How hard it must've been for her to have been kidnapped and taken away from her home and family... can't even imagine. And she had to survive and adapt. What a strong woman.
The Magnificent Century? I love that show ! I only discovered it on a Spanish channel here in America. A Turkish TV Series aired on a Mexican channel. But found the series here with English subtitles...I like the series with the Greek Sultana's years....Kosem, i think is the name
@@mediocremaiden8883 I enjoyed it, too. It's a shame, it's not more readily available to people/better known. Well, in Northern Europe and I guess Amerika as well, I mean. It was a smashing sucess in Turkey and several other countries, of course. I'd watch it over 'Emily in Paris' or such anytime. It's basically a soap opera, but with top notch actors. So well casted!
Imagine being taken violently from your home, sold as a slave, having to compete daily with other women for your survival and one man's affection, knowing you will be replaced and your son will probably die because of his father/brothers.People who think women had a choice whether to "fall in love" with the sultan/king clearly don't understand history.
Yeah, but Suleyman wasnt ugly fat old king . And was romantic,(letters) successful, confident, etc and no other man around wasnt even allowed to look to H and the other side lot of pretty woman so it can be real fall in love.😍
@@juditnagy8084 all the years of trauma mistreatment and slavery, being valued only as a baby making machine, never having being asked if you want to be intimate with a stranger.. so basically forced into it or literal rape, the constant fear of death or exile for you or your son don't exactly go away just because your captor is not ugly😂😂😂almost all these women did what they had to do to survive, hold on to what little power they had after they produced an heir to ensure their children wouldn't die.. At least until their father decided differently anyway.. Women of course were mistreated everywhere during those times but the ottoman empire was by far one of the worst (if not THE worst) places you could actually exist as a woman in😂. The harem was a prison and apart from their physical liberties these women also lost their spiritual ones for example oftentimes they were forced to switch to the muslim faith(many did it just for show or they simply didn't care) and couldn't express themselves in no way shape or form... Doesn't sound like love to me just basic survival instincts 👀🤔😉
@@demymon women had it worse outside of this "prison" so i think the women there probably didnt wanna get out. They were with female friends and only one men could touch them so not like they were raped on the daily. Actually everyone of them wanted to have sex with the king. They got educated and they wanted to gain more power by being with the king, for which they would have tried to get along with the king's mother and other noble members of the palace. They ate like kings and sang and no hard work or labor for them . Outside anywhere else too they would have married for social standing and had children, which is the same thing but they would be extremely poorer and probably work as well. Everywhere else in the world is the same at the time and marriages are mandatory for every woman who wasnt extremely rich, at least these women had the company of each other and luxury. They had religious freedom nobody forced them, they were precisely taken for not being muslim. İf they swicthed to islam they did it to be liked by the king's family and sleep with him, get gifts from him etc. Of course i am not saying slavery is good lol having sex slaves is disgusting and this is by no means a romantic tale. There is a Turkish tv show actually that is history based fiction and this video is way sugercoded compared to that. İn the show Hürrem suffers much more and the king punishes her and she is treated as a slave whenever the king is upset or if anything happens in the harem, he also sleeps with others on occasion when he is cross with Hürrem or he is just horny after hurrem gives birth. I think its realisyic to think he would have continued sleeping with others, but it is never depicted as violent rape. They would dine in his room and have music and intelligent conversation for which the women were educated. They would sometimes stay for days it wasnt rough sex lets say like most men/soldiers would be having. I watch tons of foreign historical tv to see how much rape there is and realisticly was. It would be naive of you to think your kings only had sex with their wives or even to think their wives enjoyed it. İdk why i wrote so much this is just info not a fight i hope. All countries suck and in 1500 no women anywhere had it ant better , if they were not slaves they were beggers, having to sell their sex on the streets or work as if they were slaves every day. The facade might be different but freedoms arent real in such a world i think anyone sane would rather trade this useless freedom for the luxury comfort and richness of being a partner of a king. I personelly would have killed myself if the king had had my family killed but thats another story. Turkish history was better for women before we accepted islam that much for sure.
The problem is; people living today don't really understand the conditions of the past. Everything you know about the civilization and human rights are relatively new concepts. So yes, women were basically breeding machines in past, and men were just cannon fodder in pointless wars. Being a man was only slightly better. Only increasing wealth and tech changed that. And that is also the reason why we still have backward places, they still don't have wealth and tech necessary to change that societies. Afghanistan is a prime example, west did it's best to eradicate taliban. But taliban is just a symptom, not the problem.
@@demymon Here come the atheists who have subjective morality and implement today's world views on the past. very intellectuals atheists. wow impressive 😏
Thank you so much Lindsay! Hürrem’s only daughter Mihrimah Sultan was a very influencial figure during her time too. She was the richest women of the time and was said to be just like her mother when it came to intelligence, cunning and charming. She does deserve a video of its own doesnt she? 🥺❤️
@AnnoyedCherryDumplings-en9ls Their wealth came from the kingdom and their status as 👸. Muslim royal women were much more secluded and had less power than Christian royal women
Do you Turkish really saw hurrem Sultan as villainesses?? I find her really inspiration though Like "if you try hard you can overcome your situations "... Type
@@my_universe1290 as an American history buff who is eagerly interested in European and Middle eastern history. It’s interesting to hear about the Ottoman Empire and also I like to see videos on Byzantine empresses particularly Theodora for example.
The fact that people are romanticizing these relationships… Hurrem was kidnapped, sold into slavery, and ended up in a place where her survival was dependent on the favor of one man. It is mere chance that he fell in love with her so. Just because her daily conditions were better than women outside of the harem doesn’t mean that she loved her life. Her strength and survival skills are amazing.
You can't really be sure of that since the sultan was young just like she was had things in common like poetry , the poems she wrote to him were full of emotions , did she love him ? Probably , did she love her life ? Not all of it sure
We have many of Hurrem's letters, she writes a lot of love poems to Suleiman. Also, once she was freed, she became the second most powerful person in the entire empire. She enjoyed a lot of power.
@@cookiemonster7043 WRONG INFO. She was educated in Kırım Palace which was her mother in law Hafsa Sultan’s home (She was the princess of Kırım) and then, Hürrem was sent to Topkapı Palace by her. She was not kidnapped or sold
@@cookiemonster7043 Here come the atheists who have subjective morality and implement today's world views on the past. very intellectuals atheists. wow impressive 😏
I think this is probably why it was generally expected that they only have the one son, and the sultan would move on. This way no mother be conflicted between her sons.
The whole system was gutwrenchingly brutal. Quite often, the sultans would kill one or several of their adult sons themselves, for fear of being usurped and murdered by them. And when the old sultan died and the designated heir took the throne...he would customarily kill not only all of his (half)brothers, but also every single son of theirs. His own infant nephews, in other words. Even, if they were still babies or toddlers. On the other hand...it prevented (for the most part) European style succession wars...which, of course, ultimately cost far more people (soldiers and commoners) their lives. The Ottoman Empire was very stable and peaceful (inside it's borders, I mean) for a long time...and at least partly because of the way the 'productionof heirs'/succession was handled. In a way, I admire that they didn't make random lower ranking people pay the price for their interfamilial power struggles. But yeah...it's horrifying to think of the fear and anxiety and pain they all must have gone through...even the lucky winners. Imagine, having to murder your extended family, to survive.
Yeah it shouldn’t be all about white people. Also I would love to learn more about Hawaiian Royalty and Native Americans or natives from the Caribbean.
A quick note about her parentage. Coming from Ruthenia her parents were most likely Eastern Orthodox Christians where the custom is that parish priests are typically married. So this was not scandalous.
Imagine loving someone so deeply, you changed the rules of an entire empire just to be with them. Wow. edit: I don't care about England or Henry. Please stop bringing him up, this is not about him.
that is how you keep a fuckboy inline baby.. become his peace and comfort.. Like Suleiman wrote in his poems "Hurrem, you are the only person who doesnt stress me in this entire world"
Such a fascinating yet disgusting part of history like the Chinese imperial harem system, women being treated like expensive cattle yet they were probably the most educated women of their time, and yet had no freedom and were there by force from childhood. History is awesome and horrible at the same time I suppose
Ottoman world was in general very cruel monsters, forcing european women to sleep with turkish people, and taking european male children away from their parents and making them military slaves.
@@essidmedamine8130 What do you think, who were Janissares? Where did they come from? Where came Rüstem pasha, Ibrahim Pasha, Hürrem, Kösem, Mahidevran and all another slaves from? They were all kidnapped from their homelands. It's historical fact And don't get me started on Fratricide and Filicide.
I wouldn’t say it was for the better, he killed his best friend who was loyal to him, he murdered his own son who was his best heir and his two others sons died because of that. So no, it wasn’t for the better.
@@donrog5035 sorry, you said his best friend? you mean gulnihal? if you mean is gulnihal, actually gulnihal just a fiction, only in the drama tv show, she didn't exist in the real life
Ottoman dynasty was true definition of Game of thrones. And trust me, ottoman mothers were fierces kinds of players (Hürrem Sultan, Kösem Sultan, Turhan Sultan...)
Ottomans were monsters, forcing european women to sleep with turkish people, and taking european male children away from their parents and making them military slaves.
@@nemanjajovanovic2957 You are wrong. Those slaves were coming from other countries. Ottomans never slaved the people that they had war. It's against to their belief. Let say 2 countries having a war. So kids and women are sold by them. Ottomans did buy them but gave them a home, statu, money etc
@@barisveesitlik9310 They forcibly took children from parents, and forced children to work hard to become their military servants, and forced them to live apart from their family. They were forced to live that kind of a life, no one asked parents nor children if they want that. That is enslavement and cruelty. Nobody has the right to take children from their parents, and children arent supposed to be taken away from their family and train hard to become soldiers. There is no country that forcibly takes children to make them military servants and to make them work and train hard from their childhood. And we even never considered ottomans our country, those monsters occupied us. THE PARENTS WERE FORCED TO GIVE THEIR CHILDREN. FIRST, IT IS CRIME TO ENSLAVE A COUNTRY, AND AFTER THAT, IT IS ALSO CRIME TO FORCE PEOPLE TO GIVE THEIR WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
@@nemanjajovanovic2957 they called the West or Christian infidel but their wives are European and born Christians 😂😬 Ottoman Empire are not fully blooded Turks
I want to send this to my ex who says men are meant to have multiple wives and women. No woman could possibly be enough on her own. Well, this man had as many women as he wanted and he still found the one he wanted to be with forever. Just her. Bam
It is rare to find a good man that can have multiple erections for 8/9 hours straight - and multiple orgasms like most woman do, so how can the rest of them even keep one woman satisfied all night long ? Making love is a very finely tuned work of art, if both are totally spent & satisfied all night until the crack of dawn ! Men that can't love & please one or two at once don't need to think it's his size, it's how he uses it that have women coming back & sharing him because he is all that . LoL dream on boys, until you become king of many nations you can not have a herem.
@@mamatasubedi761 that’s not true, he never had any children with other women after Hurrem came, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t slept with other women from his harem
@Bilal Zahid yes that's why I was speaking to men other than a king , you only get this many women if your are a king. Not a normal man who has dreams of multiple women. Because a woman would only stay with a man for a few good reasons & share him with a herum only if he was a king.
Ben de çok şaşırdım hiç beklemiyordum. Kesinlikle muhteşem yüzyılın etkisi de var ama bu kadar belirsiz harem tarihine rağmen böyle bir video yapması beni de aşırı mutlu etti 🎉 yalan yok hiç beklemiyordum 😂
I think she going to do moving south and east like how we started in the UK from then moved further east eventually we will hit east Africa, Madagascar, central Asia, India , then china Korea and japan is what i think gonna happen
I actually thought Hurrem had a lot in common with Empress Ki! Taken from a smaller country with a similar history of being caught between big powers, first a slave, then a favourite and lastly Empress...
@@johannao4849 Exactly she is like Empress Ki, she had rose from Harem to a Queen Consorts. Unfortunately, the Rivalry of Ottoman Princes reminds me of the Early Goryeo Period, during the reign of Taejo Wang Geon. Hurrem is like Empress Ki, living in Wang So's or the World of Scarlet Heart Ryeo
The moral of this story is never underestimate Slavic girls. More seriously though, it is an amazing story, full of striking contrast and paradoxes. There is much to admire, or be fascinated by in the Ottoman Empire, but their succession system with the institutionalized fratricide is one of the most disturbing things in history for me. Then there is the whole slave trade system. It maybe wasn't overall as bad as the transatlantic one, but still pretty horrible, yet most people don't seem to even know about it. On the other hand, some of its victims were given amazing opportunities for upwards mobility, Hürrem being the most outstanding example. One of the reasons why I'm happy that you covered this topic is that it is connected to the history of my country, which you showed very well! Since King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland and Lithuania made an appearance on this channel maybe one day we will see a video about his mother, Bona Sforza.
@@ceasargra10 they were castrated by coptic priests in africa. look for the eunuchs. ''In the Ottoman Empire, eunuchs were typically slaves imported from outside their domains.''
The story of Sulaiman the Great and Hurrem is my all time favourite of ancient history... So many dramas, politics, love stories, corruptions, conquerors, heroes, villains all mixed in one amazing tales.. The Turkish Drama Magnificent Centuries potray this amazing periode beautifully.. And Lindsay voices takes me back in time imagining all this characters... Love it!!!
The story where a ruler person forcibly held women in some house, and limited their speech, walking and choosing freedom was your all time favorite? I wouldnt call that a love story, that's cruelty and it is very selfish.
Magnificent Century is almost fictional. The only thing that is true are the names but nothing else. Historically incorrect. Fun fact: Descendents of the Ottomans submitted a complaint against the producers
I have been so obsessed with the 'Muhteşem yüzyıl' turkish show and Hürrem Sultan(Meryem Uzerli)is my favourite character out of all. I'm so happy you made a video about Hürrem Sultan.
Hurrem is the most powerful Haseki Sultan, which means she had the most power during her husband's reign. All the powerful sultanas after her got their power because of their sons. That says a lot about Hurrem and I often wonder how stronger she could have gotten if she lived longer.
I’m not a hundred percent sure if this is the truth but my elementary school history teacher had told us Suleiman also wanted to get married because he had gone to wars in Europe and observed their culture and thought the Ottomans could benefit from it
Hurrem's life is an amazing story and you did it justice with this presentation. She was a woman well ahead of her time. Another rags to riches cinderella story is that of Francoise D'Aubigne, Marquise de Maintenon. Her story is also worth a video. :)
She reminds me a lot of Empress Xiaoyichun who lived in the court of the Qianlong Emperor. She started off as a palace maid, then caught the emperor's eye and was steadily promoted up through the ranks while keeping his interest and winning more favor than his other concubines, to the point where he made her one of the highest ranked women and then empress after her death. He really loved her.
So I'm not sure if anyone is interested, but there is a manga called "The Golden Birdcage; Drops of Dream" (Japanese title: Yume No Shizuku, Ougon No Torikago) which tells of Hürrem Sultan's life, this manga is ongoing and is by Chie Shinohara, the same author who made the acclaimed manga "Red River" and the artwork is amazing.
Sweet! Thank you! I love the Manga adaption on historical stories. I also read the one with the Marie Antoinette (The Rose of Versailles) when I was a kid. I can't wait to read this one now. :D
@@tracys169 There's another Marie Antoinette manga by Fuyumi Soryo (Manga creator of ES: Eternal Sabbath and Mars) she also made a historical manga called Ceaser taking place during the Italian Renaissance (I think, I have to go back and check) but with the Marie manga, it's only been released in Japanese and French, it hasn't come over here. I can also give other historical manga if you're interested I know one (technically 2) that you might enjoy. :)
Thank you so much for pointing out that she was from Ruthenia and using a map! It means a lot for someone coming from that region and constantly hearing that she was from Russia.
Aye, as an Australian I've no idea where Ruthenia was, or what country it's in today, so I appreciated the map too. And all the countries the USSR swallowed do get lumped together as "Russia" (especially if you learnt geography with the USSR on the map, like I did), even though they're totally different, separate cultures with their own individual histories. I still can't say I know any _facts_ about Ukraine, but I do like a Ukrainian actor, Alec von Utgof... :D
@@geronimo6351 Her contemporaries, foreign diplomats and chroniclers of that era considered her Russian. This is a historical fact that you must keep in mind. If she was Ukrainian, then they would have reported on her that way.
@@svemir5820 She was never considered Russian. She was considered of Rus origin or Ruthenian. All Ukrainians up until the 20th century referred to themselves as Ruthenian. "La Rossa" does not mean "Russian". Did you even watch this video? She was born in Rohatyn, Galicia. At the time she was born (1500) "Russia" wasn't even a thing. There was the Duchy of Moscow until 1547. Galicia never had anything to do with the Muscovites. Roxolana spoke Polish and wrote to the Polish king because she was born in Polish lands.
"She used her cunning to charm the sultan and orchestrate..."? Why are women who rise at court automatically plotting, scheming intrigants? With the knowledge we have today we should not make that mistake. She must have been strategic to some degree to survive at court, but apart from that and with all the evidence we have (letters etc) this is one of the most powerful love stories of human history, where despite a system forbidding monogamy and enabling the sultan to all the pleasures he could think of, their individual bond was stronger. So strong in fact, that it led to the overthrow of the harem concept. Nobody knows what they have shared between them, as there are no witnesses. But I'm sure that is was more than disguised scheming for power on her part and a shared love for poetry.
And if you look back through history, most royal women who broke convention in some way are given the word "cunning" or "ambitious". As if the only way women could ever get ahead was by being conniving and cold blooded. Yes, they had to make sacrifices and difficult decision, but when famous historical men did the same thing, people say "they were good leaders."
There is a tv drama about her (aired in 2011), it's huge in eastern/central europe,arab world and south america since the turkish soap operas took over .
@@xxxxxx-rg6qr As a Turkish you should know that one of the official titles for members of the house of Osman was SULTAN, not Kralice. Kralice is a SLAVIC word.
You should check out a Serbian princess Olivera that had to be given to the Ottoman ruler since he took over the country and killed her father. She was also really young around 14-15 and sacrificed herself for her country. She was also in his harem but he fell in love with her until they were both enslaved by a Khan! The story was so sad and touching.
Or people watching through a peep hole or sitting in the bedroom sketching which sex positions the Emporer or King ( actually done in some places )made to document his life in detail. LoL ewww not a job for me ! Then again , I am a girl I could never be a scribe.
really interesting for me as a turkish person to listen to hürrems story outside of the tv show. i grew up watching 'magnificent century' and i knew that a lot of stuff was made up, but this video still was really eye opening for me. i think hürrem was powerful (as you mentioned) and it makes me proud to see women getting on powerful positions. so inspirational. especially her past makes it so special. thanks for this interesting video :) im looking forward to watch your other videos
What fascinates me the most about this whole comment section is the people judging the tale of this marvelous woman and the whole world she lived in through the lens of a 21th century worldview.
You could do a series about the sultanate of women. Hürrem, Mihrimah, safiye, Nurbanu and my absolute favorite kösem sultan. She really is one of the most outstanding queens ever.
Thank you for sharing more about non-Western European history! I got into your channel because of it but I feel kinda ashamed as an Asian who doesn't know that much about Asian history. Would love to learn more about the Rajahs who ruled the Philippines before it was called the Philippines.
Hurrem never worked in Bayezid II's granddaughter's household. She was intended for Selim I's haremp. But by the time she reached there Selim was dead and Suleiman was sultan. Finally she was gifted to Suleiman by Hafsa.
There is an ongoing manga entitled "Drops of Dream, The Golden Bird Cage" which is about Hurrem's story. Her romance with Suleiman the Magnificent is one of the most beautiful love stories in the world.
@@ladyjanegrey1671 yesss!! I was just about to add her name to my comment. Also another badass woman from the subcontinent she could cover could be Rani Lakshmibai of Jhansi, or Razia Sultan the one and only queen regnant of medieval India, and any other ottoman and Mughal queens with remarkable lives who aren't that famous.
Such an intriguing and clever woman! I’ve heard her names several times before, but I never took the time to really look into her story! This is great :).
The story where a ruler person forcibly held women in some house, and limited their speech, walking and choosing freedom was sweet for you? I wouldnt call that sweet, that's cruelty and it is very selfish.
The Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania. The map says it, but the voice over didn’t mention the Lithuanian part. It is very important, the two countries were equal partners in the union.
Wasn’t it called Rich Pospolita? So basically there was Kyivdka Rus which was then split between Rich Pospolita and Moscowian kingdom, and Hurem was most likely Orthodox, hence most likely she was Ukrainian as Kyivska Rus was basically a Ukrainian kingdom.
The original name in Polish was Rzeczpospolita, which would translate to Polish - Lithuanian commonwealth. So my use of the word kingdom was not correct, even though this country had a king. During the lifetime of Hurem Sultan the Ukrainian lands were incorporated in the commonwealth but not as a autonomic region.
A fascinating voyage through Turkish history. As for the Sultana, what an extraordinary fate. Having risen rom being a harem girl to first concubine, then actually married the Sultan who loved her so much that he made her his full Consort thus making her the Sultana. All her portraits show a beautiful and intelligent woman who must have been absolutely irresistible. Truly, this is the kind of stories which one usually finds in fairy tale books!
@@mohammedusmanmufti5311 Victoria never visited India in her lifetime. Besides modern day Indians feel repulsed to name the British rulers as their legitimate monarchs, as it promotes colonialism.
@@amrita2338 It has become stereotypical to think of only Rani Lakshmibai or Razia Sultana as thr lone female monarchs from India. Lakshmibai was technically the regent of her adopted son. There are many underappreciated female royals from India like Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, Vijayaraje Scindia of Gwalior, Amrit Kaur of Kapurthala, Ahilyabai Holkar & Nur Jahan. Then there are princesses like Krishna Kumari of Udaipur, Roshanara Begum & Zeb-un-nissa whose lives were very eventful.
I’m also Turkish. I really liked your video and I wish I could see some more powerful Turkish figures such as Hürrem Sultan on your channel. Kisses from Turkey xoxoxo
I HAVE BEEN DYING FOR THIS VIDEO ABOUT HURREM, SHE IS SUCH A BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edit: If you guys hate Hurrem, then don't even reply to my comment my god
No she was not. She was an evil woman. She was mot that powerful. If you want to get to know about a badass woman look for Kosem Sultan. She was the sultan mother and she actuallt ruled the empire for years because his son were to young to takr the throne. Hurrem was not that powerful she was like a mistress.
@@eri6984 It's just really silly tbh. You can say if there were no Hafsa Sultan then there wouldn't be Suleiman thus no Hurrem. Let's say suppose there were no Hurrem, then maybe Nurbanu would, maybe Safiye would, even if none of them did, Kosem herself would made her way up with her characteristics. She changed the years long tradition of Sultans killing their brothers, she changed many rules in the entire empire, she ruled the empire as the first female regent, so the harem rules would be just a piece of cake for her. As I said before, I respect Hurrem for her struggles, but saying if there were no Hurrem then there wouldn't be Kosem is just silly man.
I'm very surprised and flattered to see Hurrem Sultan! Your narration was delightful; however, I would have appreciated it if you could mention her religious charities more.
The fact that sultan had to murder his brothers once he ascends later (like few centuries) backfired on the Ottomans. I understand that Hurrem didn’t want her sons to be killed when Mustafa would become a sultan, but she was okay with the fact that one of her sons would have to kill the others? I know that Selim became the sultan, I read somwhere that he was concerned the least talented of all Suleiman sons Omg, I had no idea that Roksolana tried to make an alliance with Poland - and I’m Polish.I know that she came from Ruthenia, which back then lied in Polish Commonwealth. Thanks for educating me more Lindsay
@@kenna163 It didn't stop in Ahmed's time, Ahmed was the first Sultan to not kill his surviving brothers but the tradition ended many years after his death. Ahmed's sultan sons, Osman and Murad, murdered their brothers for example.
Hmm nope selim would not execute his brothers when he ascended throne and he wasent conidered drunken faliure in real life everyone wanted him on the throne over bayazid
I've always wondered how Hürrem actually felt about Suleiman. They've gone down as this beautiful love story, where a slave is raised from rags to riches by the love of a divine king. But the truth was, she was violently ripped away from her homeland and loved ones, and sold into slavery where her future was by no means secure. She may have truly loved Suleiman, but it's much more likely that at least part of her love was a survival mechanism. How often she must have been sitting in the harem, showered with silk and jewels, and thinking about the family she was stolen from.
I used to watch the Magnificent Century back in Poland, and oh my god I loved Hurrem sm. That show really made me so interested in her life. I'm so glad you did a video on her.
lindsay u r amazing! since you did hurrem, can you do videos on other haseki sultan and valida sultan( sultan's mother) and important princess. namely, mihrimah, nurbanu, safiye, helime, kosem.
hey does anybody remember the part where Mustafa dies on The Magnificent Century show cus that was so mf sad. And that part where Mihrimah gets married but she love another one. That part also broke my heart. Anyways great video Lindsey!
I just finished season 3 of Magnificent Century and Mehmet has just died an the new Hurrem has appeared, but I'm most devastated to know Bali Bey won't be back for season 4!
Many historian says Mistafa would had been a better sovereign than Hurrem’s son Selim the Sot. Mustafa was more eligible and more educated in many fields. Selim were not that into being the king he was more like a party guy so bayezid(also hurrem’s son) or Mustafa would have been a better choice
@@--enyo-- yeah lol.... also maybe because it was a long time ago. So maybe it wasn’t cheesy to say those types of things back then, but cheesy to us now 😅.
@@harharharharharharharharha240 how can I forget that sinistery word ☠️ and yeah may be in future people looking at our texts will be disgusted too like how we do😬
@@--enyo-- Yes if you watch Magnificent Century (its available on youtube) you can hear the actor who plays Suleiman recite some of the poems and they do sound really romantic in Ottoman Turkish.
I grew up watching Magnificent Century (watched it as a young Hungarian and we called it ‘Szulejmán’, my grandma introduced me to a lot of Turkish, Italian and Spanish Tv shows), and it was a really interesting and informative TV show
Thank YOU SO MUCH!!! for covering Hurrem & Nzinga, I'd LOVE for you to cover more non-european queens. Can't wait for your video about more Haseki & Valide Sultans, Rani Lakshmi Bai of Jhansi, Rani Chennamma, Queen Dowagers Cixi & Ci'an, Wu Zetian, Queen Himiko, Empress Wenxian, Empress Xiao Yanyan, Sayyida al Hurra, Empress Suiko etc
How hard it must've been for her to have been kidnapped and taken away from her home and family... can't even imagine. And she had to survive and adapt. What a strong woman.
Her family was killed
@@Bluetoot1 Did not know that! That's terrible... how unimaginably horrible it must've been for her...
The fact people romanticise these stories. There's no romance but pure survival tactics.
Stockholm syndrome to the extreme.
@@tonegrail650 They loved each other, what syndrome are you talking about??
I’m hungarian and grew up with a tv show about her.. I always loved her and thought she was very inspirational.
The Magnificent Century? I love that show ! I only discovered it on a Spanish channel here in America. A Turkish TV Series aired on a Mexican channel. But found the series here with English subtitles...I like the series with the Greek Sultana's years....Kosem, i think is the name
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I enjoyed it, too. It's a shame, it's not more readily available to people/better known. Well, in Northern Europe and I guess Amerika as well, I mean. It was a smashing sucess in Turkey and several other countries, of course. I'd watch it over 'Emily in Paris' or such anytime.
It's basically a soap opera, but with top notch actors. So well casted!
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i am in love with her and that show too
Magnificent Century? I just started it and I absolutely loving it.
Imagine being taken violently from your home, sold as a slave, having to compete daily with other women for your survival and one man's affection, knowing you will be replaced and your son will probably die because of his father/brothers.People who think women had a choice whether to "fall in love" with the sultan/king clearly don't understand history.
Yeah, but Suleyman wasnt ugly fat old king . And was romantic,(letters) successful, confident, etc and no other man around wasnt even allowed to look to H and the other side lot of pretty woman so it can be real fall in love.😍
@@juditnagy8084 all the years of trauma mistreatment and slavery, being valued only as a baby making machine, never having being asked if you want to be intimate with a stranger.. so basically forced into it or literal rape, the constant fear of death or exile for you or your son don't exactly go away just because your captor is not ugly😂😂😂almost all these women did what they had to do to survive, hold on to what little power they had after they produced an heir to ensure their children wouldn't die.. At least until their father decided differently anyway.. Women of course were mistreated everywhere during those times but the ottoman empire was by far one of the worst (if not THE worst) places you could actually exist as a woman in😂. The harem was a prison and apart from their physical liberties these women also lost their spiritual ones for example oftentimes they were forced to switch to the muslim faith(many did it just for show or they simply didn't care) and couldn't express themselves in no way shape or form... Doesn't sound like love to me just basic survival instincts 👀🤔😉
@@demymon women had it worse outside of this "prison" so i think the women there probably didnt wanna get out. They were with female friends and only one men could touch them so not like they were raped on the daily. Actually everyone of them wanted to have sex with the king. They got educated and they wanted to gain more power by being with the king, for which they would have tried to get along with the king's mother and other noble members of the palace. They ate like kings and sang and no hard work or labor for them . Outside anywhere else too they would have married for social standing and had children, which is the same thing but they would be extremely poorer and probably work as well. Everywhere else in the world is the same at the time and marriages are mandatory for every woman who wasnt extremely rich, at least these women had the company of each other and luxury. They had religious freedom nobody forced them, they were precisely taken for not being muslim. İf they swicthed to islam they did it to be liked by the king's family and sleep with him, get gifts from him etc. Of course i am not saying slavery is good lol having sex slaves is disgusting and this is by no means a romantic tale. There is a Turkish tv show actually that is history based fiction and this video is way sugercoded compared to that. İn the show Hürrem suffers much more and the king punishes her and she is treated as a slave whenever the king is upset or if anything happens in the harem, he also sleeps with others on occasion when he is cross with Hürrem or he is just horny after hurrem gives birth. I think its realisyic to think he would have continued sleeping with others, but it is never depicted as violent rape. They would dine in his room and have music and intelligent conversation for which the women were educated. They would sometimes stay for days it wasnt rough sex lets say like most men/soldiers would be having. I watch tons of foreign historical tv to see how much rape there is and realisticly was. It would be naive of you to think your kings only had sex with their wives or even to think their wives enjoyed it. İdk why i wrote so much this is just info not a fight i hope. All countries suck and in 1500 no women anywhere had it ant better , if they were not slaves they were beggers, having to sell their sex on the streets or work as if they were slaves every day. The facade might be different but freedoms arent real in such a world i think anyone sane would rather trade this useless freedom for the luxury comfort and richness of being a partner of a king. I personelly would have killed myself if the king had had my family killed but thats another story. Turkish history was better for women before we accepted islam that much for sure.
The problem is; people living today don't really understand the conditions of the past. Everything you know about the civilization and human rights are relatively new concepts. So yes, women were basically breeding machines in past, and men were just cannon fodder in pointless wars. Being a man was only slightly better. Only increasing wealth and tech changed that. And that is also the reason why we still have backward places, they still don't have wealth and tech necessary to change that societies. Afghanistan is a prime example, west did it's best to eradicate taliban. But taliban is just a symptom, not the problem.
@@demymon Here come the atheists who have subjective morality and implement today's world views on the past. very intellectuals atheists. wow impressive 😏
Thank you so much Lindsay! Hürrem’s only daughter Mihrimah Sultan was a very influencial figure during her time too. She was the richest women of the time and was said to be just like her mother when it came to intelligence, cunning and charming. She does deserve a video of its own doesnt she? 🥺❤️
Go to Prima Aksara channel, she has a video about Mihrimah Sultan with English Subtitle
She wasn't the richest woman of her time, Queens Mary Tudor, Mary of Scots, Elizabeth, and Jeanne of Navarre were richer as they ruled whole kingdoms.
@@johnlewis3891the kingdoms wealth isn’t all the monarch’s personal wealth. A lot of it will belong to other nobles
@@johnlewis3891 No lol Muslim women whether it's mirhinah ir jahan ara they had their own money it wasn't depending on Kingdom unlike others queen
@AnnoyedCherryDumplings-en9ls Their wealth came from the kingdom and their status as 👸. Muslim royal women were much more secluded and had less power than Christian royal women
Yay!! I'm Turkish and glad to see an important woman from my country's history on your channel! Thank you Lindsay!!
Do you Turkish really saw hurrem Sultan as villainesses??
I find her really inspiration though
Like "if you try hard you can overcome your situations "... Type
Nope, we don't. :)
This is easily one of my new favorite videos :) , your countries history is incredible interesting
@@my_universe1290 as an American history buff who is eagerly interested in European and Middle eastern history. It’s interesting to hear about the Ottoman Empire and also I like to see videos on Byzantine empresses particularly Theodora for example.
@@karenstrong6734 I agree!
The fact that people are romanticizing these relationships… Hurrem was kidnapped, sold into slavery, and ended up in a place where her survival was dependent on the favor of one man. It is mere chance that he fell in love with her so. Just because her daily conditions were better than women outside of the harem doesn’t mean that she loved her life. Her strength and survival skills are amazing.
You can't really be sure of that since the sultan was young just like she was had things in common like poetry , the poems she wrote to him were full of emotions , did she love him ? Probably , did she love her life ? Not all of it sure
Ok but compare it to the context of those times 500 years ago and it makes sense
We have many of Hurrem's letters, she writes a lot of love poems to Suleiman. Also, once she was freed, she became the second most powerful person in the entire empire. She enjoyed a lot of power.
@BlackVenus this is the best comment I've seen, thank you 👏🏻 People tend to interpret history with today's understanding.
Ahhh just typical newborn kid commenting on a piece of history and being a hero for 'speaking up'
Sulieman's poetry about Hurrem really sets the bar for men that want a piece of me.
Hahah which poetry is that?
Agree with u
lmao , but she was said to be beauty , are you beauty like her ?
@@NaomiIsSoAwesome98 yes in our world beauty is everything
@@sakurakou2009 I’m so sorry for you and your society that thinks beauty is everything.
The way he loved her is beyond 😭😭😭
indeed
She was kidnapped for his sick pleasure are you kidding me?!!
@@cookiemonster7043 WRONG INFO. She was educated in Kırım Palace which was her mother in law Hafsa Sultan’s home (She was the princess of Kırım) and then, Hürrem was sent to Topkapı Palace by her. She was not kidnapped or sold
@@cookiemonster7043 exactly
@@cookiemonster7043 Here come the atheists who have subjective morality and implement today's world views on the past. very intellectuals atheists. wow impressive 😏
I could not imagine having to see my sons killed off when one of them becomes a Sultan. Just heart-wrenching.
I think this is probably why it was generally expected that they only have the one son, and the sultan would move on. This way no mother be conflicted between her sons.
I think that was the reason why the Sultan moved on if a mother already had a son to avoid conflict.
The whole system was gutwrenchingly brutal. Quite often, the sultans would kill one or several of their adult sons themselves, for fear of being usurped and murdered by them.
And when the old sultan died and the designated heir took the throne...he would customarily kill not only all of his (half)brothers, but also every single son of theirs. His own infant nephews, in other words. Even, if they were still babies or toddlers.
On the other hand...it prevented (for the most part) European style succession wars...which, of course, ultimately cost far more people (soldiers and commoners) their lives. The Ottoman Empire was very stable and peaceful (inside it's borders, I mean) for a long time...and at least partly because of the way the 'productionof heirs'/succession was handled.
In a way, I admire that they didn't make random lower ranking people pay the price for their interfamilial power struggles.
But yeah...it's horrifying to think of the fear and anxiety and pain they all must have gone through...even the lucky winners. Imagine, having to murder your extended family, to survive.
انا من العراق ولا مجال لضعيف القلب عندنا
@@raraavis7782 IT s quite common in asiatic behavior (mentality)
Could you talk about more African and Asian queens and princess? Most people don’t talk a lot about them and I think it would be super interesting
Yeah it shouldn’t be all about white people. Also I would love to learn more about Hawaiian Royalty and Native Americans or natives from the Caribbean.
Yes! She did do Njinga but I wish she would do more I like her videos.
@@cecererei YES I would love to learn about that
@@grammaticalchainsaw7318 hopefully she will do more
@@cecererei I was wondering the same thing! Nothing about the black people
A quick note about her parentage. Coming from Ruthenia her parents were most likely Eastern Orthodox Christians where the custom is that parish priests are typically married. So this was not scandalous.
Cool, thanks for that! I did assume it was yet another priest conveniently forgetting his vows.
@@beth7935 It is legal for eastern orthodox priest to marry.I am orthodox and know the rules.
@@antoanetaanastasova3946 It's a "must" to be married as orthodox priest, so he could get his Parish.
@@draganagavric4944 You are right!
this is really interesting, why is that so? clueless buddhist here 😅
Imagine loving someone so deeply, you changed the rules of an entire empire just to be with them. Wow.
edit: I don't care about England or Henry. Please stop bringing him up, this is not about him.
Yeah
That's a women for you. We are strong we just not validated for it. We need to raise strong girls
Le sigh...right!?
that is how you keep a fuckboy inline baby.. become his peace and comfort.. Like Suleiman wrote in his poems "Hurrem, you are the only person who doesnt stress me in this entire world"
Well Henry the 8th kinda did that, but he was a garbage person.
Such a fascinating yet disgusting part of history like the Chinese imperial harem system, women being treated like expensive cattle yet they were probably the most educated women of their time, and yet had no freedom and were there by force from childhood. History is awesome and horrible at the same time I suppose
indeed.
Ruthless ,mysoginy And cruelty were quite common in asiatic history whether muslim or non muslim
@@elsascridon7256 same can be said about European and african history btw.
@@Abhishek-sr2pu sure but Asia created the most cruel civilizations and ideologies like mongoloid empire and many other examples
@@elsascridon7256 I don't think so the European civilization, American civilization ane african civilization were just ae cruel.
It must have been horrible to know that one of your children will become the next sultan and the other ones will just die. Such a hard and cruel world
Ottoman world was in general very cruel monsters, forcing european women to sleep with turkish people, and taking european male children away from their parents and making them military slaves.
@@nemanjajovanovic2957 filthy liar .
She already knew that, she was just Lucky she doesn't have to witness the death of her son
@@essidmedamine8130 What do you think, who were Janissares? Where did they come from? Where came Rüstem pasha, Ibrahim Pasha, Hürrem, Kösem, Mahidevran and all another slaves from? They were all kidnapped from their homelands. It's historical fact And don't get me started on Fratricide and Filicide.
Abhorrent ottoman practice.
the fact that they were shocked about the sultan being loyal was just great. just shows that a special woman can change a man for the better
Yeah by making him kill his own children..
@@samirjahic2649 thats part of their culture
Cruel but its there
@@sophiavillanueva9602 you call that culture 🤣🤣👍👍
I wouldn’t say it was for the better, he killed his best friend who was loyal to him, he murdered his own son who was his best heir and his two others sons died because of that. So no, it wasn’t for the better.
@@donrog5035 sorry, you said his best friend? you mean gulnihal? if you mean is gulnihal, actually gulnihal just a fiction, only in the drama tv show, she didn't exist in the real life
Ottoman dynasty was true definition of Game of thrones. And trust me, ottoman mothers were fierces kinds of players (Hürrem Sultan, Kösem Sultan, Turhan Sultan...)
Ottomans were monsters, forcing european women to sleep with turkish people, and taking european male children away from their parents and making them military slaves.
@@nemanjajovanovic2957 You are wrong. Those slaves were coming from other countries. Ottomans never slaved the people that they had war. It's against to their belief. Let say 2 countries having a war. So kids and women are sold by them. Ottomans did buy them but gave them a home, statu, money etc
Trust you because? You watched Magnificent Century? A show that was condemned by the Turkish President?
@@barisveesitlik9310 They forcibly took children from parents, and forced children to work hard to become their military servants, and forced them to live apart from their family. They were forced to live that kind of a life, no one asked parents nor children if they want that. That is enslavement and cruelty. Nobody has the right to take children from their parents, and children arent supposed to be taken away from their family and train hard to become soldiers. There is no country that forcibly takes children to make them military servants and to make them work and train hard from their childhood. And we even never considered ottomans our country, those monsters occupied us. THE PARENTS WERE FORCED TO GIVE THEIR CHILDREN. FIRST, IT IS CRIME TO ENSLAVE A COUNTRY, AND AFTER THAT, IT IS ALSO CRIME TO FORCE PEOPLE TO GIVE THEIR WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
@@nemanjajovanovic2957 they called the West or Christian infidel but their wives are European and born Christians 😂😬 Ottoman Empire are not fully blooded Turks
I want to send this to my ex who says men are meant to have multiple wives and women. No woman could possibly be enough on her own. Well, this man had as many women as he wanted and he still found the one he wanted to be with forever. Just her. Bam
@Bilal Zahid yes until hurrem came. It is said was devoted to her only. And yeah he never slept with other women after hurrem arrival.
It is rare to find a good man that can have multiple erections for 8/9 hours straight - and multiple orgasms like most woman do, so how can the rest of them even keep one woman satisfied all night long ? Making love is a very finely tuned work of art, if both are totally spent & satisfied all night until the crack of dawn ! Men that can't love & please one or two at once don't need to think it's his size, it's how he uses it that have women coming back & sharing him because he is all that . LoL dream on boys, until you become king of many nations you can not have a herem.
Hurrem was his first and principal wife but he slept with his other women from the harem not just Hurrem. He wasn’t faithful
@@mamatasubedi761 that’s not true, he never had any children with other women after Hurrem came, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t slept with other women from his harem
@Bilal Zahid yes that's why I was speaking to men other than a king , you only get this many women if your are a king. Not a normal man who has dreams of multiple women. Because a woman would only stay with a man for a few good reasons & share him with a herum only if he was a king.
There is nothing more satisfying than getting a Lindsay Holiday notification😍
i couldn't agree more
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Absolutely nothing🤗
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Imagine being so good that even 500+ years later,people still know you and talk about you🥰
Omg! I'm Turkish and The Ottomans were our ancestors. I love that you are talking about such an important woman in our history. 💕
If you liked this video I highly recommend you watch "Magnificent Century" which is a tv show about Suleiman's reign and Hürrem.
Ben de çok şaşırdım hiç beklemiyordum. Kesinlikle muhteşem yüzyılın etkisi de var ama bu kadar belirsiz harem tarihine rağmen böyle bir video yapması beni de aşırı mutlu etti 🎉 yalan yok hiç beklemiyordum 😂
Kadınlar saltanatı sultanlarının hepsini yapar mı acaba. 🤔
@@serranart Aynen ben de bildirim gelince bir daha okudum yanlış falan mı gördüm diye
@@serranart Yapsa tekrar tekrar izlerim ama hayır galiba. Bir de isimleri öyle telaffuz ettiki doğrularını unuttum resmen 😂
I hope will Lindsay Holiday also cover the Korean Queens like Queen Seondeok of Silla, Queen Noguk of Goryeo and Empress Myeongseong of Joseon
I think she going to do moving south and east like how we started in the UK from then moved further east eventually we will hit east Africa, Madagascar, central Asia, India , then china Korea and japan is what i think gonna happen
That's sounds good since we may encounter different Queens across different civilization around the world.
I actually thought Hurrem had a lot in common with Empress Ki! Taken from a smaller country with a similar history of being caught between big powers, first a slave, then a favourite and lastly Empress...
@@johannao4849 Exactly she is like Empress Ki, she had rose from Harem to a Queen Consorts. Unfortunately, the Rivalry of Ottoman Princes reminds me of the Early Goryeo Period, during the reign of Taejo Wang Geon. Hurrem is like Empress Ki, living in Wang So's or the World of Scarlet Heart Ryeo
I know nothing about them, so I’d love to see a video on them.
Yay! Queens of the world, I get to travel around the world and history from my bed
YAY
Hi Gran 🙋🏼♂️
@@kinghenryviiiofengland4376
Hello Father
Hi great grandma! 😊
tbh yeah
The moral of this story is never underestimate Slavic girls.
More seriously though, it is an amazing story, full of striking contrast and paradoxes. There is much to admire, or be fascinated by in the Ottoman Empire, but their succession system with the institutionalized fratricide is one of the most disturbing things in history for me. Then there is the whole slave trade system. It maybe wasn't overall as bad as the transatlantic one, but still pretty horrible, yet most people don't seem to even know about it. On the other hand, some of its victims were given amazing opportunities for upwards mobility, Hürrem being the most outstanding example.
One of the reasons why I'm happy that you covered this topic is that it is connected to the history of my country, which you showed very well! Since King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland and Lithuania made an appearance on this channel maybe one day we will see a video about his mother, Bona Sforza.
Their slave trade looks worse than the transatlantic one. Those in the America's were at least able to have children. This is just so much crueller.
@@runningfromabear8354 so you think hurrem had no children? interesting...! there are some rumors that the next sultan was her son?
Very interesting story who was kidnap at the age 15 sold by OTOMA EMPIRE changed her HUREEM SULTAN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY BECOME A QUEEN
@@cetcelpen2451 I think they were referring to the black slaves, a lot of the men had to be forcibly castrated and so could not have children ever.
@@ceasargra10 they were castrated by coptic priests in africa. look for the eunuchs. ''In the Ottoman Empire, eunuchs were typically slaves imported from outside their domains.''
The story of Sulaiman the Great and Hurrem is my all time favourite of ancient history... So many dramas, politics, love stories, corruptions, conquerors, heroes, villains all mixed in one amazing tales.. The Turkish Drama Magnificent Centuries potray this amazing periode beautifully.. And Lindsay voices takes me back in time imagining all this characters... Love it!!!
The story where a ruler person forcibly held women in some house, and limited their speech, walking and choosing freedom was your all time favorite? I wouldnt call that a love story, that's cruelty and it is very selfish.
@@nemanjajovanovic2957 mate work on your reading and comprehension skills. He said the story of Sulaiman and Hurrem, not the history of Harems.
@@nemanjajovanovic2957 bwahahahaha! They loved each other a lot! Shutt now
Magnificent Century is almost fictional. The only thing that is true are the names but nothing else. Historically incorrect. Fun fact: Descendents of the Ottomans submitted a complaint against the producers
@@draganagavric4944 bwahahahah! The love story of Hurrem and Suleiman is facts! So shutttuppp! I am Turkkish
I don’t think I’d survive without your channel
I have been so obsessed with the 'Muhteşem yüzyıl' turkish show and Hürrem Sultan(Meryem Uzerli)is my favourite character out of all. I'm so happy you made a video about Hürrem Sultan.
Ikr best series ❤️
Great series, but takes historic liberties.
Hurrem is the most powerful Haseki Sultan, which means she had the most power during her husband's reign. All the powerful sultanas after her got their power because of their sons. That says a lot about Hurrem and I often wonder how stronger she could have gotten if she lived longer.
I’m not a hundred percent sure if this is the truth but my elementary school history teacher had told us Suleiman also wanted to get married because he had gone to wars in Europe and observed their culture and thought the Ottomans could benefit from it
@@ty-zz9icThat's not truth. I can't believe there are people who believe in such things.
I visited the harem and it’s beautiful, Turkey is beyond amazing I wish I could move there
Where is it based?
You're so lucky dude😁😁😁if u're really visired harem
Harem be like:Strip clubs in america but just for rulers
@@aia5524 those types of harems were not strip clubs, lol
@@NaomiIsSoAwesome98 Just a building where women were enslaved
@@nemanjajovanovic2957 yes
I saw a documentary about this woman a few years ago and have been fascinated ever since!! thank you for doing this 💜
I just started watching Magnificent Century and I'm absolutely loving it.
Me too! Completely hooked
Hurrem's life is an amazing story and you did it justice with this presentation. She was a woman well ahead of her time. Another rags to riches cinderella story is that of Francoise D'Aubigne, Marquise de Maintenon. Her story is also worth a video. :)
She reminds me a lot of Empress Xiaoyichun who lived in the court of the Qianlong Emperor. She started off as a palace maid, then caught the emperor's eye and was steadily promoted up through the ranks while keeping his interest and winning more favor than his other concubines, to the point where he made her one of the highest ranked women and then empress after her death. He really loved her.
And he kept sleeping with other slaves as well .there is no true love .she had stockyhome syndrome aswell
Her son made her into empress. She was never promoted to empress by Qianlong.
OMG I REMEMBER WANTING U TO DO A VID ON HER OMG I LOVE HOW YOU INCLUDE HISTORICAL FIGURES FROM EVERYWHERE
So I'm not sure if anyone is interested, but there is a manga called "The Golden Birdcage; Drops of Dream" (Japanese title: Yume No Shizuku, Ougon No Torikago) which tells of Hürrem Sultan's life, this manga is ongoing and is by Chie Shinohara, the same author who made the acclaimed manga "Red River" and the artwork is amazing.
Interesting! Thanks for telling us this!
A manga??? Telling about ottoman empire??? INTERESTING!! Thanks for the info💗
Sweet! Thank you! I love the Manga adaption on historical stories. I also read the one with the Marie Antoinette (The Rose of Versailles) when I was a kid. I can't wait to read this one now. :D
@@tracys169 There's another Marie Antoinette manga by Fuyumi Soryo (Manga creator of ES: Eternal Sabbath and Mars) she also made a historical manga called Ceaser taking place during the Italian Renaissance (I think, I have to go back and check) but with the Marie manga, it's only been released in Japanese and French, it hasn't come over here. I can also give other historical manga if you're interested I know one (technically 2) that you might enjoy. :)
Thank u I will go read it!!
Thank you so much for pointing out that she was from Ruthenia and using a map! It means a lot for someone coming from that region and constantly hearing that she was from Russia.
Ruthenia and ruthenians is modern Ukraine and ukrainians, the have nothing to do with Russia, best wishes
Aye, as an Australian I've no idea where Ruthenia was, or what country it's in today, so I appreciated the map too. And all the countries the USSR swallowed do get lumped together as "Russia" (especially if you learnt geography with the USSR on the map, like I did), even though they're totally different, separate cultures with their own individual histories. I still can't say I know any _facts_ about Ukraine, but I do like a Ukrainian actor, Alec von Utgof... :D
@@geronimo6351 Her contemporaries, foreign diplomats and chroniclers of that era considered her Russian. This is a historical fact that you must keep in mind. If she was Ukrainian, then they would have reported on her that way.
@@svemir5820 She was never considered Russian. She was considered of Rus origin or Ruthenian. All Ukrainians up until the 20th century referred to themselves as Ruthenian. "La Rossa" does not mean "Russian". Did you even watch this video? She was born in Rohatyn, Galicia. At the time she was born (1500) "Russia" wasn't even a thing. There was the Duchy of Moscow until 1547. Galicia never had anything to do with the Muscovites. Roxolana spoke Polish and wrote to the Polish king because she was born in Polish lands.
she was neither Russian or Ukrainian she was Polish "Likowska" is a Polish last name not Rus or Ukrainian
"She used her cunning to charm the sultan and orchestrate..."? Why are women who rise at court automatically plotting, scheming intrigants? With the knowledge we have today we should not make that mistake.
She must have been strategic to some degree to survive at court, but apart from that and with all the evidence we have (letters etc) this is one of the most powerful love stories of human history, where despite a system forbidding monogamy and enabling the sultan to all the pleasures he could think of, their individual bond was stronger. So strong in fact, that it led to the overthrow of the harem concept.
Nobody knows what they have shared between them, as there are no witnesses. But I'm sure that is was more than disguised scheming for power on her part and a shared love for poetry.
Why do you think? In a place like that it's called the survival of the fittest.
Oh and men haven't been cunning through out history? Get real.
She didin't plot intrigues in real life
And if you look back through history, most royal women who broke convention in some way are given the word "cunning" or "ambitious". As if the only way women could ever get ahead was by being conniving and cold blooded. Yes, they had to make sacrifices and difficult decision, but when famous historical men did the same thing, people say "they were good leaders."
I never heard of her... She was incredible! I'm sad people don't talk about her more often!
There is a tv drama about her (aired in 2011), it's huge in eastern/central europe,arab world and south america since the turkish soap operas took over .
ruclips.net/video/rRL0puH-ERY/видео.html
@@fenugreekqueen6805 thanks! I'll definitely check it 😍
She has entire shows and séries about her life
@@helahsn2860 I'll search for them. I've never heard someone talking about her where I live 😅
she is the woman the world never gonna forget....
My mom got me into the Turkish series “Magnificent Century.” The women in the Ottoman Empire were fascinating!
Love that series
Meryem Uzerli potrayal of the Sultana is marvelous, the Sultana is such a strong figure
As a turkish girl please not used sultana in turkish we call queen="KRALİÇE"
@@xxxxxx-rg6qr As a Turkish you should know that one of the official titles for members of the house of Osman was SULTAN, not Kralice. Kralice is a SLAVIC word.
@@eurech Cidden türk müsün ?
@@eurech yeah but we don't say sultana as well
Sultan is a gender neutral title. No need to add the 'a' at the end of it.
The sultan's poem for her has raised my standards for love by a thousand-fold!!!
You should check out a Serbian princess Olivera that had to be given to the Ottoman ruler since he took over the country and killed her father. She was also really young around 14-15 and sacrificed herself for her country. She was also in his harem but he fell in love with her until they were both enslaved by a Khan! The story was so sad and touching.
Yes we need that💛
so the harem was like the rich people's quarantine mansion 😂
🤣🤣🤣 You’re right!!
Lol
Ayy you're correct 😂
😂😂😂😂lol
More like rich women's
Lord, I couldn't bare the thought of having se with someone my mom chose for me or picking for my sons. Shivers.
Or people watching through a peep hole or sitting in the bedroom sketching which sex positions the Emporer or King ( actually done in some places )made to document his life in detail. LoL ewww not a job for me ! Then again , I am a girl I could never be a scribe.
Just be thankfull we’re living in 21centuries
Different times I guess. Back then your parents or the overall public had a much greater say in the sex life of individuals. But also 🤢
@@georgiavexia999 🐮 the age of CATTLZIM
really interesting for me as a turkish person to listen to hürrems story outside of the tv show. i grew up watching 'magnificent century' and i knew that a lot of stuff was made up, but this video still was really eye opening for me. i think hürrem was powerful (as you mentioned) and it makes me proud to see women getting on powerful positions. so inspirational. especially her past makes it so special.
thanks for this interesting video :) im looking forward to watch your other videos
Why is intelligence called cunning when it is a woman’s intelligence?
Kristi
Because they don't have a mother
@@shihamahamed7757 love it!
It amazes me that a story that begins in slavery and sorrow can blossom into such a beautiful love story.
What fascinates me the most about this whole comment section is the people judging the tale of this marvelous woman and the whole world she lived in through the lens of a 21th century worldview.
Beautiful video Lindsay! As a Turkish person, I enjoyed it. It would be so good if you make more videos about Queens from outside of Europe too. 💖
You could do a series about the sultanate of women. Hürrem, Mihrimah, safiye, Nurbanu and my absolute favorite kösem sultan. She really is one of the most outstanding queens ever.
Kosem the most powerful valide sultan!
yes kosem is my favorite ...hurrem is good too
nurbanu and safiya they didn't do series for them maybe they are evil and didn't do good things😂😂😂
Next, Kosem Sultan, The first slave to became Valide Sultan and Regent at the same time
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Hurrem was the first Valide
I mean Nurbanu was the first one and they say the most powerful one she was also a slave from Italy.
@@monikasulekova8568 can't say that since she died before Suleiman
@@monikasulekova8568 hurrem was never valide
Thank you for sharing more about non-Western European history! I got into your channel because of it but I feel kinda ashamed as an Asian who doesn't know that much about Asian history. Would love to learn more about the Rajahs who ruled the Philippines before it was called the Philippines.
Watch the story telling about Sultan Kudarat of Mindanao Philippines who made the Spaniard colonizers kneel..
Oo as A Polish women I love hearing this story and as someone who has a general interest in Indian and the middle east I love this too
@Yzdjan Ali no, watch the video.
Been hooked on Magnificent Century, so glad you did Hurrem! Please do Kosem next!!!
This is so crazy a couple weeks ago I started watching the Turkish show Magnificent Century Kosem which is all about her life. I love it!!!!
Kosem is about kosems life hurrem ls different
Hurrem and Kosem are different person
Alhamdulillah, finally a video about me!
OMG Sultana 🤩🤩🤩
Huge fan 😁
🤣🤣
omg i’m ur biggest fan queen
Hurrem never worked in Bayezid II's granddaughter's household. She was intended for Selim I's haremp. But by the time she reached there Selim was dead and Suleiman was sultan. Finally she was gifted to Suleiman by Hafsa.
There is an ongoing manga entitled "Drops of Dream, The Golden Bird Cage" which is about Hurrem's story. Her romance with Suleiman the Magnificent is one of the most beautiful love stories in the world.
Ahhhh so excited you featured her in this video!!!!!!
Guapa sultana..
Yessss! I love learning about the Sultanate of women! So excited for this one!
Yessss Ottoman queens!! Do Kosem Sultan next please, Lindsey!
Yes. And Noor Jahan too (I know she's not Ottoman, but she was pretty awesome)
@@ladyjanegrey1671 yesss!! I was just about to add her name to my comment. Also another badass woman from the subcontinent she could cover could be Rani Lakshmibai of Jhansi, or Razia Sultan the one and only queen regnant of medieval India, and any other ottoman and Mughal queens with remarkable lives who aren't that famous.
@@obsessivefangirl5055 OMG yes. I've been requesting a video on her for almost a year now
@@ladyjanegrey1671Also her mother in law, Jodha Bai
YES!! I've been waiting on a video about Hurrem Sultana
Such an intriguing and clever woman! I’ve heard her names several times before, but I never took the time to really look into her story! This is great :).
Hi queen anne!
Suleiman’s poem was sweet and gushing. It must have sounded even more sensual in Turkish. 💕
The story where a ruler person forcibly held women in some house, and limited their speech, walking and choosing freedom was sweet for you? I wouldnt call that sweet, that's cruelty and it is very selfish.
The Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania. The map says it, but the voice over didn’t mention the Lithuanian part. It is very important, the two countries were equal partners in the union.
Wasn’t it called Rich Pospolita? So basically there was Kyivdka Rus which was then split between Rich Pospolita and Moscowian kingdom, and Hurem was most likely Orthodox, hence most likely she was Ukrainian as Kyivska Rus was basically a Ukrainian kingdom.
The original name in Polish was Rzeczpospolita, which would translate to Polish - Lithuanian commonwealth. So my use of the word kingdom was not correct, even though this country had a king. During the lifetime of Hurem Sultan the Ukrainian lands were incorporated in the commonwealth but not as a autonomic region.
I love the fact that Hurrem was comfortable enough with the Sultan to reveal to him her fear for her sons.
The start of the Sultanate of Women😍
Yeah I hope she does more of these. Would be really awesome to hear about Kosem
@Yakut58 No actually. That's some lame excuse. Ottomans fell backward and couldn't reform and modernize after some point.
A fascinating voyage through Turkish history. As for the Sultana, what an extraordinary fate. Having risen rom being a harem girl to first concubine, then actually married the Sultan who loved her so much that he made her his full Consort thus making her the Sultana. All her portraits show a beautiful and intelligent woman who must have been absolutely irresistible. Truly, this is the kind of stories which one usually finds in fairy tale books!
the TV show that they made on her was absolutely fantastic I really learned so much about her from it
She's definitely one of those 'Servant to Queen' on those 'Build Your Own Empire' games
Yay! I was hoping you would make a video on her, also the Sultanat of Women is a really interesting topic too!! So exciting for the video!
I got goosebumps......
Best work my dears.....you and your team... deserves a lot of appreciation and praise...
I love your channel...
I was just watching a show on her and this appears! Thank you Lindsay! As usual you have perfect timing! I loved it as usual!
Such an ambitious woman! I'm glad she existed to change the face of history.
I am eagerly waiting for you to cover a Queen from the Indian subcontinent.
Yes...some one related to independence struggle like rani lakshmi bai
laxmi bai or ruqsana or the story of anarkali
@@amrita2338 yh Queen Victoria was empress of India
@@mohammedusmanmufti5311 Victoria never visited India in her lifetime. Besides modern day Indians feel repulsed to name the British rulers as their legitimate monarchs, as it promotes colonialism.
@@amrita2338 It has become stereotypical to think of only Rani Lakshmibai or Razia Sultana as thr lone female monarchs from India. Lakshmibai was technically the regent of her adopted son. There are many underappreciated female royals from India like Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, Vijayaraje Scindia of Gwalior, Amrit Kaur of Kapurthala, Ahilyabai Holkar & Nur Jahan. Then there are princesses like Krishna Kumari of Udaipur, Roshanara Begum & Zeb-un-nissa whose lives were very eventful.
I like the fact that she is not focusing on European Monarchs😉
Hi, do you still hate me?
@@ianbat7092 no
Me too
Hello ladies
@@subhashinidayakar7630
Hello
Omg lindsay I've been wanting you to make this one for forever! Thx so much
I’m also Turkish. I really liked your video and I wish I could see some more powerful Turkish figures such as Hürrem Sultan on your channel. Kisses from Turkey xoxoxo
I HAVE BEEN DYING FOR THIS VIDEO ABOUT HURREM, SHE IS SUCH A BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: If you guys hate Hurrem, then don't even reply to my comment my god
No she was not. She was an evil woman. She was mot that powerful. If you want to get to know about a badass woman look for Kosem Sultan. She was the sultan mother and she actuallt ruled the empire for years because his son were to young to takr the throne. Hurrem was not that powerful she was like a mistress.
@@roccobogi154 Agreed, I respect her for struggles but her struggles were self centered and pointless for the Ottoman Empire.
@@roccobogi154 if there was no Hurem Kosem would be just another slave girl. Hurem influence changed harem.
@@eri6984 It's just really silly tbh. You can say if there were no Hafsa Sultan then there wouldn't be Suleiman thus no Hurrem. Let's say suppose there were no Hurrem, then maybe Nurbanu would, maybe Safiye would, even if none of them did, Kosem herself would made her way up with her characteristics. She changed the years long tradition of Sultans killing their brothers, she changed many rules in the entire empire, she ruled the empire as the first female regent, so the harem rules would be just a piece of cake for her. As I said before, I respect Hurrem for her struggles, but saying if there were no Hurrem then there wouldn't be Kosem is just silly man.
She was a strong woman. She do what she face. She faces violence at the very beginning . She do more than anything a mother can do for their kids.
I'm very surprised and flattered to see Hurrem Sultan! Your narration was delightful; however, I would have appreciated it if you could mention her religious charities more.
I’m a Canadian Indigenous and I’m learning so much about European history
Man I never knew about this strong woman
Thank you for sharing this knowledge
Haha you gotta see kosem sultan, the most powerful sultana in ottoman history.
@@DimSK. search the Most powerrrful Sultanas - Hurrem is FIRST. Not Kosem lmaoooo
@@jeanneaubert4193 it's kosem first.
the ottoman empire has always been so intriguing to me, i loved this video!!!
I was waiting for this! Love from Turkey!
Wow so through and very accurate. So impressed! Thank you!
Next Kosem Sultan!
The fact that sultan had to murder his brothers once he ascends later (like few centuries) backfired on the Ottomans.
I understand that Hurrem didn’t want her sons to be killed when Mustafa would become a sultan, but she was okay with the fact that one of her sons would have to kill the others? I know that Selim became the sultan, I read somwhere that he was concerned the least talented of all Suleiman sons
Omg, I had no idea that Roksolana tried to make an alliance with Poland - and I’m Polish.I know that she came from Ruthenia, which back then lied in Polish Commonwealth.
Thanks for educating me more Lindsay
This stopped once Ahmed I came to the throne.
About Sultan Selim,yes, he was considered the least favorite one and now we recall him as “Selim the Drunk” so... It summarizes the point I believe.
@@kenna163 It didn't stop in Ahmed's time, Ahmed was the first Sultan to not kill his surviving brothers but the tradition ended many years after his death. Ahmed's sultan sons, Osman and Murad, murdered their brothers for example.
Hmm nope selim would not execute his brothers when he ascended throne and he wasent conidered drunken faliure in real life everyone wanted him on the throne over bayazid
@@amarljuca7968 actually, nobody wanted him. And he killed Beyazid before becoming sultan
With the narration I m recalling magnificent century series.👸🤴
True maam
I've always wondered how Hürrem actually felt about Suleiman. They've gone down as this beautiful love story, where a slave is raised from rags to riches by the love of a divine king. But the truth was, she was violently ripped away from her homeland and loved ones, and sold into slavery where her future was by no means secure. She may have truly loved Suleiman, but it's much more likely that at least part of her love was a survival mechanism.
How often she must have been sitting in the harem, showered with silk and jewels, and thinking about the family she was stolen from.
I used to watch the Magnificent Century back in Poland, and oh my god I loved Hurrem sm. That show really made me so interested in her life. I'm so glad you did a video on her.
lindsay u r amazing! since you did hurrem, can you do videos on other haseki sultan and valida sultan( sultan's mother) and important princess. namely, mihrimah, nurbanu, safiye, helime, kosem.
Yes, would love a whole video about the sultanate of women!
hey does anybody remember the part where Mustafa dies on The Magnificent Century show cus that was so mf sad. And that part where Mihrimah gets married but she love another one. That part also broke my heart. Anyways great video Lindsey!
I just finished season 3 of Magnificent Century and Mehmet has just died an the new Hurrem has appeared, but I'm most devastated to know Bali Bey won't be back for season 4!
Many historian says Mistafa would had been a better sovereign than Hurrem’s son Selim the Sot. Mustafa was more eligible and more educated in many fields. Selim were not that into being the king he was more like a party guy so bayezid(also hurrem’s son) or Mustafa would have been a better choice
@@roccobogi154 every son of hurrem might have been a better king than selim
@@piratesswoop725 do you watch them on youtube as well?
@@dearaqis yes!
yeeesssss. i have been waiting for this for so long.
Enjoyed this video so much I’ve read books and watched a tv show and documentaries about Suleiman and Hurrem And you included a lot of informations
God why all those love letters wrote by rulers are creepily cheesy... ☠️I'm dead...
Maybe they sound better in the native language? Here’s hoping, anyway. 😂
I guess when you’re king no one’s about to tell you it’s bad.
@@--enyo-- yeah lol.... also maybe because it was a long time ago. So maybe it wasn’t cheesy to say those types of things back then, but cheesy to us now 😅.
@@harharharharharharharharha240 how can I forget that sinistery word ☠️ and yeah may be in future people looking at our texts will be disgusted too like how we do😬
@@harharharharharharharharha240 I just thought about that😂
@@--enyo-- Yes if you watch Magnificent Century (its available on youtube) you can hear the actor who plays Suleiman recite some of the poems and they do sound really romantic in Ottoman Turkish.
I grew up watching Magnificent Century (watched it as a young Hungarian and we called it ‘Szulejmán’, my grandma introduced me to a lot of Turkish, Italian and Spanish Tv shows), and it was a really interesting and informative TV show
This was a fantastic, dramatic, and interesting video! Thank you!
This video broke my heart...Those poor women (And eunuchs) ..A gilded cage is still a cage..
Thank YOU SO MUCH!!! for covering Hurrem & Nzinga, I'd LOVE for you to cover more non-european queens. Can't wait for your video about more Haseki & Valide Sultans, Rani Lakshmi Bai of Jhansi, Rani Chennamma, Queen Dowagers Cixi & Ci'an, Wu Zetian, Queen Himiko, Empress Wenxian, Empress Xiao Yanyan, Sayyida al Hurra, Empress Suiko etc
Omg finalllllyyyyyy!!!!!!
PLEASE ALSO DO 1 FOR KISEM SULTAN
This was an enjoyable history lesson! Thank you for putting it together. Marriage through the good bad and ugly!
I love your history lessons and especially because you include a lot about women. Thank you.