I surprised it took so long for the US to reconsider the side-shift with vertical lift stabilizers. The only advantages to centered backhoe with side lift stabilizers are for off-road areas where conditions might be softer grounds and digging on a slope/hill.
My dad had both tractors. You can still level the side shift machine with the vertical stabilizers when digging across a slope. My dad's Massey Ferguson with side shift backhoe was from the early 50s. But he didn't like the control so he didn't use it as much as he used his John Deere with the joysticks. His John Deere was also bigger and stronger and dug deeper. He eventually sold the side shift off of the MF.
@@TF856 If the ground isn't soft. If one side of the vertical stabilizer lift sinks in then it could tilt(I'm referring if you're digging against the grain of the slope). The centered backhoe's stabilizers(which the pads can be folded upside down) are far more suited for digging on slope even if the surface soil is soft(like after heavy rains).
My dad had both. His John Deere had center swing and his Massey Ferguson had side shift. He usually preferred his John Deere whenever possible. And whenever possible he kept his tractor turned at an angle so he didn't have to look through the boom. Of course he always kept his front tires turned at an opposite angle so he can still move the tractor forward with the boom.
I love the mechanical parallel linkage on that one that has the material handling package on it. I wish every loader had that! I ran big loaders for many years and I hated the z bar linkage on those! I also can't stand the linkage on that other tlb on the other side because that standard linkage is always fighting what I'm trying to do! I'm very glad my dad's John Deere had the parallel linkage, because his Massey Ferguson didn't! I've recently noticed that some people called it the self-leveling linkage which is pure BS cuz it never automatically levels itself. It does automatically stay at whatever angle you set it at while it goes up and down. Only the big industrial loaders have the self-leveling mechanism, and you can turn it off when you want to. I also love the hydraulic parallel linkage on the telehandlers.
I owned a Case 580 for years with extendahoe. This 100% depends on what you're doing. For how I used mine, I needed the wide stance of the center pivot and those down riggers. If you're digging a small pond, that side swing is going to be all over the place when swinging the hoe
you can damage the front cylinder on the center pivot one as well... even easier as it is sticking out further and in confined spaces it might make a bigger difference
I've been around construction on the west coast for about 60 years and I never heard them called stab legs or stab posts. What part of the country is that term from? I've only heard them called stabilizers or outriggers. Sideshift backhoes have been in this country at least since the 50s. It's sad that caterpillar took this long to catch up 😆😃 Whoever would have thought that Massey Ferguson would be at least 6 decades ahead of caterpillar on anything. 😁😆
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The guy on the side shift is not an operator.😃😆😁 He would have lined up the tractor better with the beam. Besides it's easier and faster just to lift up the back of the tractor and move it over with the boom.
I surprised it took so long for the US to reconsider the side-shift with vertical lift stabilizers. The only advantages to centered backhoe with side lift stabilizers are for off-road areas where conditions might be softer grounds and digging on a slope/hill.
My dad had both tractors.
You can still level the side shift machine with the vertical stabilizers when digging across a slope.
My dad's Massey Ferguson with side shift backhoe was from the early 50s. But he didn't like the control so he didn't use it as much as he used his John Deere with the joysticks. His John Deere was also bigger and stronger and dug deeper.
He eventually sold the side shift off of the MF.
@@TF856 If the ground isn't soft. If one side of the vertical stabilizer lift sinks in then it could tilt(I'm referring if you're digging against the grain of the slope). The centered backhoe's stabilizers(which the pads can be folded upside down) are far more suited for digging on slope even if the surface soil is soft(like after heavy rains).
My dad had both. His John Deere had center swing and his Massey Ferguson had side shift.
He usually preferred his John Deere whenever possible.
And whenever possible he kept his tractor turned at an angle so he didn't have to look through the boom.
Of course he always kept his front tires turned at an opposite angle so he can still move the tractor forward with the boom.
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I love the mechanical parallel linkage on that one that has the material handling package on it.
I wish every loader had that!
I ran big loaders for many years and I hated the z bar linkage on those!
I also can't stand the linkage on that other tlb on the other side because that standard linkage is always fighting what I'm trying to do!
I'm very glad my dad's John Deere had the parallel linkage, because his Massey Ferguson didn't!
I've recently noticed that some people called it the self-leveling linkage which is pure BS cuz it never automatically levels itself. It does automatically stay at whatever angle you set it at while it goes up and down.
Only the big industrial loaders have the self-leveling mechanism, and you can turn it off when you want to.
I also love the hydraulic parallel linkage on the telehandlers.
I owned a Case 580 for years with extendahoe. This 100% depends on what you're doing. For how I used mine, I needed the wide stance of the center pivot and those down riggers. If you're digging a small pond, that side swing is going to be all over the place when swinging the hoe
I don’t like the Stick, Extendable in the Side Shift. In the center pivot are much better for thump too
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Only thing i dont like about the sideshift is that the front Cylinders for the bucket tilt can get damaged when backscraping with the front bucket
you can damage the front cylinder on the center pivot one as well... even easier as it is sticking out further and in confined spaces it might make a bigger difference
Why need a 432 & 434????
Wow so different, Cool
I've been around construction on the west coast for about 60 years and I never heard them called stab legs or stab posts.
What part of the country is that term from?
I've only heard them called stabilizers or outriggers.
Sideshift backhoes have been in this country at least since the 50s.
It's sad that caterpillar took this long to catch up 😆😃
Whoever would have thought that Massey Ferguson would be at least 6 decades ahead of caterpillar on anything. 😁😆
hello cat landscaping and it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks and the best center pivot and side shift backhoe comparison and best in the would caterpillar is cool and i am a big # 1 fan's and best in the would thanks friends randy
The guy on the side shift is not an operator.😃😆😁
He would have lined up the tractor better with the beam.
Besides it's easier and faster just to lift up the back of the tractor and move it over with the boom.