I’m going to post this for everyone here in the comments. #1 as I state several times this isn’t a video to dump on Joe. #2 and probably most important is that Joe and Cross are both human and deserve grace in their play. #3 I was frustrated with this match and the video reflects that. I understand that nerves of Joe, Cross and other variables could explain this match. However, there is so much wrong with it that if it seems that I’m piling on the criticism thickly throughout. It’s because it is actually that bad. It seems that it’s harsh because there is that much to point out. That’s why I made the video. That’s why it’s titled the way it is. I hope people understand that when watching it. Because for everyone who can rightfully understand the nerves or the lack of match up knowledge. There are others who felt their One Piece Nats was rigged. Both feelings are valid with the evidence that is in front of us despite what’s true.
cross didnt know the matchup and joe was very nervous and on stream, sometimes thats enough to make the match look like this. I know cross personally and he WOULD NEVER do something to put his play eligibility at risk. Lets show both of these players some grace, its unfortunate how out of proportion this has got.
@@AwakenedTCG I even say I believe that he wouldn’t. That’s why I gave the context I did to try and clear his name. And assert I don’t believe he would and that he ranks up there with Yonas.
@@tcgdiscussions2413 Sir, please don't say that. Do you honestly think my goat, Yonas, would make the same mistake of not attaching dons when attacking, only to attach them afterward? Apart from this, there are numerous other mistakes my goat wouldn’t have made. So, please refrain from saying he is up there with the GOAT.
i think it would be a solid option for joe delatorre to address the situation and maybe breakdown his thought process to have it make sense for everyone thats just dumbfounded from what happened.
As a BB player myself i'm baffled, people called me crazy when i called out something was wrong with this match. People said i was doomposting two high level players. Man i'm grateful to the yt algorithm they showed me your video. Much respect for your time and effort into explaining it play by play. Whether or not he was paid to lose i don't really care, but something is going on here and as a BB player it just hurts to see plays like these. This is not the level of play i'm used to from two players who have some experience under their belts.
@@tcgdiscussions2413 Cross just made a video a week after nats, there is a section where he speaks about the BB match. I think he talks so fast in that specific timeframe same like with the Joe post nats video. Thought you perhaps wanted to view that.
@@silimoore6659thanks! I have also seen the video. Lack of Match Up knowledge and talked about the BB players misplays. It’s tough. It’s really tough but it’s the best we got right now for an explanation on the play so far.
Im convinced this was a throw, and the win game one for bb was to make it not look like it. Imagine if this game was played off stream we would never have seen how corrupt stuff is
Really good commentary on the game! Glad someone else is also covering this obvious throw of a game! I play in the east and i could not believe my eyes at what i was seeing
I don’t think you’re the only one who thinks black beard is gonna be a great deck I’ve been religiously learning the deck since it came out just because I’m a fan of teach . Trust we in this together. You’re not alone
i remember the day my friends and i were leaving the fest the 2nd day and they were like there is nooooo way that match wasn't thrown, it's just no way BY Luffy beats BB like that and I am glad we are all agree because holy moly, but honestly Cross is super cool, good for him for winning, hope he does well in Japan
i honestly feel like joe just got caught up with nerves - ppl that know these two IRL, know these are all accusations. joe was clearly nervous the whole time (he was clearly shaking every match, even in his deck profile) i feel bad about all the negativity going around this match. yes, it was a weird game for joe, but i feel like he just fumbled the game tbh. i dont think he should be getting flamed this hard, its a card game and we just gotta move on. cross pulled off an amazing W and we take it for what it is. i could be wrong, but someone is innocent until proven guilty, everything else is just noise until then. like.. what is the logic for someone to just throw the game and their chances at competing in a WORLD stage for amazingg prizing. i get cross is a youtuber, but he aint event the biggest OP youtuber. i dont see what the benefits of getting paid off to lose in this stage. ive been bribed before in one piece lol, i didnt take it, but it was just to get a guaranteed extra pack to the person who won (x-3) but in a grand stage of top cut, i dont know why any competitor would take the time to play their ass off all weekend, just to throw it away in top cut. it was a mistake. a plethora of mistakes lol. we gotta stop, cuz at this point - ppl just cyber bullying this man for a card game. i was frustrated watching it too, but theres plenty matches where we could find frustrating misplays, but everyone that plays competitively knows that when youre actually IN the game, you dont notice your misplays until after, most times. edit: i also want to point out, for anyone that has made it to a top cut in any card game, knows how exhausting and how drained your brain power is at that point lol. these long events arent just a test of skill and IQ for the game, but definitely mental endurance. some great players crumble at later stages due to lack of energy/sleep or just over it at some point. BB as a deck is also a deck thats very demanding due to needing to know every match up. theres plenty of room for mistakes with BB. i think joe probably ran into some situations during the event that made him take different routes when it came to his searches and pitches.
I can understand all of this. I think what makes it tough though, is the plethora of mistakes. On top of the manner of which it happened. It’s why I made the video to see how bad it is and ADDRESS to clear in some degree that Cross is a scammer Therefore he WOULD pay the guy. But I can’t just make a video defending cross without all that is seen in the video. That’s why I went hard. Someone would call stuff out that I don’t. And it just looks super bad. Nerves or not. This is just flagrant to a degree if that makes sense.
@@tcgdiscussions2413 he also could have black hole and use leader eff as many time he wanted to boost the jesus for a bigger swing. so swing 5 with lead and go all out with jesus
Yeah, game 3 was super fishy... just taking life while having BB and counters on hand and not attacking with Jesus while having 2 BB on board. Game 1 threw me off though because they were both playing bad (Teach attacking and Luffy not attacking) so I thought they were both just inexperienced players. This breakdown was great highlighting stuff I didn't catch on stream.
Well said. I had to watch it several times to see how bad this match was truly was. Game one, finger pistol kills Sabo and Cross could heal but doesn’t and dies with bricks in hand. I didn’t catch it till post publish. That’s how much wrong there is.
Me and my friends have been debating this for so long lol I just don’t see how this is not a throw, and also.. that first game is the first thing I’ve ever seen of Cross.. that does not seem like a good player to me.
Laboon and DocQ in the early game is a most when you know BY luffy have good 5 cost characters, lot of pressure on the board that will force BY Luffy the clear the board.
I normally don't comment on these type of this but does anyone know who this joe guy is before I even saw this video and watched the stream live my thought was he was a very mediocre player and blackbeard carried him to the finals now if anyone knows him and he's a great player then I apologize but I'm sorry the way he looks at top 5 when he searches screams I have no reason to be in this match to begin with ... sorry not sorry
I genuinely think he just didn't know the matchup that well. Probably heard it was free from a bunch of people and figured fuck it just gonna practice my bad matchups. Just like how bad, lazy, and or new players hear Lucci is free for BY and end up getting cooked. Shit happens man
@@MrJubesJubes I can see that too. I still had to make it this way because if I didn’t. Someone would be more critical and say that I’m missing things and tell me in the comments about it.
Most BY list do not play 10-12 2ks, 10 has been standard for a very long time (4 flampe, 4 hiyori, 2 machino) with the machino being a semi flex spot when the deck gets tight and most top players have dropped it to 1 of. Kuzan is pretty established in the deck at 3/4.
I didnt see this and was skeptical but it is really clear now that the Black beard player was paid to throw.... Kind of sad to see this in a top 16 game, expecting high level game play and getting this. Feels bad how the blackbeard player took the spot of someone who actually wanted to win the tournament.
Overall nice breakdown. But its easy to be hyper critical when you not playing the 4+ hrs in high level gameplay, on stage, being broadcasted live to hundres of people.
4+ hours or not if this is "High level gameplay" everyone saw the BB player enable the B/Y luffy player by constant swings to the leader, Sure the BB player did some misplays but he enabled his opp the whole way through the game
I will showcase multiple games of BB in a series that we will feature on the channel. You will notice the level of precision that was absent from both players. Additionally, bad games can happen. But consecutive blunders or flat out not trying isn’t high level at all. I’m not just talking about Joe. Crosses game one, which is overshadowed by the rest of the match is completely not trying. He literally doesn’t attack for nearly 5 turns.
@Insanidygames in high-level gameplay in any competitive space. The more fatigue you are, the easier it is to make obvious mistakes. That's just prone to happen. In this gameplay, yes, there are a few questionable decisions that they both made. The video does a great job of explaining what should've been done. But they're still a difference between playing it in real time vs. looking for a video from home or work.
@tcgdiscussions2413 cross addressed this on x which also explains why he played the way he did in G1 . He simply didn't know or have a good idea of how to play in the mu + 2 of the best players in my group (both hit top 64 on online events) they ran 10 matches that same night and concluded. The odds are not overwhelmingly in BB favor. There's a reason bb didn't get wins in jpn till the later half of OP-09
@@sukrammagenta3627 there is also a reason BY never even topped minus one CS win where everyone said there were no good BB players there. It is overwhelming. All sim data points to it. I point it out several times. I’m not convinced and show why you shouldn’t be. I’ll put it this way. What you’re calling “mistakes” were all over the board in every game. This isn’t a simple homework hind sight 20/20. This is in real time people watching the stream calling it out. I don’t know a single person that thinks it’s winning to attack BY. I don’t know a single person who would do what happened in game 3 of just passing without at LEAST attacking with burgess. There is no reason. The lack of blocks, the lack of consideration period. Snap takes at 5 or 5k swings. Michael didn’t win a single game here. I showed you he didn’t. I expressed several times how simply he loses every match. I Expect him to know better. And then I saw him play flawlessly against Yonas yesterday. And you’re telling me he fumbled Don!! Allocation constantly against a BB player against him but plays perfectly against Yonas when he has way better winning chances. The BB player had to not try to win in 2 games for Michael to win. Not look for outs and not try and think about whether he needed an out. He never thought about it. For the record the highest sim players and all data on it disagree with your friends testing. Give BB second every time and find out. There is a reason so many people called this game out. It’s not just the bad match up, it’s what Joe had to do that shows this. I have personally ran this match up dozens of times and tell you that it’s truly that bad.
@tcgdiscussions2413 I'm pretty much certain it was a throw. Whether cross paid him off is a completely different story though. People are saying he only lost because he doesn't know the match up but they seem to be cherry picking their examples. If I didn't know a match up, I'd be taking more time to think rather than instantly taking 5k hits or trashing my win cons. Even a week 1 player would know your win con is to kill their blockers and go face... How can a top 16 player who also apparently played BY previously not understand basic fundamentals? He had 2 12k blockers and a 10k Burgess but won't attack? What?
@@mxdmxd111that swing 5 pass was the nail in the coffin that decided for me that I was making the video. I was lost beyond all reason. And it’s tough for the mixed reviews. Joe also almost looked more nervous for the interview than playing the match.
35:14 the point u make about the play being punished is slightly wrong, on 7 don the BY can put 2don on leader pitch rocket put into life and play 2 drop = 4 don, potentially the BY could also play a sabo blocker and attach 1 don to swing for 12k. at the burgess if it went sideways.
@@Opinionated-By54nder he can’t do both, heal and punish via attack through rocket. It’s best 9 I believe, on swing Luffy and he had counter in hand. And both life just get removed again.
@@tcgdiscussions2413 maybe I am wrong but let me describe it, 2 Don on leader, plus 2 Don to summon rocket and ko the vasco, plus 2 for Sabo is the basic 6cost combo plus open Don. so on 7 Don he can be on 9k leader plus Sabo blocker, leader can swing 11k or 12k, and pump luffy can be on 8 or 9k to swing on the burgess. Correct me if I am wrong
@@Opinionated-By54nderso possibly. Michael would have to counter 3 cards and go another Negative 2 in hand. Playing the baby and discarding for a net -5 and all aggro goes at burgess from leader, Luffy swings at life. Michael would be at 7k with one life, 1 5c Luffy no blocker. Joes next turn would be easy. Shigan into burgess, discard pass. Michael has No board, is -5 and has no way to move the last life for another double heal while bb would have 2 life left going into Teach behind a 9k burgess. It’s still losing and it would be what I said, not really a good way to punish. But I’d concede that it’s a different line based on a closer look at the hand. AND puts Michael on the spot with correctly countering.
I don’t mind the discussion but can we include mental wear down over the tournament as a variable? Since I feel we are looking at the game with fresh eyes and master knowledge And the question did the Bb player have the mental stamina sometimes I play like that cuz I’m mentally worn out and ADHD wins the war of attrition
This is the first time I watched western tournament (im asian) and I just thought maybe the western side has a different take on the gameplay, but i guess i was wrong.
@tcgdiscussions2413 Definitely a throw on the side of BB. There's a lot of turn he could have just won but instead giving the opponent the opportunity to win.
@@justintarantino395 I misread this statement before responding. Edit. Cross did every pitch correct in game 1. The card he pitched was going to life. Additionally, I explain below the misplay he had with the final heal post the life trigger to KO a card.
Thoughts on Enel into Blackbeard? I personally think Enel is at least 50/50 into it because of cards like Raigo, plus the ability to just starve out BB until they run out resources.
Really hard right now if BB starves you and plays Burgess over and over. They play teach, you raigo (meaning you can’t heal) teacher turn off burgess, burgess swings, into leader effect. Enel will get cooked if there’s another teach :)
Idk why u think playing laboon in this matchup is any good... but it isnt at all, if he plays it on the 4don turn by luffy just kills it easily so u waste ur resorces on nothing, even if u managed to let it survive, he plays sabo every turn and u do nothing with it, the only play u can posibly do is using the 4cost black hole event to deal with sabo's effect... and even doing so isnt actually good because he can always reuse them no matter how many times u kill him, its just useless to play around killing the board against by luffy, he did the best choice against his opponent, he just flood the board with a lot of burguess characters that cannot be killed by anything the opponent have and its a threat that will make him play deffensive.
If you don't attack Luffy in the early game he would not have 2 lives or less. So his Luffy caracter can't kill laboon and if you activate your leader effect sabo is not a menace.
Leader pitch turns off Sabo and there is no punish to the play. If BB doesn’t attack, Sabo cannot use his draw or protection. The board is vulnerable and both die Ivankov and Sabo die. Additionally at 3 life, the laboon can’t be popped by Rocket Luffy meaning there is absolutely no way to punish the Laboon on turn 2. It’s because Joe attacked that the play no longer worked and there was a weakness. Liberation ivankov play doc q at 6 and you wipe the board and force BY to clear because the next 5 cost will die.
Even that you state he didn’t throw you suggest that a lot through the video. I disagree on you and I think this dude just got nervous to a point he wasn’t functioning properly. But me commenting on what happened is as important as you talking about him on the video… By the end of the day we are just 2 guys that never went top 16 Nats talking about someone who did. So maybe we should focus more on our game instead.🤷🏽♂️
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I’m going to post this for everyone here in the comments. #1 as I state several times this isn’t a video to dump on Joe. #2 and probably most important is that Joe and Cross are both human and deserve grace in their play. #3 I was frustrated with this match and the video reflects that. I understand that nerves of Joe, Cross and other variables could explain this match. However, there is so much wrong with it that if it seems that I’m piling on the criticism thickly throughout. It’s because it is actually that bad. It seems that it’s harsh because there is that much to point out. That’s why I made the video. That’s why it’s titled the way it is. I hope people understand that when watching it. Because for everyone who can rightfully understand the nerves or the lack of match up knowledge. There are others who felt their One Piece Nats was rigged. Both feelings are valid with the evidence that is in front of us despite what’s true.
cross didnt know the matchup and joe was very nervous and on stream, sometimes thats enough to make the match look like this. I know cross personally and he WOULD NEVER do something to put his play eligibility at risk. Lets show both of these players some grace, its unfortunate how out of proportion this has got.
@@AwakenedTCG I even say I believe that he wouldn’t. That’s why I gave the context I did to try and clear his name. And assert I don’t believe he would and that he ranks up there with Yonas.
@@tcgdiscussions2413 Sir, please don't say that. Do you honestly think my goat, Yonas, would make the same mistake of not attaching dons when attacking, only to attach them afterward? Apart from this, there are numerous other mistakes my goat wouldn’t have made. So, please refrain from saying he is up there with the GOAT.
I like Yonas more as a player too. But Cross is a great player and is a Nats Champion :)
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i think it would be a solid option for joe delatorre to address the situation and maybe breakdown his thought process to have it make sense for everyone thats just dumbfounded from what happened.
As a BB player myself i'm baffled, people called me crazy when i called out something was wrong with this match. People said i was doomposting two high level players. Man i'm grateful to the yt algorithm they showed me your video. Much respect for your time and effort into explaining it play by play.
Whether or not he was paid to lose i don't really care, but something is going on here and as a BB player it just hurts to see plays like these. This is not the level of play i'm used to from two players who have some experience under their belts.
@@silimoore6659 this match was so off, I had to make the video. You were not alone and something was wrong here for sure.
@@tcgdiscussions2413 You did good my dude, hope you don't receive too much negative backlash. You're a real one!
@@tcgdiscussions2413 Cross just made a video a week after nats, there is a section where he speaks about the BB match. I think he talks so fast in that specific timeframe same like with the Joe post nats video. Thought you perhaps wanted to view that.
@@silimoore6659thanks! I have also seen the video. Lack of Match Up knowledge and talked about the BB players misplays. It’s tough. It’s really tough but it’s the best we got right now for an explanation on the play so far.
Im convinced this was a throw, and the win game one for bb was to make it not look like it. Imagine if this game was played off stream we would never have seen how corrupt stuff is
Really good commentary on the game! Glad someone else is also covering this obvious throw of a game! I play in the east and i could not believe my eyes at what i was seeing
thanks for the breakdown
@@SerialDoffy you’re welcome!
I don’t think you’re the only one who thinks black beard is gonna be a great deck I’ve been religiously learning the deck since it came out just because I’m a fan of teach . Trust we in this together. You’re not alone
@@KickinItNextDoor let’s get great together!
i remember the day my friends and i were leaving the fest the 2nd day and they were like there is nooooo way that match wasn't thrown, it's just no way BY Luffy beats BB like that and I am glad we are all agree because holy moly, but honestly Cross is super cool, good for him for winning, hope he does well in Japan
i honestly feel like joe just got caught up with nerves - ppl that know these two IRL, know these are all accusations. joe was clearly nervous the whole time (he was clearly shaking every match, even in his deck profile) i feel bad about all the negativity going around this match. yes, it was a weird game for joe, but i feel like he just fumbled the game tbh. i dont think he should be getting flamed this hard, its a card game and we just gotta move on. cross pulled off an amazing W and we take it for what it is. i could be wrong, but someone is innocent until proven guilty, everything else is just noise until then.
like.. what is the logic for someone to just throw the game and their chances at competing in a WORLD stage for amazingg prizing. i get cross is a youtuber, but he aint event the biggest OP youtuber. i dont see what the benefits of getting paid off to lose in this stage. ive been bribed before in one piece lol, i didnt take it, but it was just to get a guaranteed extra pack to the person who won (x-3) but in a grand stage of top cut, i dont know why any competitor would take the time to play their ass off all weekend, just to throw it away in top cut.
it was a mistake. a plethora of mistakes lol. we gotta stop, cuz at this point - ppl just cyber bullying this man for a card game. i was frustrated watching it too, but theres plenty matches where we could find frustrating misplays, but everyone that plays competitively knows that when youre actually IN the game, you dont notice your misplays until after, most times.
edit: i also want to point out, for anyone that has made it to a top cut in any card game, knows how exhausting and how drained your brain power is at that point lol. these long events arent just a test of skill and IQ for the game, but definitely mental endurance. some great players crumble at later stages due to lack of energy/sleep or just over it at some point. BB as a deck is also a deck thats very demanding due to needing to know every match up. theres plenty of room for mistakes with BB. i think joe probably ran into some situations during the event that made him take different routes when it came to his searches and pitches.
I can understand all of this. I think what makes it tough though, is the plethora of mistakes. On top of the manner of which it happened. It’s why I made the video to see how bad it is and ADDRESS to clear in some degree that Cross is a scammer Therefore he WOULD pay the guy. But I can’t just make a video defending cross without all that is seen in the video. That’s why I went hard. Someone would call stuff out that I don’t. And it just looks super bad. Nerves or not. This is just flagrant to a degree if that makes sense.
at 35:26 is it not just better to liberation the ivankov and swing 10 with jesus and get counter out ?
@@rikbob5822 It is. 100%
@@tcgdiscussions2413 he also could have black hole and use leader eff as many time he wanted to boost the jesus for a bigger swing. so swing 5 with lead and go all out with jesus
@@K1RBY_OPTCGat the mid juncture that would be too risky based on the amount of counter in the hand. But the base KO don stack is severely winning.
Joe knows his BY Luffy matchup because that deck was his main before picking up BB. 💀
CrossAI looking bad rn no cap
Yeah, game 3 was super fishy... just taking life while having BB and counters on hand and not attacking with Jesus while having 2 BB on board. Game 1 threw me off though because they were both playing bad (Teach attacking and Luffy not attacking) so I thought they were both just inexperienced players. This breakdown was great highlighting stuff I didn't catch on stream.
Well said. I had to watch it several times to see how bad this match was truly was. Game one, finger pistol kills Sabo and Cross could heal but doesn’t and dies with bricks in hand. I didn’t catch it till post publish. That’s how much wrong there is.
crazy theres people out ere that buy laboons at 32 dollars a piece just to throw nationals and i cant find any just to use them at a locals
Me and my friends have been debating this for so long lol I just don’t see how this is not a throw, and also.. that first game is the first thing I’ve ever seen of Cross.. that does not seem like a good player to me.
@@EmiMart77 he is a good player. This was definitely the wrong game to catch him for the first time. Dudes got tons of serials.
Laboon and DocQ in the early game is a most when you know BY luffy have good 5 cost characters, lot of pressure on the board that will force BY Luffy the clear the board.
I normally don't comment on these type of this but does anyone know who this joe guy is before I even saw this video and watched the stream live my thought was he was a very mediocre player and blackbeard carried him to the finals now if anyone knows him and he's a great player then I apologize but I'm sorry the way he looks at top 5 when he searches screams I have no reason to be in this match to begin with ... sorry not sorry
Keep up the good work and still learn for playing black beard 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I genuinely think he just didn't know the matchup that well. Probably heard it was free from a bunch of people and figured fuck it just gonna practice my bad matchups. Just like how bad, lazy, and or new players hear Lucci is free for BY and end up getting cooked. Shit happens man
@@MrJubesJubes I can see that too. I still had to make it this way because if I didn’t. Someone would be more critical and say that I’m missing things and tell me in the comments about it.
Rishi came out and said he made the scam up and it was all to get back at a girl or something. It’s all on twitter.
Thank you, you showed me that i can hate a person much more than i ever could
Ok, i discovered half way through you were just parodying, damn, i'm dense
What do you mean?
Do u not thibk game 1 was disgusting or do u just not know the matchup?
Most BY list do not play 10-12 2ks, 10 has been standard for a very long time (4 flampe, 4 hiyori, 2 machino) with the machino being a semi flex spot when the deck gets tight and most top players have dropped it to 1 of. Kuzan is pretty established in the deck at 3/4.
Also 9c kaido isnt the only tech, another option would be nightmare luffy as its great into the mirror as well
@@barnie321yes but it’s mad random. The nightmare Luffy I personally like. But reality is, neither are in the deck with only 2 raigo.
I didnt see this and was skeptical but it is really clear now that the Black beard player was paid to throw.... Kind of sad to see this in a top 16 game, expecting high level game play and getting this. Feels bad how the blackbeard player took the spot of someone who actually wanted to win the tournament.
Overall nice breakdown. But its easy to be hyper critical when you not playing the 4+ hrs in high level gameplay, on stage, being broadcasted live to hundres of people.
4+ hours or not if this is "High level gameplay" everyone saw the BB player enable the B/Y luffy player by constant swings to the leader, Sure the BB player did some misplays but he enabled his opp the whole way through the game
I will showcase multiple games of BB in a series that we will feature on the channel. You will notice the level of precision that was absent from both players. Additionally, bad games can happen. But consecutive blunders or flat out not trying isn’t high level at all. I’m not just talking about Joe. Crosses game one, which is overshadowed by the rest of the match is completely not trying. He literally doesn’t attack for nearly 5 turns.
@Insanidygames in high-level gameplay in any competitive space. The more fatigue you are, the easier it is to make obvious mistakes. That's just prone to happen. In this gameplay, yes, there are a few questionable decisions that they both made. The video does a great job of explaining what should've been done. But they're still a difference between playing it in real time vs. looking for a video from home or work.
@tcgdiscussions2413 cross addressed this on x which also explains why he played the way he did in G1 . He simply didn't know or have a good idea of how to play in the mu + 2 of the best players in my group (both hit top 64 on online events) they ran 10 matches that same night and concluded. The odds are not overwhelmingly in BB favor. There's a reason bb didn't get wins in jpn till the later half of OP-09
@@sukrammagenta3627 there is also a reason BY never even topped minus one CS win where everyone said there were no good BB players there. It is overwhelming. All sim data points to it. I point it out several times. I’m not convinced and show why you shouldn’t be. I’ll put it this way. What you’re calling “mistakes” were all over the board in every game. This isn’t a simple homework hind sight 20/20. This is in real time people watching the stream calling it out. I don’t know a single person that thinks it’s winning to attack BY. I don’t know a single person who would do what happened in game 3 of just passing without at LEAST attacking with burgess. There is no reason. The lack of blocks, the lack of consideration period. Snap takes at 5 or 5k swings. Michael didn’t win a single game here. I showed you he didn’t. I expressed several times how simply he loses every match. I Expect him to know better. And then I saw him play flawlessly against Yonas yesterday. And you’re telling me he fumbled Don!! Allocation constantly against a BB player against him but plays perfectly against Yonas when he has way better winning chances. The BB player had to not try to win in 2 games for Michael to win. Not look for outs and not try and think about whether he needed an out. He never thought about it.
For the record the highest sim players and all data on it disagree with your friends testing. Give BB second every time and find out. There is a reason so many people called this game out. It’s not just the bad match up, it’s what Joe had to do that shows this. I have personally ran this match up dozens of times and tell you that it’s truly that bad.
This was already super sus before watching this video 😂
What do you think now?
@tcgdiscussions2413 I'm pretty much certain it was a throw. Whether cross paid him off is a completely different story though.
People are saying he only lost because he doesn't know the match up but they seem to be cherry picking their examples. If I didn't know a match up, I'd be taking more time to think rather than instantly taking 5k hits or trashing my win cons. Even a week 1 player would know your win con is to kill their blockers and go face... How can a top 16 player who also apparently played BY previously not understand basic fundamentals? He had 2 12k blockers and a 10k Burgess but won't attack? What?
@@mxdmxd111that swing 5 pass was the nail in the coffin that decided for me that I was making the video. I was lost beyond all reason. And it’s tough for the mixed reviews. Joe also almost looked more nervous for the interview than playing the match.
I am pretty new to the game but even I thought (watching live) these games was sus…
35:14 the point u make about the play being punished is slightly wrong, on 7 don the BY can put 2don on leader pitch rocket put into life and play 2 drop = 4 don, potentially the BY could also play a sabo blocker and attach 1 don to swing for 12k. at the burgess if it went sideways.
Am I missing something or is the Vasco shot not able to block?
@tcgdiscussions2413 if it gets ko by rocket luffy, there's no block
@@Opinionated-By54nder he can’t do both, heal and punish via attack through rocket. It’s best 9 I believe, on swing Luffy and he had counter in hand. And both life just get removed again.
@@tcgdiscussions2413 maybe I am wrong but let me describe it, 2 Don on leader, plus 2 Don to summon rocket and ko the vasco, plus 2 for Sabo is the basic 6cost combo plus open Don. so on 7 Don he can be on 9k leader plus Sabo blocker, leader can swing 11k or 12k, and pump luffy can be on 8 or 9k to swing on the burgess. Correct me if I am wrong
@@Opinionated-By54nderso possibly. Michael would have to counter 3 cards and go another Negative 2 in hand. Playing the baby and discarding for a net -5 and all aggro goes at burgess from leader, Luffy swings at life. Michael would be at 7k with one life, 1 5c Luffy no blocker.
Joes next turn would be easy. Shigan into burgess, discard pass. Michael has No board, is -5 and has no way to move the last life for another double heal while bb would have 2 life left going into Teach behind a 9k burgess. It’s still losing and it would be what I said, not really a good way to punish. But I’d concede that it’s a different line based on a closer look at the hand. AND puts Michael on the spot with correctly countering.
I don’t mind the discussion but can we include mental wear down over the tournament as a variable? Since I feel we are looking at the game with fresh eyes and master knowledge And the question did the Bb player have the mental stamina sometimes I play like that cuz I’m mentally worn out and ADHD wins the war of attrition
As a enel player I felt those words 😂 @5:06
😂😂😂
This is the first time I watched western tournament (im asian) and I just thought maybe the western side has a different take on the gameplay, but i guess i was wrong.
@@franksinatra624 tell me your thoughts on the match?
@tcgdiscussions2413 Definitely a throw on the side of BB. There's a lot of turn he could have just won but instead giving the opponent the opportunity to win.
cross forgot to discard to you leader effect game one the first time he healed
@@justintarantino395 I misread this statement before responding. Edit. Cross did every pitch correct in game 1. The card he pitched was going to life. Additionally, I explain below the misplay he had with the final heal post the life trigger to KO a card.
@tcgdiscussions2413 you're both wrong about this.. the sabo he put in life on his first heal in game 1 was from hand, so that counts as a discard
@@yaboyvickk5635I miss read his above statement. Cross could have healed the Sabo after it gets Shigan hit out if life.
as a blackbeard player, this deftly a rigged game
Clearly gave to BY coz doffy was the next match up. Period Haha
@@CardSlingerHPH it was all Luccis. :) All along!
Post some dragon ball masters stuff
@@irvingutierrez2112 I retired from playing that game. :)
Thoughts on Enel into Blackbeard? I personally think Enel is at least 50/50 into it because of cards like Raigo, plus the ability to just starve out BB until they run out resources.
Really hard right now if BB starves you and plays Burgess over and over. They play teach, you raigo (meaning you can’t heal) teacher turn off burgess, burgess swings, into leader effect. Enel will get cooked if there’s another teach :)
Maybe the dude is just bad
Idk why u think playing laboon in this matchup is any good... but it isnt at all, if he plays it on the 4don turn by luffy just kills it easily so u waste ur resorces on nothing, even if u managed to let it survive, he plays sabo every turn and u do nothing with it, the only play u can posibly do is using the 4cost black hole event to deal with sabo's effect... and even doing so isnt actually good because he can always reuse them no matter how many times u kill him, its just useless to play around killing the board against by luffy, he did the best choice against his opponent, he just flood the board with a lot of burguess characters that cannot be killed by anything the opponent have and its a threat that will make him play deffensive.
If you don't attack Luffy in the early game he would not have 2 lives or less. So his Luffy caracter can't kill laboon and if you activate your leader effect sabo is not a menace.
Leader pitch turns off Sabo and there is no punish to the play. If BB doesn’t attack, Sabo cannot use his draw or protection. The board is vulnerable and both die Ivankov and Sabo die. Additionally at 3 life, the laboon can’t be popped by Rocket Luffy meaning there is absolutely no way to punish the Laboon on turn 2. It’s because Joe attacked that the play no longer worked and there was a weakness. Liberation ivankov play doc q at 6 and you wipe the board and force BY to clear because the next 5 cost will die.
Video is over a hour long let me sum it up for you in 5 seconds *he wants to do tricks on it glazing hardcore*
Id say BS
Even that you state he didn’t throw you suggest that a lot through the video.
I disagree on you and I think this dude just got nervous to a point he wasn’t functioning properly.
But me commenting on what happened is as important as you talking about him on the video…
By the end of the day we are just 2 guys that never went top 16 Nats talking about someone who did. So maybe we should focus more on our game instead.🤷🏽♂️
@@vinisouza why can’t you do both?
@ because it looks like your mouth is bigger than your actions when you talk crap about something you never did. 🙂
That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. :)
you doo not know how to play this match up lol
Lmao conspiracy in One Piece is hilarious 🤣🤣 yall trolling
He's not trolling. Cheating in One Piece is very real.