Errors/Updates 1) Moog is pronounced Moog not Moog....as in "This video does not feature the Moog" 2) It appears that the dad in the outro mis-remembered that his 1970s Ford Capri was a 2.8i when the 2.8i model only came out in the 1980s. However after a bit more pressing it turns out that he never had a Capri - he owned a Vauxhall Viva, he just said he had a Capri to sound cool.
As the guy who designed the decoder and the co-designed the decode (and encode)- it's not just QS - it uses QS as the basis because the maths is wonderfully circular - but we have our own special sauce that helps improve the separation, the side images and also makes the stereo encode far less constricted than QS was (part of why they lost the format wars to SQ). Having said that, it's 100% QS compatible for that reason, and will decode just fine through existing QS decoders, just as any QS material decodes through that board. :) Also decodes other formats and does a great job of extracting surround information from most stereo sources.
Still cool cars. My uncle had a 3.0L MK1 Capri...purple paint with green fluffy interior...!.....I myself had a green L reg Vauxhall Viva...those metal pointed bumpers were lethal..!
Techmoan's willingness to get outside his usual musical comfort zone for the sake of a new format experience is honestly the most wholesome thing on the net these days.
These days there is many if not mostly hifi enthusiast targeted releases of the album. 2003 remaster/mix 2011 mix and even japan only SACD last year. It is one album I have many times over in my collection of sorts
Suzanne Ciani is also known for her work in creating one of the first composed soundtracks for a pinball machine. She did the soundtrack to the Bally game called Xenon. She has a lot of fans in the hobby.
My aunt and uncle had a quadraphonic stereo and I remember listening to Switched on Bach and it was amazing. Electronic music is what got me interested in computers and here I am today a software engineer. I wish I could bring that experience back.
@@fvefve12 not really that interesting or surprising. Firstly this is actually a vinyl record. 2. a streaming deal would sound stupid and be inaccurate since the deal will include at least a CD release and touring. 3 a record means a recording, not just a a vinyl recording. I hope this helps..
"Record" has gone from the noun use, the physical vinyl record, to the verb use, the act of recording. They're homographs, spelled the same but pronounced differently. Ree-cord is the act of recording, reh-cord is the physical or digital object that was ree-corded.
@@AshenTechDotCom I'm no expert, but I think it won't, because in quadraphonic the 4 channels have same range and same function, whereas in 5.1 the speakers have different functions. But I'm not sure, probably you can somehow do it.
BozowolfnHD Hehe, well it seems that is a really expensive method so I’m not sure ot would be feasible to sell. Would you pay close to 300 quid for a record? 😉
A valid point for sure because, truthfully I rarely buy physical music these days. Plus 300 quid/dollars/euro could buy a couple of nice synths or in my own case, several VSTs. The recording technique seems easy from other videos I've looked at. Though, it's a very small market segment on the consumer side.
I love the art house shirt Matt, very appropriate. I'm now 63, for a time in the 70's and early 80's I had a business in Hammersmith configuring Quadraphonic listening rooms for people with loads of money and little taste. The problem with Quad was not only the competing formats but also the lack of media. People just got bored with listening to the few quad recordings that were in their particular format. What really made multi field systems worthwhile wasn't music at all but the rise of multi channel video. It always amazed me that you could get a Dolby 5.1 surround system to watch your favourite movie that sounded amazing but the picture was in crappy 720 by 480 on a relatively tiny screen. What was/is kind of sad is that very few music recordings take true advantage of a 5.1 or more system. Most recordings are nothing more than a stereo mix with a bit of field panning.
Good thing about a 5.1 setup is you can crank up the front center channel for movies like "Inception" where the audio "geniuses" have the dialog buried under a ton of "foreground music". That movie has the worst audio mix to ever win awards. Not having a 5.1 setup when I rented that movie, I had to watch it with subtitles because the stereo track's dialog was next to inaudible, and downmixing the 5.1 track to stereo resulted in the same buried dialog.
I remember my uncle gave me a quadraphonic decoder with accompanying stereo/amps/speakers back in the 80s. I set it all up and was rather disappointed not fully understanding what it all was about. The little woodgrain box with a stainless front plate and chrome dials had a several settings including "quad" "matrix" "fake quad" and "cross" I believe. It sat at "fake quad" most of the time just to make all the speakers output sound not knowing any better. One day I noticed a record at a second hand store that said quadraphonic. Out of curiosity I nab it, set the setting on the decoder to "quad" and play the record. I have no idea what the record was now, but I was quite impressed. Then I noticed all the records we already had that had such a quadraphonic label :-). So so long ago, and I was so young.
I have an uncle that I believe, to this day, still has his original quad amp and speaker setup and still uses it (or at least it's plugged in). My Dad's stereo has always been vastly superior to that uncle's (his brother), but Dad always did get a little jealous of that quad amp... even in the day when he has a far better surround setup.
The first and last time I heard quadraphonic was in 1973, Dark Side of the Moon. I've often thought of searching for a copy of that album and something to play it on. The end was pure gold
I didn't know about this! I'm UK based and own a Buchla 200e (her instrument... well she used a 200 back in the day) . I love Suzanne Ciani, saw her live earlier in the year (first time in the UK)
My neighbour had a quadraphonic system in the 70s. He demonstrated it with the sound of a motorbike racing round and round the room. Was it John Lennon who said stereo was for boring people who only had two ears?
I don't like multi channel systems! I thing the only porpose of them is for demonstrations. I have a pionner multi channel receiver and have just bought an onkyo stereo receiver. And that's just because I have only two ears. lol
@@canaconn2388 Deadass. It's not often done but when the attention to detail is there you get an amazing experience. Far better than Stereo. Stereo is sufficient but it's definitely Not as good as a Good Surround Mix. Doesn't DSotM have a Quad mix as well ? I believe I heard about there being one back in the 70's that was impressive. I would imagine the 5.1 Surround mix is based on that. One day it would be nice to experience it in person.
@@psrjbr and here I'm setting up a 5.2.4 Dolby Atmos system (technically 10 channels, one being a sub channel split in two) so I can listen to Atmos music on Tidal. Really though, mono is where it's at because you only have one brain.
This is the first time I can recall seeing The Moans (don't know their proper names) segment where the son comes off as the rational one and the dad comes off as the daft one. Still funny either way.
Cars should adopt quadraphonic audio because they would be the perfect implementation of the format in my opinion. This would help bolster it’s appeal. With digital audio file formats like caf files being lossless and AAC lossy both able to render quad & stereo mix down files in a single file and decode them properly and instantly weather you are listening in quad or stereo. It is as simple as choosing the option at mixdown (render) in audio workstation software like Apple’s Logic Pro X, quad just seems like an obvious step in the right direction.
CyKiK, Thank you for the explanation... AND making the audio files available! Being a geek, getting a board and hooking up a bunch of speakers is right up my alley. But, space... Using a predefined encoder already in my surround system is much more 'practical' I'll be trying the DTS Neo:6 and Dolby Prologic decoders. . I get your comments about mixing engineers getting their head around mixing in discrete channels before going to an encoding format. When I dabbled in 5.1 mixing, I did 6 discrete channels and mixed to encoder. It was always a trial-&-error to get a final mixdown that sounded close to the original. I have been impressed with the limited new audio I have been hearing. It really seems like the modern mixing artists are doing things well. . What a great project!
Hi I built my own SQ/QS decoder from the circuit diagrams published in Practical Wireless magazine here in the uk ( Oct 73 - Jan 74 ) . I purchased 2 records to play on the system from the US as no shop in Oxford had any at the time . Tubular Bells - Mike Oldfield ( SQ ) and Music - Carole King ( QS ) . I killed my decoder after moving house ( Wrong Power Supply ! ) and have never got around to re-building it . I have not tried playing the records through my Pioneer VSX-D810S , infact I have not played a record for years . I don't expect that my turntable still works ! Thanks Alan
Hi I have the original mags in binders but I am lazy ! . If you go to www.americanradiohistory.com they have copies of lots of magazines including these 4 ( I just checked ) as PDF files . Good luck , its lots of Transistors , resistors and Op-Amps . Perhaps there is a chip which will do it all to save you all that work ? Alan
Here's an incredibly simple one: 1.bp.blogspot.com/-a99d5AHTZwk/Vmy8Yc_ywZI/AAAAAAAAF48/HwhhiOkFIx8/s1600/ETI-sq-decoder-lores.jpg Do not substitute component values - they are critical for attaining the correct phase shifts. There are also lots of old books that contain a SQ decoder circuit.
@@Jakeneverwins I don't know. Try searching for the title of the schematic, or for the watermark. I didn't check that out. Generally, if nothing is indicated in the circuit, a TUN or TUP would be used (Transistor Universal NPN (PNP). In this case, that could be BC547. Ideally go for the low noise version like the BC549. Of course there are many equivalents. The BC's are the most common type in Europe, but there are american 2n-types too and japanese 2sc's too.
I've got a bunch of my Dad's old CD4 disks, but no demodulator and no fancy stylus. Quad is so hard to research these days, so I'm real excited about your future video!!
The main difference between Buchla and Moog synths is one of approach not technology. Don Buchla was more interested in experimental music and his machines were full of odd controllers like capacitance pads. Bob Moog wanted to create an instrument applicable to any kind of music. The Moog had drum and ribbon controllers (think sliding your finger along a violin string) but it was mainly a keyboard instrument.
Hi Techmoan, your a Lucky guy to get a free copy then. I have had a fully Qudro set in the 70's with a CD4 < SQ aswell QS decoder. For the best results you need a pickup system with a shibata needle. Just give it a try. Because the frequenties to decode them are above 25 KHZ. And a pickup system with a Shibata needle goes up to 50 or 65 KHZ. Put 1 in you Denon EG a Ortofon Black. I'm sure you wont regret. Kind regards.
LINKS: Available to buy from here: www.cykik.com/quad/ciani Wired Article: www.wired.com/story/suzanne-ciani-live-quadraphonic Interview with the Record Producer KamranV : synthesemontreal.com/2018/06/15/interview-with-kamranv/ Prosound News Article: www.prosoundnetwork.com/recording/the-unlikely-return-of-quadraphonic-vinyl Suzanne Ciani: Website: www.sevwave.com/bio Documentary www.alifeinwaves.com Live Concert: ruclips.net/video/Ol6So6dgQUM/видео.html Presentation: ruclips.net/video/CFD72PXOmxA/видео.html
Techmoan how about renting a local Church Hall or something similar ? We do rent them every now and then for our kids birthday parties, they are not that expensive to rent, would probably recommend to make sure there are no other parties going at the same time as kids + Music can disturb your recording....
We had a late 70's ford thunderbird with a quad 8 track, which we always thought was the best thing about the car. Afew albums we really loved ,you might also enjoy. Ike and Tina Turner live at carnegie hall called what you hear is what you get . . . Very exciting excellent recorded performances at the top of their game. The ford quad demo was great too, with a varity of top acts from various genres. Santana had a great album out at the time as well. All were very engaging in the quadrophonic format. Happy hunting and thanks for the shows 😃
Up until a few years ago I had a Pioneer QX-4000 quad receiver with 4 channel discrete amplification. Rated at 10 watts RMS per channel it would easily fill my small shop with sound. It also had a matrix selection for use with a 2 channel source. Front to rear fader with separate front & rear balance control. Such a nice unit for being from the 70's. Should not have parted with it. I now have a Kenwood Spectrum 88 system that I am figuring out. Some speaker hum that i'm dialing in on. I'm using the main power amp to run some subs for my HT system & the rest to use as a 2nd system for an adjacent listening room. I'll be keeping all of it long into the future. Thanks for the tips & history!!
Back in 1975 I saw the movie "Rollerball" at the Cinarama Dome Theater in Hollywood. The movie featuring "Quad Sound" and speakers (Infiniti) were placed in the isles for this propose. The movie was based on an extreme roller derby sport and as the action on screen went around the track, the sound would move between the speakers. I thought this movie might kickstart the Quad sound system but no one followed this formula. We would have to wait for the 5.1 systems in theaters much later. I had a few friends that had Quad systems but they were cheap units and there were only a few LP's available and compared to a quality stereo no one would choose quad. Thanks again for the trip down memory lane.
That moment when you're off work for a week and you think sod it I'll get up early and make the most of the day. You get a brew ,some toast, and pop open the laptop to see that Techmoan's uploaded another video... A fantastic start to the day in my opinion.
Regarding the Kanto vs Roth speakers sounding the same - I know Kanto is a Canadian company, they're in Coquitlam (part of the greater Vancouver area) and their stuff is designed there. I bought a Sub8 a few years back and was surprised at how fast it shipped to me in Edmonton - it came rail freight direct from Vancouver and shipping was basically free. Roth's other products don't resemble Kanto's enough to just be rebranded Kanto stuff. It was weird when they started actually selling Kanto in great quantities here in Edmonton, I can go out and buy GOOD powered speakers at like five different stores around town instead of being offered the usual Best Buy dreck (Bose/Klipsch/Sony).
I've had a turntable and preamp hooked up to my Onkyo 5.1 for the last 12+ years. The Pro-Logic in the receiver decodes QS vinyl with incredible clarity and precision. This is the way I originally head 'Bitches Brew', off the quad vinyl. For a time (over 2 decades), there was a lot of QS/SQ vinyl clogging Goodwill stores.
Loved this! I believe Mike Oldfields first three albums were released on quad vinyl in a box set called 'boxed'...would be interesting to hear this played through your quad set-up.
My first Quad lesson was on a Buchla Model 100, at the University of Washington (mid 70’s). The quiz involved making a ping-pong ball sound and having it move from speaker to speaker. It was expected to get faster and quieter with each bounce. I don’ t now recall if the Model 100 had Buchla’s combination VCA/low-pass filter, which could have reduced the “ball’s” overtones along with it’s volume, as it proceeded around the room. But that’s an example of Don Buchla’s way of looking at sound. (Later models do include that VCA.). To hear a Model 100, check out Morton Subotnick’s “Silver Apples of the Moon” (the first modular-synthesizer record). Also, check out “Lost Voices of Hagia Sophia” by Cappella Romana, on Blue Ray, for a 5.1 representation of the great cathedral of Constantinople (aka Istanbul). Now, if the 5.1 “center” speaker were overhead and the four corners were balanced for quad ... hmm.
Thanks for the video Mat. I'm not a purist audiophile. Your setup worked great for you and that's what counts. My friend Paul has a 1970's quad vinyl setup and he demonstrated it once with the famous Pink Floyd LP Dark Side Of The Moon. The record jacket had an explanation of how SQ worked. I guess there are photos of it on the internet or I can ask Paul if he can photogtaph them for you. Best wishes.
Don't quote me, but I think Dark Side of the Moon was recorded with a different system from the Sansui one mentioned in the video. The confusingly named SQ and QS were rival systems. One of them had a problem with encoding centre rear (or maybe both of them did) so that meant that area had to be avoided when mixing/panning each instrument.
I know DSOTM has at the very least been released in SQ. I have a vinyl rip on my PC somewhere, you can torrent it and try it. All those ping pong effects are marvellous in quadraphonic sound! You can also use Adobe Audition and some script to convert 5.1 audio to either SQ or QS - check the quadraphonicquad forums for those scripts.
LimaVictor, I’ve just up quad this week in my flat and I’ve been trying to rind the quad version of dark side. Would you mind sending me that? I’d be very grateful.
The torrent might be dead (they have all been dying for a while) but you can try this one: rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3755202 Click 'Скачать раздачу по magnet-ссылке · 861.6 MB" Search 'dark side of the moon quadraphonic torrent' or something to find more torrents. Always be careful to not get a computer STD from funky russian torrent sites ;) Try it first, if all else fails, send me a private message via gmail or google plus or whatever can be found on my profile.
I remember hearing Chicago's wishing you were here in quadraphonic in the 70's ,the song begins with ocean waves and in quad it sounded as if you were standing in the water about say 10 feet from the shore line, you could hear the waves coming at you on the front speakers then pass you and then breaking on the shoreline on the rear speakers behind you. Also each instrument came out of it's own speaker ,cool stuff.
I remember reading that the shibata stylus was created for quadrophonic records as regular styli couldn’t pick up enough detail in the higher frequencies where the rear channel information was encoded. So, you might have even more luck with your Denon T/T if that uses a shibata. Also, if your AV amplifier has analogue inputs, you should be able to get a quad system running through your existing surround setup. You probably already know all of this given the amount of research you usually do for your videos, but I thought I’d mention, just in case :)
Well, the Shibata stylus was only used for RCA's/JVC's CD-4 system (which was a PITA to get working). SQ/QS records could be played back using any standard stereo cartridge and stylus as the rear channels are cleverly mixed into the fronts through phase shifting and inversion. Of course, this method yielded poor separation upon decoding and required logic decoders. And another thing, I'm not sure about his Denon. Not only do the cartridge and stylus have to be CD-4 capable, the capacitance of the tonearm wires and RCA cables has to be taken into consideration too. No wonder CD-4 was the first system to go during the Quad War.
My understanding is that the Shibata was developed for CD-4 because the carrier signal for the rear channels was at too high a frequency for any standard elliptical stylus to pick up (it is at 30Khz). It had nothing to do with the music/audible frequencies.
You really should just integrate quadraphonic to your current 5.1 setup. If you have an analog 5.1 input on your Marantz, plug in your CD-4 demodulator or QS/SQ decoder and ignore the center and sub inputs.
Seems like you just need another dedicated stereo amp to use on your subs and a switch box to flip it back to 5.1 for movie sound tracks. I don't know what receiver you're running, but my Pioneers don't care if I turn the subwoofer feature in the menus on or off. The mains still seemingly play all of the mains frequencies. I think the on/off has more to due with how it handles the delays while decoding. I'm of the belief that mine hits the .1 channel just a touch later than the mains so you can't localize the sub as easily. So... You should be able to set that up on a pretty simple RCA cable switcher and not have to mess with amp settings all the time to go between quad and 5.1, should you desire. Basically you'd just be setting your subs to stereo L/R or mono .1 channel. Then again, this may all vary wildly by manufacturer and system. That's just how it seems my stuff works.
I think they would have a much better chance to revive quadraphonic if they recorded a live studio performance with many instruments. Electronic music from a box is more like.. standing in a discotheque.
Electronic music can give you a much more interesting and unique experience that just a regular music performance though. It can create an entire world and all kinds of sensations and perspectives, and things can move around and so on. It's really unconstrained, so if you are trying to show off the quad audio it's gonna be way more impressive. A live studio performance is really not gonna be any better than stereo, other than maybe more accurately saying "that dude was standing over there".
Maybe I am sleep deprived as well, as that brought memories of my first car stereo upgrade. Massive speakers, pinoeer headunit and amp, buttoned her up, went with my mate for a test drive, we were so badass untill the woman in the drivethrough asked me to roll down my window :))
Hahaha as a Capri owner and enthusiast i had to laugh! We have just done a 50th anniversary car show on Sunday and i bet this conversation came up somewhere!
I remember having read an article in "Stereo Review" back in the early-to-mid 1970s about how you could get a reasonable facsimile of Quadrophonic decoding by simply adding a 3rd (rear) speaker whose leads you connected to the "hot" speaker outputs of the L and R speaker outputs on your two-channel amplifier. The idea is that the third (rear) speaker -- which you would place behind you -- played the "difference" signal between the two stereo channels. I tried it out, and the results were astonishingly good. The first vinyl record I tried it with was the eponymous "Emerson, Lake, and Palmer" album. In the final track, "Lucky Man," there's a great monosynth solo at the end of the track, and heard through this three speaker arrangement the synth sound seems to arch up over your head and go behind you. Whew! You may want to try this sometime. Even with a cheap 3rd speaker it's amazing.
Looking forward to your view of the Toshiba SB-404S, I've had and used one for years (been in storage now for the same amount of years or so). Bought it for the four blue VU meters :D And I've bought every quad vinyl I've come across. And indeed: a Dolby prologic/digital decoder also gives quite an approximation.
The CD4 system required a shibata stylus to extend response up to 70khz (not required for playback) where the two rear channels were FM encoded (over 20 -45 khz). Not sure which system was better? There were other systems but these two were most successful.
Neat! Never knew it really existed, I drove cars for a dealer around 2005 and a model of car had a 4.1 radio. I found a demo disc somewhere to play in it, and I thought that was "new". Must have been cool back in the 70's. So many interesting formats available.
We have seen the 50's diner setup in context with the rest of the room. THE 4TH WALL HAS BEEN BROKEN, THE ILLUSION IS SHATTERED! Also that rip at the end regarding the puppets. Nice! Ah, I should look up that woman - judging from the samples you provided in listening that album and her work may well be something I'd enjoy. I'd imagine in quad it would be quite the experience, the fact its from vinyl being an added bonus. Great video Mat, as always. :D
In the 70's my dad had a Sansui Quad reciever,with built in 250w per channel preamp. Our local radio station WDIZ/100.3 in Orlando,Fl. broadcast in quad back then. It was awesome!! Pink Floyd,Mike Oldfield,Jethro Tull,Deep Purple,Rush,and many others were often Rocked out at highest possible volume when ever my folks weren't home and my friends came over.
dandanthetaximan Look at the pinned comment. The music itself is freely available (yea, it seems to be the quad master.) You just can't get it physically without the docoder.
Fascinating stuff. Ciani performed at the BBC Proms this year at the Albert Hall. Prom 13 on 23 July was called "Pioneers of Sound" and featured pieces by Daphne Oram and Delia Derbyshire. Ciani played "Improvisation on Four Sequences" live, from a small platform in the middle of the floor of the hall, so presumably the sound came from all around. The BBC HD transmission on BBC 4 was in 5.1, but I don't have a decoder. Might have to upgrade my system. It was quite impressive even in stereo. The effect in the hall must have been stunning. Looks like she used the same setup as the live concert you linked to. Back in the 70s, my dad, who was a classical musician, had a Rotel tuner/amp with Quadrophonic capability. I can't remember which system it used, but playing quad LPs was impressive. He had a number of Deutsche Gramphon that I remember but I have no idea where it all went. Last time I saw the Rotel it no longer worked.
I remember in the early '70's there were a lot of loud concerts, but the Quadraphonic ELP concert in San Antonio was the loudest. Their sound designer, Bill Hough, assembled a 28,000-watt surround sound system, controlled by a three-tiered mixing desk. (The three mixing boards, by themselves, weighed 285 pounds.) If you could put up with a little echo, a little delay, you were getting the same concussive sound waves in any part of the venue. You could actually feel your body vibrating to the music sound waves. I didn't have 100% hearing for several days after!
Back in the 80s a friend of mine inherited his brother's old stereo system when he upgraded. It was a quad rig with a joystick that let you sweep the music around the room to your liking. He only had a couple quad albums and for the life of me I can't recall which they were but we had a lot of fun with it.
Will that work with my vintage pioneer quad table and quad decoder? My quad table has a quad cart that has 2 stylus. I only have a handful of quad records since they didnt make a whole lot but piper at the gates of dawn sounds amazing in true quad. I hope quad comes back since I like it better than 5.1.
You don't need a 'quad cart' to play this record back. Those were used for RCA's/JVC's CD-4 system which had a totally different approach to getting four channels on a record. This record is encoded using Sansui's QS system, which can be played back using any stereo cartridge and stylus. The only thing is, your receiver needs either a QS or Regular Matrix (RM) setting to decode it faithfully.
Ahh, gotcha! I am definitely interested if they were to get a more vast selection. I bought into the quad tech a long time ago expecting it to become mainstream but unfortunately it different. I still have that original cart that has the 2 sylus.
What a coincidence. I was watching this channel last night and I’ve just set up quad in my house this week. Not because I like it. I just have two old hifi amps and four speakers and wanted surround.
Thank you so much for reviewing and giving insight into this stellar quad vinyl release! I've mixed and released 4 albums now in quad (digital formats) and it's great to see more and more people getting into quad and multichannel music! For more on Symbion Project and Kodomo quad digital releases, visit here: quadaudio.bandcamp.com/
It's a pretty safe assumption that even if they don't ship themselves, that at least a few of them would end up in other countries, and including a slightly better power supply was worth the while. At $200+ they aren't penny pinching.
They have enclosed a generic power supply that happened to be multi region. Maybe they did that for techmoan being in the UK or maybe that's just what they ship. Does it really matter??
Suzanne was at the BBC Proms this year, if you watched it on BBC4HD it was broadcast in Dolby Digital. She sounded amazing too 😀 sounds were flying all round my living room, was a great experience 😁 Denon receiver and 5 Mission speakers and sub btw 😉 Great video as always ❤️
From the comments it looks like you should have reviewed the Ford Capri. I never got to hear Quad except perhaps in the cinima. Pink Floyd live at Pompei for example but look how far we have come. We now have very expensive mono from the Apple HomePod and Google Home.
Qview Q Those are not playback devices. They are fully operational implementations of the Big Brother surveillance screens from the 1984 book. And now Britain is leaving Eurasia and joining the US to create the predicted geopolitical configuration.
Colin, they are which is why the Amazon one comes in different flavors. Personally, I got the dot and ran it through a proper sound output device. Of course, you're still only at streaming quality.
It’s really awesome to be able to see a quadrophonic record in 2018! I’ve always wanted to hear what one sounded like and it was quite interesting to hear that on the video
I was in a student band in the late 90s. Our drummer had a terrible mk2 Capri. It had the smallest engine you could get and was a horrid beige colour apart from the rust. The only cassette he had was the Faces and we'd blast it out of the (one?) speaker on the way to band practice. You'd never had thought a full kit would fit but it actually did. Great times.
Hi Mat, interesting as always. You might know about the quadraphonicquad web site, very active in all forms of surrounded sound (QS, SQ cd-4 matrix-Hj etc) There are even scripts to decode SQ and QS using Adobe audition, great fun! Once again thanks for this
My dad did buy in the 1980s a Kenwood KR-9940 and a Panasonic SL770 turntable with 4 Yamaha NS690 speakers and as far I can remember, we have never been able to make this work in quadraphonic mode. I will always remember that big Kenwood receiver with VU meters and its colors... We still have a pair of the NS690 playing as of this day but the Kenwood receiver had an issue for a long time and we never found anybody who could fix it, I should have just kept it instead of trowing it in the trash back then...
Errors/Updates
1) Moog is pronounced Moog not Moog....as in "This video does not feature the Moog"
2) It appears that the dad in the outro mis-remembered that his 1970s Ford Capri was a 2.8i when the 2.8i model only came out in the 1980s. However after a bit more pressing it turns out that he never had a Capri - he owned a Vauxhall Viva, he just said he had a Capri to sound cool.
As the guy who designed the decoder and the co-designed the decode (and encode)- it's not just QS - it uses QS as the basis because the maths is wonderfully circular - but we have our own special sauce that helps improve the separation, the side images and also makes the stereo encode far less constricted than QS was (part of why they lost the format wars to SQ). Having said that, it's 100% QS compatible for that reason, and will decode just fine through existing QS decoders, just as any QS material decodes through that board. :) Also decodes other formats and does a great job of extracting surround information from most stereo sources.
Still cool cars. My uncle had a 3.0L MK1 Capri...purple paint with green fluffy interior...!.....I myself had a green L reg Vauxhall Viva...those metal pointed bumpers were lethal..!
Hahaha! That embellishment is fantastic!
I always thought it was Moog though.....
Should have given Ambisonics a go.
Techmoan's willingness to get outside his usual musical comfort zone for the sake of a new format experience is honestly the most wholesome thing on the net these days.
Couldn't have said it any better. 🙂
I like that you called it “the net”. I miss those days...
You are easily amused fanboy.
Quadraphonic sound, a strobe light, and a water bed; gentlemen, say hello to the Second Base Mobile
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Don't forget the mirror ball :)
peggie
Laaaadddy Bird
I'm curious what this sound experience looks like when attached to an oscilloscope?
The Quadraphonic mix of Dark Side Of The Moon was phenomenal, also the only actual quad record I ever had.
If you can find a copy, I highly recommend.
this comment triggered me to hunt down a copy of the quad mix of dark side of the moon. I ended up discovering Animals 2018 remix, which is amazing!
Is a decoder needed?
@@JmieRUclips yes. I used a quadrophonic turntable.
These days there is many if not mostly hifi enthusiast targeted releases of the album. 2003 remaster/mix 2011 mix and even japan only SACD last year. It is one album I have many times over in my collection of sorts
“An alien landscape of noise.” - I thought you were talking about your shirt for a minute there Matt.
I thought he talked about my ex-wife.
You should see the shirts Curious Droid wears. They're from Madcap England. ruclips.net/channel/UC726J5A0LLFRxQ0SZqr2mYQ
lol @Sad
Yea, but I keep getting distracted by his "Evil Genius" right eye wrinkles.
Hey, I like that shirt. :?
Matt ain't got nothing on David Grainger: photos.smugmug.com/Concours-dLeMons-082016/i-Cdj2kMn/0/31943369/XL/MCH-L-Lemons-0821-19-XL.jpg
Quadraphonic? Awesome! I’m listening to the video with a single earbud...
Suzanne Ciani is also known for her work in creating one of the first composed soundtracks for a pinball machine. She did the soundtrack to the Bally game called Xenon. She has a lot of fans in the hobby.
I actually have a Sansui QR-500 quadraphonic amplifier from 1973. Still works like a champ.
"I used to have Quadraphonic sound in my Ford Capri" XD .. Brilliant ending. Thanks Mat!
Weird seeing the old puppet play the stupid role!
My aunt and uncle had a quadraphonic stereo and I remember listening to Switched on Bach and it was amazing. Electronic music is what got me interested in computers and here I am today a software engineer. I wish I could bring that experience back.
That's cool bro but can you set up arch Linux in 30 minutes
"I'd probably like another listen to that." I hope they use that as a review quote on their website 😃
More than I would say. Just sounded like random nonsense noses to me. How the hell do these people get record deals?
@@fvefve12 not really that interesting or surprising. Firstly this is actually a vinyl record. 2. a streaming deal would sound stupid and be inaccurate since the deal will include at least a CD release and touring. 3 a record means a recording, not just a a vinyl recording. I hope this helps..
.... and the diplomatic 'well, that was an interesting experience' :)
Fred Versteeg It’s almost like the label and artist sign a deal to record songs
"Record" has gone from the noun use, the physical vinyl record, to the verb use, the act of recording. They're homographs, spelled the same but pronounced differently. Ree-cord is the act of recording, reh-cord is the physical or digital object that was ree-corded.
Never did i expect modular synthesis to make its way to your channel! Great video as always!
You have more shirts than James May!
that's crazy talk
It must be a middle aged English man thing.
@@CardboardSliver I'm not English, but I already decided I'm going to wear floral shirts when my hair goes gray 😅
@@deniskobozev3916 It's a prerequisite.
Curious Droid has some mad collection
I have Pink Floyd Dark Side of The Moon & Deep Purple - Machine Head albums recorded with the SQ Quadraphonic system.
and do you have the sound system to play it?
Me too. DSoTM. But don't have the equip.
@@hobbybaschtler7896 will 5.1 surround do the job?
@@AshenTechDotCom I'm no expert, but I think it won't, because in quadraphonic the 4 channels have same range and same function, whereas in 5.1 the speakers have different functions. But I'm not sure, probably you can somehow do it.
I’ve got a vintage quad setup. Anyone selling their quad DSoTM copies?
Haha, love the ending! You can’t win with your dad! 😂
Anders what about it, is a quadraphonic release in your future?
BozowolfnHD Hehe, well it seems that is a really expensive method so I’m not sure ot would be feasible to sell. Would you pay close to 300 quid for a record? 😉
A valid point for sure because, truthfully I rarely buy physical music these days. Plus 300 quid/dollars/euro could buy a couple of nice synths or in my own case, several VSTs. The recording technique seems easy from other videos I've looked at. Though, it's a very small market segment on the consumer side.
maybe consider a 4 track quarter inch quad release instead
I assume releases that don't come with the decoder would be lower price.
I hope we see more of these releases as it's a fantastic experience being totally immersed in the music.
I love the art house shirt Matt, very appropriate. I'm now 63, for a time in the 70's and early 80's I had a business in Hammersmith configuring Quadraphonic listening rooms for people with loads of money and little taste. The problem with Quad was not only the competing formats but also the lack of media. People just got bored with listening to the few quad recordings that were in their particular format. What really made multi field systems worthwhile wasn't music at all but the rise of multi channel video. It always amazed me that you could get a Dolby 5.1 surround system to watch your favourite movie that sounded amazing but the picture was in crappy 720 by 480 on a relatively tiny screen. What was/is kind of sad is that very few music recordings take true advantage of a 5.1 or more system. Most recordings are nothing more than a stereo mix with a bit of field panning.
Good thing about a 5.1 setup is you can crank up the front center channel for movies like "Inception" where the audio "geniuses" have the dialog buried under a ton of "foreground music". That movie has the worst audio mix to ever win awards. Not having a 5.1 setup when I rented that movie, I had to watch it with subtitles because the stereo track's dialog was next to inaudible, and downmixing the 5.1 track to stereo resulted in the same buried dialog.
'i wouldn't even call it music...'
Best review ever 🤣
That was his most savage remark yet 😂
I remember my uncle gave me a quadraphonic decoder with accompanying stereo/amps/speakers back in the 80s. I set it all up and was rather disappointed not fully understanding what it all was about. The little woodgrain box with a stainless front plate and chrome dials had a several settings including "quad" "matrix" "fake quad" and "cross" I believe. It sat at "fake quad" most of the time just to make all the speakers output sound not knowing any better. One day I noticed a record at a second hand store that said quadraphonic. Out of curiosity I nab it, set the setting on the decoder to "quad" and play the record. I have no idea what the record was now, but I was quite impressed. Then I noticed all the records we already had that had such a quadraphonic label :-). So so long ago, and I was so young.
I have an uncle that I believe, to this day, still has his original quad amp and speaker setup and still uses it (or at least it's plugged in). My Dad's stereo has always been vastly superior to that uncle's (his brother), but Dad always did get a little jealous of that quad amp... even in the day when he has a far better surround setup.
Dark Side of the Moon was released in Quad wan't it?
@@utubehound69 I think it was *initially* a German only special thing. Just from a quick Google search at least.
I've watched a lot of your videos and I don't think I've ever quite seen you as giddily excited as the beginning of this video
oh my god the puppets killed it here. such a hilarious ending!!
This was really fascinating! I'm glad you had fun with it. Very interesting but then I like all your videos. Thank you very much!
The first and last time I heard quadraphonic was in 1973, Dark Side of the Moon. I've often thought of searching for a copy of that album and something to play it on. The end was pure gold
Dude if quadrophonic vinyl comes back I'm gonna be so happy. Wicked video as always!
I didn't know about this! I'm UK based and own a Buchla 200e (her instrument... well she used a 200 back in the day) . I love Suzanne Ciani, saw her live earlier in the year (first time in the UK)
I just had to look up the instrument, super crazy... It looks difficult to learn.
I loved the "acquiring the taste" montage at 7:41. Nice little touch to the video
My neighbour had a quadraphonic system in the 70s. He demonstrated it with the sound of a motorbike racing round and round the room. Was it John Lennon who said stereo was for boring people who only had two ears?
I don't like multi channel systems! I thing the only porpose of them is for demonstrations. I have a pionner multi channel receiver and have just bought an onkyo stereo receiver. And that's just because I have only two ears. lol
@@psrjbr You wouldn't be saying that if you heard Pink Floyd's DSotM in surround
@@canaconn2388 Deadass. It's not often done but when the attention to detail is there you get an amazing experience. Far better than Stereo.
Stereo is sufficient but it's definitely Not as good as a Good Surround Mix. Doesn't DSotM have a Quad mix as well ? I believe I heard about there being one back in the 70's that was impressive. I would imagine the 5.1 Surround mix is based on that. One day it would be nice to experience it in person.
@@HoudiniFontmeister I've never heard the quad mix myself, it's pretty mind blowing hearing the music "surround" you.
@@psrjbr and here I'm setting up a 5.2.4 Dolby Atmos system (technically 10 channels, one being a sub channel split in two) so I can listen to Atmos music on Tidal. Really though, mono is where it's at because you only have one brain.
Please, never stop making the outro skits. They're perfect!
This is the first time I can recall seeing The Moans (don't know their proper names) segment where the son comes off as the rational one and the dad comes off as the daft one. Still funny either way.
'The Moans' sounds like a brilliant name for the family.
That's what they're commonly know as. I say commonly - very few people know this.
"Come for the tech, stay for the Moans"
I thought they were called The Pedants.
I think his dad was screwing with him.
You need to get a quadraphonic copy of Dark Side of the Moon.
InDreamsYourMine - And breathe in the air.
I have a DVD bootleg of the quad tape, and it sounds amazing. I also have the SACD, so I’m not a pirate...
Indeed !
I am guessing that's the Alan Parson's quad mix "bootleg". Very nice!
Oh yes !!
Cars should adopt quadraphonic audio because they would be the perfect implementation of the format in my opinion. This would help bolster it’s appeal. With digital audio file formats like caf files being lossless and AAC lossy both able to render quad & stereo mix down files in a single file and decode them properly and instantly weather you are listening in quad or stereo. It is as simple as choosing the option at mixdown (render) in audio workstation software like Apple’s Logic Pro X, quad just seems like an obvious step in the right direction.
A few cars did back in the day...my 1977 Continental Mark V Cartier has the factory quad 8 track player.
CyKiK, Thank you for the explanation... AND making the audio files available! Being a geek, getting a board and hooking up a bunch of speakers is right up my alley. But, space... Using a predefined encoder already in my surround system is much more 'practical' I'll be trying the DTS Neo:6 and Dolby Prologic decoders.
. I get your comments about mixing engineers getting their head around mixing in discrete channels before going to an encoding format. When I dabbled in 5.1 mixing, I did 6 discrete channels and mixed to encoder. It was always a trial-&-error to get a final mixdown that sounded close to the original. I have been impressed with the limited new audio I have been hearing. It really seems like the modern mixing artists are doing things well.
. What a great project!
Hi I built my own SQ/QS decoder from the circuit diagrams published in Practical Wireless magazine here in the uk ( Oct 73 - Jan 74 ) . I purchased 2 records to play on
the system from the US as no shop in Oxford had any at the time . Tubular Bells - Mike Oldfield ( SQ ) and Music - Carole King ( QS ) . I killed my decoder after moving house
( Wrong Power Supply ! ) and have never got around to re-building it . I have not tried playing
the records through my Pioneer VSX-D810S , infact I have not played a record for years .
I don't expect that my turntable still works !
Thanks
Alan
ALAN KNIGHT any chance you have / can find scans of how to build one? I'm very interested!
Hi I have the original mags in binders but I am lazy ! . If you go to
www.americanradiohistory.com they have copies of lots of magazines
including these 4 ( I just checked ) as PDF files .
Good luck , its lots of Transistors , resistors and Op-Amps .
Perhaps there is a chip which will do it all to save you all that work ?
Alan
Here's an incredibly simple one: 1.bp.blogspot.com/-a99d5AHTZwk/Vmy8Yc_ywZI/AAAAAAAAF48/HwhhiOkFIx8/s1600/ETI-sq-decoder-lores.jpg
Do not substitute component values - they are critical for attaining the correct phase shifts.
There are also lots of old books that contain a SQ decoder circuit.
Any idea what transistors those are @@mfbfreak? Thanks for sharing this.
@@Jakeneverwins I don't know. Try searching for the title of the schematic, or for the watermark. I didn't check that out.
Generally, if nothing is indicated in the circuit, a TUN or TUP would be used (Transistor Universal NPN (PNP).
In this case, that could be BC547. Ideally go for the low noise version like the BC549. Of course there are many equivalents. The BC's are the most common type in Europe, but there are american 2n-types too and japanese 2sc's too.
I've got a bunch of my Dad's old CD4 disks, but no demodulator and no fancy stylus. Quad is so hard to research these days, so I'm real excited about your future video!!
The main difference between Buchla and Moog synths is one of approach not technology. Don Buchla was more interested in experimental music and his machines were full of odd controllers like capacitance pads. Bob Moog wanted to create an instrument applicable to any kind of music. The Moog had drum and ribbon controllers (think sliding your finger along a violin string) but it was mainly a keyboard instrument.
Hi Techmoan, your a Lucky guy to get a free copy then. I have had a fully Qudro set in the 70's with a CD4 < SQ aswell QS decoder. For the best results you need a pickup system with a shibata needle. Just give it a try. Because the frequenties to decode them are above 25 KHZ. And a pickup system with a Shibata needle goes up to 50 or 65 KHZ. Put 1 in you Denon EG a Ortofon Black. I'm sure you wont regret. Kind regards.
LINKS:
Available to buy from here: www.cykik.com/quad/ciani
Wired Article: www.wired.com/story/suzanne-ciani-live-quadraphonic
Interview with the Record Producer KamranV : synthesemontreal.com/2018/06/15/interview-with-kamranv/
Prosound News Article: www.prosoundnetwork.com/recording/the-unlikely-return-of-quadraphonic-vinyl
Suzanne Ciani:
Website: www.sevwave.com/bio
Documentary www.alifeinwaves.com
Live Concert: ruclips.net/video/Ol6So6dgQUM/видео.html
Presentation: ruclips.net/video/CFD72PXOmxA/видео.html
Techmoan how about renting a local Church Hall or something similar ? We do rent them every now and then for our kids birthday parties, they are not that expensive to rent, would probably recommend to make sure there are no other parties going at the same time as kids + Music can disturb your recording....
I meant for recording stuff like the Quad audio...
I like how it says this comment was posted 2 days ago but the video was only posted hours ago
Lacklustre Films: The clock in your Ford Capri is two days off.
I need this! :)
We had a late 70's ford thunderbird with a quad 8 track, which we always thought was the best thing about the car. Afew albums we really loved ,you might also enjoy. Ike and Tina Turner live at carnegie hall called what you hear is what you get . . . Very exciting excellent recorded performances at the top of their game. The ford quad demo was great too, with a varity of top acts from various genres. Santana had a great album out at the time as well. All were very engaging in the quadrophonic format. Happy hunting and thanks for the shows 😃
The album sounds pretty wicked, even in Stereo. I can only imagine what it sounds like with a quadraphonic setup.
Up until a few years ago I had a Pioneer QX-4000 quad receiver with 4 channel discrete amplification. Rated at 10 watts RMS per channel it would easily fill my small shop with sound. It also had a matrix selection for use with a 2 channel source.
Front to rear fader with separate front & rear balance control. Such a nice unit for being from the 70's. Should not have parted with it.
I now have a Kenwood Spectrum 88 system that I am figuring out. Some speaker hum that i'm dialing in on.
I'm using the main power amp to run some subs for my HT system & the rest to use as a 2nd system for an adjacent listening room.
I'll be keeping all of it long into the future.
Thanks for the tips & history!!
just wanted to drop a nice comment and say that I just love your videos! also I rather enjoy the puppet endings!
id also love to see more puppet endings im glad i see this video having a puppet ending
Okay, that ending skit was actually pretty funny.
Informative and entertaining as always, Techmoan.
I hope your videos renew interest in Quadraphonic sound like they did with cassettes. Bring on the Quad revival!!!!
Back in 1975 I saw the movie "Rollerball" at the Cinarama Dome Theater in Hollywood. The movie featuring "Quad Sound" and speakers (Infiniti) were placed in the isles for this propose. The movie was based on an extreme roller derby sport and as the action on screen went around the track, the sound would move between the speakers. I thought this movie might kickstart the Quad sound system but no one followed this formula. We would have to wait for the 5.1 systems in theaters much later. I had a few friends that had Quad systems but they were cheap units and there were only a few LP's available and compared to a quality stereo no one would choose quad.
Thanks again for the trip down memory lane.
In Soviet Russia the four corners listen to you!
this is happening now via internet, credit cards etc.
That is Soviet America nowadays.
...and Europe as well!
Four corners, five eyes... eep!
In Trump's America, too!
That moment when you're off work for a week and you think sod it I'll get up early and make the most of the day. You get a brew ,some toast, and pop open the laptop to see that Techmoan's uploaded another video... A fantastic start to the day in my opinion.
Regarding the Kanto vs Roth speakers sounding the same - I know Kanto is a Canadian company, they're in Coquitlam (part of the greater Vancouver area) and their stuff is designed there. I bought a Sub8 a few years back and was surprised at how fast it shipped to me in Edmonton - it came rail freight direct from Vancouver and shipping was basically free. Roth's other products don't resemble Kanto's enough to just be rebranded Kanto stuff.
It was weird when they started actually selling Kanto in great quantities here in Edmonton, I can go out and buy GOOD powered speakers at like five different stores around town instead of being offered the usual Best Buy dreck (Bose/Klipsch/Sony).
Nice to know that Kanto is Canadian!
I've had a turntable and preamp hooked up to my Onkyo 5.1 for the last 12+ years.
The Pro-Logic in the receiver decodes QS vinyl with incredible clarity and precision.
This is the way I originally head 'Bitches Brew', off the quad vinyl.
For a time (over 2 decades), there was a lot of QS/SQ vinyl clogging Goodwill stores.
Loved this! I believe Mike Oldfields first three albums were released on quad vinyl in a box set called 'boxed'...would be interesting to hear this played through your quad set-up.
For people with 4 ears.
My first Quad lesson was on a Buchla Model 100, at the University of Washington (mid 70’s). The quiz involved making a ping-pong ball sound and having it move from speaker to speaker. It was expected to get faster and quieter with each bounce. I don’ t now recall if the Model 100 had Buchla’s combination VCA/low-pass filter, which could have reduced the “ball’s” overtones along with it’s volume, as it proceeded around the room. But that’s an example of Don Buchla’s way of looking at sound. (Later models do include that VCA.). To hear a Model 100, check out Morton Subotnick’s “Silver Apples of the Moon” (the first modular-synthesizer record). Also, check out “Lost Voices of Hagia Sophia” by Cappella Romana, on Blue Ray, for a 5.1 representation of the great cathedral of Constantinople (aka Istanbul). Now, if the 5.1 “center” speaker were overhead and the four corners were balanced for quad ... hmm.
Day off work and a techmoan vid! That's my day made!
with the Muppets no less!!!
I just picked up Suzanne Ciani's Buchla concerts on vinyl two days ago. To see her mentioned here is really cool.
Thanks for the video Mat. I'm not a purist audiophile. Your setup worked great for you and that's what counts. My friend Paul has a 1970's quad vinyl setup and he demonstrated it once with the famous Pink Floyd LP Dark Side Of The Moon. The record jacket had an explanation of how SQ worked. I guess there are photos of it on the internet or I can ask Paul if he can photogtaph them for you. Best wishes.
There were loads of quad recording releases, but that's a story for another day.
Don't quote me, but I think Dark Side of the Moon was recorded with a different system from the Sansui one mentioned in the video. The confusingly named SQ and QS were rival systems. One of them had a problem with encoding centre rear (or maybe both of them did) so that meant that area had to be avoided when mixing/panning each instrument.
I know DSOTM has at the very least been released in SQ. I have a vinyl rip on my PC somewhere, you can torrent it and try it. All those ping pong effects are marvellous in quadraphonic sound!
You can also use Adobe Audition and some script to convert 5.1 audio to either SQ or QS - check the quadraphonicquad forums for those scripts.
LimaVictor, I’ve just up quad this week in my flat and I’ve been trying to rind the quad version of dark side. Would you mind sending me that? I’d be very grateful.
The torrent might be dead (they have all been dying for a while) but you can try this one: rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3755202
Click 'Скачать раздачу по magnet-ссылке · 861.6 MB"
Search 'dark side of the moon quadraphonic torrent' or something to find more torrents.
Always be careful to not get a computer STD from funky russian torrent sites ;)
Try it first, if all else fails, send me a private message via gmail or google plus or whatever can be found on my profile.
I remember hearing Chicago's wishing you were here in quadraphonic in the 70's ,the song begins with ocean waves and in quad it sounded as if you were standing in the water about say 10 feet from the shore line, you could hear the waves coming at you on the front speakers then pass you and then breaking on the shoreline on the rear speakers behind you. Also each instrument came out of it's own speaker ,cool stuff.
I remember reading that the shibata stylus was created for quadrophonic records as regular styli couldn’t pick up enough detail in the higher frequencies where the rear channel information was encoded. So, you might have even more luck with your Denon T/T if that uses a shibata. Also, if your AV amplifier has analogue inputs, you should be able to get a quad system running through your existing surround setup. You probably already know all of this given the amount of research you usually do for your videos, but I thought I’d mention, just in case :)
Well, the Shibata stylus was only used for RCA's/JVC's CD-4 system (which was a PITA to get working). SQ/QS records could be played back using any standard stereo cartridge and stylus as the rear channels are cleverly mixed into the fronts through phase shifting and inversion. Of course, this method yielded poor separation upon decoding and required logic decoders.
And another thing, I'm not sure about his Denon. Not only do the cartridge and stylus have to be CD-4 capable, the capacitance of the tonearm wires and RCA cables has to be taken into consideration too. No wonder CD-4 was the first system to go during the Quad War.
My understanding is that the Shibata was developed for CD-4 because the carrier signal for the rear channels was at too high a frequency for any standard elliptical stylus to pick up (it is at 30Khz). It had nothing to do with the music/audible frequencies.
@@mescko Yup, you're exactly right. The rear channel information is FM modulated with frequencies going as high as 45KHz.
Grew up with a quad system. Dual quad record changer and fisher quadraphonic reciever. Four wood tower speakers and a whole lot of quality music.
You really should just integrate quadraphonic to your current 5.1 setup. If you have an analog 5.1 input on your Marantz, plug in your CD-4 demodulator or QS/SQ decoder and ignore the center and sub inputs.
Seems like you just need another dedicated stereo amp to use on your subs and a switch box to flip it back to 5.1 for movie sound tracks. I don't know what receiver you're running, but my Pioneers don't care if I turn the subwoofer feature in the menus on or off. The mains still seemingly play all of the mains frequencies. I think the on/off has more to due with how it handles the delays while decoding. I'm of the belief that mine hits the .1 channel just a touch later than the mains so you can't localize the sub as easily.
So... You should be able to set that up on a pretty simple RCA cable switcher and not have to mess with amp settings all the time to go between quad and 5.1, should you desire. Basically you'd just be setting your subs to stereo L/R or mono .1 channel.
Then again, this may all vary wildly by manufacturer and system. That's just how it seems my stuff works.
Thanks for all the tech, both old and new. But I still think your sense of humor shown through the puppets is your best feature .
I think they would have a much better chance to revive quadraphonic if they recorded a live studio performance with many instruments. Electronic music from a box is more like.. standing in a discotheque.
Electronic music can give you a much more interesting and unique experience that just a regular music performance though. It can create an entire world and all kinds of sensations and perspectives, and things can move around and so on. It's really unconstrained, so if you are trying to show off the quad audio it's gonna be way more impressive.
A live studio performance is really not gonna be any better than stereo, other than maybe more accurately saying "that dude was standing over there".
One very cool way to demo this is to video yourself (using a stereo mic) walking around the room while it is playing!
Maybe I'm just sleep deprived... But the sketch at the end had me on the floor. Well played.
Maybe I am sleep deprived as well, as that brought memories of my first car stereo upgrade. Massive speakers, pinoeer headunit and amp, buttoned her up, went with my mate for a test drive, we were so badass untill the woman in the drivethrough asked me to roll down my window :))
Been waiting for a video on quadrophonic records! Nice!
Hahaha as a Capri owner and enthusiast i had to laugh! We have just done a 50th anniversary car show on Sunday and i bet this conversation came up somewhere!
I remember having read an article in "Stereo Review" back in the early-to-mid 1970s about how you could get a reasonable facsimile of Quadrophonic decoding by simply adding a 3rd (rear) speaker whose leads you connected to the "hot" speaker outputs of the L and R speaker outputs on your two-channel amplifier. The idea is that the third (rear) speaker -- which you would place behind you -- played the "difference" signal between the two stereo channels. I tried it out, and the results were astonishingly good. The first vinyl record I tried it with was the eponymous "Emerson, Lake, and Palmer" album. In the final track, "Lucky Man," there's a great monosynth solo at the end of the track, and heard through this three speaker arrangement the synth sound seems to arch up over your head and go behind you. Whew! You may want to try this sometime. Even with a cheap 3rd speaker it's amazing.
Looking forward to your view of the Toshiba SB-404S, I've had and used one for years (been in storage now for the same amount of years or so). Bought it for the four blue VU meters :D And I've bought every quad vinyl I've come across. And indeed: a Dolby prologic/digital decoder also gives quite an approximation.
I've got one too..
Quad needs to become a thing for real.
I had an 80s quadrophonic amplifier it was high quality I wish I kept it now..also I wish I kept my commodore 64.
The CD4 system required a shibata stylus to extend response up to 70khz (not required for playback) where the two rear channels were FM encoded (over 20 -45 khz). Not sure which system was better? There were other systems but these two were most successful.
We had quadraphonic FM radio stations in Houston, Texas back in the early 70s.
VWestlife Fascinating. I never knew that. I love “vanity” call letters.
Neat! Never knew it really existed, I drove cars for a dealer around 2005 and a model of car had a 4.1 radio. I found a demo disc somewhere to play in it, and I thought that was "new". Must have been cool back in the 70's. So many interesting formats available.
VWestlife I once saw one with a built-in CB radio. Maybe it was a Cadillac.
I love this channel so much. Thank you Mat!
Nice to see the quad decoder redone in a modern DSP :)
We have seen the 50's diner setup in context with the rest of the room. THE 4TH WALL HAS BEEN BROKEN, THE ILLUSION IS SHATTERED!
Also that rip at the end regarding the puppets. Nice!
Ah, I should look up that woman - judging from the samples you provided in listening that album and her work may well be something I'd enjoy. I'd imagine in quad it would be quite the experience, the fact its from vinyl being an added bonus.
Great video Mat, as always. :D
Yes, the old Version of Cuba Baion as the background music for the muppets ❤️
In the 70's my dad had a Sansui Quad reciever,with built in 250w per channel preamp.
Our local radio station WDIZ/100.3 in Orlando,Fl. broadcast in quad back then.
It was awesome!!
Pink Floyd,Mike Oldfield,Jethro Tull,Deep Purple,Rush,and many others were often Rocked out at highest possible volume when ever my folks weren't home and my friends came over.
$227 each..wow is was expecting $500+
Benjamin Clayton remember sales tax and sipping is added ...
Sales tax is usually only added in-state (though you're supposed to pay it anyway).
dandanthetaximan Look at the pinned comment. The music itself is freely available (yea, it seems to be the quad master.) You just can't get it physically without the docoder.
Awesome. So many examples of technology for audio that was never embraced by the masses that was so superior and advanced.
Love the puppets at the end too!
I shall not sleep until I can get octophonic sound from a cylinder phonograph.
In 8K! Ha ha!
Video mate.
Fascinating stuff. Ciani performed at the BBC Proms this year at the Albert Hall. Prom 13 on 23 July was called "Pioneers of Sound" and featured pieces by Daphne Oram and Delia Derbyshire. Ciani played "Improvisation on Four Sequences" live, from a small platform in the middle of the floor of the hall, so presumably the sound came from all around. The BBC HD transmission on BBC 4 was in 5.1, but I don't have a decoder. Might have to upgrade my system. It was quite impressive even in stereo. The effect in the hall must have been stunning. Looks like she used the same setup as the live concert you linked to.
Back in the 70s, my dad, who was a classical musician, had a Rotel tuner/amp with Quadrophonic capability. I can't remember which system it used, but playing quad LPs was impressive. He had a number of Deutsche Gramphon that I remember but I have no idea where it all went. Last time I saw the Rotel it no longer worked.
I went to a live quadraphonic performance of Suzanne Ciani, she's very funny. It was a double bill with Midori Takada.
I remember in the early '70's there were a lot of loud concerts, but the Quadraphonic ELP concert in San Antonio was the loudest. Their sound designer, Bill Hough, assembled a 28,000-watt surround sound system, controlled by a three-tiered mixing desk. (The three mixing boards, by themselves, weighed 285 pounds.) If you could put up with a little echo, a little delay, you were getting the same concussive sound waves in any part of the venue. You could actually feel your body vibrating to the music sound waves. I didn't have 100% hearing for several days after!
I bought this album on iTunes for $5.00 played it thought my Denon DSP and it played in Quad. Saved $222.00
Back in the 80s a friend of mine inherited his brother's old stereo system when he upgraded. It was a quad rig with a joystick that let you sweep the music around the room to your liking. He only had a couple quad albums and for the life of me I can't recall which they were but we had a lot of fun with it.
Will that work with my vintage pioneer quad table and quad decoder? My quad table has a quad cart that has 2 stylus. I only have a handful of quad records since they didnt make a whole lot but piper at the gates of dawn sounds amazing in true quad. I hope quad comes back since I like it better than 5.1.
You don't need a 'quad cart' to play this record back. Those were used for RCA's/JVC's CD-4 system which had a totally different approach to getting four channels on a record. This record is encoded using Sansui's QS system, which can be played back using any stereo cartridge and stylus. The only thing is, your receiver needs either a QS or Regular Matrix (RM) setting to decode it faithfully.
Ahh, gotcha! I am definitely interested if they were to get a more vast selection. I bought into the quad tech a long time ago expecting it to become mainstream but unfortunately it different. I still have that original cart that has the 2 sylus.
What a coincidence. I was watching this channel last night and I’ve just set up quad in my house this week. Not because I like it. I just have two old hifi amps and four speakers and wanted surround.
Thank you so much for reviewing and giving insight into this stellar quad vinyl release! I've mixed and released 4 albums now in quad (digital formats) and it's great to see more and more people getting into quad and multichannel music! For more on Symbion Project and Kodomo quad digital releases, visit here: quadaudio.bandcamp.com/
Keep up the amazing work and love your sense of humor. I am a big fan of yours!
2:19 The double space between “Dear” and “Mat from Techmoan’ smells like a form letter to me.
A Techmoan video about Quadraphonic sound? God I love this channel.
Wait... If they don't normally send these out of the US, why were power adapters included?
It's a pretty safe assumption that even if they don't ship themselves, that at least a few of them would end up in other countries, and including a slightly better power supply was worth the while. At $200+ they aren't penny pinching.
It's a multi-standard power supply, exactly the same one will work in the USA with the appropriate pin plate fitted.
They have enclosed a generic power supply that happened to be multi region. Maybe they did that for techmoan being in the UK or maybe that's just what they ship. Does it really matter??
Colin Johnston Did I say it mattered? I found it unusual is all, and decided to say something about it.
@@AngelValis it mattered enough to say something about it and I just wondered who the fuck cares?
Your house is slowly turning into a (hifi) Museum. I love it!
Suzanne was at the BBC Proms this year, if you watched it on BBC4HD it was broadcast in Dolby Digital. She sounded amazing too 😀 sounds were flying all round my living room, was a great experience 😁 Denon receiver and 5 Mission speakers and sub btw 😉
Great video as always ❤️
Possibly the best outro yet! Did make me chuckle!
From the comments it looks like you should have reviewed the Ford Capri. I never got to hear Quad except perhaps in the cinima. Pink Floyd live at Pompei for example but look how far we have come. We now have very expensive mono from the Apple HomePod and Google Home.
Yea because everyone listens to music through thier home assistant eh? Btw home assistants are meant to be connected to hifi to playback music..
Qview Q Those are not playback devices. They are fully operational implementations of the Big Brother surveillance screens from the 1984 book. And now Britain is leaving Eurasia and joining the US to create the predicted geopolitical configuration.
Doesn't bother me too much, since it means I'm the guy with the awesome hifi that people want to come over and listen to.
Colin, they are which is why the Amazon one comes in different flavors. Personally, I got the dot and ran it through a proper sound output device. Of course, you're still only at streaming quality.
It’s really awesome to be able to see a quadrophonic record in 2018! I’ve always wanted to hear what one sounded like and it was quite interesting to hear that on the video
Silly puppet. You wouldn't get the drums in a Capri through the doors. You'd lift the tailgate! ;)
mistie710 Or just use small bongos!
A lot of people have shaken their maracas in the back of a Ford Capri.
I was in a student band in the late 90s. Our drummer had a terrible mk2 Capri. It had the smallest engine you could get and was a horrid beige colour apart from the rust. The only cassette he had was the Faces and we'd blast it out of the (one?) speaker on the way to band practice. You'd never had thought a full kit would fit but it actually did. Great times.
Hi Mat, interesting as always. You might know about the quadraphonicquad web site, very active in all forms of surrounded sound (QS, SQ cd-4 matrix-Hj etc) There are even scripts to decode SQ and QS using Adobe audition, great fun! Once again thanks for this
I think there are some VSTs to decode those as well, but iirc those were Dolby ProLogic ones (you can set it to music mode though).
Kevin Robinson, what's the site?
D Judson it's www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/index.php odd name I know!
@@kevinrobinson676 Thanks
My dad did buy in the 1980s a Kenwood KR-9940 and a Panasonic SL770 turntable with 4 Yamaha NS690 speakers and as far I can remember, we have never been able to make this work in quadraphonic mode. I will always remember that big Kenwood receiver with VU meters and its colors... We still have a pair of the NS690 playing as of this day but the Kenwood receiver had an issue for a long time and we never found anybody who could fix it, I should have just kept it instead of trowing it in the trash back then...
7:46 - Me in my bed at night