Recent evidence shows that the Myceneans did not invade and destroy the Minoan civilisation. They merged into it and slowly became dominant by first trading and living there. At the time of the Griffin warrior (1450 BC) the Minoans were still masters of their own land. Their demise came slowly over the next century.
The carving on the seal has a beautiful 3 dimensional quality as well as being amazingly detailed for such a small piece , it must have been created by someone extremely special. I believe it would have been a commemorative gift recalling a great battle that the warrior led or a specific contest where he beat the opposing champions which then stopped an all out war.
That would be amazing, but he lived at the wrong time. If Achilles ever existed, he was operating during the Trojan War, which is typically dates to around 1200 to 1180 BC. Whereas the Griffin warrior was buried around 1450 BC, so almost 3 centuries earlier.
@@SporeMurph The Trojan War might have taken place almost five centuries before the current "official" estimation. This subject is still under research. Don't be so sure about that. Same goes for Homer, who is believed to have lived even back to 1100 - 1000 BC.
My thoughts. The Griffin Warrior sword has inscribed less quality art work And is buried level with him it is his sword and my thoughts was inscribed by a less quality artisan. Then the gifts are from a procession of people paying homage One bull equals one state, Two are Pylos and Mycenaean Greek Three are Crete and Plylos and Mycenaean. The vanquished on the agate are from the North Like ancestors of the Spartans.
Mayby it is true, that the griffen warrior, is the key to a story, about where the western world really began, and this was not in Greece. You all use a name, King Minos from Crete, but at the time with the griffen worrier, king Minos was not born yet, but it is at the same time as the Mykenai period, there lasted about 200 years, a time with worshipping the heros, and their kings were buried in gold. A great collection of all things, of all kind also undereseas, all coming from Crete, ecept few things from Egypt. Almost as all the craftmen on Crete, saw their homes burned to the ground, and the ended in slavery in Greece, to mass production. From Crete came also, Zeus to Greece. And It all took speed, after the battel at Troja, there was about the trading, beginning in the eastern Middelterrian. It was in the year 1193 bc. Hereafter is it the Fonikies, ducking up. One of their kings, brought the letter, word, writing to Grece. It was his daughter Europa, Zeus kidnaped in shape of a bull, and brought her to Crete, where she gave birth to king Minor.
Τhe fall of Minoan Crete wasn't a result of an invasion . It came after the catastrophic eruption of Thera (Santorini) volcano and series of very strong devastating earthquakes .The Mycenean Greeks took peacefully the control of the Island .
interesting story, but not extraordinary. if you take a visit to museums round the world today, you find almost all the artefacts stolen from their place of origin. I wonder why. like how many historical treasures in the smithsonian belongs there?
Despite the propaganda you've heard. Museums don't look to aquire stolen property. In fact they constantly reevaluate how items have came into their possession in the past and look to return any such acquisition that has came to them with a questionable history. There are laws, procedures in place to preserve, protect artifacts... internationally and domestically. Museums play a huge role in preserving and protecting the past from criminals.
the mycenaeans were mainland greeks in the Peloponnese (where this warrior was from), the minoans were a distinct, older civilization that were on Crete
@@whelpapologist it would be more accurate to call Achaeans "Greek speaking mainlanders" than "mainland Greeks". Hellenic ethnogenesis happened later. Archaic/classical Greece etc is actually a mixture of those two bronze age civilizations(Mycenaeans & Minoans)
@@Chrxstos Greek speaking mainlanders are mainland Greeks. Hellenic ethnogenesis happened previously,It 's a fact that lasted thousands of years, and Greek language it's a special branch, according to linguists. Greeks are not a nation , Greeks are an Ethnos.
@@Evagelopoulos862 what an ignorant post! Hellenic ethnogenesis happened centuries after the arrival of the greek speaking Tribes in the area gradually by the mixture of IE greek speaking people with the previous Non-IE Neolithic population Btw nation is literally the English translation of the Word Ethnos
Why is the background music so distractingly awful - and loud? It takes away from the content. It’s become such a common irritant in modern documentary making. Perhaps the producers feel the subject matter won’t be interesting enough so they try to spice it up with, what they consider to be, edgy and exciting music. Well; they’re wrong and it doesn’t!
I share your assumptions, and I believe that such a treasure can only originate from plundering! The tomb in itself is totally unassuming, the man himself was relatively young: he was much beloved so he was privileged enough to bring a cut of his plundering with him in the grave. I could bet he was no prince but just a very popular mercenary. I cannot wait until I m able to read a complete account of the finds,. They say they were outstood by the lack of pottery, they could find only metal objects. What does it mean? no burial feast where his community could live your plates right there? I m almost sure he was a pirate! Please come with more informations about he objects...
Truly one of the most breathtaking pieces of art I have ever seed
Yes
Recent evidence shows that the Myceneans did not invade and destroy the Minoan civilisation. They merged into it and slowly became dominant by first trading and living there. At the time of the Griffin warrior (1450 BC) the Minoans were still masters of their own land. Their demise came slowly over the next century.
Had to go back and check my eyes for the detailing on that seal, simply out of this world on this world, ancient world,,must go look for pics now
Change the title. The warrior was Greek and was not an invader.
Wow! magnificent craftsmanship, sophisticated tools......I couldn't believe it.
This is absolutely magnificent
The carving on the seal has a beautiful 3 dimensional quality as well as being amazingly detailed for such a small piece , it must have been created by someone extremely special. I believe it would have been a commemorative gift recalling a great battle that the warrior led or a specific contest where he beat the opposing champions which then stopped an all out war.
Thanks so much for the video and info.
What if the Griffon warrior is Achilles? That would be amazing.
That would be amazing, but he lived at the wrong time. If Achilles ever existed, he was operating during the Trojan War, which is typically dates to around 1200 to 1180 BC. Whereas the Griffin warrior was buried around 1450 BC, so almost 3 centuries earlier.
@@SporeMurph The Trojan War might have taken place almost five centuries before the current "official" estimation. This subject is still under research. Don't be so sure about that. Same goes for Homer, who is believed to have lived even back to 1100 - 1000 BC.
@@azwris right. I think the "official" estimation is because of Herodotus but as you say it could ve been earlier
My thoughts.
The Griffin Warrior sword has inscribed less quality art work
And is buried level with him it is his sword and my thoughts was inscribed
by a less quality artisan.
Then the gifts are from a procession of people paying homage
One bull equals one state,
Two are Pylos and Mycenaean Greek
Three are Crete and Plylos and Mycenaean.
The vanquished on the agate are from the North
Like ancestors of the Spartans.
It could be that the people who built the palace of Nestor
Were actually the people the griffin warrior was fighting,
A take over from the north.
oh my god.. Griffith, is that you? wonder if they would find behelit somewhere nearby
Maybe the Warrior liked what was depicted in the stone so much that he became what he saw.
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Bent arm & leg bones suggest great strength? Can someone explain that point?
Mayby it is true, that the griffen warrior, is the key to a story, about where the western world really began, and this was not in Greece. You all use a name, King Minos from Crete, but at the time with the griffen worrier, king Minos was not born yet, but it is at the same time as the Mykenai period, there lasted about 200 years, a time with worshipping the heros, and their kings were buried in gold. A great collection of all things, of all kind also undereseas, all coming from Crete, ecept few things from Egypt. Almost as all the craftmen on Crete, saw their homes burned to the ground, and the ended in slavery in Greece, to mass production. From Crete came also, Zeus to Greece. And It all took speed, after the battel at Troja, there was about the trading, beginning in the eastern Middelterrian. It was in the year 1193 bc. Hereafter is it the Fonikies, ducking up. One of their kings, brought the letter, word, writing to Grece. It was his daughter Europa, Zeus kidnaped in shape of a bull, and brought her to Crete, where she gave birth to king Minor.
Τhe fall of Minoan Crete wasn't a result of an invasion . It came after the catastrophic eruption of Thera (Santorini) volcano and series of very strong devastating earthquakes .The Mycenean Greeks took peacefully the control of the Island .
Yes Ken Griffin did steal our National Treasure
*and is trying to leave our island in ruins
interesting story, but not extraordinary. if you take a visit to museums round the world today, you find almost all the artefacts stolen from their place of origin. I wonder why. like how many historical treasures in the smithsonian belongs there?
Despite the propaganda you've heard. Museums don't look to aquire stolen property. In fact they constantly reevaluate how items have came into their possession in the past and look to return any such acquisition that has came to them with a questionable history. There are laws, procedures in place to preserve, protect artifacts... internationally and domestically. Museums play a huge role in preserving and protecting the past from criminals.
@@arikkraft5755 British thiev... museum liked your post
Confused, are you saying it Greek or Crete?
the mycenaeans were mainland greeks in the Peloponnese (where this warrior was from), the minoans were a distinct, older civilization that were on Crete
@@whelpapologist it would be more accurate to call Achaeans "Greek speaking mainlanders" than "mainland Greeks".
Hellenic ethnogenesis happened later.
Archaic/classical Greece etc is actually a mixture of those two bronze age civilizations(Mycenaeans & Minoans)
@@Chrxstos
Greek speaking mainlanders are mainland Greeks.
Hellenic ethnogenesis happened previously,It 's a fact that lasted thousands of years, and Greek language it's a special branch, according to linguists.
Greeks are not a nation , Greeks are an Ethnos.
@@Evagelopoulos862 what an ignorant post!
Hellenic ethnogenesis happened centuries after the arrival of the greek speaking Tribes in the area gradually by the mixture of IE greek speaking people with the previous Non-IE Neolithic population
Btw nation is literally the English translation of the Word Ethnos
@@Chrxstos The ignorant is you.
You don't know what ethnogenesis mean,you don't know what the difference of Ethnos and Nation.
hmmm?
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μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ
Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος
Sing of the Wrath Goddess
Of Peleus' son Achilles
Well like he could have been a Minoan that got exiled and came back w revenge
Why is the background music so distractingly awful - and loud? It takes away from the content. It’s become such a common irritant in modern documentary making. Perhaps the producers feel the subject matter won’t be interesting enough so they try to spice it up with, what they consider to be, edgy and exciting music. Well; they’re wrong and it doesn’t!
I share your assumptions, and I believe that such a treasure can only originate from plundering! The tomb in itself is totally unassuming, the man himself was relatively young: he was much beloved so he was privileged enough to bring a cut of his plundering with him in the grave. I could bet he was no prince but just a very popular mercenary. I cannot wait until I m able to read a complete account of the finds,.
They say they were outstood by the lack of pottery, they could find only metal objects. What does it mean? no burial feast where his community could live your plates right there? I m almost sure he was a pirate! Please come with more informations about he objects...
Or that the dinastic house of Pylos was from Crete
Was this man the real Medusa?
Laser etched
Divine artistry!