This would of been 8 alarms in New York City. They might be very advanced in Japan but their fire fighting leaves a lot to be desired. I guess eventually it will burn it's self out.
Its true that the frontal attack on the fire was poorly executed, even by Japanese standards. However there is most likely additional units in the rear/side that we don't see from one camera angle. For those saying "a few American ladder trucks would work better", that may be true. However they don't fit on most roads. That's a main street that happens to be multiple lanes wide. Most are 1 lane each way & not even close to the American standard of 10-12ft wide either. Don't even think about side streets. "Why don't the police block traffic?" Quite simply, its not to inconvenience those drivers & bus routes. Japanese go out of their way not to create additional hardships for others, as its part of their culture. Additionally, the PD aren't always that big & have sufficient personal available to assist the FD. Videos like this are great training tools and nice reminders to us Americans that we should never take our paid & volunteer FD services for granted!
Size of vehicles is not that a big problem. European firetrucks are on average smaller then American ones, but store as much equipment (they are usually taller and much more tightly packed). Also western European firefighters are way more efficient than these morons, and in many cases than even their American colleagues. It is possible to fight fires with compact firetrucks, but you need skills and equipment. Yes, no giant American style tower/ladder trucks, but where are your f*cking aerials? Let them be a dedicated ones (two man crew, no pump, minimum tools, foldable platform), these would definitely fit even on Japanese streets, but there is none, lots of tiny engines and no aerial. Also it seems, that only crews of two engines are actually fighting the fire, with only two hoses. And of course, no deck guns, no portable monitors, nothing like that. In fact, I haven't seen any video where Japanese firefighters performed well. I have seen lots of moronic American firefighters in action, as well as some good ones, lots of videos where European (Dutch, British, German, even Russian) firefighters were performing excellently, with some rare mishaps. But Japanese were all awful. Maybe you are right and its culture, they don't want to disturb other people, even when lives and great material damage are at stakes, also it may be influence of Confucian culture that discourages improvisation, taking responsibility and making decisions in critical moments, I don't know. But I'm sure that people have certainly died because of this shit.
After watching many videos of structural fire scenes, I can say that Japan's firefighters are the worst firefighters there are on planet earth. It makes no sense to see them operate. They have no intervention strategies.
Wth...Why does it take so long for the firefighters to respond? If this is in Japan, it is the 3rd video I've watched where a fire has ripped through a building due to slow response. All 3 vids are in urban areas and should have resources there pretty quickly. Are fire stations spread out too far? Then it took them a while to get water on the fire.🔥🔥🔥
4minutes (‼️) to get water on the hose is extremely bad performance from a professional point of view... some of the firefighters just running helpless back and forth.. unbelievable 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Probably got a dozen trucks and crews....and I only see two attack lines. MAYBE there may be a few in the rear....If this is all the attack that is going to be made, why send so many units?
Questions: Where are the police for traffic control/ Where are the truck companies to set up in front of the building and use ladder pipes to extinguish the fire and protect exposures?
I’m no expert on structural firefighting tactics, but it seems to me that an American-style pumper with a deck gun could have knocked down the majority of the fire within a couple of minutes. Even a Japanese pumper could be equipped with a deck gun and deliver about 500 gpm for an initial knockdown or exposure protection. I wonder if any effort was made after the video ended to cover exposures B and D.
The road in this video is one of the wide in Japan. However, many Japanese houses are built close to very narrow roads. Large fire engines, such as those equipped with deck guns in the US, cannot penetrate most Japanese residential areas. Therefore, the basic tactic for fighting fires in Japan is to use a number of small pump trucks and water from hydrants. In Japan, large fire engine with deck guns are only equiped at fire stations in factory areas or near airports.
Why the hell are you people commenting more concerned about the traffic than the fact they didn't get water onto the fire till 3 mins 45 sec AFTER ARRIVAL. That is simply disgraceful by anyone's standards. 😡😡 到着後3分45秒まで火に水が入らなかったという事実よりも、交通についてもっと心配しているとコメントしているのはなぜですか。それは、誰の基準から見ても恥ずべきことです。😡😡
Firefighting in Japan is not necessarily a matter of a fast first attack because of the high density of buildings and wooden structures. In addition, Japanese firefighters tend to focus on preventing the spread of fire in general structure fires.
No traffic management during the video, at the very least park appliances across the road, not safe for the crews or general public, was even people on bikes riding through the some. Imagine if that front wall had a partial collapse, lots of little fire trucks there, hope they got a ladder platform in.
Get a platform in!!!! By the time that arrives if these clowns are anything to go by they would only have a parking lot instead of a building. This was simply a disgrace that it took 3min 45 secs to get water on after arrival, an arrival that took five minute from the start of the video not the time of call. These guys have a shit, shower and shampoo before they even bother to mount their appliances. I have seen some good, some bad, some awful and some brilliant firefighting around the world but these guys have to be the worst by far despite having an embarrassment of modern equipment. Absolutely shameful.
And How do you want to fight this kind of fire without aerial truck? Just Impossible. How I you gonna send your man on both roof? And close at least half of the street.
@@user-ni6su3ie6v Why did it take almost 4 minutes to get one jet to work???? Is that normal too?? It took 5 mins from the start of the video to arrive not from the time of call. They spend so long messing and running about the appliance room like chickens with their heads cut off rather than mounting the appliance and responding, WHY???
お巡りさん火の粉が飛散しているから野次馬に離れてくださいの前に消火活動に邪魔になる一般車両に対する通行止めをするのが、最優先だと思う。
こういうことが起きて見たい人が来て交通量が増えるのがなんとも言えん
道路封鎖しないんだ・・・
条条大路通罗马。
ですよね😊
燃え盛る建物の目の前で路線バスやらスクーターまでもが信号待ちしてるの何というか…
こういう時ってロードブロックしないもんなのかな？
消防車が一車線占領してるし、京都は迂回路があるから。
amazing. how the traffic still runs through the scene. no road blockings
何で交通規制をかけんのだ、遅い！
警察との連携が全く取れてない。
燃え盛って、火の粉飛んでるのに、よくもまぁ。。通れるわな。
Why didn't they block the traffic??? It's such a hazard for drivers and firefighters!
火災は怖いですね
火には気をつけてほしいですね
京都消防は延焼阻止大変ですね。お疲れ様です👍🚒‼️
この車規制のなさにきょうがく
フラッシオーバー発生までの過程が克明に映されている
されてたで。なんなら、最終的に四条大宮から規制されてたし。
警察なにも役たってないはやく道路封鎖しろ⤴️⤴️くれまのながれがおおすぎる消火ホースがこれじゃのばせれませんね😣😣
この動画は消防への連絡が済んでいることを確認した上で撮影しています。
住民に怪我人はいません。延焼もありませんでした。
え、これで延焼がなかったんですか？？
これ見る限り延焼してません？左側見てもらうとわかりますが。諸に延焼してますよ！
いや延焼はしてるだろ
7:26くらいに出てくる女性絶対服とか髪少しダメージ受けてるだろうなぁ
This would of been 8 alarms in New York City. They might be very advanced in Japan but their fire fighting leaves a lot to be desired. I guess eventually it will burn it's self out.
消防の現着から放水に時間が掛かりすぎのなのも問題だが、警察の交通規制の出来なさすぎが呆れた。燃え盛る火災現場の前で乗り合いの路線バスが信号待ちとか。京都人はここまでおっとりなのか？
ま、こんなもんでしょう。
前の道路通行止めに出来ないんですかね
作業の邪魔です。
什么叫呼风唤雨呢？
警察さっさと交通規制しろよな～見ててイライラする
早い段階で規制すると消防の到着も遅れる可能性がありますよ
火「えいいっえいっ」
窓ガラス「ぎゃああああっ」
一階は、燃えてませんね。
初動云々の意見もあるけど、通報から最初の放水まで５分以内など、どの地域の消防団でも実施困難。とくに民家の場合、どのような火災でも発火数分以内での所有者による消化器使用やスプリンクラー設備の稼働がないと、火炎が天井に達した時点で鎮圧は事実上困難。ゴミ屋敷状態ならなおさら。あとは隣接家屋への延焼防止が最優先です。さらに、ただ水を火元に噴射するだけでなく風圧をどの方向にかけるかなど、作戦判断に一定の時間は必要。そのうえで鎮圧にかかるので、外見はモタモタしているように見えるが、一軒で済んだといえましょう。ただ、京都でもだんだん少なくなってきた「町家」が、持ち主の不注意でまた消えたということです。あと、この程度の火災で四条通は封鎖できないでしょう。
ここにコメントされている日本に住んでいない人は日本の道路の幅を知っていますか？日本の細い道路ではタワートラックを運用したり、1車線だけで稼働させるのはあまり現実的ではありません。日本は消防車の質(大きさ)ではなく量(必要な資機材を小さい車両に分散させて積む)に重点を置いています。
Its true that the frontal attack on the fire was poorly executed, even by Japanese standards. However there is most likely additional units in the rear/side that we don't see from one camera angle.
For those saying "a few American ladder trucks would work better", that may be true. However they don't fit on most roads. That's a main street that happens to be multiple lanes wide. Most are 1 lane each way & not even close to the American standard of 10-12ft wide either. Don't even think about side streets.
"Why don't the police block traffic?" Quite simply, its not to inconvenience those drivers & bus routes. Japanese go out of their way not to create additional hardships for others, as its part of their culture.
Additionally, the PD aren't always that big & have sufficient personal available to assist the FD.
Videos like this are great training tools and nice reminders to us Americans that we should never take our paid & volunteer FD services for granted!
Size of vehicles is not that a big problem. European firetrucks are on average smaller then American ones, but store as much equipment (they are usually taller and much more tightly packed). Also western European firefighters are way more efficient than these morons, and in many cases than even their American colleagues. It is possible to fight fires with compact firetrucks, but you need skills and equipment.
Yes, no giant American style tower/ladder trucks, but where are your f*cking aerials? Let them be a dedicated ones (two man crew, no pump, minimum tools, foldable platform), these would definitely fit even on Japanese streets, but there is none, lots of tiny engines and no aerial. Also it seems, that only crews of two engines are actually fighting the fire, with only two hoses. And of course, no deck guns, no portable monitors, nothing like that.
In fact, I haven't seen any video where Japanese firefighters performed well. I have seen lots of moronic American firefighters in action, as well as some good ones, lots of videos where European (Dutch, British, German, even Russian) firefighters were performing excellently, with some rare mishaps. But Japanese were all awful.
Maybe you are right and its culture, they don't want to disturb other people, even when lives and great material damage are at stakes, also it may be influence of Confucian culture that discourages improvisation, taking responsibility and making decisions in critical moments, I don't know. But I'm sure that people have certainly died because of this shit.
you have a lot of knowledge
I admire
After watching many videos of structural fire scenes, I can say that Japan's firefighters are the worst firefighters there are on planet earth. It makes no sense to see them operate.
They have no intervention strategies.
四条消防出張所があったら、目と鼻の先だから、火掛りも早かっただろうな。
住人は無事だったんでしょうか？
火災発生すぐに避難してはったよ。
規制しない警察おかしい！二次災害をおかしかねない！ 一般車両を迂回させるべき！消化活動のじゃま！
Wth...Why does it take so long for the firefighters to respond? If this is in Japan, it is the 3rd video I've watched where a fire has ripped through a building due to slow response. All 3 vids are in urban areas and should have resources there pretty quickly. Are fire stations spread out too far? Then it took them a while to get water on the fire.🔥🔥🔥
4minutes (‼️) to get water on the hose is extremely bad performance from a professional point of view... some of the firefighters just running helpless back and forth.. unbelievable 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
最初は煙がモクモクしてて段々と火が顔をだしてあっという間に上の部分が火に包まれた。
火事の怖さを知りました。
Probably got a dozen trucks and crews....and I only see two attack lines. MAYBE there may be a few in the rear....If this is all the attack that is going to be made, why send so many units?
なんだか水が細い気がしますが....これが普通なんでしょうか。
この火災動画撮影をされた方は、本当に最初の黒煙が出始め炎が屋根上から噴出した時まではまだ消防車がきていません。
おそらく5分や7分前後経過していると思います。
京都消防はおそらく、火災地点到着までは5分程度で先着隊が到着するように計画されていると思いますが。
火災は水が如何に早く出て放水出来るのが勝負です。
警察が無能すぎ💢💢
さっさと交通規制かけろや！！
警察来てからはすぐに規制されてたで。なんなら、四条大宮から規制されてたし
『警察が無能すぎ』 ほんまや！
Questions: Where are the police for traffic control/ Where are the truck companies to set up in front of the building and use ladder pipes to extinguish the fire and protect exposures?
2022年6月22日京都市四条の火災何時頃ちんかしましたか初めまして松波
I’m no expert on structural firefighting tactics, but it seems to me that an American-style pumper with a deck gun could have knocked down the majority of the fire within a couple of minutes. Even a Japanese pumper could be equipped with a deck gun and deliver about 500 gpm for an initial knockdown or exposure protection. I wonder if any effort was made after the video ended to cover exposures B and D.
blitz attack with deck gun
I think it's a necessary tactic for Japan in the future.
japan does things differently then we do in the states and there fire engines ain't big enough to have a deck gun
The road in this video is one of the wide in Japan. However, many Japanese houses are built close to very narrow roads. Large fire engines, such as those equipped with deck guns in the US, cannot penetrate most Japanese residential areas. Therefore, the basic tactic for fighting fires in Japan is to use a number of small pump trucks and water from hydrants. In Japan, large fire engine with deck guns are only equiped at fire stations in factory areas or near airports.
生まれて2回目です。消防車が来る前の火事は。
この火災は鎮火するまで明朝まで掛かったみたいです。恐らく向かえバス辺りから撮影されたと思いますが、四条通りは警察来るまで普通にバスや車が走ってますが民間裏手に走ってる嵐電がどうなってたか気になります(動画の一部に嵐電の事話てる音声が😲)
この事案なら即座に警察に通報しましょう
僕の家も近いのでみましたがずっと煙あがってましたよね
火事やでえ！
通行者たち：ほんでえ？
裏側も気になるね。
初動が遅いな～と思うのは…自分だけなんですかね😂😂😂
消火活動してるのがホース1本ってのも気になるところですね😂😂😂
Japan is shocking me. Pumper pulling up within the collapse zone? No Aerial device? Very disappointed in Japan. Lets keep the traffic flowing.
隣の人途中まで気づいてないやん💦
右の家、電気ついたよな。
うｐ主「住民の無事を確認した(ｷﾘｯ」
普通向こう三軒両隣まで声がけするよな…？
爆発の可能性あり
燃え盛る見た目の炎に目もくれず，建物内部に突入して消火するアメリカンスタイル
何故、車を止めないの？
通行止めにしないと、燃えてる前で普通のバスとまってるし。
Why the hell are you people commenting more concerned about the traffic than the fact they didn't get water onto the fire till 3 mins 45 sec AFTER ARRIVAL. That is simply disgraceful by anyone's standards. 😡😡
到着後3分45秒まで火に水が入らなかったという事実よりも、交通についてもっと心配しているとコメントしているのはなぜですか。それは、誰の基準から見ても恥ずべきことです。😡😡
They could use some tower trucks.
Firefighting in Japan is not necessarily a matter of a fast first attack because of the high density of buildings and wooden structures. In addition, Japanese firefighters tend to focus on preventing the spread of fire in general structure fires.
Bravo aux pompiers Japonais 👍👍😉 .
放水一本、交通規制なし、こんなので重文の火災とか大丈夫か？
事故の時は早く火災の時はなぜな遅いパトカーの対応
よく出火直後から撮影出来ましたね😲
反应要迅速！
No deck gun, no ladders, no aerial?
到着が遅いとか消火が遅いとか交通規制かけろとか好き放題言ってる奴いるけど、その道のプロがやってることに文句つけられるほどの知識、技量を持ってるのか？
火元の建物は全焼するのは明らかで無駄な作業をするより延焼を防ぐことのほうが大事。
この道は歩道もあるし消防車で1車線塞ぐだけで十分。路線バスも走ってるし規制すれば逆に大混乱に陥る。
まぁ知識、技量がないから好き放題言ってるんだと思いますよ！ 自分も団員として現場に行きますが。やっぱり野次馬からの文句は飛んできますよ笑 心の中ではど素人が偉そうな事言うな！何ならお前が火消ししてみろって思ってますよ笑
東京は環状線でも即通行止めにする！交通事情よりも消火活動が優先だからな！もしかすると逃げ遅れの人がいるかも知れない。そんな状況でバス会社をはじめ自分の車を止められて文句言う奴がいるかいな。居たら当然世間から猛批判喰らうわ。
自分もそう思う…
消防の到着や行動が遅いとか、警察は無能やとか…
なんも解らんと見た目だけで好き放題コメってる奴ら、自分らが一回やってみればええ…
絶対にパニックになるから…
とくに警察はは無能や…とかほざいてる奴、自分になんかあっても絶対に警察頼るなよ！って思う…
No traffic management during the video, at the very least park appliances across the road, not safe for the crews or general public, was even people on bikes riding through the some. Imagine if that front wall had a partial collapse, lots of little fire trucks there, hope they got a ladder platform in.
Get a platform in!!!! By the time that arrives if these clowns are anything to go by they would only have a parking lot instead of a building. This was simply a disgrace that it took 3min 45 secs to get water on after arrival, an arrival that took five minute from the start of the video not the time of call. These guys have a shit, shower and shampoo before they even bother to mount their appliances. I have seen some good, some bad, some awful and some brilliant firefighting around the world but these guys have to be the worst by far despite having an embarrassment of modern equipment. Absolutely shameful.
@@Biffo1262 You are right. 10 men running aroun doing nothing and not getting more than one hose in action.
消防車来るの遅いね‼️
警察が仕事しなさずぎw
さすが京都府警！立派だわ、税金泥棒っぷりが
And How do you want to fight this kind of fire without aerial truck? Just Impossible. How I you gonna send your man on both roof? And close at least half of the street.
A couple of American tower trucks would have been very handy.
こんなに消防車来てるのに、何で放水が一本なの？
中に何本も入っていったし、後ろからも放水してるはず。一本なわけない
現場遭遇したけど、歩道なんて、ホースだらけでしたよ
This fire was started by American B-29 Bombers.
警察の公道がトロい。最初の方からいるのに、なぜ規制掛けないのだ。田舎の警察は困る。
the response times and subsequent performance of the firefighters are outrageously bad!!!
So slowly acting..no no
さっさと通行止めにせんかいや、ポリ!!
Didn't know Japan is filled with NPCs
2022年6月22日まちかえましたただしくは6月19日京都市四条火災何時頃ちんかしましたか初めました松波
通行規制はしないは､放水が１線しかないのはおかしいでしょう、なぜ分岐を使わないのか疑問です、後、指揮車が三台なのでしょうか。指揮がバラバラでした。
One line, no ladder truck. All those guys, trucks and yelling adding up to nothing.
これが海外なら消防車🚒パトカー🚓で一般車両が通行出来ないように道路封鎖するけど…日本の場合は、消防署と警察署はバチバチだからなぁ😓
Pésima actuación. Por qué no cortaron el tránsito vehicular para dejar mayor espacio a los bomberos
The Japanese police are laid back when there is a fire.
ホース足りてなくね
一線出すのが遅く見えた。所轄警察の対応遅い。交通閉鎖早く。同じ無線、情報が入電しているはず。交差点で封鎖できるはず。対応甘い。
良くこういうシーンはとれたね。ある意味特ダネだよ
所詮京都やなぁ。消防も警察もくるのが遅い。こう云うのをおっとりしてるっていうのんかねぇ。
交通規制もせんと警察も消防も訓練してんのかい？
交通規制なかなかしない警察👎‼️💢💢💢消防には権限無し👎‼️💢💢💢
この動画に無いだけで、四条大宮から完全封鎖されてたよ
さすが京都、やる事なす事が遅いわー 危機感が全く感じられない仕事っぷり 通報から現着迄4分もかかってちゃダメダメでしょう
消防署の距離によりませんか？
普通やろ？まさか、一分で着くとか思ってんの？頭悪www裏手からも放水されてますよwなんもしらんのにディスるとかださすぎwww
@@メディック-c1d そうですね
ここの現場からは消防署や出張所が遠いため遅くなってしまったと思います
現着が4分で遅いって正気ですか？めちゃくちゃ早い方ですよ？ どこの消防もそうですけど、大体目安的には5分〜10分以内に着くように計画されてるんで、4分はめちゃくちゃ早いですよ？
警察は通行止めにしないなんておかしいし現場到着も遅い
この動画を投稿した貴方は火事に気づいてすぐに通報しなかったのでは…？
矛盾があり過ぎ❗
通報されてることが分かった後での撮影だそうです。
通報者は最初らへんに映ってるウーバー配達員。発生すぐに家の人は避難済。警察到着後は、四条大宮から完全封鎖されてましたよ。封鎖前に入った車のみ行かせてた
放水は建物を超えていて何の意味も無い。これでは火は消せない。あまりにもへたくそな活動だ。もっと訓練しなさい。
道路側の放水は警戒用の放水ですね。隣の建物の壁に当てて反射させて放水していたり、軒先の部分の落下危険があるところをあらかじめ落としたりしてますね。建物内部へ放水して炎を奥に押さないようにしたお手本のような放水でよく訓練されていると思いますよ。
消防戦術知らないモブで草。京都は町屋が多いから延焼しやすいねん。頭使おう！
延焼危険のある建物への放水の方が優先度高いんですよ笑、もっと勉強しなさい
貴方ももっと勉強しましょう！ど素人の人がこの道のプロに下手くそ？では君は完璧に出来ますか？ 貴方が下手くそとおっしゃってますが。指揮隊は色々戦略を練りつついかに最小限で鎮火できるかを考えて、各隊員に指示を出してるんで、ど素人はど素人なりに黙ってれば良いんですよ
消防遅くね
4:8 ちょい？？ここで最初のサイレンが聞こた
5分以内は普通。(現役消防士)
なったら分かるよ
厨房になったかも
@@user-ni6su3ie6v Why did it take almost 4 minutes to get one jet to work???? Is that normal too?? It took 5 mins from the start of the video to arrive not from the time of call. They spend so long messing and running about the appliance room like chickens with their heads cut off rather than mounting the appliance and responding, WHY???
火災の反対側から自転車を止めて”火事場’をみている人達が６ー７台。これには驚きました。何なのですかね。そして消防車の到着も遅いこと。消火活動ののろまさ。 しかも結構な火の手があがっているにも関らずホース一本。。。これではね。
動画撮影から５分で到着。何が遅いん？え、一分で着くとか思ってんの？w
あと、現場いましたけど、ホースだらけやし、裏手からも放水されてましたよ。
通報段階で各消防署に予告指令→その後に本指令その予告指令段階で署員は防火衣など着装し、本指令が入ったと同時に出動。 到着まで最低5分から10分は掛かりますよ。それでも早い方です。まぁこのコメントしてる人はど素人ですからね。何もわかんなくて当然ですが。 通報→予告→本指令で1分以内に現着は無理ですね。そもそも不可能です 目と鼻の先なら2分以内で着きますけど。