ÑĪŃJÄxxŚÑĮPĖR :D She wanted to be part of the Heroes vs Villains. But the producers cut her off. I heard she was cut off by the producers twice. One if HvV and I forgot which season is the other one. I wonder why they don't pick her to come back when she herself really wanted to.
That play was one of the reasons why Cirie is my top pick for best player to never win. Had there not been the last minute F3 to F2 switch, all three get to the end where Cirie would end up taking the prize
She still couldn't win though. She made some great moves but she was a little addicted to flashy moves rather than moves that gave her the best chance of getting to the end imo.
To be fair to Cirie, they thought it was a Final 3 in Micronesia. They don't find out it's a Final 2 until Day 38. So in Amanda's and Parvati's minds, they were fine with taking her to the finals. It wasn't until Amanda won that final Immunity that she thought about voting out Cirie, which she did.
Break the ice parvati won because she was closer to Amanda and production fucking rigged it for her with a final 2 twist, if it was final 3 as expected Curie landside wins
Michelle Ullman I was actually surprise then that it was suddenly made in to Final 2 when the original plan was Final 3. I love Parv but I also think they made it into Final 2 so that she will win. If it was Final 3 there is no way she could have ever win at all. She's 3rd place for sure. The winner will only either be Amanda or Cirie. Amanda for sure will still get Ozzy, James and Erik because they like her and was closest with her. Those boys are very loyal. Cirie will for sure get Alexis (she said on her Ponderosa video that she wanted Cirie to win) and Eliza (she hates Parv & Amanda). Maybe Jason too. Natalie is the one hard to predict though. She may still go with Parv. My only issue with Micronesia is that they should have told the cast it was Final 2 from the get go not tell them it's Final 3 and then suddenly change it to Final 2 on the last day. That was unfair. But the season is still great.
Cirie is one of the best social players in the history of survivor.. I can't wait watching her in the upcoming season.. hope she can work with Sandra to make a strategist duo
It was harder to get Tai to turn on Scot than Cochran to turn on Savaii. Cochran didn't really have a clear end game with Savaii. With Tai, if he stayed the course and Aubry left at 8 (using super idol or not) Tai, Julia, Jason, and Scot could figure it out from there and Tai likely gets to the final 3 at least ahead of Julia and certainly has a better chance to beat Jason and Scot over Aubry and Michele.
@@vaporterra I kinda doubt that Tai makes it to the end in that scenario. I feel like Jaison and Scot would have eventually realized they would have no chance of beating Tai in the end, and probably would have cut him loose around the final 5 and taken someone they thought they could beat like...probably Julia or Michelle.
Natalie's move against Erik is soooo underrated. Heck I doubt Foa Foa would've gotten the momentum had she not done that. Russell just panicked the whole time and wasted his idol. He was lucky enough to find an idol afterwards. I credit him for flipping John over, but that's it.
+Jack Jansen Yea nobody gives Jaison credit. However you also have to give Russell credit for blindsiding Kelly and flipping Shamboo and John to his side. Those moves were also necessary for foa Foa's success. Actually Erik and Kelly's blindsides were the two key moves that lead to Foa Foa's success.
+BladeBlurX you have us 8 to 4. What difference does one person make? Paraphrasing, yes, but that's how you tip the first domino. Natalie White. Not a coattail rider.
I'm so incredulously glad that you put the Penner/Lisa conversation on there, as not only as it one of my favorite scenes in the entirety of the show, but I also think it shows how underrated Penner is. While he sure as hell isn't on the same level as Cirie Fields or Kim Spradlin, he still understands people and the game of Survivor so incredibly well on a conceptual level, and the majority of his issues come from his actual execution.
Unpopular opinion: Vytas was much better socially pre-swap than he was post-swap and pre-merge. He didn't have to do much of anything once he was on a tribe with Tina and Katie, as the three of them had a pre-game alliance with Aras. Kat and Laura B had no shot of surviving on that swapped tribe.
Cirie came up with basically all of the Black Widdow Alliance's best ideas, and then when it came down to persuasion Cirie did it cause she was the best (Amanda's amazing too though)
ChaoSloth I actually felt bad for Cirie because she is the one who came up with the ideas and plan the blindsides but everything was credited to Parvati. It was her who planned on Ozzy's blindside. She talk Alexis and Natalie in to it. All Parv did was flip her vote. And also the one who come up with Erik giving up his immunity necklace. It anything Parv have nothing to do with the Erik blindside at all. Cirie is the one who planned it all and then she had Amanda convince Erik to take her to reward and send Parv to exile to get Natalie mad and have Erik feeling guilty, and then finally she told Natalie to convince Erik to give up the necklace as redemption. Yau-man and Joel blindside is also because of Cirie and yet nothing was credited to her. The production credited everything to Parvati.
⭐️ GUANLIN / EXO / ZTAO ⭐️ Also it’s been said that Parvati was the one who came up with the idea of blindsiding Ozzy. I guess they edited it to make her the swing vote instead to create more suspense? Cirie gets credit for the Erik boot, but Parvati had more impact the whole season according to the jury.
Good list. One that you forgot, from HvV, Russel Hantz telling Tyson that he is done with Parv, and that he is gonna vote for her ... That changed the whole game, and the fact that a player like Tyson could believe that , says something..
Tyson said himself that Russell talking to him didn't affect his vote at all but whatever m.hitfix.com/blogs/the-fien-print/posts/hitfix-interview-tyson-apostol-explains-his-survivor-heroes-vs-villains-vote
+manniman82 Russell is by far the worst player. Going into HvV no one knew who he was because Somoa hadn't even aired yet so he had a huge advantage already going into the game yet he still somehow screwed it up. He unnecessarily pissed off jury members which ensured him to have no votes (DANIELLE, coach, Candace). Russell probably couldn't even dupe a piece of bread if gave him 20 minutes and instructions.
Why was Penner's talk to Lisa there? It wasn't even her that ended up flipping, it was Skupin. All his talks with her were pointless, because she never actually voted the same as him. I'm pretty sure she voted for Penner three times as well.
Eager Turtle Because of the result it shows- he established such a rapport with her that when given the chance, she wanted to work with him and Carter over Malcolm and Denise, and they offered him that deal. If he'd taken it, he easily could have won the season.
But he didn't take the deal. And she chose Penner and Carter because she liked carter just as much. And she had targeted Malcolm openly at the f10 so she probably was hesitant to work with him. I understand that he put a lot of work in to Lisa, but I don't think you can call it a great social play when it didn't work. I would have added Natalie and Sandra convincing Russell they would never win while being more socially liked than him by the jury. Also could have chosen Parvati bringing in Natalie and Alexis for her alliance. It put her in a great position where she had strong connections to everybody at the merge apart from Eliza and Jason. I still like watching these kinds of video and love the discussion they allow on Survivor, as it is one of my favorite shows. Keep up the good work!
Eager Turtle oh no, that move worked and here's why. When Skupin asked Lisa who she trusted more between Malcolm and Penner, she said Penner and it was because of that conversation. Had she not said him, he would have been voted out that night. He may have been voted out later, but still the opportunity for that deal came up, even though he didn't take it, he made it to the point where it was offered to him.
Skupin made it clear in that episode that he wasn't moving without Lisa. So I'm pretty sure that Skupin flipped but Lisa didn't because she wanted to flip to Penner's side without looking like a "bad guy" and so she told him to vote with Penner while she voted against him. Otherwise, they would never move independently.
I would guess Lisa stayed with Artis to split the vote but she seemed pretty pro Penner for a bit- shocking for the almost certainly gone dude. The fact that he stayed alive enough to fuck up his own game royally was as amazing as his fuck up was
I believe the idea of her being the woman that got off the couch and played, her run in Panama is pretty heroic and she’s one of the saner people in the Kasaya alliance.
Cirie was an underdog who people like Shane and Terry thought they could use. She was on the bottom of Ozzy’s alliance and simply a number to him. Cirie was much more of a hero than Condescending Colby, Tom who drove Ian to tears; JT who stabbed Taj in the back and let Stephen look like a villain and get racked over the coals, Candace who flipped on the Aitu four so she could be with her high school click Alliance, Stephanie who constantly referred to her tribe mates as losers in both Palau and Guatemala. Oh and despite claims of having heart, she jumped off a log for pizza in an immunity challenge despite being the only Ulong left. Of and she betrayed almost everyone in Ulong as well as several people in Guatemala. And then there’s Sugar, who got the sweetheart edit, but several cast members of Gabon such as Kenny said she acted like an entitled princess. She also said that she just wanted to be on TV. Cirie is arguably the most heroic of all the heroes, even if she doesn’t fit the “all American” archetype. She may have blindsided people to improve her own position, but never danced on anyone’s grave. She wasn’t holier than thou like Tom and Colby. She had the heart that people often credited Stephanie of having.
Cirie was an underdog who people like Shane and Terry thought they could use. She was on the bottom of Ozzy’s alliance and simply a number to him. Cirie was much more of a hero than Condescending Colby, Tom who drove Ian to tears; JT who stabbed Taj in the back and let Stephen look like a villain and get racked over the coals, Candace who flipped on the Aitu four so she could be with her high school click Alliance, Stephanie who constantly referred to her tribe mates as losers in both Palau and Guatemala. Oh and despite claims of having heart, she jumped off a log for pizza in an immunity challenge despite being the only Ulong left. Of and she betrayed almost everyone in Ulong as well as several people in Guatemala. And then there’s Sugar, who got the sweetheart edit, but several cast members of Gabon such as Kenny said she acted like an entitled princess. She also said that she just wanted to be on TV. Cirie is arguably the most heroic of all the heroes, even if she doesn’t fit the “all American” archetype. She may have blindsided people to improve her own position, but never danced on anyone’s grave. She wasn’t holier than thou like Tom and Colby. She had the heart that people often credited Stephanie of having.
He still did as recently as South Pacific, because Brandon decided to pull the same move and give immunity to Albert, and it worked as well for him as it did for Erik
@@NYChica23 But Jenna Morasca pulled the move in The Amazon and won so.... And Chris Underwood recently gave up immunity in EoE so..... It's got a 2/4 success rate of winning you the game. Statistically its 50/50
@@jed9739 Jenna was strategic in giving up that immunity, because she knew that by giving it to Heidi instead, that would force Rob's hand to see if he was lying to them or if he was telling the truth about voting for Christy. And Chris did it because he knew he needed a big move to prove he deserved to win EoE, so that was also carefully calculated. On the other hand, Erik had to have known that there was already a female alliance based on all the men getting picked off one by one, so why take any of them at their word? And Brandon just cracked under the pressure with no logical thought behind giving away his immunity
@@NYChica23 Erik still did it strategically as a way to garner faith with the jury. If Jenna was voted off she'd have been lambasted for giving away immunity to Heidi. There's no difference. All 4 of these immunity give aways were done with strategic intent. It's just hindsight shows which one's were correct in doing so. It has a 50/50 success rate and that's fact.
Russell convincing Tyson to switch his vote to Parvati in Heroes vs. Villains definitely should’ve been on this list. That was a massive game changing social play.
I really enjoy these videos and the commentary they offer on Survivor! Really is quite interesting looking back at some of these plays. I LOOOVED the strategic plays video equally. But this is what makes or breaks the game (manipulation, getting people on your side) and the human nature involved is rather fascinating :D.
Rob could be a freaking mob boss. He is amazing! He would have won if he had just betrayed Amber. But I guess love can blind even the greatest of strategists.
+FutureFamous98 Amazing? The guy played the game 4 fucking times and couldn't win until he got on a show with all newbies. He's the most overrated player in Survivor history.
Kevin Luna by that logic do you think Cirie is a terrible player too? The more you play the harder it is to win because your threat level rises. Rob deserved to win all stars. Had he won that he likely would not have came back more than maybe once. I’m not saying he’s number 1 all time but there’s no way you can say he is not top 10 and likely top 5. Plus winning against a newbie cast is actually pretty impressive regarding the large threat level the returnees have and general disdain returnees get.
In terms of recent seasons, Aubry convincing (manipulating) Tai to flip on Scot, and Sarah managing to vote out Sierra but still get her advantage were my favorite social moves. But the Black Widow Brigade vs Erik is LEGENDARY
Seeing Natalie White's blindside on Erik here gives me so much joy. One of the greatest moves of all time tbh. And better than anything Russell did that entire season.
Gabby Cario I remember laughing out loud at both of those tribals, just seeing how masterful Vytas was at pulling them in. It was awesome, and I have a lot of confidence that Jeff will call his name in just eight nights for S31 :)
cdmnumber3fan I wasn't a big fan of the first BvW so I didn't remember a whole lot about it. So when I saw that Vytas was considered for it, I was thinking why? Then I see this video... and there's my answer. He's a dangerous social player.
+cdmnumber3fan He had a pregame alliance with Tina and her daughter through Aras. It was more a combination of Tina's move and Kat vs Monica added to Vytas having an okay social game.
I really don't think that was strategy. I see why one might think it was an effort to build trust to get Jay to play his idol, but I don't think that was Adam's intention.
i also think it wasn't strategy.. it was simply Adam needed to talk to someone about his feeling and he felt that Jay is the one who can relate the most.. it might benefit Adam in term of game play, but i don't think he was playing the game at that exact moment
They were allies early on at millennial beach so they had a relationship long before that scene, edit just didn't show it. But I think Adam is capable of being both genuine and strategic at the same time.
Cochran was only swayed because he refused to draw a rock to determine his fate in the game. I can't believe Jeff praised Cochran's move so much when it was really just a cowardly move that ruined the game for him along with his original tribe.
Dude, did you even watch the season? His tribe was viciously cruel to him. Editing aside, what they showed happened. It's not like when Chaos Cass blew up the game just for the hell of it. Cochran was genuinely distraught, he's feelings were ignored.... It's not a, "bad move", by Cochran in my opinion, it was multiple, "bad moves", by everyone on his tribe who just assumed he would stay with them. Frankly; when Ozzy tricked Cochran into holding the chicken so it's shit on him when he killed it, I f'ing lost any and all respect I might have had for Ozzy. Arrogant bully who got exactly what he deserved.
@@Jacois Exactly, plus, Cochran would've just been out in 6th if he just stayed with Savaii. So glad he flipped on those turds. One of the worst tribes in Survivor history.
+Whisperingsofwar They did vote james because of his leg, nothing to do with the fake quit. If James were fine, colby would have gone home without any doubt.
+TimelineUpdates he lasted further than every tribemate, all nine of them, there is a reason for that. He is a good social player and was too hard on himself for that season and so too the fans.
maybe but I was just debating your comment saying that his fakout or whatever made him stay .. that did absolutely nothing, and after that things got complicated with the merge, and the people who left the game were chosen by the villains .. again nothing to do wiith colby he was a spectator in that season
Such an awesome list. So cool to look back on these plays, it's funny cause there is so many other plays that could be on it but I like all the ones included
I think no. 10 was just as much strategic than social. I really like number 9. My favourite social play was when Denise was not picked to go on a reward with Skupin in the Phillipines. Skupin took Malcolm and Lisa leaving Denise alone at camp with her biggest enemy Abi. Those rewards are designed to piss off losers and make them flip on their alliances, but Denise kept her cool, kept her alliance and won the game a week later. Most people would have gotten angry and done something stupid, but not denise who for my money might be the best player of all time.
+Jim Beam I think no. 10 is a social move in the sense that Natalie was able to get Jon and Jaclyn to fall for her story, rather than being about her vote for Alec itself (which was a great strategic move).
Oh my Gosh, the Black Widow. Cirie is the Smooth Operator, the water colored acid, the flowery poison, the odorless killer gas, she is the wolf in a sheep wool, she smiles like a baby and bites like a cobra. She shows you her card, if you tell her yours is better she doesn't oppose you, no hint, no flinch, leaves you convinced she is on your side but you are already dead for not taking her's. She conforms like water and then rams like a Rhino.
Miguel S The only way that could have happened is if she convinced Natalie and Erik to sway with her to take out powerhouse Parvati and her sidekick Amanda. This could've been done in the final 6 or 5. Keep in mind going against Parv and Amanda could have cost Cirie both their votes if she went with Erik or Natalie in the end. Very good thinking, most fans would say 'oh if there was just a final 3 of Cirie, Parv, and Amanda, she would have won." which is what i always thought.
Erik was hard to watch back then and now. Any move where you give up idols is crazy!! Survivor is the best at game play!!! Boston Rob hands down is my favorite!!! He was so cheated in All stars, he deserved to win that game. I'm glad he got to come back and show how a champ wins a game😊
Fun fact about #1 a few days prior to him being voted off Erik was found taking food from the producers tent along with James and 1 other person they then went home all 3 in a row
I think this video should be titled "My favorite Survivor boots/ moments" .. You cannot make a top 10 "Social" plays without having Denise Stapley.. Most of those picks are actually strategic boots .. not social plays..
***** You can't really put a lot of the best social players on this list because they don't have signature moves. Take someone like Denise and you can see that her game involves countless of offscreen moments in which she develops strong relationships with people. Yes, you could put her in the top 10 social players, but not in the top 10 social plays.
***** Also Sandra, she relied on plays like these so since she sucks at challenges. I wish they included the one where she convinced Russell that Coach was after him.
The amazing social players rarely get camera time. Take Sierra from WA for example. She got barely any confessionals yet in all the post game interviews everyone said how well she was playing.
Didn't Vytas mainly stick around because Tina had an alliance with Aras? I think the edit gave him the credit but it was mostly her doing, she very smoothly threw Kat under the bus without getting any blowback
Vytas survived Galang not because of his social plays but because he lucked out with the foolishness of Monica over-strategizing, Kat casually mentioning how great it would be to get rid of Monica, and Laura telling him he was going to be eliminated without consent.
If only Darrah had agreed to take Lill to the end which we all saw was a good idea anyway, she probably would have won and Sandra would not have. Amazing
rob is such of good player but in survivor beeing good or best is simply not enugh becuase this game is depend on a lot of luck and switched tribed. becuese somtimes the changes in the game can and will bring to a player vote out. for example ih HvV if tyson wasnt so fear of parvati join to the heroes side when the merge heppend russell simply vote out.
+chagai terem Rob is one of the best players but not the best. He is very overrated. Yea he controlled everyone in redemption island, but the people he controlled were morons who worshiped him and didn't mind losing to him.
+Kevin Luna People like Lex don't understand that you are supposed to lie, steal and cheat to win. You can't play honorably and expect to win, but Lex and many others refuse to do those things so they will never win. This is a game not reality. Just because u behave a certain way in the game does not make u that person in real life. Lex is bitter baby. He needs to understand that u need to lie, steal and cheat to win.
I dont know why everyone thinks Cirie would have won in season 16 if it was a final 3. I think Amanda would have won. All those who voted for Parvati would have split with their votes between her and Cirie while Amanda would still have gotten the votes of Ozzy, James and Erik
Amanda gets Ozzy, James, and Erik. Parvati probably gets Natalie. There's no reason why Cirie couldn't get votes from Alexis, Jason, and Eliza, and she could still get Natalie or if it is 3-3-1 and Natalie has to decide in a revote, Cirie can win that too. Her social game is great and enough people respect her strategic game.
I see what you're saying but I think Erik said somewhere that he would have voted for Cirie in a final three situation. I definitely think you're right about Ozzy and James staying with Amanda though. I could see Natalie still sticking with Parvati (although I think Cirie would possibly be able to sway her, especially because the two of them were both key figures in the Erik blindside and probably bonded over that), but I would be surprised if Eliza stayed with Parvati still. When it's all finished, I think Cirie would have Eliza's, Jason's, Erik's, Alexis's and possibly Natalie's vote as well. It's a shame because Amanda is really good at the game itself but she just can't seem to figure out how to finish strong when it matters most.
Galu voting out Erik still makes no sense. They could have done a vote split (they had 8 vs 4) between Russell and perhaps Mick, although maybe Shambo would have flipped. By voting off Erik they eliminated their ability to vote split, it cost them one tribal later when Kelly went home. All they needed was one Foa Foa to go and then if they want to blindside Erik they can.
Just because Natalie White convinced people to vote out a player in Samoa doesn’t make her a deserving winner. It’s her only only move and it wasn’t even her idea it was Jaison. Natalie’s still a goat.
Rob was stupid in allstars. Lex kept Amber in, then Rob got Lex out first episode of merge. Had he waited and played it out correctly, Lex wouldn't have been ma and wouldn't have flipped jury votes to get Amber the win.
Jonathan Penner isn't a good social player his hated for ALL THE COOK ISLAND JURY i mean basically all the top 13 Vytas become the first boot of Second Chance Fairplay was not too much social, he's more a strategical threat than a social threat Cochran was DESPERATE he's at the bottom, Coach just stay and talks a little bit with him and its done, not too much Rob is a good social player, but the "keep Amber" thing was not too much, theres a lot of things that can be showed Some player should be there like Trish, Amber, Todd, PARVATI, Kim, Kara, Michele from Kaoh Rong, Matty from Gabon, Michelle from Fiji, Sandra, Colleen, Tom from Palau, Tommy from ioi, Victoria from eoe, Danni, Missy from sjds...
Amanda was probably the easiest out of her, Parvati, and Natalie for Cirie to beat. But Cirie would crush any of them at FTC. That's the problem though, and that's why she was voted out right before them.
To the guys; ever been in a situation with a girl, and she just won't shut the fuck up, and she's making ridiculous claims? How she dismisses EVERY attempt you make at logic, and continually just verbally attacks, attacks, attacks, and guilt trips you until you're either SO gas lit you beg for forgiveness for something you haven't done, or you just have to walk away from the f'ing situation before you punch her? That's why Eric gave up immunity.
I love when Kat goes "please stay together guys" and Vytas responds "and we will stay together."
shes awful lol. Such an immature cry baby.
Justin Jones I've never seen that season and I cracked. up. at that.
I really feel that Natalie isn't being given enough credit for how she worked Erik. She should really be an allstar
I'm pretty sure she has been asked back for her gameplay but has turned down the offer(s), so at least the producers recognized her.
ÑĪŃJÄxxŚÑĮPĖR :D She wanted to be part of the Heroes vs Villains. But the producers cut her off. I heard she was cut off by the producers twice. One if HvV and I forgot which season is the other one. I wonder why they don't pick her to come back when she herself really wanted to.
Not really. Erick is a sub 100 iq moron. The best plays are when a smart person gets worked.
Which Natalie and which erik?
Brenna Odair from Micronesia
The Micronesia Black Widow social play was ICONIC. Award winning performance xD really dumb move on Erik's part.
That play was one of the reasons why Cirie is my top pick for best player to never win. Had there not been the last minute F3 to F2 switch, all three get to the end where Cirie would end up taking the prize
truuue i so hated it when they decided to go with F2 instead of F3
#1 was amazing. Cirie is such an amazing strategist.
She still couldn't win though. She made some great moves but she was a little addicted to flashy moves rather than moves that gave her the best chance of getting to the end imo.
Cirie is the better strategist. Parv was the better social player. Which is why Parv won.
To be fair to Cirie, they thought it was a Final 3 in Micronesia. They don't find out it's a Final 2 until Day 38. So in Amanda's and Parvati's minds, they were fine with taking her to the finals. It wasn't until Amanda won that final Immunity that she thought about voting out Cirie, which she did.
Break the ice parvati won because she was closer to Amanda and production fucking rigged it for her with a final 2 twist, if it was final 3 as expected Curie landside wins
Michelle Ullman I was actually surprise then that it was suddenly made in to Final 2 when the original plan was Final 3. I love Parv but I also think they made it into Final 2 so that she will win. If it was Final 3 there is no way she could have ever win at all. She's 3rd place for sure. The winner will only either be Amanda or Cirie. Amanda for sure will still get Ozzy, James and Erik because they like her and was closest with her. Those boys are very loyal. Cirie will for sure get Alexis (she said on her Ponderosa video that she wanted Cirie to win) and Eliza (she hates Parv & Amanda). Maybe Jason too. Natalie is the one hard to predict though. She may still go with Parv.
My only issue with Micronesia is that they should have told the cast it was Final 2 from the get go not tell them it's Final 3 and then suddenly change it to Final 2 on the last day. That was unfair. But the season is still great.
Cirie is one of the best social players in the history of survivor.. I can't wait watching her in the upcoming season.. hope she can work with Sandra to make a strategist duo
Back when social moves was the thing that moved you forward in the game, not 6 idols
Preach!!!
the winner of Season 39 won without using a single advantage or immunity idol, the strategy is still there
I love this list! Social game is extremely underrated: getting people to trust you
I love that blindside of Erik. That will forever be a Survivor classic moment.
I don't know if it's social or strategic but Cirie's 3-2-1 blindside of Courtney is S12 was pure magic.
You can put Aubry convincing Tai to turn on Scot on the list now.
Ya that's what I was thinking when i was watching it
I was just about to comment the same thing.
It was harder to get Tai to turn on Scot than Cochran to turn on Savaii. Cochran didn't really have a clear end game with Savaii. With Tai, if he stayed the course and Aubry left at 8 (using super idol or not) Tai, Julia, Jason, and Scot could figure it out from there and Tai likely gets to the final 3 at least ahead of Julia and certainly has a better chance to beat Jason and Scot over Aubry and Michele.
@@vaporterra I kinda doubt that Tai makes it to the end in that scenario. I feel like Jaison and Scot would have eventually realized they would have no chance of beating Tai in the end, and probably would have cut him loose around the final 5 and taken someone they thought they could beat like...probably Julia or Michelle.
Tony convincing Woo to take him to the final 2 in Cagayan should be on this list. Maybe even #1.
Natalie's move against Erik is soooo underrated. Heck I doubt Foa Foa would've gotten the momentum had she not done that. Russell just panicked the whole time and wasted his idol. He was lucky enough to find an idol afterwards. I credit him for flipping John over, but that's it.
+BladeBlurX I thought you were talking about Natalie and Erik from Micronesia at first.
It was actually Jaison who came up with the plan to oust Eric.
+Jack Jansen Yea nobody gives Jaison credit. However you also have to give Russell credit for blindsiding Kelly and flipping Shamboo and John to his side. Those moves were also necessary for foa Foa's success. Actually Erik and Kelly's blindsides were the two key moves that lead to Foa Foa's success.
+BladeBlurX Well, she was credited for it in the form of $1,000,000
+BladeBlurX you have us 8 to 4. What difference does one person make? Paraphrasing, yes, but that's how you tip the first domino. Natalie White. Not a coattail rider.
I'm so incredulously glad that you put the Penner/Lisa conversation on there, as not only as it one of my favorite scenes in the entirety of the show, but I also think it shows how underrated Penner is. While he sure as hell isn't on the same level as Cirie Fields or Kim Spradlin, he still understands people and the game of Survivor so incredibly well on a conceptual level, and the majority of his issues come from his actual execution.
Unpopular opinion: Vytas was much better socially pre-swap than he was post-swap and pre-merge. He didn't have to do much of anything once he was on a tribe with Tina and Katie, as the three of them had a pre-game alliance with Aras. Kat and Laura B had no shot of surviving on that swapped tribe.
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Cirie came up with basically all of the Black Widdow Alliance's best ideas, and then when it came down to persuasion Cirie did it cause she was the best (Amanda's amazing too though)
ChaoSloth I actually felt bad for Cirie because she is the one who came up with the ideas and plan the blindsides but everything was credited to Parvati. It was her who planned on Ozzy's blindside. She talk Alexis and Natalie in to it. All Parv did was flip her vote. And also the one who come up with Erik giving up his immunity necklace. It anything Parv have nothing to do with the Erik blindside at all. Cirie is the one who planned it all and then she had Amanda convince Erik to take her to reward and send Parv to exile to get Natalie mad and have Erik feeling guilty, and then finally she told Natalie to convince Erik to give up the necklace as redemption. Yau-man and Joel blindside is also because of Cirie and yet nothing was credited to her. The production credited everything to Parvati.
Damien Without Parvati, Cirie couldn’t have made any of those moves.
⭐️ GUANLIN / EXO / ZTAO ⭐️ Also it’s been said that Parvati was the one who came up with the idea of blindsiding Ozzy. I guess they edited it to make her the swing vote instead to create more suspense? Cirie gets credit for the Erik boot, but Parvati had more impact the whole season according to the jury.
Good list.
One that you forgot, from HvV, Russel Hantz telling Tyson that he is done with Parv, and that he is gonna vote for her ... That changed the whole game, and the fact that a player like Tyson could believe that , says something..
Tyson said himself that Russell talking to him didn't affect his vote at all but whatever m.hitfix.com/blogs/the-fien-print/posts/hitfix-interview-tyson-apostol-explains-his-survivor-heroes-vs-villains-vote
+1seulgi That explanation makes absolutely no sense. Russell duped Tyson but he is too embarrassed or too proud to admit it...
+manniman82 Russell is by far the worst player. Going into HvV no one knew who he was because Somoa hadn't even aired yet so he had a huge advantage already going into the game yet he still somehow screwed it up. He unnecessarily pissed off jury members which ensured him to have no votes (DANIELLE, coach, Candace). Russell probably couldn't even dupe a piece of bread if gave him 20 minutes and instructions.
That was one of the greatest moves for sure, because Boston Rob was going to win that season
+peach worse than Wanda and Wendy?
Why was Penner's talk to Lisa there? It wasn't even her that ended up flipping, it was Skupin. All his talks with her were pointless, because she never actually voted the same as him. I'm pretty sure she voted for Penner three times as well.
Eager Turtle
Because of the result it shows- he established such a rapport with her that when given the chance, she wanted to work with him and Carter over Malcolm and Denise, and they offered him that deal. If he'd taken it, he easily could have won the season.
But he didn't take the deal. And she chose Penner and Carter because she liked carter just as much. And she had targeted Malcolm openly at the f10 so she probably was hesitant to work with him. I understand that he put a lot of work in to Lisa, but I don't think you can call it a great social play when it didn't work.
I would have added Natalie and Sandra convincing Russell they would never win while being more socially liked than him by the jury. Also could have chosen Parvati bringing in Natalie and Alexis for her alliance. It put her in a great position where she had strong connections to everybody at the merge apart from Eliza and Jason.
I still like watching these kinds of video and love the discussion they allow on Survivor, as it is one of my favorite shows. Keep up the good work!
Eager Turtle oh no, that move worked and here's why. When Skupin asked Lisa who she trusted more between Malcolm and Penner, she said Penner and it was because of that conversation. Had she not said him, he would have been voted out that night. He may have been voted out later, but still the opportunity for that deal came up, even though he didn't take it, he made it to the point where it was offered to him.
Skupin made it clear in that episode that he wasn't moving without Lisa. So I'm pretty sure that Skupin flipped but Lisa didn't because she wanted to flip to Penner's side without looking like a "bad guy" and so she told him to vote with Penner while she voted against him. Otherwise, they would never move independently.
I would guess Lisa stayed with Artis to split the vote but she seemed pretty pro Penner for a bit- shocking for the almost certainly gone dude. The fact that he stayed alive enough to fuck up his own game royally was as amazing as his fuck up was
Cirie was basically the leader of the black widow brigade.
Someone please explain how she was on the heroes tribe.
The Doich her and Candice made no sense
I believe the idea of her being the woman that got off the couch and played, her run in Panama is pretty heroic and she’s one of the saner people in the Kasaya alliance.
Cirie was an underdog who people like Shane and Terry thought they could use. She was on the bottom of Ozzy’s alliance and simply a number to him.
Cirie was much more of a hero than Condescending Colby, Tom who drove Ian to tears; JT who stabbed Taj in the back and let Stephen look like a villain and get racked over the coals, Candace who flipped on the Aitu four so she could be with her high school click Alliance, Stephanie who constantly referred to her tribe mates as losers in both Palau and Guatemala. Oh and despite claims of having heart, she jumped off a log for pizza in an immunity challenge despite being the only Ulong left. Of and she betrayed almost everyone in Ulong as well as several people in Guatemala. And then there’s Sugar, who got the sweetheart edit, but several cast members of Gabon such as Kenny said she acted like an entitled princess. She also said that she just wanted to be on TV.
Cirie is arguably the most heroic of all the heroes, even if she doesn’t fit the “all American” archetype. She may have blindsided people to improve her own position, but never danced on anyone’s grave. She wasn’t holier than thou like Tom and Colby. She had the heart that people often credited Stephanie of having.
Cirie was an underdog who people like Shane and Terry thought they could use. She was on the bottom of Ozzy’s alliance and simply a number to him.
Cirie was much more of a hero than Condescending Colby, Tom who drove Ian to tears; JT who stabbed Taj in the back and let Stephen look like a villain and get racked over the coals, Candace who flipped on the Aitu four so she could be with her high school click Alliance, Stephanie who constantly referred to her tribe mates as losers in both Palau and Guatemala. Oh and despite claims of having heart, she jumped off a log for pizza in an immunity challenge despite being the only Ulong left. Of and she betrayed almost everyone in Ulong as well as several people in Guatemala. And then there’s Sugar, who got the sweetheart edit, but several cast members of Gabon such as Kenny said she acted like an entitled princess. She also said that she just wanted to be on TV.
Cirie is arguably the most heroic of all the heroes, even if she doesn’t fit the “all American” archetype. She may have blindsided people to improve her own position, but never danced on anyone’s grave. She wasn’t holier than thou like Tom and Colby. She had the heart that people often credited Stephanie of having.
OMG, NEVER give up immunity. EVER. that's like rule #1
Right! Does Jeff even ask if they wanna give it anymore?
He still did as recently as South Pacific, because Brandon decided to pull the same move and give immunity to Albert, and it worked as well for him as it did for Erik
@@NYChica23 But Jenna Morasca pulled the move in The Amazon and won so.... And Chris Underwood recently gave up immunity in EoE so..... It's got a 2/4 success rate of winning you the game. Statistically its 50/50
@@jed9739 Jenna was strategic in giving up that immunity, because she knew that by giving it to Heidi instead, that would force Rob's hand to see if he was lying to them or if he was telling the truth about voting for Christy. And Chris did it because he knew he needed a big move to prove he deserved to win EoE, so that was also carefully calculated. On the other hand, Erik had to have known that there was already a female alliance based on all the men getting picked off one by one, so why take any of them at their word? And Brandon just cracked under the pressure with no logical thought behind giving away his immunity
@@NYChica23 Erik still did it strategically as a way to garner faith with the jury. If Jenna was voted off she'd have been lambasted for giving away immunity to Heidi. There's no difference. All 4 of these immunity give aways were done with strategic intent. It's just hindsight shows which one's were correct in doing so. It has a 50/50 success rate and that's fact.
Boston Rob turning Rupert against Tom at F5 so they didn't team up together with Jenna should be here too. Severely underrated social move
Russell convincing Tyson to switch his vote to Parvati in Heroes vs. Villains definitely should’ve been on this list. That was a massive game changing social play.
I really enjoy these videos and the commentary they offer on Survivor! Really is quite interesting looking back at some of these plays. I LOOOVED the strategic plays video equally. But this is what makes or breaks the game (manipulation, getting people on your side) and the human nature involved is rather fascinating :D.
Rob could be a freaking mob boss. He is amazing! He would have won if he had just betrayed Amber. But I guess love can blind even the greatest of strategists.
FutureFamous98 He won a really beautiful wife and 2 million dollars, I would say he is the biggest Survival winner
+FutureFamous98 Amazing? The guy played the game 4 fucking times and couldn't win until he got on a show with all newbies. He's the most overrated player in Survivor history.
Believe it or not, he would have lost to Jenna.
Kevin Luna by that logic do you think Cirie is a terrible player too? The more you play the harder it is to win because your threat level rises. Rob deserved to win all stars. Had he won that he likely would not have came back more than maybe once. I’m not saying he’s number 1 all time but there’s no way you can say he is not top 10 and likely top 5. Plus winning against a newbie cast is actually pretty impressive regarding the large threat level the returnees have and general disdain returnees get.
In terms of recent seasons, Aubry convincing (manipulating) Tai to flip on Scot, and Sarah managing to vote out Sierra but still get her advantage were my favorite social moves. But the Black Widow Brigade vs Erik is LEGENDARY
Seeing Natalie White's blindside on Erik here gives me so much joy. One of the greatest moves of all time tbh. And better than anything Russell did that entire season.
“who would believe that?”
*cuts to erik fully believing that😂😂😂
What about Trish convincing Kass to flip in Cagayan
3:00 Brendan becoming obsessed with JT in the span of one afternoon is one of the FUNNIEST parts of tocantins imo
“we just think it’d be a huge pivotal move for you” ya Erik, it sure will...
Amanda always looks constipated lol
Vytas was amazing for those two episodes. I really hope he gets voted into Second Chance!
cdmnumber3fan same! After watching this and remembering how good he was, I'm so hoping he is one of the guys who comes back.
Gabby Cario I remember laughing out loud at both of those tribals, just seeing how masterful Vytas was at pulling them in. It was awesome, and I have a lot of confidence that Jeff will call his name in just eight nights for S31 :)
cdmnumber3fan HE GOT VOTED IN
cdmnumber3fan I wasn't a big fan of the first BvW so I didn't remember a whole lot about it. So when I saw that Vytas was considered for it, I was thinking why? Then I see this video... and there's my answer. He's a dangerous social player.
+cdmnumber3fan He had a pregame alliance with Tina and her daughter through Aras. It was more a combination of Tina's move and Kat vs Monica added to Vytas having an okay social game.
you can add Adam's talk to Jay about his mother on S33
I really don't think that was strategy. I see why one might think it was an effort to build trust to get Jay to play his idol, but I don't think that was Adam's intention.
i also think it wasn't strategy.. it was simply Adam needed to talk to someone about his feeling and he felt that Jay is the one who can relate the most.. it might benefit Adam in term of game play, but i don't think he was playing the game at that exact moment
They were allies early on at millennial beach so they had a relationship long before that scene, edit just didn't show it. But I think Adam is capable of being both genuine and strategic at the same time.
Cochran was only swayed because he refused to draw a rock to determine his fate in the game. I can't believe Jeff praised Cochran's move so much when it was really just a cowardly move that ruined the game for him along with his original tribe.
Dude, did you even watch the season? His tribe was viciously cruel to him. Editing aside, what they showed happened. It's not like when Chaos Cass blew up the game just for the hell of it. Cochran was genuinely distraught, he's feelings were ignored.... It's not a, "bad move", by Cochran in my opinion, it was multiple, "bad moves", by everyone on his tribe who just assumed he would stay with them.
Frankly; when Ozzy tricked Cochran into holding the chicken so it's shit on him when he killed it, I f'ing lost any and all respect I might have had for Ozzy. Arrogant bully who got exactly what he deserved.
@@Jacois Exactly, plus, Cochran would've just been out in 6th if he just stayed with Savaii. So glad he flipped on those turds. One of the worst tribes in Survivor history.
Hi my name is Stormy and I'm addicted to Survivor. Lol
Yeah so?
Hahahha the way they all went along with the buddy system! All pawns in robs game. Amazing
That last shot with the ladies waving goodbye to Erik bwahahaha
Colby's fake quit in Heroes Villains is a decent one where James goes home.
+Whisperingsofwar They did vote james because of his leg, nothing to do with the fake quit. If James were fine, colby would have gone home without any doubt.
+TimelineUpdates he lasted further than every tribemate, all nine of them, there is a reason for that. He is a good social player and was too hard on himself for that season and so too the fans.
maybe but I was just debating your comment saying that his fakout or whatever made him stay .. that did absolutely nothing, and after that things got complicated with the merge, and the people who left the game were chosen by the villains .. again nothing to do wiith colby he was a spectator in that season
If Island of the Idols was aired before this vid was made, Tommy Sheehan’s entire game would be on this
boston rob tricking rupert and big tom into fighting should be on here
Such an awesome list. So cool to look back on these plays, it's funny cause there is so many other plays that could be on it but I like all the ones included
I think no. 10 was just as much strategic than social. I really like number 9.
My favourite social play was when Denise was not picked to go on a reward with Skupin in the Phillipines. Skupin took Malcolm and Lisa leaving Denise alone at camp with her biggest enemy Abi. Those rewards are designed to piss off losers and make them flip on their alliances, but Denise kept her cool, kept her alliance and won the game a week later. Most people would have gotten angry and done something stupid, but not denise who for my money might be the best player of all time.
+Jim Beam I think no. 10 is a social move in the sense that Natalie was able to get Jon and Jaclyn to fall for her story, rather than being about her vote for Alec itself (which was a great strategic move).
ik some people don’t like coach but I literally love the guy
Oh my Gosh, the Black Widow. Cirie is the Smooth Operator, the water colored acid, the flowery poison, the odorless killer gas, she is the wolf in a sheep wool, she smiles like a baby and bites like a cobra. She shows you her card, if you tell her yours is better she doesn't oppose you, no hint, no flinch, leaves you convinced she is on your side but you are already dead for not taking her's. She conforms like water and then rams like a Rhino.
Lam rof poetry and accurate
Where was Russ Hantz' strategy for Tyson to vote HIMSELF out???
I still can't believe Erik fell for that.
I love all the social plays on here. Nothing better than these.
robs buddy system was brilliant , it’s crazy to see how in control he was of his tribe from start to finish . he played like a mob boss lol
Cirie is so underrated
Bri Rudge underrated, everyone considers her one of the top 10 greatest survivor players, if not top 5
By super fans, yes! Unfortunately a lot of casual fans are blind to her genius
Bri Rudge Because most casual fans never say her play, or only saw her in Heroes V.s Villains.
OVERRATED... she would keep Erik and win the whole game
Miguel S The only way that could have happened is if she convinced Natalie and Erik to sway with her to take out powerhouse Parvati and her sidekick Amanda. This could've been done in the final 6 or 5. Keep in mind going against Parv and Amanda could have cost Cirie both their votes if she went with Erik or Natalie in the end. Very good thinking, most fans would say 'oh if there was just a final 3 of Cirie, Parv, and Amanda, she would have won." which is what i always thought.
Erik was hard to watch back then and now. Any move where you give up idols is crazy!! Survivor is the best at game play!!! Boston Rob hands down is my favorite!!! He was so cheated in All stars, he deserved to win that game. I'm glad he got to come back and show how a champ wins a game😊
At some point on this list should be Tony manipulating Woo to take him to final 2
Jaclyn belike: *DiD aLeC vOtE fOr HiMseLf?*
Cirie is just the master in words. She's really the best player to have never win. She was robbed in GC.
Fun fact about #1 a few days prior to him being voted off Erik was found taking food from the producers tent along with James and 1 other person they then went home all 3 in a row
nat from micronesia needs to come back
I think this video should be titled "My favorite Survivor boots/ moments" ..
You cannot make a top 10 "Social" plays without having Denise Stapley.. Most of those picks are actually strategic boots .. not social plays..
***** You can't really put a lot of the best social players on this list because they don't have signature moves. Take someone like Denise and you can see that her game involves countless of offscreen moments in which she develops strong relationships with people. Yes, you could put her in the top 10 social players, but not in the top 10 social plays.
s watson Yea agree.. looking back.. Denise infiltrated so many alliances.. but there were no stand out moments..
***** Also Sandra, she relied on plays like these so since she sucks at challenges. I wish they included the one where she convinced Russell that Coach was after him.
The amazing social players rarely get camera time. Take Sierra from WA for example. She got barely any confessionals yet in all the post game interviews everyone said how well she was playing.
Didn't Vytas mainly stick around because Tina had an alliance with Aras? I think the edit gave him the credit but it was mostly her doing, she very smoothly threw Kat under the bus without getting any blowback
Vytas survived Galang not because of his social plays but because he lucked out with the foolishness of Monica over-strategizing, Kat casually mentioning how great it would be to get rid of Monica, and Laura telling him he was going to be eliminated without consent.
Another one is Sandra convincing Russell to vote off Coach in HvV
Tony convincing Woo to take him to the end instead of Kass
"i might be the dragon slayer now..." LOL i still dont know how much dragon he slayed in the past
Just Brendan! Lol
Never be apologetic about putting Natalie White on the list, only about not putting her higher.
Anyone else notice that there's 2 moves where there's a Natalie against an Eric
If only Darrah had agreed to take Lill to the end which we all saw was a good idea anyway, she probably would have won and Sandra would not have. Amazing
rob is such of good player but in survivor beeing good or best is simply not enugh becuase this game is depend on a lot of luck and switched tribed. becuese somtimes the changes in the game can and will bring to a player vote out. for example ih HvV if tyson wasnt so fear of parvati join to the heroes side when the merge heppend russell simply vote out.
chagai terem and lex sucks becuese it is just a game but becuese a million dolar involed people get super angry and bitter for loosing
chagai terem This comment made me cringe.
+chagai terem Rob is one of the best players but not the best. He is very overrated. Yea he controlled everyone in redemption island, but the people he controlled were morons who worshiped him and didn't mind losing to him.
+chagai terem When the winner gets a million dollars, it's not just a game....
+Kevin Luna People like Lex don't understand that you are supposed to lie, steal and cheat to win. You can't play honorably and expect to win, but Lex and many others refuse to do those things so they will never win. This is a game not reality. Just because u behave a certain way in the game does not make u that person in real life. Lex is bitter baby. He needs to understand that u need to lie, steal and cheat to win.
LOL...so fun to watch and listen to Coach...Das Dragon Slayer.....what a tool......Hilarious
Lill actually pulled the same trick Fairplay pulled to save herself from being the obvious 50ish woman first boot by setting up Nicole and Tijuana
I think Natalie's blindside of erik was awesome
I dont know why everyone thinks Cirie would have won in season 16 if it was a final 3. I think Amanda would have won. All those who voted for Parvati would have split with their votes between her and Cirie while Amanda would still have gotten the votes of Ozzy, James and Erik
Most people rather she would of won
Amanda gets Ozzy, James, and Erik. Parvati probably gets Natalie. There's no reason why Cirie couldn't get votes from Alexis, Jason, and Eliza, and she could still get Natalie or if it is 3-3-1 and Natalie has to decide in a revote, Cirie can win that too. Her social game is great and enough people respect her strategic game.
I see what you're saying but I think Erik said somewhere that he would have voted for Cirie in a final three situation. I definitely think you're right about Ozzy and James staying with Amanda though. I could see Natalie still sticking with Parvati (although I think Cirie would possibly be able to sway her, especially because the two of them were both key figures in the Erik blindside and probably bonded over that), but I would be surprised if Eliza stayed with Parvati still. When it's all finished, I think Cirie would have Eliza's, Jason's, Erik's, Alexis's and possibly Natalie's vote as well.
It's a shame because Amanda is really good at the game itself but she just can't seem to figure out how to finish strong when it matters most.
Erik: “everyone thinks im dumb”
I wonder why
12:22 "Lex move it out" -Jeff
coach should have won.
Posted in Valentine's day, for the singles.
Vytas and Hayden are two of the most underrated players in history vytas was so robbed in both his seasons
Vytas sucked in his second season and blew it in his first.
Hayden yes, Vytas no
Galu voting out Erik still makes no sense. They could have done a vote split (they had 8 vs 4) between Russell and perhaps Mick, although maybe Shambo would have flipped. By voting off Erik they eliminated their ability to vote split, it cost them one tribal later when Kelly went home. All they needed was one Foa Foa to go and then if they want to blindside Erik they can.
Just because Natalie White convinced people to vote out a player in Samoa doesn’t make her a deserving winner. It’s her only only move and it wasn’t even her idea it was Jaison. Natalie’s still a goat.
Pity there is no Sandra the greatest in this.
wow, erik, wowowow
This list forgot Kim Spradlin.
penner, natalie, vtas, aubrey, cirie
Coach did rock South Pacific though
The buddy system 🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮 my god these smitten sissies were an embarrassment
CharlieConwayFTW Too me, that season is worse than Nicaragua
#1 Tony gets Woo to bring him to final 2
Wow Erik.......
Natalie needs to return, she was a fighter and the viewers ejoyed her
Her Jury speech was also comedy gold. Well, unintentional comedic gold.
Tony convincing Woo
Lesson be learned to the young men out there. )( makes you do dumb things in life. Just ask Eric!!! Haha.
Rob was stupid in allstars. Lex kept Amber in, then Rob got Lex out first episode of merge. Had he waited and played it out correctly, Lex wouldn't have been ma and wouldn't have flipped jury votes to get Amber the win.
Please do top 10 physical plays
8/8 m8 for d4t diSS do3 4t 5:02
4:00 lol
JT had a bigger blunder with Russ l the Han a ice cream scooper Erik. You aren't even on a tribe with someone and you give your idol away?
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Jonathan Penner isn't a good social player his hated for ALL THE COOK ISLAND JURY i mean basically all the top 13
Vytas become the first boot of Second Chance
Fairplay was not too much social, he's more a strategical threat than a social threat
Cochran was DESPERATE he's at the bottom, Coach just stay and talks a little bit with him and its done, not too much
Rob is a good social player, but the "keep Amber" thing was not too much, theres a lot of things that can be showed
Some player should be there like Trish, Amber, Todd, PARVATI, Kim, Kara, Michele from Kaoh Rong, Matty from Gabon, Michelle from Fiji, Sandra, Colleen, Tom from Palau, Tommy from ioi, Victoria from eoe, Danni, Missy from sjds...
Boston Rob is the greatest survivor of all time. Lol
Cirie should take Amanda out and then she would win the season
Amanda was probably the easiest out of her, Parvati, and Natalie for Cirie to beat. But Cirie would crush any of them at FTC. That's the problem though, and that's why she was voted out right before them.
To the guys; ever been in a situation with a girl, and she just won't shut the fuck up, and she's making ridiculous claims? How she dismisses EVERY attempt you make at logic, and continually just verbally attacks, attacks, attacks, and guilt trips you until you're either SO gas lit you beg for forgiveness for something you haven't done, or you just have to walk away from the f'ing situation before you punch her?
That's why Eric gave up immunity.
Penner bullying Lisa was simply gross.
+Cj Zeegs You have an interesting interpretation of what bullying is.
He was being comforting to her, trying to emphasize with her. She was crying because she was so happy at being understood by someone.