Phil Norman was by far the greatest UK contender ever. One I remember the most is the Duel with Shadow. The beating he took - anyone else would have fallen after one hit
Still remember it to this day. Nearly wanted to cry for the big man. Some absolute randomer from GB taking on a former pro athlete in sport and nearly beating him bar a slip!
Two Scoops was the best ever. He made that look EASY. I never understood why this guy did not get any endorsement deal. If ever a guy that deserved millions, in my opinion, it was 2 scoops.
I remember this one the best, and these 2 were the fastest ever, 2scoops was slightly quicker up to the net but Phil was quicker on the net climb, however Phil rushed at the escalator when he had 1 more second in hand, if he just paused for half a second he would have won, shame but good try, this was the real final that year, both of them, great athletes, gave the gladiators the runaround.
Its technique in my opinion. You need some momentum coming off the beam, just jumping off dead weight you lose momentum and the legs are suddenly stopped and the fatigue becomes more intense.
I was abut 10 when this happened, I'm 39 now and still discussing the hurt and shock at this. I was devastated and re-watching it just now on hearing it's coming back, I was shouting at my laptop!!!!
Felt for Phil here. Only person to run scoops close, he looked drained at the end. Most of the games were made for scoops, fast on his toes, he struggled on things like duel and tilt wherre strength was key.
Not even "run close" - Phil was KILLING Scoops! You hated to see him lose that way. It's like...he didn't deserve to lose, you know? Or at least not like that.
You could sense the difference between John Sachs and Mike Adamle styles. Mike was so used to watching the Eliminator finish line just metres from his post and letting Zonk, Lisa, or Nitro interview the winner. He usually felt the crowd in his call.
Scoops ran this one at 50 seconds, which at the time was the record, which he later broke a few years later. I think Phil just came out of the gate too hard that his legs were shot by the time he hit the beam, and then really had nothing left at the travelator. Phil needed to knock a second or two off the pace, but two seconds off the pace would've been enough for Scoops to catch him. Anyway, if you set a course record, I don't call the win "lucky."
If you look at some of Berry's eliminators from American Gladiators (specifically semi-final and final), you'll understand why the word "lucky" is used. They both had the clear ability to set a course record, and they both knew each other's reputation to be able to do so. It just so happened that one made a mistake, while the other didn't. That's where luck in sports comes into play, and is why sports betting doesn't always see the favorite win.
@@wschmrdr Saying "it just so happened that one made a mistake" is not the right way to look at it. These guys stumbled at the end because they were running the Eliminators at unsustainably fast paces. They were compelled to run that fast because they knew they had no margin for error. When you put pressure on opponents, you can force the outcome in your favor. Also, in general, you can always say the winner was lucky that the loser didn't perform better. Every winner is lucky in that regard that it's almost not even worth bringing up unless the loser makes an egregious, mind-blowing error.
@@mrmacross With two world-class athletes (no pun is intended), that's going to happen. And how many times in any sort of competition, even if it's something non-physical like chess, does the outcome come down to a single error, regardless of how egregious or minute you may believe it to be? I only mention that Berry was lucky because it was the third time in his competition history, counting his American Gladiators tournament, that he was able to benefit from his opponent's mistake, even thought he himself made mistakes in the first two.
@@wschmrdr In the Phil Norman and Sean Goodwin cases, both Norman and Goodwin were absolutely spent by the time they got to the Travelator. So yeah, you could say if both those guys had more stamina then Scoops would've lost. But they were running like hell because they knew how fast Scoops was at the Eliminator and their head starts weren't that big to begin with. What was the mistake Norman and Goodwin made? I can't say they made one. You could say they could've paced themselves a bit more, but they probably would've lost if they paced themselves. They just came across a guy who was better at the Eliminator those days. The Mark Muse final was just unlucky for Muse, though even if the ref didn't redirect him I'm not sure Muse would've won.
@@mrmacross Muse had a shot on the treadmill after Berry went down, but stepped on the side (which is why it stopped) and so was ordered a failed attempt; the wall was not the reason he lost. Where the luck really came, though, was the previous event of the Joust, where Berry got 10 and Muse got blanked (despite the opposite happening to each in the previous round). Even in Berry's charity match in the UK, the same luckiness happened on Duel where he got 10 and the other got blanked, otherwise he would have been out. As for the Goodwin one, Berry used his head after seeing Goodwin go down and just went up to the red line before basically giving up to take the free pass. Remember, in the US you were to make 2 bona fide attempts to at least the red line before you could go up the side (a carry-over from when the treadmill was at the beginning and 3 attempts was a sort of "mercy rule" because the race was usually over by then). Luck and strategy there. But one thing that really helped Berry, if anything, was a sort of "warm-up" match in the US vs. Cliff Miller (season 4 champ) and Mark Ortega (season 3 champ), and he was similarly lucky to the Muse match. I don't know if Norman and Klenk were afforded the same opportunity (Tyler wasn't because she didn't win season 5; Peggy Odita did), and that could have played in as well.
Berry was more athletic so it was always a doddle for him, he had fantastic leg power. Norman had it but the frenetic pace he was going caused the mistake. He knew he couldn't make one mistake.
0:48 Wesley clearly cheated there and didnt even start at the beginning of the balance beam. Ive seen the ref's blow them to start from the beginning of the beam which would have made the difference for phil to win.
@@patrickclark6694 Not necessarily. Even if he took a beat, he may not have made it; see Berry's semi-final from American Gladiators vs. Mark Muse, where Muse did exactly what you suggested and couldn't make it (though given the treadmill stopped, that means he stepped on the side), and ironically Berry made the same mistake you state that Norman did.
But like Carlton Fluker's record from season 4 of American Gladiators, lost in the fact that an insurmountable head start caused him to not move on, so it's not really remembered.
I doubt Phil stumbled due to fitness as opposed to nerves. If only he controlled them. Check out time he went from start to balance beam. No one went faster in history of Gladiators. Cargo net... wtf... Without stupid stumble. 2/3 times Berry is beat. Scream at the camera all you want, mate.
+Chris Nata He did not need one. Besides, Kyler Storm was far better, even though Two Scoops won the competition (only because Kyler was not in the finals). Plus, Pat Csizmazia and Mark Ortega (even though he never competed in IG) were also superior to Two Scoops.
@@NickCMedia he would have but Kyler blew it on the travellator against Paul Field in the other IG Semi Final he took advantage of Paul falling off the beam but the travellator happened
Phil Norman was by far the greatest UK contender ever. One I remember the most is the Duel with Shadow. The beating he took - anyone else would have fallen after one hit
Best 2 contenders ever
How often do you remember a contestant on any game show? Phil Norman was the only one for me. I was so gutted as a kid when he slipped.
Still remember it to this day. Nearly wanted to cry for the big man. Some absolute randomer from GB taking on a former pro athlete in sport and nearly beating him bar a slip!
I love the look on his wife's face. So supportive.
Hahaha
That was Phils mom believe it or not 😂 Phil is still training to this day he on Facebook
Phil Norman is a great martial artist and humble guy, best contender ever :)
Wrong! Wesley never lost, Phil lost.
Phil still teaches martial arts now. He teaches my best friend in poole
I think this should have been the Grand Final.
Two Scoops was the best ever. He made that look EASY. I never understood why this guy did not get any endorsement deal. If ever a guy that deserved millions, in my opinion, it was 2 scoops.
Indeed! He is the only guy in Gladiator history that never took an L.
@AdrianYoungs81
So would Kyler Storm and Pat Csizmazia.
@AdrianYoungs81
Paul got lucky. Kyler was just unfortunate that time.
Wesley ended up in prison sadly
He was! But Phil beat himself here...
Destiny.
I remember this one the best, and these 2 were the fastest ever, 2scoops was slightly quicker up to the net but Phil was quicker on the net climb, however Phil rushed at the escalator when he had 1 more second in hand, if he just paused for half a second he would have won, shame but good try, this was the real final that year, both of them, great athletes, gave the gladiators the runaround.
Phil norman wesley Berry paul field absolute legends fairplay awesome
Greatest finish in Gladiators' history.
Mark Ortega Vs Bam Bam Season 3 grand championship in American Gladiators.
I have seen so many contestants fail at the travelator because, with their opponent hot on their heals, they don't take a second to prep for it.
Its technique in my opinion. You need some momentum coming off the beam, just jumping off dead weight you lose momentum and the legs are suddenly stopped and the fatigue becomes more intense.
I was abut 10 when this happened, I'm 39 now and still discussing the hurt and shock at this. I was devastated and re-watching it just now on hearing it's coming back, I was shouting at my laptop!!!!
I was crying as a little kid! You would have thought Two Scoops was my dad - I was THAT heartbroken until the end.
@@jenniferdaniels2413 team Phil here from the Uk, always described him as the cool Karate guy when I was a kid.
Felt for Phil here. Only person to run scoops close, he looked drained at the end. Most of the games were made for scoops, fast on his toes, he struggled on things like duel and tilt wherre strength was key.
Not even "run close" - Phil was KILLING Scoops! You hated to see him lose that way. It's like...he didn't deserve to lose, you know? Or at least not like that.
The best eliminator ever, you’ll never see a most intense one
Phil looking like the lead singer of the darkness. What a legend. Two scoops also
Phil what a legend for kids in the 90s.
You could sense the difference between John Sachs and Mike Adamle styles. Mike was so used to watching the Eliminator finish line just metres from his post and letting Zonk, Lisa, or Nitro interview the winner. He usually felt the crowd in his call.
Scoops ran this one at 50 seconds, which at the time was the record, which he later broke a few years later. I think Phil just came out of the gate too hard that his legs were shot by the time he hit the beam, and then really had nothing left at the travelator. Phil needed to knock a second or two off the pace, but two seconds off the pace would've been enough for Scoops to catch him.
Anyway, if you set a course record, I don't call the win "lucky."
If you look at some of Berry's eliminators from American Gladiators (specifically semi-final and final), you'll understand why the word "lucky" is used. They both had the clear ability to set a course record, and they both knew each other's reputation to be able to do so. It just so happened that one made a mistake, while the other didn't. That's where luck in sports comes into play, and is why sports betting doesn't always see the favorite win.
@@wschmrdr Saying "it just so happened that one made a mistake" is not the right way to look at it. These guys stumbled at the end because they were running the Eliminators at unsustainably fast paces. They were compelled to run that fast because they knew they had no margin for error. When you put pressure on opponents, you can force the outcome in your favor.
Also, in general, you can always say the winner was lucky that the loser didn't perform better. Every winner is lucky in that regard that it's almost not even worth bringing up unless the loser makes an egregious, mind-blowing error.
@@mrmacross With two world-class athletes (no pun is intended), that's going to happen. And how many times in any sort of competition, even if it's something non-physical like chess, does the outcome come down to a single error, regardless of how egregious or minute you may believe it to be?
I only mention that Berry was lucky because it was the third time in his competition history, counting his American Gladiators tournament, that he was able to benefit from his opponent's mistake, even thought he himself made mistakes in the first two.
@@wschmrdr In the Phil Norman and Sean Goodwin cases, both Norman and Goodwin were absolutely spent by the time they got to the Travelator. So yeah, you could say if both those guys had more stamina then Scoops would've lost. But they were running like hell because they knew how fast Scoops was at the Eliminator and their head starts weren't that big to begin with. What was the mistake Norman and Goodwin made? I can't say they made one. You could say they could've paced themselves a bit more, but they probably would've lost if they paced themselves. They just came across a guy who was better at the Eliminator those days.
The Mark Muse final was just unlucky for Muse, though even if the ref didn't redirect him I'm not sure Muse would've won.
@@mrmacross Muse had a shot on the treadmill after Berry went down, but stepped on the side (which is why it stopped) and so was ordered a failed attempt; the wall was not the reason he lost. Where the luck really came, though, was the previous event of the Joust, where Berry got 10 and Muse got blanked (despite the opposite happening to each in the previous round). Even in Berry's charity match in the UK, the same luckiness happened on Duel where he got 10 and the other got blanked, otherwise he would have been out.
As for the Goodwin one, Berry used his head after seeing Goodwin go down and just went up to the red line before basically giving up to take the free pass. Remember, in the US you were to make 2 bona fide attempts to at least the red line before you could go up the side (a carry-over from when the treadmill was at the beginning and 3 attempts was a sort of "mercy rule" because the race was usually over by then). Luck and strategy there.
But one thing that really helped Berry, if anything, was a sort of "warm-up" match in the US vs. Cliff Miller (season 4 champ) and Mark Ortega (season 3 champ), and he was similarly lucky to the Muse match. I don't know if Norman and Klenk were afforded the same opportunity (Tyler wasn't because she didn't win season 5; Peggy Odita did), and that could have played in as well.
I've watched this event dozens of times, and the travelator was always easier for the chasing opponent
Terror of being caught can cause you to get caught.
@@bewilderedbrit8928 Indeed.
Berry was more athletic so it was always a doddle for him, he had fantastic leg power. Norman had it but the frenetic pace he was going caused the mistake. He knew he couldn't make one mistake.
Even though I’m British, I remember watching this and willing 2 scoops to win
Traitor.
🐐 v 🐐
Judging by the look on Phil’s mums face, she’s still not talking to him
The travellator is the graveyard of the eliminator
6000%
This is back when television was real television
TWO BEST CONTENDERS!!!!!
I remember this "Two Scoops"
Lucky eliminator #3 (after Muse and Goodwin).
Every single time i watch this i still believe Phil wont stumble 😢
0:48 Wesley clearly cheated there and didnt even start at the beginning of the balance beam. Ive seen the ref's blow them to start from the beginning of the beam which would have made the difference for phil to win.
Probably why the yellow markers were later added, and was likely when that sort of call would have happened.
@@wschmrdr Yes but do you agree that would have made a huge difference, phil would of had time to compose himself and have enough power to win it.
@@patrickclark6694 Not necessarily. Even if he took a beat, he may not have made it; see Berry's semi-final from American Gladiators vs. Mark Muse, where Muse did exactly what you suggested and couldn't make it (though given the treadmill stopped, that means he stepped on the side), and ironically Berry made the same mistake you state that Norman did.
Tbf Phil cheated and gave himself a couple extra seconds in the beginning when he jumped the refs whistle meant for him.
So Phil's legs wouldn't have given out twice if Wesley may or may not have started ahead of the beam? Ho-kay.
Phil bottled it after the zipline. Looked like he jumped the whistle too - edit, he didnt. Video is slightly out of sync compared to others
Everyone jumps the whistle!
Wesley actually didn't break Phil's record here, Mark Skipper already did that in the 1994 UK series quater final.
But like Carlton Fluker's record from season 4 of American Gladiators, lost in the fact that an insurmountable head start caused him to not move on, so it's not really remembered.
He did absolutely destroy that Gauntlet event in the grand final tho
Phil jumped the whistle, didn't he?
Wesley just had more stamina!
He didn't really. If not for Phil stumbling, he would have beat him
Wesley was the winner, no excuse, man
the most complete competitor, and won every decision he disputed
@@jimbo1858 Its not called the travelator for no reason bro 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I thik the reason Phil lost was because he wasn't wearing his lucky blue colours!!!!!!! ;*(
I thought they were cheering for the black guy.
50 SECONDS
I doubt Phil stumbled due to fitness as opposed to nerves. If only he controlled them. Check out time he went from start to balance beam. No one went faster in history of Gladiators. Cargo net... wtf... Without stupid stumble. 2/3 times Berry is beat. Scream at the camera all you want, mate.
+Chris Nata
He did not need one. Besides, Kyler Storm was far better, even though Two Scoops won the competition (only because Kyler was not in the finals).
Plus, Pat Csizmazia and Mark Ortega (even though he never competed in IG) were also superior to Two Scoops.
TVLubber Scoops beat Kyler tho!
Michael Moore
Not in the finals.
Two Scoops beat Kyler, beat Phil, and all others, simply. The best of all time
@@Redfootstuff
Not in the finals. Kyler Storm would have improved himself from his previous bout with Two Scoops.
@@NickCMedia he would have but Kyler blew it on the travellator against Paul Field in the other IG Semi Final he took advantage of Paul falling off the beam but the travellator happened