The woman who brought this unique gaming table is so utterly "English" and thus delightful! The hand-palm to the forehead with the "thank you to the Duke of Wellington" is priceless!
Food for thought !! Any WEDDING you have in the future will completely Trump ANY possible financial gain from an item given ... lol Cost you WAAAAAAAAAAY more for a pointless wedding .. lol
If you don’t know the Duke personally. He’ll just send a proxy as his representative to attend your wedding. This guy who received the desk and tea set as wedding gift was a close trusted servant by the Duke. Who attended to him regularly. That’s why the Duke gave him a special gift.
The perception of the value of money is subjective. Old English people born before the Great War probably don’t think the way you do, assuming you’re not one of them.
My grt grt grandfather's was in the Coldstream Guards, at the Tower of London in 1851, and he was a pallbearers at the Duke of Wellingtons funeral. He and other NCIs had dinner with Queen Victoria. I have a pen and ink drawing of the ncos and Victoria. He and his wife died at the ages of 28 a few days later, from tb . It was terrible weather for the funeral. His son was orphaned and adopted.
many years ago.. decades... I visited Apsley House, by Hyde Park.the now museum where Wellington lived. I seem to recall a detailed very long picture of Wellingtons funeral procession.. its a long time ago but I am sure they had it. might be worth looking online.. sere if your relative can be made out. Time has dimmed the memory.not sure if it had sections of the funeral on it too.
This makes me wonder when people started being interested in antiques (not just family heirlooms). I’m wondering because either this was given when the duke was a young man, and not yet the duke, or it was already an old table (or the story is a family legend). Certainly in 1999, receiving a hundred year old table as a wedding gift would be pretty cool. But in 1880 would someone have appreciated a gift of a random table made in 1780?
Interesting point. Perhaps the Duke was cleaning out the storage a bit. I imagine a hundred year old table from a Duke would still be quite better than any of the tables at the neighbors' houses.
It was quite common for more affluent people to pass down things they were no longer using to servants, in the army - to batmans, etc. The class divide was huge, so such gifts were accepted with gratitude. Then again, you're a bit off with your dates. Wellington was commanding forces in India in 1798. The Peninsular War started in 1808. By 1880, Wellington was 30 years dead.
I don't think they thought of antiques as we do but these pieces were hand made and as explained a lot of quality workmanship had gone in to it. I have no idea if there were copies but it was sill an exceptional piece anytime in its history. I love wood and working with wood and it hurts my soul that this level of craftsmanship is either viewed as luxury or unlikely today rather than the more commonplace of the past.
@@GalastelNote that there were many dukes, and she didn’t say which one gave the gift. This gift could have been anything from a new item given before he was a duke, a “used” item given once he became a duke, to an “antique” given by a later duke.
@@marchappyharriscom You're right, of course, that there was more than one Duke of Wellington. In fact, the 9th Duke of Wellington is alive and well today, he's a British peer and politician. But when anyone mentions "The Duke of Wellington", they usually think of the 1st. Even the 2nd Duke, ascending to the title, commented "Imagine what it will be when the Duke of Wellington is announced, and only I walk in the room" (according to Wikipedia). So if one doesn't mean the 1st Duke of Wellington, I think one would specify that.
This item would have been in her family for 200 years, they have no idea of the true value of it, to them it is just something which take sup space and doesn't have a use
I wish they would have provided better camera angles on the table. The leaves not having any support just doesn't make any sense and I'm suspicious the supports were likely removed. That or they are so well hidden the appraiser missed them.
This chess set was at Waterloo, you know. Wellington played on it the night before the big fight. All the men are carved out of antique ivory, and they're worth seventy-five quid each according to my great-aunt Dorothy.
My wife's 3x great grandfather, James Kendall, was the Duke of Wellington's valet for approx 25 years. He married my wife's 3x great grandmother, Rachel, in 1846 when he'd have been employed by the Duke for over 20 years so would make sense that he received a wedding gift like this. James and Rachel died in the mid 1870s and my theory is that their daughter Frances inherited the table from her parents. Sadly, France's husband died in 1889 while training to be a lawyer and that left her and their children in a poor financial state. I wonder if Frances had to sell the table in order bolster the family finances. Just a theory but the dates and events stack up. Amazing to see something connected to the family though.
According to Elizabeth Longford's chatty and entertaining biography of the duke, Kendall was the last man to speak with him. the duke's last words to him was to ask him to summon the apothecary(doctors were very rare then) but the duke survived a few hours but was too weak to speak, although his older son was present when he finally passed
Totally agree. I happen to know her, and her name is Aggie Clackett from Cleethorpes, swears like a trooper, clean municipal toilets for a living. I think she is acting posh too, very Bucket like.
my thoughts exactly. Typical of her type I am afraid.. I knew lady like this.. you couldn;t tell her anything and it didn't become her own idea in seconds. lol.
He can't even resist the grift script... You must have this insured, it's worth a fortune! You can't afford that much insurance? I know a guy who could sell it for you. Oh, the market is soft, but it's better than nothing? Thanks for the commission!
@@jonescrusher1 oh hell yes. Look up what happens with all these discovered antiques. That's exactly what they do. That's their job. If not directly, then he knows people who do it and kick some back.
The chessboard is correct , you sit with your knees under the overhanging ends and you have somewhere to place captured pieces chess clock or drinks .......
Hang on, is there any actual evidence for any of this?! I could get any old vase from 1854 and say "Prince Albert had a waz in this, give us a fiver guv"
No, the value was set for the item, not the story. For a value to be recognized you need more than a story and its usually something to do with the creator of the item, not who had it. That said, a story can bring up the price when selling it to some gullible person, but thats neither here nor there.
Oh I agree that with provenance it would be worth far more, but £8.5k on a 1790s card table is ridiculous unless it literally belonged to the Duke of Boots. You can buy late- Georgian satinwood games tables for about £800.
There is a timing problem with this piece being a gift from Field Marshal Sir Arthur Wellesley, !st Duke of Wellington. The piece is dated as being from the 1780's or 90's, and Wellesley wasn't in a position to make that kind of gift at that point. He didn't have a lot of money until 1804, the same year he was knighted. Wellesley didn't become Viscount Wellington until 1809.
The date is for the Table NOT the date it was given as a present ..... Keep up son ...... Also he was a General in the British Army for years before he became Lord Wellington , how many impoverished Generals have you heard of ????
@@PhilipKerry Unless it had sentimental value, why would someone give a used item as a gift? Second, the statement "he didn't have a lot of money until 1804..." was researched. Richard Wellesley, 1st Marquis Wellesley, was appointed Governor-General of India in 1798 and appointed his brother commander of the Army forces in India. General Wellesley's fortune increased considerably until his return to England in 1804.
@@roberthudson1959 It says his " fortune increased " which means he had a " fortune " in the first place , it just became a bigger " fortune " . Also people regularly gave items they owned as gifts in those days especially if the recipient had expressed a liking for the object previously . I know reading English is hard for some .
But who decides what the prices are going to be, it had to start by one person, in the 50s tat like that would have ended up on the bonfire by the kids collecting for the bonfire. 😂
The 'market' decides and factors drive up or down the prices that people are willing to pay. It's all fundamentally down to collectability and desirability and fashion can inflate or decimate the price of any piece. As you say, there are 'windows' of time too which determine whether something is merely out-of-date or antique - I have quite a bit of glassware from the 50's, for example, which at the moment is largely worthless but could gain value in another decade or two :fingers crossed: :D
There was an old AR episode where someone came in with a chair they saved from a bonfire. Apparently there was an entire living room full of matching chairs and tables and whatnot and the previous owner set it all on fire. The chair turned out to be an Carlo Bugatti and was worth thousands. And still is. So someone lit what would be six figures on fire right there because he thought that his particular sense of aesthetics was eternal und universal.
This makes superb television, in contrast to the pale imitation woke programme of today. Today they would probably have been discussing John Lennon's washbag. It makes my blood boil.
In the British Library (the one that was attached to the British Museum) there used to be a display case containing a Gutenberg Bible, a Magna Carta, and a napkin with words written in blue ink: "Yesterday, all my troubles looked so far away, Now it seems as though they are here to stay… etc."
I didn't hear anybody attacking vulnerable minorities, insulting racial or cultural differences, or oppressing women. The clip, at least, seemed pretty "woke" to me, and all the better for it.
The woman who brought this unique gaming table is so utterly "English" and thus delightful! The hand-palm to the forehead with the "thank you to the Duke of Wellington" is priceless!
Be more appropriate if she had a burka on nowadays and kissed her teeth at the valuation amount.
I like that Tabletop with all the different rare woods
Very special indeed
Wow outstanding
Love this show👍🏻👌🏻💪🏻🇦🇺🌏😊
note to self: i should invite as many dukes as possible to any weddings i might have in the future 🙂
Food for thought !!
Any WEDDING you have in the future will completely Trump ANY possible financial gain from an item given ... lol
Cost you WAAAAAAAAAAY more for a pointless wedding .. lol
If you don’t know the Duke personally. He’ll just send a proxy as his representative to attend your wedding.
This guy who received the desk and tea set as wedding gift was a close trusted servant by the Duke. Who attended to him regularly. That’s why the Duke gave him a special gift.
*Duke Nukem shows up chewing last stick of bubble gum*
Considering the title, I wonder how many people thought, "That's all?" when they heard the value he gave.
Weeell, the playing cards are missing XD
I did,
Honestly considering this was 1999 and how strong the pound used to be to the dollar that does sound like a lot honestly.
The perception of the value of money is subjective. Old English people born before the Great War probably don’t think the way you do, assuming you’re not one of them.
Approximately £18,000 in 'modern money'.
One of my hero’s from British history
heroes
One of *my* heroes from culinary history.
@@mulemule Does someone naming a dish after you make you a culinary hero?
@@kurtgodel5236 Only if its Gordon Ramsay's Wellington.
Wasn't he Irish? 😜
I loved watching this guy in "The Two Ronnies"
Rather Nice indeed 👍
My grt grt grandfather's was in the Coldstream Guards, at the Tower of London in 1851, and he was a pallbearers at the Duke of Wellingtons funeral. He and other NCIs had dinner with Queen Victoria.
I have a pen and ink drawing of the ncos and Victoria.
He and his wife died at the ages of 28 a few days later, from tb . It was terrible weather for the funeral.
His son was orphaned and adopted.
Aw man... what a fascinating and sad story, all in just a few sentences.
many years ago.. decades... I visited Apsley House, by Hyde Park.the now museum where Wellington lived. I seem to recall a detailed very long picture of Wellingtons funeral procession.. its a long time ago but I am sure they had it. might be worth looking online.. sere if your relative can be made out. Time has dimmed the memory.not sure if it had sections of the funeral on it too.
This makes me wonder when people started being interested in antiques (not just family heirlooms). I’m wondering because either this was given when the duke was a young man, and not yet the duke, or it was already an old table (or the story is a family legend). Certainly in 1999, receiving a hundred year old table as a wedding gift would be pretty cool. But in 1880 would someone have appreciated a gift of a random table made in 1780?
Interesting point. Perhaps the Duke was cleaning out the storage a bit. I imagine a hundred year old table from a Duke would still be quite better than any of the tables at the neighbors' houses.
It was quite common for more affluent people to pass down things they were no longer using to servants, in the army - to batmans, etc. The class divide was huge, so such gifts were accepted with gratitude.
Then again, you're a bit off with your dates. Wellington was commanding forces in India in 1798. The Peninsular War started in 1808. By 1880, Wellington was 30 years dead.
I don't think they thought of antiques as we do but these pieces were hand made and as explained a lot of quality workmanship had gone in to it. I have no idea if there were copies but it was sill an exceptional piece anytime in its history. I love wood and working with wood and it hurts my soul that this level of craftsmanship is either viewed as luxury or unlikely today rather than the more commonplace of the past.
@@GalastelNote that there were many dukes, and she didn’t say which one gave the gift. This gift could have been anything from a new item given before he was a duke, a “used” item given once he became a duke, to an “antique” given by a later duke.
@@marchappyharriscom You're right, of course, that there was more than one Duke of Wellington. In fact, the 9th Duke of Wellington is alive and well today, he's a British peer and politician. But when anyone mentions "The Duke of Wellington", they usually think of the 1st. Even the 2nd Duke, ascending to the title, commented "Imagine what it will be when the Duke of Wellington is announced, and only I walk in the room" (according to Wikipedia).
So if one doesn't mean the 1st Duke of Wellington, I think one would specify that.
I always love how these well spoken, no doubt well off, people feign surprise when told the value of something they only brought on to show off.
So well spoken she can't pronounce valet properly 😂😂😂😂
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This item would have been in her family for 200 years, they have no idea of the true value of it, to them it is just something which take sup space and doesn't have a use
@@athitayastirling8259 Pronounced it the English way because she is English
I think we're all happy they bring their best along. The show wouldn't be as entertaining if all we saw was tat people think might have some value.
I am glad he didn’t burned the table.
I thought this comment was talking about the presenter and was like that's so out of pocket 😅
I wish they would have provided better camera angles on the table. The leaves not having any support just doesn't make any sense and I'm suspicious the supports were likely removed. That or they are so well hidden the appraiser missed them.
This chess set was at Waterloo, you know. Wellington played on it the night before the big fight. All the men are carved out of antique ivory, and they're worth seventy-five quid each according to my great-aunt Dorothy.
My wife's 3x great grandfather, James Kendall, was the Duke of Wellington's valet for approx 25 years. He married my wife's 3x great grandmother, Rachel, in 1846 when he'd have been employed by the Duke for over 20 years so would make sense that he received a wedding gift like this. James and Rachel died in the mid 1870s and my theory is that their daughter Frances inherited the table from her parents. Sadly, France's husband died in 1889 while training to be a lawyer and that left her and their children in a poor financial state. I wonder if Frances had to sell the table in order bolster the family finances. Just a theory but the dates and events stack up. Amazing to see something connected to the family though.
According to Elizabeth Longford's chatty and entertaining biography of the duke, Kendall was the last man to speak with him. the duke's last words to him was to ask him to summon the apothecary(doctors were very rare then) but the duke survived a few hours but was too weak to speak, although his older son was present when he finally passed
How to proof to future buyer it came from Wellington ? There is no drawing, no bill of sale and no correspondence.
If it's been passed down through the same family, you could use genealogy records to show you had a given ancestor who worked for Wellington.
Who’s the creeper in front of the tree?
Which Duke of Wellington?
Which one do you think?
Made in the 1780s -1790s?
The one that gave the little corporal a right good thrashing might have puttered his pawns about on that.
Only One
@@ricgunn1439 Nine*
The "Duke of Wellington" pub, on the corner opposite primark
Not gonna lie but I thought 50 grand :/
About 18,000 GBP today with inflation.
I too was thinking a much higher value.
Aye@@kmc7062
Cheap as Chips
about 30,000 n.z dollars
Oh I love the eye into the camera before the well-rehearsed reaction :D
I didn't believe her when she said she had written what happened to the cards on a paper .. not at all.. The way she said it just didn't ring true.
All those years and those spindly legs were never broken by kids rough housing in the house.
Not the kind of thing that went on back then.
My great uncle made a jewelry box for the queen.
Got any examples of the boxes he made?
Getting Hyacinth Bucket vibes here.
It's pronounced Bouquet ;)
Totally agree. I happen to know her, and her name is Aggie Clackett from Cleethorpes, swears like a trooper, clean municipal toilets for a living. I think she is acting posh too, very Bucket like.
I hope this nice woman is still alive in 2025.
I doubt it. She’d be over 100 I’d say.
@Knappa22 🥺😭
any tree eater who got into this table would feel like hitting the jackpot! 😊
Have never heard that phrase "tree eater" . Could someone explain? Thank you 😊
This must of been filmed a good while ago, England looks English .
No way did she write that story down
my thoughts exactly. Typical of her type I am afraid.. I knew lady like this.. you couldn;t tell her anything and it didn't become her own idea in seconds. lol.
Good thing there’s no chance of a freak rainstorm in the British Isles. :-/
Ronnie wood, Victoria wood
I'm very suspicious of the guy by the Bush, don't know why but he's just a bit shifty!
@spindle69jm .......could be the womans son
LOL!
Our Atty!
8500? That’s it? Well, I’ll take it for that price!
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That means it's worth about 2 grand, a quarter of what the insurance value is.
He can't even resist the grift script... You must have this insured, it's worth a fortune! You can't afford that much insurance? I know a guy who could sell it for you. Oh, the market is soft, but it's better than nothing? Thanks for the commission!
Nowadays with solid provenance that table is worth many tens of thousands.
@@TransoceanicOutreach and ?
@@jeremykothe2847 lol you really think that's how an esteemed and nationally recognised antiques expert would behave?
@@jonescrusher1 oh hell yes. Look up what happens with all these discovered antiques. That's exactly what they do. That's their job. If not directly, then he knows people who do it and kick some back.
Back in the day when £8,500 was a lot of money.
In 1999 when this was filmed £8,500 is £18,460 today’s money in 2024
The chessboard is sideways, so I hope it is square and fits the other way.
The chessboard is correct , you sit with your knees under the overhanging ends and you have somewhere to place captured pieces chess clock or drinks .......
Quite a lot of these sorts of things disappeared on Guy Fawkes night.
The Duke of Wellington gave it to him aye right so he did
Yes... and my desk here was given to me by Henry VIII...
So very tempted to respond with something equally crass but thought better of it.
@@yvoheaton6402 You have to eventually prove it was given to you by the Duke of Wellington... saying it isn't quite enough...
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I had beef wellington and the only thing I got from it was indigestion.
There’s a lady in Australia who poisoned her ex husband’s parents with poisonous mushrooms in a beef Wellington
£8,500
Hang on, is there any actual evidence for any of this?! I could get any old vase from 1854 and say "Prince Albert had a waz in this, give us a fiver guv"
No, the value was set for the item, not the story. For a value to be recognized you need more than a story and its usually something to do with the creator of the item, not who had it. That said, a story can bring up the price when selling it to some gullible person, but thats neither here nor there.
Oh I agree that with provenance it would be worth far more, but £8.5k on a 1790s card table is ridiculous unless it literally belonged to the Duke of Boots. You can buy late- Georgian satinwood games tables for about £800.
With specific names they can show provenance
8,5 k. Hmm, about a decent hand in poker...
There is a timing problem with this piece being a gift from Field Marshal Sir Arthur Wellesley, !st Duke of Wellington. The piece is dated as being from the 1780's or 90's, and Wellesley wasn't in a position to make that kind of gift at that point. He didn't have a lot of money until 1804, the same year he was knighted. Wellesley didn't become Viscount Wellington until 1809.
Maybe it was a gift to the Duke many years after it was made.
The date is for the Table NOT the date it was given as a present ..... Keep up son ...... Also he was a General in the British Army for years before he became Lord Wellington , how many impoverished Generals have you heard of ????
@@PhilipKerry Unless it had sentimental value, why would someone give a used item as a gift? Second, the statement "he didn't have a lot of money until 1804..." was researched. Richard Wellesley, 1st Marquis Wellesley, was appointed Governor-General of India in 1798 and appointed his brother commander of the Army forces in India. General Wellesley's fortune increased considerably until his return to England in 1804.
@@roberthudson1959 It says his " fortune increased " which means he had a " fortune " in the first place , it just became a bigger " fortune " . Also people regularly gave items they owned as gifts in those days especially if the recipient had expressed a liking for the object previously . I know reading English is hard for some .
@@PhilipKerry I don't mind professional debates, but I despise personal ones. Have a good life.
The best of British colonialism
I cannot believe Sheraton designed a card table with leaves unsupported, terrible design IMO. The lady had more style than the piece of furniture!
did she find it in a skip or pay 25p in a charity shop?
The lady sounds almost like queen Elizabeth!!
nothing like her.
This lady needs to learn not to talk over people
The chess board is incorrectly oriented.
Unless the players sit at the ends of the flaps - which doesn't seem very ergonomic. 😳
@@fburton8 The player sits there as the " flaps " provide a place to put a chess clock captured pieces or beverages . the " ergonomics " are fine ....
@@PhilipKerry Yes, but then the board orientation is incorrect.
what do you mean sort of? it either is or it isnt.
800k pounds
But who decides what the prices are going to be, it had to start by one person, in the 50s tat like that would have ended up on the bonfire by the kids collecting for the bonfire. 😂
The 'market' decides and factors drive up or down the prices that people are willing to pay. It's all fundamentally down to collectability and desirability and fashion can inflate or decimate the price of any piece. As you say, there are 'windows' of time too which determine whether something is merely out-of-date or antique - I have quite a bit of glassware from the 50's, for example, which at the moment is largely worthless but could gain value in another decade or two :fingers crossed: :D
There was an old AR episode where someone came in with a chair they saved from a bonfire. Apparently there was an entire living room full of matching chairs and tables and whatnot and the previous owner set it all on fire. The chair turned out to be an Carlo Bugatti and was worth thousands. And still is. So someone lit what would be six figures on fire right there because he thought that his particular sense of aesthetics was eternal und universal.
lol what?
This makes superb television, in contrast to the pale imitation woke programme of today. Today they would probably have been discussing John Lennon's washbag. It makes my blood boil.
No, they would have been discussing a Matabele hitting stick
In the British Library (the one that was attached to the British Museum) there used to be a display case containing a Gutenberg Bible, a Magna Carta, and a napkin with words written in blue ink: "Yesterday, all my troubles looked so far away, Now it seems as though they are here to stay… etc."
Woke 😂😂😂 Antiques Roadshow woke PMSL you are living in a dream world.
I am afraid in my quill and ink world I had to google PMSL. Your comment falls short of me, thankfully. @@vernonbear
I didn't hear anybody attacking vulnerable minorities, insulting racial or cultural differences, or oppressing women. The clip, at least, seemed pretty "woke" to me, and all the better for it.
Don't beleave it, l have a sandwich, from lord sandwich... Honestly 🤔🤔🤔🤔🇫🇷
Earl, surely.
Seems cheap
for 8 grand I could buy a new one for that.
Obviosly she was hot back then to be gifted by the duke.lol
What a load of tosh… Darkwood furniture is Unsellable these day no matter what it is… Regardless of who owned it. Its value has Plummeted..
1999...
24 years ago this was the valuation.
Times change tastes...or taste changes over time...
Not unsaleable as it depends on personal tastes , not everyone shops at B&M ...........
that programme wasn;t made THESE DAYS.. its an old recording.
Before black presenters were on just because of woke
🤔 What would they know about British history? 🤪
So black people can't become antiques experts?
@@eddylloyd7413
You actually be surprised these days.
so, no black person is an antique dealer, expert or auctioneer? I see.. glad you told me that.. you eejit!
what would THEY?????? to be black is not to know anything about British history.. RUBBISH. @@eddylloyd7413
Definitely can’t play chess on it as board is wrong way round. So it’s a useless item.
It's not suthenticated. So the value is far far less
No more than £50.
I usually thank god but each to their own, maybe she knows something I don’t.
I am always amazed by this sort of nonsense. It’s just stuff.
It is often very nice stuff with some interesting history behind it.