In season 5 episode 1, Danielle Faraday said "You cannot change anything. You can't. Even if you tried to, it wouldn't work." "Time-it's like a street, all right? We can move forward on that street, we can move in reverse, but we cannot ever create a new street. If we try to do anything different, we will fail every time. Whatever happened, happened."
Imagine having to wait the week to watch what happens after that? At least you can go immediately to the next one if you wanted but this one was particularly stressful to wait because of all the time travel questions it poses. So interesting
I would love to see your reaction to SyFy's "12 Monkeys" (Based on the 1995 movie). One of the best time travel shows out there. Another one of those shows that get your mind racing with theories.
Funny your mind went to Newhart first. For me he's the guy from Bladerunner, or from Deadwood. But, yeah... This is my brother Daryl and this is my other brother Daryl...
Sawyer says that after 3 years he cannot remember what the woman he loved looks like (Kate), but Ben is supposed to remember what Sayid looks like after 30 years? (after only a day of knowing each other?)
First of all, I think Sawyer's lying about forgetting what Kate looks like. Secondly, Sayid is the first Other that young Ben has met since Richard, and the man that betrayed and shot him. Ben's incredibly smart and holds a grudge, so yes, I'd expect he has an image of Sayid burned into his young mind. At least until episode 5x11... :)
@@NeilTalks but seriously if you have not seen them, tv series "The 100" (starring Henry Ian Cusick [Desmond] and "Person Of Interest" (starring Michael Emerson [Benjamin Linus] and a Jack Shepperd looking and acting Jim Caviezel,) are heavily influenced by LOST and worth considering for future reaction status.
This! I know Neil already commented here alluding to the in-universe explanation given in 5x11, but I've never seen the issue with the "why doesn't so-and-so remember so-and-so" questions, and ESPECIALLY with Ben & Sayid. If I try to think back to when I was 12 (now 39) I sure as hell can't remember random people I interacted with for one day. I mean sure, none of them shot me and left me for dead in a jungle, but still... :) Memories are fickle, and even if Ben retained a vague notion of "that guy who shot me when I was 12" in his mind's eye, there's no way he's putting that on Sayid when they meet in the Swan during season 2, even IF Ben is aware of potential time shenanigans with the Island, but ESPECIALLY SO if not.
I find it interesting that the DHARMA Initiative had hired a permanent torturer on their staff. This says a lot about them that I find, well . . . repellent.
It was Sawyer who said "he's our you"...no genuine Dharma person would have thought of him as a torturer (rightly so, as Sayid didn't appear to actually suffer any pain...he seemed very chilled out).
I feel for young Ben. I’d like to think that his miserable life is what caused him to learn and use all those manipulations. (I still can’t stand the fact that he’s caused so much pain and trouble.)
@@DRush76 it's a reference to a popular time-travel-related philosophical/moral question. But I think you're possibly missing the point with focusing on the "comparison" because even with literal Hitler, the whole point of the question is to highlight the potential moral problem that exists with killing a child that is, at that point (as far as we know) effectively completely innocent. The point of bringing up this question isn't necessarily to suggest that Ben's actions are comparable to that of Hitler, but to simply ask whether it would be moral to go back in time to kill a child who you(or the character of Sayid, in this case) think will become an 'evil' adult.
@@truthbetold8233 I understand what the question and the term means. I just don't see how this should relate to Ben. He was never the worst villain on the show. And many of the other major characters - including the 815 survivors - were just as guilty of crimes as Ben. The problem is that many of the show's fans tend to dismiss, ignore their crimes . . . because they were deemed "the good guys". What makes this situation with Sayid and Ben even more ridiculous to me is that some of Sayid's accusations against Ben were wrong.
“Everything will happen as it always has." This was a classic case of if I could go back and kill Hitler as a kid then none of the war crimes and atrocities he had caused in his adult life would never have happened. Unfortunately for Sayid; he may have just sealed Ben’s fate and done what had always happened. 😎
For all his flaws, most of what Ben is accused of doing was done by someone else. And it's not like Ben forced a gun into Sayid's hand like they did with Eko's brother. Sayid is a grown man who made bad choices and was a killer long before he met Ben, but he is put on a pedestal and given free range. I know it is a quasi-philosophical question about ethics in a time travel scenario. But even if it was possible contra the rules, the result would always be replacing someone bad with someone worse. It takes a bad guy to do what Sayid just did. Under no circumstances should he be trusted to make moral decisions concerning everyone else. For he has a long list of victims to his name who might want in turn to go back in time to delete Sayid as a kid.
Young Ben was not a psycho. Nor was he a "baby Hitler". Why do people insist upon having this black-and-white view of human nature? I see Ben as a kid who wants to escape the DHARMA Initiative and especially his abusive father. He saw Sayid as the means of that opportunity. The older Ben wasn't a psycho as well. I think too many people have fully accepted the idea of Ben being the only true villain on this show. They have forgotten that many other characters - including the original castaways - can also be morally bankrupt. This has been obvious since the show's beginning. And this is why no one wants to accept the idea that Ben's life has not always been easy. All of them are quite capable of being both decent and monstrous. That includes Ben, Sayid, Sawyer, Juliet, Kate, Jack, Locke, etc. There are very few characters on this show whose hands are completely clean whether through action or lack of action.
@@ysmaelcarp8023 I managed to draw that conclusion LONG BEFORE Season 5. Every since Season One when Sayid and Jack tortured Sawyer for Shannon's inhaler; when Sawyer murdered Frank Duckett and when Charlie murdered Ethan; I've been aware of how monstrous a lot of them could be.
I forgot to add one thing. How do you know that Ben is dead? The episode only ended with Sayid shooting him. We don't know whether Ben is dead or not. I'm just going to watch the next episode. I don't think Sayid "fell" for Ilana. I think he wanted a one night stand. And he got one . . . with the wrong woman.
As for your reason why you don't want to be sympathetic toward Ben . . . I don't get it. He's not the only character with blood on his hands. He's not the only character who has done terrible things. Ben is such a skewed and untrustworthy character? There are very few characters on this show who aren't. The problem I have with the argument that Ben is a "baby Hitler" is that I don't regard him as the worse character on this show. Widmore has more blood on his hands than Ben and even he isn't a monster. Sayid was being selfish and monstrous because he couldn't live with the idea that his grief over Nadia's death had driven him to a desire for revenge and murder. Ben originally tried to talk him out of it. But when Sayid had insisted upon serving as his hitman against Widmore's people, Ben had decided to take advantage of the situation. As for Sawyer, so much for saving Sayid's ass.
You are correct about Radzinsky. He was Kelvin Inman's partner inside the Swan station.
I love your "Lost" reactions! Thank you!
“How did the island allow this to happen?” Congratulations. Your evolution into a “Lostie” is complete.
So unsettling how he says “he’s our you.” I love the scene when they give Sayid the truth serum and the audience is like oh crap here we go.
Season 5 is easily my favorite season of LOST with so many twists and turns! There is more to come. Enjoy it👍
Strange.. it’s my least favourite. It basically turned into a different show.. hence the lack of answers by its conclusion. That’s my analysis
In season 5 episode 1, Danielle Faraday said
"You cannot change anything. You can't. Even if you tried to, it wouldn't work."
"Time-it's like a street, all right? We can move forward on that street, we can move in reverse, but we cannot ever create a new street. If we try to do anything different, we will fail every time. Whatever happened, happened."
All that reading that Sawyer did certainly helped solving the situation
Daniel didnt say what to do next but rather what they can or cant do (Remember he said it doesnt matter what they do, whatever happened, happened.)
14:51 - "What's his [Sayid's] purpose? Save young Ben? Inspire young Ben?"
Umm. Something like that...but not exactly.
"He did it!?! He killed young Ben! But. But. But." 😂😂
"I think I gave him too much 🤔"
"No you gave me exactly enough 😂"
🌴❤️🌴
I'm Larry, this is my brother, Darryl, and this is my other brother, Darryl.
And we are torturers.
9:51 OMG I never realized that. I knew he looked familiar. Nice memory
Imagine having to wait the week to watch what happens after that? At least you can go immediately to the next one if you wanted but this one was particularly stressful to wait because of all the time travel questions it poses. So interesting
God, this Show was so awesome... another Episode of LOST and we're lost again - LOL 😅
Great reaction Neil!
I would love to see your reaction to SyFy's "12 Monkeys" (Based on the 1995 movie). One of the best time travel shows out there. Another one of those shows that get your mind racing with theories.
Or 12 Monkeys, the movie!
@@PixelologistThe show is better(one of the rare unicorns where the adaptation improved on the original).
"How could the island let that happen.."
Well, I guess, whatever happened....happened.
Funny your mind went to Newhart first. For me he's the guy from Bladerunner, or from Deadwood. But, yeah... This is my brother Daryl and this is my other brother Daryl...
He's our you was also in Blade Runner - the maker of toys
Sawyer says that after 3 years he cannot remember what the woman he loved looks like (Kate), but Ben is supposed to remember what Sayid looks like after 30 years? (after only a day of knowing each other?)
First of all, I think Sawyer's lying about forgetting what Kate looks like. Secondly, Sayid is the first Other that young Ben has met since Richard, and the man that betrayed and shot him. Ben's incredibly smart and holds a grudge, so yes, I'd expect he has an image of Sayid burned into his young mind. At least until episode 5x11... :)
@@NeilTalks exactly
@@NeilTalks but seriously if you have not seen them, tv series "The 100" (starring Henry Ian Cusick [Desmond] and "Person Of Interest" (starring Michael Emerson [Benjamin Linus] and a Jack Shepperd looking and acting Jim Caviezel,) are heavily influenced by LOST and worth considering for future reaction status.
This! I know Neil already commented here alluding to the in-universe explanation given in 5x11, but I've never seen the issue with the "why doesn't so-and-so remember so-and-so" questions, and ESPECIALLY with Ben & Sayid. If I try to think back to when I was 12 (now 39) I sure as hell can't remember random people I interacted with for one day. I mean sure, none of them shot me and left me for dead in a jungle, but still... :) Memories are fickle, and even if Ben retained a vague notion of "that guy who shot me when I was 12" in his mind's eye, there's no way he's putting that on Sayid when they meet in the Swan during season 2, even IF Ben is aware of potential time shenanigans with the Island, but ESPECIALLY SO if not.
@@NeilTalks don't worry Neil, there is an explanation.
You are the first reactor to remember Newhart.
And to nor mention Blade Runner.
Whatever happened, happened.
Find out next time on Lost
I find it interesting that the DHARMA Initiative had hired a permanent torturer on their staff. This says a lot about them that I find, well . . . repellent.
It was Sawyer who said "he's our you"...no genuine Dharma person would have thought of him as a torturer (rightly so, as Sayid didn't appear to actually suffer any pain...he seemed very chilled out).
the modern Ben is obviously not the original Ben. He's probably a polar bear or alien wearing a mask, or an android.
You got a shout out on Reatores reaction to s5 ep6!
I just started watching The Dropout on Hulu. I know I’m typecasting here, but it’s so strange watching Naveen *not* kick ass.
whoa I totally forgot about that book.
18:23 jsjaja bro
As you have have seen in the next episode (Patreon), Ben's bullet wound seems to have moved, like the Island.
They mirrored the footage. Not sure how that happened, maybe they effed up the screen direction.
I feel for young Ben. I’d like to think that his miserable life is what caused him to learn and use all those manipulations. (I still can’t stand the fact that he’s caused so much pain and trouble.)
I agree. I also can't stand how some of the other major characters had caused a lot of pain and trouble.
I feel bad but the kid is clearly a psycho even back then. Creepy af
After all this time watching I just realized you’re a Seahawks fan. Any feelings about the Russell Wilson trade?
As soon as he said, "That's why I'm here," I knew what he was going to do too. It is a classic "Would you kill baby Hitler?" scenario.
"Baby Hitler"? Who are you talking about?
@@DRush76 literally baby Hitler.
@@truthbetold8233 Who is baby Hitler? Certainly not Ben.
@@DRush76 it's a reference to a popular time-travel-related philosophical/moral question.
But I think you're possibly missing the point with focusing on the "comparison" because even with literal Hitler, the whole point of the question is to highlight the potential moral problem that exists with killing a child that is, at that point (as far as we know) effectively completely innocent.
The point of bringing up this question isn't necessarily to suggest that Ben's actions are comparable to that of Hitler, but to simply ask whether it would be moral to go back in time to kill a child who you(or the character of Sayid, in this case) think will become an 'evil' adult.
@@truthbetold8233 I understand what the question and the term means. I just don't see how this should relate to Ben. He was never the worst villain on the show. And many of the other major characters - including the 815 survivors - were just as guilty of crimes as Ben. The problem is that many of the show's fans tend to dismiss, ignore their crimes . . . because they were deemed "the good guys". What makes this situation with Sayid and Ben even more ridiculous to me is that some of Sayid's accusations against Ben were wrong.
“Everything will happen as it always has."
This was a classic case of if I could go back and kill Hitler as a kid then none of the war crimes and atrocities he had caused in his adult life would never have happened. Unfortunately for Sayid; he may have just sealed Ben’s fate and done what had always happened. 😎
For all his flaws, most of what Ben is accused of doing was done by someone else. And it's not like Ben forced a gun into Sayid's hand like they did with Eko's brother. Sayid is a grown man who made bad choices and was a killer long before he met Ben, but he is put on a pedestal and given free range. I know it is a quasi-philosophical question about ethics in a time travel scenario. But even if it was possible contra the rules, the result would always be replacing someone bad with someone worse. It takes a bad guy to do what Sayid just did. Under no circumstances should he be trusted to make moral decisions concerning everyone else. For he has a long list of victims to his name who might want in turn to go back in time to delete Sayid as a kid.
Young Ben was not a psycho. Nor was he a "baby Hitler". Why do people insist upon having this black-and-white view of human nature? I see Ben as a kid who wants to escape the DHARMA Initiative and especially his abusive father. He saw Sayid as the means of that opportunity. The older Ben wasn't a psycho as well. I think too many people have fully accepted the idea of Ben being the only true villain on this show. They have forgotten that many other characters - including the original castaways - can also be morally bankrupt. This has been obvious since the show's beginning. And this is why no one wants to accept the idea that Ben's life has not always been easy. All of them are quite capable of being both decent and monstrous. That includes Ben, Sayid, Sawyer, Juliet, Kate, Jack, Locke, etc. There are very few characters on this show whose hands are completely clean whether through action or lack of action.
From an Americans viewpoint, sayid is by far thevillian of th piece. An former Republican guard of Saddam Hussein's, and known torturer and murderer.
That conclusion can be drawn when the series ends, but this is season 5.
@@ysmaelcarp8023 I managed to draw that conclusion LONG BEFORE Season 5. Every since Season One when Sayid and Jack tortured Sawyer for Shannon's inhaler; when Sawyer murdered Frank Duckett and when Charlie murdered Ethan; I've been aware of how monstrous a lot of them could be.
I forgot to add one thing. How do you know that Ben is dead? The episode only ended with Sayid shooting him. We don't know whether Ben is dead or not. I'm just going to watch the next episode. I don't think Sayid "fell" for Ilana. I think he wanted a one night stand. And he got one . . . with the wrong woman.
I guess this variable will establish the kind of time travel Lost will stick to
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As for your reason why you don't want to be sympathetic toward Ben . . . I don't get it. He's not the only character with blood on his hands. He's not the only character who has done terrible things. Ben is such a skewed and untrustworthy character? There are very few characters on this show who aren't. The problem I have with the argument that Ben is a "baby Hitler" is that I don't regard him as the worse character on this show. Widmore has more blood on his hands than Ben and even he isn't a monster. Sayid was being selfish and monstrous because he couldn't live with the idea that his grief over Nadia's death had driven him to a desire for revenge and murder. Ben originally tried to talk him out of it. But when Sayid had insisted upon serving as his hitman against Widmore's people, Ben had decided to take advantage of the situation. As for Sawyer, so much for saving Sayid's ass.
maybe because he murdered john locke in cold blood literally 2 episodes ago
Sawyer busted his ass to help Sayid. Incl giving him an escape. Even if it would've make himself look like an idiot.
@@hermanubis96 and all for his own precious ego.
A mass murderer who lived his life to manipulate. And possibly uttered truth twice in his pathetic life....
And he owns up to all this, later on.
@@Eowyn187 But he still failed to save Sayid. Mind you, it was Sayid's fault. But Sawyer failed.
It actually pained me to hear you guessing that Sayid's purpose might be to "save" or "inspire" young Ben. So sorry to disappoint you. :(