I made the second part as EPIC as possible so I hope you all enjoy it! Yes I known said monkey instead of ape, that is fixed next chapter, as well as "planetary rotations" basically just means 1 year. Unfortunately I used the wrong terminology here and there in the first part as well as incorrect scientific knowledge and subtle myths/lies that I believed were thrown in there. I tried my best that no mistakes were present in the finale, but mistakes will always arrive. So to anyone reading this and then reading part 2, rip it to shreds in the comments below. For me, the only way to improve is to recieve critism and then apply improvements the next time. But nonetheless I hope you all enjoy.
@@guruthegreat100 It's equally true both ways. The current principle is that you never leave your kind, no matter how much you evolve. So every human is an ape, every ape is a monkey, every monkey is a primate, every primate is a mammal, and so on (look at whales, for example. Their ancestor is most likely an ancient artiodactyl, i.e. a four-legged, even-toed hoofed (ungulate) land mammal, adapted for running. Cetaceans thus have a common ancestor with modern-day artiodactyls such as the cow, the pig, the camel, the giraffe and the hippopotamus). Our last common ancestor with the chimpanzees was around 7 million years ago, but the divide between humans and other apes (which have since died out) seems to have been between 2 and 2.5 million years ago, so your 2.3 fit just fine.
Human: "Truly, I must insist you allow me to finish my presentation before I classify Earth." Alien: "Just get on with it!" Human: "You understand so little of who we are. But we _will_ teach you if you wish to learn."
Not all of Australia is dangerous. It is like saying the weather in California will cook food. That's technically true. In Death Valley, California, the temperature literally will cook food during the summer. 50C+
@LadyTakanashi actually there's plenty of places here with bears and more dangerous moose. Believe it or not, moose kill more people. Plus, plenty of people die to black widow spiders and rattle snakes. Then you also have sharks. Plus, violent earth quakes. But I digress, California is known for nice weather, but there's a place here that will actually cook you alive. Australia is known for dangerous wildlife, but there's plenty of places that are quite nice.
Technically, Australia would be a "Death Continent", populated by descendants of criminals and outcasts, who were sent to said 'Death Continent' to survive, or thrive, or die. Having visited Australia - twice - I would say "thrive" is the correct conclusion.
I say this for those unsure of what you mean. First flight was 1903. Soviets put an object on Moon in 1959. Only 56 years later. US put men on the Moon in 1969. Only 66 years later. Yes, wondering about powered flight to moon landing in a lifetime.
@@ionxtandstuff2308 Nah, I was talking about frequency, not hard numbers. Often is the better fit. Question is about whether we are an exception or not in the speed of progression of one to the other.
Sadly we get nerfed every couple of centuries with the dark ages. Humanity gets through every 1,000 years of dark ages where we don't do anything that is considered advancement
Aliens : Soon as we touch down on the Human planet, we got attacked by towering monstrosities Humains : That's what you get when you choose to drop your troops right in the middle of a Grizzly reserve area. Was a good show tho.
the idea of aliens landing on a planet over 2X their gravity is loony, then there's the low oxygen, which if the Cavahr are insect like, they likely need a much higher oxygen than earth provides, unless they developed a similar breathing system as vertebrates. also they need to hope they don't taste like shell fish, cause you KNOW there's gonna be that one guy who's gonna try it.
I doubt they rely on oxygen as the text said they ingest large amounts of heavy metal in particular mercury something that tends to clog our systems perhaps they breath a different gas such as ammonia
while i like what im seeing every time i hear 'yellow sun' i curse superman as 'stupidman' because our star is only 'yellow' due to our atmosphere filtering it, its a White Star outside of the atmposphere
The first superman comic was written 19 years before the satellite launch so when he was written the only way to observe the sun was through the filter of our atmosphere so as far as the writers knew the sun was yellow.
Humanity steps onto the galactic stage, prepared for everyone's shock that anyone could survive on such a terrifying Hell World. Instead they are shocked when the astonishment shown is instead at the idea that such a perfect paradise of a Garden World could ever exist, a place more peaceful and nurturing to its inhabitants than anywhere in any galaxy. Over and over humanity finds their expectations defied. We're a warlike race that's committed horrendous atrocities? The most peaceful races out there are comparable at best. Our world is bombarded with solar flares? Small enough to be deemed irrelevant in comparison to the superflares most stars belch out with terrifying frequency. Our coasts are bombarded with powerful cyclones while smaller but still terrifying storms ravage the landscape further inland? Many planets suffer nonstop storms that would be a category ten by our own hurricane strength categorization. Our land is hit frequently with earthquakes and volcanoes? What planet isn't? Everything from our culture to our land, our wildlife to our climate, is so mild that "Paradise" is the only word that can possibly be used to describe it. On top of all that, our system is encased in layer after layer of powerful barriers that prevent radiation and other dangerous material from making its way in. Upon learning everything about our race, the galaxy at large is quick to dismiss us. How could a race so coddled by its mother world amount to anything? The only reason we experience peace is because everyone knows that if anyone tries to take this pristine treasure the result will be all-out war between all races. Over time, however, opinions begin to change. One death-worlder brings several "adventurous" individuals to their own homeworld, showing them the horrors they lived in. The regions ravaged by environmental conditions too inhospitable for any to tempt, where none had ever been foolish enough to venture. Regions inhabited solely by monsters so powerful that none to this day had ever dared even contemplate any action save flight. The adventurous souls immediately began planning, and within three years had set off on an expedition. All died. Though the aliens struggled to hide this, in no time all humanity knew of this incident. Two years later three expeditions arrived. All perished in one group, half in another that barely managed to return after a hasty retreat, and the third aborted very shortly. Over and over, more and more people arrived, and more survived while piercing deeper into the unknown. After less than a decade, this region that had remained uncharted save for glimpses through the clouds from satellites was fully mapped and conquered, and one adventurer now had the heads of several of these monsters mounted on his ship. He renamed his ship the "Ripley", claiming that the creatures were nearly identical to those of an ancient story from his world, albeit about fifty times taller. When the galaxy saw the heavenly garden world that had raised humanity, they scoffed at what such a pampered race could possibly achieve. Now, a century later, they realize the one thing they hadn't considered: on such a planet, where even the harshest climate was conquerable with astoundingly primitive technology, there is no concept of true futility. Humanity's world taught them to try harder, to always push further, but never taught them to give up, and as a result there was absolutely nothing they couldn't do.
@@nathanegnew1923 No, not the plot of the above story at all. I just tire of all the "Earth is a hell/death world" when astronomy keeps showing more and more ways that ours is just about the most peaceful planet and system we can find.
Agreed, the "Earth is a deathworld" trope is kinda tiring when evidence continues to show that our system is a near perfect mix of hospitable conditions. Just the right activity level of a star, just the right area of the galaxy, just the right position and size of gas giants to protect Earth, just the right kind of influence from the Moon, just the right distribution of surface resources and for aiding our future expansion, just right kind of neighboring planet. The only thing suboptimal for us is probably that the surface gravity is almost high enough to challenge development of space travel. Combined with the fermi paradox, it's hard not to conclude that we're likely just on an exceptionally rare garden world.
And in the end I can hear him saying we’re not trapped in this galaxy with you. You’re trapped in this galaxy with us ha ha ha, ha ha. And by the way, we love crab. 😂
Sorry b6uy aliens land in the Simpson we won't know until they build their 3rd city and if they can survive the heat, fires floods and snakes they are welcome if they join the S.E.S
@@lyrigageforge3259I like how Turtledove's Worldwar series subverts the Australia tropes because the Race are short bipedal lizards who evolved on a hot, mostly dry world and see Australia as prime real-estate.
Debatable, actually. Sorry to reply to a 4 month old comment, but there's one huge unknown: how well did simple information travel via trade and inter-tribe contact? Based on discoveries of distant trade goods we know we underestimate how connected the ancient world was, just not by how much. A relatively well-connected ancient world is one of my favourite conjectures and it explains a lot of otherwise confusing things.
@@tristanridley1601the ancient world was a good deal more connected than most think. But at the bare minimum agriculture developed two times (once in the new world, once in the old world) with the actual number most certainly being higher.
@@drdiabeetus4419 so true that why every continent had exactly the same crops and each continent didn't have its own crops because they were all taken out of Africa when we left, after all walking across the artic to America was easy and you could take seeds there, same for the people that canoes to Australia.
Yup, class 7 hellworld, and the Cavahr attack - only to discover we have places like Death Valley, Antarctica, and Australia, and we're inviting their forces to meet us there....
With an already stated gravity more than twice their homeworld's, we would be liikong at orbital bombardment as any boots on the ground would be very weak without any kind of cybernetic enhancement or mech suits to make up the difference.
@@driverr988 Yup, that too. So our space defenses would be put to the test. I that regard, it'd be a different matter, although I suspect our cyber warfare and goodness knows what else would be taking a terrible toll on the attackers.
@@anonanonymous1988 Yup, plus parts of Africa and especially South America are actually worse than Australia in terms of dangerous wildlife (though Australia is of course nothing to laugh at but get's a bit overhyped by the internet).
Every time persistence hunting comes up I remember a side character from a superhero comic whose only power was that he NEVER grew tired. People treated it like it was a joke power, especially since he was a bit of a brickhead. That is, until he fought a classmate who couldn't knock him out with one hit, and his opponent grew increasingly frantic as he realized that this guy just wasn't going to stop until he won the battle.
I might be misreading this, but that line possibly suggests that humanity has expanded outside the Milky Way . . . let’s hope the aliens are paying close attention . . .
Well, the Cavahr should think again about their idea of initiating a preemptive war to wipe out humanity... Starting such a war may end up in their own extinction.
Lower gravity worlds would perhaps find it easier to get into space, less escape velocity needed. Also, low gravity species would likely adapt to the lack of gravity in space more easily.
Loving the premise, but I would have to add that the last cpmmon ancestor with another great ape was 7 million years ago, with many subsequent species coming in. Homo Erectus, iirc, was from about 1.8 mya to 180,000 years ago
Yeah, I have objected to this authors view on Evolution before. He seems to think it was a bunch of stop/starts before suddenly just stopping rather than the continuous and still ongoing process it actually is. Its a very simplistic, and quite incorrect view of Evolution, and given I am a marine/Evolutionary Ecologist that drives me up the wall! Stopped listening soon as I recognised the story.....
@alganhar1 I'm a Linguist and my anthropological background truly wishes more consideration was given to the field as, like you, it is such a rich field to simplify and mislead on
Now imagine an alien race that does manage to take over and control humanity, but did not or forgot to prepare for the endemic life forms and microbes. Like imagine one of us gets sick of fever, they sneeze, and the poor alien guarding them whose immune system is woefully unprepared for the common flu, dies of disease.
Nope, I think they mean years, but are just shirking normal Conventions, otherwise the Chavar wouldn't have been terrified by the thought of us evolving to space flight in 2.6 million years.
And what about all the non-predator species that are VERY territorial? Hippos anyone? Rhinos are another example. Ungulates on many continents, especially in rutting season, being another. The list goes on.
The farming part is not quite right. Your old school textbook might say 3 places, but there has been a lot of new work by archaeologists on this in the last few decades that hasn't made it into every textbook yet. Agriculture is thought to have independently developed in way more than 3 places. Wikipedia lists at least 11 different regions of Earth where agriculture developed.
Yep every time they say this'll rewrite the history books it does not as we still have some in circulation going to students from the 60s so hardly anyone will know beyond the people who found the xyz in question. And anyone who knows the new info will be labeled woke, a re-writer of history, or making up propaganda or lies.
The indigenous Ozzies had at least stage 1 agriculture, burn shit down so better shit regrows and attracts better prey, and scatter seeds so when you come back whatever it was is there, avoiding the flood seasons means permanent settlements aren't viable either. Also many ozzie marsupials only breed when food is plenty and there aren't of a lot of that species so farming them isn't viable.
Start of the story is a bit weird since it bounces between first and 3rd person mid paragraph in it's narrative style. Also, for 2.6 million of our years to be 1.8 million of theirs, we'd need a SHORTER, not longer, orbital year. As for them to have less years in the same period of time, they need to have a longer/larger orbit around their sun..
If you asked me hfy tend to over exaggerate how deadly earth is. Another question i like to ask is how a species managed to evolved to sapience in a garden world without any hardship
This story isn’t implying that at least not directly it talks of neutral worlds at most planets that have predators and limitations but the pressure of getting eaten is far less than other environments
I find it funny how, once an author defined humanity as a persistence hunter species, everyone started using it as a shock value to aliens in their stories too.
there's a couple of logical/continuity flaws in the writing. 1) not monkeys, apes. 2) if our year was longer than theirs, the timeframe upon moving to Cavahr years would show more Cavahr years, not less. so earth must have a shorter year than cavahr. (example, if 1 earth year was 10% longer than a Cavahr year, then every 10 earth years, there would be 11 Cavahr years, the writing seems to show this the other way around, earth having a longer year, but somehow 2.6 million earth years = 1.8 million cavahr... can't be both longer and 2/3rds the duration.) otherwise, good story.
Sorry, but given its reliance on an abysmally poor understanding of how Evolution actually works I disagree. Its a terrible story. The idea is fine, but given how much he relies on Evolution for it then he would have been well advised to actually have an understanding of how it actually works. Human Evolution is not a series of stop starts, its a continuous and still ongoing process. There are times it may speed up (such as after the harnessing of fire), and times it has slowed down, but it has never *stopped*. Even since the arrival of modern man we have evolved, and there is plenty of evidence for this. Lactose tolerance for example only evolved a few thousand years ago, probably due to a mutation. Sickle Cell Anaemia evolved within the last 5000 years as well. Green eyes, blonde and red hair, white skin, epicanthal folds, I could go on, but needless to say that human evolution is still ongoing. I would hardly be surprised given the relatively high population mobility these days that we are entering a period of slowdown, but as I said earlier, slow does not mean it has stopped.
@@alganhar1 you should probably re-read the content. it appears you have misunderstood. literally the only thing it relies on is a timeframe, not an in depth understanding of evolution. The timeframe doesn't seem that far out.
@davidaward82 What I'm curious about is whether that abysmal explanation of our evolution is Watsonian or Doyleist in nature. Meaning, is it Kenneth intentionally misinforming the council (which doesn't make sense if we gave them access to all the information about us) or is it the author not knowing the reality?
This story starts out good but when it starts to talk about persistence hunting it all goes down hill from there. That's where it becomes completely unscientific.
The math doesn't add up. Humans evolved in 2.3 million years, but our years are longer than the Cavahr which means it calculates to 1.8million years there...um...if our year is linger, then they have more years in the same time, there for the number of Cavahr years should be higher than the earth years not lower.
Alien joins the top galactic police force, the men in black who round up dangerous aliens used as hunting beasts and for zoos. Eventually he has to return a creature to its homeworld which is where the. MIB was founded. He lands approaches a native sapeient looks at him and says I now know why we're are called the men in black and the native sapeient replies Nah mate that's a translation error were black fella now give us our dingo back.
Psst. The genus _Homo_ seems to have originated around three million years ago, and anatomically modern humans appear in the fossil record only about 200k years ago.
12:43 If the earth year is longer that the aliens then the aliens time scale would be longer, not shorter. Think miles and kilometers. Mile is longer than kilometer so 100 miles is about 160 kilometers.
Yes , Homo-Sapiens IS one of the Finest " Running Beasts " on the Planet . Not the fastest but pretty quick nonetheless , and we CAN indeed outdistance ANYTHING else . Horse included . But NOT the Dog .
Humans could be summed up with this “ in our ancient times our ancestors killed and ate our gods the various other gods were horrified and so they banned integration of the human race from becoming a star god “
- Well... For us, humans, the Earth is heaven. Hell? Hell was our sister planet Venus. Heat enough to melt lead. Crush pressure. Sulfuric acid rain... Still. We build small settlements there... for terraforming purposes. Now is not so different from our homeworld. Pretty place, although too hot for my taste. Very... "jungly" Anyway... it's just one of our thousand terraformed worlds... - Wait... wait... wait... A thousand! There is no system with a thousand planets! - Of course not. In fact, most of them are just the unique terraformed planet in their systems. As for now, humankind has build some kind of colonies across 2344 stars around our home star. - What! That's more than... But we have contacted just one decade ago! You said that you invented the FTL engine just now! - Ah... That's require a clarification. Yes... We are a little... ashamed, that take us a couple of centuries and a half to develop a functional FTL, although we have a good excuse. There is a couple high speed rotating blackholes, just 25 years light from our star. This stellar formation generates a distortion that make all our FTL tries to fail, and we though, incorrectly, that the problem was our current understanding of physics, so we developed a different approach. Through sublight ships, we have colonized across a hundred years.light around, and connected our worlds via "stargate"... sorry, that term probably won't translate well... Just say teleportation through controlled micro-wormholes. - What the heck! Is that even possible? - Only after reach a place farther away from the distorsione, we understood the problem around our FTL engines, and then we developed a functional model. And... here we are. So... if you intended to visit our homeworld, just take this into consideration, or your ships will stop in the middle of the void. Not a fun thing to happen, I assure you. - STOP THE INVASION!
Wait, if the rotation in Earth is SLOWER than in the Cavahr homeworld, don't it means that it should convert to more time instead of less? Like, if A rotates 1 time every 20t and B rotates 1 time every 15t, when A completes 1 rotation, B will be in 1 and a third of another . . . . .
How could 2.6 million years on a slowly-rotating planet correspond to 1.8 million years on a fast-rotating one ? An Earth year is 365 days ( duh ). It has a longer year than Venus, at 225 days. So for example ten years is 3650 days on Earth, divided by 225 days, equals 16.22 Venus years. A short orbit means more years for a given length of time, not less. That's it ! I'm reporting this to Neil De Grasse Tyson.
Ulg, hate the humans evolved from monkeys line that's always misused. Both humans and monkeys evolved from the same hominid. Monkeys are not our ancestors.
Not quite. Apes and monkeys shared a monkey like ancestor around 24 million years ago, modern apes and hominids shared a common ape like ancestor some 7 million years ago. Notice the like in both those ancestors, they may have been ape or monkey like but they were NOT modern apes or monkeys! That is an important distinction.
If Earth has a LONGER revolution, then converting 2.6m earth years into Kavar years would result in a HIGHER number, not lower. Think about it. Americans use miles, which is a longer unit than the kilometer. If an American converted the 2600 miles that America stretches into French km for a French speaker, it would be 4200 km. Kenneth is a liar or bad at math.
So i know this doesn't really do anything to say it here but the stories math is wrong. Humans started their journey of evolution 2.3 million years priot to current events. 300k years ago humans came to be modern humans or the closest aproximation. That 300k would be in that 2.3 million meaning that it was still 2.3 million, not 2.6 million.
@@abelboronkai448 you are adding the two numbers when it is clear one of the numbers is already a part of another. This is just a version of that dumb math problem where a guy over pays for something, someone keeps part of the change and ends up walking away with a higher number than should be possible.
@@blackblade99009 The vid said humans needed 2,3 mill to evolve into modern humans. Than another 300k to be in the present. Modern human means our history. From the mezopotamian through egypt and rome and the medieval ages to Our present which is still the past in this story. I think your mistake is this but i aint gonna rewatch the vid so if it said otherwise you may be right. I just remember 2,3 mill to modern humans which doesnt mean present
Which part, humans being overpowered bullshit, or the author deciding to go against Convention, and use planetary rotations instead of cycles to mean a year.
The author has posted a Part 2 if you wish yo continue reading: www.reddit.com/r/HFY/comments/15usu2u/classification_hellworld_part_2_the_great/
Will you be reading that one as well?
I made the second part as EPIC as possible so I hope you all enjoy it! Yes I known said monkey instead of ape, that is fixed next chapter, as well as "planetary rotations" basically just means 1 year. Unfortunately I used the wrong terminology here and there in the first part as well as incorrect scientific knowledge and subtle myths/lies that I believed were thrown in there. I tried my best that no mistakes were present in the finale, but mistakes will always arrive. So to anyone reading this and then reading part 2, rip it to shreds in the comments below. For me, the only way to improve is to recieve critism and then apply improvements the next time. But nonetheless I hope you all enjoy.
you will narrate the 2nd part too dont you ?
@@guruthegreat100 It's equally true both ways. The current principle is that you never leave your kind, no matter how much you evolve. So every human is an ape, every ape is a monkey, every monkey is a primate, every primate is a mammal, and so on (look at whales, for example. Their ancestor is most likely an ancient artiodactyl, i.e. a four-legged, even-toed hoofed (ungulate) land mammal, adapted for running. Cetaceans thus have a common ancestor with modern-day artiodactyls such as the cow, the pig, the camel, the giraffe and the hippopotamus). Our last common ancestor with the chimpanzees was around 7 million years ago, but the divide between humans and other apes (which have since died out) seems to have been between 2 and 2.5 million years ago, so your 2.3 fit just fine.
oh plz narrate the 2nd part as well!
Kavar: You ambushed our invasion fleet! How did you know they were coming???
Human: Because thats what we would do.
Sounds about right
“We knew what you were doing before you knew what you were doing” -habitual linecrosser
Human: "Truly, I must insist you allow me to finish my presentation before I classify Earth."
Alien: "Just get on with it!"
Human: "You understand so little of who we are. But we _will_ teach you if you wish to learn."
Aliens: *Land their invasion force in Rural China*
Chinese farmers: *Eat the aliens*
Just as in the old joke:
"If it moves, it's food. If it's not, then it's spice!" 😛
@Senok13 In china they say "we eat everything that has wings , except for an airplane and everything with legs except for a table!"
@@maxxcarver5502 chairs live for another day
Squid is tasty?
@@Attaxalotl Yes it can be
I come from a class 7 Hellworld called Earth, specifically from a class 10 Hell Continent called Australia.
Not all of Australia is dangerous. It is like saying the weather in California will cook food. That's technically true. In Death Valley, California, the temperature literally will cook food during the summer. 50C+
But Cali lacks bird eating spiders and drop bears in the average garden
@LadyTakanashi actually there's plenty of places here with bears and more dangerous moose. Believe it or not, moose kill more people. Plus, plenty of people die to black widow spiders and rattle snakes. Then you also have sharks. Plus, violent earth quakes. But I digress, California is known for nice weather, but there's a place here that will actually cook you alive. Australia is known for dangerous wildlife, but there's plenty of places that are quite nice.
"New classification, Death World, Hell World, Australia Adjacent.
Technically, Australia would be a "Death Continent", populated by descendants of criminals and outcasts, who were sent to said 'Death Continent' to survive, or thrive, or die. Having visited Australia - twice - I would say "thrive" is the correct conclusion.
aliens : oh so you're speed running becoming a space faring civilization
Humans: yes *does it in record time*
Gotta wonder how often aliens arguing over the possibility of powered flight got to see a moon landing in their lifetime.
I say this for those unsure of what you mean.
First flight was 1903. Soviets put an object on Moon in 1959. Only 56 years later. US put men on the Moon in 1969. Only 66 years later.
Yes, wondering about powered flight to moon landing in a lifetime.
What he should have corrected “how often aliens” to “how many aliens” for it to make sense.
I understood the question and the correlation to our own species and I do wonder how many aliens developed in the way we did
@@ionxtandstuff2308 Nah, I was talking about frequency, not hard numbers. Often is the better fit.
Question is about whether we are an exception or not in the speed of progression of one to the other.
Sadly we get nerfed every couple of centuries with the dark ages. Humanity gets through every 1,000 years of dark ages where we don't do anything that is considered advancement
Aliens : Soon as we touch down on the Human planet, we got attacked by towering monstrosities
Humains : That's what you get when you choose to drop your troops right in the middle of a Grizzly reserve area. Was a good show tho.
😂😂😂😂😂
... And they still where more luckier, then their poor friends, whom landed in Australia...
the idea of aliens landing on a planet over 2X their gravity is loony, then there's the low oxygen, which if the Cavahr are insect like, they likely need a much higher oxygen than earth provides, unless they developed a similar breathing system as vertebrates. also they need to hope they don't taste like shell fish, cause you KNOW there's gonna be that one guy who's gonna try it.
I doubt they rely on oxygen as the text said they ingest large amounts of heavy metal in particular mercury something that tends to clog our systems perhaps they breath a different gas such as ammonia
The author made a point of how small humans are compared to other sapient species, so I very much doubt that a grizzly bear would “tower” over them.
while i like what im seeing every time i hear 'yellow sun' i curse superman as 'stupidman' because our star is only 'yellow' due to our atmosphere filtering it, its a White Star outside of the atmposphere
It's currently classified as a quiet green type
Technically it’s wavelength is strongest in the yellow-green area, but since it’s so bright all around it just seems white.
@@draxomega yes, our star is actually green. Just learned this recently and it kinda blew my mind. I was talking with my son about it last week.
I didnt believe this. I double checked its true.
The first superman comic was written 19 years before the satellite launch so when he was written the only way to observe the sun was through the filter of our atmosphere so as far as the writers knew the sun was yellow.
Humanity steps onto the galactic stage, prepared for everyone's shock that anyone could survive on such a terrifying Hell World. Instead they are shocked when the astonishment shown is instead at the idea that such a perfect paradise of a Garden World could ever exist, a place more peaceful and nurturing to its inhabitants than anywhere in any galaxy. Over and over humanity finds their expectations defied. We're a warlike race that's committed horrendous atrocities? The most peaceful races out there are comparable at best. Our world is bombarded with solar flares? Small enough to be deemed irrelevant in comparison to the superflares most stars belch out with terrifying frequency. Our coasts are bombarded with powerful cyclones while smaller but still terrifying storms ravage the landscape further inland? Many planets suffer nonstop storms that would be a category ten by our own hurricane strength categorization. Our land is hit frequently with earthquakes and volcanoes? What planet isn't? Everything from our culture to our land, our wildlife to our climate, is so mild that "Paradise" is the only word that can possibly be used to describe it. On top of all that, our system is encased in layer after layer of powerful barriers that prevent radiation and other dangerous material from making its way in.
Upon learning everything about our race, the galaxy at large is quick to dismiss us. How could a race so coddled by its mother world amount to anything? The only reason we experience peace is because everyone knows that if anyone tries to take this pristine treasure the result will be all-out war between all races. Over time, however, opinions begin to change. One death-worlder brings several "adventurous" individuals to their own homeworld, showing them the horrors they lived in. The regions ravaged by environmental conditions too inhospitable for any to tempt, where none had ever been foolish enough to venture. Regions inhabited solely by monsters so powerful that none to this day had ever dared even contemplate any action save flight. The adventurous souls immediately began planning, and within three years had set off on an expedition. All died. Though the aliens struggled to hide this, in no time all humanity knew of this incident. Two years later three expeditions arrived. All perished in one group, half in another that barely managed to return after a hasty retreat, and the third aborted very shortly. Over and over, more and more people arrived, and more survived while piercing deeper into the unknown. After less than a decade, this region that had remained uncharted save for glimpses through the clouds from satellites was fully mapped and conquered, and one adventurer now had the heads of several of these monsters mounted on his ship. He renamed his ship the "Ripley", claiming that the creatures were nearly identical to those of an ancient story from his world, albeit about fifty times taller.
When the galaxy saw the heavenly garden world that had raised humanity, they scoffed at what such a pampered race could possibly achieve. Now, a century later, they realize the one thing they hadn't considered: on such a planet, where even the harshest climate was conquerable with astoundingly primitive technology, there is no concept of true futility. Humanity's world taught them to try harder, to always push further, but never taught them to give up, and as a result there was absolutely nothing they couldn't do.
Was this the plot of the above story?
Regardless, it's much better written than the first minute of the narration.
@@nathanegnew1923 No, not the plot of the above story at all. I just tire of all the "Earth is a hell/death world" when astronomy keeps showing more and more ways that ours is just about the most peaceful planet and system we can find.
@broEye1 much better written and interesting. Do more. :)
@@broEye1hey dude, that was really cool.
If you post on HFY, please tell us, I'd love to read more of what you write !
Agreed, the "Earth is a deathworld" trope is kinda tiring when evidence continues to show that our system is a near perfect mix of hospitable conditions. Just the right activity level of a star, just the right area of the galaxy, just the right position and size of gas giants to protect Earth, just the right kind of influence from the Moon, just the right distribution of surface resources and for aiding our future expansion, just right kind of neighboring planet. The only thing suboptimal for us is probably that the surface gravity is almost high enough to challenge development of space travel. Combined with the fermi paradox, it's hard not to conclude that we're likely just on an exceptionally rare garden world.
And in the end I can hear him saying we’re not trapped in this galaxy with you. You’re trapped in this galaxy with us ha ha ha, ha ha. And by the way, we love crab. 😂
Cavahr: We are from a Death World.
Humans: Lame!
Florida man and Aussie man will get together and have a blast on the Cavahr world.
"A BLAST YOU SAY?!" -Flordia man with gunpowder, and his pet gator name Rib.
They've declared war on us?
Ai'ght, release the war fluffs...
as the rest of the galaxy prepares to invade a class 29 hell world thinking its only a class 9 hell world ...oh dear oh dear
Or manage to try to get landing in Australia to begin with.
@@lyrigageforge3259 that might be classed as a class 45 hell world lol
@@lyrigageforge3259 "There's an isolated but large and empty island in the southern hemisphere that looks perfect for a staging ground."
Sorry b6uy aliens land in the Simpson we won't know until they build their 3rd city and if they can survive the heat, fires floods and snakes they are welcome if they join the S.E.S
@@lyrigageforge3259I like how Turtledove's Worldwar series subverts the Australia tropes because the Race are short bipedal lizards who evolved on a hot, mostly dry world and see Australia as prime real-estate.
"I hope we don't screw this galaxy too much"
Oh, don't worry, Kenneth. We will.
This for sure needs A continuing series
Agriculture actually developed seven times of its own accord
Debatable, actually. Sorry to reply to a 4 month old comment, but there's one huge unknown: how well did simple information travel via trade and inter-tribe contact? Based on discoveries of distant trade goods we know we underestimate how connected the ancient world was, just not by how much.
A relatively well-connected ancient world is one of my favourite conjectures and it explains a lot of otherwise confusing things.
@@tristanridley1601the ancient world was a good deal more connected than most think. But at the bare minimum agriculture developed two times (once in the new world, once in the old world) with the actual number most certainly being higher.
@@drdiabeetus4419every place humans lived has agriculture.
@@julesmasseffectmusic just because something is present in a location does not mean it was developed there.
@@drdiabeetus4419 so true that why every continent had exactly the same crops and each continent didn't have its own crops because they were all taken out of Africa when we left, after all walking across the artic to America was easy and you could take seeds there, same for the people that canoes to Australia.
Yup, class 7 hellworld, and the Cavahr attack - only to discover we have places like Death Valley, Antarctica, and Australia, and we're inviting their forces to meet us there....
With an already stated gravity more than twice their homeworld's, we would be liikong at orbital bombardment as any boots on the ground would be very weak without any kind of cybernetic enhancement or mech suits to make up the difference.
@@driverr988 Yup, that too. So our space defenses would be put to the test. I that regard, it'd be a different matter, although I suspect our cyber warfare and goodness knows what else would be taking a terrible toll on the attackers.
Not all of Australia is really dangerous. Just like Death Valley is in California.
@@anonanonymous1988 Yup, plus parts of Africa and especially South America are actually worse than Australia in terms of dangerous wildlife (though Australia is of course nothing to laugh at but get's a bit overhyped by the internet).
@free4fire Right, poison dart frogs are probably the most deadly land animals. They touch you, and you're dead.
The human went easy; Never spoke about Ice Ages, micro novas, or a whole bunch of things like the regular extinction schedule of our planet.
Good stuff. Keep up the good work. I'm glad this fanclub has such professional VA/Narrators
What else are we to do in are spare time?
17:00 the “I hope we don’t screw this galaxy too much “🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
In the end, we, as humans. Did infant, screw this galaxy up too much.
Every time persistence hunting comes up I remember a side character from a superhero comic whose only power was that he NEVER grew tired.
People treated it like it was a joke power, especially since he was a bit of a brickhead. That is, until he fought a classmate who couldn't knock him out with one hit, and his opponent grew increasingly frantic as he realized that this guy just wasn't going to stop until he won the battle.
I might be misreading this, but that line possibly suggests that humanity has expanded outside the Milky Way . . . let’s hope the aliens are paying close attention . . .
which one? I think the far from the core only refers to our place in the outer 3rd of the galactic arm
You misread this. It suggests most races evolved at the core, we're at the middle of the orion arm, next to furthest out.
I'm a little disappointed that they didn't have to expand that scale to 1-15.
They don't yet have a category for "humans live there" in their classification index.
They always end so early I would love to hear the extremely extended version of this
Well, the Cavahr should think again about their idea of initiating a preemptive war to wipe out humanity... Starting such a war may end up in their own extinction.
Bugs I can understand, scary little shits. But Otters?? Curious yes, devious no... Beavers TOTALLY!!!
I’ve always wondered how the hell such milquetoast species would ever make it into space.
Lower gravity worlds would perhaps find it easier to get into space, less escape velocity needed. Also, low gravity species would likely adapt to the lack of gravity in space more easily.
@@SerunaXI But would they be hardy enough to survive other dangers? Lower gravity means lower compaction of frame. Less stocky, less endurance.
Loving the premise, but I would have to add that the last cpmmon ancestor with another great ape was 7 million years ago, with many subsequent species coming in. Homo Erectus, iirc, was from about 1.8 mya to 180,000 years ago
Yeah, I have objected to this authors view on Evolution before. He seems to think it was a bunch of stop/starts before suddenly just stopping rather than the continuous and still ongoing process it actually is. Its a very simplistic, and quite incorrect view of Evolution, and given I am a marine/Evolutionary Ecologist that drives me up the wall! Stopped listening soon as I recognised the story.....
@alganhar1 I'm a Linguist and my anthropological background truly wishes more consideration was given to the field as, like you, it is such a rich field to simplify and mislead on
Now imagine an alien race that does manage to take over and control humanity, but did not or forgot to prepare for the endemic life forms and microbes. Like imagine one of us gets sick of fever, they sneeze, and the poor alien guarding them whose immune system is woefully unprepared for the common flu, dies of disease.
War of the Worlds by H.G. Wells.
One of the oldest and most iconic conerstones in alien invasion literature.
Wait a minute Is it 10 million planetary rotations just 10 million Planet days?
Yeah, I think so too since 'cycles' is usually years.
Planetary rotations are days and solar rotations are years
Nope, I think they mean years, but are just shirking normal Conventions, otherwise the Chavar wouldn't have been terrified by the thought of us evolving to space flight in 2.6 million years.
The author probably meant revolutions instead of rotations. An easy enough mistake to make.
Maybe the planet is tidally locked?
And what about all the non-predator species that are VERY territorial? Hippos anyone? Rhinos are another example. Ungulates on many continents, especially in rutting season, being another. The list goes on.
I love the specific voice you do, it fits so well!
I enjoy all of NetNarrator videos 🎉😅😊
I want to hear more of that. Thank you.
PRAISE BE TO KENNETH!
The writers understanding of evolution, as well as basic logic and math is very lacking.
"Top 200 Apex Predators on the newly discovered Terra! Number 25 will shock you!"
That was a decent book report. B+
The farming part is not quite right. Your old school textbook might say 3 places, but there has been a lot of new work by archaeologists on this in the last few decades that hasn't made it into every textbook yet.
Agriculture is thought to have independently developed in way more than 3 places. Wikipedia lists at least 11 different regions of Earth where agriculture developed.
Yep every time they say this'll rewrite the history books it does not as we still have some in circulation going to students from the 60s so hardly anyone will know beyond the people who found the xyz in question. And anyone who knows the new info will be labeled woke, a re-writer of history, or making up propaganda or lies.
The indigenous Ozzies had at least stage 1 agriculture, burn shit down so better shit regrows and attracts better prey, and scatter seeds so when you come back whatever it was is there, avoiding the flood seasons means permanent settlements aren't viable either. Also many ozzie marsupials only breed when food is plenty and there aren't of a lot of that species so farming them isn't viable.
Start of the story is a bit weird since it bounces between first and 3rd person mid paragraph in it's narrative style.
Also, for 2.6 million of our years to be 1.8 million of theirs, we'd need a SHORTER, not longer, orbital year. As for them to have less years in the same period of time, they need to have a longer/larger orbit around their sun..
Me: *sees aliens landing*, oh shit!
Also me: are they bulletproof?
"This" Galaxy, not "our" Galaxy?
If you asked me hfy tend to over exaggerate how deadly earth is. Another question i like to ask is how a species managed to evolved to sapience in a garden world without any hardship
This story isn’t implying that at least not directly it talks of neutral worlds at most planets that have predators and limitations but the pressure of getting eaten is far less than other environments
"My name is Kenneth..." *cue Veitnam flashbacks ro Rockmania*
Hell World? Feels like Paradise.
"This galaxy" that means the humans on this are extra galactic explores
I find it funny how, once an author defined humanity as a persistence hunter species, everyone started using it as a shock value to aliens in their stories too.
there's a couple of logical/continuity flaws in the writing.
1) not monkeys, apes.
2) if our year was longer than theirs, the timeframe upon moving to Cavahr years would show more Cavahr years, not less. so earth must have a shorter year than cavahr. (example, if 1 earth year was 10% longer than a Cavahr year, then every 10 earth years, there would be 11 Cavahr years, the writing seems to show this the other way around, earth having a longer year, but somehow 2.6 million earth years = 1.8 million cavahr... can't be both longer and 2/3rds the duration.)
otherwise, good story.
Sorry, but given its reliance on an abysmally poor understanding of how Evolution actually works I disagree. Its a terrible story. The idea is fine, but given how much he relies on Evolution for it then he would have been well advised to actually have an understanding of how it actually works.
Human Evolution is not a series of stop starts, its a continuous and still ongoing process. There are times it may speed up (such as after the harnessing of fire), and times it has slowed down, but it has never *stopped*.
Even since the arrival of modern man we have evolved, and there is plenty of evidence for this. Lactose tolerance for example only evolved a few thousand years ago, probably due to a mutation. Sickle Cell Anaemia evolved within the last 5000 years as well. Green eyes, blonde and red hair, white skin, epicanthal folds, I could go on, but needless to say that human evolution is still ongoing.
I would hardly be surprised given the relatively high population mobility these days that we are entering a period of slowdown, but as I said earlier, slow does not mean it has stopped.
@@alganhar1
you should probably re-read the content.
it appears you have misunderstood.
literally the only thing it relies on is a timeframe, not an in depth understanding of evolution. The timeframe doesn't seem that far out.
@davidaward82 What I'm curious about is whether that abysmal explanation of our evolution is Watsonian or Doyleist in nature.
Meaning, is it Kenneth intentionally misinforming the council (which doesn't make sense if we gave them access to all the information about us) or is it the author not knowing the reality?
Y’all do know that it’s a science fiction story right?
@@Lawleygagger that's no excuse for getting the real science put in it wrong.
Agriculture was developed separately 9 times of which we are aware.
This story starts out good but when it starts to talk about persistence hunting it all goes down hill from there. That's where it becomes completely unscientific.
Wait "THIS galaxy" that implies that they have been to other galaxies
The math doesn't add up. Humans evolved in 2.3 million years, but our years are longer than the Cavahr which means it calculates to 1.8million years there...um...if our year is linger, then they have more years in the same time, there for the number of Cavahr years should be higher than the earth years not lower.
yup that was a silly mistake. bothered me too
12:44 if an earth year is longer.. it would result in more Cavahrs years, not less.
Alien joins the top galactic police force, the men in black who round up dangerous aliens used as hunting beasts and for zoos.
Eventually he has to return a creature to its homeworld which is where the. MIB was founded.
He lands approaches a native sapeient looks at him and says I now know why we're are called the men in black and the native sapeient replies
Nah mate that's a translation error were black fella now give us our dingo back.
Psst. The genus _Homo_ seems to have originated around three million years ago, and anatomically modern humans appear in the fossil record only about 200k years ago.
And the Cavarh are making the assumption that we are still on one planet....with no fleet....and zero ability to defend OR attack.
Am I crazy or did you post this sometime before too? I swear I've heard you read this exact story before
So humanity was kicked out of garden Eden. We are not quite in hell yet, but I guess its similar compared to eden.
are u going to narrate part 2? or did u already and i just cant find it?
12:43 If the earth year is longer that the aliens then the aliens time scale would be longer, not shorter. Think miles and kilometers. Mile is longer than kilometer so 100 miles is about 160 kilometers.
Yes , Homo-Sapiens IS one of the Finest " Running Beasts " on the Planet .
Not the fastest but pretty quick nonetheless , and we CAN indeed outdistance ANYTHING else . Horse included . But NOT the Dog .
Which is probably why we evolved the ability to whistle and shout "Here Boy". 🙂
Humans could be summed up with this “ in our ancient times our ancestors killed and ate our gods the various other gods were horrified and so they banned integration of the human race from becoming a star god “
- Well... For us, humans, the Earth is heaven. Hell? Hell was our sister planet Venus. Heat enough to melt lead. Crush pressure. Sulfuric acid rain... Still. We build small settlements there... for terraforming purposes. Now is not so different from our homeworld. Pretty place, although too hot for my taste. Very... "jungly"
Anyway... it's just one of our thousand terraformed worlds...
- Wait... wait... wait... A thousand! There is no system with a thousand planets!
- Of course not. In fact, most of them are just the unique terraformed planet in their systems. As for now, humankind has build some kind of colonies across 2344 stars around our home star.
- What! That's more than... But we have contacted just one decade ago! You said that you invented the FTL engine just now!
- Ah... That's require a clarification. Yes... We are a little... ashamed, that take us a couple of centuries and a half to develop a functional FTL, although we have a good excuse. There is a couple high speed rotating blackholes, just 25 years light from our star. This stellar formation generates a distortion that make all our FTL tries to fail, and we though, incorrectly, that the problem was our current understanding of physics, so we developed a different approach. Through sublight ships, we have colonized across a hundred years.light around, and connected our worlds via "stargate"... sorry, that term probably won't translate well... Just say teleportation through controlled micro-wormholes.
- What the heck! Is that even possible?
- Only after reach a place farther away from the distorsione, we understood the problem around our FTL engines, and then we developed a functional model. And... here we are. So... if you intended to visit our homeworld, just take this into consideration, or your ships will stop in the middle of the void. Not a fun thing to happen, I assure you.
- STOP THE INVASION!
Wait, if the rotation in Earth is SLOWER than in the Cavahr homeworld, don't it means that it should convert to more time instead of less?
Like, if A rotates 1 time every 20t and B rotates 1 time every 15t, when A completes 1 rotation, B will be in 1 and a third of another . . . . .
How could 2.6 million years on a slowly-rotating planet correspond to 1.8 million years on a fast-rotating one ?
An Earth year is 365 days ( duh ). It has a longer year than Venus, at 225 days.
So for example ten years is 3650 days on Earth, divided by 225 days, equals 16.22 Venus years.
A short orbit means more years for a given length of time, not less.
That's it ! I'm reporting this to Neil De Grasse Tyson.
Czn you do it azap
I want a nerd otter as a friend 🧡
Earth a hellworld. Not quite.
Ulg, hate the humans evolved from monkeys line that's always misused. Both humans and monkeys evolved from the same hominid. Monkeys are not our ancestors.
Not quite. Apes and monkeys shared a monkey like ancestor around 24 million years ago, modern apes and hominids shared a common ape like ancestor some 7 million years ago. Notice the like in both those ancestors, they may have been ape or monkey like but they were NOT modern apes or monkeys! That is an important distinction.
But we will
Imagine thinking we're going to go to the galactic Senate and be cool or special in any way
I’m highly disappointed to get a United North America instead of the Canada, US, Mexico alliance.
If Earth has a LONGER revolution, then converting 2.6m earth years into Kavar years would result in a HIGHER number, not lower.
Think about it. Americans use miles, which is a longer unit than the kilometer. If an American converted the 2600 miles that America stretches into French km for a French speaker, it would be 4200 km.
Kenneth is a liar or bad at math.
Not terrible, but man reading this as a biologist makes me want to scream.
Why is this the end of the story? D:
Cool story but, holy shit, the author does not understand evolution. It makes the human speaker come across as a bit ridiculous.
For the love of GOD(S)! Humans are APES. We evolved from APES, not monkeys! There is a difference people. Otherwise, good story.
So i know this doesn't really do anything to say it here but the stories math is wrong. Humans started their journey of evolution 2.3 million years priot to current events. 300k years ago humans came to be modern humans or the closest aproximation. That 300k would be in that 2.3 million meaning that it was still 2.3 million, not 2.6 million.
nope 100k = 0.1 mill so 2.3 and 0.3 is indeed 2.6
@@abelboronkai448 you are adding the two numbers when it is clear one of the numbers is already a part of another. This is just a version of that dumb math problem where a guy over pays for something, someone keeps part of the change and ends up walking away with a higher number than should be possible.
@@blackblade99009 The vid said humans needed 2,3 mill to evolve into modern humans. Than another 300k to be in the present. Modern human means our history. From the mezopotamian through egypt and rome and the medieval ages to Our present which is still the past in this story.
I think your mistake is this but i aint gonna rewatch the vid so if it said otherwise you may be right. I just remember 2,3 mill to modern humans which doesnt mean present
the protagonist syndrome is strong on this one
meh resolution
Imagine if the humans sent a fundamentalist creationist instead.
Our ancestors weren't born from monkeys we were born from mammals
Anyone else realize the human rep said “this galaxy”?
The author has lacking understanding of biology.
or math
I hate this story. Who else sees what I do?
What is it that you don't like
Which part, humans being overpowered bullshit, or the author deciding to go against Convention, and use planetary rotations instead of cycles to mean a year.
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 i can understand the op bs, but the ratation/cycle thing is just being really picky with your food
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178welcome to HFY, where humans are op and ppl are sick of all of the "humans suck"stories that litter media.
@@oranges_areblue I don't think either are awful, just asking OP which part is annoying him. It's HFY, humanity is meant to be strong there.