I've watched at least 10 videos describing axis rotation/tilt and rev rate and hands down this video gave me my "ah ha" moment!!! I'm a struggling 195 average bowler still trying to crack the 200 threshold and ditch my handicap. Working on my spare game and using this video should put me over the top. Can't believe i've been throwing my ball down the lane incorrectly all these years!!! Thanks JR!! Your videos are the best HANDS DOWN!! Hope to one day meet you and thank you personally!
You are the only person that should be teaching people to curve a bowling ball..... your videos are always step by step very articulate and to the point...... TY FOR THIS VIDEO!
Thank you for explaining and not talking down to us. You have made this soooooo easy to follow and practice. And, with your explanations, you can feel right away where you went wrong. Thanks again!
A bunch of other places I saw only talked about how to get the fingers on the inside of the ball. It was great to be able to see what that actually meant. I almost instantly realized that I was always on the outside of the ball. I am looking forward to trying it when I am at the lanes next.
OMG! Some people have skills or talent but can’t teach. JR is amazing at teaching and explaining a technique in such a clear way. I just found a gold nugget. Thank you and I can’t wait to try this drill out to improve my rev rate.
wow... i have been throwing my ball exactly as you described. i've had my fingers on the outside for the longest time as well as not flipping my wrist. i notice that for my first 10 frames or so i am not thinking about it and just doing what feels right. after that, i tend to think about it more and my fingers move to the outside as well as i will begin to lock my wrist because i thought these were correct! thank you so much for this video and please keep them coming. excellent information, great camera angles, and the explanations are PERFECT. have not been able to find something like this on youtube yet.
Thanks for these. There’s a video online where a couple coaches with some real credentials tackle the question “How to increase rev rate?” Their answer is pretty much “if you’re past a certain age, you probably can’t.” Well, that’s encouraging. I do struggle with hand position, once the ball swings back past my leg I lose track of where it is and my hand rotates to the outside of the ball. Then when I get to the bottom of the swing I have nowhere to go. Coach has me working no-step drills. Ain’t no fun in fundamentals.
Get the fundamentals right, and the rest will come with it. I watched the same video, but, it is not entirely true. It's all in the timing and a relaxed arm.
The great Marshall Holman was the first bowler I remember using this technique. Of course I don't know if he knew that this would be called a "yo yo/frisbee" release. In his video, he never explained the how to release this way but just to stay behind the ball. In fact it was Don Johnson video that really explained this relese in a basic way. This was in the 70's early 80's! I would use the slo mo option in my VCR and saw that the release was this different that what has always been taught. All said, I have a release similar to Walter Ray Williams if I had to compare. I would have to go through a rough "learning" season for me to change to this release. I'm happy where I'm at.
Great Video JR.... I Did Put This In Practice Last Week Thursday I End It Up Picking My Number Of Strikes Bowling a 224 First Game Then 228 and 243 Improving At Every Game.....Thank You So Much This Tips Really Work Great 👍 At First I Was Bowling In Mid 160/180's
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This helped me understand the difference between the "conventional" vs "traditional" release so much. Seeing great results with my rev rate and this helped keep my elbow closer to my body. Great video and advice!
This series has been very helpful. I'm excited to give it a shot. I've seen pros with that inward rotation as you mentioned just couldn't wrap my head around the timing of it. Thank you and I look forward to more of this series.
I'd like to add that seeing more full shots with an emphasis on what you are teaching in that lesson would be helpful for more visual learners such as myself. Thanks again!
Thanks for this AND the SLOW MO!! Helps validate my release is very similar. Staying under it with that "frisbee / yo-yo". Well described & shown here. Despite not using a thumb hole...however I'm strongly wanting to add that for more stable swing & release. Averaging 178 as is with much room for improvement in spare shooting but that's a diff. issue/vid. Thanks again.
Now I have to learn playing left now. Playing up the lane isn't working anymore. All 4 of my bowling balls hook way to much, especially my Storm Invasion and Jackel Le.. Very cool video 💥
I have seen a lot of rev rate related bowling videos on RUclips, yours included. My issue is not just rev rate but ball weight. I have two at 13 lbs. I mostly throw two-handed and can handle these easily. Earlier today I scored 232 with the 13 lb balls, very good for me. Then I switched to 14 lbs and my score dropped by about 100 points. The problem is I just don't have the arm strength to throw the 14 lb ball. I just bought two of them and so don't want to call it quits. Technically, based on body weight, I should use a 15 lb ball. All I can say to that is, hell no. I notice that if I really move my arm back in the swing I can get some extra umph behind the throw, but even then, it's a bit of a struggle. I've had some great shots doing this, but they're surrounded by a bunch of lousy throws. Any advice/strategy how to handle a heavier ball? Thank you.
Haha my coach is getting me to do this..teaching me to get more revs..but my ball speed is still around the 17mph mark...so i run out of lane quick lol
How come I am not having that light bulb moment yet!!?? I’m getting frustrated ah!! I tear the cover off the ball but not the way I want!! I bowled three games yesterday and focused solely on staying behind the ball!! I thought I was doing it. The ball was rolling like I wanted and everything. I go back and look at my video and I’m still coming around the side of the ball just not as much!!! Wtf!!!
Do you got down and around at the release? I had one instructor tell me to dump it down onto the lane like I'm downward skiing. Also, is my hand turning the ball or is the ball turning my hand?
The technique being shown by Mr. Raymond won't increase your rev rate, but it will impart more side roll and the ball will hook more. Even so, I always keep my fingers at the bottom for the following reasons. I am smaller than Mr. Raymond and lose too much power if I'm not behind the ball. I have been bowling since 1979 when we barely had any hook. Today's balls and synthetic lanes have so much hook I have to make sure to buy a ball that doesn't hook too much. While my hook isn't huge, I have enough hook and getting more is playing with fire. I believe in accuracy, consistency, and straighter. I want my ball hitting the pocket in the same place every time and if the hook is wrong I want too little so I leave a ten pin rather than too much hook and hitting high. To accomplish that I keep my wrist locked in position and don't snap or vary it. If you vary your hand position, you add a significant variable to your game that requires greater understanding and experience to control. My observation is when I throw with more side roll it increases the chances of leaving the ten pin, but the strikes are more exciting.
Heck no! Keeping elbow in fingers way back behind the ball, yes but I never come around like that. It puts an incorrect rotation on the ball. There is a USBC tutorial vid that explains that. My fingers stay behind the ball, releasing straight up. The side weight does the rest when the ball reaches the break point.
Honestly, It's all about the bowler not the ball in a sense. I know many people as well as myself that can play with a house ball and get it to hook as much as any ball. The problem is the cover on the ball of a house ball is much less reactive than a high performance ball that has a big weight block to add hook/energy/pin action.
Nothing. They way shown here by JR is how you increase Axis tilt. So it is normal for you to throw it more like a spinner if you do this. If you don't want to throw it like a spinner, place the back of your hand more towards your body (palm facing the lane to the right) and then do your release. I hope this helps.
@@bowlingxp8345 yeah. Now that I have learned plenty more things on how to hook a bowling ball properly, that rev rate would kind of disappear. I also either don't uncup my wrist or I am doing it and I don't know it. I later figured out that I wasn't letting my thumb out fast enough. I still have to get better at that, but hey, at least it's a start
Are you referring to walking speed or ball speed? Walking speed can be a little tricky since it can throw off your timing if you aren't careful, but if you need to walk faster but don't want to mess up your timing you can hold the ball at a different height to help compensate. In the event you were referring to ball speed, holding the ball up higher can help a little bit, but you can also put a little extra power in the ball by pushing off with the leg you don't land on before you slide. Hope this helped!
Ball speed is generated with your legs and a loose arm swing. Simply let the ball fall from the top of your swing. If you want more speed accelerate through the bottom of the swing and you will have more speed. But remember with an increase in speed rev rate needs to match so that the ball doesn't over or under hook.
@@AverageLeagueHack I've got that looked into, apparently my pso thinks its fine (I never recognised any issues with it, but that might be my own ignorance)
@@arecus54 Think about it, the spinner shot is similar to when a football players spins the ball on its point which you could never do without your thumb. It's squeezing the ball against your thumb and rotating your wrist. Has your guy checked the oil track to see the amount of axis tilt you have. It's only possible to get spinner rotation if you're rotating wrist with your thumb still in the ball, maybe you're rotating your wrist early. I pretty sure it's one of those. Thumb late or wrist early.
I luv ya, JR, but you need to come up with a different analogy than throwing it “like a frisbee.” Pick up a frisbee and throw it (correctly!). The frisbee mechanics are NOTHING like the bowling release. The wrist motion is exactly opposite, in fact.
Take your thumb out the ball..... Throw it tha same way!!! Get an extra 250 rpm's on your bowling ball haha lmao hahah love savage godlike haha lmao hahah ;D
I've watched at least 10 videos describing axis rotation/tilt and rev rate and hands down this video gave me my "ah ha" moment!!! I'm a struggling 195 average bowler still trying to crack the 200 threshold and ditch my handicap. Working on my spare game and using this video should put me over the top. Can't believe i've been throwing my ball down the lane incorrectly all these years!!! Thanks JR!! Your videos are the best HANDS DOWN!! Hope to one day meet you and thank you personally!
You are the only person that should be teaching people to curve a bowling ball..... your videos are always step by step very articulate and to the point...... TY FOR THIS VIDEO!
Thank you for explaining and not talking down to us. You have made this soooooo easy to follow and practice. And, with your explanations, you can feel right away where you went wrong. Thanks again!
A bunch of other places I saw only talked about how to get the fingers on the inside of the ball. It was great to be able to see what that actually meant. I almost instantly realized that I was always on the outside of the ball. I am looking forward to trying it when I am at the lanes next.
BY FAR the best videos on this topic. Thank you!!
OMG! Some people have skills or talent but can’t teach. JR is amazing at teaching and explaining a technique in such a clear way. I just found a gold nugget. Thank you and I can’t wait to try this drill out to improve my rev rate.
Thanks, going to try this, I always come around the ball to much.
wow... i have been throwing my ball exactly as you described. i've had my fingers on the outside for the longest time as well as not flipping my wrist. i notice that for my first 10 frames or so i am not thinking about it and just doing what feels right. after that, i tend to think about it more and my fingers move to the outside as well as i will begin to lock my wrist because i thought these were correct! thank you so much for this video and please keep them coming. excellent information, great camera angles, and the explanations are PERFECT. have not been able to find something like this on youtube yet.
I did this yesterday and bowled a 253 but could not repeat the high score, it had a lot to do with my lazy self not moving. Thanks JR.
Thanks for these. There’s a video online where a couple coaches with some real credentials tackle the question “How to increase rev rate?” Their answer is pretty much “if you’re past a certain age, you probably can’t.” Well, that’s encouraging. I do struggle with hand position, once the ball swings back past my leg I lose track of where it is and my hand rotates to the outside of the ball. Then when I get to the bottom of the swing I have nowhere to go. Coach has me working no-step drills. Ain’t no fun in fundamentals.
Get the fundamentals right, and the rest will come with it. I watched the same video, but, it is not entirely true. It's all in the timing and a relaxed arm.
The great Marshall Holman was the first bowler I remember using this technique. Of course I don't know if he knew that this would be called a "yo yo/frisbee" release. In his video, he never explained the how to release this way but just to stay behind the ball. In fact it was Don Johnson video that really explained this relese in a basic way. This was in the 70's early 80's! I would use the slo mo option in my VCR and saw that the release was this different that what has always been taught. All said, I have a release similar to Walter Ray Williams if I had to compare. I would have to go through a rough "learning" season for me to change to this release. I'm happy where I'm at.
1. Keep elbow an finger inwards towards body
2. At the bottom release point fingers go outwards
3.
Great Video JR....
I Did Put This In Practice Last Week Thursday
I End It Up Picking My Number Of Strikes
Bowling a 224 First Game Then 228 and 243
Improving At Every Game.....Thank You So Much This Tips Really Work Great 👍 At First I Was Bowling In Mid 160/180's
I really enjoy watching your videos, tons of help with my game
Once again, slightly bending the elbow just prior to the release then straighten it at release is an advantage.
Communication is best when it's simple and clear. Good job! Thank you!
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@@trishsansom ???? WHAT?
Best video I have seen on this topic.. Thank You
Great videos on the release. Very easy to understand.
This helped me understand the difference between the "conventional" vs "traditional" release so much. Seeing great results with my rev rate and this helped keep my elbow closer to my body. Great video and advice!
Oh this video is the best I've found! Thank you!!!
This series has been very helpful. I'm excited to give it a shot. I've seen pros with that inward rotation as you mentioned just couldn't wrap my head around the timing of it. Thank you and I look forward to more of this series.
I'd like to add that seeing more full shots with an emphasis on what you are teaching in that lesson would be helpful for more visual learners such as myself. Thanks again!
stay inside the swing until thumb comes out just before the bottom of your swing everything else will almost happen on its own like magic
Thanks for this AND the SLOW MO!! Helps validate my release is very similar. Staying under it with that "frisbee / yo-yo". Well described & shown here.
Despite not using a thumb hole...however I'm strongly wanting to add that for more stable swing & release. Averaging 178 as is with much room for improvement in spare shooting but that's a diff. issue/vid. Thanks again.
Thank you that is exactly what I was trying to figure out. .
Can't wait to try this out.
I've often wondered about the release position and if I should be trying to "help" the rotation. I am going to have to try this.
This helped keep me from turning my hand to the outside early and pushing the ball inside of target. I did miss to the outside more than normal.
Your videos are some of the best breakdowns I have seen. Thanks for the helpful advice!
Desde Pereira, Colombia, mil gracias. este video me ha servido MUCHO MUCHO, por fin pude entender muchos conceptos y mejorar mi swing.
Now I have to learn playing left now. Playing up the lane isn't working anymore. All 4 of my bowling balls hook way to much, especially my Storm Invasion and Jackel Le.. Very cool video 💥
Thankyou so much dude! You help me understand my release like nobody else.
A frisbee?
Great explanation!
Wish you would have kept the yellow tape on above the fingers so we could see the rotation though.
I have seen a lot of rev rate related bowling videos on RUclips, yours included. My issue is not just rev rate but ball weight. I have two at 13 lbs. I mostly throw two-handed and can handle these easily. Earlier today I scored 232 with the 13 lb balls, very good for me. Then I switched to 14 lbs and my score dropped by about 100 points. The problem is I just don't have the arm strength to throw the 14 lb ball. I just bought two of them and so don't want to call it quits. Technically, based on body weight, I should use a 15 lb ball. All I can say to that is, hell no. I notice that if I really move my arm back in the swing I can get some extra umph behind the throw, but even then, it's a bit of a struggle. I've had some great shots doing this, but they're surrounded by a bunch of lousy throws. Any advice/strategy how to handle a heavier ball? Thank you.
Wow a light bulb went off when I watched this video.
Wow now I get it
Looks like a quarter on the ground on the carpet. About 2-3 feet past the opening on the left
Although probably not, because that spot appears the same in older videos too
Do I hold that inside ball position for the whole downswing ?
I worked on this today harder then it looks
Keep working. Once you get it. It gets much easier
Big help to my game
Excellent video.can you make one how to keep ball next to your ankle
keep trail leg back and some spine tilt, impossible to release near slide foot when trail leg and hip come forward
In the carpet to the right of the foul light on lane 2.
What?
you should use a colorful ball so we can see the revs
Haha my coach is getting me to do this..teaching me to get more revs..but my ball speed is still around the 17mph mark...so i run out of lane quick lol
I've slowed my ball speed down some and it's really helped. Too much speed can kill your shot.
How come I am not having that light bulb moment yet!!?? I’m getting frustrated ah!! I tear the cover off the ball but not the way I want!! I bowled three games yesterday and focused solely on staying behind the ball!! I thought I was doing it. The ball was rolling like I wanted and everything. I go back and look at my video and I’m still coming around the side of the ball just not as much!!! Wtf!!!
Great video thanks!
Excellent!
I have tried this but still struggle getting my thumb out the ball so my elbow pointed towards my inside?
Do you got down and around at the release? I had one instructor tell me to dump it down onto the lane like I'm downward skiing. Also, is my hand turning the ball or is the ball turning my hand?
Would be nice if he answered questions
The technique being shown by Mr. Raymond won't increase your rev rate, but it will impart more side roll and the ball will hook more. Even so, I always keep my fingers at the bottom for the following reasons. I am smaller than Mr. Raymond and lose too much power if I'm not behind the ball. I have been bowling since 1979 when we barely had any hook. Today's balls and synthetic lanes have so much hook I have to make sure to buy a ball that doesn't hook too much. While my hook isn't huge, I have enough hook and getting more is playing with fire. I believe in accuracy, consistency, and straighter. I want my ball hitting the pocket in the same place every time and if the hook is wrong I want too little so I leave a ten pin rather than too much hook and hitting high. To accomplish that I keep my wrist locked in position and don't snap or vary it. If you vary your hand position, you add a significant variable to your game that requires greater understanding and experience to control. My observation is when I throw with more side roll it increases the chances of leaving the ten pin, but the strikes are more exciting.
Will thar increase your amount of hook
Heck no! Keeping elbow in fingers way back behind the ball, yes but I never come around like that. It puts an incorrect rotation on the ball. There is a USBC tutorial vid that explains that. My fingers stay behind the ball, releasing straight up. The side weight does the rest when the ball reaches the break point.
Thanks sir
I love these videos, but as a disc golfer as well, I cringed at the frisbee analogy.
Kool... Blessings...I see you Coaches standing on the left of the and hooking the ball in...I stand on the right...is that wring? J
J.A. Posadas nope
Wow thanks
I ask myself now, do you need a Special Core Ball for that Spin or can you do that in a Bowling Hall with their Standard Balls ???
House balls do not have a surface that will hook much, but if you throw it slower, it will hook if you throw it right. Just don't get your hopes up.
Honestly, It's all about the bowler not the ball in a sense. I know many people as well as myself that can play with a house ball and get it to hook as much as any ball. The problem is the cover on the ball of a house ball is much less reactive than a high performance ball that has a big weight block to add hook/energy/pin action.
@@pryx4661 ok ty for the info i have to try and Practice a bit more then i guess,
Thank u sir
When I try to release the ball the why you show in the video I end up throwing a spinner. What am I doing wrong?
Nothing. They way shown here by JR is how you increase Axis tilt. So it is normal for you to throw it more like a spinner if you do this. If you don't want to throw it like a spinner, place the back of your hand more towards your body (palm facing the lane to the right) and then do your release. I hope this helps.
@JR Raymond I think my ball might be too heavy for me because when I swing I can never seem to get my wrist to stay under the ball
Check your fit. If the ball feels heavy, it could be because you have trouble hanging onto it.
heliflyer999 I have gotten better at gripping it the way he says in the video by practicing it during my league. Thanks!
@@thelucidator6439 other than practicing, you can also do some bicep/forearm exercises to strengthen your wrist and grip.
P.S. how the hell do you throw a frisbee??!! That is not making any sense to me at all??
Is this the same motion for 2handers?
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When I do that...my ball looks like its spinning on the bottom..instead of rolling....
That means you're wrist is broken on top of the ball. Try to stay inside and yo yo thru the ball instead all the way around it
My hand hurt while doing this on regular ball.
Hi, I Have a question for you - why we need to Increase Bowling Ball Rev Rate? Please your answer
Personal preference due to players styles but generally meaning the higher the rev rate = more energy the ball rolls with and more pin reaction.
I don't keep my fingers on the inside of the ball and I still get plenty of rev rate.
That's probably because you have a fast uncupping of your wrist and/or bent elbow. Normal :)
@@bowlingxp8345 yeah. Now that I have learned plenty more things on how to hook a bowling ball properly, that rev rate would kind of disappear. I also either don't uncup my wrist or I am doing it and I don't know it. I later figured out that I wasn't letting my thumb out fast enough. I still have to get better at that, but hey, at least it's a start
@@vincentandujar4216 same here lol
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how do I up my speed, Im at like 11-13 mark
Are you referring to walking speed or ball speed? Walking speed can be a little tricky since it can throw off your timing if you aren't careful, but if you need to walk faster but don't want to mess up your timing you can hold the ball at a different height to help compensate. In the event you were referring to ball speed, holding the ball up higher can help a little bit, but you can also put a little extra power in the ball by pushing off with the leg you don't land on before you slide. Hope this helped!
Ball speed is generated with your legs and a loose arm swing. Simply let the ball fall from the top of your swing. If you want more speed accelerate through the bottom of the swing and you will have more speed. But remember with an increase in speed rev rate needs to match so that the ball doesn't over or under hook.
I understand the yo-yo description but I never understood the frisbee toss. Mechanics don’t make sense
Anyone constantly somehow throwing a spinner/UFO ball instead when trying this?
your thumb is in the ball too long and coming out simultaneously with fingers
@@AverageLeagueHack I've got that looked into, apparently my pso thinks its fine (I never recognised any issues with it, but that might be my own ignorance)
@@arecus54 Think about it, the spinner shot is similar to when a football players spins the ball on its point which you could never do without your thumb. It's squeezing the ball against your thumb and rotating your wrist. Has your guy checked the oil track to see the amount of axis tilt you have. It's only possible to get spinner rotation if you're rotating wrist with your thumb still in the ball, maybe you're rotating your wrist early. I pretty sure it's one of those. Thumb late or wrist early.
I luv ya, JR, but you need to come up with a different analogy than throwing it “like a frisbee.” Pick up a frisbee and throw it (correctly!). The frisbee mechanics are NOTHING like the bowling release. The wrist motion is exactly opposite, in fact.
The frisbee analogy is about the movement of the fingers not the wrist
Hot how to to fare better hook
Please, subtitulos in Spanish. Thanks.
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Take your thumb out the ball..... Throw it tha same way!!! Get an extra 250 rpm's on your bowling ball haha lmao hahah love savage godlike haha lmao hahah ;D