
- Your highness (all)
- Your grace (all)
✨And many more✨
I've learned most aren't opposed to bro or pal either
@@passionate_possum_pal I do have to admit I like bro and pal, but I'm a guy so...
Anyway, most of my list is trying to be feminine-specific, except your Highness
ehhhh chick can be condescending in a lot of contexts
Dude nobodies going to let me say lass, it’s like calling a women maiden, this group specifically would shit on people for that
@@jasonpickles2576 it depends on where you live bro chill
At this point, I find it hard to laugh about incels. Considering how quickly these communities seem to grow and that some of them are absolutely willing to act out in violent ways...
lol, another bad thing about them, they are not even funny lol🤣
@KC be nice to men then. Smile at one if you get the chance. Women are also dangerous lol also it’s scary how women will hijack feminism to make men an enemy. It’s scary how a lady can go down the feminism pipeline just because a guy dumped her lmao
There was a group of articles in the UK in maybe 2018 saying incels are dangerous and a rising terrorist group because of a man who killed a woman and iirc 2 kids just because she didn't go out with him
@@me-dc8pj I mean they are sick individuals, but tbh incels are too busy playing video games, being on the internet, and being lazy to actually coordinate with one another and become a whole ass terrorist cell
@@RaidenMustDie3594 yeah true but it's definitely interesting that it got media attention imo
Once a dude tried to hit on me by lecturing me about how if he ever got me pregnant, he'd make sure to have the kid DNA tested whether I approved or not, because only a beta male would raise a kid he didn't know 100% was his child, and my word wouldn't matter, and step dads aren't real men. What a winner.
Dude, what the frick?! That's insanity. I wonder what he thinks of men like my dad, who stepped up for my mom and half-sister when her bio-dad walked out on them. They got married and lived as a family, then a few years down the line had me together. So he's both a stepdad and a bio-dad in the same family unit. Really screws with that crazy guy's argument, huh 😅
@@gothgirlhours7927 not just those 2 things, your dad is a real dad.
With "winner" pronounced "Weener"
12:17 That actually made me pause for a moment then yell at my screen "FREE GIFTS? FREE GIFTS?? ALL GIFTS ARE FREE! THAT'S WHAT A GIFT MEANS!"
This guy probably thinks "gift = non-monetary payment for sex", so "free gift" under his definition might be something most people define simply as "gift". It's usual for the likes of him to think that women are wending machines and if you give them enough attention and/or gifts, sex will fall out. 🤮
A major reason for enabling an Incel mindset is the segregation of a house into male and female sections. That happens a lot in India whether in informal family settings or at events.
Gender segregation in general only makes the relationship between the genders more strained and difficult. :(
Honestly, most of gender segregation is based on exaggerated, meaningless stereotypes. Being nb and apart of the trans community has lead me to see how fragile and minor the differences are compared to how major everyone seems to act like they are. Monolithic stereotypes don’t really work when gender breaks down and you see how much differences are artificially perpetuated by socialization and society. Biologically, in the wider scheme of things it’s negligible especially when you take into account the vast spectrum humans exist on regardless of sex.
As an indian, i agree. Especially in India this is a big fcked up reason why so many men thinks these incel-ish opinions are normal
@Ville aww you poor attention wh0re. RUclips didn't let you get attention lmao it removed your comment
Yeahh, aswell as culture it’s also religion banning men and women from talking to each other and banning relationships, even friendships and then lo behold you have no idea how to communicate with the opposite gender.
im fairly active on inceltear and as horrible as the things youve shown are, thats like level 1 stuff out of 10. these people are INSANE. ive had a fair share of DMs from incels with some saying just atrocious things, ironically insulting my disabilities (even tho a lot of them blame their disabilities for not being able to get laid) but the most interesting thing about them is that most of them haven't actually been rejected that much. a lot of them have never even tried to get to know and ask out a girl and others have only done so a few times and took 2-3 rejections as "ALL women are worthless and will never love me and its their fault." they're insane people. also, if incels manage to find this, RIP your DMs.
note that ive only talked to incels because im interested in them psychologically. when they msg me i end up asking a lot of questions but they never have any accountability. when i ask them why they think women reject them its either looks, height, or no answer they can think of. it's just so crazy how their minds work.
@KC Yeah we really do need to collectively stop the notion “boys will be boys” and raise them to be accountable for their actions and behavior, because there doesn’t seem to be enough of that.
Unfortunately, at least according to popular media and many polls, women do prefer taller men (taller than them, the 6’+ only thing is fiction) so for a guy who’s 5’5” or less dating can be harder but /obviously/ not impossible. They’re like a student who gets a D on their first test and then just gives up even though there’s ample opportunity to do better in the future.
They also base the lives of women after very attractive women. They deluded themselves into thinking 100% of women have an easy life, get assured jobs/money/marriage even ugly ones. It’s absurd and they make up these stories about how all women have it easy and all go for attractive men only and I guess feel jealousy for this supposed easy life women have? It’s just so strange
@KC ... Just imagine for a minute that a world exists that is geared almost entirely for "other people". Where for the first part of your life you are surrounded by those "other people" who teach you that what you are and can not control is bad and that you should be more like those "other people", that anything that comes naturally to you is "toxic" or "Entitled" and that you have nothing to add, should make room for and should be quiet because you are an oppressor at best and quite possibly an evil criminal. Then imagine that you have this urge to be with those people even after all of that but get constantly rejected.
Given the above scenario (if that world exists) do you think that someone would feel good or bad about themselves and have resilience, or would they just give up?
@KC "like women and everyone else HAS to do"
Never happens
@@LoudmouthReviewsSee, that just tells me you don’t really have any female friends. If you did, you’d know that plenty of women experience rejection. I’ve been rejected romantically more than the three times this comment section is talking about. And you know what? It eventually worked out for me, and I’m in a happy and mutually satisfying relationship with someone I plan to marry. But if I’d given up because my first efforts at dating didn’t go well, I’d still be wallowing in my failure.
Of course, if you’ve been told so often by a bunch of GUYS that “women NEVER experience rejection because guys have no standards and will sleep with any woman when they get the chance, so women have limitless options” that you don’t believe me, there’s probably nothing I can say to convince you. I’d just urge you to reflect on why it is that you trust a group of thoroughly miserable men to tell you about women’s experiences, more than women ourselves. Because I’m telling you right now, our lives are not some unending stream of romantic interest where everyone we ever love or want loves or wants us back. There’s plenty of rejection out there as a woman, too. Even people you’d think would never get rejected sometimes fall for people who just aren’t that into them. It happens.
@@melanieenglish2664 "I’d just urge you to reflect on why it is that you trust a group of thoroughly miserable men to tell you about women’s experiences, more than women ourselves."
I don't I trust my own eyes and ears. I ignore what women say and I pay attention to what they do.
I’ve always wondered why incels think they’d have better chances in the 50s or something. Yeah, the women stayed at home and cooked and cleaned and took care of the children, but you had stricter courting rules back then with chaperones and stronger purity culture. Life may have been easier once you got a wife, but you had to charm a woman long enough for her to accept a proposal *and* you better be making enough to support an entire family of 5 on your own or she’s not saying yes. Like, there were still nerds and weirdos and incels back in the day, and they still didn’t get married.
Hence the 40, 50, 60, 70 year old virgins
@@audreydoyle5268 and hence the “bachelors”
Those guys have an image of the 50's that is informed by American propaganda
They conviniently ignore the reason America was so affluent in the 50s was because of World War II. America was reaping the depts of other countries and hundreds of thousands of men were killed which thinned the 'competion'
Also good luck if you're not white lmao
@@caidalee1994 That was often code for gay, though.
@@sandpiperr true, gay or incels.
6:26 I mean, I wasn’t born learning terms like ‘Cisgender’ or ‘Cis-Het’ but I’m baffled by people who think it’s a newfangled invention. No, it’s not. Expand your vocabulary.
Oh my gods YES my dad says "females" and when I told him to say "women" he got so pissed off and was like "OH GREAT now we can't say anYTHING because everybody gets offended" and I explained that why would you call a woman a "female" if humans are the superior species? We aren't mindless animals that don't have thoughts or dreams, we don't have "mating season" or breeding season, we don't migrate from one place to another just for that so why on earth would you a call a woman a "female"? He got upset and hasn't tried to change but he's stubborn and too exhausting to deal with.
Refer to men as males around him at all times and see how he likes it /j (kinda, but go for it if you actually want to)
Better: Call him a lizard all the time and get angry when he dislikes it.
2 Names to call him:
- the XY's
- males
Just ask him which species is he talking about whenever be sags females.
Or just play dumb and go like "what I don't think dogs drive at all" "oooh you were talking about women not female dogs, I didn't realise"
Right, it's so weird how people won't see the issue, especially when they aren't exclusively referring to men as "makes" 🙄 Willful ignorance and sexism for sure.
“S//x with a woman is a biological necessity”
Me in the middle of drawing Todd & Maude from Bojack Horseman next to my many ace pins & wearing my ace ring like 👀😗
So did you become ace as a choice?
@@hyperboliccancers3269 not at all, thats not how it works. Celibacy is a choice though, so if thats what youre asking yes? But ive known i was asexual since i was nine, i love Bojack Horseman because theres characters like me in it
"i hate y'all, please date me! D:" thats all im hearing everytime i encounter one.
This is why people need to self reflect every once in a while 😇
I self-reflect and still am basically and incel (I think, I dunno anymore, I'm really confused and frustrated)
Sorry I know you didn't want to hear that. I just want to get these thoughts and feelings out of my head and into the real world
@@painunending4610 honestly, you’re allowed to feel frustrated. I was like you once (except fem, so femcel) and it was mostly mental health issues that brought me to that point. It’s just when you go on these forms and join the echo chamber of negativity. Your thoughts fester and grow worse and more hateful. Joining them is the worst thing you can possibly do to yourself.
@@sinclair707 Thanks. You're right and I do try to maintain an attitude that looks and moves forward and doesn't fester. It's ok and even neccesary to stop and feel your feelings, but after you do you carry on
Glad you got out of that mindset and you're mental health issues aren't as bad anymore. have a great day!
@@painunending4610 that’s the mindset that’s gonna save you bro. I’m glad you’re really putting effort into it. Keep up the good work dude
I think this might be the best title you have ever made. Great collection of words 10/10
Fr, genuinely iconic and real
I’m so glad i subscribed to her
At 12:05, it's hard to find a girl to spoil you and treat you as an equal when they like to talk to underage/barely 18 year old girls 😬
Conveniently I'm gay
The understandable one or the less understandable one?
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos what?
@@SillyandgoofyAnim8or the gay that makes sense or the gay that makes less sense?
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Still not making any sense.
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos I think you are they that doesn't make sense because I don't understand what you are asking.
To all incels: Treat us like we're people, respect our preferences, & don't think that just because we're dating or married means ur owned sex as some of us don't want to have sex all the time or we're ace. Dating & marriage is a partnership not one person dominating the other outside of a consented power dynamic that is safe for both people involved where safe words are used & breaks are given
I used to be an incel, would you like to know what it was like?
@@RaidenMustDie3594 yeah
@@Bug_in_a_log it’s extremely painful, it’s a black hole that lets no light escape. You convince yourself that no one will love you because of something physically wrong with you, no one will love you so what’s the point in trying. When I was an incel I remember isolating myself in my room with as little light as possible, crying, bawling my eyes out because I wasn’t worthy of the love of another human, I drank copious amounts of alcohol because at least the loneliness and pain became indistinguishable from one another. When I was an incel, I never once thought I was owed, or entitled to something, my heart would hurt…”I’m not good enough for love, and I am sorry for existing” I thought
@@RaidenMustDie3594 im glad your out of that :(
I wouldn't call what you had as "incel" bc you were and are self aware enough, you just needed to find a way and you did.
And that my friend
Makes you an absolute CHAD
@ville_x You're being ironic, right?
12:30 I'm actually writing a story about this RN. I feel like men often think we have things "easy", but that's because they haven't lived the dehumanizing experience of being a woman. Being a woman and surviving in this world often means having to sacrifice your dignity and being submissive and humilliated, maybe by allowing someone to belittle you or even...sacrificing your s*xual health, like often happens in relationships with incels. It truly can be such a frustrating demeaning experience that these people think we choose, because they're not considering 1 how our bodies work, how we're not as strong as men and often can't "fight back" or hoe we often have to rely on someone else's strenght 2 how the world percieves us (because these people themselves are part of that world). I don't think men have it easier than us, but I do often wish I had the choice to buy my freedom
Yeah they probably do assume you have it easier as they have not lived the life of a woman, who do you think has it easier?
@@jasonpickles2576 Well yeah ofc, they could listen to what we say too tho, it ain't that hard. Idk if anyone has it easier, I just think that men do have more power, which makes them have quite a lot of advantages over women, but that being said, that does mean they have more pressure on their shoulders. Great power takes great responsability! As a woman, I'd take that deal without any doubt, but idk if it means it's easier or not. Imo is kind of a pointless comparison and it's much better to just focus on what is hurting us both in our culture
I was once told by a guy that it's much easier for women to be hot because they just have to not be fat slobs who shovel food in their face all day, where as men have to work on getting ripped...and this was on a weight-loss forum!
I about laughed so hard I started wheezing!
Even the other men on the forum started making fun of him for that because they were actual grown ups who'd had the experience of going on a weight-loss plan as a couple, and losing 20 lbs in a month while their wife lost 6!
"but that's because they haven't lived the dehumanizing experience of being a woman"
I once read about a woman who was forced to pay for her own drinks and I cried myself to sleep thinking of all she suffered 🙃
@@LoudmouthReviews *yawn*
F- attempt at trolling
Actually knuckles is canonically a feminist so the image on that last meme isn’t random at all